43 - KERVIN AUCOIN - GEOPOLITICAL INTELLIGENCE EXPERT

0:01 You are listening to a fonts media network, but. Like you just let me in my ways. Welcome home to the Blaze listeners. I'm excited to have Curvin. Sorry, I'm just gonna mispronounce it. Can you just pronounce it yourself? We keep going over that, Curvin O quick? All right, Curvin, Sorry to do that to you, but yeah. We could stick with first names. I'm good with that. Uh my my first my last name has gotten me in and out of trouble for for many years.

0:41 So you and I were kind of introduced through John and another podcaster, and he's he's been around a while, but yeah, we got a little chat on next He's like, hey, you guys should actually get together and do an episode. So definitely wanted to thank him for that, and then I I started listening a little bit more to yours. Actually it was funny is I came across your podcast before that interaction on X and listen to you and your wife, and I thought it was interesting on how you're able to take so much information and kind of like just explain it in a way that people can grasp, you know, while not trying to be too over the top or you seem to be in the middle on most things. I noticed. You know, I'm not going to ask your political leaning so much. If you want to give it to me, great, But I do like I try to take a neutral position to really just explain what's going on then you know, letting people form their own opinions. So I really liked that. I thought that was cool because there's very few of those type of shows.

1:42 I tried doing that in the beginning, but it got harder as time went on for me. Anyway, Well, the world makes it harder right to kind of try to stay neutral. But first of all, I want to say thank you for that, because that's the hope that I have that comes through and I get back last on both sides of the political isles. I'm not a very political person. I used to be when I was younger, and then I got disillusion to it, became very a political and started to do this sort of neutral thing that you're talking about, where something happens right in a certain side. I know, we'll get into Israel and the Middle East and what's going on there, and that's really highlighted this kind of divisiveness. Right, So if somebody says something about Israel in a positive aspect, and I push back in a negative not really a negative aspect, but just saying, well, to understand what the people in Gods or the people in Lebanon are going through right now. You know, they'll say, oh, you're you know, a left wing Hamas supporter, and then the same thing for Palestinian supporters. I will push back and say, well, Israel's the only Jewish nation, Jewish state, surrounded by Arab states that have been calling for the entire destruction of the Jewish people. I think they have a right to defend themselves, and so what they're doing, maybe they're carrying it out in the wrong way, but they have a right to do what they're doing. And then I get, you know, pushed back on on both sides of that.

3:09 It's tough. Well, that's that's that's a particular topic. We're too hard to be neutral because there's such and we're talking about a land with so much history, I mean history in regard to you know, everybody argues that it's their land number one, no matter how far back to go, And a lot of people dismissed the fact that there were multiple people's displaced in that land and dispersed throughout the world and forced to do so, and then coming back to try to claim it again, and then it's there's just so much going on. Then from what I understand, I'm not and you can definitely correct me on this is it seems like a lot of it outside of the land is really centered around a faith or religious belief, and in the in the issue that I see is it's such a closely related belief, but there's always those little differences that just for some reason just lead to so much bloodshed and it almost makes you scratch or hit us and like, why can't they just shake hands and really get along? But I think it goes beyond that.

4:09 It's really about the claim to the land and the fact that hey, you killed my ancestor, my grandfather, whatever, and then the revenge cycle just began and just never ended and kept going and going and going. And I might be slightly off on that, but. Now you're you're absolutely right. And it's and also we're talking about history, right, We're talking about ancient history, and so what ancient history do you actually believe? Because there is so much we know so little about our ancestors and the ancestral history. So do you trust biblical history? You know where Abraham started all of this. You know, he came from Er, which is a city south of Baghdad. You know, I deployed to Baghdad. If you take a plane and fly a mission around that area, you will see Er, one of the original settlements in the area. You and Abraham was supposed to have walked from there and entered what was then.

5:06 You know, the people not even called the Jewish people of that time, but the tribes of Judah entered into Israel and they were told that God gave them this land. We're talking thousands of years ago and then more recently. And I say more recently, but we're still talking about a thousand years ago to fifteen hundred years ago. You've got a man in Mohammad who was a was a prophet or claimed to be a prophet, depending on how you and I always say it's depending on how you interpret the history. So he claimed to be a prophet, and by force he came in and claimed these lands for his own people. It's the people, the people of the Arab lands, and he claimed these lands. And so what you know, when people say, well, this is the land of the Palestinians or this is the land of the Israelis. How far are we going to go back?

5:59 Right? That's always been kind of my take and stance on that. And I'll throw I'll throw them out there, and it says, you know, and I don't mind bringing up certain other personalities and podcasters only because some of these guys are very public and they're very openated. But you know, you take Dave Smith for example, who I do listen to and I respect because he's a pretty smart, intelligent person. He does read books, which is great, but it's a pretty hard line about you know, it's not Israel's land never you know, they were not there, and you know it was really Palestinian land, and you can't just drive them out and claim that you now have claimed to this land. And I get it, but I think I think even with him, and the problem with someone like Dave is he's super intelligent, but he'll never stop arguing until he feels he's right or he's bored of the conversation literally, and so he can go forever trying to argue that point. But I think when he makes a point, he deliberately omits that it was a tribal land that did belong to the then Jewish people at the time who were displaced. And you can say, hey, the land was conquered. Great, if we use that argument, then conquerors own and rule that land, just as we did in America here with the Native Americans, you know. And unfortunately, every country in the world has been developed and made and borders have been set based on being conquered. That that was just a bloody history of humanity, and that is exactly what happens, is just how the world was shaped, unfortunately.

7:22 And the thing with the Jewish people from what I understand, from what I researched, and like again you can correct me, is they were displaced back then, you know, I mean, come on, the Ottoman Empire came in. They ruled most of the world back then, and they helped drive the Jews out. And at the time, the Palestines before they're considered Palestine, sided with the Ottoman Empire so that they can remain in the land and live in the land and support the Ottoman Empire. What do you think the native tribal Jewish people were going to do? Just forget about it, and they never did. And so there's that part of that history that nobody really talks about. Yeah. I mean, look, the Jewish people have been conquered their entire lifetime. Yes, right, the Egyptians brought them in, and we're learning more about that history because there was a brief time where historians thought, well, no, that wasn't Jewish people that the Egyptians brought in to Egypt to work and do certain things. And now we're finding out through certain tablets that have been and scrolls that have been found, that the words that they were using for the people that they brought in were the same words that were used for Jewish people throughout throughout history. And listen, the Romans.

8:36 You know the Jewish people. Yes, it's a very tribal religion, but the tribes were there in Israel when Rome had their empire and they taxed the Jewish people, and it's written record. I mean, you can debate history in ancient history, but we have written record of the Jewish people living on that land being controlled by the Romans. Like you said, you're exactly right. The Ottoman Empire came in, they laid waste to that land. People had to either leave or surrender. Jewish people said they would not surrender. They left, and the Palestinian what are now the Palestinians or where the Palestinians then sort of broke her to deal and said, if we can just get this sort of land carved out right here, there's not really much in it, we'll stay here and we'll abide by your rules, which is really what the Jewish people said to the Romans. We'll abide by your rules, pay your taxes, and then you know, that'll be it. Then the Roman Empire started to put the fist down on the Jewish people. They had uprisings in the early first century, went to war with the Romans, and the Romans thought they could defeat them very easily, and the Israelis were able to push back on them. Now, the Palestinians didn't have to do that because they just understood, Hey, the Ottomans are going to let us live here and we're going to remain here. Now, if you want to go more recent history, and we talk about, you know, after World War two and the Holocaust, which was such

10:10 a tragedy, and I want to put that out from the very beginning. What happened in the Holocaust and what is factually documented that US and British soldiers found as they got into the concentration camps was absolutely horrific, and millions of people died in World War Two. And so they understood that the Jewish people needed, they needed a place. They didn't want to go back to Europe. They didn't want to go back to their homes because there was still a large part of society that didn't want them there. You know, they were they were indoctrinated to hate these people for their religion, for where they came from. And so nations got together and decided, you know, apart from everyone else, right, they just said, hey, let's put these people back into what we think is the land that they deserve. They were put in that land, and immediately the Arab nations went to war with Israel because they didn't want the Jewish people there. And that I don't think that's something that gets highlighted a lot, especially among like pro Palestinian crowd, is that the Jewish people went there and they said, hey, we're going to live in this land, and we're just this is where we're going to be settled. They put us here, they were invaded.

11:30 They went to war with places like Egypt and Lebanon and Syria, and they won those wars. And when you went to war, you get to decide what you're going to do, so they kept that land. Then the Palestinian question came up, what are we going to do with all these Palestinians because they don't want to be ruled by the Jewish people, so they need. Their own rule, their Arab rule. So the Palestinian people got their own government up, their own military. A two state solution was brought up. The Israelis agreed to the two state solution. The Palestinians and the other Arab nations said no, we want all of that land because it's our land. And so another war kicked off, and so we just have a cycle of wars.

12:15 And it's not just that one side won't agree with the other side, it's the israel The Israelis were put there, where do you want them to go? The Palestinians say, we've been here, where are you going to put us? And so now we have a land of just people going where are you going to put us? And I think if you just took the people and put them together and ask them, you know, do a little to do a meeting with everybody and say, hey, what do you guys think we'd probably find a solution. Our problem is we have governments who just don't like each other and don't care about the people who want to go to war, and they want to put down their fist and make this a complete victory for one side or another.

12:58 And that's what we're seeing right now now with with Israel and Hamas. Right, Israel now has a choice, right because they just killed Yahya Sina Sinhwar. He's the leader of Hamas. Hamas is in shambles. There is a chance if you're a if you're part of the ceasefire, you're pro ceasefire in Palestine, that you can have a ceasefire. And Hamas is completely dismantled right now. That's something a lot of people said would never happen. And they're completely dismantled. And the Israelis could say, okay, let's do the sea. Spire Net Yahoo has just said if you release all the hostages, release all your arms, everything will be fine and we'll have a ceasefire. And the Hamas is saying, we don't trust you, we don't trust the Israel, we don't trust Israel. We don't trust the Jews, and they don't.

13:50 You know, there's the history of not trusting the Israelis for right reasons. You know, they say one thing, some nen Yahoo especially says one thing and does another and and so Israel has a choice do they do. Do they try to broker that deal or do they do the knockout punch and say we'd because they've said their whole goal is the annihilation of Hamas, and so unless Hamas is completely annihilated, every single member is gone, they're not going to agree to a peace deal which is separate from a ceasefire, you know, a full peace deal that kind of sets boundaries. So that that's where we stand right now. And it's just god be a never ending cycle.

14:32 It's the truth of It's kind of an unfortunate truth of the situation because the classic example of how the people suffer because governments disagree. You know, the problem is everybody in the world just wants to live, like literally live, you know, food, shelter, enjoy their life, and governments disagree and they pull everybody in with them. I mean, why can't we just put the leaders of every government in the ring and have them just find it out and then whoever walks out watch out right. I mean, it's ridiculous. I was going to go back to that two state solution though. That does come up a lot, and nobody can understand why it's unacceptable, and it's always put on the Palestinians. Really lately Hamas, who has the governing body so to speak, of the Palestinians, even though unofficial.

15:19 So Egypt has denied a two state solution up until recently. But what I was going to say is it's been said, just to argue the other side, that that agreement originally when it was put together or that proposal was kind of not equal to where I think it was sixty percent of the land or maybe more. I might be off on that. I think it was at least sixty percent really did go to the Jewish people or Israel as it is today, and less of it went to the Palestinian side. And also you know, cut off routes to you know, the access to the ports and everything as well. Yeah, and there's that side, and I can see that, but at the same time, you're correct, and we're like, yeah, no, it's all or nothing, you know, is their response, which is not really negotiating, you know, a deal, and I'm sure that they could have came to an agreement. But do you know, do you happen to know what? Because well I was reading your back when you sent me you were you were in intelligence right in the army. Is that correct? Yep? And so being that that was your career what you did, and you were deployed and you worked with uh special operations, is that also correct?

16:28 Yes? Okay, So what what from your experience just being in the area and dealing with all this and just analyzing everything, and I think today you still are in intelligence correct, and in your own business. So yeah, my my company, Open Analytics is a private intelligence company that provides intelligence to the everyday consumer as opposed to your C suite and Fortune five hundred companies. So I've kind of cheapened, not say cheap, and I've lessened the price of intelligence for people. It's not cheapening this way to tell, it's more accessible. Yeah exactly.

17:09 Yeah, Well, you know, being that's what you do, why why, in your opinion, does I don't know if it's all the person people or just just the governing bodies of the time, why are they denying any kind of deal when it could have been done. Yeah, it's and now it seems too far away for some reason. But at the time I think it could have been done. I think there was a chance. Even so before like October seventh of twenty twenty three changed the entire landscape of the Middle East. Before that, I think there could have been a two state solution. But there's another thing that I say, and then I'll answer that question. We're trying to fix Middle Eastern problems with Western solutions and you.

17:51 Can't do that. That's exactly right. Yeah, we our ideals are very different from their ideals, and no one is right or wrong in that. It's just a certain culture. And and so I'm also an Arabic linguist, or was an Arabic linguist. I'd have to I'd have to think for a second to see how my language is now, but I haven't used it in quite a while. And with that, so I was at the Defense Language Institute learning Arabic. With that, I had to learn the the Arab culture and the religion of Islam, And I learned a lot about the Arab people and and the things that So before Islam even came about the Arab people were some of the smartest individuals in the world. They created mathematics and algebra, things of you know, poetry.

18:44 Some of the great poems are great Arab poems, and so we have that in history of these great minds that focused a lot on this. And then not to disparage religion, and I don't do that. Every religion, I think has its pros and cons But as the religion of Islam you started to become widespread in the region, the leaders in that timeframe started to crack down on more education. And it's it's sort of like when you think of certain aspects of Christianity in history, where the Enlightenment period was kind of they wanted to crack down on it because the more you learn about the world and history and all of this stuff, it's possible that you're going to call out the religious leaders for certain things that they're saying that just don't make sense. And that happened and they lost a lot of their history and a lot of their education because of this. And so starting there, getting into right now, there is a trust issue between first of all the Arab community and the WA but more pervasively the Arab community and Jews.

20:04 And I saw that during my education for Arabic. You know, we'd have to watch news every day in Arabic because you want to immerse yourself in the culture and kind of understand these level three four five dialogues that are going on. And so you watch a lot of even Al Jazeera in Arabic, not the English language version, but the Arabic, the Arab version, or a more conservative, i would say, or far right kind of Arab TV station like Memory Memory TV. It's sort of a far right. It closely aligns with like RT Sputnik TV. And I remember a moment where Egypt there was an earthquake in Egypt and I'm watching I can't remember if it was Al Jazeera or another news organization, but the headline that they kept going with that was that it was the Jews.

20:59 The Jews created this earthquake to destroy parts of Egypt. And so this is major mainstream news in Arab countries that are being that's what's being promoted, and that's what you know, kids are seeing and families are seeing. And there's a history of that and a history of not trusting, not trusting Jewish people, not trusting America because the United States has done some terrible things to Arab communities, especially in the Middle East. Not going to deny that, and so we have a trust issue here. I think we can. Yeah. I always say, you know, I know what I did as far as in my time in uniform and my time working in the Middle East, and I had a lot of issues with what some other people were doing to Arab people just because they were Arab. You know, everybody's a terrorist. We had people coming in saying walking while Arab, and that's why we picked them up. And I was a human collector. I'm an intelligence analyst, and they said I was like, so why'd you get this guy?

22:03 And he was like, he's Arab, He's got to be a terrorist. And it's like, no, that's that's not the right answer. Yeah, no, it wasn't everywhere, but these pockets, right, And so that's where the trust issue comes in. And it's so bad that so if you fly. Into Israel and let's say someone like myself, I have visas and stamps from countries like the uae, Iraq, Kuwait, all the Arab countries I go into Israel, they will first of all, tell me do you have another passport because they don't want to stamp that passport because if an Israeli stamp is on that passport, you're not allowed in another Arab country with that passport, and they will deny you.

22:51 Not allowed in any of them. As far as I know now, the Gulf States and then Saudi Arabia might be a little bit different. But go into a place like Kuwait or Iran, God forbid, at this point, you know you'd be you'd be rolled up and questioned and interrogated. That's not true for for Israel if you go in now. Israel does so something we don't do in the US because it's it's probably rightfully considered racist or you know, sexist or whatever. Is We don't target individuals based on the way that they look. The Israelis do. They will.

23:33 They're heavily profiling individuals. Yes, they so they profile they're with in the UK is CCTV or surveillance cameras and stuff. They are heavily watching people that they know and listen. They're in the culture all the time. So they see a person and they can tell you this person's from Iraq, this person's from Iran or Syria, and and they're they're targeting and profiling these people based just off of what they love, and then they go and question them, and then further dialogue happens whether they'll release them and send them along on their way or they'll send them to secondary questioning. So there's a difference there. I would say Israelis really don't trust the Arab community, really, but there's a little more trust to that. And for all the conversation about Hamas controlling Gaza and that's the government and the military wing of Gaza in Palestine, Israel actually supports a lot of the infrastructure in Gaza. That also causes problems because if you have a trust issue, every rolling blackout is Israel's fault, Every collapsed building is Israel's fault. The fact that no one can work their way up in life and that they're poor, that's Israel's fault. And then on the Israeli side, every time there's an Arab strike, that's the fault to the Arab community. And so that's why I go back to fixing Middle Eastern problems with Western solutions.

25:07 We would see that and go, we'll just stop it, right, you're human, like have a conversation with each other, and they would go no, because when Abraham did this, it started a process, a historical process that got us to where we are today. And we cannot stop that. Yeah, we cannot forget it, and we're not going to let it stand. And the whole thing. There's a lot I want to go back to in that. But when you were when you were talking about how Israel actually supported a lot of the infrastructure in Gaza, You're right. I don't think people realize that, like power, water, and they would always point the Hamas, I believe, would always point the finger, Oh, look, you know we don't have water because they're shutting it off on us, or you know, they're, like you said, killing our electricity. Maybe something that's true.

25:58 It could be what they were using try to control and you know, stifle whatever was going on with Hamas and what they were trying to do in terms of trying to attack Israel. But I'm not gonna I'm not I can't sit here and except that Israel is innocent in all of us, I'm not saying that's what you're saying at all. By the way, I'm just making a statement. I don't I don't believe they're innocent in all of this at all either. And I understand you know, the long history and how they were mad as a people being driven out of land and you know, dispersed, and then you know they were they were persecuted by the Pagrums years years ago and being hunted and literally killed on the street, like basically like you said with profiling, they would see, uh, a Jewish person and literally hang them, hang them in the street, you know, and uh, they've they've gone through a lot, but I think a lot of everyone in the Middle East has has gone through so much because it's like it's just it's just constantly just a crazy circular vehicle of of of seems like just hatred, to be quite honest. And we don't understand it though, like you said, as Westerners, we can't get her head around why like why can't we move past?

27:07 Why can't we why can't we get around I think I think the biggest thing that needs to be defined though, because everybody seems to, at least the western side of the world, seems to equate terrorism with Islam. I would love to know if it can truly be explained the difference between Muslims, you know, people of the Islamic faith because I'm kind of confused in where I see, you know, as a Westerner that you know, a woman can't show herself be full. They closed the whole deal stone of death. Then you see other Muslims where they're just on Instagram and you know, and whatnot, and just yeah, I'm confused. It's like, wait a minute, which is it, do you so? Terrorism? Yeah?

27:48 So, terrorism, I would say, first of all, is not just It's not a Muslim issue or an Arab issue. Right, We've got Eastern European and terrorists. We've got homegrown terrorists in our own country on on the right and the left, so far right and far left, And so I would break it down for a Western audience much like evangelicalism in the United States. What I mean there is you see, so you go if you go to let's say you're in Seattle, Washington, and you go to a church in Seattle, Washington, and you're probably gonna see flip flop shorts, women, maybe not dressed provocatively, but regular, normal, normal dress. Right, if you go to maybe a evangelical church in Missouri or where I'm originally from in Louisiana and especially in the northern Louisiana area, you may see a more a church that's more aligned with purity laws. Pentecostal. You'll see dresses.

28:53 Women can only wear dresses. Men have to wear this this certain thing. So and so that's an stream view of a particular religion, and I think that's what's pervasive in the Muslim religion, the religion of Islam. So when people say, well, Islam is a peaceful religion, and for the most part it is, did it always start that way? If you read the history of Muhammad, it did not. I mean he was he was basically a war lord. I'll get a lot of flag from the Arab community for that because he's the prophet Mohammad, you know, peace be upon him, But he really was. He decided at a very early age that he was going to take over and create this religion, become the prophet, and he went to war with other nations in order to spread Islam.

29:44 And the whole point was in the whole point of jihad, if you hear jihad, which is just holy war, is that Islam is the only religion. So from an extremist point of view, Islam is the only religion that should be allowed and in if that's true, then we have to fight in order to make Islam the only And that's that's why the Muslim you know, Islam very early they fought the Spaniards who were Catholics. They took over Constantinople, made it Istanbul. So they conquered a lot of the area, a lot of that region in order to spread the religion.

30:26 And so that's part of it. Especially so if you're talking about the US, the United States, we talk a lot, especially right now, because you can't talk about Donald Trump and Kamala Harris without talking about being far left woke person or a far right Christian nationalist. And people are very scared about Christian nationalists because they are viewing that in some points rightfully so as what's happening in Islam. Right, So, there is a far right sect of is that's isis, that's al Kaied, the that's that's Hamas and Isbellah and the IRGC, which is the umbrella, that's the peak to the umbrella of all of this. And so it is a select group of extremists that are making the most amount of noise. So I wouldn't say, especially in the United States. And I've met tons of Muslim people within the United States, and no one that I know is an extremist there. And that's usually true because they kind of try to hide, hide in plane site and they probably would not interact with me on most occasions. But for the most part, every Muslim I meet is just a man, woman, or a child trying to make it in America. And so the their view is, yeah, I'm a Muslim, but I am also an American and I'm here to be a part of this community.

31:59 Are you. I think I think most people have a problem separating the fact that they're they're extremes. And you know, we can even just take take the Christian Bible. You'll have you'll have You'll have some denominations of Christianity or or believers for example, that just believe the Old Testament, you know, I for and eye that whole bit. Yeah, and then there's the New Testament believers that are like, hey, you know, that was the past, that was a history that has written. Those are the lass set. But the world changes and here we are now, and this is how we have to move forward as a people. And we're nicer and we're forgiving, right, I think that's the same thing with with Islam. I personally need to do more research on it, and I've always wanted to just I just don't have the time right now, but I really need to dive into it because I want to understand why, why, there's why, there's just you know, all we see is the bat and right away it's like we don't need that here regardless. But then you know, like I've met many people who are Muslim and it's like they don't live that way, that's not their believe Are they reading from the same book? That's my question, you know, like I don't know, I don't know.

33:05 They are reading. So they're reading from the same book, right, the Qoran. But it's all about interpretation. Yeah, and look, Christians read, we're reading from the same Bibles. We because listen, we're in the West. It's the majority Christian reading from the same Bible. Why do we have so many different sects of Christianity because we've all interpreted different ways. You know, the best way to interpret it is to go so there are two ways, not two ways. You've got a couple two things together. When you're reading ancient texts, especially like the Bible, and the Qoran. First, you've got to read it in its own language, and that's very difficult.

33:45 Some of the languages like Aramaic, not many people can can read that. There's very few studiers of Aramic or Greek or or you know, the ancient Hebrew. So you've first got to read it in the langue which of that it was written in. But it's not just that, you've also got to understand the time that it was written in. So when was this written and why was it written at that point. If you don't understand that, you can read a text out of context and say, oh, that's that's really what they mean, and then you understand time. Period is the big context issue though, right. Yeah, and but we go back to we don't we've lost so much of our history over time. Yes, we have, you know, not to bring a Kamala Harris line in, but the passage of time is the passage of time.

34:38 Every year that we are removed from those historical points, we we lose what actually happens, so we lose context of the text that we are reading, you know. It's it's why stoicism right now is so pervasive, is because especially among young men, because I think that, Okay, it's it's language. It's written in a language that some people can can be trained on and understand and read and translate it correctly into English. But those Stoics wrote so much about the history of their time that we understand almost everything about what was going on in that timeframe.

35:22 We've lost bits and pieces, But you talk Marcus Aurelius, we can probably go through his entire lifetime and understand the wars that he was a part of the history of his family because they were very they wrote a lot about it. Now the Hebrew people or the Jewish people did the exact same thing. The problem goes back to being conquered. A lot of the ancient texts were destroyed. Yeah, you've got the look at the Library of Alexandria right in Egypt that was destroyed, that had anything. Who knows it? Yeah, who knows? I mean I think about that sometimes, honestly, when you when when you when you talk about people being conquered over the years, and how the conqueror would suddenly be like, I don't need your history or your bullshit. I'm just wiping it out and it's all about me now and my people and it's like you lose so much, so much, you know, it's it's almost like I can say, I know, I'm getting away from what we're originally discussed. Was kind of I kind of believe, I kind of believe in the fact that, well it's not a fact, but I believe, my opinion anyway, that civilization over time has probably peaked and and has has gone the way of being technologically advanced in different forms and then wiped out and rebuilt over time, because it seems like almost every year, especially recently, it's it's getting they're uncovering more and more of that, like, wait a minute, how did this happen? And then as

36:53 you said, you know, like the Library of Alexandra, you know, how it was like burn done gone. Who knows what was there that could have probably explained a lot of what we're seeing when we're when we're finding these new artifacts and whatnot. I think, I think the abolition of knowledge is horrible, and that's probably one of the worst things you could do in humanity in my opinion, you know, well, outside of torturing and you know, may mean, you know, causing holocausts against you know, fellow man, but still that's one thing that I've always hated and and it really just causes confusion and hatred for no reason, because then we lose understanding and like you said, context. Yeah, and I have gone. Every year I have it, I get closer to the opinion that you know there were ancient there's a first of all, there's ancient civilizations that we've never heard of. I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

37:46 I'm very much, like you said, a moderate intelligence I'm an intelligence analyst. I try to figure out what's going on, but within that, I take information and try to assess what actually happened or what is going to happen. And the more I read about history, there are ancient cultures that we have no idea who they are and what sort of technologies that they have. And I see how we're using technology right now, and I could very much be far off. But I have fun with this. It's something that really helps my mental health a lot because I can research into this stuff and I'm not I'm not married to it, so if I'm wrong, who cares?

38:27 It was just fun to research it. But the more technology we get, the closer we get to wanting to go back to those ancient times, and we see it all the time. I'm on X, you're on X, Instagram, all these things, and every day it's like, why do I even do this? Don't why don't I pick up a book or a newspaper. Let's go back to newspapers, let's let's help go back my wife. All the time, I feel like every year I just keep getting dumber and dumber. Yeah, I mean I used to be very, very studious and just reading and just soaking. I mean I was out a point. I'd be reading a five six hundred page novel whatever, and I'm done in a few hours. And now I fall asleep if I write to read a book, you.

39:09 Know, And there is a huge difference too, because you could read the same amount of words in a day through news articles or posts on Instagram and Twitter. But for the most part, a book, a novel, or a historical text is supposed to be completely researched, backed by editors, true, backed by historical documents, and it's not allowed to be released until every until you're sourced out every single thing. A post on X is just a post on X, and it could be four pages long. Now, if you have a blue check Mark. You can write as many words as you want and it could be the dumbest thing you've ever read. And the problem is a lot of times, and it happens to me as well. If it aligns with your worldview, you're going to keep reading it and it's gonna infuriate you from time to time because you're going to go, I knew that that that's what they were going to be doing. I knew that's what's going to happen. And this guy, this girl, this whatever is saying would I say it? I'm not saying whatever in the context in a negative context. I'm just saying, whoever it is it's posting it that agrees with you.

40:18 You're going to read everything and you're going to go, that person's right. Anybody who's in the comment saying they're wrong, those people are wrong. Well, everybody likes affirmation in their belief They want to be they want to feel that that that what they believe is correct, and they want that reinforcement. And the problem is, now we start creating these echo chambers for ourselves because we feel comfortable in our beliefs. I gotta step back and question myself sometimes, where you know, I just start doom scrolling. You're just like and after a while I'm like, wait a minute, what's the other perspective, what's the other side saying about this? You know, you got to be able to break yourself free. But it was it's funny what you said about about that, because, as you said, you know, books, novels, articles us to be fact check. You couldn't release them until they were they were cited. You knew exactly where the information came from.

41:05 I came across this. It's been said before, but Jay Van I think is Babel or Babel PhD. He put a post out there. I want to read it because this is totally relevant. He's talking about how social media distorts perceptions of normser point one percent of users share eighty percent of fake news, yea, which is a tiny portion of bad actors. You saw that, right, Yeah, and it has this whole article. I didn't go into the whole thing yet, but it's it's so true. It's a tiny percent is just viewing all the nonsensical bullshit. And the thing is with social media, like, let me get back to civilization real quick, because it's going to tie into what I'm trying to say The point I'm trying to tick across is that I feel for advance as we are now, I don't think we're as advance as we've ever been. And I'm not sure if that makes any sense to you. But you know, just because we have an iPhone doesn't mean we're you know, far in a way from where we could have actually possibly been as a species. Absolutely, And the thing that I see with social media is it's nice. I'm just social media.

42:13 Let's just say, just having the World Wide Web at your fingertips is all about access. But the problem is you can't. It's hard to filter true information versus false information, or information that might not be completely false but done in a way to guide you and manipulate you to fall on either side of the aisle, so to speak. And I think that's a big issue, and it's really hard to especially these days, it's so hard to decipher what is right what is wrong. I always say sometimes on my show, to be quite honest, is you know, I usually like to give all the facts and say here's where I got it from. But there's times where I'm like, you know, what, do your own research If you don't believe that what I'm saying is correct, and prove me wrong. Go find it, you know, because I think it's important for people to start to be that type of person where you start to question, go, hold on, is this guy saying the truth or is he just speaking out of his ass here? And I think everybody should start to start to do that, get back to actually fact checking for themselves and not just believe the first thing you read.

43:13 Yeah, and you've got people. You know. There was a show on ESPN a while back called Numbers Never Lie, And as an intelligence analyst, I can tell you that that's false. Numbers numbers can lie. You can manipulate data to make it say what you want it to say. And I say that listen the So the FBI just came out, So they came out a month or two ago saying that extreme crime was down a certain percent, right, familiar. They just changed that recently in the last week that it's actually up by four point eight percent. So they and the way this all came about was that I believe it's the Institute of Criminal Justice Studies had they do their own data, and they were actually saying that violent crime is on the rise in the United States, has been on the rise since twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, it increased year over or twenty twenty three, it increased year over year from twenty twenty four and twenty twenty four. Is on the same trajectory. And then the FBI released and said no, actually, it's it's going down. And they both used different types of They use the same data, but they also use different pieces of data that they can collect. There's a lot of pushback to the FBI saying, you're saying it's down.

44:34 I'm witnessing with my own eyes certain things that kind of tell me that it's up. So you know what, say you? And so now with all that pushback to the FBI tried to quietly push out, no, you know it really is. We read, we redid the data, and it the numbers are actually up by four point eight percent. So, yes, data can lie as long as you can manipulate it in a certain way. Well, was that manipulation or suppression of information from the get go? Well, so the FBI would tell you they didn't have all the data that they needed in order make the assessment, and I tell that to people when I'm doing my assessment. So if somebody asked me, can you do an intelligence product and assess a certain thing.

45:19 I've done for. Cross border with Ukrainian people, getting them to safety. I've put out some products for nonprofits to help them move out there. And at the end it will always say all this is all the data that I have, and new data may change my assessment, and that's part of the intelligence cycle. The last part is it used to be just called dissemination, but it's always dissemination and reevaluate. So give it to the customer, but continue to evaluate what's going on. Okay, So not disagreeing with you because this is what you do, so I can't. I mean, you're at the experts, not me in this, but I agree in the state in that in that statement, and you know, hey, this is based on basically you're saying, this is based on the information at hand, which is the only way that you can can give information making assessment on what's going on your your your conclusion is only as good as the info that you have understood. But are we to believe the FBI really didn't have the information?

46:32 No, I mean they did an organization. Maybe they didn't have it, they had access, they have access to it. It's the FBI, it's the Federal Bureau of an Investigation. If they tell a police force that they need the data, the police force is going to give them the data. I didn't work in the FBI or on the police force, so I don't know sort of the doctrine that. Or how that works, how they interact. Yeah, so there could be, like I said, I don't know this, so I'm just going to say this as a blanket statement. They there could be requirements that if the FBI reaches out, the police force has to give up that information, so that that would then mean the FBI didn't go out searching for that stuff, and their blanket statement would be, well, we just didn't have access to it. You have access to everything. You're you're the FBI.

47:25 It's like the CIA saying we didn't have access to the intelligence. Yeah you did, right, you're read on everything you have need to know. Yeah, what don't they know? Right, that's what we're trying to figure out. Right, Well let's let's uh, we kind of went went veered off. Yeah, but that's fine. You know, I I'll sometimes I'll do that because I have my mind. Just my wife will tell you she thinks I have add but it just never stops, and I'll say, hey, wait a minute. You know, so I think there should be a study. I think our whole generation, uh we just go we have ADHD. It's like there's probably a reason for that. Oh on how we were brought up. Now we're gonna get go down a different roads if we keep talking about that, and then I'll just start going into the food. But anyway, well, I was going to try to get back to Israel. So here's my question, because you helped establish the history and you gave us a lot based on your knowledge and your experience from the area in which you did in the military and and intelligence and analyzing all that data. But fast forward, I believe Israel had a right to respond. Any country should respond the way they were attacked on that October seventh, okay, last year twenty three. So do you think at this time though, are they going too far or are they not going far enough? Or what does your opinion on it?

48:47 I mean, at some point when do you have to say, you know what you kind of you kind of proved your point, or is it correct for them to believe in the total destruct and extermination of not the Palestine is by the I don't think that's their end game here. Obviously, they want to get rid of Hamas has blow any anyone they consider a terrorist to their state. So do you think they're going too far? Or do you think they're approaching this rationally as any other nation would. I So, all right, this is my opinion. Okay, I just want to I do that on the podcast as well. When I'm going to give my opinion on something, I want to state it. And that's a point where if you as an individual listening, can hear my opinion and then you can go research the facts and form your own opinion off of that. I will say, so, this is what Israel did immediately after October seventh is and I'm going to say this. I'm not a supporter of Russia and what they did in Ukraine, but from a military standpoint, they did what Russia should have done if they really wanted to take Ukraine, which is what I what the US is called with the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is shock and awe, Okay, you do shock and all. That's what Israel did. The problem that I have is that they're still doing it they're still taking and they go, well, we can't go in because of the tunnels. And I understand that. You it's a tough decision for a commander on the ground to

50:18 make to tell his forces you're going to go in this tunnel. There could be twenty Hamas fighters in there, and those Hammas fighters have the advantage because they know you're coming, they can hear you. You don't know where they're at, where they're at, and they know exactly where you're at. So you're sending those troops to die, so they couldn't do that. You can do a ground war in Gaza, I believe. Like I said, it's my opinion, once the shock and all was over with, you can send troops into Gaza and go just like the US military did, door to door, house to house and root out those individuals. Now, the problem that the US military had was, if you remember, George W. Bush went on the aircraft carrier and put mission accomplished back in two thousand and five or two thousand and.

51:13 Six, I believe. I believe so in Iraq you said mission accomplished, and he got a lot of flak for that. It was two thousand and five because there was an election prop the election process was going on, and he got a lot of flak for that. The truth of the matter is it was true. Mission was accomplished. We got Saddam usin. We crippled the entire Saddam government. Had the US left and told Iraq, hey, this is now yours, you do with it what you want, we'd probably still be in the same situation we are now, but we would have lost a lot less US troops. What happened was we said, the international communities going to call us bullies and they're going to hate us if we don't do peacekeeping in this region.

51:57 So with that, do you think the US felt all it was like obligatory for them to stay there. Absolutely, And then you know that's the al Qaeda uprising started and a lot of Iranian proxies popped up in Iraq just based on the fact that US troops were staying there, and so the people of Iraq very disillusion to US troops as the war went on because of things that I've mentioned before, walking while Arab and having certain people in US military uniforms. Look, the Abu Gharab prison pictures came out showing that we put in US interrogators put Iraqis that were in prison on top of each other and stripped them of their clothes and took pictures with them and did all of these despicable things.

52:49 All of that would never have happened. We would have just left and said, this is now your country. You formed the government do whatever. What we wanted to do was force them to start a government that's pro us so that we can influence Middle East operations, that's oil, that's you know, other services and goods. Tried that time and time again, and it never and it failed, never works because that just because like you said, Western view versus you know, Eastern view. Now, Israel is more attuned to Middle Eastern society, right, so they understand this. But to just keep it is it is targeted, right, the destruction of buildings because a terrorist is inside of it, that's targeted. But there are also families in there. Well, those families are dying, and you're creating new terrorists. Every time that happened.

53:45 Absolutely, every time someone's father or brother dies, you know, another one will uprise, uprises or rises up to take their place. And I hear what you're saying. You know, I personally think enough enough, enough is enough. But I know I'm so sometimes I'm fumbling. Well, it's been a lot where I want to I've been thinking about this in like a football analogy, like American football. You know. So I'm a Saints fan. That's not good this year, but. I've watched Actually I'm liking what the Saints have been doing. I've been supporting them, you know. Ever good, So yeah, we're definitely watching them as one of our teams this year, for sure. Good deal. I just I know, I've sat down so many times and watched a game and seeing a team be up forty to fourteen in the by halftime, right, and that's the arbitrary number or whatever, And then I go check the score at the end and it was forty two to forty, and you go, what happened? It was like, well, they had their foot on the throat and they took it off and they decided to let the other team come back. Now that analogy does not speak anything to the humanitarian crisis or anything like that. It might be sort of a dumb down analogy. But what I'm trying to get to here is Israel can take their foot off the throat of Hamas. Hamas is going to re establish, reorganize, and get bigger. That's what Israel thinks. So that's where

55:15 it comes into you have to annihilate. I can't blame that way of thinking, though. I mean, realistically, I think that Israel has gotten to the point with all of this that they're like, you know what, screw this, we this time, let's just really end it. And that's they're trying to do. People don't like it because it's messy and it's warning. It is what it is. Unfortunately, you know, innocence die. But Israel also approached it very messy from the get go by just targeting towns, villages and cities and saying, oh, well, you know their tunnel underneath and we couldn't decipher who was who, which, to be honest, was bullshit, you know, and they made it very evident when they were able to suddenly blow people's pagers up, Well, that seems pretty precise and you know to me. And and so now after that, I think that there they've been better at targeting exactly who they want to go after. But you know, how do you how do you explain them, you know, going ahead and just telling you know, NATO memory, and I know they're not a NATO nation, but you know members of NATO who are also allies of the US like, hey, screw you, I don't care what you say. We don't need you.

56:26 We're gonna do what we want. They blew up that French gas company, well company, I believe, whatever it was, and France didn't respond, you know, not militarily anyway, They were stern to say, hey, we're no longer going to support you, and then Israel just raises their middle fingers like, well, we don't need you. At what point is Israel not going like they're not realizing I'm not saying they don't have a right to what they're doing because we went after bin Laden, we didn't care. We went after everybody we wanted to go after, and that's what Israel's doing. But at what point does Israel or net net to Yahoo not take a step back and go while we are doing what we have to do, what are the consequences of this with everybody else in the world. All it takes us for them to do the wrong thing and get one of the NATO members involved because they have to, and then we're in a very messy situation with Article five, right.

57:25 And yeah, if so, what's your host five? Like you mentioned, is is the NATO article that says, if one NATO nation is attacked, all NATO nations have been attacked and they have to come to the defense of that one NATO nation. Article five has only been invoked once, and that is after nine to eleven. So the United States was attacked for nine to eleven, all the NATO nations came together. The Iraq War was not a NATO war. We had NATO nations that did not decide to go with us on that. But here's what I'll say, Yeah, so sorry. Here Here's what I'll say about the Israel conundrum is that at some point, and you asked, and I don't know if I said definitive you you asked if I thought they've gone too far definitively.

58:17 What I will say is, at points they have gone too far. In my opinion, the nations that are supplying goods and services militarily to Israel, the United States being the key one there, is going to have to decide when enough is enough, because right now they are it's hey, don't do this, Israel. Just like you said, Nan Yaho, says, screw you, I'm going to do it anyway. They do it, and the US just goes, well, don't do it again, and then don't do it again. And so when I when I was a human intelligence analyst out in Iraq, I had another analyst. This was years ago, and I'm still study I still studying Israel at that time, and he was educating me on some things. And you know, Israel in the United States, Israel's like that friend at the bar you always go to the bar with that gets too drunk and then starts a fight, and then you have to get into the fight.

59:12 And you keep going to. The bar because you like the guy and you guys have a great time, but sometimes he takes it too far and then you have to get involved. And at some point you have to tell that guy either you're gonna stop doing that or I'm not going to be associating with you anymore. And so we're close. I don't think we're at that level. We are very close to that level. The response that Israel is going to take on Iran is going to say a lot about future dialogue with the United States. Yeah, I look, Spain's already announced they're cutting him off France cutting him off in terms of support for all of this. What I see is, I think this is an opinion, but I think most people from NOLASA looking and can probably agree with this assessment that Israel does what they do because they know the US is behind them.

1:00:03 Yeah. I believe that I do, and we have a long history. We'll get off this topic soon because I wanted to go into you know, your neck of the woods of Witch you specialized, and I think it was like Russian. I've got a few more minutes. Okay, We'll move out out of this pretty soon. But anyway, Yeah, I think they just they just do do what they do because of because we're behind them. And then if you look at the history of what they have done over the years, all over the years, they have been told to calm down, and more than one one occasion throughout the years because of how they've approached certain situations and gone after other nations. So they do have a history or a pattern of doing this. Now we can argue whether all of that was justified. But still I don't know. There's I just hope all this ends soon, you know, and and it ends in a way that doesn't drag everybody into a world war. And then with that, I I kind of want to move. Let's quickly go over a few other things. So just got just came out and I think you saw this. What do you think about North Korea sending troops over now? Oh yeah, in the world.

1:01:11 Over about twelve thousand North Korean troops going out to Ukraine to fight. So, first of all, for a big picture, is now you're seeing what we would consider in World War two the Axis Alliance, which is and Iran has called their own group the Axis of Resistance. I think that's going to be coined for this entire axis, which is Russia, China, North Korea, Iran. So those groups are coming closer, and now you've got twelve thousand to thirteen thousand. I've seen some say as much as seventeen thousand North Koreans moving to Russia because they need more fodder. And it's very interesting that all those troops are going to the Curse Region. And if you haven't been following that war recently, the Curse Region is where Ukraine successfully did a counter offensive and took over Russian land in Kursk to push back those Russian munitions. So they can't hit places like Kievan Leviv areas within Ukraine. So Russia is not only conscripting these North Koreans, they are going to one of the bigger hotbeds where Russia wants to show force and push back Ukrainians back across the border. So that's very interesting.

1:02:29 Do you think this is something that may pull China into the fold on this. I think China's going to be So. China's got their own thing that they want to do with Taiwan, and I think they're going to stay out publicly, out of everything until they can do that. Now, China's got an issue with manpower. You know, we see China. They've got millions to throw at this war. They've got to do it very quickly. When I say very quickly, within the next five years, because a lot of them in the men's male service members in China are aging out of being able to fight. They are, so. They're not going to send I absolutely do not think I have it as unlikely that China is going to send p l A into Russia to help that battle.

1:03:18 What they're going to hope so they're gonna they they're helping monetarily, They're helping with you know, certain missile defenses, things of that nature, militarily on the through back channels. They won't publicly state that they're doing this, but they are. I think that's where it's going to stay. The country I'm looking at getting heavily involved as Belarus. Uh. And the problem with Belarus is it's right there with Poland, and there could come a time where Russia says, screw it, we're going full on Belarus. You've got the nukes. So Russia last summer sent nuclear weapons believe it was last summer.

1:03:59 Timeline could be all off, but the Russia is nuclear weapons to Belarus to store them along the border there, and so now Belarus has it. There could come a time in the near future where Putin says to Lukashenko and Belarus, hey, all bets are off. Go into Poland. We're going through Ukraine and we're going to get into Poland and we're going to war with NATO because we're at odds and this is this is going to be a full war. So Belarus could be very important. Lukashenko was put in place by Russia, so he has certain obligations to the Russian state and the Russian military that he is going to have to accept once Putin says Belarussian forces, even if it's just put them in Ukraine, that's going to happen.

1:04:52 What a mess, man, it is, it really is. I know you're going to have to go here soon, so I'm gonna I'm just gonna quickly go over a few other things. So let's let's go back to the USA itself, I mean. And always if you want me back on, we can spend some more time. When I have more time, you gotta go there. Let's let's really quickly election opinion. What do you think? And how's that going to go? And then I would like you to talk more about your podcast, so everybody knows you know where to find that and listen to you and your wife and you know, go over all that as well. So let's start with your opinion. What's going on with the election? Yeah, look, so I've said it. I was recently on a podcast with some people that I say are very good friends of mine. It is called Songs and Stories.

1:05:40 It's by the band Emery. I was on there and I talked heavily about the election. I don't give I'm not going to give who I'm going to vote for, but I will give how I'm assessing things are going to go. And so right now everything flows through Pennsylvania. You can run twenty twenty thousand simulations. The person who wins Pennsylvania wins the presidential election. We all know that we can agree with. That's evident. That's why Trump and Harris both have been going into to Pennsylvania recently. What's been happening that's been interesting to me is Michigan and Wisconsin have sort of turned over to Trump. Something has happened within Michigan and Wisconsin that has made them more palatable to Trump. And if he can win Wisconsin and Michigan, he doesn't need Pennsylvania. I didn't see that coming a couple of months ago. That's another key one to go on.

1:06:37 So depending on who you trust the polsters. The polsters still have Kamala Harris winning at least the national vote by one point eight percent. They still have her favored in Pennsylvania and a couple of other states, including Nevada, which I think is trending more towards Trump. So do you trust the pollsters or do you trust Vegas? Meaning people are putting bets on the election, and Vegas doesn't lose. I think I think I at this point, I don't trust the polls. I'm I think I'm leaning more towards how Vegas is going to be, Yeah, judging how this is going to go. Yeah, Well, we'll see how this all unfolds. Well, let's let's talk about your uh, your podcast really quick before you have to head off, and then you know, whatever else you want people to know about you, and we'll get you out of it.

1:07:25 One more thing on the election. Yeah, and now I'm extending my time a little bit, but yeah, so one thing, one more thing on the election. My hope is that it's not a hotly contested election either way. Whoever wins, it probably will be because Pennsylvania is one of those states that can't assess the election right after the polls are done, so it's going to go through the night. But I hope someone wins with more so than the last election or the one before that, because that's what China wants. Honestly, that's what they've been trying to do, is hotly contested election that no one approves of, and we have a civil war in this country. So that's my hope. So I said, I don't care, like I'm not going to support one candidate or another, but my hope is somebody wins by a lot.

1:08:13 I'll just try. I believe what that post was that came out about the UK Labor Party sending one hundred people over here to campaign for Harris. But anyway, Yeah, let's let's go over your podcast here and what you offer and you're scheduling and when that comes out and how that came together. Yeah, so the podcast is this week explain it's a geopolitical intelligence podcast, just based off of my history, my experience as an intelligence analyst. And you set it up perfectly at the beginning. We try to break down these big events and we don't get technical, we don't get bogged down. And so that's if you know anything about intelligence analysis. The reports have to be concise and they have to be easy to understand. I say for a fifth grader. Usually we'll usually say a two star general needs to understand it. That's a fifth grade education level.

1:09:07 Sometimes on these big picture things, that's just a dig at the at the officer corps. But that's what we're really trying to do, is everybody's talking about these these big picture things in a very technical sense, and so no one really understands it except for the people who are in these certain technical things. So you talk about tanks, people who understand tanks, they're gonna be able to speak very fluently about it. But not everybody understands that, and every I think everyone needs to understand these big geopolitical events, so we try to break it down. And I was gonna do it by myself when this all started and I started, I did what everybody tells. You want to start a podcast, you start recording. So I hit record and I started talking Ben Shapiro type of kind of thing where it's just me and I'm just talking and you can say whatever you want about that guy, but he's got to be brilliant to be able to talk for an hour and a half by himself.

1:10:04 I could not do that. So I said, man, I can't do this, but I think it's important. I think what I'm doing is very important and people want to hear it. So I went to my wife and I was like, I really need to somebody else, and I don't have any like I have friends and stuff, but that would kind of get bogged down into stories about our past and kind of goofing off and things like that. And I was like, Tinna, you know, we we have these conversations all the time, Like we sit at the dinner at the dining room table or in our bed and we just talk about this stuff and we bounce things off of each other and we go to one side and the other. Let's do that as a podcast, and we set up and we hit record. And I won't say those early episodes were the greatest, but it's set the foundation for it where we could sit and it's become a part of our relationship and our marriage where Thursday nights we sit down and we have a conversation and that's the podcast and then Fridays it gets released.

1:11:07 I like that you too can come together and have these conversations about politics and you know, major events are going on in the world. Not too many couples can actually do that, to be honest. And we get bogged down sometimes, especially Israel Israel Hamas Israel has blog. I mean, this episode was his real So yeah, it's a tough one. A lot going on out there, and how how do people find you outside of that? I mean, I know your podcast is built everywhere. I've heard a few times already myself. I like it. I appreciate that. And then anything else in terms of socials, websites, anything like that. Yeah, So our our Instagram at Open Analytics, we post. So if you listen to the podcast, if you're on that Instagram account, you'll see a lot of the posts leading up to it, just talking about big events that happen.

1:11:54 So the way we do it is put out the event, have a headline, kind of give you a basis on it as a screenshot there, and then within the caption I will have an assessment. I think that's very important. Don't just put out what's going on, like you know, Israel bombed this area, killed twenty civilians. We want the assessment, why did they do? What are the secondary and tertiary repercussions of that? And that's what we're trying to do on Instagram, you know, X and Facebook could find this everywhere on the socials except for TikTok, just because through my experience, I don't I don't trust TikTok at. All and I don't do it either.

1:12:35 That probably gets a lot of people to not see what we're doing. But I'm going to sleep well at night knowing that I am not a part of that album. What I can tell people are finding you, and uh, I think from what I can see, you're growing and growing. So whatever you're doing, you're doing it right, you know, and you're presenting you're presenting the info in a way that you know that everyone could consume. Like on my show. Yeah, I'm sure it can get one sided, and I have a certain audience. I get it. But at the same time, you know, we need we need people like you who can just stay correct me, correct others. They go, Nope, this is where it's at and this is the facts, and that's an important thing. So anyway, I appreciate you, and yes, I would like to have you back if you ever have the time. I know you're super busy.

1:13:23 So with that being said, hey, let's get you ad here so we could do what you got to do, and next time, hopefully we can spend more time together and have a longer conversation. Yeah, let's go for two to three hours, right, once I have some time, I think I think there's enough in the world that you and I could have a conversation for three hours and it would feel like two minutes. Oh yeah, and I love learning. So you know, you have a bunch of knowledge that I don't, and so I'm yeah, very happy to ask questions and get get educated. Same here. I love bouncing ideas off of smart people like yourself. That's debatable. Thank you. Have a good night there, Ran. Yeah, let's definitely stay in touch off of this. Okay, thank you so much for having me. As I always say, stay safe out.

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