30 - SPECIAL GUEST, JESSE RUCINSKI

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0:45 Couple that with great craft beer, hilarious stories, deep thoughts in real conversations. We know you're going to enjoy us. Download Whiskey Hell Podcast anywhere you find outstanding shows. You are listening to a fons media Network Production. Welcome to this special episode number thirty of World Ablaze with yours truly, George Fonse. Today I have special guest Jesse Razinski, former marine and current hosts of The Jesse Razinski Show.

1:28 He is an independent podcaster in the news and politics category. He's known for telling it like it is while backing it up with truth and actual data. We thoroughly enjoyed speaking with Jesse, and I'm very confident that you will enjoy this conversation as well. So please sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Okay, today I have Jesse Rasinsky with me. And I came across Jesse when I was on Good Pods and I was doing some promotion. I came across this podcast and I started listening to it come to realize that he's very similar to what we do. We have similar views, similar outlooks, and he's also an independent just like we are. So I thought I would reach out and see if he would be interested and just hanging out on the show, and I'd like to get to know him better and let the audience know him better and also just pick his brain on a few things. So welcome Jesse, and we did talk a little bit earlier. But how are you doing today.

2:29 I'm doing, you know, I'm doing fantastic. And I appreciate the time because time is precious. So it very much is, very much is. And I'm glad you're here too. Man. I appreciate you agreeing to do this. I have some notes and whatnot that you know, based on info that you sent me previously. We had, you know, some back and forth and you know, trying to prep for this, and if you're okay, I do want to ask him questions about your backgrounds, just so we can set it up a bit so people understand where you come from and how you came to be where you're at. And one of those things was the Marine Corps. And I remember you said, or you sent me anyway, the information stating that you joined them back in two thousand and six, and so you achieved the rank of sergeant I believe was e five. You said, Is that correct?

3:16 Yes, sir, okay. I was going to ask you because you I forget the town where were you born and raised? While I was born in the beautiful, beautiful city of South Brunswick, New Jersey, Okay. And then thankfully we moved and I was raised in the much more beautiful, small little town of Whitehaven, Pennsylvania, up in the Poconos, to the little place love it. Really, how long were you there in that town? Fourteen years? Fourteen years? So, how old were you when you joined the Marines? I was already, you know, swore in and said to go to boot camp before my eighteenth birthday. But I left for boot camp two weeks after my eighteenth birthday.

4:03 Was that something like where the Marines something specifically that you wanted to do that in your mind you already wanted to be a Marine. I mean, it was one of those by Buddy Alex, who I graduated with. He was already in the delayed entry program and did all that, and he just happened to offer. By Buddy while we were sitting in some computer class in high school first period. Couldn't tell he was first period. I was barely eaving conscious, but he asked him if he wanted to join, and I was like, thanks for asking me, Bro, And there was a good chuckle, and I figured if I was gonna know join one, no offense to the rest of them, but I was going to go join the best and the crazy ones and yeah, my mom was pretty set, actually pretty easy on that one. It was probably the best decision, easiest decision I made my entire life.

4:55 Really want to elaborate on that a little bit. I mean, I must say that I had the great is probably you know, one of the greatest Brine Corps recruiters of all time. You know, shout out to Ron Krumanacker wherever you are right now, but he was a great, great salesman. And you know, it's just the amount of training, you know, how long we do everything compared to everyone else. You know, our distance is longer on marksmanship, you know stuff. You know, it's just there was just more to it, and it was more elaborate and the longest one that they had there. And I was like, yeah, you know what I think I can I think that fits my mentality at my temperament pretty you know, pretty well, because I mean it wasn't always as laid back as I am now. I still have my moments, but back then it just fit, you know, because I was just go go go by energy, high testosterone, just a million miles an hour, and everything that they sat in front of me made complete sense and fit into all of that.

6:01 So no, offense to the other branches of their recruiters that they didn't sell me that well. They tried didn't work though. So the demands, expectations, and basically the bar that they set really appealed to you in your personality. Yes, it was. Couldn't have been any more perfect fit at that point in my life if I tried, minus how shy I was. But don't worry, I grew out of that too. Look at me. Now right now, you're a podcaster among other things. I'm sure man, the people in high school when I started the podcast are like you started or what? Like yeah, no, right, Well, we were friends for twelve years and I only said like fifteen words to you.

6:42 Wow. How long were you in the Marines? Total? It was four years, eleven months and nineteen days. I only remember the eleven months and nineteen days so well because I was on med hold because I had knee issues before I deployed, okay, and then I finished off my knee issue while I was in country like halfway through it, and then by the time I got back it was just yeah, everything was torn and blown to Jesus. So yeah, I was on that hold for a while till they said, I was put back together enough to go onto my future endebbors. As they put it, what.

7:22 Was wrong with your knee? I mean you're okay answering that question? Oh yeah, yeah. I mean to make a long story short, I first, yeah, had the problem in December of seven, so it was very early on just because we were running way too much. They told me it was runner's knee. For three months. I'm like, it's still swollen. I haven't run on it, and yeah. So I went and deployed and did all that, and then by the time I got back from the deployment, I needed a new knee cap. My meniscus was shot. Tell us, yeah, that's done. My ac L, MCL, and PC all all had like multiple partial tears in it going all the way down it, and my achilles was it wasn't in the greatest shape, which is why I know how a piece of a cadavers shinbone screwed into my achilles to keep it taught for the rest of my life or until they replaced the thing. But pretty much I just blew everything in their pieces. Wow, I mean, long story short.

8:28 Yeah, sounds like they literally rebuilt your entire knee, plus you have you have something there to hold your achilles together? Yep. Wow, that's crazy. And that was just all from the workload of running and doing what you do on the terrain every day. Yeah, I mean, and my platoon wasn't mean anyone that was in there. If they, I mean, they'll comment if they listened to this. We ran and ran and ran and ran some more. And we were going like ten to fifteen miles a day down dark tank trails and if you've never seen a tank trail, they'd leave really big ruts and stuff. When you can't see it, parts of your body twist and pop that shouldn't and when you're jumping up and down off the tanks all day.

9:14 I mean, it was just sooner or later it was gonna happen. Then it was amazing when it finally went out and like fully went out in Iraq, Like that was one of those that was an experience. There was a lot of There was a lot of laughter that night. Don't ask me how, I don't know, because it sure didn't feel good, but we were all laughing and that was the important part. And I finished out the deployment and came back and three knee procedures later, they finally told me that my services were no longer needed. Wow, So just like that, they were done. Oh yeah, Like I was supposed to get out of October twenty third, and they pulled me into the office on a Thursday, I believe, and they're like, you're getting out the twenty third. I'm like, I know, and they're like, no, like the twenty third, like now next week.

10:00 That's wow, that's great. I'd you feel this? How did you feel about that decision? I mean, were you ready have given the injuries and everything, or were you were you still wanting to to finish out your term? I mean I and it was one of those I was ready, but I mean you can never be ready. And I thought we were going to work on my right knee afterwards. But yeah, that's still an argument with the VA and a whole other story that we'll get into it some other time in my life. But I mean it was one of those I was ready for October. I wasn't so ready to have it thrust upon me with like five days notice because I didn't have like all my stuff, like final physical, my VA stuff to get that started before I got out, Like all of that was scheduled for months down the road, and I couldn't move it in time, and that's just you know, so I was, but I wasn't. I'm thankful though that you know, it turned out, you know, the way it did, because even though it was you know, a cluster, it uh, it worked out you know, fairly good all things considered with it.

11:06 So it's all in all your mixed emotions, yeah, mixed emotions, but all in all your you're okay. Yeah, all the things been how it all went down. I mean, it could have been a thousand times worse. I know people that had it way way worse than I did, with medical stuff that never got fixed. So all in all, they gave me three procedures. They tried to fix it three times. None of them stuck just because there was so much and yeah, that was all they could do. So I took it. Didn't like it at the time, but I mean, who was going to It's one of those things. But oh, in all, I think it couldn't have worked out, you know, any better for it being moved up as much as it was.

11:50 Well, that's good to hear. I was going to go back to your deployment in Iraq, And uh, how long were you there? Just under a year? We were roughly just under the ten month mark, like by a couple of days. Supposed to be there for fifteen. We came back after ten thanks to the first of the eighty second for coming out early. They robbed me of a few months and that extra thousand bucks you get every month you're there after twelve. Don't worry. I still remember that. Were you were you deployed or did you volunteer for that? I mean, had it? Oh? I volunteered. I volunteered to deploy. Oh did you? Because tank battalion, Tank battalion, they only have you know, there's only first tanks and second tanks, I mean at the time, and second tanks doesn't even exist anymore. But you know, only one company, one line company, because you only have H and S Company, and we had Alpha Bravo, Charlie Delton. I think we stood up Echo at that point.

12:50 You Oh, and only one line company got to deploy at a time, So they asked for people to volunteer to go. You have to three separate places. And I just threw my hand up in air as fast as I could to get as far away from that place really just because you know, if I didn't do it then I mean most people I've known people that were there for you know, eight years, and they never got to deploy. They never got to go anywhere, just because you know, it's such a small thing. They're not allow of them to get to go anywhere, especially as a mechanic like operators, they all get to go. But every line company only had a select number of mechanics, and we were getting so many extra mechanics, you know, like every time the school graduated a class, we'd get like another fifteen. So we were just piling up, and you know, at some point it's just not possible or feasible for you to get out. So they said who wants out?

13:39 And I threw both my hands in the air and I ran out those doors fast as humanly possible. So you were you were wanting to get deployed, like, oh yeah, you just wanted to get away, yeah, from from where you're at and actually go fulfill your duties as Amarine, you know, based on how you were training, what you were meant to do. Go do something, yeah, Like yeah, I mean that was like the whole goal. That was one of them. When you know, I joined the Marine Corps is you know, you get to go on a deployment and you just get to go actually do the thing and yeah, see, yeah things outside of the country here and you know how everything is over there and what was actually happening and you know all of that. And again I didn't get an option before that, just because there were so many people in front of me to go to line companies and I would like please, and it really was me.

14:39 It was just tank telling ask anyone that was there. It's like the most joyous and miserable place on the planet. And I still love it dearly, but I needed to get out of there, and thankfully I actually got like, out of the three, I didn't get to pick which one I wanted to go on. I just threw my name in the hat to go on one of them, and thankfully actually ended up on the one that I wanted out of the three, so that one actually worked out really cool as well. I didn't get lucky much, but that was cool. So so once you were there, in your time spent there, what was your experience like in Iraq at that time? So surprisingly, you know, we didn't like when we got there.

15:23 We took over from an army unit that had the base, and we took over. So we had like we built a giant concrete wall and compound around us. The little village right outside the gate there. Those people were bringing us food and helping us build this wall, you know. I mean again, they tried to blow us up a few times. Things happened, get shot at, things happened, you know. I mean, it's a deployment, sooner or later, those things are bound to happen. But I mean it was just as crazy as it sounds, because I mean we were working. Sometimes we wouldn't get off the road until like, you know, back until like five five thirty in the morning, and then we'd immediately go into regimental pt which I still think is really dumb to have us all together in one spot in that situation. But a whole other story again, but we were working like sun up to way too early in the morning, six days a week, and it just it's weird to say it was like a vacation, but I mean, when you're here all kinds you know, stateside and you're doing it like all kinds of you know, family, you know, all kinds of life things happen and the unexpected stuff that you know, we all go through. That was you know ten months where it was just work and then work and then work and then go on the road and then run and you know, grab your laundry from people, you know, try to get some chow if you can, and then go pete and then back to work. And and it was like that, you know, it was just continuous without any you know, any crazy

16:55 unexpected stuff. Yeah. It's almost like you didn't have time to really take it in and they just just kept going. Oh yeah, we were it was you know, we were good. But again we were where I was. It really wasn't having too much you know, really just anything crazy going on, which you know, thankfully we didn't have a lot of We got into situations when we were outside of the walls, but we were inside the walls. It was you know, just we got to see the culture. We got to you know, I mean I did get to interact with a lot of sheikhs and you know just civilians that were working you know on base for us and do all that. So you know, I got to do a lot of that stuff. But it was busy, busy, busy.

17:41 It was really hot, and I'd probably some of the best time of my higher life, as odd as that might sound to some people, but they were going to get that back again. It was. It was a great time, you know. I mean I did my job, I did it well, and we got a lot of the movie. Accomplished everything that we add to more than we probably you know, had do because we were just getting volunteered to do everything, and it was it was a hell of an experience. I mean, part of my French but I will say that like that was that was amazing and it was completely different culture really, you know all that, but sometimes you got to take it in. You know, during sandstorms you really got to stop and sit down and think when you were just stuck inside for days on end. But otherwise, yeah, I was so busy that you didn't notice anything.

18:33 You also gonna ask you when you you know, what your experiences and interacting with different cultures outside of the United States, I mean, did any of that when you came back or even while you were there, affect your views after on how you saw things? I mean the whole grand question of why or even here thing. I mean, yeah, I've had those deep conversations with that. But the people over there that you know, at least the ones you know, whether it was the engineers that you know, went to school for that, it was their workers because every time they were there, if I got stuck, you know, if I got through the straw for you know, security detail, and just watching them while they were there doing stuff like I don't know, it's like they were I mean as much like regular you know, just regular like me, like when I was working a job before the Marine Corps. Like they were just there, all of them, like they had They were just there trying to make waye you know, make money, to feed their family, yeah, to try to better their lives, you know. And it was really freakishly how similar we all were with them. That makes any sense, it does.

19:48 I think I think it's crazy. Yeah, I think it's crazy most people. You kind of come to find that humans are human, Like we're all, we're all people, we're all in the in the end wanting to try to get the same thing, food, shelter, you know, safety. Doesn't matter where you are, it's all they want, right And that was because I always you know thought that and it was nice to go and you know, actually physically get to see that with the many, many, many you know, different people that I got to work with. And again, it was all the way from like you know, higher up their sheiks, all the way down to you know, general labors, and for the most part, I mean we all just sat there and laughed and you know, talked about our families and you know, just basic stuff. And that was that was probably the best part about all of that, because you always hear all kinds of you know, no matter where you go here, all the noise that people make about it, but generally, no matter where I've been, everyone just wants the same thing, and there's no hard feelings towards us. You know, they all had their views on everything was before all of that, but there was no hard feelings towards us. They just wanted, you know, break bread, have lunch, have laughs, go home to their family, and repeat. And I really I appreciated that more than anything.

21:07 So it was a It's not like you ran into a lot of individuals necessarily that had extreme views and were promoting violence and whatnot while you're deployed. I mean, obviously we were there for a reason, but in your experience, that wasn't like the day in and day out for you. Yeah, I didn't. It wasn't at all. The on went bad. You know, times I had to worry about those people is when we were on the aptly named graveyard that was the name of the road that was, and we always ran into some of those type people that made things kind of interesting at three point thirty in the morning. Wow. Especially, I don't want to know why they named the I mean, I know what we all know why they named the graveyard.

21:49 You know that was. And I never actually had to deal with any of those people, but all the you know, civilian base, they were all really actually good, honest people, and I respected all of them for it because it proved what I thought about, you know, humanity is yeah a whole most of us just want the same things. And yeah, but that was that's good to hear. That's good to hear from me, because you know, when you're when you're cut off, you know, as you know, living in America, we're all a lot of people just only believe what they're told or or being reported about, right, and you're led to believe, you know, this person bad, that person evil. You know, America is the enemy to the world. Et cetera. And it's always good to hear someone else's perspective actually has been out there and to bring back testimony of well, you know, people are people.

22:39 We all kind of want the same things. It's unfortunate these conflicts happen and we're all caught in the middle of it. But I think the average person would rather not be in those conflicts whatsoever. So exactly, it's it's it's good to hear. I'll gotta be honest, it's good to hear what you had to say about that. And it wasn't you know, fortunately for you and not all gloom and doom. So yeah, I got lucky together. I got the one that I wanted. I got sheer luck, and everything was it was what you'd hope it. Yeah, to be within the civilian base everything, and it was it was touching to see it. What what year did you I don't I you probably said it, but what do you What year did you get out of the Marines?

23:24 Twenty eleven? Okay, twenty eleven, that's when you got it. I don't know. Were you always this this question? I'm kind of trying to say that. So were you always a conservative leaning in your views before you deployed. Yeah, okay, and then yeah, after coming back and experienced what you did, did it change anything about your views as far as you know, when you came back to the United States to live back as a back here as a civilian. I mean, it's just I think embolden is the best word my feelings towards you know, the machine as I like to call it. Yeah, the machine. Some people call, you know, some people called a swamp, some people call whatever what I just call it the big machine that keeps chugging and you know, promoting all this and you know, all you gotta do is turn that stuff off and just go talk to people.

24:13 I was going to I was going to go into one of the stories that you were telling me earlier. So you come back, you know, your experience was good, you survived, everything was fine, come back and on. I believe this is after you came back on a Thanksgiving you got hit by a truck, but as a pedestrian, you weren't in a car. You got to hit walking. Is that correct? Yes, sir? What the heck happened there? Thanksgiving Eve twenty nineteen. My last thought that I remember was, man, it's way too muggy out here for me to be walking right now. I should turn around at the fountain right here at the beginning of my yeah, neighborhood. Well, it turns out I didn't turn around. Uh, and thankfully I don't remember, you know, actually getting hit. I think my blessings for that one. But it was a full sized white Chevy Silverado going approximately they said sixty five.

25:22 That sixty five sent me into orbit. So you say, when you got hit walking by a cargoing sixty five months star? Yep, big old white Silverado, big old thing. Was it dark right and boggy? Like? How it was? How was it that this person saw you? Oh? I I have no idea. I only got mixed things, you know, stories from from people that you know. Well, the one person that actually stuck around when I got hit, and she really, I can say, when she tried to like, yeah, tell me the story, she was just more tearing up and thankful that her and her husband stopped, you know, because they were right there and they saw it and they stopped, and she pulled my head out of the road.

26:15 Because anyone that's ever been here in Jacksonville knows that anyone sees anything like that they're not stopping to help. They're hauling the mails so they don't get stuck in traffic behind everything when it stops. And she was lucky enough to go and pull my you know head out of the road, because she said she only looked up and just saw oh no, as I was hurled down the road. Ah, thankfully she didn't. But all the cameras were like, no one could actually pick any of it up. And I've never talked to the person that did it, so and no one else stuck around even say anything. So I'm kind of grateful that I don't have to know.

26:59 I've wondered many, many many times, how, yeah it happened. I mean I crossed, I crossed that, I crossed that intersection. I mean there were times I was crossing that intersection like six times a day, you know, just yeah, walking back and forth, because I used to just do that all the time. Hit myself, you know, in a reasonable size besides round, which by the way, is my current you know size. But I don't know what happened, but I know, huh oh, I know. Everything from that moment on just kept getting more unfathomable and unbelievable and then there are shades of ridiculous, and somehow I laughed through it all, Like I really, I don't understand how I found everything so funny, But I think that was just the mere fact of when I finally, you know, like snapped too. I was like, they told me what happened.

27:56 I was in the wrinkle on my toes. I'm like, that shouldn't be like that, because they told me what happened. Like something that big was going that fast hit me directly and my left hip and I went flying like I scorpioned when I hit the asphalt on my face wow, and neck was fine, spine ended up being fine. Like I broke my pelvis in three pieces. That didn't feel good, by the way, But like I was sitting there like, well my legs still moved, what I mean, they hurt, but I and I was just grateful that. I mean, it's very cliche to say I got a second chance, but I stand firm and there's not a there's no reason why you know, shouldn't be still in that wheelchair that they gave me, or you know, even worse off from what happened.

28:46 Well, based on what you're saying, I mean, you got a hit at sixty five miles an hour, flew scorpion on the floor or the pavement, and the only thing that really happened was you broke your pelvis in a few places. Your back was fine. Yeah, you're luck, You're not freaking paralyzed. Yeah. How long was your recovery, you know, from shattering your pelvis? Basically, like how long. I mean, how long should it have taken compared to how long the VA made it take? I mean within I mean, this is with eight screws holding everything together. By the way, I did not know that they made screws long enough surgical to go from one side of your hips straight through the other. It turns out they really do, and it looks really cool next ray. But I think I was like by like the end of the first week when they're like, don't lift anything, don't do this, don't do that, and God bless them. I mean I shouldn't have been. But by the end of that, like my friends were coming to check coming and they had to get the garbage out of like the garage, and my buddy Dave, Yeah, God bless them. Yeah, good old master guns Patterson. Now, but he was like pulled the pin left the gradualate like what pin And then there I was hurling like fifty pound bags like cat litter out of my way, like you shouldn't be doing that, I know, but I was up there. I was taking care of myself. I was cooking for myself, I was doing laundry. I was doing all that with them like a week and a half really, and then they got me.

30:21 You know, X ray's done within a month and there. I mean that was through the VA, but the VA couldn't get me into an actual doctor, you know, to clear any to get me actually cleared out of the wheelchair. So I mean that took I want to say, month and a half two months from them to finally like get me out of it, out of it the wheelchair. But they'd like looked at the x rays and they're like, I mean, everything looks healed. Within a month. Again, it took them forever to get me anywhere. But again, the beginning of twenty twenty, depending on where you were, things started getting a little dumb. So so that did you heal? Certainly?

31:07 Did you heal correctly? Like do you have any issues? Oh? Yeah, I mean thanks to you know everything that because I mean again pelvis was broken three places. I broke my middle finger on my right hand except in the middle of my hand like in my palm there that they'd never like reset, which I still find weird because like you have to, because I had to press myself up to get in and out the wheelchair and really do anything with a broken hand, that was weird. But that my nose is broken in two spaces. Thankfully they didn't have to straighten it because it stayed aligned when it broke twice, and I got a half tooth and I got a half tooth. It still looks awesome whenever I smile. But I mean I partially tore some more ligaments in my knee and I finally finished off my lcl So that's got all kinds of tears in and now just from the they said when my leg came down. But so I mean my left legs normally on average from like knee down, like an extra like three inches in my right leg all the time, you know, without doing anything. So I mean that's a lasting effect, which doesn't feel good like at all. But again because of my need. They told me that I needed a replacement when I was twenty two, and that was never going to run again. So I mean, it's not like this took that away from me. It's just a lot of pain and swelling, and yeah, I know my limits.

32:35 I then pushed my limits, all right, who doesn't. Yeah, that's the worst thing. It's just swelling. I mean I had that was my second traumatic brain injury. So I did get one, you know, overseas, but that was that had nothing to do with getting blown up or anything. That was just a crazy person. So that I had that, and I didn't, you know, I have my migraines are a little worse. Yeah, but and I had crazy like directional vertigo like that would just come out of nowhere. That was really that lasted for like NonStop, I'd say for two years or so. After it like where I'd be fine for a while, then I'd have like, you know, two forty five pound dumbbells over my head and I'd be laying back and then suddenly everything would start spinning on me. That was kind of that was kind of uncomfortable for a while, but otherwise everything's perfectly fine. I don't know how again, by the grace of someone, yeah, well someone out there.

33:35 Was sounds like out for me. Yeah, it sounds like after everything that happened, I mean, you were seems like you were obviously meant to still be here. I said second chance when I could, like, I snapped too. I wriggled my toes like but I'm good. Like there felt like I was cracking jokes. The nurses and the doctor were looking at my friend that came to see me. They're like getting me. She's like, oh know what, that's normal. That's him, Like, oh, I thought was a head injury. He's like, no, man, he's good. You'll know if he's not good. And I walked away way more unscathed than I ever should have been. The no surgery was a little weird. You know, that's had some lasting effects with some like drainage and stuff. But I mean, if the worst that came out of it was my leg swollen, my hip hurts and my drainage is a little weird.

34:24 I mean, that's one of those blessings. That's the second chance. And that's when I started really I pushed my foot to the pedal on getting the podcast thing going and doing all that woll Because I always talked about it, I never did it. So did that second chance that second chance motivate you to get into podcasting? Is that what caused you? It motivated me to finally it caused me to finally actually do it because I was talking about it for yeah, forever. Then it took me, you know, a while, after recovery and all that, to finally, you know, just because COVID pushed back them fixing my nose. So yeah, and that was kind of awkward trying to you know, talk and breathe in all that, because I mean it was kind of janky, I guess, is the best way to put it.

35:13 But it finally, you know, it pushed me to do to finally actually do it because I was like, I mean, theoretically speaking with that accident, I shouldn't even be here to have, yeah, the opportunity to do it, So I wasn't. I wasn't letting the opportunity go to waste this time. With So, with all that being said, you your longest running podcast, your baby, as you said, is the Jesse Razinski Show. Yes, sir, What what led to you wanting to actually get into podcasting? First of all? And secondly, and we kind of talked about this before we started recording this why politics because it's it's kind of a it's kind of a narrow space, you know, and it's kind of taboo. People don't want to really talk about it, but yet it's it's one of the bigger categories there is out there. What led you to want to podcast and specifically get into the political space in podcasting, Well, see, because you.

36:18 Know, when I was growing up, like we all have, like you know, our parents and we have another people that we call mom and dad, you know, our friends parents down the road. We had all that, and you know, they were always like every night just local news followed by you know, I remember what. I think they watched the local news twice and then they'd turn on and you know, I know it might be taboo to say his name now, but you know, the O'Reilly factor was there. You know, there was Bill saying his thing and he'd watch, but he was watching like everybody across everything, just to get you know, the perspective of all the different ones. I could just see a bunch of their faces from the other networks. I just can't tell you any of their names. And I mean, who doesn't remember Bill O'Reilly.

36:58 I mean, honestly, I mean, I definitely remember Bill Oreley. Yeah, he was a big name, but a sorry world, but I can't remember anyone on the other networks. It was a long time ago, but it was always just you know, we always had conversations about that like type of stuff even growing up, and about the local politics and you know then obviously the military. I mean everything from that all the way down to coaching little league here, yeah, in North Carolina when I did that, like that even had its own set of politics, Like politics really I mean touches every aspect of your life. And I wanted to, you know, and I didn't really think that the news media was giving anyone like a fair swing it things, no matter which way it was, you know, because everything's so biased and skewed one way no matter what. Everyone you know can admit to that, I think. And it was just everything and I saw.

38:02 Like like all kinds of you know, between my liberal friends who I still missed dearly that didn't. Die, any one that just stopped talking to me, and think we weren't even talking politics when they did that. They just vanished one day. But you know, it was just I didn't think there was enough you know, conversations about you know what was actually in like the bills and what was actually happening out there. And I've, you know, even through everything, tried to stay you know, up to date on a lot of it. And I still, like you go through my phone right now, like my files is just filled up with so many bills and all kinds of stuff in there. Like I just always been my thing, and I didn't think that there was really a lot of fair sticks out there. Like that's the nicest, most pleasant way to put that. And I wanted to just you know, put what I knew out there to people because I figured it was, you know, a better way to grow out of, you know, all that, because I really was just an awkward, shy kid. And I keep telling everyone now, my body might not be able to be in the Marine Corps, but if this mind right here, like in my mentality now was there back then, like I would have been like super marine, like I would have been fain, Like I was just always shy and awkward, And it helped me come out of that bubble too by doing this.

39:23 It's it's always if I knew then what I knew now, right. Noh, Like if I just had I tell everyone like well, like any regrets that I wasn't like mentally here then, yeah, it takes time to grow out of that stuff. And you know, I just wanted to give and I didn't think there was enough you know, you know, little guys out there in the podcasting world, because again, like we were talking before, like all they have to do is stop being a senator, you know, stop playing a sport, and they automatically, you know, just start one and bang they have millions of views right. There without any real credibility in the space, you know, Yeah, they just have a famous name and then there you go. Yeah. Yeah, And I just didn't think that, especially conservatives. I didn't think we had a fair spot in the marketplace per se. Yeah, because there's a lot more on the other side than there is, you know, us, in my opinion, especially Indy ones. And again, you know, really it just helped me come out of my shell, help me express everything that I was reading. And I figured, even if I can only you know, help inform or change you one person's mind just by reading these things to them, then I'm doing something better for yeah, the world. And it was better than holding all these thoughts in my head because who I have a lot of.

40:39 Thoughts, right, a lot. It's ah you do, it's never ending. I can I can say that I'm a person whose mind is constantly spinning and and it's it's good to get those thoughts out. I think I can relate with you there for sure. Uh. And I also find in this space that the problem with politics is it's it's always treated as taboo. But as you said, and I completely agree, if if you ignore it, it's going to eat you because politics literally literally if you let it decides your fate. If you don't pay attention to what's happening, you're going to suffer the consequence. You really are, And I think that you're right. There isn't enough independent voices in this space to get out, you know, opposing opinions and present facts and whatnot. And it seems like it's a very one sided category in the podcasting space or in the media in general. As you said, there's it's mostly democrat, democratically led or liberal minded podcasts or news outlets and whatnot. But the problem with that is, and I've said this many times, and I want to I want to know if you think the same thing that most people in their day to day lives are so busy paying the bills, you know, figuring out what they're gonna feed their kids for dinner, whatever they got on their plate, that the only thing they know is the headline, and they don't take the time to go past the

42:11 headline to know what's really going on. Point in cases, fast forward, and here we are. Maybe this is a good segue. I wasn't gonna do this yet, but here we are, with all of a sudden, everybody realizes Joe Biden has an issue, when realistically his entire presidency, he's had. This issue is just nobody was paying attention because the average person doesn't read past the headline. They just take everything for face value. And what I noticed from listening to your show, as you kind of go past that, you're like, no, there's more to that story. Here's some facts, here's what's happening. And guess what, I got this from a government website and I do the same thing. It's funny how much you could find on actual government websites because they have to report that information. They just don't tell you they do, but they have to. They have to expose it to the public. It's funny how many people don't realize that. And then when you when you hit them with these facts, they're in disbelief. They're like, there's no way you're talking nonsense. It's ridiculous.

43:12 I get yelled at a lot, and I'm like, bro, it's from like the CBP's website. But go on Google right cb type in CBP and then whatever you're looking for, Google will do you the favor of pulling the exact page, so you just have to click and it's in front of your face. I mean, that is the magic of living in today's world. It takes nine seconds. Whoever would have thought back? Because I pick on my girlfriend all the time because she's younger than me, you know, she's from the phone generation. Like, whoever would have thought that? You know? I had to go to the you know, drive fifteen minutes to get to the library, to go lit the thing, to find the card, to see what shelf the book is on, just so I can go find anything out. All you people have to do is just pull up that thing that's in your hand twenty four to seven. I mean, but are less informed now.

44:01 Isn't that crazy? And I remember that, like, if you went the library, you wanted to find the information, you had to go out of your way to find the information, Okay, and that was an affirmation of your thirst for knowledge and truth and whatever discipline you were looking to be educated in, for example. And now you're absolutely correct, everything's at your fingertips. And it feels like in today's time and it just maybe because I'm getting older, but it feels like we're getting dumber. Yes, let's not say it dumb. Let's say more ignorant. Because the information is there, they're just choosing not to be educated in it, you know, that are choosing not to take that information educate themselves.

44:43 And like I said, it was all bout design. That's all I'm gonna say about that. And I'm sure you and I will get into that easy. Yeah, it's just so easy. But they've just they've just polarized and they've done a damn good job. Again pardon that French, but they've done well. They've done a good job at polarizing everything. Yeah, most people don't even care to look. And everything is so team base. You know, you're waving your palm poms for your team. You're believing the headline and the talking points and they're they're literally not not hiding the data, but they're definitely not telling you where to look. And they take they take everything for truth and it's it's crazy. So that being said, let's move forward a little bit and I want to get your thoughts on what you think of this current twenty twenty four presidential election.

45:37 We'll go and I'll start with the to the debate topic there just really quick, Okay, man, I beat medicaid. You did beat it? Oh that was but uh yeah, like that's this just the Joe Biden and he has a problem thing that you brought up earlier. I think it's amazing that really leading up to it, all of the talking heads we're talking about, he's been preparing for a week and he's so sharp and he has nothing wrong with him and all that, and then you know, as they're all spending time with them, they all see this and that comes from talking heads on you know, all the networks to everyone in his administration, all of them, and then that happens and suddenly they're all going, I didn't know there was anything wrong with them, but he didn't just suddenly turn into that in a three like no, And people are just taking it from face value, which just irritates me to death, like that doesn't happen that Like we've all been telling like we've been saying this for years. But that's all I'm gonna say about that certain thing. It's been there. It's obvious. I wish people didn't just yell at us for years and again whenever I bring it up with people through the years. Again, I had the TV and traumatic brain injury, wicked concussion, spider rud, a slab of concrete at the back of my head in Iraq, whole long thing we can we can get into that later. That was fun. But then I had the second one when I got run over and like what I have, like you know vertigo and you know, memory issues at times where my train of

47:08 thought's gone. What I'm saying this from someone that has had enough severe concussions, you know, just at my age, Like I know what cognitive impairment looks like. And that's it. That's nothing me coming from it as like a mean human being like I do have you know, some twitchy things, memory issues. What I got on you again, vertigo that kicks it out of nowhere, Like I I know what it looks like and I would just get like roasted that I'm just being this. I'm sure you've had it where you just get yelled at because you're this, that and the other thing. It's like, No, I actually have some what I know what to look for. I know the signs and that's what's been presenting this whole time. And also, dear people of Scranton, stop let me accuse you as a.

47:49 Prop Yeah, I agree that that's that's he. Hasn't lived there in eighty years. It's it's and I can say from experience, the city is a pit of what it used to be. The end. Moving on to the rest of the debate, I'm just gonna say that from you know, the Orange Godzilla Hitler, I still love that Greg Gottfield coin that one day. Man, I don't watch them, but I saw that clip. I was like, yeah, that actually is kind of how they built him up. But yeah, he would thought. He they built the way yeah yep. Like and then Greg's like, what they made him the orange Godzilla Hitler. I'm like, that's actually pretty good. You should put that on coffee mug, you know what, And then they would buy it instant classic. But you know, I thought he did what he needed to do in their first debate back in twenty twenty. I don't know if any of you remembered. I do, as I was in there just yelling shut up the whole entire time because he didn't let Joe talk. He was just you know, where's hunter? And he was just on the attack the whole time. Agreed, Yeah, And I thought I was like, what but that? But right there with you, just all those independents that were on the fence, they were like, it's his attitude. What you just proved everything that they've ever said about you, and now you lost them. They're not going to vote for you this time around. I think he did, you know, apparently someone told him when I was yelling years ago, he acted like an adult and he just you know, did his thing. He shut his mouth, and I think that really that was a

49:23 big win. Never mind everything, you know, all everything that came out of it. My big takeaways. He acted like an adult the whole time, and I think that helped him with the independent people that were somehow still on the fence about everything, because you know, I mean, it's just been year after year they're just butchering the man. Yeah, he hasn't gotten a break the whole time. But I think he did a good job holding it together. I'll say he was much better this time around, and I think that mission accomplished. I think that I think that it was a smart move on his part. The thing about Biden is, yes, he's always been that way, and the only people that have been talking about it were those that weren't towing the line for the Democratic Party because we were paying attention.

50:06 The issue that the media has and trying to hide their support and apologize for their position is because there's only a few times that people in America pay attention to politics, and one of them is the presidential election. And now all of a sudden, everyone stops to watch when they usually don't, and now everybody's like, what and the hell is going on? Is this real? Yep? Yeah, it's been real for over four something years before he was eve elected. Well, yeah, he's been a politician for his whole life. For one, he still shouldn't even be serving the American people in my opinion at this point. But again, as you would say, conversation to have it another time, I'm sure, but Trump did the right thing because by doing what he did. And I don't know if this was under advisement. He literally just let Biden expose himself.

50:57 That's all he had to do the first time. And this because independent they're not going to watch another one. No, they watched the first one. They went whoa, And you know, I mean, I think it's going to be mussy TV if they actually do another one. I mean, I know they agreed to more. God knows if we're going to see any but I think he I don't know who told him to shut up. But God bless that man for actually finally, because he tried it last time in the second debate, but it was too late. All those independents were like, nope, he's a monster. This time he went in and acted like an adult and he said, let's not act like children. You're a child. And that was amazing that he actually said that to Joe Biden. Like, let's not act like children, you're a child. Yep, but debate over right, But he just he dotted his eyes, he crossed his t's, he did everything he had to do so.

51:46 He would think that's he was definitely poised, confident and intelligent, and he came off that way absolutely over Joe Biden. Do you here's well, let me let me switch things up. I was gonna ask you some one question, but way to go to what you've mentioned before and uh in texting back and forth and this ties into this question, or at least what I'm going to talk about. The you know what killed me about the debate was the media right away tried to say trumpled thirty two thirty four times, four hundred times. But the interesting thing that everybody missed while everybody was trying to push that rhetoric is CNN literally fact checked Joe Biden right after the debate and exposed how much he actually lied. And one of those you had your you're sensitive too was his whole not one service person died under my you know, under my presidency, and of course Afghanistan the disaster, which.

52:44 That's when I had to leave the house. Oh, I mean, please elaborate on how you feel about that. Yeah, Oh, I was. I was, I don't know, like Hannah was in. Hannah was there because she actually wanted to watch the debate this time, and I was just sitting there kind of just yeah and just holding onto my hair. And then he said that and I started. I was like, I mean, there you go, right what if that doesn't prove anything's wrong with them? Right there? I mean thirteen of them right after you took office in a coordinated attack that they knew when it was going to happen, where it was going to happen, and it still happened, and then thirteen people didn't get to go home to their families over just sheer and utter incompetence. And the only person that actually called for any accountability because there hasn't been any I'm pretty sure, was Lieutenant Colonel Schiller. That was his name, right, And we also how that worked out for him. But he's doing well now, apparently he's making lots of money talking. But I thought that him saying that was the biggest slap in the face disrespect like ever, because all of us that served, like I tried to go to Afghanistan. They're like, no, Brah, you've been here for ten months. You're going home. We're gonna to take the new guys that got here halfway through the deployment.

54:02 I'm like, we'll screw the new guys. I want to go. I did not win that argument, as you know, as a lance corporal didn't win that one. I tried, But I know a lot of people that went. My friend Alex that I mentioned earlier that got me to join, he was there and lost you know, one of his best friends. He was the best man at his wedding. Look, we all know someone that went there and did not come back home. And the way that they left with the tail between their legs and just gave everything right back over. I mean we saw it happening on TV for what weeks before, you know, everyone seemed to wake up to it. But I know a lot of people that were filling, you know, the same way when you know everything happened Iraq in the state that it's in now. Yeah, all of us that lost people, you know, I felt that we were released. You know, we had some feeling of something like it was like we were all texting each other when Afghanistan was falling apart, just in disbelief, and there's a lot of anger. There's a lot of tears, there was a lot of all of that. Just to see all of it quite literally be for absolutely nothing, and to see him say that, oh, I had to leave the house. So I called my master guns Patterson.

55:11 I called his wife because he was an ANSWER's phone, and I knew they'd have it on because they lived down in San Diego right now. And I listened to it through speakerphone while I was outside because I was pretty it salty. It was a complete disaster. How that was hanged beyond beyond a disaster, and it was it was basically just slapping America in the face. I mean, everyone who served and died, and the money we spent, everything that we did to try to stabilize that area, and in the end, he just dismisses it all with one action, and an extremely offensive action at that.

55:57 That's a very nice way of putting it. I don't have that. I don't have that nice little vernacular when it goes to that situation. But I usually have more choice words. I'm kind of holding back a bit on this one. But I mean, you heard, you heard, I've gone. I've heard a few that happened. Go back and find that one. I couldn't even tell what that was the first time back, and I still posted them on like YouTube, you know, and when I was doing, you know, everything back then was still all through anchor where I didn't even think to look and says they're explicit content. I didn't even think to hit yes, and within like thirty seconds of agoing up, they're like yeah about that, and they put that band around there themselves. I'm like, yeah, I lost tracks.

56:43 I was oh my, but that was again that happened. All the money, the Taliband's much better armed now at least they were. They're selling so much of it off, but like we actually left it in worse shape than. We Absolutely there absolutely. Caliban two point zero, their their business people. Yeah, that's why they're selling it all off to Hamas and yeah it's those weapons have ended up proven in Hamas's hands and other terrorist organizations. You know what. They just sold it all to them. So now it's all of our stuff. And I don't know if you live. I almost like I tried one time, like but I didn't want to get thrown off of you know, TikTok. I know, hey on me all you want people, It gets me, you know, to interact with actually at least a few people too, you know, which helps past the time.

57:28 But Harry Citizen I'm familiar, Like yeah, he was arguing that well, it was all out of date equipment anyway, and there I am just going please, like, and I didn't have enough followers as I was just yelling at my phone like it's all out of date equipment. I'm like, you do realize that our out of date equipment is still like, yeah, decades ahead? What a lot of those people. Have technologically way more advance than they'll ever be at for years to come. I mean, like, is it all out of date? Like? God, it's like feel statement, right, I feel? And that's the worst. Like when all of this comes cross blowing down, which hopefully now in a few months, Like I just want to know what Harry is going to do the rest of his life, because he has shot every ounce of credibility that he's ever had right out.

58:10 Of his nose, and he's like what twenty Well, I think most most social media personalities and talking heads, and I call them political entertainers to be quite honest, most these people that that's a nice way they they they have decisions to make because once Trump's in office, what are they going to do because their whole career is just built on bashing Trump? And after Joe Biden's debacle, after the secrets that we're trying to be hidden from America, have come out about his conditions and after Trump takes office again, you know, barring some other strange shenan again at two or three in the morning with ballots and whatnot.

58:53 That hey, let's not talk We're not allowed to talk about. That, fair enough. I was just throwing it out there because it's story. It's a story I got. I got. I got my former brother in law, I was friends with him for forever. I was like, He's like what I was like. But to see all those sixty thousand ballots that you have votes that came in for him, He's like, what Joe Budden was Whitney on mail ballots. He's like, Joe Budden was winning two thirds of Like, yes, two thirds, bro, what sixty thousand to like it? It's like just basic Mathlet I know, you barely graduated high school. The wait you dropped out? What what is two thirds? Like forty thousand? What you're gonna get at least one? Well, that's all I'm saying.

59:33 What those numbers did not anyway, none of them made and none of them really did add up when you can take in the population or the populace of those specific areas and districts. But one once Trump gets back into office, for example, what are they gonna do. I mean, they can continue to try to, you know, beat on him, pull him down and make them look bad. But it's his last term. Who cares? Yeah? And then what that's the thing that I mean, are we going to still have Rachel mad I was getting paid one hundred thousand dollars a day or whatever the hell she gets paid. Once there's no more Trump to talk about? I mean, what's next? What's next for these people? Do they actually care about America? I want to talk about relevant topics actually affect Americans. No, I mean, come on, I don't know what they're gonna do, but I mean four more years and then, I mean, they're just going to run for four more years, and they're just going to keep running forever, even though they realize he just keeps going and it doesn't It probably just drives them even more to well.

1:00:30 I think that's the beauty of Trump. He said, I wouldn't be here right now. If you guys just left be alone, what my life would be a lot easier. But none of you could. You're right, he did say that none to hell, and here I am. He did say that that's funny. I'd much rather be golfing right now. And that's the beauty of Trump. He knows he could stick it to him just by existing, just by being him. Breathing is like, well, yeah, who somber. Let's go on to another sensitive topic. I have a lot of opinions on this, and I'm sure you do, especially being a service member or ex marine and whatnot border security. What's your thoughts on that?

1:01:12 It's abysmal? Fun fact, by the time this finally comes out episode three, my show will probably be out. And don't you guys worry. I've got pages and pages and pages and pages and pages of numbers for everybody. I'm gonna say, it's been garbage. It has been garbage. It's going to continue to be garbage. I still like to know how. I think it was NBC ABC, one of them, like a week ago posted that Joe Biden, you know what, he dropped the numbers all the way down to eighty eight. That wasn't in June. I'm like, that's cool because I was on the Border Patrol's website and they don't have June's numbers posted yet. So I'm still try to figure out where the hell are from.

1:01:52 I don't get them trying to stop spin that. But let's just go with the only part that saw these numbers was like in the last let's say this century was George Bush. He had crazy high numbers in eight years. Those were bad. But those rate years, yeah, those rate years, I mean obviously, I mean he kept getting me lower there. Obama in eight years, his numbers actually weren't catastrophic. You know, if you look at them, they weren't good, but they weren't catastrophic. Trump had his four years, and you know, total, it wasn't that bad if you look at the numbers, like and I don't understand how people can't just just Google search it like it literally will pull up. Like I had a whole entire thing on the website that had twenty years of data just sitting there in front of my face. You know, it took me five seconds.

1:02:47 Da duh. But uh he led in more people so far right now. And that's without June's numbers. Then we had like confirmed in the last twelve years combined. Yeah. Uh. I in three and a half years, I did, I did. I did a special episode of All Back where I went over this data and I also focused in on il han Omar, one of my favorites, and I went through her past and then also talk about the border issues. And in that specific episode, I have a ton of facts and links that you could go and click on in the show notes, and I got a lot of it from the Border Patrol website. I'm just gonna say, she sucks. Oh I border sucks.

1:03:27 Let's we can get into ill hand another time, believing. Yeah, the border bill sucked. The border bill, the one listening there's there's air quotes around it, thousands of indadmissible. The funny the funny thing about the border. The funny thing about the border is three and a half years. Yeah. The funny thing about the border is that under Biden's presidency there I counted it their encounters with people and actual encounters where they actually catch people, not people that they don't catch, they get through. They already have encountered and caught and stopped seventeen hundred somewhadd terrorists known terrorists under Biden's watch alone. That number was nowhere near that under Trump's. And I think it's crazy that they want to say, oh, you know, put on one of his campaign talking points. Now, is I closed the border? No, you didn't. Nobody opposed you closing the border. I'm talking about Joe Biden. They just didn't like to kept stuffing all this money in to go to Ukraine while trying to one of those things. Yeah, but yeah, and Trump had no support. Yet somehow his numbers were about a quarter what Biden's disastrous numbers on the border are.

1:04:46 I think, like official apprehensions, you can quote me, you know, correct me where I'm wrong, But I think Trump's last three years combined barely beat Joe's first U alone. Yeah. I think if Joe's first year were then wasn't his first year about one point two or one point four million? Yeah? I have it underneath this drill sitting on here, and the cable from my microphone is sitting on top of that drill, and I'm not a chance and moving that. But it was. Somewhere up there. It was Comparatively, it was. It was one of those like numbers you just leave like what. So another thing that was proven to be a lie on Joe Biden's side, aside from the economy itself as well.

1:05:35 But yet somehow, you know, the people with the POM Poms on the Democratic side still want to cheer and jump up and down and say, no, that's a lie. Worst ever under Trump, Biden's fixing the economy, the border's the best ever. I really don't understand how in America, you know, the only way to debate improve an argument is by doing so with facts and data. And when you prevent that, how does the other person still not believe you? Yeah, I'm right there. I don't get it. On a spiritual level, I feel, you know, but uh, I did like that when you said, uh yeah, the economy thing where I don't remember which network it was, but the first thing they put up there with you know, Trum's lies what he had the best economy ever? People what Joe Biden said it too right. It will be really comparing and contrasting economies right now. I mean, that's probably not the best mark. And I also again former brother in law, he stopped talking to me whatever, but he told me I was crazy because in December of twenty twenty, I refinanced this thing. It's beautiful home of mind.

1:06:44 I'm like, but I'm never going to see a rate like this any type soon got in a quarter. Guess what jokes on him. Yeah, I mean literally and a quarter. But I know what's about to happen with Mike because I've been here. But I was paying attention while you were, you know, going out bar hopping every night. I was actually paying attention to the world. And right now what they actually still think that? I mean, hey, were we to do this. We did the same thing, you know, we saw where things were at and did a REFI it got a low rate. Now things are going back up to seven and under Biden's presidency. I mean, it seems like the American dream is not attainable anymore. Yeah, just really isn't Probably the thing that pisses me off the worst about it all. I mean, it's actually infuriates me. That was just what does you say at the bottom up in the middle, out you know the middle?

1:07:30 Is it out to the bottom and the bottom just doesn't even know what to do anymore? True? I agree with that. Yeah, Like because they say it's working for everyone. Well, the cost of everything's through the roof. That doesn't hurt rich people. Mortgage rates are through the roof. That insurance rates what I mean you name it, but interest rates for loans if you want to get anything. What everything's like. That doesn't hurt the wealthy, that only hurts the normal folks. So I mean, yeah, this is all America has to know about Biden's economic plan versus Trump's economic plan. And it was very evident when Biden made the statement that inflation does not affect the cost of goods. I have no idea where he got that information or how he even came to that conclusion. But good luck, I don't.

1:08:20 Think he knows. I mean, you're literally devaluing the dollar. How does it not affect cost of goods? As a business owner, I can tell you it absolutely affects cost of goods, cost of operations, employment tax. I mean, you name it, you name it across the board. Cost of cost of everything. Oh my, but remember remember it's not happening. It's a right wing conspiracy theory. It's transitory. It's your fault for buying things. Oh and then it was Putin's fault, even though it was already up like over double triple what it was when they took office, before Putin ever got anywhere near Ukraine. But that's again, that whole entire thing is along conversation.

1:09:02 Complete agreement. How they could blame all this on Putent when our own government is willingly funneling billions of billions of dollars to support a country who, by the way, nobody would ever do business with before because Ukraine, guess what, historically is a very corrupt government. Zelenski himself has arrested his own political opponents and has disappeared people. Yes, but somehow those facts are never talked about. Yeah, and my mentioned Crystal earlier. Her mother actually met a Ukrainian woman online through some I don't even know. I'm not even going to try to figure out how to know. But they were talking for forever and she was actually right there and Kiev when all of that was you know, and thankfully again she's in some other country now. But she was sitting there talking to like I was listening to conversations. She's like, well, do you guys don't even know the half of it? But oh, I'm sure you don't even you don't even know with this dude, I'm like, well, thank you for calling him this dude. I'm sure you actually could have said something way worse than in Ukrainian and I never would have known.

1:10:04 Thank you, Thank you for putting it into something that I'm not going to have to go and try to google later. Appreciate you than for being but hey, I just well, it's not even really trying to remember. It's just trying to because I'm taking German lessons and all that, and it's just you know, it's not Ukrainian. But when they say something, I'm like, I got like just trying to fathom how to spell it. I'm like, thank you for saying this, dude, what because I'd be sitting there for twenty minutes just trying to spell that. Then that would get me nowhere. But yeah, She's like, you guys don't even know, you'll never know. Ah, and I where it's just a it's really just a money pit, except it's money pit, funneling, washing whatever you want to ye know.

1:10:49 Oh it's a big money. It's a big money. And we're never just I mean, I don't know how you feel about it, but I don't find it to be a winnable. Situation. You're talking about winnable between for. You know Ukraine. I just know it's not. It just doesn't. They just don't have. They don't have the resources, they don't have military resources, they don't have the amount of people like, it's just one of those. I mean, they're kidnapping middle aged men. Yeah, to go fight at this point. Yeah, like it's a it's a complete I got I got note stacked up somewhere in this giant cluster of just my stacked stuff, her stacked stuff. But yeah, it's a yeah, that's that isn't money laundering. I don't know what is because that thing's just that thing sucked the whole time. But back to the moral Yeah, I don't remember where we were, but blaming Putin for it. There we go.

1:11:50 That was, well, we're talking about we're talking about Biden's disastrous statements that really was a disrespect to all American all service members. And we talked about the lower of security and I mean, basically we're just chatting about the twenty twenty four presidential election in general. And I think people need to be more informed. That's why I'm glad there's people like you and me and everyone else out there at least putting in the work. I feel like, I don't know about well, you stated earlier, you know, you felt like you had to do this. I got into this kind of for the same reason. It's it's like I'm looking at the landscape and hearing everybody just talking. I mean just they're just speaking nonsense, and I'm sitting here going, look, if this clown could be out here with a platform spewing a bunch of bullshit, then why don't I give this a shot? Why don't why don't I go ahead and tell the world a little bit about things from my perspective, but also not just an opinion, also present facts as well. I mean, let's be honest. We all have our own opinions based on our life experiences and how we go through things and what's thrown at us. I mean, we're all going to have an opinion. But in the end, there's a fact out there, and once you find those and uncover those, I believe that is the duty of people like us to go ahead and present those to the world so people can see there's a truth and an alternate way

1:13:22 of thinking or looking at it. And even if we don't convince somebody, at least we threw it out there and they had the opportunity to educate themselves. Just to be quite honest, Jesse, I'll tell you I listened sometimes to some liberal or democratic podcasts and news, and there's some times I'll go, oh, okay, I get it. I get their point. It makes sense, but not It's not always the majority of time that that is the case, but it does. There's some things where I'm like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. So the problem I have, and I don't know how you feel about this, especially being in the political space as a podcaster or you know, whatever you want to call us these days, is I tried so hard to stay neutral, to look at both sides and present things from both sides, whether they were fact fiction whether and call someone out on their ship as I usually say. But to be quite honest, it got harder and harder for me to stay neutral at times.

1:14:16 Oh yeah, how do you how do you feel about that statement? One thousand percent? But the thing that I've been you know, I've worded it as nicely as I can lately, because Hannah's always all one. Sometimes you start, I'm like, sometimes they leave me no other option. But is. These people out there and again this goes you know, because there's people on both sides that this, you know, goes along with. But people let their opinions make up what the facts actually are. And whether they're going to listen, Unlike letting the facts change their opinion. Their opinion is changes the facts, and I think that when that happens as much as it does, because it's all over everywhere, I mean, I don't know. I I mean I do try to, you know, watch both sides of the argument, you know, and try to keep tabs just to see because I mean, again, like you said, every once in a while, I'm like that actually makes sense. Not very often, but every once in a while they hit, you know, something out of the ball or you're like they actually aren't lying there, and it completely blows my mind. But there are certain topics where I just I she's even come in here, like while I was in mid recorning and open the door. She's like, dude, And if you go back, you can even probably find some of those episodes where she's you're the door creaking open, She's like, bro, Like what I tried, I tried.

1:15:45 What but please please just tone it down. Like I heard too, what I try to be nice to like I try, But there's just sometimes where they're just spewing just so much garbage and so many people are eating into it, you know, just eating played after played after plate of it, even though it takes nine seconds to like, and they're like even people have known forever, literally coming at me, just screaming, saying that I'm out of my mind and on this, that and the other thing, even though I'm like, and I'll send them the link and be like, no, really, dude, like that's straight from his own people, right, it's their website. That's not me what that's that And they're still defending it and saying that. I'm like, so they make it kind of hard at times to uh stay neutral, as I mean, I always try anymore, like I'm trying to be again, I'm all grown up now, Yeah, right, trying, But yeah, it's it's ever hard, I'd say, in today's climate, it's almost like to be able to do that.

1:16:47 Yeah, it seems it seems a time that it's really fanatical, and it can be fanatical on both sides, and sometimes I feel like it's really arguing one religion and over another because it's mostly faith based decisions, you know, as you would say, their opinions, but it seems like they're operating on faith more than fact. And that happens on our side too. On the conservative side. I mean that happens on. I am not a far right fan, to be quite honest, it does get to a point where it goes a little too far. I mean, you know, let's make sense of things. There's there's crazy people on both sides, everybody absolutely and in between yes and truth side, you don't even know where sides. Yeah, that's absolutely absolutely true. I well, I hope I hope that. Uh. I hope that the message gets out there more, you know, not the indoctrinating message, but the message of you know, truth for example, presenting facts and maybe even opposing views that will help you see things differently.

1:17:50 And that that's always been my hope. Yeah, And we used to actually, like that's the thing that has irritated me most because I don't again I could, I was so young, so many head injuries ago, I couldn't. But we actually used to have that where we'd have like a person from each side, like on TV together, on shows together, just like debating the things and going back and forth. And that was the whole entire premise of their thing. Now can't even be in like most of them can't even be in the same room as one another, and it's just so I want to say, tribal and fanatical, and it's just I don't know, I don't have an actual word for that. Surprisingly well, and aside of aside from people just reading the headlines and not going into the details, I think the other problem that may have led to where we are now is you don't have a good representation of what an actual debate is. As you said, you know, for the last I don't know, let's say eight to ten years, maybe more debates on the news as they would like to call themselves, And that's me air quoting is just a bunch of people on the screen yelling over each other and not really having a conversation, so you can't even make sense of what the holl's going on. Also, the presidential debates have gotten that way. It's more about slinging slanders and trying to make people look bad, like there are a bunch of schoolyard children right, just just trying to insult each other than focusing on the actual issues and debating on those actual issues. And they get elected based on their popularity or how bad someone scolds the other and makes them look ridiculous, when it really

1:19:21 should be based on what are their policies, what do they believe in, and how does this affect America. I don't know why we got away from that or how that was acceptable to get away from that. I mean, that's why I don't watch like any of the primary debates, especially what they're in the Democrats. Last time, they had like seventeen people on the stage at one point, Like it was just mud slinging the whole time, and you know, that's what God is here. But I think again, like I said I said earlier, I think it's it's all been by design. They're just how they've set it up, so everyone's just so busy are doing with each other, like literally every I mean it's just like again, go on anything, everyone's there just you know, arguing with each other and throwing mud and everything else that they do.

1:20:08 And it makes it it's by design because I mean, look at us all now, look at how many I mean, everything's just that way, whether it's on you know, news things and you turn on any social media influencer, I meny news headlines, I mean debates, everything's just mud slinging and so much vitriol across you know sides that now everyone's so busy doing that that no one gives a damn about what the stats are. No one cares about looking up anything. They're just so busy arguing with one another that you know, now, that's all anyone sees. And I think that makes it, you know, a lot easier for people to be like, that's what we're supposed to do and tribalism, And I think that's the best word I can come up with for it. And I think that's what's gotten us so ignorant, I believe is the word you used, because it's easy to do whatever you want when everyone's too busy arguing with one another all the time. And that's all it's been for I don't know.

1:21:07 I mean, it's been a long time. It's really really really really turned up to a million since a certain guy came down and escalator that there has been like civil conversations anywhere since then. It's just name calling the whole entire time, no matter where you turn, yes, and it makes them, it makes it a lot easier than to be like what best border numbers ever? And we're just sitting there like in Worsting, they're going, ehh, yeah, except for most people are just going yep, sure, yeah, they see the headline, they keep moving on and they're just too busy, just attacking all the time. It's like it's put the society just in high alert mode how all the time. And I don't know, how do you feel about our future as a country right now?

1:21:50 The direction we're going? I mean right now? I mean I still have all the faith. I mean, you still have to have faith no matter how things are. But I think we're gonna need because anything could be turned around, except for my marriage that couldn't. But that's another story. We tried, but anything could be turned around. I just think it's gonna take so much work to get us there. And I have faith. I mean I always try to. I mean I always want to see the good. Yeah, you always try to see the best in everybody in every situation, even people who don't like you, at least in my experience, because you know that leads to you know, bad things down the road, having all those feelings. You know, for me personally, I tried to see the best. I hope for the best. I think, you know, everything can be turned around, but we just need to have like the biggest fire hose known to mankind like ever just sprayed down on everyone to douse the flames because everything's just been so go, go go for so long, and I just don't know how long it's gonna take, you know, if we get a chance to you know, get everything going in the right direction again, because I mean, I know people that are related to people that you know, stopped talking since everything just got so.

1:23:12 Yeah, so polarized. Right, yeah, like everything's just so like I know, like literal family members that don't talk just because they're on separate you know, like political sides. I'm like, you guys could still talk, you know, like you like, that's that's how you actually perpetuate the problem and don't get anywhere. Is again, no one can have conversations. It's just screaming matches all the time. And until we start doing that, you know, and having conversations, yeah, nothing's going to get turned back around. But I always have faith that, I mean, it's America, right, yes, I mean we've all been through some things. I mean through everything in my life, all you know, trials and tribulations. Just like everyone else, you can turn things around as long as you have the right mindset. And again, I funny you know, finally, after everything that happened before I got ran over, I finally was like screw man when everything's good, and I finally started turning the sheet, when a lot of things finally started you know, dying down, turning around, and you know, I just and I stayed positive and it worked that.

1:24:20 I mean, if you have a positive mindset, we can get through anything. I believe, so honestly believe that. I believe it's all you got to have. And that starts, you know, everything, the wheels turning in the proper direction. We have to get everybody there, and the flames desperately need doaust because I mean powder keg. Good energy is infectious, right, yes, absolutely, and it will and it will definitely put out negative energy for sure. Yes, I believe that. So I don't think it's I don't think it's yeah as hopeless as some people do. I think, you know, again, I was positive. There's always you know, there's always hope. Nothing's you know, to quote John Rambo, thing is over nothing, good Old Rambo Hey, first blood, but that was a classic.

1:25:06 But absolutely nothing is over nothing. You don't just turn it off and it you know, and that good is still in everybody. I just don't think anyone's calmed down and took a breath long enough to realize just how turned up everything has been. I I'm gonna say, I'm kinda well. I am glad that we ran into each other, even if it was through you know, text messaging and zoom and whatnot. I have a feeling you and I are gonna have many more conversations, to be honest. H Hey, I'm down. I want to uh, we'll probably wrap this up here soon, but I do want to ask you about your artwork that you brought up before. H What is that about?

1:25:50 Can you explain what you're doing there? Well? You see, ah, this came about last year or me and my girlfriend's anniversary, because I spent all my money on Yeah, because I didn't have a lot, to be honest here, I mean, things were a lot you know, more chaotic in life, yeah, at this point, you know, at that point last year. But I did it just a paint or something because she like sentimental things and she had like art supplies around and stuff, and so I painted, like you know, our first camping trip that we did together. Like I put that on there, and if you look at it now compared to some of the stuff I did, I just laugh, like, literally you can tell what it is, but who.

1:26:36 Of your skill? Right? Oh yeah, Like it was a rapid, rapid ascension in my Yeah that's awesomely so that's what everyone tells me. But yeah, like I want to say, I don't remember when, but it was well over a year ago. I lost my mental health doctor at the VA uh again just because yeah, she moved on HHS offered more money. I don't blame her. I know what her caseload was with people you know here where I am, trust me, I know. I lost my primary care doctor, which I still haven't had now again over a year and they still whole other thing. And yeah, there's a lot of things just you know, irking me again. Like I told you, last year was just you know, rough between health stuff, you know, untimely deaths of people, you know all that. Like I just started painting and I found it to actually be quite therapeutic to just sit down and have a vision in my head and just go. And you know, I've started off with that archaic thing like it's awesome, but I've gone everywhere from you know, painting Captain Spaulding from Rob Zombie's House of a Thousand Corpses, Like his face turned out outstanding. Hid a whole lot of wrenches during Christmas times for people I gave him way as gifts like it was pretty outstanding, A real monsters. That was

1:28:07 one of my favorites that I did. I don't know how it turned out as well, especially as I painted the background colored like nine times because I never liked it. But that's at a new home and really I just started, I was like, let this actually because you know, it just sits down and you know, do you just have to put your mind on that and it helps, you know, actually clear a lot of you know, bad space out of your head if you do, you know, have any kind of stuff, you know again life in general, head injuries, PTSD, all those fun things. You know. It just it was really good and therapeutic and it helped, yeah, deal with a lot of things when the VA wasn't there, you know. And again I don't blame my doctor. She had her caseload.

1:28:47 I couldn't tell you the number, but it was just through the roof NonStop all the time. I didn't have anything. I didn't have anyone to reach out with her that I felt actually aired again. That could just be my area here. I do have the great there all just in the you know, ever in the world now. So doctor Oaster, that's a shout out to you, because he handles everything for me now and he is a saint. And I told him you better never leave. He chuckled. I'm like, I'm not laughing, bro, You're not going anywhere. But I use that as just, you know, a form of therapy. And I tried to turn it, you know, like, you know, just if I can make a few extra dollars in the process, then you know, that helped too. But really it was just as a form of therapeutic thing, and there were just so many of them stacking up that I do it that way. And when I go down and see my other veteran friends when they're around, you know, I bring them art supplies and we sit down and we just you know, throw some pain around and just laugh and reminisce. And I find it, you know, to be just a really good form of therapy to do.

1:29:45 I highly recommend it to everybody. I mean, because even if you don't think you're that good, I mean doing it, it really is a good way to help you clear your head and get a lot of that dark matter out of there and clear your headspace. So that's all it was. Enjoy it though I haven't done anything in a few months. Last painting I did was for my parents. It was my first underwater or anything. It was my first shark, dude, Like, everyone's like, that's a great shark. Like, yeah, and I'm not painting another one, h No worrying I will though, but yeah, I just used as a form of therapy and it turned into just I had so much and people, you know, really appreciated it, you know, more than I did, even because I was just doing it to clear my headspace and painting things that I liked and art therapy. It's a hell of a medicine and it's a lot better for you than any of the stuff they try to pump into your system through the VA. Again, that's a whole other day's worth of conversation we can have about the VA.

1:30:46 One of my uncles was on vacare. I know another person who is on VACARE. I mean, I've had some interactions I myself know, but I've seen what they have gone through, and I think that would be a great episode to where where you can revisit that conversation. For sure, so therapeutic, just like this. I hope, I hope that after this episode gets released that this helps drive more traffic to your podcast, that Jesse Razinsky Show. Also though, you know, bring up your artwork and you have some items for selling Etsy. How can people support your efforts because a lot of people don't realize being an independent podcaster, we don't make money doing this. It's very rare that we make anything at all, and we put a lot of time, lots of time trying to make these things happen. So how can people support your efforts?

1:31:44 If you go on I got the Facebook page, Instagram and I think it's on x on exit's Jay Razinsky Paints, just because you only have so many characters. Otherwise it's Jesse Razinskys on everything that's the handle on Etsy as well. You could see everything that's on there, and you could definitely see the ones that are older on there that I just look at and I go, I'll just give it to sell one for free if they pay for shipping. At this point, you know there's some of them, but Jesse Razinsky Creations on there and you know, on Etsy, and you could also mean message me on there if you have something custom that you'd like done, just you know, if I could do it, I'll do it because I've had people you know, do that, and that's actually turned out to be some of the better things that I've done, even though I will say that the backside of Alcatraz and the Golden gate Bridge is probably the best thing I ever did, or the Grinches mugshot, but those are you know, arguments to have another day. But yeah, Jesse Razinsky Creations on Etsy and there's stuff there again. I used to I'm going to try to start painting more.

1:32:48 I've just been putting more time into you know, getting the show back, going in and getting all, you know, everything proper and done right. So I haven't updated anything, so I haven't touched anything. I mean I've touched the paint. I haven't done anything. I haven't found that right motivation because I've been doing the show. But if you go on Jessersinska Creations free shipping, I'll do a custom anything if I can do it. And again it helps bring a little bit of stuff. I used some of it to help get a you have to pay for what I get. I got a micro I got my microphone right here with money from that, so I didn't have to go out of pocket for that, so I could actually have a decent microphone. So it does help. And no, we don't really make any money off of doing it, so every little bit, you know, it helps and a piece of me is on that canvas.

1:33:38 So well, at this point, how often do you drop an episode? Every Wednesday? Every Wednesday? So since once a week you're releasing an episode, you got a new one coming out already tomorrow morning, tomorrow, so everything releases were recording on Tuesday, July ninth, So July tenth, there will be a new episode and every Wednesday after that. So I encourage everybody to go listen to the Jesse Razinski Show. I hope that you get a ton of traffic there and a lot of support. I just want to thank you for your time. I really do. I appreciate the conversation. Thank you, Oh this is good. Thank you for reaching out like U again, like I've been like I was honestly like it was one of those like I saw and I'm like, am I being punked?

1:34:22 No? Not this doesn't happen ever, and then I think I just dated myself. Oh shit, job Ashton Kutcher. But I just you just got punked. Yeah, and but time is precious, and you know, to get to sit down and talk to anybody you know and have an actual conversation again doesn't happen all the time. And to get to hit a bunch of stuff is you know, very appreciative anyone that's listening, you know, to this, even if you don't check me out, but like you for listening to us, because you know, again, once you go through enough and you but the older you get, all the times you're growing up and they're like, time is precious and you're like, yeah, sure, and I'll get out of the way because you have a million things to do. What time really it is? And even if my brain never turns off until about an hour or so after I take my sleeping beds from the VA, shout out to that that's the one good thing they do. And really they're both my grant suppressors. They just happen to render me unconscious, which is great because I don't sleep otherwise. Yeah, my brain's always going, and yeah, just to let me into her wherever you are, your car, your house, whatever.

1:35:27 I appreciate the time, and you ask what I'll do it again. I'm glad you're doing. I hope people find you and I encourage them to listen to your show. So again, thanks for your time, and I know that you and I will have more conversations for sure. Actually I'm very very sure though, so yes, sir, all right, well, thank you, thank you,