Sara Alessandrini - Filmmaker, Documentarian, and Political Commentator

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okay thank you once again everybody for tuning into another world ablaze with

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your host george font me um i have a special guest as you can see sarah alessandrini

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director filmmaker documentarian all around political commentator and as we're talking

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offline what's interesting to me is you're italian you're from italy you're here in the u.s

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you live in LA, but yet you took an interest in New York politics and really following what's

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happening out there. And I guess all started, if I'm correct, around that COVID and post-COVID

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area as it was concerning in the beginning. Andrew Cuomo, is that correct to say?

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Yes. Okay. So here's the deal. I know you want to talk about a lot of things. I do want to talk

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a little bit about your documentary. We don't have to dwell on it too much because I know you

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have many varied interests, but I want to talk about it because I think that's going to lead

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the conversation into how you became to the point you're at now and your interest in American

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politics and especially where you are now and how you view New York politics. There's so much talk

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about, obviously, with the Democratic Socialists being elected as New York mayor, a lot of things

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happening there. And obviously, we're going to get into your opinion here in the US being an

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immigrant and what you think of immigration policy and how things are being handled right now

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under the Trump administration.

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But firstly, why?

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Why did you do this documentary?

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Being someone from Italy, coming to New York,

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what was your interest in your politics

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and particularly, I mean, in particular,

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your interest in Andrew Cuomo in that situation?

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Yeah, very specifically about Andrew Cuomo.

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Yeah, like the why.

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Obviously, it's been a long journey

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because I filmed the documentary.

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It was like two or three months after he resigned.

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It was October of 2021.

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So this has been a very long journey

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because I made it first as a feature documentary.

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and then after I went to film festivals,

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I was like, I need to make it into a miniseries.

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And then it was a long work to make it in a miniseries.

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And so I released it in June of this year.

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So obviously we're talking about a very long journey

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of like more than four years.

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And for your audience, I don't live in New York.

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So it's even crazier the situation

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because I was born and raised in Italy.

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Obviously I lived there.

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And then I moved to Los Angeles 10 years ago.

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So I live in Los Angeles, but yeah, exactly during COVID, I learned about Andrew Cuomo, obviously.

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So it was during that time that I was watching him.

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And that's where I start thinking about New York politics.

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I mean, obviously, I always loved New York.

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So my heart was always there.

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I always thought maybe one day I will move there.

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So obviously, it's not so random that I thought about doing this.

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But yeah, it was during COVID, obviously.

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So, yeah, people have a lot of different opinions about Cuomo and the way he handled COVID.

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Obviously, like for me, I was always interested in politics.

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Not always, not since I was born, but like, let's say in the last 15 years,

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I loved like when I was living in Rome, I was very interested in politics and everything.

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But then I decided to cut politics from my life, honestly.

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I was trying to stay away from it.

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I was just trying to focus on my life and not really care too much about politics.

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Because, I mean, that's just like, you're always jumping from one topic to the next one.

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The media, there is always something so important that you have to think about.

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They want to dictate what you have to care about.

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And even when you start caring about the topic, then because of the way the system,

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especially like our modern area like people are not interested in the same topic for more than

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what like a week or something then people move on to something very quickly so it's not for me

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I'm more like I'm gonna deep dive into something if I really care for something and I don't like

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people telling me what I should care and what I should not care so in general I don't deal well

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with those kind of people and so during COVID yeah I just I was not trying to care about politics

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but I really love the way he was thinking about government,

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like focusing on like doing the hard work

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and not just doing what the people want you to say,

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not what the people always tell you that you have to do,

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like doing the hard work and getting things done.

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So I'm not just talking about it,

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especially I come from Italy.

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So like politics over there, it's very much,

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people complain, I always say about this country,

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but this is not this bad as people make it to be

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because yeah, like even in Italy,

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like there is no way to make any change.

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at all. It's just such a slow process, even just the way the law is built. Don't even think about

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the individual politicians that might be corrupted or anything. It's just like the way the law is.

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It's very slow and it's very elite in a way. To even think about the random person to go into

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politics, it's very structured. You have to do in a very specific way. You cannot just get involved

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like in this country actually it's much easier to think there are so many ways to get involved for

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people it's not just you have to there is no specific way to do it and so i just got passionate

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about politics again by listening by seeing covid obviously i'm sure we all have very different

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opinions about covid and everything but but yeah like that's what brought me back into this and

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then when there were the accusation of sexual harassment that made me think i was like okay

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I follow this guy, I watch him.

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Am I ready to change my opinion about him

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just because someone that I don't know made an accusation?

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And the way, like, obviously as a woman,

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I think like now there is so much pressure

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that you have to believe everybody

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instead of asking your own questions.

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And again, I don't like people telling me

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what I need to believe and what I should not believe.

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So I always support asking questions

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and then we go from there.

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But I'm for fairness and for truth

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And so, yeah, that's how I got involved.

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And then he was forced to resign, obviously.

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And then I was like, I have to do something.

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And I took one bad decision.

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And I kept taking bad decision for like four years.

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Bad decision.

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But so the thing about COVID, though, is it put politics front and center for everybody

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because you couldn't ignore it anymore.

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And that's one of the things I've said many times when I talk to people is most people go on Facebook

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on through with their lives, right?

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Day to day with their head buried in the sand

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because they don't want to care about politics.

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They just want to get on with their lives.

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They know they have to go to work,

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drop the kids off at school, whatever it is.

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And the only thing they can even connect with,

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if they even connect with it,

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but they'll gleam the headline.

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They never go any deeper.

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So that is how people view politics mostly.

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They don't realize how much it affects you

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until COVID happened.

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Then you were forced to realize how it affects you

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because politicians were making decisions

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for how you can live your life, what you can do, what you can't do.

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So I completely understand why you became attracted to politics at that time

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because you had to care.

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There was nothing else going on that you could focus on, really.

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It was all about what the government was telling you what to do, period.

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Can you shop? Can you work? Et cetera.

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But let's get back to your documentary.

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Now, I'm going to go through it a bit.

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And here's what I found interesting.

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what you said about headlines,

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not just taking what people say for face value, for example,

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diving deeper, that's exactly what you should be doing.

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So what I found interesting is you were one of the few documentarians

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when it came to politics that was not necessarily biased.

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At least I didn't see that.

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I'm not really sure which politics are, but it's neither here or there.

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What I really saw was more of presenting what happened

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in a way that someone can make their own decision.

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And what was even more interesting,

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and this is something that I've talked about before,

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I wonder what you feel about,

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is that you talked about this situation

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and other situations that affect

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the average person in New York.

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It wasn't like you were trying to interview

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top-level politicians, elitists, et cetera,

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however you want to coin it.

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You were just grabbing people off the street,

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asking their opinions.

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And it was interesting to find that

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they themselves were not necessarily believing what was in the media.

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They themselves were not believing what they were being told on social media.

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And they were starting to question themselves, like, is this reality?

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Are we being forced to believe this?

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It's like they were being led, you know?

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It was like the Pied Piper leading all the rats or whatnot.

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And it's like they themselves said that, you know, there's something going on here.

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There's something behind it.

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so that is what interested me.

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I wanted to know this.

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I'm going to ask you this.

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Based on everything you did, okay,

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and what you were researching

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and what was going on behind the scenes,

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do you feel, after seeing everything,

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was there something nefarious going on?

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Do you believe that Andrew was set up

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to take the fall?

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Was there something going on

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to where the DNC, the Democratic Party,

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was working against him at the time,

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or was there something else going on?

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Did you find any evidence of that?

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Personally, yeah.

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I mean, I think it's more like the DSA is the big issue right now.

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So yeah, definitely like a lot of things I would respond to what you said.

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First of all, I'm glad you said that you don't feel that documentary is biased

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because I'm very much in support of Andrew Cuomo.

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So I always say I try to make my documentary in a way that is like more balanced

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and it's not about me and my opinions.

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It's really just to get people to listen to what other people are saying.

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and yeah i definitely wanted like real people over there i didn't want the fancy famos i didn't want

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glamour i didn't want like big names because i just wanted to hear what real people have to say

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and i feel like a lot of documentaries a lot of movies or in general people in the media they

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always want to hear um like some only like people that like are already famos or something like that

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i want to do something very different like real people and also going back to what you were saying

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like when the media ask these kind of questions of people on the street

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I think the problem like if someone just like randomly ask you a question

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then you just say whatever you think people want to hear

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I don't think you really respond what you really think so my documentary

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is different that's a good thing because the interviews were

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pretty long so I mean the shorter one was like 10 minutes

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but then a lot of them were like an hour an hour and 30 minutes

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So people, you get to really see who they really are.

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Because that's what I wanted to do.

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Because, yeah, I think that a lot, like, you know, why the polls are never true anymore.

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Because, okay, you stop someone on the street.

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Maybe they don't want to tell you that they're voting for Trump or for Cuomo.

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But they tell you just because it looks better on them, depending on who you are.

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So, and people feel afraid about saying what they think because they're so afraid of being judged.

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Do you think people are succumbing to social pressures?

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Yeah, and I see a lot in this country.

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That's in general.

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Everybody cares about what other people think,

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but I see a lot, especially in this country,

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compared to other countries where you feel forced to believe certain things.

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And in politics, obviously, there are those things, as I was saying,

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you cannot even question what a woman is saying,

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because otherwise you're a horrible human being.

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That's not how we achieve a good society in general,

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anywhere and anywhere.

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There are good actors and bad actors everywhere.

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So like you have only a good system

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only if you're able to actually ask those questions

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and to make sure that the real people

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that are the victim are protected,

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not that everybody becomes a self-diagnosed victim,

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obviously.

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So there is that.

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What was interesting though,

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is that there's two things

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and this is what's going on right now.

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is it revealed or exposed the huge disconnect

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versus social media and the real world.

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And a lot of people who bury their eyeballs into the screen

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and bury their heads into social media,

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especially on X,

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they believe that that is the sentiment

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and that is the narrative

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and that is the belief of everybody

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who has paid attention to politics.

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But in this case, for example,

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with your documentary,

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I noticed that wasn't what was happening.

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People were easily able to separate and realize what they're saying here on X is not what's

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happening out here in the real world.

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And we live in New York and we going to tell you that all bullshit So that what was interesting I think a lot of people need to realize that put the damn phone down have a conversation with real people face and figure out what really happening

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So what I liked about your documentary is it did expose that.

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And I don't know if it was intentional or not, but that's what I got out of that when

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people were talking about the narratives, for example, when they're talking about media

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and social media.

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So how is it, in your opinion, though...

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How do you feel about America?

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Because in terms of politics,

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after doing this documentary,

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because it's like,

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we even say that.

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I say this as well.

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Many of the people that I talk to say this.

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It's like you're being conditioned.

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You're being conditioned to believe a certain thing.

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And we're always being told,

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wow, there's no bad actors

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and there's no one behind the curtain, for example,

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or anyone manipulating the strings

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to what's happening.

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But yet, when you watch a documentary,

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you can clearly see there is something going on.

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So in your opinion, is that truth?

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Do you think that's factual or is it people's perception?

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Because here's the deal.

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Andrew Cuomo on one side was loved, correct?

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It was loved by many.

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And all of a sudden, these allegations came out.

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And we're going to get back to what you keep bringing up about not questioning a woman

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because I did hear that.

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But I'm going to get to that a little bit later.

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And then these accusations came out.

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And now all of a sudden, he fell from grace.

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I mean, he was on track to possibly be, possibly be the Democratic nominee for president because at the time Biden was failing.

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And then all of a sudden he wasn't.

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It was almost like there was a concerted effort to get him out.

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Now, reality is he's not really a Democrat.

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He's more of a centrist.

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You know, he probably leans left.

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So in your opinion, is there really someone behind the curtain, for example?

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Is there someone pulling the levers, someone manipulating everything?

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Do you think that that was possibly the situation here with Andrew?

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because it seemed like that was what was happening.

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It seemed like his own party was working against him at that time.

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Yeah, I mean, that's what it was.

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It was mainly like his own party that wanted to get rid of him.

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So I think there are like different levels.

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A lot of people had a lot of different interests.

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And I think it's very much connected to where we are today

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with the socialists actually in New York City.

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Because like he was always, yeah, you're saying like he's more a centrist

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and that's what everybody perceives him right now.

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At least, yeah, he's more moderate for sure.

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Yeah, because obviously he's someone who believes you have to be conservative in the way you spend your money.

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You definitely need to have programs, but not just waste money.

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He had more like a private organization type of mentality, more than public.

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So he wanted to make government work and not waste money.

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So obviously he's not about random spending.

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So in that sense, yeah, he's more similar to Republicans.

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And he's like one of those people that still believe that you need to work for everybody.

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Like even if you're on the left, you should not just do what the left say.

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Like you're technically represent everybody.

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You have to make left and right work because that's the only way to actually have a good society.

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We're like, we get a balance in between the two poles.

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So definitely he was that type of person, but he was clashing a lot with the very left wing of the party,

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which was like people like AOC,

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like they always talk a lot about

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he was trying to get a deal in New York City

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to have Amazon to build like warehouses

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so they could bring like,

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I think it was 15,000 jobs.

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Right, the distribution centers?

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Yeah, so like that way he would build jobs

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so that like we talk about

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we need more opportunities for people,

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but then the far left was against that

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because they didn't want Amazon and all of that.

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So there were a lot of like these clashes.

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and now like the the democrats i think they hated cuamo anyway like the the regular democrats like

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the chuck schumer and all of that they had issues with cuamo and so i think they just wanted to get

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rid of him because they couldn't stand the way he was working in government how he was pushing

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people to to get the job done so there was all of that and then the far left i mean you saw the

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documentary there is a second like there's not much more there was a time also the political

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reported on this group of people on the far left that they were meeting on one of those clubhouse

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so they were trying to find ways to get him down like to to get rid of them and this was i think

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march of 2021 so not around the time there were the accusation of sexual harassment so there was

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a lot going on behind the scenes for sure and i think also like the that's the point of like the

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the sa the working family party like the sa is an organization it's not a party but the people that

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are endorsed and all of that like aoc and everything so i think they wanted any way to

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to get to get the power i think it's the power that they want but so now we see how much they've

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been taking a different position around the country, like city council and everything.

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And now they got the first big position with Mamdani in office.

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So I think it was a lot of that too.

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Let's, okay.

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So let's, let's go there then, uh, since we're, we're already kind of talking about that

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democratic socialists, your opinion, like why, why is it, why is it that the left seems

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to be so accepting of socialism and you could put Democrat in front of it, but it's still

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socialism and it's still, you know, it's still something that was a bit of an idea of Karl Marx.

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It's basically directly related to communism in general. So, in your opinion, what is going on

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with that? What do you think of American politics right now, the Democratic Party, and why is there

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such a push for socialism, which really seems to be a movement towards communism?

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Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.

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Like, I think it's just a fancy name,

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democratic socialism.

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I think like a lot of people,

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it's just like something intermediate

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before you get to that point.

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Right.

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And so, yeah, I mean, to me as an immigrant,

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I see that like, I think American people

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like to create their own definitions about everything.

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So it's like, doesn't matter what actually something means,

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doesn't matter what something actually is,

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we're going to make it our own thing.

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And so I think a lot of people think that socialism just means whatever they wanted to believe

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and doesn't mean what actually meant in a lot of ways.

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Well, I think it's intentional conditioning.

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It's like if you say it a certain way enough, you get people to accept it, right?

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Yeah.

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So it becomes familiar.

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For example, just saying the word socialist, but if you put democratic, make it democratic

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socialist and it becomes more accepting.

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It's like, well, it doesn't sound so bad.

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It's democratic, right?

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Maybe it fits our system.

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So I think it's just really a matter of conditioning people to accept what is to come.

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But the problem is they don't realize that socialism is very detrimental to our system

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here in the West, especially our system in the United States, Democratic Republic.

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And so compared to, for example, Italy or other countries that you've been to and where

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you have experienced politics in general, why do you think these Americans,

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obviously Americans

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are being so accepting

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of this change

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like what is their real ire

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because here's the deal

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everyone's complaining

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about capitalism

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while using capitalism

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to go ahead

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and push the messaging

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so that they can now

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turn the country

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into something

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that is anti-capitalist

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it just doesn't make

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any sense to me

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I mean I think it's

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it's just safe

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it's just easier

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to believe

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that the problem

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is the system

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like obviously

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I'm coming from Italy

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Italy has a very strong safety net.

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And if I came to this country and left Italy,

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it's probably because I didn't think it was a good idea.

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Because obviously, I'm here.

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And even the way I was able to make my documentary,

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it's thanks to capitalism.

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And so people here, I think they think,

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okay, we can build the system that we have

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and maintain the good things of it

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when we change the structure.

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But changing the structure is going to improve the things

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that we're not happy about it.

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But I mean, even like when I hear the conversation about the free healthcare, like obviously I come from a country that has healthcare.

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So yes, I can see how much you can benefit from healthcare to be public, but it's not the solution that people think it is.

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Once you actually go and you see how the system works, and a lot of people, they still go to a private clinic.

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They don't go to the public very often.

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So it's a very complex topic.

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Obviously, we're not going to cover this in two seconds, but that's the same thing.

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they think that it means something.

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When actually you see the implementation, it's not.

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So some people, and I think even there,

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there is a split between like in those people on the left,

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there are some that are really like, okay, socialism,

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they want to go Marxism and everything or fully socialist.

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Other people think that democratic socialism

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is a capitalism with safety net.

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That's what they think.

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That's what they think.

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Which is not what it is.

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Right.

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Right. But I mean, you know, it's like taking China as example.

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It was a full-on communist country.

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Now it's really more authoritarian.

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They had to abandon communist ways, especially when it came to economics,

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because they were not keeping up with the rest of the world economically.

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So they had to resort to a capitalist system in terms of trade and commerce

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so that they can get the money they need to expand and be who they are.

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So they're not even full communist anymore.

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They're authoritarian for sure.

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But, you know, in the end, I mean, it's been proven more often than not

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in every single instance around the world

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that communism doesn't work,

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socialism doesn't work.

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But yet, maybe America's had it too good.

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Maybe they don't know any different.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's the thing.

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Like, if you have never seen anything different

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than this country,

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and I think that's a problem in general

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because a lot of these people

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that hate this country

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because they say they hate the country,

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it's not just like,

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we're making it up.

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Like, they hate whatever,

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how it was founded.

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Everything is wrong about this country.

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Those people don't actually go outside.

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They don't live.

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They don't have experience in other countries

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where actually they can see how it functions.

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And probably they're rationalizing it in their mind anyway,

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because they're like, oh, but the other people are doing it bad

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because they don't know how to do it, because they are corrupt.

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But once we'll do it, it's going to be better.

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So I think there is a lot of bad.

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And unfortunately, it's also a lot of people that think about that.

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I'm thinking about the Mandani people, like people like Mandani.

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They're incompetent people too.

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It's people that don't even have experience.

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they never done anything in their life

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but they're like oh but if I

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in charge of government if I'm in charge

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of a company I would do it better

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yeah

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I like what you said because

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to be honest you know I think people

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hold politicians

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up on a pedestal

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they put them up on a pedestal too often

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and not even realizing they're just humans

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they're not doing anything any different than you and I could do

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and they're in position

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the position they're in because they just won a popularity

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contest not because they're necessarily good at what they do and and i think ma'am danny was a

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very good example of that like what did he do with his life i mean yeah that's the thing outside of

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campaign good i guess i don't know yeah i mean he didn't like beside what he was like an assembly

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member obviously for four years he passed only three bills so it didn't really do much he had a

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career as a rapper.

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Yeah, so he worked a few months

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here and there,

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like in advocacy

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and like some campaigns.

487
00:24:44,829 --> 00:24:45,549
Yeah, definitely,

488
00:24:45,749 --> 00:24:46,929
he never even did the job.

489
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:48,829
Like he never even worked

490
00:24:48,829 --> 00:24:50,369
as a waiter

491
00:24:50,369 --> 00:24:51,509
or something like that

492
00:24:51,509 --> 00:24:52,569
because people think

493
00:24:52,569 --> 00:24:53,989
that he's the voice

494
00:24:53,989 --> 00:24:55,089
of the working class,

495
00:24:55,529 --> 00:24:56,569
the face of the working class.

496
00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:58,449
He's never had a real job

497
00:24:58,449 --> 00:24:59,609
like most people.

498
00:24:59,809 --> 00:25:00,109
Well, Sarah,

499
00:25:00,209 --> 00:25:01,409
that's the absurdity of it.

500
00:25:01,449 --> 00:25:02,229
That is the example

501
00:25:02,229 --> 00:25:03,609
that we were just talking about

502
00:25:03,609 --> 00:25:05,489
or at least the example I was trying to make,

503
00:25:05,929 --> 00:25:07,749
you have someone who came from a rich family,

504
00:25:07,849 --> 00:25:09,129
never had a real job,

505
00:25:09,549 --> 00:25:10,629
was handed everything to him.

506
00:25:10,689 --> 00:25:11,129
I mean, come on.

507
00:25:11,209 --> 00:25:13,089
If your parents are going to be good enough

508
00:25:13,089 --> 00:25:14,409
to fund your rap career,

509
00:25:14,509 --> 00:25:16,489
which you failed at from the beginning

510
00:25:16,489 --> 00:25:17,329
and never even got off the ground,

511
00:25:17,529 --> 00:25:20,549
and then suddenly you're this politician

512
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:21,529
who's going to change the world

513
00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:22,429
and you hate capitalism

514
00:25:22,429 --> 00:25:23,809
and you hate the system

515
00:25:23,809 --> 00:25:26,729
and you want to introduce socialism into America.

516
00:25:27,249 --> 00:25:27,949
And this is true

517
00:25:27,949 --> 00:25:30,669
because I've already done many shows

518
00:25:30,669 --> 00:25:31,689
where I've discussed him

519
00:25:31,689 --> 00:25:44,489
And I have old video clips of him with the DSA where he's actually literally in the interview saying, my goal is to introduce socialism into America and basically destroy the system.

520
00:25:45,469 --> 00:25:45,989
Literally.

521
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:46,269
Yeah.

522
00:25:46,469 --> 00:25:46,669
Yeah.

523
00:25:46,769 --> 00:25:48,089
I mean, that's the thing.

524
00:25:48,209 --> 00:25:50,629
People are just like, don't understand this.

525
00:25:50,809 --> 00:25:53,069
They're just rationalizing it in their mind.

526
00:25:53,589 --> 00:25:55,609
They just want to believe whatever they want to believe.

527
00:25:55,949 --> 00:26:09,079
A lot of people So but that the thing And that sad because I mean like a you gonna vote for someone that like we can also talk about like the individual policies that he offers first of

528
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:14,919
all even if he was able to achieve those those are not the thing that can change the life of people

529
00:26:14,919 --> 00:26:21,698
like no like i i'm in la so i'm not his policy will not affect me whatever but i'm in a rent

530
00:26:21,698 --> 00:26:29,698
control apartment is like my apartment is already controlled so my my rent doesn't go up as much as

531
00:26:29,698 --> 00:26:36,438
other apartments so it's already protected so is it freezing the rent every year is going to change

532
00:26:36,438 --> 00:26:43,458
my life not completely not completely over there like it's a little different because half of the

533
00:26:43,458 --> 00:26:51,039
apartments are like rent stabilized so it's more units over there than here but still it's it it's

534
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:55,659
already like there is already a cap to how much you can raise it and they're not going to be able

535
00:26:55,659 --> 00:27:02,539
to raise it as much as other apartments too free bus i take public transportation in la yes it's an

536
00:27:02,539 --> 00:27:08,539
expense but that's not not paying for the bus is not what's going to change my life having more

537
00:27:08,539 --> 00:27:15,978
opportunities actually and get better paid jobs that can also give you like a growth possible

538
00:27:15,978 --> 00:27:21,799
growth and everything. That's what it is. So yeah, you can also make better safety net,

539
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:27,419
but at the end of the day, it's having the opportunities to actually find the job when

540
00:27:27,419 --> 00:27:33,679
you don't have one, better paid job. That's really what makes life, like better life for people.

541
00:27:34,339 --> 00:27:39,579
Yeah, but here's, again, let's go back to the ridiculousness of it all, Sarah.

542
00:27:39,579 --> 00:27:46,139
free buses, rent control, everything Mamdani is saying,

543
00:27:46,619 --> 00:27:49,339
he realizes can't happen without funding from somewhere.

544
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,758
So regardless of whether or not you make transportation free

545
00:27:52,758 --> 00:27:57,319
or that you control rents, they have to be subsidized in some way.

546
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:58,198
You can't…

547
00:27:58,198 --> 00:27:58,379
Oh, yeah.

548
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:00,799
And he doesn't have the power to do a lot of that stuff.

549
00:28:00,919 --> 00:28:05,059
So I'm saying even if he could, it wouldn't really be that change

550
00:28:05,059 --> 00:28:06,119
that people think it is.

551
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,399
He hasn't even taken office yet,

552
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:11,698
And he's already making videos where he realizes, oh, I need more funding.

553
00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:14,238
Like, come on, man.

554
00:28:14,238 --> 00:28:20,159
And then the thing about rent control, like I get it, you know, because like you're in

555
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:23,379
LA, San Francisco, for example, is absurd when it comes to rents.

556
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:27,819
And there does, I get it needs to be, it needs to make sense.

557
00:28:27,938 --> 00:28:31,639
It absolutely should not outpace your income to the point that you have to work three or

558
00:28:31,639 --> 00:28:32,579
four jobs just to live.

559
00:28:33,099 --> 00:28:36,539
You know, and I just discussed this with my brother on another show we do where like the

560
00:28:36,539 --> 00:28:41,698
average cost of a house, like if you're going to buy in California and we take, for example,

561
00:28:41,758 --> 00:28:45,718
let's say an average income, I'm just going to throw this number like 70,000 a year. And I don't

562
00:28:45,718 --> 00:28:50,819
even know if that's the average, but that's the number we use. The average cost of a house is 12

563
00:28:50,819 --> 00:28:56,458
times the average salary. That is ridiculous. Why should it be 12 times your average salary?

564
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,179
It's unattainable. How are you supposed to live? You're not going to be able to purchase.

565
00:29:00,758 --> 00:29:05,039
But what I'm going to say is this, if you're an owner of an apartment complex and you do have

566
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:10,758
rent controls and your costs of ownership keep going up, but yet you can't recoup those costs,

567
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:16,419
someone has to do something. So in general, what Mamdani doesn't understand, or maybe he does,

568
00:29:16,458 --> 00:29:20,678
he just doesn't want to say it, is that he's going to have to subsidize these owners of these

569
00:29:20,678 --> 00:29:24,919
buildings so that they can actually afford to keep them and upkeep them. You can't just tell

570
00:29:24,919 --> 00:29:31,319
them you can't recoup your costs. Yeah. And already they passed a law in 2019 that already

571
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:34,458
caused a lot of issues, they're saying, about that.

572
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:36,998
Because now before you could recoup,

573
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,519
you could do more stuff to write off your expenses and everything.

574
00:29:42,198 --> 00:29:43,938
And so because of that, a lot of apartments,

575
00:29:44,139 --> 00:29:45,738
they need renovation,

576
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:49,139
but because it's not convenient for the landlord to renovate them

577
00:29:49,139 --> 00:29:50,478
because they're going to just lose money.

578
00:29:50,539 --> 00:29:51,879
Because even if you renovate them,

579
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,659
then it's still rent-stabilized,

580
00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:57,718
so they cannot charge you as much as they would want to

581
00:29:57,718 --> 00:29:59,478
for that renovated apartment.

582
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:00,919
So they just don't renovate them.

583
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:02,339
Because it's not convenient.

584
00:30:02,498 --> 00:30:03,819
So now you have a lot of apartments.

585
00:30:04,059 --> 00:30:07,279
I don't know if they were saying it was like maybe 50,000 apartments,

586
00:30:07,859 --> 00:30:09,399
that it could easily be fixed.

587
00:30:09,779 --> 00:30:11,659
But because it's not convenient for a landlord,

588
00:30:11,659 --> 00:30:14,859
because of all this regulation for the rent stabilization.

589
00:30:15,659 --> 00:30:18,299
So now you're creating another issue.

590
00:30:18,438 --> 00:30:19,579
But so that's the problem.

591
00:30:19,678 --> 00:30:20,159
It's okay.

592
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:24,659
We can do something that is nice in the short term for people,

593
00:30:24,819 --> 00:30:26,379
which is like rent stabilization.

594
00:30:26,718 --> 00:30:30,478
But then are you sure you're not causing a bigger issue in the long term

595
00:30:30,478 --> 00:30:33,099
because yes, now you're saving maybe,

596
00:30:33,179 --> 00:30:34,718
I don't know how much it is for me

597
00:30:34,718 --> 00:30:36,139
when they increase their rent,

598
00:30:36,198 --> 00:30:38,679
it's like $50 or whatever.

599
00:30:39,139 --> 00:30:40,539
So, okay, now you're saving $50.

600
00:30:40,879 --> 00:30:42,419
I'm sure in New York might be like more,

601
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:43,698
maybe it's $100, $150

602
00:30:43,698 --> 00:30:45,099
because they're so expensive.

603
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:47,978
So now you're saving that money.

604
00:30:48,579 --> 00:30:51,379
But okay, now there is already a problem,

605
00:30:51,379 --> 00:30:52,619
like a crisis in New York

606
00:30:52,619 --> 00:30:56,859
with the amount of available units.

607
00:30:57,139 --> 00:30:58,079
So it's already a crisis

608
00:30:58,079 --> 00:30:59,938
because there are not enough units.

609
00:30:59,938 --> 00:31:08,039
so now your supply goes down and so in the long term like the prices are going to be crazier higher

610
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:14,099
in all the other units so yeah like in the short term you might have like some benefit

611
00:31:14,099 --> 00:31:19,559
as for you as a person as an individual but then yeah as you're saying someone else needs to pay

612
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,659
for everything else and that's going to be the government yeah need to bail out at this point

613
00:31:23,659 --> 00:31:26,198
the landlord and everything.

614
00:31:27,238 --> 00:31:29,718
But I think a lot of people don't really understand,

615
00:31:29,859 --> 00:31:31,738
a lot of like mom-diaming supporters

616
00:31:31,738 --> 00:31:36,198
don't really understand the economy in general,

617
00:31:36,379 --> 00:31:37,498
how the system works.

618
00:31:37,659 --> 00:31:40,559
Because even when they say tax the billionaires,

619
00:31:40,998 --> 00:31:42,238
they don't really understand how,

620
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:43,738
like you cannot just like increase,

621
00:31:44,178 --> 00:31:45,218
even if you increase 1%,

622
00:31:45,218 --> 00:31:46,919
but the billionaires don't pay the taxes

623
00:31:46,919 --> 00:31:50,519
in the same way as people that are salaried.

624
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:51,839
It's not W2 employees.

625
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:58,539
so you're not going to increase anything for them and you don't have the power as a local official.

626
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:04,258
Yeah, that's ridiculous too because, I mean, everyone likes to cry that billionaires don't

627
00:32:04,258 --> 00:32:09,279
pay enough. Well, I'm sorry, but 1% of 1 billion is a lot more than 1% of 40,000 or 50,000.

628
00:32:10,139 --> 00:32:14,539
That's what I say too. It's like you're still paying more than everybody else.

629
00:32:14,539 --> 00:32:21,418
And most billionaires, most of them, to keep their income, they have to have other sources.

630
00:32:21,418 --> 00:32:22,779
they have to keep that revenue stream going.

631
00:32:22,899 --> 00:32:23,418
So what do they do?

632
00:32:23,458 --> 00:32:24,519
They have businesses that do what?

633
00:32:24,619 --> 00:32:25,279
Employ people.

634
00:32:25,678 --> 00:32:27,158
And I've been an employer.

635
00:32:27,238 --> 00:32:28,478
I've had six businesses in my life.

636
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:29,998
And I'll tell you right now,

637
00:32:29,998 --> 00:32:31,438
it doesn't just run itself.

638
00:32:31,438 --> 00:32:33,079
And it's not free.

639
00:32:33,498 --> 00:32:35,718
You know, you do have to pay a lot

640
00:32:35,718 --> 00:32:36,599
to keep things moving.

641
00:32:37,339 --> 00:32:42,019
So yeah, I think people just misconstrue the facts

642
00:32:42,019 --> 00:32:46,359
because all they know is they have so much angst,

643
00:32:46,458 --> 00:32:48,099
especially younger people, for example,

644
00:32:48,658 --> 00:32:50,039
because they don't feel they are

645
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:51,139
where they need to be in life.

646
00:32:51,139 --> 00:32:52,579
They want to fast track everything.

647
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:57,839
They just want the six figure salary, the big house, the dream job, everything.

648
00:32:58,258 --> 00:32:59,819
And that doesn't just happen.

649
00:33:00,579 --> 00:33:02,698
It takes a lot of time.

650
00:33:03,418 --> 00:33:03,998
It really does.

651
00:33:04,579 --> 00:33:05,718
But that's the difference.

652
00:33:05,718 --> 00:33:13,799
I see a lot of my friends, even here, maybe when they live in the house of their parents,

653
00:33:13,879 --> 00:33:16,938
the parents have a big house with the yard, with everything.

654
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,299
They have their own individual bedroom.

655
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:25,998
So, of course, if you then move to a big city and you're in the server, maybe you go to a big city, then you have to share an apartment.

656
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:27,359
You have to make sacrifice.

657
00:33:27,698 --> 00:33:31,119
You have to live a very different lifestyle than what you're used to.

658
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:41,139
So I think a lot of people, because of that, they have a lot of resentment towards society because they're like, oh, my parents were able to do it, but I cannot.

659
00:33:41,299 --> 00:33:43,418
So it must be politicians' fault.

660
00:33:43,418 --> 00:33:49,438
but I say also like I'm a millennial but my parents didn't live the same lifestyle that I'm

661
00:33:49,438 --> 00:33:55,978
living they never went out for dinner they never went on a vacation they would save and just stay

662
00:33:55,978 --> 00:34:02,059
home work the whole time now everybody is always going on vacations everybody's always eating

663
00:34:02,059 --> 00:34:08,499
outside so we're living a very different lifestyle than our parents were so even if the economy was

664
00:34:08,499 --> 00:34:14,398
better for them, but also the opportunities that we have. So my life is still very messy.

665
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:20,139
My parents added like they started being more stable when they were young, but their life

666
00:34:20,139 --> 00:34:25,619
remained the same. So maybe I started like in a way that is messier. Maybe I didn't have the

667
00:34:25,619 --> 00:34:32,139
same opportunity to get base until my 30s. But by the time I will be 40 and 50, I will have way

668
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:38,139
more opportunities than they ever did. So you have to put things into consideration how like

669
00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:45,738
perspective. Yeah. And here's, you know, here's the thing though. I'm going to be quite honest

670
00:34:45,738 --> 00:34:50,738
with you. Yes, it's harder. It is harder for the youth. I'm not going to lie. You know,

671
00:34:50,779 --> 00:34:55,279
things are crazy, but I'm going to also say this, and people don't want to hear this, but

672
00:34:55,279 --> 00:35:00,898
regardless of generation, we're all living through this in real time. I'm not in a position,

673
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,159
I'm just talking about me, but most people are in a position right now where they can just go

674
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:10,158
buy a $2 million house. You know, if you're looking at, if you're looking at the rates right

675
00:35:10,158 --> 00:35:13,638
now, if you're looking at the rates, mortgage rates, you're looking at the housing costs,

676
00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:18,079
there's two, there are two things that can't happen here that are making it hard for people.

677
00:35:18,999 --> 00:35:24,119
High mortgage rates and high cost of housing. Those two things can happen. Either cost of

678
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:28,019
housing has to go down if you have a high mortgage, high interest rates or interest rates got to go

679
00:35:28,019 --> 00:35:33,999
down if your cost of housing goes up. The problem is they're both high. So there's really no way to

680
00:35:33,999 --> 00:35:37,658
really make it happen. And the banks right now, I mean, they're demanding, you know, you got

681
00:35:37,658 --> 00:35:41,779
$800,000 house. They want to see, I mean, think about it. You do 20% of that. I mean, you're

682
00:35:41,779 --> 00:35:45,319
looking at a few hundred thousand dollars more just to have a down payment that they would accept.

683
00:35:45,878 --> 00:35:50,459
And that's the demand, or at least that's a perception, right? So not everybody can afford

684
00:35:50,459 --> 00:35:54,718
to do these things, except maybe the ultra rich. And maybe that's why people feel the way they do.

685
00:35:54,779 --> 00:35:59,339
They're like, I can't get ahead, but this rich guy can, and that's not fair, but life isn't fair.

686
00:36:00,099 --> 00:36:01,198
It's just not, unfortunately.

687
00:36:02,138 --> 00:36:03,758
I mean, it's also like, to me,

688
00:36:04,198 --> 00:36:05,799
like I see here in Los Angeles,

689
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,019
the apartments are pretty cheap built.

690
00:36:08,318 --> 00:36:10,718
So to me, it's ridiculous that they're so expensive

691
00:36:10,718 --> 00:36:12,758
when the material is very cheap.

692
00:36:13,178 --> 00:36:13,858
That's an issue too.

693
00:36:15,059 --> 00:36:16,718
Yeah, so that's where I was like,

694
00:36:16,799 --> 00:36:19,338
yeah, I'm going to spend $2 million for something

695
00:36:19,338 --> 00:36:21,999
that it can just be borrowed away or something.

696
00:36:22,338 --> 00:36:23,658
So there are issues.

697
00:36:23,779 --> 00:36:24,999
I'm not saying there are no issues.

698
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,638
There are so many issues that should be fixed.

699
00:36:26,878 --> 00:36:28,638
There is, but let's talk about LA though,

700
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,178
because you're talking about Mamdani.

701
00:36:30,258 --> 00:36:31,019
You were talking about socialism.

702
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:32,099
You're talking about New York,

703
00:36:32,198 --> 00:36:33,499
but LA, Karen Bass.

704
00:36:33,579 --> 00:36:34,659
I mean, what's going on with that?

705
00:36:35,099 --> 00:36:37,678
She is, and I can confirm this,

706
00:36:37,678 --> 00:36:41,299
she is a communist.

707
00:36:41,799 --> 00:36:42,398
She literally is.

708
00:36:42,939 --> 00:36:46,378
She was part of a party that supported communism.

709
00:36:46,579 --> 00:36:48,599
She was part of all of that.

710
00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:52,939
And here she is in power as the mayor of LA.

711
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,858
And she hasn't done much for the city.

712
00:36:56,198 --> 00:36:56,819
Not really.

713
00:36:57,738 --> 00:36:59,819
Do you think that maybe, you know,

714
00:36:59,878 --> 00:37:02,579
some of her communist or socialist leanings

715
00:37:02,579 --> 00:37:04,779
are part of the problem in terms of policy

716
00:37:04,779 --> 00:37:06,858
and how that whole city is being handled?

717
00:37:07,439 --> 00:37:11,419
Because honestly, I mean, homelessness is crazy.

718
00:37:11,678 --> 00:37:12,659
It's not getting fixed.

719
00:37:12,799 --> 00:37:14,599
And that's a combination of Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom,

720
00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:15,819
which we can get into if you'd like.

721
00:37:16,659 --> 00:37:19,198
You know, we have funds in California

722
00:37:19,198 --> 00:37:21,299
that were allotted or put aside for homelessness,

723
00:37:21,479 --> 00:37:22,439
but we don't even know where they're going.

724
00:37:22,439 --> 00:37:23,439
I mean, they always increase them.

725
00:37:23,579 --> 00:37:24,499
It's not about money.

726
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:25,299
It's not about money.

727
00:37:25,499 --> 00:37:26,519
No, it's not about money.

728
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:27,799
and we don't even know where the money went.

729
00:37:28,139 --> 00:37:28,939
You live in California,

730
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:30,119
so that's why I'm bringing it out.

731
00:37:30,178 --> 00:37:31,099
I do too, by the way,

732
00:37:31,139 --> 00:37:31,878
so we're both in California.

733
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,559
But Gavin Newsom doesn't even want to reveal

734
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,419
where the money is that went to the homeless programs.

735
00:37:39,059 --> 00:37:40,339
And there's other things going on.

736
00:37:40,398 --> 00:37:41,599
You can't even audit it, apparently.

737
00:37:42,238 --> 00:37:45,119
So in your opinion, I mean, New York is bad.

738
00:37:45,198 --> 00:37:46,519
Yeah, it's going down the wrong track,

739
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,619
but how soon will it be before LA, for example,

740
00:37:49,959 --> 00:37:51,079
elects their Mamdani?

741
00:37:51,959 --> 00:37:53,159
I mean, very soon,

742
00:37:53,279 --> 00:37:55,238
because I think like the DSA is like,

743
00:37:55,238 --> 00:37:58,639
now they have their perfect candidate in New York.

744
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,658
So now they're going to just try to replicate that everywhere else.

745
00:38:01,898 --> 00:38:06,599
The only thing different in Los Angeles is that the mayor of Los Angeles city

746
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:08,459
doesn't really have as much power.

747
00:38:08,999 --> 00:38:11,338
So I think like I was reading that also the DSA,

748
00:38:11,499 --> 00:38:12,519
because they were talking about,

749
00:38:12,619 --> 00:38:15,898
I was reading an article about DSA and Karen Bass,

750
00:38:16,319 --> 00:38:18,999
but I think here they were more interested about like city council

751
00:38:18,999 --> 00:38:22,079
and like maybe the supervisors.

752
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:28,758
so it's a little different here it is it is but you also got to look at the fact that the mayor

753
00:38:28,758 --> 00:38:34,698
is the face right and that's a power i mean that's a position of influence and with influence there is

754
00:38:34,698 --> 00:38:40,579
power so yeah maybe maybe on the surface it doesn't look like it can do much but i mean if you're if

755
00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:46,678
you have someone who is always seen as the face of la for example and every day this person is

756
00:38:46,678 --> 00:38:52,279
pushing the narrative of socialism or going down the path thereof, then how hard is it

757
00:38:52,279 --> 00:39:08,608
to then be in a position where the people are going to vote the way that you telling them to vote or going to accept the programs that you want them to accept yeah i mean i don even hear that much about carambas like honestly like i feel like la is

758
00:39:08,608 --> 00:39:14,188
kind of like a city where like they don't people don't talk as much maybe she's hiding right now

759
00:39:14,188 --> 00:39:17,988
but it was it was very hot for a long time in fact i mean obviously there was the big issue

760
00:39:17,988 --> 00:39:21,348
when like there were the fires at the beginning of the year like i can't believe that it was

761
00:39:21,348 --> 00:39:26,188
the beginning of this year if it's like 10 years ago uh when there were the fires obviously and she

762
00:39:26,188 --> 00:39:28,068
was outside of the country.

763
00:39:29,328 --> 00:39:30,868
Yeah, her name still comes up.

764
00:39:31,368 --> 00:39:32,848
She is who she is regardless,

765
00:39:33,048 --> 00:39:35,348
but still what is happening in New York

766
00:39:35,348 --> 00:39:36,468
applies to LA.

767
00:39:36,608 --> 00:39:38,148
It applies to Chicago, for example.

768
00:39:39,308 --> 00:39:41,128
Wherever there is a Democratic

769
00:39:41,128 --> 00:39:43,228
or left-leaning stronghold,

770
00:39:43,308 --> 00:39:44,368
and it doesn't mean that all Democrats

771
00:39:44,368 --> 00:39:45,188
believe this way, by the way.

772
00:39:45,188 --> 00:39:45,868
I'm not saying that,

773
00:39:46,248 --> 00:39:49,128
but it seems like this movement

774
00:39:49,128 --> 00:39:49,968
of socialism,

775
00:39:50,688 --> 00:39:52,388
which I'm just going to call communism

776
00:39:52,388 --> 00:39:53,268
because that's where it's going to go.

777
00:39:53,468 --> 00:39:55,928
I mean, that's what's really going on.

778
00:39:56,188 --> 00:40:00,228
and it seems the left is more accepting of that for some reason.

779
00:40:00,368 --> 00:40:01,368
I don't know why.

780
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,728
I don't know if you can explain to me why.

781
00:40:03,728 --> 00:40:08,608
I think the problem is the crisis within the Democratic Party

782
00:40:08,608 --> 00:40:12,588
is that there are these two wings within the Democratic Party,

783
00:40:12,748 --> 00:40:19,968
which is the moderate, the classical people from the Democratic Party,

784
00:40:20,088 --> 00:40:21,648
people like Chuck Schumer and everything.

785
00:40:22,248 --> 00:40:24,868
But then you have all this left wing.

786
00:40:25,028 --> 00:40:25,888
They are the ones.

787
00:40:26,188 --> 00:40:36,788
And the problem is that, I mean, a lot of young people, because I think they're against capitalism again, but also it's like it's what it is.

788
00:40:36,788 --> 00:40:45,248
Like these people, again, maybe it's the school they're teaching that or it's just like the pop culture or whatever it is.

789
00:40:45,268 --> 00:40:49,928
It's called to be very far left. So there could be so many reasons why that is.

790
00:40:49,928 --> 00:41:04,448
But so the young people now, they are big like voting bloc. And that's what happened in New York City, obviously. A lot of young people that didn't vote before, they went and they voted and they're all like very much left.

791
00:41:04,448 --> 00:41:09,308
So then the other part of the Democratic Party needs to pick their fight.

792
00:41:09,768 --> 00:41:14,288
Because at this point, you know, you have a loud amount of people.

793
00:41:14,448 --> 00:41:24,868
It's not the majority, obviously, but it's a very loud amount of people that they want the Democratic Party to go to the left.

794
00:41:25,328 --> 00:41:31,568
So because the Democratic Party right now hasn't won the election, obviously, so they're trying to survive.

795
00:41:31,708 --> 00:41:34,228
They are trying to be an alternative to Trump.

796
00:41:34,448 --> 00:41:37,968
But at the same time, I mean, it's the Gavin Newsom.

797
00:41:38,088 --> 00:41:43,408
Gavin Newsom is trying to be the person that is more center at this point, right?

798
00:41:44,348 --> 00:41:46,348
Well, he's a joke, in my opinion.

799
00:41:47,068 --> 00:41:51,508
Yeah, but that's where he's being more center because he's trying to propose.

800
00:41:51,688 --> 00:41:57,788
Because I'm also, locally, yeah, you can win an election being like DSA, far left,

801
00:41:58,028 --> 00:42:01,768
but you kind of win the country, obviously, because the country in general is more moderate.

802
00:42:01,768 --> 00:42:07,608
And even as a governor, it's more likely that you win as a moderate than if you're very far left.

803
00:42:07,928 --> 00:42:08,848
But local election.

804
00:42:09,428 --> 00:42:09,948
You do.

805
00:42:10,348 --> 00:42:10,608
Okay.

806
00:42:10,768 --> 00:42:11,908
Well, that may be true.

807
00:42:12,788 --> 00:42:14,668
We can say that the country is more moderate.

808
00:42:14,808 --> 00:42:18,148
I mean, I think the perception is more people might be moderate.

809
00:42:18,288 --> 00:42:20,608
But in the end, they vote either left or right.

810
00:42:21,328 --> 00:42:22,668
Nobody votes for an independent.

811
00:42:23,188 --> 00:42:26,328
Nobody really accepts a third party necessarily.

812
00:42:27,068 --> 00:42:29,388
It's either you're a Democrat or you're a Republican.

813
00:42:29,388 --> 00:42:37,988
And a lot of people look down the register and when they're looking to vote, they just go, I'm voting this way because I back Democrat or blue or I back red.

814
00:42:38,608 --> 00:42:40,628
What you're saying about the Democrat party is very true though.

815
00:42:40,788 --> 00:42:43,528
But listen, it's not just that they lost the election.

816
00:42:43,688 --> 00:42:46,708
They've been fractured for a very long time.

817
00:42:47,488 --> 00:42:48,488
Started with Obama.

818
00:42:48,948 --> 00:42:49,248
Okay.

819
00:42:49,368 --> 00:42:51,248
Obama, the darling of the Democrat party.

820
00:42:51,528 --> 00:42:55,108
But the reality is not everybody was lockstep with Obama.

821
00:42:55,368 --> 00:42:56,308
It started there.

822
00:42:56,308 --> 00:43:03,028
and ever since then it just slowly has disintegrated now let's talk about the right

823
00:43:03,028 --> 00:43:09,408
they have power at the moment perceived power but now we're seeing exactly what happens when

824
00:43:09,408 --> 00:43:13,988
the republicans gain power they're eating their own they're fighting each other just like just

825
00:43:13,988 --> 00:43:18,828
like in the documentary when we're talking about and what happened to andrew cuomo with with the

826
00:43:18,828 --> 00:43:22,788
democrat party the same thing is starting to happen within the republican party right now

827
00:43:22,788 --> 00:43:28,008
and so now we have two parties right now that are split it's almost like they should all just

828
00:43:28,008 --> 00:43:30,848
separate maybe we should have three or four separate parties because i believe like you

829
00:43:30,848 --> 00:43:36,768
should have four parties like not even not even the independent but for like the the socialists

830
00:43:36,768 --> 00:43:42,388
they should have the wrong party and not hijack the democratic party so you can have the democratic

831
00:43:42,388 --> 00:43:49,108
party that is like the center left the dsa can have the wrong party the working family party

832
00:43:49,108 --> 00:43:53,188
whatever they can create their own far left and then the same thing for the republican the

833
00:43:53,188 --> 00:43:57,668
republican should have like the conservative moderate and then you can have the far left too

834
00:43:57,668 --> 00:44:03,148
because yeah at this point i think the country doesn't really benefit from this because um

835
00:44:03,148 --> 00:44:10,008
no even even if you're like the governor like you like and part of your party tells you that

836
00:44:10,008 --> 00:44:15,908
you have to do more left policies when you're more center then you're fighting the whole time

837
00:44:15,908 --> 00:44:16,948
with everything.

838
00:44:17,228 --> 00:44:18,928
So I think it would be healthier.

839
00:44:19,208 --> 00:44:22,568
And the DSA, the socialists,

840
00:44:22,788 --> 00:44:25,188
they don't care about the Democratic Party.

841
00:44:25,788 --> 00:44:28,648
Like, to me, it was so bad.

842
00:44:28,868 --> 00:44:29,428
Like Mamdani,

843
00:44:29,788 --> 00:44:33,228
so he ran to be the face of the Democratic Party, right?

844
00:44:33,408 --> 00:44:34,248
He won the primary.

845
00:44:34,648 --> 00:44:36,188
And then on election night,

846
00:44:36,268 --> 00:44:37,548
he voted for himself,

847
00:44:37,608 --> 00:44:40,028
not as a Democratic Party candidate,

848
00:44:40,028 --> 00:44:41,768
as a working family party.

849
00:44:42,248 --> 00:44:43,868
So to me, that just represents

850
00:44:43,868 --> 00:44:46,228
how much disrespect you have for the party.

851
00:44:46,348 --> 00:44:47,588
And like, they gave you,

852
00:44:47,708 --> 00:44:48,688
like, they voted you

853
00:44:48,688 --> 00:44:50,828
for that as the face of the Democratic Party.

854
00:44:51,188 --> 00:44:53,248
And that's, you're going to slap them in the face

855
00:44:53,248 --> 00:44:54,868
by voting yourself to the other one?

856
00:44:55,588 --> 00:44:57,408
Yeah, but it's like,

857
00:44:57,708 --> 00:44:59,588
they backed him.

858
00:45:00,148 --> 00:45:01,408
And the only reason they did,

859
00:45:01,528 --> 00:45:03,268
look, we know that the DSA

860
00:45:03,268 --> 00:45:04,548
and the DNC don't align.

861
00:45:04,628 --> 00:45:06,028
We know Democrats don't align

862
00:45:06,028 --> 00:45:06,848
with socialists necessarily.

863
00:45:06,888 --> 00:45:08,648
They like some socialist policies,

864
00:45:08,768 --> 00:45:09,968
but they're not straight socialists,

865
00:45:10,008 --> 00:45:11,188
the Democrats, not at all.

866
00:45:11,908 --> 00:45:12,808
So the funny thing is,

867
00:45:12,808 --> 00:45:14,808
the only reason they got behind Ma'am Donnie

868
00:45:14,808 --> 00:45:17,328
is because he had the traction.

869
00:45:17,948 --> 00:45:18,508
He was getting fired.

870
00:45:18,648 --> 00:45:19,908
He was getting eyeballs, right?

871
00:45:20,368 --> 00:45:21,268
They absorbed him in.

872
00:45:21,348 --> 00:45:22,028
They supported him.

873
00:45:22,188 --> 00:45:23,608
But now that he's there,

874
00:45:24,328 --> 00:45:26,168
he's not getting the full support anymore.

875
00:45:26,568 --> 00:45:27,408
It's like, wait a minute.

876
00:45:27,528 --> 00:45:28,608
You guys back this guy.

877
00:45:28,688 --> 00:45:29,248
You put him here.

878
00:45:29,688 --> 00:45:31,408
And now you're trying to rein him in?

879
00:45:31,968 --> 00:45:33,808
I mean, they didn't really support him

880
00:45:33,808 --> 00:45:34,688
because a lot of people,

881
00:45:34,788 --> 00:45:36,928
they took time to actually endorse him

882
00:45:36,928 --> 00:45:38,968
even after he won the primary.

883
00:45:39,728 --> 00:45:42,128
And I think Kathy Ockel, the governor,

884
00:45:42,128 --> 00:45:44,688
like she eventually endorsed him

885
00:45:44,688 --> 00:45:46,328
but I think that was a very bad decision

886
00:45:46,328 --> 00:45:48,868
because next year there is the election for governor.

887
00:45:49,528 --> 00:45:51,908
And so a lot of people...

888
00:45:51,908 --> 00:45:54,108
I'm sorry, but I'm not trying to cut you off

889
00:45:54,108 --> 00:45:56,988
but listen, an endorsement is backing.

890
00:45:57,248 --> 00:45:58,968
An endorsement is you saying

891
00:45:58,968 --> 00:46:00,588
I back this person.

892
00:46:00,588 --> 00:46:01,688
I believe in this person.

893
00:46:01,688 --> 00:46:03,848
But originally she, like everybody was like

894
00:46:03,848 --> 00:46:06,588
trying to avoid to endorse him, the person.

895
00:46:07,008 --> 00:46:09,088
But now that she endorsed him

896
00:46:09,088 --> 00:46:11,048
a lot of people are pissed in New York

897
00:46:11,048 --> 00:46:15,208
because, okay, now they don't like socialism.

898
00:46:15,348 --> 00:46:18,608
Like 50% of the people voted against Mamdani in New York.

899
00:46:18,928 --> 00:46:20,828
He didn't win a big percentage.

900
00:46:20,988 --> 00:46:23,028
He barely made the cut in that sense.

901
00:46:23,328 --> 00:46:23,888
Well, good point.

902
00:46:23,888 --> 00:46:25,288
Do you think, though,

903
00:46:25,888 --> 00:46:29,728
do you think that maybe the Democrat Party

904
00:46:29,728 --> 00:46:30,988
felt that they could change him?

905
00:46:31,488 --> 00:46:33,448
Like they could turn him into what they wanted

906
00:46:33,448 --> 00:46:34,948
because he was a fresh new face?

907
00:46:35,048 --> 00:46:37,128
Do you think maybe they thought that that was possible?

908
00:46:37,188 --> 00:46:37,828
I don't think so.

909
00:46:37,888 --> 00:46:39,288
I think they're just trying to survive

910
00:46:39,288 --> 00:46:41,008
and they thought that was their best option.

911
00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:47,808
But again, you're trying to survive, hoping that he's going to save you when he just wants to destroy them.

912
00:46:48,148 --> 00:46:49,408
That's the thing, the DSA.

913
00:46:50,128 --> 00:46:56,668
And they were talking about eventually Mamdani didn't endorse Ossé.

914
00:46:57,228 --> 00:47:06,188
He wanted to run against another DSA candidate, was planning to run against Hakim Jeffries.

915
00:47:06,848 --> 00:47:09,448
But even Mamdani said, don't do it.

916
00:47:09,448 --> 00:47:09,908
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

917
00:47:09,908 --> 00:47:10,468
I remember, yeah.

918
00:47:10,468 --> 00:47:13,628
Even that, it's like, okay, now you're making it too obvious.

919
00:47:13,968 --> 00:47:17,588
But again, they're still going, challenging other people.

920
00:47:18,048 --> 00:47:20,348
Obviously, people that are not Israel.

921
00:47:20,528 --> 00:47:23,108
They're too Israel, not Palestine enough.

922
00:47:23,628 --> 00:47:24,548
They're like the DSA.

923
00:47:24,728 --> 00:47:27,688
They're all trying to primary all those people out.

924
00:47:28,488 --> 00:47:29,648
Can I ask you a question?

925
00:47:29,908 --> 00:47:30,088
Yeah.

926
00:47:30,908 --> 00:47:35,968
As someone who immigrated to this country and from Italy,

927
00:47:36,148 --> 00:47:39,188
what is your opinion on the polarization of American politics?

928
00:47:39,188 --> 00:47:45,848
i mean that that's pretty crazy like it's i mean it's in general like i think politics it's very

929
00:47:45,848 --> 00:47:52,688
polarizing nowadays but obviously here uh it's uh everything is very black and white here in this

930
00:47:52,688 --> 00:47:58,268
country in general the culture is very much that so and what you're saying also people that are

931
00:47:58,268 --> 00:48:03,148
voting blue just because they always voted blue red because they voted red instead of actually

932
00:48:03,148 --> 00:48:09,948
looking at the candidate. I think that's part of the problem too. It's about like not being able to

933
00:48:09,948 --> 00:48:14,208
accept the gray areas in this country. So now there is this polarization because obviously

934
00:48:14,208 --> 00:48:18,468
there is a lot of division. And that's also what I wanted to do with the documentary,

935
00:48:18,468 --> 00:48:23,828
just to force people to listen to what others are saying. Because you don't have to agree with

936
00:48:23,828 --> 00:48:29,128
everybody what they're saying, but just listen, just being able to have a conversation. And that's

937
00:48:29,128 --> 00:48:30,968
what's very scary for me here, that

938
00:48:30,968 --> 00:48:33,028
people are not even able to

939
00:48:33,028 --> 00:48:34,968
listen, or you're not even able to have

940
00:48:34,968 --> 00:48:37,408
your own opinion, because otherwise you're a fascist.

941
00:48:37,968 --> 00:48:38,908
Which, by the way,

942
00:48:38,968 --> 00:48:41,008
that's closer to fascism to

943
00:48:41,008 --> 00:48:42,928
me, when you're not even allowed to have your

944
00:48:42,928 --> 00:48:43,428
own opinion.

945
00:48:45,548 --> 00:48:46,788
It's a pretty crazy

946
00:48:46,788 --> 00:48:48,808
time, and I think also,

947
00:48:49,108 --> 00:48:51,148
again, a lot of people talk

948
00:48:51,148 --> 00:48:52,928
and they don't even understand the system, but they

949
00:48:52,928 --> 00:48:54,848
want to be against the system, they want to

950
00:48:54,848 --> 00:48:56,888
destroy the system, or they talk about

951
00:48:56,888 --> 00:48:58,228
we need to be more like Europe.

952
00:48:58,228 --> 00:49:00,588
yeah but you've never been to Europe

953
00:49:00,588 --> 00:49:02,768
but you don't exactly know how a thing works

954
00:49:02,768 --> 00:49:04,708
so you cannot just like cherry pick

955
00:49:04,708 --> 00:49:06,268
things and

956
00:49:06,268 --> 00:49:08,688
and yeah there are just

957
00:49:08,688 --> 00:49:10,908
like so many so many things

958
00:49:10,908 --> 00:49:12,728
obviously what's crazy though is

959
00:49:12,728 --> 00:49:14,448
we're polarized

960
00:49:14,448 --> 00:49:16,628
here very polarized but

961
00:49:16,628 --> 00:49:18,588
I mean reality life is great there's

962
00:49:18,588 --> 00:49:20,808
there's a lot of there's a lot of meeting in the middle

963
00:49:20,808 --> 00:49:22,668
you know every day you wake up

964
00:49:22,668 --> 00:49:24,708
go to work whatever you do you're

965
00:49:24,708 --> 00:49:26,528
compromising you're always meeting in the middle

966
00:49:26,528 --> 00:49:27,988
somewhere just to get through

967
00:49:27,988 --> 00:49:32,328
I don't understand why when it comes to politics, it's got to be so hard left, right?

968
00:49:32,408 --> 00:49:37,808
Like why are people in America, as maybe compared to other places, from your experience anyway,

969
00:49:38,328 --> 00:49:42,308
why do you think they gravitate to being such a hard left, right?

970
00:49:42,368 --> 00:49:43,308
It's always a yes, no.

971
00:49:43,408 --> 00:49:44,048
So binary.

972
00:49:44,728 --> 00:49:45,168
When in real life…

973
00:49:45,168 --> 00:49:46,088
It's very…

974
00:49:46,088 --> 00:49:49,828
It's funny because the people that are against binary, they're very binary people.

975
00:49:50,048 --> 00:49:50,408
Right.

976
00:49:51,188 --> 00:49:52,108
It's crazy.

977
00:49:52,388 --> 00:49:53,428
You know, we live in the grave.

978
00:49:53,428 --> 00:49:53,688
It is crazy.

979
00:49:54,108 --> 00:49:54,868
What is…

980
00:49:54,868 --> 00:49:57,808
Like, why do you think Americans are that way?

981
00:49:57,988 --> 00:50:05,328
I mean, it probably starts like in how your schools are set up, not to build critical thinking.

982
00:50:06,268 --> 00:50:06,948
They used to be.

983
00:50:07,828 --> 00:50:08,688
Yeah, they used to be.

984
00:50:08,688 --> 00:50:13,988
And I think also like, well, the educational system is very different.

985
00:50:14,588 --> 00:50:18,208
Like in Italy, like here you have a lot of, what do you call it?

986
00:50:18,208 --> 00:50:19,728
The multiple choice question.

987
00:50:20,128 --> 00:50:25,588
So you learn that every question has the right answer and the wrong answer.

988
00:50:25,588 --> 00:50:27,648
when like actually in Italy,

989
00:50:27,648 --> 00:50:29,988
we have a lot of like open questions

990
00:50:29,988 --> 00:50:31,568
and like we have oral,

991
00:50:31,908 --> 00:50:33,668
like even when you're like in middle school,

992
00:50:33,968 --> 00:50:35,088
you have oral questions.

993
00:50:35,188 --> 00:50:36,708
So you are in front of the class

994
00:50:36,708 --> 00:50:38,528
and the teacher asks you a question

995
00:50:38,528 --> 00:50:41,088
and like you have to figure out how to respond.

996
00:50:41,468 --> 00:50:46,508
So you'll learn more about the gray areas,

997
00:50:46,608 --> 00:50:48,328
I guess, to try to figure out.

998
00:50:48,388 --> 00:50:51,588
So I think that starts also in school,

999
00:50:51,848 --> 00:50:53,048
how you set the system.

1000
00:50:53,168 --> 00:50:54,548
And so people just start thinking,

1001
00:50:54,548 --> 00:50:56,968
okay, there is a right answer and the wrong answer.

1002
00:50:57,508 --> 00:51:00,228
Well, I think the education system in America is horrible at the moment.

1003
00:51:01,788 --> 00:51:02,548
And you're right.

1004
00:51:02,668 --> 00:51:05,008
I mean, I remember at one time, I went to school anyway,

1005
00:51:05,668 --> 00:51:07,168
and it could be just the schools, the teachers,

1006
00:51:07,388 --> 00:51:08,988
but critical thinking was a thing.

1007
00:51:09,428 --> 00:51:10,648
We did have open discussions.

1008
00:51:11,048 --> 00:51:13,228
These days, I don't know what's going on.

1009
00:51:13,788 --> 00:51:16,168
But let's go ahead and compare and contrast a bit.

1010
00:51:16,248 --> 00:51:17,428
Well, not compare and contrast,

1011
00:51:17,568 --> 00:51:19,148
but let's just talk about, as you're saying,

1012
00:51:19,248 --> 00:51:20,608
the education system in Italy,

1013
00:51:20,608 --> 00:51:23,988
how it is better because it does...

1014
00:51:24,548 --> 00:51:29,808
lead you to think more, right? You have to think about your statements, what you're saying,

1015
00:51:29,888 --> 00:51:33,868
your opinions versus in America, it's more like, here are your choices, pick one.

1016
00:51:34,368 --> 00:51:39,808
Like you don't get to expand on it. It's also like a less specialized system in a way. Like,

1017
00:51:40,068 --> 00:51:48,508
like here you learn the job and you do only that. Like even when you work in a company, right? Like

1018
00:51:48,508 --> 00:51:54,028
they hire so many people for each position. So you just do your homework while in Italy,

1019
00:51:54,028 --> 00:51:57,268
for a company, they try to hire the least amount of people,

1020
00:51:57,388 --> 00:51:59,368
so then you end up having to do everything.

1021
00:52:00,088 --> 00:52:00,788
That makes sense, yeah.

1022
00:52:01,328 --> 00:52:02,768
But here's...

1023
00:52:02,782 --> 00:52:03,962
Here's the question.

1024
00:52:04,362 --> 00:52:05,082
Here's the question.

1025
00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:07,522
All that being said about the educational systems,

1026
00:52:07,742 --> 00:52:09,102
America versus Europe, whatever,

1027
00:52:10,482 --> 00:52:15,422
why do people want to go to higher education institutions in America?

1028
00:52:15,982 --> 00:52:18,682
There's so many foreigners, people or immigrants,

1029
00:52:18,902 --> 00:52:23,362
people that want to come to learn at the universities in America.

1030
00:52:23,522 --> 00:52:24,362
But why?

1031
00:52:24,482 --> 00:52:25,882
If the education system is so horrible,

1032
00:52:26,022 --> 00:52:28,242
why is higher education in America so sought after?

1033
00:52:28,242 --> 00:52:36,842
um i mean i can tell you for that uh for my personal experience i came here and i studied

1034
00:52:36,842 --> 00:52:42,242
business in a cheap school not the ones the not the fancy one that you have to get into that

1035
00:52:42,242 --> 00:52:50,602
uh so i got a degree in business and i studied also like ucla extension so the school system in

1036
00:52:50,602 --> 00:52:57,722
italy like elementary school through high school is amazing like i learned a lot of real stuff

1037
00:52:57,722 --> 00:52:59,562
in there. And also, we get

1038
00:52:59,562 --> 00:53:01,622
major. You can pick a major. So, I got

1039
00:53:01,622 --> 00:53:04,082
a degree in electronics and telecommunications

1040
00:53:04,082 --> 00:53:05,902
in high school. So, that's

1041
00:53:05,902 --> 00:53:07,922
very different. So, yeah, I learned

1042
00:53:07,922 --> 00:53:09,642
actually to make real electronic

1043
00:53:09,642 --> 00:53:10,082
stuff.

1044
00:53:11,422 --> 00:53:13,542
But then, university

1045
00:53:13,542 --> 00:53:15,362
was very theoretical

1046
00:53:15,362 --> 00:53:17,962
in Italy. So, then I went to engineering

1047
00:53:17,962 --> 00:53:19,782
and to me, it was just like,

1048
00:53:19,942 --> 00:53:21,802
what is this? I learned much

1049
00:53:21,802 --> 00:53:23,902
more in high school than actually I did

1050
00:53:23,902 --> 00:53:25,862
in university because university is very

1051
00:53:25,862 --> 00:53:29,422
much about theory and not actually doing things where it should be the opposite.

1052
00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:36,102
So here, until you go to high school, your system doesn't even teach you much, obviously.

1053
00:53:36,522 --> 00:53:38,782
And then university, actually, then you learn more.

1054
00:53:39,082 --> 00:53:43,402
So I enjoy university here in this country, for sure.

1055
00:53:43,562 --> 00:53:45,542
It's a more practical mindset.

1056
00:53:46,442 --> 00:53:46,622
Is it?

1057
00:53:47,322 --> 00:53:52,402
Because it seems to be infiltrated with leftist think tanks that literally lead to people

1058
00:53:52,402 --> 00:53:53,342
voting for socialism.

1059
00:53:53,702 --> 00:53:53,902
Yeah.

1060
00:53:53,902 --> 00:53:56,202
I mean, I've never been into those schools.

1061
00:53:56,382 --> 00:53:58,702
Like, I hear people talking about that.

1062
00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:03,922
I studied business, obviously, so that wasn't my experience because my school was more like

1063
00:54:03,922 --> 00:54:04,882
international people.

1064
00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:08,082
So it wasn't that type of teachers.

1065
00:54:08,262 --> 00:54:12,762
And I think it probably, it's more like liberal arts, those kind of major.

1066
00:54:12,962 --> 00:54:14,722
We probably get more like left-leaning.

1067
00:54:15,562 --> 00:54:19,482
I mean, I come from like a communist region of Italy.

1068
00:54:19,942 --> 00:54:20,202
Like, obviously.

1069
00:54:20,302 --> 00:54:20,562
Oh, I know.

1070
00:54:20,562 --> 00:54:21,042
Yeah.

1071
00:54:21,042 --> 00:54:23,782
Yeah, like obviously Italy is not a communist country.

1072
00:54:24,042 --> 00:54:25,822
No, but it definitely has an origin.

1073
00:54:25,982 --> 00:54:27,302
It has a definite history.

1074
00:54:27,682 --> 00:54:29,122
Yeah, obviously we have history.

1075
00:54:29,342 --> 00:54:31,322
Obviously in each country, it's all different.

1076
00:54:31,682 --> 00:54:35,682
But my region, I have a lot of people that are very much on the left.

1077
00:54:36,242 --> 00:54:39,482
So for me, I was always mad in love with this country.

1078
00:54:39,482 --> 00:54:44,822
So I can feel how people reacted to me being in love with this country over there.

1079
00:54:45,002 --> 00:54:48,682
Because of course, even internationally, I mean, that's the thing.

1080
00:54:48,682 --> 00:54:56,162
Like this country has a lot of enemies and there are a lot of people that are going to be very happy if this country goes down anyway.

1081
00:54:56,402 --> 00:55:00,862
And probably it's because of success and people feel resentment more than anything else.

1082
00:55:01,262 --> 00:55:03,562
So, but I'm not arguing with you, by the way.

1083
00:55:03,682 --> 00:55:09,082
I'm really wanting your opinions based on someone who lived in a completely different country or a different system.

1084
00:55:09,562 --> 00:55:14,502
But what I'm finding when we're talking about higher education, for example, in Italy is theoretical.

1085
00:55:14,502 --> 00:55:23,422
Well, if we're talking about theoreticals and we're talking about a system here in the United States, as far as higher education comes or goes, everything's theoretical.

1086
00:55:23,922 --> 00:55:30,162
Honestly, I mean, how do people, how is it that a university, we're just talking in the open.

1087
00:55:30,262 --> 00:55:31,682
There's no right or wrong answer here, obviously.

1088
00:55:31,842 --> 00:55:41,862
But how is it that it attracts, for example, higher education is considered to be that of only people of the left or of the Democratic Party?

1089
00:55:41,862 --> 00:55:43,642
it's always been said that,

1090
00:55:44,122 --> 00:55:45,122
in America anyway,

1091
00:55:45,282 --> 00:55:46,702
people of the left are the educated

1092
00:55:46,702 --> 00:55:48,402
and the people of the right are the idiots.

1093
00:55:49,322 --> 00:55:50,642
And when it comes to the universities,

1094
00:55:50,802 --> 00:55:53,222
professors tend to gravitate towards leftist thinking

1095
00:55:53,222 --> 00:55:55,062
and they have conversations.

1096
00:55:55,222 --> 00:55:56,262
So if you want to talk about theoreticals,

1097
00:55:56,342 --> 00:55:57,482
if you're taking philosophy

1098
00:55:57,482 --> 00:55:58,762
and you're taking all these other things

1099
00:55:58,762 --> 00:55:59,662
like liberal arts, et cetera,

1100
00:56:00,022 --> 00:56:03,602
the conversation always steers towards leftist thinking.

1101
00:56:04,122 --> 00:56:06,262
And then, so who are behind most of protest?

1102
00:56:06,502 --> 00:56:08,122
People from universities

1103
00:56:08,122 --> 00:56:10,622
that are being trained and indoctrinated

1104
00:56:10,622 --> 00:56:12,182
to think of the left.

1105
00:56:12,962 --> 00:56:14,782
So while maybe your experience

1106
00:56:14,782 --> 00:56:15,922
where you were learning,

1107
00:56:16,022 --> 00:56:16,622
you know,

1108
00:56:16,902 --> 00:56:18,562
about business,

1109
00:56:18,642 --> 00:56:19,602
basically getting your degree

1110
00:56:19,602 --> 00:56:19,962
in business,

1111
00:56:20,082 --> 00:56:21,302
it's much more rigid.

1112
00:56:21,402 --> 00:56:22,022
I mean, there isn't really

1113
00:56:22,022 --> 00:56:23,182
much left thinking in businesses.

1114
00:56:23,462 --> 00:56:24,842
It works or it doesn't.

1115
00:56:25,002 --> 00:56:25,482
There's a system.

1116
00:56:25,482 --> 00:56:26,042
And it's about business.

1117
00:56:26,142 --> 00:56:27,122
Business is not the very

1118
00:56:27,122 --> 00:56:28,802
left-leaning business, obviously.

1119
00:56:28,902 --> 00:56:29,522
It can't be.

1120
00:56:29,782 --> 00:56:30,182
I mean,

1121
00:56:30,302 --> 00:56:31,302
if you try to apply

1122
00:56:31,302 --> 00:56:32,282
those principles to business,

1123
00:56:32,282 --> 00:56:33,242
you're going to fail, period.

1124
00:56:34,142 --> 00:56:34,582
So,

1125
00:56:35,102 --> 00:56:36,462
and that's what I find interesting

1126
00:56:36,462 --> 00:56:36,902
because,

1127
00:56:37,602 --> 00:56:38,062
you know,

1128
00:56:38,182 --> 00:56:39,842
for example,

1129
00:56:39,842 --> 00:56:46,882
So a lot of people from overseas, I would say anyway, find higher education America desirable,

1130
00:56:46,882 --> 00:56:53,442
even though our education system from in elementary through high school is horrible, which is weird.

1131
00:56:54,202 --> 00:56:58,362
And when you're talking about the Italian universities, for example, or higher education

1132
00:56:58,362 --> 00:57:04,962
to Italy being theoretical and here more rigid, but then again, all we're doing is pushing people

1133
00:57:04,962 --> 00:57:10,242
out of universities that are doing nothing but coming out with an idea of destroying America

1134
00:57:10,242 --> 00:57:18,742
for some reason. It's not people like me that are pushing these ideas. So, it does raise the

1135
00:57:18,742 --> 00:57:24,482
question, like, what's behind that? I mean, that's a very good question. I'm sure it's a

1136
00:57:24,482 --> 00:57:29,382
very complicated answer. Of course it is. Yeah. I mean... Now we're getting theoretical.

1137
00:57:29,382 --> 00:57:37,922
yeah i mean i mean people coming from other countries to this country to study university

1138
00:57:37,922 --> 00:57:44,622
it's i mean that doesn't necessarily means because the school is better like also like when

1139
00:57:44,622 --> 00:57:50,282
when like when you go even if you come just here to study and i know a lot of people that were

1140
00:57:50,282 --> 00:57:55,302
studying with me they studied for one year they went back to their countries like the philippines

1141
00:57:55,302 --> 00:58:00,842
Thailand. It means a lot in those countries that you studied in the U.S. Now, whether your school

1142
00:58:00,842 --> 00:58:06,262
was good or not, it doesn't matter. But because you studied in this country, it looks cool for

1143
00:58:06,262 --> 00:58:10,962
resumes. So, a lot of people are definitely just coming for that. I get it. But, I mean,

1144
00:58:10,982 --> 00:58:16,162
why would you upend your life or uproot your life and spend all that money and come to America for

1145
00:58:16,162 --> 00:58:20,062
that experience just to say, I did it? I mean, I get it. You have the experience.

1146
00:58:20,062 --> 00:58:25,102
but there were i mean and a lot of people that first of all if you have if you come here to study

1147
00:58:25,102 --> 00:58:30,162
you must have money you cannot just come here like even if you don't have like i didn't have

1148
00:58:30,162 --> 00:58:34,882
personal money but you need a sponsor and like when you have to get a that's how i came to this

1149
00:58:34,882 --> 00:58:41,022
country i got a student visa and so you have to prove that you have a sponsor who has a specific

1150
00:58:41,022 --> 00:58:46,942
amount of money in their bank account so and that and you need to get the signature from the bank

1151
00:58:46,942 --> 00:58:50,802
obviously to show that you can't just do like a self-attestation so you have to prove to this

1152
00:58:50,802 --> 00:58:57,822
country to get a visa that you have enough money to pay for you so if someone also comes from like

1153
00:58:57,822 --> 00:59:03,802
a country like india or like people might be poor the people that come here are not the poor ones

1154
00:59:03,802 --> 00:59:09,042
obviously because in order to get the visa you need to prove that you have money to pay for that

1155
00:59:09,042 --> 00:59:16,542
so so yeah i don't know if we're getting distracted here from the original yes and no

1156
00:59:16,542 --> 00:59:17,482
No, I mean, it's all related.

1157
00:59:17,642 --> 00:59:21,022
I mean, honestly, everything that we're talking about affects society.

1158
00:59:21,022 --> 00:59:25,642
And then, you know, what you learn and what you come out of and what you are also skews

1159
00:59:25,642 --> 00:59:30,662
or drives your view of politics and what policies you're going to vote on and what you're going

1160
00:59:30,662 --> 00:59:30,942
to do.

1161
00:59:31,382 --> 00:59:35,122
So I don't think we're getting off course necessarily because also now we're going down

1162
00:59:35,122 --> 00:59:39,242
the other road to the other questions that I was going to ask when it came to immigration.

1163
00:59:39,422 --> 00:59:40,682
He was an immigrant, for example.

1164
00:59:41,842 --> 00:59:44,102
What do you think of the situation right now in America?

1165
00:59:44,102 --> 00:59:50,402
what the sentiment when it comes to immigration i mean it's complicated because like it's it's not

1166
00:59:50,402 --> 00:59:54,842
simple like i'm not like yet people on the left they're like okay everything is horrible we should

1167
00:59:54,842 --> 01:00:00,422
have like some people say you should have open borders and people coming to these countries and

1168
01:00:00,422 --> 01:00:06,202
immigrants like we all like look at like this is crazy like you should not have open borders no one

1169
01:00:06,202 --> 01:00:12,082
should have open borders like you need to have a system and also when you are a legally immigrant

1170
01:00:12,082 --> 01:00:16,322
that came here legally, like it's a lot of work that you have to do.

1171
01:00:16,602 --> 01:00:20,502
It's a lot of like money that you end up spending that or whatever it is.

1172
01:00:20,982 --> 01:00:26,782
And so you go through a very complex system because you believe that's the right way to do it.

1173
01:00:26,782 --> 01:00:34,022
So when you hear like, oh, we should just allow anyone like illegally to come everything with no checks, no nothing.

1174
01:00:34,382 --> 01:00:36,082
OK, that's for an immigrant.

1175
01:00:36,082 --> 01:00:38,042
and also like the more

1176
01:00:38,042 --> 01:00:40,002
the more like

1177
01:00:40,002 --> 01:00:42,622
a situation like this you have

1178
01:00:42,622 --> 01:00:44,262
or like people are coming illegally

1179
01:00:44,262 --> 01:00:46,142
the more like obviously people

1180
01:00:46,142 --> 01:00:48,622
like get mad at immigrants

1181
01:00:48,622 --> 01:00:50,182
then it's not going to benefit me

1182
01:00:50,182 --> 01:00:51,542
even if I'm a legally immigrant

1183
01:00:51,542 --> 01:00:52,982
like I'm here legally

1184
01:00:52,982 --> 01:00:55,282
like and the system is going to get worse

1185
01:00:55,282 --> 01:00:56,122
for everybody

1186
01:00:56,122 --> 01:00:59,022
and like I mean even now the H1BVs

1187
01:00:59,022 --> 01:01:01,382
I mean that needed to be reformed anyway

1188
01:01:01,382 --> 01:01:03,022
I don't believe Trump

1189
01:01:03,022 --> 01:01:04,702
is the solution

1190
01:01:05,322 --> 01:01:05,962
I'm not.

1191
01:01:06,042 --> 01:01:07,662
I don't believe he's the solution for anything.

1192
01:01:08,182 --> 01:01:13,662
But even the left, they never said anything about reforming the legal immigration that

1193
01:01:13,662 --> 01:01:14,802
always needed that.

1194
01:01:15,182 --> 01:01:18,802
So it was always a conversation about the illegals.

1195
01:01:18,802 --> 01:01:21,882
So they undocumented it, however you want to call them.

1196
01:01:22,442 --> 01:01:23,942
So that's the thing.

1197
01:01:24,082 --> 01:01:28,942
Then, of course, then it's going to be worse for people like even people like me, because

1198
01:01:28,942 --> 01:01:33,542
the system, like if you don't have a system in place, then people are not going to be

1199
01:01:33,542 --> 01:01:39,162
happy with immigrants in general and then it's going to benefit no one so it's a complicated

1200
01:01:39,162 --> 01:01:44,782
situation so i think i think the problem is i think the narratives in the media that are being

1201
01:01:44,782 --> 01:01:51,482
driven is that america hates immigrants and that's not the truth um there's always this there's always

1202
01:01:51,482 --> 01:01:57,122
the push for um not the push but the uh talking points of how you know conservatives hate immigrants

1203
01:01:57,122 --> 01:01:59,662
or MAGA hates immigrants.

1204
01:02:00,322 --> 01:02:01,922
And the reality is, no.

1205
01:02:02,362 --> 01:02:05,342
They have no problem with legal immigration.

1206
01:02:06,042 --> 01:02:08,302
And why, in your opinion,

1207
01:02:08,562 --> 01:02:10,882
is it seen or looked down upon

1208
01:02:10,882 --> 01:02:12,622
to enforce immigration laws

1209
01:02:12,622 --> 01:02:14,822
for people who do enter illegally

1210
01:02:14,822 --> 01:02:16,482
or take advantage of the system?

1211
01:02:17,162 --> 01:02:18,622
I mean, that I never understood.

1212
01:02:18,882 --> 01:02:20,482
Even when I tried to talk to,

1213
01:02:20,582 --> 01:02:21,842
I mean, being in Los Angeles,

1214
01:02:21,842 --> 01:02:24,022
a lot of my friends are very much on the left.

1215
01:02:24,022 --> 01:02:27,322
I don't understand that mentality.

1216
01:02:27,322 --> 01:02:28,822
Like you need to have enforcement,

1217
01:02:29,002 --> 01:02:30,102
you need to have laws

1218
01:02:30,102 --> 01:02:31,722
and not just be like,

1219
01:02:31,802 --> 01:02:33,802
oh, whatever, well, you're here, whatever.

1220
01:02:35,122 --> 01:02:36,842
So open borders,

1221
01:02:36,922 --> 01:02:37,982
you don't believe they work?

1222
01:02:39,142 --> 01:02:40,942
No, I mean, especially this country

1223
01:02:40,942 --> 01:02:42,442
that has so many enemies.

1224
01:02:42,442 --> 01:02:44,282
Like a lot of people want to have

1225
01:02:44,282 --> 01:02:45,642
this country go down.

1226
01:02:45,822 --> 01:02:48,182
I think it's very naive of these Americans

1227
01:02:48,182 --> 01:02:50,082
to just believe let's have everybody

1228
01:02:50,082 --> 01:02:51,302
because everybody is lovely.

1229
01:02:51,622 --> 01:02:53,122
That's not the reality.

1230
01:02:53,422 --> 01:02:55,082
Like, it's not the reality of the world.

1231
01:02:55,202 --> 01:02:58,342
There are a lot of, like, as we were saying, good actors, bad actors.

1232
01:02:59,062 --> 01:03:02,542
Is it just about people who hate America?

1233
01:03:02,662 --> 01:03:04,722
Is that why we should not have open borders?

1234
01:03:04,822 --> 01:03:07,042
Or is it about protecting our sovereignty as a nation?

1235
01:03:07,102 --> 01:03:09,162
Because without borders, you really aren't a nation.

1236
01:03:09,262 --> 01:03:09,822
You're not defined.

1237
01:03:10,502 --> 01:03:11,982
I mean, that's a good question.

1238
01:03:11,982 --> 01:03:18,662
It's interesting because coming from Italy, I always took a lot of things for granted.

1239
01:03:18,962 --> 01:03:22,922
So now that I'm here in this country and I see how the conversation is different,

1240
01:03:23,122 --> 01:03:34,675
about a lot of things So I always questioning everything And now I like oh okay should we have a closed border completely Should we have like I don have the answer at this point because I like okay yeah let talk about it

1241
01:03:34,715 --> 01:03:37,595
Let's think about how much,

1242
01:03:37,675 --> 01:03:40,095
obviously like I think immigrants are obviously,

1243
01:03:40,235 --> 01:03:40,755
I'm an immigrant.

1244
01:03:41,015 --> 01:03:43,615
So obviously I want the borders to be open enough

1245
01:03:43,615 --> 01:03:46,015
so that people, all kinds of people come here,

1246
01:03:46,015 --> 01:03:48,455
not just the rich ones, not just like it.

1247
01:03:48,815 --> 01:03:50,075
That's the beauty of this country.

1248
01:03:50,175 --> 01:03:51,595
And I think what you were saying,

1249
01:03:51,595 --> 01:03:55,495
if you're an immigrant in Italy, France,

1250
01:03:55,535 --> 01:03:57,515
you're not going to have such a good time

1251
01:03:57,515 --> 01:03:59,215
as an immigrant in America.

1252
01:03:59,695 --> 01:04:02,735
So when people say that like this country hates immigrants,

1253
01:04:02,955 --> 01:04:05,975
yeah, of course, there is a lot of Americans,

1254
01:04:05,975 --> 01:04:07,235
but I think on the left,

1255
01:04:07,335 --> 01:04:09,915
they look down at immigrants all the time.

1256
01:04:10,055 --> 01:04:12,415
But I think the people on the left do it all the time.

1257
01:04:12,955 --> 01:04:16,635
So I think when people on the left want to say,

1258
01:04:16,775 --> 01:04:17,855
let's do these policies,

1259
01:04:18,175 --> 01:04:20,475
it's just because you make them feel good about themselves,

1260
01:04:20,475 --> 01:04:23,655
more actually doing something that works for society.

1261
01:04:24,215 --> 01:04:27,835
And I think the problem is really narcissism of people

1262
01:04:27,835 --> 01:04:29,515
that is the problem more than actually.

1263
01:04:29,615 --> 01:04:30,035
Do you think that's what it is?

1264
01:04:30,615 --> 01:04:32,175
I think that's what it is.

1265
01:04:32,315 --> 01:04:35,455
Because you see, like even for someone that I'm tech,

1266
01:04:35,715 --> 01:04:37,635
I'm not on the left, I'm more in the center, I guess.

1267
01:04:38,235 --> 01:04:39,195
When I talk to people,

1268
01:04:39,375 --> 01:04:42,155
like people are not interested in having that conversation

1269
01:04:42,155 --> 01:04:44,075
or like questioning things.

1270
01:04:44,075 --> 01:04:45,715
So I think they just like believe,

1271
01:04:45,875 --> 01:04:48,155
okay, if I believe this, I'm a good person.

1272
01:04:48,395 --> 01:04:50,415
If I believe that, if I question that,

1273
01:04:50,475 --> 01:04:51,415
I'm a bad person.

1274
01:04:51,735 --> 01:04:53,435
And so no one wants to be a bad person.

1275
01:04:53,715 --> 01:04:55,195
So I'm going to just say this,

1276
01:04:55,275 --> 01:04:56,355
whether I believe it or not.

1277
01:04:57,315 --> 01:04:59,575
So the problem I see too, though,

1278
01:04:59,635 --> 01:05:02,555
is when it comes to immigration,

1279
01:05:02,695 --> 01:05:04,075
okay, let's just say this.

1280
01:05:04,315 --> 01:05:05,855
If you have an opinion on it

1281
01:05:05,855 --> 01:05:07,395
and you believe that we should control our borders,

1282
01:05:07,395 --> 01:05:09,215
you're called a racist or a xenophobe.

1283
01:05:10,155 --> 01:05:13,595
That seems to be the words they sling around

1284
01:05:13,595 --> 01:05:15,715
and people don't want to be labeled

1285
01:05:15,715 --> 01:05:16,795
a racist or xenophobe.

1286
01:05:16,795 --> 01:05:25,535
now how's that contrast for example to how immigration is looked at and handled in Italy

1287
01:05:25,535 --> 01:05:31,395
like I mean how is it over there compared to here there is much less integration in Italy

1288
01:05:31,395 --> 01:05:36,795
for immigrants like even there we have a lot of conversations obviously about because

1289
01:05:36,795 --> 01:05:42,595
even there there are not many controls the government but in general like it's the far

1290
01:05:42,595 --> 01:05:47,635
West in some ways over there, because like even like the police is really not protecting.

1291
01:05:48,355 --> 01:05:52,115
There is crime that always keeps going up in general, not just immigrants.

1292
01:05:52,435 --> 01:05:53,055
It's in general.

1293
01:05:53,215 --> 01:05:55,855
There is a kind of like a lawless system in Italy.

1294
01:05:56,475 --> 01:05:59,215
So things are way more structured here.

1295
01:05:59,275 --> 01:06:05,335
And even if we complain about Los Angeles, New York, it's so much better than actually

1296
01:06:05,335 --> 01:06:09,735
it is in cities in Italy, because like that's the thing, like they don't even try to get

1297
01:06:09,735 --> 01:06:10,855
people to respect the law.

1298
01:06:10,855 --> 01:06:15,355
So a lot of people are mad at immigration too because of that situation.

1299
01:06:15,355 --> 01:06:19,735
Like here you have people coming like crossing the border from Mexico.

1300
01:06:19,735 --> 01:06:23,635
We have people coming from with a boat over there situation.

1301
01:06:24,235 --> 01:06:27,615
Then so there is a lot of, it causes a lot of division, obviously,

1302
01:06:27,795 --> 01:06:30,335
because there are people that want to regulate that.

1303
01:06:30,595 --> 01:06:33,655
And other people that are like, oh, they're just running away.

1304
01:06:33,915 --> 01:06:37,155
Let's just be nice and do that.

1305
01:06:37,155 --> 01:06:40,395
But that again causes more division between people in the country.

1306
01:06:40,395 --> 01:06:45,095
instead of like like it's obvious that there should be a system for everybody so you know who

1307
01:06:45,095 --> 01:06:50,035
they are you know what they're doing uh giving visas whatever visa you want to give to these

1308
01:06:50,035 --> 01:06:58,175
people there has to be a system to account for people and what it is so and again countries like

1309
01:06:58,175 --> 01:07:04,155
italy it's it's way more difficult to integrate as an immigrant than it is for someone here in

1310
01:07:04,155 --> 01:07:09,455
this country like here like i i have friends that they're all americans and i have friends that are

1311
01:07:09,455 --> 01:07:17,275
from the left i have friends that are trump supporters and so like it's yeah it's it's very

1312
01:07:17,275 --> 01:07:23,095
easier way easier here than actually if you're an immigrant in other countries so i was reading the

1313
01:07:23,095 --> 01:07:29,315
dsa website and i was reading this thing i was saying that immigrants live in an upper side state

1314
01:07:29,315 --> 01:07:36,115
in the united states and like what upper side state what are you talking about okay

1315
01:07:36,115 --> 01:07:42,455
Okay. Well, look, here's the thing. I don't disagree with you. Look, I have no problem with

1316
01:07:42,455 --> 01:07:46,395
people looking for opportunity. The problem we have in America so far that people are seeing is

1317
01:07:46,395 --> 01:07:51,535
we have people coming in, creating their own sub-communities, not trying to integrate into

1318
01:07:51,535 --> 01:07:56,435
American culture. And I think that's what people are getting upset about. That plus they're heavily

1319
01:07:56,435 --> 01:08:01,975
subsidized by taxpayer money. And then it's like, hold on, I'm working. And then this person's

1320
01:08:01,975 --> 01:08:05,755
getting free healthcare, free housing, free phones. And I'm sure you have your opinion on that,

1321
01:08:05,755 --> 01:08:06,935
but this is all facts.

1322
01:08:06,975 --> 01:08:07,575
You can look it up.

1323
01:08:07,615 --> 01:08:08,175
It's not hidden.

1324
01:08:08,315 --> 01:08:09,255
You can go to any government,

1325
01:08:09,655 --> 01:08:11,055
organization, website,

1326
01:08:11,175 --> 01:08:12,115
anybody who's tracking stuff

1327
01:08:12,115 --> 01:08:12,955
and you will find

1328
01:08:12,955 --> 01:08:14,295
this information to be true.

1329
01:08:15,135 --> 01:08:17,755
But this raises another

1330
01:08:17,755 --> 01:08:18,555
interesting question

1331
01:08:18,555 --> 01:08:19,935
and I don't know

1332
01:08:19,935 --> 01:08:20,695
how you feel about it,

1333
01:08:20,775 --> 01:08:23,415
but are all cultures compatible?

1334
01:08:24,095 --> 01:08:25,955
Should we accept everyone

1335
01:08:25,955 --> 01:08:26,795
from everywhere?

1336
01:08:28,695 --> 01:08:30,715
I've been thinking about that a lot.

1337
01:08:30,815 --> 01:08:32,515
I don't have an answer, obviously.

1338
01:08:32,755 --> 01:08:34,375
I think in every culture,

1339
01:08:34,375 --> 01:08:35,635
there are amazing people.

1340
01:08:35,755 --> 01:08:41,195
But obviously, but every situation is different.

1341
01:08:41,755 --> 01:08:49,655
And I don't disagree that this country needs to do what's best for this country and for its people first.

1342
01:08:49,815 --> 01:08:56,995
So obviously, it's not as simple as being like, like, obviously, I want opportunity to be available for immigrants.

1343
01:08:57,115 --> 01:09:01,555
I'm an immigrant. I'm not going to benefit from like if this country like close its borders.

1344
01:09:01,555 --> 01:09:09,655
But at the same time, should definitely prioritize what's best for this country and not best for other countries.

1345
01:09:10,015 --> 01:09:12,415
So, and this country is very generous.

1346
01:09:12,575 --> 01:09:18,495
Yes, taking people that are running away from tough situations like war and everything.

1347
01:09:18,495 --> 01:09:31,655
But I mean, yeah, I mean, even as an immigrant, it's like you like I see I see a lot of people that want to take advantage of this country just for their own purpose.

1348
01:09:32,075 --> 01:09:34,175
And maybe they're good immigrants, too.

1349
01:09:34,235 --> 01:09:35,275
Obviously, I'm talking about.

1350
01:09:35,675 --> 01:09:38,275
But but even that, like it pisses me off.

1351
01:09:38,335 --> 01:09:46,635
Like I know some people that they got there because not many people want to get the proper procedure to get the visa.

1352
01:09:46,635 --> 01:09:52,415
so I know even some people that they could have applied for a visa like my like work visa like

1353
01:09:52,415 --> 01:09:58,855
mine and everything but because it's so inconvenient to do this process because even there you like you

1354
01:09:58,855 --> 01:10:05,375
spend a lot of time money just to qualify for work visa you the money is not even for the government

1355
01:10:05,375 --> 01:10:10,115
the money is more for the lawyer that you need to hire to actually get the process and then you get

1356
01:10:10,115 --> 01:10:15,575
a temporary visa like like mine where like you have it for like three years and you can only do

1357
01:10:15,575 --> 01:10:21,735
certain jobs so if for any reason then you cannot find a job like with some some visa maybe you have

1358
01:10:21,735 --> 01:10:27,535
to go home other visa you can still stay you can work freelance all visas are different but I know

1359
01:10:27,535 --> 01:10:33,835
so many people that prefer to skip that process because if you just marry your friend then you

1360
01:10:33,835 --> 01:10:38,915
don't have to worry about that you can just get the right to to work any kind of job and you get

1361
01:10:38,915 --> 01:10:41,015
the citizenship in like two years.

1362
01:10:41,275 --> 01:10:44,955
So you can be married to someone for two years for free,

1363
01:10:45,215 --> 01:10:48,015
like a friend, and then divorce in two years.

1364
01:10:48,015 --> 01:10:49,495
And then you got the citizenship.

1365
01:10:49,915 --> 01:10:52,115
For me, I've been in this country for 10 years

1366
01:10:52,115 --> 01:10:56,075
and I'm still not even close to becoming a citizen

1367
01:10:56,075 --> 01:10:57,435
because I'm doing the right path.

1368
01:10:57,995 --> 01:10:59,635
My friend, okay.

1369
01:10:59,775 --> 01:11:01,555
So I just want you to understand where I'm coming from too.

1370
01:11:01,655 --> 01:11:02,915
My father was an immigrant.

1371
01:11:03,135 --> 01:11:07,175
He came from the Azores and he came here when he was seven.

1372
01:11:07,475 --> 01:11:08,535
His father brought him here.

1373
01:11:08,915 --> 01:11:11,755
So on my dad's side, we're all immigrants.

1374
01:11:12,915 --> 01:11:16,635
And all of my friends, most of my friends, a lot of them in the industries I'm in anyway,

1375
01:11:16,795 --> 01:11:18,175
I have a lot of friends from Mexico.

1376
01:11:18,295 --> 01:11:19,015
They're families from Mexico.

1377
01:11:19,715 --> 01:11:24,795
And one that always comes to mind is, I won't say his name because of reasons, but anyway,

1378
01:11:24,955 --> 01:11:26,055
very successful.

1379
01:11:26,355 --> 01:11:27,995
He came here young, had to come here.

1380
01:11:28,175 --> 01:11:29,555
Family brought him here for his grandfather.

1381
01:11:30,495 --> 01:11:33,175
And he went through school.

1382
01:11:33,335 --> 01:11:35,795
He worked with me when just out of high school, to be honest.

1383
01:11:35,795 --> 01:11:38,735
And he put his nose to the books.

1384
01:11:38,735 --> 01:11:44,835
He went to university, came out with a computer science degree, and he works for a utility

1385
01:11:44,835 --> 01:11:46,995
company now, doing stuff in the background.

1386
01:11:47,795 --> 01:11:48,735
Very successful.

1387
01:11:49,495 --> 01:11:52,015
And he finally got a citizenship this year, actually.

1388
01:11:52,435 --> 01:11:54,875
And it took him a long time.

1389
01:11:55,055 --> 01:11:55,655
And you're right.

1390
01:11:55,735 --> 01:11:57,735
The money, the lawyers, it's ridiculous.

1391
01:11:58,275 --> 01:12:00,755
But there's one thing I can say about the American system.

1392
01:12:00,855 --> 01:12:02,455
It's like, it does need to be reformed.

1393
01:12:02,495 --> 01:12:03,975
It shouldn't be as backlogged.

1394
01:12:03,995 --> 01:12:04,995
It shouldn't take as long.

1395
01:12:05,095 --> 01:12:06,475
You shouldn't have to jump through as many hoops.

1396
01:12:06,955 --> 01:12:08,175
But he stuck it out.

1397
01:12:08,175 --> 01:12:09,615
and he's trying to bring his wife over here

1398
01:12:09,615 --> 01:12:10,915
and they're on a waiting list.

1399
01:12:11,115 --> 01:12:13,235
And even the consulate in Mexico,

1400
01:12:13,375 --> 01:12:14,535
it's like they're on a waiting list.

1401
01:12:14,715 --> 01:12:15,555
He has to wait till next year

1402
01:12:15,555 --> 01:12:16,595
to even see someone there.

1403
01:12:17,235 --> 01:12:19,275
And it's just ridiculous how hard it is.

1404
01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:21,975
So I can get the frustration for sure.

1405
01:12:22,155 --> 01:12:22,435
I do.

1406
01:12:24,495 --> 01:12:26,435
It's unfortunately the system we have to go through

1407
01:12:26,435 --> 01:12:28,355
and I respect anybody who comes here

1408
01:12:28,355 --> 01:12:29,095
looking for a better life,

1409
01:12:29,175 --> 01:12:29,735
looking for opportunity.

1410
01:12:29,875 --> 01:12:31,655
But I got to say,

1411
01:12:32,175 --> 01:12:34,195
you still have to understand the country to live in,

1412
01:12:34,535 --> 01:12:36,195
integrate into the society and contribute.

1413
01:12:36,895 --> 01:12:37,915
I mean, I don't understand people

1414
01:12:37,915 --> 01:12:38,835
that are saying like,

1415
01:12:38,895 --> 01:12:39,955
oh, simulation is bad.

1416
01:12:40,215 --> 01:12:42,775
Like, I know people

1417
01:12:42,775 --> 01:12:43,515
that also like,

1418
01:12:43,575 --> 01:12:44,375
they come to this country

1419
01:12:44,375 --> 01:12:45,055
even from Italy

1420
01:12:45,055 --> 01:12:45,875
that obviously like,

1421
01:12:45,915 --> 01:12:47,135
we're not a third world country.

1422
01:12:47,695 --> 01:12:48,935
But like even there,

1423
01:12:49,115 --> 01:12:50,575
like my friend of mine,

1424
01:12:50,675 --> 01:12:51,055
he got,

1425
01:12:51,255 --> 01:12:51,855
became a citizen

1426
01:12:51,855 --> 01:12:54,235
and then he doesn't even speak English.

1427
01:12:54,635 --> 01:12:55,535
And so like,

1428
01:12:55,595 --> 01:12:56,475
that's not right.

1429
01:12:56,755 --> 01:12:57,995
Like, of course it should be,

1430
01:12:58,355 --> 01:12:58,775
of course.

1431
01:12:59,155 --> 01:13:00,255
But I'll say in turn,

1432
01:13:00,355 --> 01:13:01,235
Americans are really bad

1433
01:13:01,235 --> 01:13:02,455
about learning other languages there.

1434
01:13:02,795 --> 01:13:03,975
Yeah, but you're not like,

1435
01:13:04,235 --> 01:13:05,535
but if you go to France,

1436
01:13:05,575 --> 01:13:07,115
you're going to have to learn that.

1437
01:13:07,435 --> 01:13:07,795
You better.

1438
01:13:07,915 --> 01:13:11,595
ridiculous that Americans would have to say, oh, you don't have to learn the language when you live

1439
01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:16,695
here. Like, obviously, and you have to assimilate, obviously. And I don't like when people put

1440
01:13:16,695 --> 01:13:21,495
themselves like they just go out with the people from their own country. So I never understood

1441
01:13:21,495 --> 01:13:28,935
those kind of immigrants either. So I, and, and again, it shouldn't be like, okay, you're racist

1442
01:13:28,935 --> 01:13:33,475
just because you're bringing the point. So that's where I disagree a lot with people. Like you can

1443
01:13:33,475 --> 01:13:38,195
have all the different opinions. I don't have the truth about anything. I have a lot of questions,

1444
01:13:38,195 --> 01:13:43,335
but you cannot just label someone names just because they're asking a question. Honestly,

1445
01:13:43,435 --> 01:13:48,735
that's where I agree. I mean, you and I agree about that. I, I, I find it interesting. I, I,

1446
01:13:48,735 --> 01:13:52,455
I like what you had to say, but even if I didn't, it doesn't matter. You gave me your opinion based

1447
01:13:52,455 --> 01:13:58,315
on your experiences and that's all I can ask for. Um, so let's, let's circle back to something

1448
01:13:58,315 --> 01:14:00,295
though. Let's switch this back up because

1449
01:14:00,295 --> 01:14:02,355
I did

1450
01:14:02,355 --> 01:14:04,395
not forget. I want to ask you

1451
01:14:04,395 --> 01:14:05,295
about your statement.

1452
01:14:07,335 --> 01:14:07,775
Why

1453
01:14:07,775 --> 01:14:10,395
it is seen that

1454
01:14:10,395 --> 01:14:11,855
a woman can do no wrong

1455
01:14:11,855 --> 01:14:14,195
and can accuse somebody of something

1456
01:14:14,195 --> 01:14:15,875
and it's just that we just believe a woman.

1457
01:14:16,975 --> 01:14:18,415
Destroying someone's career or their life

1458
01:14:18,415 --> 01:14:20,155
just based on their accusation of what they say.

1459
01:14:20,935 --> 01:14:22,395
What do you mean by that? What were

1460
01:14:22,395 --> 01:14:24,135
you getting at when you brought

1461
01:14:24,135 --> 01:14:25,375
that up a couple times in the beginning?

1462
01:14:26,755 --> 01:14:27,155
So,

1463
01:14:27,155 --> 01:14:29,335
What is your opinion on that?

1464
01:14:29,775 --> 01:14:30,875
Where are you coming from?

1465
01:14:31,415 --> 01:14:34,355
I mean, in general, I believe you should be able to question everything.

1466
01:14:34,455 --> 01:14:37,275
The only way to get to the truth of something or to have a good system,

1467
01:14:37,435 --> 01:14:39,615
you should be able to question everything,

1468
01:14:39,755 --> 01:14:43,315
whether it's an accusation by a woman or whether it's something else.

1469
01:14:44,055 --> 01:14:47,655
So, I mean, again, there are good people and bad people.

1470
01:14:47,795 --> 01:15:04,288
So there will always be someone taking advantage of any system Doesn matter if you a man if you a woman a citizen or an immigrant or whatever there is always someone is going to take advantage of the system the only way is to to make a good society is to have a system in place where like you can

1471
01:15:04,288 --> 01:15:08,608
make sure that everybody okay you're making an accusation we're going to investigate on that

1472
01:15:08,608 --> 01:15:13,468
that's and you need due process everybody deserves due process so if a woman makes an accusation

1473
01:15:13,468 --> 01:15:19,508
she should have the opportunity to prove that what she's saying is true.

1474
01:15:19,988 --> 01:15:23,048
But at the same time, even the other person deserves to have due process

1475
01:15:23,048 --> 01:15:27,288
so that the other person doesn't become a criminal just because you said so.

1476
01:15:27,728 --> 01:15:30,168
And again, we need to put everything also into perspective.

1477
01:15:30,788 --> 01:15:34,408
Even if you're saying, okay, this person made me uncomfortable

1478
01:15:34,408 --> 01:15:37,128
because he asked me a personal question,

1479
01:15:37,768 --> 01:15:39,908
asking personal questions is not a crime.

1480
01:15:40,268 --> 01:15:42,428
So you should not have to risk your livelihood.

1481
01:15:42,428 --> 01:15:47,148
You should not risk your life or your reputation in public life

1482
01:15:47,148 --> 01:15:50,748
just because someone said that you make them uncomfortable.

1483
01:15:51,088 --> 01:15:57,488
So I'm just like a fan of having a system in place and questioning things.

1484
01:15:59,088 --> 01:15:59,768
Fair.

1485
01:16:00,648 --> 01:16:05,608
It seems these days, though, that it started with the Me Too movement

1486
01:16:05,608 --> 01:16:09,188
that it has become weaponized.

1487
01:16:09,588 --> 01:16:10,108
Yeah.

1488
01:16:10,108 --> 01:16:13,168
It has become a tool to destroy another person.

1489
01:16:13,468 --> 01:16:17,748
And in this country, we've always felt a certain way about a woman.

1490
01:16:17,888 --> 01:16:19,928
Like the dynamic man and woman.

1491
01:16:20,108 --> 01:16:23,168
It's like, you know, for so long, women didn't have as many rights as men.

1492
01:16:23,168 --> 01:16:26,928
And I finally got to the point where women can earn the same money, get the same positions.

1493
01:16:27,068 --> 01:16:27,648
They could vote.

1494
01:16:28,908 --> 01:16:32,168
And I think the country probably still has a soft spot.

1495
01:16:32,888 --> 01:16:33,708
Or not a soft spot.

1496
01:16:33,788 --> 01:16:39,208
For maybe feel guilty about the fact that women were mistreated to a degree in the past.

1497
01:16:39,208 --> 01:16:40,968
and so now it's like

1498
01:16:40,968 --> 01:16:43,588
you know women can never speak up

1499
01:16:43,588 --> 01:16:45,628
before now they can and then

1500
01:16:45,628 --> 01:16:47,608
we want to just right away

1501
01:16:47,608 --> 01:16:49,628
hey you know what we know men can be horrible

1502
01:16:49,628 --> 01:16:51,408
we got to believe this woman because

1503
01:16:51,408 --> 01:16:53,728
these things happen and we've

1504
01:16:53,728 --> 01:16:55,208
never never believed them before

1505
01:16:55,208 --> 01:16:57,608
but at some point it became a

1506
01:16:57,608 --> 01:16:59,648
weapon how do we get

1507
01:16:59,648 --> 01:17:01,548
around that because even if you're investigating look

1508
01:17:01,548 --> 01:17:03,728
if you're in a courtroom and you see a woman crying

1509
01:17:03,728 --> 01:17:05,548
you're in America crying they're

1510
01:17:05,548 --> 01:17:07,648
bawling their eyes out they look beautiful and let's

1511
01:17:07,648 --> 01:17:13,048
just not negate the fact that your look has a certain thing to do with it as well. If you're

1512
01:17:13,048 --> 01:17:17,208
a beautiful woman, you're going to be more accepting or more accepted, more believable,

1513
01:17:17,348 --> 01:17:22,008
et cetera. Everything's going to go in your favor when it comes to that situation. They're going to

1514
01:17:22,008 --> 01:17:28,468
look at the guy and go, this pig, look what he did. So how do we combat that? Even if we can

1515
01:17:28,468 --> 01:17:36,028
investigate it properly, how can that be combated? And I'm not talking down about women. I'm just

1516
01:17:36,028 --> 01:17:40,848
trying to talk about this topic because what you said is right. It's like a lot of times

1517
01:17:40,848 --> 01:17:45,008
they can just throw an accusation out a woman, for example, not everyone, but they could throw

1518
01:17:45,008 --> 01:17:50,488
an accusation out there. And it's like, before even questioning the other person is guilty before

1519
01:17:50,488 --> 01:17:55,248
proven innocent, it's like they like right away, you're the bad person. You're fired.

1520
01:17:55,868 --> 01:18:01,968
You're, you're, um, you're looked down on your, your socially, you socially become a pariah right

1521
01:18:01,968 --> 01:18:07,348
out the gate before anyone asks you your side of the story. So how do we combat that? I mean,

1522
01:18:07,388 --> 01:18:12,528
it's even worse than that because like even Cuomo, he's been fighting for his process for like years.

1523
01:18:12,528 --> 01:18:19,408
Still today, he's still in lawsuits and two of his accusers, what was that?

1524
01:18:21,908 --> 01:18:28,448
Yeah, like one of his accusers, so she sued him and she was in litigation with him for two years

1525
01:18:28,448 --> 01:18:33,028
and like the week before she was supposed to be deposed on the rolls,

1526
01:18:33,248 --> 01:18:37,608
she dropped the lawsuit against him right when she was supposed to answer the question.

1527
01:18:38,008 --> 01:18:39,668
So what should you believe about that?

1528
01:18:40,188 --> 01:18:44,788
Like, is that like because you were trying to avoid answering questions?

1529
01:18:45,288 --> 01:18:48,968
But at this point, because he countersue her at this point,

1530
01:18:48,968 --> 01:18:53,208
like he's, I don't know if he actually started the thing, the process,

1531
01:18:53,348 --> 01:18:56,508
or he just like sent a notification that he would actually...

1532
01:18:56,508 --> 01:18:56,588
I don't recall.

1533
01:18:57,448 --> 01:18:57,728
Yeah.

1534
01:18:58,088 --> 01:18:59,328
I mean, I think it's just not clear.

1535
01:18:59,828 --> 01:19:04,668
But so again, because now he's suitor, people are like, oh, you're a horrible human being

1536
01:19:04,668 --> 01:19:06,188
because you're suing a woman.

1537
01:19:06,688 --> 01:19:09,408
So you're traumatized one time, you're traumatizing again.

1538
01:19:09,408 --> 01:19:15,508
So there is no way for him to prove that he's innocent because people decided that that

1539
01:19:15,508 --> 01:19:17,828
is he's guilty no matter what.

1540
01:19:18,288 --> 01:19:25,248
And so whether if a lot of investigations were dropped for people in the public opinion,

1541
01:19:25,568 --> 01:19:26,348
it's not enough.

1542
01:19:26,588 --> 01:19:27,708
it's not enough.

1543
01:19:27,788 --> 01:19:29,128
Even though the investigation was dropped,

1544
01:19:29,168 --> 01:19:31,288
it's like, oh, well, I guess the problem

1545
01:19:31,288 --> 01:19:33,328
is that the system is built wrong.

1546
01:19:33,568 --> 01:19:34,728
Yeah, but damage has been done.

1547
01:19:35,168 --> 01:19:36,048
The damage is still done,

1548
01:19:36,188 --> 01:19:38,368
but people are not willing to change their opinion.

1549
01:19:38,628 --> 01:19:40,808
I mean, even if someone's not convicted

1550
01:19:40,808 --> 01:19:42,368
in a case like this, right?

1551
01:19:42,888 --> 01:19:44,508
Let's say someone throws the case out.

1552
01:19:44,588 --> 01:19:45,748
The fact that you were accused

1553
01:19:45,748 --> 01:19:47,028
and you had to go through that,

1554
01:19:47,228 --> 01:19:48,108
it stays with you.

1555
01:19:48,148 --> 01:19:48,808
It doesn't go away.

1556
01:19:49,148 --> 01:19:49,448
Oh, yeah.

1557
01:19:50,228 --> 01:19:50,408
Yeah.

1558
01:19:51,108 --> 01:19:52,028
But that's the point.

1559
01:19:52,128 --> 01:19:54,828
That's where people just want to thank black and white.

1560
01:19:54,828 --> 01:20:01,168
I think it's just safe for them to be in that mentality that the word works in a specific way.

1561
01:20:01,628 --> 01:20:07,848
And especially in this situation, people want to believe that he's the bad guy because he's a white politician.

1562
01:20:08,528 --> 01:20:09,888
Kind of white because he's Italian.

1563
01:20:10,608 --> 01:20:14,288
But I always say like, but...

1564
01:20:14,288 --> 01:20:15,028
You can say it.

1565
01:20:15,868 --> 01:20:17,208
But that's the thing.

1566
01:20:17,208 --> 01:20:22,068
It's like people want to believe this kind of like word.

1567
01:20:22,228 --> 01:20:26,228
We're like, okay, every immigrant here is going to be a good person.

1568
01:20:26,228 --> 01:20:28,448
So it's not possible that there are like bad people.

1569
01:20:28,888 --> 01:20:32,828
Every politician is bad because he's corrupt.

1570
01:20:33,148 --> 01:20:35,968
And every woman is good person.

1571
01:20:36,228 --> 01:20:40,128
It's like if you actually live real life and meet a lot of people,

1572
01:20:40,408 --> 01:20:44,468
you eventually start seeing those shades, I guess.

1573
01:20:44,468 --> 01:20:50,908
It's crazy because they say justice is blind, but it's clearly in this case, there's no equality in justice.

1574
01:20:51,448 --> 01:20:51,648
Yeah.

1575
01:20:52,488 --> 01:20:52,968
Yeah.

1576
01:20:53,028 --> 01:20:56,048
And I'm like, I don't know exactly how you fix that problem.

1577
01:20:56,048 --> 01:21:00,928
And a lot of people, like obviously in this country, there is a lot of guilt towards your past.

1578
01:21:01,148 --> 01:21:11,188
So even like dealing with racism, it's hard to have a real conversation because obviously people just want to feel guilty about the past.

1579
01:21:11,248 --> 01:21:12,848
And of course, the past was terrible.

1580
01:21:12,848 --> 01:21:19,988
but then you're so focused on living in the past that then you're hijacking your future and like

1581
01:21:19,988 --> 01:21:25,508
people take decision who they support as politicians based on guilt based on whatever

1582
01:21:25,508 --> 01:21:31,688
like it's going back to karen bass too a lot of people would have not have voted for caruso at the

1583
01:21:31,688 --> 01:21:37,748
time because he's a white politician from that background but maybe he would have done a better

1584
01:21:37,748 --> 01:21:39,808
job for the fires.

1585
01:21:40,808 --> 01:21:41,948
In the 10 years

1586
01:21:41,948 --> 01:21:42,688
you've been here,

1587
01:21:43,588 --> 01:21:45,288
since you brought up racism,

1588
01:21:45,608 --> 01:21:47,648
do you think that is a real

1589
01:21:47,648 --> 01:21:49,548
thing in America or is that something

1590
01:21:49,548 --> 01:21:51,128
driven by the media?

1591
01:21:52,748 --> 01:21:53,488
I mean, racism

1592
01:21:53,488 --> 01:21:55,328
is a real thing, but

1593
01:21:55,328 --> 01:21:57,248
people here,

1594
01:21:57,468 --> 01:21:59,608
I think that's what I'm saying

1595
01:21:59,608 --> 01:22:01,368
in the left. People

1596
01:22:01,368 --> 01:22:03,988
want the problem to exist

1597
01:22:03,988 --> 01:22:05,248
so they can

1598
01:22:05,248 --> 01:22:13,688
validate themselves so they have a like something to do with their life to it gives them meaning

1599
01:22:13,688 --> 01:22:19,848
the fact that they are fighting for racism the fact they are fighting for immigrants it's not

1600
01:22:19,848 --> 01:22:25,968
it's they i don't think they really care necessarily about obviously i'm generalizing

1601
01:22:25,968 --> 01:22:33,728
but obviously i see a lot of people that they want to believe in like they need to feel meaning

1602
01:22:33,728 --> 01:22:41,488
in their life and so having this some something evil to fight for so i i don't know if the people

1603
01:22:41,488 --> 01:22:46,668
on the left would be able to even fight the racism that there is because i think it's kind of

1604
01:22:46,668 --> 01:22:53,428
convenient for them to have that kind of like it's the the revolution that someone said it perfectly

1605
01:22:53,428 --> 01:22:58,828
i don't remember who it was but that some people want to be in a forever revolution because it gives

1606
01:22:58,828 --> 01:23:06,448
the meaning. So obviously there is racism, but at the same time, I think people are exaggerating

1607
01:23:06,448 --> 01:23:12,708
in the situations very often. Is it always racism though? Like if we're going to have the

1608
01:23:12,708 --> 01:23:15,808
conversation, like you said, a lot of people don't want to have these conversations. Is it

1609
01:23:15,808 --> 01:23:21,708
really always racism? If you're describing a certain people group or the way they are,

1610
01:23:22,268 --> 01:23:27,288
is it racist all the time? Oh no. I mean like that cultural appropriation thing,

1611
01:23:27,288 --> 01:23:31,888
I, as an immigrant, I hate when people talk about, oh, you cannot do this.

1612
01:23:31,948 --> 01:23:34,248
You cannot say that because it's cultural appropriation.

1613
01:23:34,768 --> 01:23:36,128
I'm really against that.

1614
01:23:36,568 --> 01:23:42,828
And, but yeah, I mean, now I forgot what I was about to say, but.

1615
01:23:43,348 --> 01:23:43,628
Sorry.

1616
01:23:45,728 --> 01:23:47,188
But yeah, it's.

1617
01:23:47,248 --> 01:23:51,788
You were talking about how it's like we're in a forever war when it came to racism.

1618
01:23:51,788 --> 01:23:55,048
Like they want to be in this perpetual forever.

1619
01:23:55,048 --> 01:23:56,048
Forever revolution.

1620
01:23:56,048 --> 01:23:56,488
Yes.

1621
01:23:56,968 --> 01:23:57,228
Yes.

1622
01:23:57,288 --> 01:24:02,568
Yeah. I mean, like I've seen, like, even like now, like, that's the thing.

1623
01:24:02,668 --> 01:24:10,888
I don't believe people, I don't take what people say at face value because I think, again, people just say whatever they think you want to hear for some.

1624
01:24:10,888 --> 01:24:18,348
So I try to really get to know people in general and see where they come from, what they mean and everything.

1625
01:24:18,588 --> 01:24:20,088
So I just don't take everything.

1626
01:24:20,088 --> 01:24:25,828
But even now there were the protests against the No Kings protest.

1627
01:24:26,548 --> 01:24:29,388
And I see a lot of people in my life that are very much on the left.

1628
01:24:29,848 --> 01:24:35,848
And so there were all this situation, like Trump was doing policies against immigrants.

1629
01:24:36,268 --> 01:24:38,468
And I'm an immigrant and they know I'm on a visa.

1630
01:24:38,908 --> 01:24:41,768
How many people do you think even ask me, how am I doing?

1631
01:24:42,528 --> 01:24:42,928
Right.

1632
01:24:43,128 --> 01:24:43,648
No one.

1633
01:24:45,148 --> 01:24:46,628
That's where it makes me question.

1634
01:24:46,628 --> 01:24:51,748
It's like, okay, they're all supporting the protest.

1635
01:24:52,168 --> 01:24:54,868
They're all donating money to charity.

1636
01:24:54,868 --> 01:24:59,788
They want to speak with you before asking you how you feel about the situation, right?

1637
01:25:00,388 --> 01:25:00,628
Yeah.

1638
01:25:00,768 --> 01:25:05,948
I mean, they have an immigrant around them and they really cared about me,

1639
01:25:06,068 --> 01:25:08,828
but they didn't even ask me, how am I doing?

1640
01:25:08,928 --> 01:25:10,268
What my visa situation is?

1641
01:25:10,468 --> 01:25:11,248
None of them.

1642
01:25:11,688 --> 01:25:12,028
Zero.

1643
01:25:12,388 --> 01:25:12,868
Zero people.

1644
01:25:12,868 --> 01:25:18,248
And I keep seeing like notification donating on Instagram to organizations pro-immigration.

1645
01:25:18,708 --> 01:25:20,368
They didn't even ask me a question.

1646
01:25:20,548 --> 01:25:21,628
So that's where I am.

1647
01:25:24,968 --> 01:25:41,208
That's where like I'm very like I'm going to say I'm a broken soul because, yeah, I mean, I see if you really care about immigrants, first of all, you should care about the ones in your life first before actually like showing off on social media how much you care or whatever it is.

1648
01:25:41,208 --> 01:25:42,508
And I'm not saying that.

1649
01:25:42,508 --> 01:25:45,148
I'm not seeing that from the people on the left.

1650
01:25:45,368 --> 01:25:47,948
So it seems always very much about the performance.

1651
01:25:48,828 --> 01:25:51,428
And so, yeah, I'm a broken soul.

1652
01:25:51,848 --> 01:25:52,848
I don't trust anyone.

1653
01:25:53,188 --> 01:25:53,468
It's fine.

1654
01:25:53,728 --> 01:25:58,928
I think you spoke to one thing that is wrong with America, and that's people are self-absorbed.

1655
01:25:59,208 --> 01:26:10,028
And they're chasing the idea of being a famous, popular person, whether that's through social media as an influencer or within their own little circle.

1656
01:26:10,028 --> 01:26:24,501
But I find lately these days that not as many people care as they make themselves out to care or say they say they do It become a very cold society I think It not what it used to be and that unfortunate

1657
01:26:25,401 --> 01:26:28,601
When it comes to immigration, look, I want everybody to succeed.

1658
01:26:28,741 --> 01:26:29,401
I don't care.

1659
01:26:29,641 --> 01:26:31,641
I personally don't care if you want to come to this country.

1660
01:26:31,741 --> 01:26:35,261
I just say, we're going to come to this country, live in the country, respect the country,

1661
01:26:35,261 --> 01:26:37,521
and basically integrate.

1662
01:26:37,961 --> 01:26:39,301
I expect the same myself.

1663
01:26:39,301 --> 01:26:48,141
If I decided, look, I'm done with America or I want to go live somewhere else, I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that I'm supporting that nation.

1664
01:26:48,441 --> 01:26:49,461
Wherever I am, I'm going to respect it.

1665
01:26:49,481 --> 01:26:51,301
We're respecting the rules and respecting everything.

1666
01:26:52,421 --> 01:26:56,641
Whether you like the rule or not, you're supposed to follow the rules and the process.

1667
01:26:57,181 --> 01:26:59,921
Well, what I don't understand is how can you say you're running?

1668
01:27:00,981 --> 01:27:09,021
How can you say you're a refugee and you're looking for something better to come here and create exactly what it is you were running from?

1669
01:27:09,301 --> 01:27:13,261
Yeah, I don't think it's the immigrants that want the socialism.

1670
01:27:13,561 --> 01:27:17,481
I think it's very much the American people who have never lived abroad.

1671
01:27:18,101 --> 01:27:23,701
Because, yeah, if you're an immigrant, it's very unlikely that...

1672
01:27:23,701 --> 01:27:26,121
I mean, depending on which countries you're coming from.

1673
01:27:26,221 --> 01:27:30,421
Obviously, if you're coming from France, it's a different thing than if you're coming from Venezuela, obviously.

1674
01:27:30,681 --> 01:27:36,581
But I think that's very much American left that they think they want to build socialism.

1675
01:27:37,201 --> 01:27:38,861
And again, a lot of people...

1676
01:27:39,301 --> 01:27:41,741
People, the average person,

1677
01:27:41,841 --> 01:27:43,381
they understand that they have to work

1678
01:27:43,381 --> 01:27:45,161
for having a better life.

1679
01:27:45,421 --> 01:27:47,361
They don't think it should be given for free

1680
01:27:47,361 --> 01:27:48,541
by the government.

1681
01:27:49,501 --> 01:27:51,121
And people understand it.

1682
01:27:51,581 --> 01:27:53,141
What's your warning to America then?

1683
01:27:54,001 --> 01:27:56,061
As someone who's speaking

1684
01:27:56,061 --> 01:27:58,381
pretty plainly against socialism,

1685
01:27:58,481 --> 01:27:59,001
what's your warning?

1686
01:27:59,141 --> 01:28:00,501
What are you going to say to everybody

1687
01:28:00,501 --> 01:28:01,161
as an immigrant,

1688
01:28:01,361 --> 01:28:02,261
someone who's lived in a country

1689
01:28:02,261 --> 01:28:03,101
who had a history

1690
01:28:03,101 --> 01:28:05,461
of communism and socialist policies?

1691
01:28:05,461 --> 01:28:06,521
I mean, I wouldn't say that

1692
01:28:06,521 --> 01:28:08,661
my country's history.

1693
01:28:09,301 --> 01:28:14,361
it's like it's it's it doesn't work it's like strong safety net but i wouldn't say it's a

1694
01:28:14,361 --> 01:28:19,161
socialist or communist though no i'm talking about his past that could had its it had its time

1695
01:28:19,161 --> 01:28:24,701
you know where america never experienced it really right yeah i mean we also had fascism we had all

1696
01:28:24,701 --> 01:28:32,761
those kind of things really so i mean i mean i think it's just like people need to question

1697
01:28:32,761 --> 01:28:37,981
that that's the point of my documentary too like i'm not here to give you the answer because i don't

1698
01:28:37,981 --> 01:28:44,301
have all the answer but it's really about giving people to question things and don't just accept

1699
01:28:44,301 --> 01:28:51,721
what people are saying or like but sarah after doing your documentary do you question yourself

1700
01:28:51,721 --> 01:28:58,961
i've been questioning myself all my life i mean because that's where i'm like now i'm questioning

1701
01:28:58,961 --> 01:29:06,101
myself even more i'm just like i don't have the answer for anything because like yeah i saw how

1702
01:29:06,101 --> 01:29:07,461
things were done in Italy.

1703
01:29:07,701 --> 01:29:09,821
So when you were born in a country,

1704
01:29:10,001 --> 01:29:12,381
you just see that's all you know.

1705
01:29:12,541 --> 01:29:14,021
That's all you know what you see there.

1706
01:29:14,801 --> 01:29:16,101
And so it's very like,

1707
01:29:16,161 --> 01:29:17,261
but when you go to other countries,

1708
01:29:17,261 --> 01:29:19,541
you start questioning everything

1709
01:29:19,541 --> 01:29:21,001
that you actually learned.

1710
01:29:21,501 --> 01:29:23,581
I very much liked your approach,

1711
01:29:23,641 --> 01:29:24,201
your documentary.

1712
01:29:24,201 --> 01:29:24,801
I did.

1713
01:29:25,061 --> 01:29:26,921
I liked how you presented it

1714
01:29:26,921 --> 01:29:28,521
fairly unbiased,

1715
01:29:28,541 --> 01:29:29,401
at least from my perspective.

1716
01:29:29,401 --> 01:29:29,981
You know,

1717
01:29:30,101 --> 01:29:32,741
and I would encourage people

1718
01:29:32,741 --> 01:29:33,581
to watch it for sure.

1719
01:29:34,601 --> 01:29:35,921
My question for you,

1720
01:29:36,101 --> 01:29:42,141
Because it sounds like you're here to stay in America and you really love American politics.

1721
01:29:42,261 --> 01:29:43,081
And look, it's fun.

1722
01:29:43,161 --> 01:29:43,681
It's entertaining.

1723
01:29:43,821 --> 01:29:49,301
But at the same time, there is a real question about the future of America, especially as

1724
01:29:49,301 --> 01:29:50,381
we're approaching 2028.

1725
01:29:50,501 --> 01:29:51,661
Look, once Trump is done, he's done.

1726
01:29:51,721 --> 01:29:52,221
He's out, right?

1727
01:29:52,261 --> 01:29:52,621
Last term.

1728
01:29:53,021 --> 01:29:54,261
We don't know what we're going to look forward to.

1729
01:29:55,021 --> 01:29:58,961
So for you as a documentarian, someone who's trying to get down to the bottom of things

1730
01:29:58,961 --> 01:30:04,761
and really expose the truth, or at least let people have access to the truth, right?

1731
01:30:04,761 --> 01:30:07,201
what's next for you?

1732
01:30:07,261 --> 01:30:08,081
What's your next project?

1733
01:30:08,241 --> 01:30:09,921
What are you working on?

1734
01:30:10,081 --> 01:30:11,821
I know you have to have something else

1735
01:30:11,821 --> 01:30:13,841
that you were probably like,

1736
01:30:13,901 --> 01:30:15,801
look, I need to dive into this next topic

1737
01:30:15,801 --> 01:30:16,841
or this next thing.

1738
01:30:17,281 --> 01:30:18,221
What is it for you next?

1739
01:30:18,301 --> 01:30:18,741
What do you think?

1740
01:30:19,321 --> 01:30:22,081
I mean, I'm very stuck with New York politics

1741
01:30:22,081 --> 01:30:23,481
at this point of my life.

1742
01:30:24,101 --> 01:30:24,821
So yeah, New York,

1743
01:30:25,121 --> 01:30:26,141
like my heart is there.

1744
01:30:26,141 --> 01:30:26,341
Especially now, right?

1745
01:30:26,701 --> 01:30:27,921
Especially now, yeah.

1746
01:30:28,321 --> 01:30:31,401
So I mean, I'm still dealing with this project.

1747
01:30:31,541 --> 01:30:32,741
I'm still in debt from this.

1748
01:30:32,741 --> 01:30:36,021
so I'm not really planning my future anytime soon.

1749
01:30:36,841 --> 01:30:40,981
So it's hard to say, but it's a mini-series now,

1750
01:30:41,141 --> 01:30:43,041
so I could always do a second season

1751
01:30:43,041 --> 01:30:46,501
and just expand to different topics or anything.

1752
01:30:46,821 --> 01:30:48,721
So we'll see what's in the future.

1753
01:30:48,721 --> 01:30:51,181
But obviously, there is more in this country.

1754
01:30:51,341 --> 01:30:54,021
Obviously, yeah, the division is not getting better.

1755
01:30:55,601 --> 01:30:57,581
All the issues are not getting better.

1756
01:30:57,941 --> 01:31:00,521
And again, I think people need to question more,

1757
01:31:00,521 --> 01:31:05,141
think more, accept other people more, listen to what other people are saying instead of like

1758
01:31:05,141 --> 01:31:10,121
putting themselves in a vacuum. So I think you have a lot of talk, like, for example,

1759
01:31:10,221 --> 01:31:13,921
if you just stay down the road, you are, you know, this is what New Yorkers say, for example,

1760
01:31:13,921 --> 01:31:19,461
and you do a second season, it's easy to keep going. You know, I mean, look, Andrew Cuomo's

1761
01:31:19,461 --> 01:31:22,581
situation done. Now, now we're talking about what's going on with Mount Donnie, what's going

1762
01:31:22,581 --> 01:31:27,121
on with the acceptance of socialism, what's happening with the way people perceive immigration

1763
01:31:27,121 --> 01:31:27,661
and immigrants,

1764
01:31:28,121 --> 01:31:29,021
I mean, there's so much

1765
01:31:29,021 --> 01:31:29,761
to talk about.

1766
01:31:29,881 --> 01:31:30,801
I mean, you could definitely,

1767
01:31:31,101 --> 01:31:31,701
I mean, this could be

1768
01:31:31,701 --> 01:31:32,541
an ongoing thing for you,

1769
01:31:32,581 --> 01:31:32,901
for sure.

1770
01:31:33,201 --> 01:31:33,721
Yeah, definitely.

1771
01:31:34,001 --> 01:31:34,961
Yeah, I'm not doing

1772
01:31:34,961 --> 01:31:35,681
a documentary

1773
01:31:35,681 --> 01:31:36,781
in a positive light

1774
01:31:36,781 --> 01:31:37,521
about Mandani.

1775
01:31:37,641 --> 01:31:38,501
That's not happening.

1776
01:31:39,121 --> 01:31:40,321
I know some friends are like,

1777
01:31:40,361 --> 01:31:40,861
oh, you should make

1778
01:31:40,861 --> 01:31:42,081
a second season about Mandani.

1779
01:31:42,201 --> 01:31:43,421
No, I'm stuck in with Cuomo.

1780
01:31:43,561 --> 01:31:44,381
Thank you.

1781
01:31:44,381 --> 01:31:45,221
Very much.

1782
01:31:46,021 --> 01:31:46,861
Stuck with him.

1783
01:31:47,001 --> 01:31:47,461
And I'm like,

1784
01:31:47,501 --> 01:31:48,561
I'm not doing anything

1785
01:31:48,561 --> 01:31:49,921
positive about Mandani,

1786
01:31:50,041 --> 01:31:50,561
for sure.

1787
01:31:51,081 --> 01:31:51,721
Well, maybe you should,

1788
01:31:51,761 --> 01:31:52,661
maybe you should expose

1789
01:31:52,661 --> 01:31:54,001
Mandani for what he is anyway.

1790
01:31:54,381 --> 01:31:55,161
Maybe that could be

1791
01:31:55,161 --> 01:31:56,021
another project of yours.

1792
01:31:56,121 --> 01:31:56,561
Yeah, hopefully.

1793
01:31:56,561 --> 01:31:58,461
he'll expose himself soon

1794
01:31:58,461 --> 01:31:58,781
eventually

1795
01:31:58,781 --> 01:31:59,801
I think he already has

1796
01:31:59,801 --> 01:32:00,441
you know

1797
01:32:00,441 --> 01:32:01,421
we're going to wrap up soon

1798
01:32:01,421 --> 01:32:01,901
but I

1799
01:32:01,901 --> 01:32:03,281
I never asked you

1800
01:32:03,281 --> 01:32:04,081
because when you talk about

1801
01:32:04,081 --> 01:32:04,401
Mamdani

1802
01:32:04,401 --> 01:32:05,181
what did you think

1803
01:32:05,181 --> 01:32:06,301
what did you think of that

1804
01:32:06,301 --> 01:32:07,261
interaction between

1805
01:32:07,261 --> 01:32:08,221
Trump and Mamdani

1806
01:32:08,221 --> 01:32:09,421
in the White House

1807
01:32:09,421 --> 01:32:09,721
I mean I

1808
01:32:09,721 --> 01:32:11,261
it was so bad

1809
01:32:11,261 --> 01:32:12,341
like honestly

1810
01:32:12,341 --> 01:32:13,321
like it looked to me

1811
01:32:13,321 --> 01:32:14,081
he looked so bad

1812
01:32:14,081 --> 01:32:14,721
for Mamdani

1813
01:32:14,721 --> 01:32:15,101
honestly

1814
01:32:15,101 --> 01:32:16,901
like I've seen a lot of people

1815
01:32:16,901 --> 01:32:17,881
having different opinion

1816
01:32:17,881 --> 01:32:18,381
about it

1817
01:32:18,381 --> 01:32:19,241
but he looked like

1818
01:32:19,241 --> 01:32:21,001
he was Trump's intern

1819
01:32:21,001 --> 01:32:22,641
that's what he looked like

1820
01:32:22,641 --> 01:32:23,001
to me

1821
01:32:23,001 --> 01:32:23,241
like

1822
01:32:23,241 --> 01:32:24,621
yeah like he looked like

1823
01:32:24,621 --> 01:32:25,821
his son or anything

1824
01:32:25,821 --> 01:32:26,261
so

1825
01:32:26,261 --> 01:32:29,061
So, like, I don't know.

1826
01:32:29,201 --> 01:32:31,841
Like, I can see Trump's strategy, obviously.

1827
01:32:32,741 --> 01:32:32,941
Yeah.

1828
01:32:33,281 --> 01:32:36,441
He had to show that he was, like, good with him,

1829
01:32:36,521 --> 01:32:37,781
that he was not a crazy person.

1830
01:32:37,781 --> 01:32:39,981
And I think people overestimate.

1831
01:32:40,101 --> 01:32:42,901
Like, they always think bad things about Trump,

1832
01:32:43,061 --> 01:32:44,161
that they think he's crazy.

1833
01:32:44,261 --> 01:32:45,421
He does everything bad.

1834
01:32:45,421 --> 01:32:47,461
But when you actually see the full video,

1835
01:32:47,761 --> 01:32:49,421
you see a different picture, honestly.

1836
01:32:49,701 --> 01:32:53,101
He's not as crazy and irrational as sometimes.

1837
01:32:53,101 --> 01:33:02,281
What I saw was, you know, a lot of good opinion, like you said, where Mamdani made fun of Trump and, you know, showed Trump to be the idiot he is.

1838
01:33:02,421 --> 01:33:06,361
But reality is, is he made the statement, hey, we're here to see you succeed.

1839
01:33:06,561 --> 01:33:08,121
We're here to support you.

1840
01:33:08,681 --> 01:33:09,861
Well, now Mamdani's stuck.

1841
01:33:09,961 --> 01:33:15,261
He's in a position that he has to move forward with his crazy ideas and policies.

1842
01:33:15,661 --> 01:33:18,061
And if it fails, Trump could go, hey, we were there for you.

1843
01:33:18,141 --> 01:33:18,441
Yeah, yeah.

1844
01:33:18,441 --> 01:33:19,461
Like he cannot blame Trump.

1845
01:33:19,461 --> 01:33:25,601
But also, it was funny because Mandani was acting as if he would fight Trump here and there.

1846
01:33:25,961 --> 01:33:30,201
The reality is, first of all, you're the mayor of New York City.

1847
01:33:30,401 --> 01:33:31,441
You need the president.

1848
01:33:31,981 --> 01:33:36,601
And anyway, whoever is the president, you need to work with that person to get things done.

1849
01:33:36,601 --> 01:33:42,021
Because you need funding from state, from the federal government, and everything.

1850
01:33:42,381 --> 01:33:45,941
So he needs Trump more than Trump needs Mandani anyway.

1851
01:33:45,941 --> 01:33:48,761
but that proved that he was all

1852
01:33:48,761 --> 01:33:50,781
like barking and not being

1853
01:33:50,781 --> 01:33:52,761
the real threat

1854
01:33:52,761 --> 01:33:54,501
that he kept promising he would be

1855
01:33:54,501 --> 01:33:56,281
so I think it was embarrassing for his people

1856
01:33:56,281 --> 01:33:58,381
I don't think Mamdani honestly

1857
01:33:58,381 --> 01:34:00,401
expected to win

1858
01:34:00,401 --> 01:34:02,801
I think he just wanted to disrupt

1859
01:34:02,801 --> 01:34:04,121
things I think that

1860
01:34:04,121 --> 01:34:06,001
I don't think he really

1861
01:34:06,001 --> 01:34:08,341
thought he would win because when he won

1862
01:34:08,341 --> 01:34:10,541
I don't

1863
01:34:10,541 --> 01:34:12,841
believe that he really believed it himself

1864
01:34:12,841 --> 01:34:14,941
yet and here he is realizing

1865
01:34:14,941 --> 01:34:15,761
oh wait

1866
01:34:15,941 --> 01:34:18,181
I got this position of power here

1867
01:34:18,181 --> 01:34:19,721
that's going to affect people.

1868
01:34:19,941 --> 01:34:22,981
And I'm trying to get them to accept my socialist ideas

1869
01:34:22,981 --> 01:34:24,041
and at the same time,

1870
01:34:24,121 --> 01:34:27,401
trying to figure out how to make them work

1871
01:34:27,401 --> 01:34:29,781
in our system of government.

1872
01:34:30,481 --> 01:34:32,001
And I think he's stuck.

1873
01:34:32,101 --> 01:34:34,201
I think it's the old saying,

1874
01:34:34,341 --> 01:34:35,321
like sink or swim, right?

1875
01:34:35,681 --> 01:34:37,321
Yeah, I didn't perceive that.

1876
01:34:37,321 --> 01:34:39,361
I think he thought he would win

1877
01:34:39,361 --> 01:34:40,721
and because he has all the support

1878
01:34:40,721 --> 01:34:42,001
of the network of the DSA.

1879
01:34:42,021 --> 01:34:43,041
I don't think he did in the beginning.

1880
01:34:43,401 --> 01:34:45,841
To me, Trump was more that in 2016.

1881
01:34:45,941 --> 01:34:47,761
to me, Trump was like,

1882
01:34:47,821 --> 01:34:48,681
oh my gosh, I won.

1883
01:34:48,741 --> 01:34:49,841
I didn't believe I would win.

1884
01:34:50,301 --> 01:34:51,161
That one, I believe.

1885
01:34:51,261 --> 01:34:52,381
Yeah, I can agree on that one.

1886
01:34:52,461 --> 01:34:53,821
I don't know if he believed

1887
01:34:53,821 --> 01:34:54,421
he was going to win,

1888
01:34:54,781 --> 01:34:56,241
but he was just doing it

1889
01:34:56,241 --> 01:34:57,421
out of spite in the beginning for sure.

1890
01:34:57,801 --> 01:34:59,241
But again, I'm going to go back to Mamdani.

1891
01:34:59,301 --> 01:35:01,561
I don't know if the play was him

1892
01:35:01,561 --> 01:35:02,321
thinking he was going to win.

1893
01:35:02,381 --> 01:35:03,741
I think once he picked up momentum,

1894
01:35:03,841 --> 01:35:04,601
he leaned into it,

1895
01:35:04,621 --> 01:35:05,501
but I don't think in the beginning

1896
01:35:05,501 --> 01:35:07,441
he thought that's what was going to happen.

1897
01:35:08,361 --> 01:35:08,961
But it did.

1898
01:35:09,501 --> 01:35:10,361
And like you said,

1899
01:35:10,361 --> 01:35:11,141
now they have a roadmap

1900
01:35:11,141 --> 01:35:13,561
of how to push another socialist candidate

1901
01:35:13,561 --> 01:35:14,221
somewhere else.

1902
01:35:14,221 --> 01:35:15,701
you know

1903
01:35:15,701 --> 01:35:16,681
so

1904
01:35:16,681 --> 01:35:17,581
let's

1905
01:35:17,581 --> 01:35:18,941
let's wrap up

1906
01:35:18,941 --> 01:35:19,161
Sarah

1907
01:35:19,161 --> 01:35:19,741
it's been a while

1908
01:35:19,741 --> 01:35:20,221
but

1909
01:35:20,221 --> 01:35:22,181
I know it's dark here

1910
01:35:22,181 --> 01:35:22,941
it's like the lights

1911
01:35:22,941 --> 01:35:23,981
kept going down

1912
01:35:23,981 --> 01:35:25,181
it's like it was

1913
01:35:25,181 --> 01:35:26,101
daytime before

1914
01:35:26,101 --> 01:35:26,701
well that's

1915
01:35:26,701 --> 01:35:27,421
that's what happens

1916
01:35:27,421 --> 01:35:28,061
you get to talking

1917
01:35:28,061 --> 01:35:28,861
look it's like you said

1918
01:35:28,861 --> 01:35:29,181
in the beginning

1919
01:35:29,181 --> 01:35:31,261
I love having these

1920
01:35:31,261 --> 01:35:31,961
long conversations

1921
01:35:31,961 --> 01:35:33,061
with people

1922
01:35:33,061 --> 01:35:34,261
because you get to see

1923
01:35:34,261 --> 01:35:34,981
who you are

1924
01:35:34,981 --> 01:35:35,761
honestly

1925
01:35:35,761 --> 01:35:36,921
and I think you're

1926
01:35:36,921 --> 01:35:37,581
you're great

1927
01:35:37,581 --> 01:35:38,721
I like what you're doing

1928
01:35:38,721 --> 01:35:40,501
I don't even know

1929
01:35:40,501 --> 01:35:41,061
if you're a Democrat

1930
01:35:41,061 --> 01:35:41,561
I don't know

1931
01:35:41,561 --> 01:35:42,241
you see more modern

1932
01:35:42,241 --> 01:35:43,201
I don't even know anymore

1933
01:35:43,201 --> 01:35:46,481
I say I'm in the center.

1934
01:35:46,741 --> 01:35:48,781
I think there are good policies on each side.

1935
01:35:49,001 --> 01:35:52,081
But yeah, at least I can see this.

1936
01:35:52,161 --> 01:35:56,761
It sounds like you're someone who's always going to come at things with an informed perspective.

1937
01:35:56,761 --> 01:35:58,341
And that's exactly what we need.

1938
01:35:58,401 --> 01:35:59,521
You question things.

1939
01:35:59,621 --> 01:36:04,241
I think what you're presenting in your documentary challenges people to see it the same way.

1940
01:36:04,521 --> 01:36:10,301
Not see it your way, but basically see it to the degree that I can't just accept the narrative or the headline.

1941
01:36:10,441 --> 01:36:12,121
I have to think past it.

1942
01:36:12,121 --> 01:36:13,001
I have to think critically.

1943
01:36:13,201 --> 01:36:14,501
And I think that is,

1944
01:36:14,621 --> 01:36:15,601
we need more of that.

1945
01:36:15,661 --> 01:36:16,461
So that's why I was asking,

1946
01:36:16,561 --> 01:36:17,181
like, look, what's next?

1947
01:36:17,221 --> 01:36:17,821
Are you gonna do something else?

1948
01:36:18,281 --> 01:36:19,981
And whatever you decide to do,

1949
01:36:20,261 --> 01:36:21,601
I think people should check it out.

1950
01:36:21,701 --> 01:36:22,741
I think they should support you.

1951
01:36:23,621 --> 01:36:25,001
Tell everybody about your website,

1952
01:36:25,141 --> 01:36:26,001
where they could find you,

1953
01:36:26,141 --> 01:36:26,481
everything.

1954
01:36:26,741 --> 01:36:26,941
I mean,

1955
01:36:27,021 --> 01:36:29,341
if they want to check out my documentary,

1956
01:36:29,781 --> 01:36:31,761
it's now on Apple TV.

1957
01:36:32,061 --> 01:36:33,121
It's on Tubi.

1958
01:36:33,241 --> 01:36:34,721
It's on Google Play,

1959
01:36:35,261 --> 01:36:35,601
YouTube,

1960
01:36:35,841 --> 01:36:36,541
and Zoom.

1961
01:36:37,121 --> 01:36:38,601
And so you can just go to

1962
01:36:38,601 --> 01:36:40,521
thisiswhthenewyorkerssay.com.

1963
01:36:40,841 --> 01:36:41,741
And that's the website

1964
01:36:41,741 --> 01:36:42,701
where there is the information

1965
01:36:42,701 --> 01:36:44,641
you can find the link to watch it there.

1966
01:36:45,001 --> 01:36:45,881
You can read more about me.

1967
01:36:45,981 --> 01:36:47,321
You can follow me on social media.

1968
01:36:47,881 --> 01:36:49,801
And yeah, just write me.

1969
01:36:49,881 --> 01:36:51,601
Let me know what you think about the documentary.

1970
01:36:51,921 --> 01:36:54,661
I'm always interested in hearing what people think about that.

1971
01:36:55,101 --> 01:36:56,921
Yeah, I feel that we can keep talking.

1972
01:36:57,341 --> 01:37:00,161
So we'll have to schedule something again because...

1973
01:37:00,161 --> 01:37:00,661
Yeah, anytime.

1974
01:37:00,941 --> 01:37:02,181
I think it'd be great.

1975
01:37:02,981 --> 01:37:03,301
All right.

1976
01:37:03,341 --> 01:37:04,221
I appreciate your time.

1977
01:37:04,781 --> 01:37:07,501
And I encourage everybody to watch your documentary

1978
01:37:07,501 --> 01:37:08,361
and support your work.

1979
01:37:08,441 --> 01:37:08,701
I really do.

1980
01:37:09,301 --> 01:37:09,861
Thank you.

1981
01:37:12,701 --> 01:37:17,701
Kind redemption, honesty is a one way gate to hell

1982
01:37:42,701 --> 01:38:12,681
Thank you.