Jeff Garner - Industry Icon Exposes the Toxic Fashion Industry

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You are listening to a Fonds Media Network production.

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On today's episode, I welcome world renowned fashion designer Jeff Garner.

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Jeff is not just a fashion designer, He's also a

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renowned author, visual artist, and documentarian. We dive into his

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latest effort, Let Them Be Naked, a documentary in which

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Jeff dove into the deep end of the fashion histry

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to expose the willing use of harmful chemicals and synthetic

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fabrics that negatively impact our health. I know you'll enjoy

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this conversation and please go watch Jeff's soon to be

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released documentary Let Them Be Naked. To begin with, I

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want to thank you for your time man, that you

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agreed to do this. I found what you were doing

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is very interesting. And what triggered that is one day

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with my wife and I actually saw a documentary on

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pollution and they focused in on clothing being like a

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second leading cause of pollution. And then they took you

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over to Indonesia and they were talking about all the

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pollution there, and then they showed the shores on the beaches,

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you know, and have all the clothes were piling up everywhere,

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and we're just we're just tripping out on that, and

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when I came across your profile and what you do

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in your documentary, I was like, okay, I got to

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talk to I gotta talk to Jeff. You went out

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there and you really dug into it. So I found

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what you were doing intriguing and important. And thanks for

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the link, by the way, I did get to see that,

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and it was very well done, by the way, So

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congratulations that you did a good job on it.

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Thank you, Bud. I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, it's you know,

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you can tell it's been a lifelong journey. So yeah,

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was in the last minute kind of let's do a

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talk about this.

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So yeah, no, we can tell it was. It was

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pretty well done and very eye opening. And with that

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being said, what so just watching the doc which not

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everybody has seen yet because it's still going through the

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festivals and whatnot. But so I don't want to give

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too much away in there. We'll obviously talk about it,

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but I want to I want to be able to

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let people see it for themselves and then you know,

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they could form their own opinions or you know, conclusions

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based on the evidence that you present and what you did.

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But sure, I.

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Have to ask so you mentioned something about your mother

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and that's what led you to look into the toxicity

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of clothing as in the materials, dies, et cetera. Was

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that the only time that you considered that, or was

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there like any other time in your journey where you thought, Hey,

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this isn't right how we're putting all this stuff on

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our skin and how things are being handled. Was there

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any other moments your life that triggered that or was

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that Was that kind of like the straw that broke

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the camels back and you're like, Okay, there's something wrong.

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Yeah, No, I mean when I first started back in

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two thousand three, Okay, I kind of discovered the toxicity

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when my mom passed. That's what led me down the

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path of like, I have to do a documentary because

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that's the only catalyst or platform to get it out there.

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And it lives beyond us, right, So I could sit

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here and do and I've done over one hundred catwalk

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shows all around the world with US embassies, with speaking engagements,

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ted talks. None of it's going to have an impact

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unless you get it on a screen. And so when

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she passed, I was like, Okay, now's the time, you know,

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because you know, I'm not a filmmaker. Part of me

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was like, well, people believe this, not believe it, you know,

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And so yeah, that's why I did that three hundred

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page book. And then along with the docs, I wanted

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to make sure that nobody he could come alongside say

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oh it's conspiracy theory or oh you know, your science

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isn't good, which Ted Talks tried to do, and I

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burned that scientist out of his job basically because you know,

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the data is there, the science there, it's all been

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you know, peer reviewed, and we did our own studies

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as well. So it's one of these kind of interesting

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subject matters that hasn't got the tension and it's been

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studied because as we say in the documentary that it

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depends who's funding the studies, what kind of information and

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answers the don't want to get out of it, and

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whether they want to disclose it or not, it's up

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to them. But for example, one thing we didn't put

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the doc is that you know, the Army outlawed under

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armour years ago to wear underneath their uniforms, so they

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were the guys were wearing under armor underneath the uniforms. Well,

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the uniforms themselves have pfats in it. It's say, you know,

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it's basically pretending like it's an old slick, so it

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keeps the uniform catching fire, right, and so they would

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wear these under armor underneath, but they outlawed it. Now

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they can only wear a natural cotton because they learned

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that when the guys got into war, and you know,

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the fire happened, et cetera, it made the wounds worse.

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It melts into the wounds.

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That's interesting. And then you also found a study that

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it actually affected performance as well.

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Is that correct? So you know, if you look at

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muscle fatigue, muscle fatigue happens when you don't have oxygen

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oxygen supply, right, So when you have a non permanable

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fabrication i e. Polyester nylon, it doesn't allow any breatheability

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to happen, so there's no oxygen exchange taking place. So

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our skin is beautiful, like we can get you know,

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even water through our skin. It's a beautiful, amazing design.

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So we block that process. We're going to dehydratrate ourselves

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and obviously we're going to cut off our oxygen supply.

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So therefore it's gonna cause of fatigue. And so there's

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a study that's already been done before we got into

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this that basically confirmed you get have a twenty five

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percent you know, fatigue, you know, compared to wearing a

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natural fiber that allows breathabilding, et cetera. So Darren and

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I we did in the film just to test it ourselves,

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and it came out around twenty three twenty four percent.

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So it's really interesting. So it's just, you know, that's

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when you look at science, it doesn't you know, it

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doesn't lie, that's it. But nobody's kind of putting together

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the dots, the synergy of effect. You know, Polyester was

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just invented during the war the animals put into clothing

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soon after because the chemical industries wanted to find a

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new use for it so they could keep selling it.

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And then we didn't question it, and we actually liked

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it because it made our clothing cheaper so we could

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buy more, you know, but we never ever tested what

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happens when you put this on your skin, what happens

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when these ladies stop wearing silk stockings and put on

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Nyland stockings. Right, But then that's while we also included

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the dog. You remember we went back to this, you know,

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professor who spent ten years of our life studying you

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know what happened back in the day with these victims

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of fashion that we're wearing an arsenic dress, you know,

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dyed green?

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Remember that?

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Yeah, yeah, so that sticks out. So we're still using

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those same chemicals. It's it's ironic. So but back then

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you could have you could really see it because London Pairs,

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et cetera, all these fashion hubs actually made the garments

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there in their backyard, so you could see the correlation.

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Now the correlations you can't see because we're manufacturing and

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thermal country we're in you know, India, we're in Indonesia,

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we're in China. We don't see it, you know.

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But you also got to ask a question, do the

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manufacturers care? I mean, does that also just give them

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deniability in the process or plausible deniability, like giving themselves

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some distance because in the end, I the problem I

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see in most any industry, because obviously we're talking about

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healthier is it's crazy to me how large corporation will

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sacrifice the health of the world just for a few

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extra dollars, which is which is nuts and in a way,

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like what you're doing right, you're making the hemp briefs

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and whatnot or undergarments because what you found and studies

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out there and how actually will affect male reproduction, right, testosterone,

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all of that just from having that synthetic material always

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right up against your skin. So that's really cool. But

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is it good to cost that much more for these

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manufacturers to make that shift back to natural organic materials

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or are they just so ingrained with what they got

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now in their operational machinery that they just don't want

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to put the money out to make the switch.

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Yeah, I mean listen, I yeah, there will be a

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let's call it a learning curve where they're going to

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have to revert back to the natural fabris and the dyes.

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But if you recall, like the original like gene was

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hemp denim, and it was the cheap fabric because it

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was easy to grow. Everyone was growing it. So what

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we're talking about is corporate greed. So they want to

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own the fabrication. They don't want you to be able

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to grow at your backyard. They want to own it.

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Call it a name. Let's call it lia cell or tensil.

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You know, like what the hell is that? And then

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you learn it's like made in laboratory, So they own

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that trademark. Therefore they owned the distribution and then they

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own obviously the profits. So will they let go of that? No,

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But what they'll they'll do is introduce new fabrics that

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are like they'll call it bio based, and like, what

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does that mean? So that means they add, you know,

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it's still a polymer, still a polyester, but they use

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some wood pulp instead of it all being black.

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Right, So then for them to actually grow.

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The hemp, and and you know that that's a different

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business strategy because you don't own the distribution. So when

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you develop that hemp, I could grow hemp and sell it,

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and then you could grow hemp and sell it. And

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we're both selling hemp, like we don't own hemp fabric

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and that's the difference. So their profit margins will be different,

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their scale will be different. But I don't think that's

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a bad thing. I think it's kind of like fight club,

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where these things have to blow up and then we

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have to reinvent what the new kind of fashion industry

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looks like using these better fabrications, these dyes. Because the

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trajectory we're going, you know, and I'm not a doom

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and gloom guy, but it's just impossible to keep up with.

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Even designers I know are quitting the business, et cetera

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because it's impossible. Like the fast fashion created this mechanism

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where they're driving that consumer desire to replace the order

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of every weekend. We don't need that in our society.

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You know, we need to design that waistcoat, that shirt

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that we wear for ten years, and it becomes who

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we are in character. So it's affecting, you know, society

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in a way too. Sociology wise, We're people are insecure

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more and more now because they're inside of their true character.

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They don't know who they are because they keep chaining

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themselves every weekend, every trend, every you know. And back

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in the day, i'd see you walking down the street,

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I'd be like, oh, you know, there goes George and

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a scarf because I recognize that scarf. You've had it

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for years, your mom sewed it for you. That's you, buddy.

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But that's not it's a weird, interesting cycle, rim but

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it's all about driving consumers back in the store to

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buy more stuff they don't need. So it's an addiction

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cycle we have to break and then we can bring

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in back that natural fabrication and die process because we're

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not having to output as quickly and as much as

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the synthetics allow them to do it. And that's it.

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It's like shelf syndrome. You build a shelf, people are

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going to fill it. That's just human nature. So we

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make the synthetic stuff illegal because it should be, because

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it's a help issue and toxic and causing cancer. Then

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we're there. They'll be forced to use better ingredients. And

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it's happened in the food industry, it needs to happen

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in fashion because yeah, and that's why we're connecting. Like

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what you put on your body goes into your skin,

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so it is a liability.

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It's funny brought up the food industry because I did.

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I actually did an episode. I did a deep dive

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on that and finding all the dies, all the additives

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that are banned in the EU and what is acceptable

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in America and how our FDA is just really not

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looking out for our best interest.

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Now.

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It's really ridiculous. And you know, brands here when they

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have to ship out to the UK or anywhere else,

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that they have to actually remake that package and the

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ingredients to meet those standards overseas, and that's the only

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time that they'll be forced to do it. But yet

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they can't take that packaging. Let's say that's going to

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the UK and then just say, okay, we're also good

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to distribute to everybody in America. They would rather just

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keep those toxic, carnful chemicals in our foods because it's

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just cheaper, which is ridiculous. And I never understood how,

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you know, and you're right when it comes even even

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with clothing, they've always catchphrase, it's just marketing, you know,

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they're just just trying to capture, capture people's attentions, people

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who have a tendency to want to make a change.

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You're like, oh, look it says bio like you said,

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or organic or whatever, and just because it says that

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on the label, like okay, I'm doing something good, but

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not realizing that there's still a percentage of those harmful

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materials within that fabric in and of itself, which is crazy.

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I got to ask you, though I've always been interested

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in this, when because I never paid attention to be

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quite honest, when did fast fashion become a thing because

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in the pioneer days, like when we were trying to

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become civilized people, civilice society, we wore our clothes out.

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They were functional, right, they had to last, they had

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to be rugged, they had to get us through the day.

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And then all of a sudden there was this thing

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where it was like, oh, I need a new shirt,

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a new coat, a new belt, everything, Like every other

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week you got to go to the store and buy

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something new. Do you know when that started happening.

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It was basically late nineties, early two thousands. It's when

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that kind of business model developed. It was with Top

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Shop in London. H and M's are those who are

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kind of the beginning of this kind of idea that

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we you know, unfortunately, it's very inethical. They would go

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to the catwalk shows, knock off designers like myself because

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that we set the trends, go back, turn it into

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their system. Therea got built and they could literally turn

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it out in two weeks and have it in the shop.

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So we do seasonal, so we present a season and

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then we don't make it to the following season. They

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already have our designs in their shops selling to consumers.

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And it was just and they realized, wow, we're ahead

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of the game, so we couldn't compete with it because

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we just we have to take orders in know what

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we're producing before we produce it, otherwise we'll go out

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of business. But they were able to like just kind

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of predict how much they would sell depending on how

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manuch stores they have, and they would just anty up

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and do production and throw it in the stores and

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that's and it worked, and then they were making a

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lot of money and that's when, you know, and it

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sped up everything. So these factories the text you know

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before you couldn't get and they're using cheap fabrics, so

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it's not like they have to make their fabric, it's

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you know, pre existing, so you know, and they use

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cheap hardware, so they're not making their hardware like their zippers.

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We make our zippers or snaps, you know, and all

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that stuff. So yeah, it was just a different model

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that had not been introduced because everyone that the the

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buyers changed to where they just wanted cheap versus quality,

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and you know, they didn't and they started teaching and

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design school design obsolescents, which is basically, how do you

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make a garment that falls apart after free washes, and

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so what it would do is drive the consumer back in.

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It was a business idea that they would drive people

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back in to buy a new shirt. And they even

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did a recycling program in the same manner, but they

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wouldn't recycle the garments. But they're like, oh, if you

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drop off the shirt. They did. It's when a person

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walks through the store to drop that shirt off, they'll

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buy something new. So it was all like social behavior

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stuff that they realized the psychology of it, and you know,

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some smart business guy with no ethics decided that's a

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new way and made bank and nobody looked back. And

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then everybody copied that model, and then now we're dealing

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with a huge amount of like you saw on the beach,

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that's what we're dealing with now because of that new cycle.

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And the college kids loved it because they could buy

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a new outfit for their date that weekend. And so,

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you know, nobody really.

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Blew the whistle until we saw it piling up, you know,

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and yeah.

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Yeah, it's it's crazy because you're just it is societal.

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Then we need to get away from I got to

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have the latest, greatest the trend right, and what happened

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it seemed in the fashions the same thing that's been

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happening in the tech industry for years too, Like do

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we need a new iPhone every year? No, Technologically that

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thing's more powerful the computers the used to build the nineties.

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I'd be quite honest, I don't need to upgrade. But

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everybody thinks, oh, the newest, I gotta have it, But

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no you don't. So yeah, it is we need. We

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need to definitely retrain our culture in society. But it's

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not just here, it's it's a worldwide thing, which is sad.

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What I found interesting too is I was unaware with

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like polyester's when is that most of everything we wear

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is literally plastic? And it's crazy how the petroleum industry

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is in grain and and embedded in everything. Everything from

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our tupperware to like our utensils, you name it. Everything

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has a bit of oil or petroleum in it. And

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how I don't know how to ask this question basically,

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why why are they I'm trying to understand how it's

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so cheap to use those fabrics, synthetic fabrics versus organic fabrics.

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I really am because I equate that to like gardening,

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for example, there's no reason organic vegetables should cost more

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in the store or outside the red tape. And that's

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another thing that I dove into one one day. I

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was I was just really interested into why is my

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organic apple or tomato costing more than the one from

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you know, the big farm for example, the big farm brands.

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Because when we grow our garden, ours is all organic.

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It doesn't cost us anything, no sprays, nothing, pesticides. But

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due to government regulations, they force these organic farmers to

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pay more. And I'm sure you know all about this

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and that is that something that's similar to is there

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any regulation like that in the clothing industry too? Like

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if they want to claim here is all organic fabrics,

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is there a certain number of hoops you got to

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jump through to prove that? Is there red tape like that?

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Also in the fashion industry.

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I mean there's certification programs I want you to buy

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into to certify your fabric. You don't have to do that, okay,

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I simply it simply is coming straight from the textile ar.

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It's just costing them more to grow it and spin

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it and do all the processing in that world is

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a processing thing, because you're not dealing with food. You're

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dealing with this is a liquid that they solidify through

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a machine and make polyester, right and onceing u those

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machines and you're just your ingredients so cheap, you just

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plug that. So with cotton, hemp and silk, obviously there's

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a harvesting time, there's a growing time, there's a picking time,

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there's a reading process, there's a spinning process. So there's

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a lot of labor intensity that goes into that, so

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that will never go away. There's machinery that helps, like

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a fornicator and other things that help that process. Instead

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of reading it in the ground and letting it rock

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for three months, you can throw it through that machine

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and that speeds it up. But that's the industrial age.

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But you know, can it be almost equal? Yes? I

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think so. When people buy into natural fibers, it will

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definitely create more production. Therefore will be better systems, will

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make more money, and then the price will come down

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and down and down. But like you said, hemp, you

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could grow anywhere, so technically it could be mass produced.

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It could grow in the mountains, grow in any climates.

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It's three months to you know, full fruition to have

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it picked. Cotton's a little bit more intensive, more water usage,

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et cetera. But that's why I'm a big hemp Fand

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but yeah, that would drive the pricing down.

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Now why they use patrolling.

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Base, it's think of it like you know, corn syrup

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for the food industry. It's just it's just always been

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the cheapest ingredient to kind of keep all of it

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together and create you know, is the base of it. Right,

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But yeah, I would, Yeah, I don't know. I mean,

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you're never going to have it equal for sure. Right

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now it's probably one to ten, meaning you're paying one

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buck for an eylon yard and you're paying ten for

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hemp yard, right.

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I think the thing with hemp, though, is I get

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what you're saying, because I mean you're you're you're directly

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and you're in it. This is what you do for

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a living, so I hear you. But the thing with

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hemp is it has so many uses from from paper

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to like you said, clothing. You could even use it

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to make building materials, which I've seen some companies starting

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to do. So I would, I would. I would think

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that there is definitely a possibility for farmers of hemp,

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for example, to be able to be subsidized by multiple

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industries to drive that crop down to where it would

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be beneficial to not just the clothing industry, but also

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to other industries in general, just as it happened with

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the patrolling products, you know. And at one time that

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was the direction that we were going, uh so until

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Hurst got involved and basically started buying all the hamp

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farms out and closing them. But that's another that's another journey.

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So yeah, it's it's it's a sad state. I'm gonna

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pivot just a bit because you I want to talk

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about you for a bit because my audience I usually

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am more of a politics news commentary, but I tend

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to love to talk to people who I find interesting

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and I like that, you know, for someone like he

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was leading the charge, for example, in this particular subject matter.

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But what got you into So you started with fashion?

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Is this correct? Okay? And then you ventured out into

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visual arts and then becoming a documentarian. So can you

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kind of give me your journey there of how that

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all evolved.

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Yeah, I'll do a short snaps.

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As I grew up in Nashville, Tennessee horse farm, You know,

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grandmothers stopped me to sew. They were you know, Granddad

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taught me how to work hard on a farm, and

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dad taught me how to ride a horse, and I

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just was of the earth. And then all my buddies

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were in bands. I said, hey, be in our band.

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I was like, no way, but I'll dress you. And

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then I started learning how to make clothes for the

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individual and what are they trying to say on stage

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with their music? And you know, I was always artists minded.

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And then when I got into merchandise production like pasta,

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salt ink and stuff like that, like, wow, this is

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a gnarly dirty business. And you know I come from

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a farm background. I'm like, I don't want my river dirty.

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I don't want my horses to be around this. I

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don't want to be around this. So I started asking

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questions and trying to drive like why are you guys

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doing it this way? And it's just that's what we

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could do. So it started that whole journey. And then

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I moved out to California, got more education and learn

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there were some guys out here already trying to grow

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a himp and do that whole world, and so yeah,

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it just kind of eventually just kept moving the dial

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for it. I mean, I remember one day talking to

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text seller. I'm like, hey, if you produce HIMP for me,

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I'll give you an order of band T shirts like

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fifty thousand, and I would kind of wage use what

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I had production wise to help develop new fabrics because

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back then there was nobody doing him, you know, not

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in the US at least, and so because it was

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too expensive and they thought nobody cared. And that was

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like early two thousands. So yeah, so that's kind of

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how I developed. It was just me just being that's stubborn,

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my country guy I am, and just be like, all right,

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we got to do this differently, and I don't agree

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with this, And it wasn't about money to me. It

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was about doing the right thing. You know.

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It sounds like you were always always as far as

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the fashion industry and then kind of always into the

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art scene itself. Sounds like did you play Did you

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play music yourself too? You playing instruments?

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Yeah, my mom was a pianist, a composer.

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She taught me how to play piano and I would

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you know, string, you know, kind of grow up in Tennessee,

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we kind of string and play on the weekends and dance,

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you know, as as part of growing up. But I

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never I'm not competitive. I don't like I honestly don't

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like being on stage. I don't like the limelight. I

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really that's that's not my funny to.

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Do these crazy fashion events and you don't like.

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Yeah, no, that takes a lot of effort.

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I like to design in my room, on my floor

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and make things. You know, the person behind the scenes, right, yeah,

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exactly exactly.

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I get it. So where you lived, you just grew

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up around all these people and just found a need

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and then you actually loved it. You just got behind

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it and just went went forward all out right.

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Yeah, yeah, I looked at the need, and I'm a

477
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you know, my brain, I'm my grandfather was one of

478
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.640
the first chemists, actually Openheimer hired for the Manhattan projects,

479
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.920
No Gridge, Tennessee. So I grew up with him just

480
00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.200
making stuff like learning out of problem solve, not going

481
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.960
off a blueprint or instructions and trying to create a

482
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.279
problem solve and figure things out. We used to build

483
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.359
radios and you know, we built my go card out

484
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:31.839
of wood and built the engine and just you know,

485
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.240
so I had that brain and that mechanical kind of

486
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:37.279
engineering background. So I was like, all right, I can

487
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.759
figure this out. Like let's try this, let's try this,

488
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.680
and like so this chemistry and natural dyes, you know.

489
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.720
So I went to Florence City, studied how they used

490
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:48.519
to do it, brought it back to Tennessee, found a

491
00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:51.000
couple of friends of mine who were kind of hippie

492
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.200
sisters doing ty die and like, hey, you guys want

493
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:55.400
to learn you know, how to do this, and let's

494
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.960
dive in. And we spent eight years developing out all

495
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.680
the colors and you know, learning what we could use

496
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.480
around Tennessee to die with, and then we expanded it

497
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:08.039
and anyways, so I love that problem solvemadic mind, you know.

498
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.160
But then it's like, how do we take something that's

499
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.480
crackedy and take it to scale and production? And so yeah,

500
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:16.160
so that's always been kind of the journey.

501
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.599
I think that's really cool, man, Yeah, honestly, and natural

502
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.680
dyes actually, so all of it was always plant based, right,

503
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.359
like vegetables, leaves, things like that, dirt. Is that how

504
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:27.440
most of all of it was made?

505
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:29.920
Yeah, I mean a lot of people say vegetables, and

506
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:32.200
I think because they have strong colors. I don't use

507
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.799
vegetables because the stain power is not there in my opinion.

508
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.039
But if you think about barts and leaves said a

509
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.759
lot of tannins in them, that's where you're going to

510
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.480
get really the deep rich colors that stay, you know,

511
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.279
and I love doing that. And then you know, but51200:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.359



things like marigold flowers, for example, with the gold tones51300:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.079



you could liptis leaves also are magical because they get gold,51400:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.279



gray and black, you know, and if you you know51500:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.000



the ideas, you mix it with metal, an iron will51600:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.079



get the dark, you know, make things go dark, Aluminum51700:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.039



Mexico light. And it's just it's like you know, learning51800:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.519



how to you know, gas and break and this and that.51900:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.920



You know, it's just chemistry. But in the natural way,52000:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.720



I can drink my dies, you know. That's I was actual.52100:27:14.480 --> 00:27:15.880



Gonna ask you about that because I heard that.52200:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.599



Yeah, yeah, eh one laughs Mike, And I was like,52300:27:19.720 --> 00:27:21.960



I've done it on TV before. I and you know,52400:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.559



with somebody who synthetically dying or saying they have water52500:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.559



based dies, I'm like, what the hell does that mean?52600:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.960



Then drink it and they won't touch it, but you will.52700:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.480



Yeah, it's pretty cool. So you still make your own52800:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.000



dies in the house or do you partner with your52900:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.680



your other friends that you were talking about to have53000:27:39.720 --> 00:27:40.599



them do that for you?53100:27:41.599 --> 00:27:44.480



Yeah. I partnered with them because it was getting you know,53200:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.839



there's only so much I can do. And so they53300:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.720



started doing the colors for me. And now one of them,53400:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.680



one of them got married, the other one started getting53500:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.039



other farmers to grow, like Indigo and Tennessee, and she53600:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.200



wanted to crack the denim and to go dinim and53700:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.400



start providing for Levi's and so that's what she's doing now.53800:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.640



And I'm doing I'm not doing production anymore like I53900:28:05.720 --> 00:28:07.759



used to. I used to be in seventy five stores.54000:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.799



I have a wearabook collection, and then I decided that's54100:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.839



not my journey. I'm going to pull that back and54200:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.599



really just be do more cature and show fashion weeks54300:28:16.640 --> 00:28:20.920



and show red carpet and get those highlights to teach people, hey, look,54400:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.799



it can compete and look just as good as these synthetics.54500:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.519



And it's died with this plant and it's made of54600:28:27.559 --> 00:28:29.839



this and so that was kind of my new journey,54700:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.440



and that's what I've been focused on. But I do54800:28:32.640 --> 00:28:36.720



with our boxers. Obviously we do that, but yeah, right now,54900:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.279



you know, there's the way it's going is you can55000:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.599



create a powder form of that plant diet. It can55100:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.079



be used in the commercial machines. So that's kind of55200:28:44.119 --> 00:28:46.279



the next phase. Yeah, yeah, very cool.55300:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.720



And your fashion in and of itself, we haven't talked55400:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.960



about that. I've noticed this more like probably what mid55500:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.359



seventeen hundreds to mid eighteen hundreds. Is that primarily what55600:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.359



you've done in the past, or are you want to55700:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.680



change that it?55800:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.359



Honestly? Every Yeah, I mean I have different like any designer,55900:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.440



I have different downloads and so like my new collection,56000:29:09.519 --> 00:29:10.920



I don't really want to share what it's about, but56100:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.039



it's going to be completely different that kind of time period,56200:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.319



and you know, I've done it all, but I do56300:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.599



like historical connections and I like intermixing that too, you know,56400:29:21.799 --> 00:29:22.599



but so.56500:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.000



Kind of like an homage to that with a little56600:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.039



bit of modern twist.56700:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.960



Yeah. Yeah. I did a few pieces on this TV56800:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.880



series called Rain, which was Mary, Queen of Scott's and56900:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.279



so you look like it's kind of the dress is57000:29:36.319 --> 00:29:39.079



more modern for her for that time period, but I57100:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.400



took liberty, but it like it looks amazing, you know,57200:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.880



but that that dies and the fabric are right on57300:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.559



par for that time period, but the cut is a57400:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.079



little bit sexier, right, And so I like doing that57500:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.839



kind of take on things. Yeah, very cool.57600:29:55.079 --> 00:29:56.640



And that one thing I was going to say is57700:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.680



when I was watched from the documentary that I looked57800:29:59.759 --> 00:30:04.000



other things up about you and your shows. What I noticed,57900:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.759



and it actually caught my eye, was your dresses, everything58000:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.079



you make, the fabric, how it just flows. Is that58100:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.319



all hemp or as.58200:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.400



The majority is. Yeah, I have a mix of a58300:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.680



hemp and a silk that I just you know, I58400:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.519



created years ago and I love it and it's about58500:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.440



a four zero point two ounce and it just has58600:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.240



a great just hang and flow to it and I58700:30:25.359 --> 00:30:26.240



love working with that.58800:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.200



Yeah, just it just seems to move with the body58900:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.240



and then just the way it catches any breeze er,59000:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.799



it just looks so natural. I really caught my eye59100:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.400



because I was watch It's like, wow that I don't59200:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.799



know what you're using, but the way you did it59300:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.599



it was it was really I'll just say the word,59400:30:38.599 --> 00:30:40.319



it was beautiful. It was awesome. I love the way59500:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.599



that I flowed so it was really cool. And your59600:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.480



idea of how you fit women actually accentuists the body.59700:30:46.599 --> 00:30:48.200



I think correctly, you know.59800:30:48.440 --> 00:30:49.680



So yeah, thank you.59900:30:49.799 --> 00:30:51.599



SHOT's off to you. By the way, I caught my attention.60000:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.240



I thought that was really really cool stuff you're doing.60100:30:54.079 --> 00:30:55.119



What is the thank you? Do?60200:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.480



You still get nervous about that stuff though, Like what's60300:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.359



the process when you're leading up to doing a show?60400:30:59.480 --> 00:31:00.920



I mean, is it all stressed?60500:31:01.279 --> 00:31:01.440



You know?60600:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.119



What is it is? Nerves? Like what goes on?60700:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.400



That's that's a great question. I you know, I'm pretty60800:31:07.599 --> 00:31:09.640



how you see me now, I'm pretty laid back. I'm60900:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.440



you know, I'm a surfer. I meditate every day. And61000:31:12.519 --> 00:31:16.680



people are surprised backstage honestly that because most designers are yelling,61100:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.160



they're cussing, they're you know, pulling models around. I'm like,61200:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.559



I don't you know, I've been doing it for so long,61300:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.599



but I've never kind of been that way. I see61400:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.119



it as That's why I usually have a horse out front.61500:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.519



I love the grounding of it. And most of them61600:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.400



all just love working with us, even though we're not61700:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.920



like a major designer, because they heard how we kind61800:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.599



of do things and and obviously I'm the romaningness of it.61900:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.799



I love, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't.62000:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.000



My nervousness came in with this documentary, sitting in a62100:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.200



theater having people watch it me hearing them like that,62200:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.680



I'm like, oh, thank you, Like that was not you know, different, right,62300:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.720



it's different, and you know, it's a new medium for me.62400:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.559



And you always get this with any thing you start doing,62500:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.319



and everyone it's like, oh, well, you know, this is62600:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.279



Jeff's first film, and I'm like, and when I first62700:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.920



started it, everyone's like, good luck Jeff and pat me62800:32:09.960 --> 00:32:10.359



on the back.62900:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.519



I'm like, all right, cool. And then when I went out,63000:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.039



raised some money in a week, started the whole production, filmed.63100:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.160



In three months, did that editing in three months, and63200:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.880



then had it popped out to you know, film festivals.63300:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.160



Everyone's like can I be a part? Or like I'm like,63400:32:24.200 --> 00:32:25.480



where were you when I needed you?63500:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.440



Like that always happens.63600:32:27.559 --> 00:32:32.480



It always happens, so you know, But but it's it's interesting.63700:32:32.799 --> 00:32:37.119



The film work is interesting because it's not supportive. Not63800:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.359



to say fashion is either, but it's super competitive. Everyone's63900:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.720



kind of like, even if you do something for the good,64000:32:42.759 --> 00:32:44.559



I'm like I'm not a filmmaker. I'm not trying to64100:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.200



be a filmmaker. I have no ego in this. I64200:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.359



just want to bring something to the you know, awareness64300:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.279



factor and help people. And you think you would get64400:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.200



more people around you to help say, oh, I know64500:32:55.359 --> 00:32:56.680



so and so, I know it's so and so, but no,64600:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.319



everyone wanted find out how much money are paying, and64700:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.480



they wanted like it was really interesting in that sense.64800:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.839



As a creative artist, I'm like, no, wonder, you know,64900:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.720



the industry is kind of where it's at because in65000:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.799



order to do something, you know, it's just it's it's65100:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.680



very jaded and I felt that energy, which is sad65200:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.079



because I think so many more stories could be told65300:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.160



in a beautiful way, but they just either get beat65400:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.039



down or I don't know, but I'm a pretty tough65500:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.319



bird and it took a lot out of me to65600:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.559



get this film done and done in a way that65700:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.279



was you know. I didn't take any money from any sponsorships.65800:33:33.319 --> 00:33:35.160



I didn't, you know, I want to keep it pure.65900:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.119



I wanted to show case was really going on, you know,66000:33:38.799 --> 00:33:43.119



and yeah, it's interesting. So that was the hardest part.66100:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.359



I'd say fashion weeks are like I could do one66200:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.720



in my sleep because I love it so much.66300:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.079



And and I you know, I'm a confident artist.66400:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.400



I know what I'm doing.66500:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.559



Artists obviously subjective, So I.66600:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.759



Know what I'm doing. I know my vision and I66700:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.119



know how to deliver that. And if somebody likes it66800:34:00.160 --> 00:34:02.200



loves it, doesn't matter to me. I just want to66900:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.759



give an experience. And so I kind of learned this67000:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.279



art of an attachment to your art. And I think67100:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.880



when people start listening to how people respond or press,67200:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.320



how the press response, I think that gets in your67300:34:13.360 --> 00:34:14.679



head and that's when you start.67400:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.320



You got to ignore the noise, Joe. If you do, yeah,67500:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.119



I'll let it go, man.67600:34:19.440 --> 00:34:20.239



Yeah exactly.67700:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.519



So as far as as far as uh dipping your67800:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.840



toe in the water, so to speak, with the film industry,67900:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.760



like you're not trying to make a movie, You're trying68000:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.639



to educate, is what I saw, but doing it in68100:34:31.679 --> 00:34:36.079



a visually visually attractive way to where it just keeps68200:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.519



your attention, you know, the pace that you have. So68300:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.960



the documentary in my mind or when I saw it,68400:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.079



is successful in that regard, Thank you. And I liked68500:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.159



how it was objective in presenting the information and good68600:34:48.159 --> 00:34:50.320



call on not having any sponsors, because then people can't say, well,68700:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.320



you're only saying this because you got paid by this company,68800:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.960



so that was a good move. Did you feel there68900:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.880



are any Do you feel anybody was going out of69000:34:58.880 --> 00:35:00.559



their way to put rope blocks funny when you were69100:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.079



making this or was it just people's greed kind of69200:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.039



going hey, I want a piece of that where you know,69300:35:05.039 --> 00:35:06.000



what can I get out of it?69400:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.960



Yeah? I mean we had we had one of our69500:35:09.000 --> 00:35:13.920



toxicologists that was in the Victoria's Secrets lawsuitcase that I've69600:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.440



tracked down and wanted to interview her, and she got69700:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.079



paid off not to talk to us.69800:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.679



Really, m M. Can you explain the Victoria's Secret piece69900:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.159



because it kind of got brought up in your documentary,70000:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.800



but can you expand on that a little bit?70100:35:28.400 --> 00:35:28.599



Yeah?70200:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.880



Absolutely, and it's it's expanded in the book.70300:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.119



But you know, I didn't want to make the doc70400:35:33.159 --> 00:35:36.280



about pointing fingers or same bad guy, good guy, but70500:35:36.519 --> 00:35:42.079



simply six hundred women roughly did a lawsuit against Victoria's70600:35:42.079 --> 00:35:46.639



Secrets or basically issues caused by their brawls, so they70700:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.360



were breaking out and rashes and everything, and a lot70800:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.519



of women felt it was causing breast cancer. So the70900:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.239



only problem with that when you do a class action lawsuit,71000:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.599



which they didn't know, so that we interviewed the original71100:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.960



woman filed, lawyer talked to her into doing a class71200:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.320



action so other people could join, and usually that means71300:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.320



more money for the lawyer. That's why they do it.71400:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.519



But unknown to her, because she's just trying to make71500:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.639



right something wrong, is that they could throw it out71600:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.320



of court because simply they can say, well, she has71700:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.280



a different reaction than her, so it doesn't apply to71800:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.519



her right. And it's it's very easy. It's a game, right,71900:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.199



very easy game for them to win. And she didn't72000:36:26.199 --> 00:36:30.280



have the energy or the money to do another lawsuit72100:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.320



just with her against them, and so that's how it72200:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.000



got quote settled. But you don't you don't hear about72300:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.000



that online and that's we didn't know what happened at72400:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.880



the end of that until we interviewed her and she72500:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.400



shared the real story. And what's also interesting is that72600:36:46.159 --> 00:36:51.199



they did a let's call it a leak, but this72700:36:51.320 --> 00:36:56.360



one reporter before talking to the interviewee who we had72800:36:56.559 --> 00:37:02.519



on the dock, it released saying that formidea hide Paul's72900:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.119



breast cancer. For the Victoria's Secret Braw it's like an73000:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.960



article that released. So they were talking about, you know,73100:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.559



her lawsuit being about formade hide in the brawl. Well,73200:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.000



it's interesting because that's an easy kind of thing to73300:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.719



go to and everybody in the industry knows a lot73400:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.719



of these chemicals and toxins are created by synergy, So73500:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.920



you cannot put formidohide in the product. But because you73600:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.840



diet with X or you add X to it creates73700:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.239



a formado hyde. So there's a lot of play on73800:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.400



words to say, we don't add form idehide, so it73900:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.440



naturally occurs, and it does naturally occur in the environment,74000:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.519



so it naturally occurs. Therefore we're not liable. Again, it's74100:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.639



a play on words and legal stuff. So with using74200:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.559



formade hide as the culprit so to speak, they knew74300:37:49.599 --> 00:37:51.679



they could probably get back out of it, get out74400:37:51.679 --> 00:37:55.400



of it if it went there. But we did in74500:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.079



the in the documentary, we went and actually took the74600:37:59.119 --> 00:38:03.599



brawl that was causing her having the rash, and we74700:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.880



did our own, you know, testing on it, and because74800:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.519



I know chemistry, asked the lab, the independent lab, to74900:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.199



look at NONI phenol and nony pheno is a carcinogenic75000:38:14.400 --> 00:38:19.599



tomson typically added to this fabrication and die and it75100:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.159



basically it shows on the film, but it was over75200:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.159



the legal ppm amount that's legally allowed. And again the75300:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.719



legal ppm allowed allowance is way too much, like you75400:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.320



should have zero of this chemical in your bloodstream, but75500:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.079



they do that because their industry friendly. They don't want75600:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.280



the industries to shut down, so they get give them75700:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.519



an allowance. But this was like eight times allowance. So anyways,75800:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.400



it shows that that was the corporate formata. It wasn't.75900:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.880



So it's just this game of like do we really76000:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.440



know what's in our slowly right? And if we did,76100:38:57.280 --> 00:39:01.079



how do we go about protecting ourselves? Because they're not76200:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.880



going to do the studies, they're not going to list ingredients,76300:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.119



and that's kind of the issues that it is a76400:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.360



public health issue because we have no idea what's in it.76500:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.480



We don't know the synergy of the effect of all76600:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.199



these chemicals and what it's do into our body, and76700:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.719



it's and nobody cares because it would take money and76800:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.840



a whole different you know, set up to do it76900:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.800



property and so until we push this, you know, it's77000:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.559



not going to happen. And so that's the reality we're77100:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.320



up against. But these women did have these reactions. I77200:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.280



mean it was all over the internet. She posted it.77300:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.519



I mean, once a news rable came out, everyone came77400:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.719



out of the woodworks. It said, wow, I'm not the77500:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.760



only one. And that's when my mom passed. The breast77600:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.880



cancer is like, and these guys are bastards. They need77700:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.480



to be. You know, this needs change because they know77800:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.079



what's in it. Everyone who designs a product knows what's77900:39:52.119 --> 00:39:52.440



in it.78000:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.960



Well, what you said kind of begs a question because78100:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.880



I can't imagine such a big company with these chemists involved,78200:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.519



like okay, play on words. They can say, okay, these78300:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.400



two these two compounds whatever, when they come together, then78400:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.679



the byproducts from aldehyde. They know this already beforehand. They78500:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.880



have to or are they intentionally using formaldehyde in the product.78600:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.880



Regards of how you word it, they can't. They can't78700:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.440



really deny that they don't know what happens when these78800:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.159



two you know, when these two products or whatever meet.78900:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.079



Yeah, yeah, no. And the problem is, so if you79000:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.760



go back to Europe versus US, like you asked why79100:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.360



they have different regulations than US, So there's there's a79200:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.079



common you know, basically, if you can you know causality, right,79300:40:35.199 --> 00:40:39.360



So if we can say hey, from this from Autohyde79400:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.039



in this sprawl and it potentially can cause cancer, well79500:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.639



in Europe, that's enough to say, okay, what comes off79600:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.480



the market. We got to do studies on it before79700:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.480



we let it back on the market because it could79800:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.639



cause harm or cancer to people wear in it, and79900:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.039



the US you have to prove that it causes cancer80000:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.719



before they take it off the market. It So that's80100:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.719



the main issue. That's why we have less quote regulation80200:41:04.840 --> 00:41:09.039



because and anybody knows, any chemist knows, you're you could.80300:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.360



Get it maybe ninety by you know, ninety set.80400:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.159



Like, there's so many variables you're not going to be80500:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.440



able to prove to to the you know, the tent80600:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.960



that it one hundred percent causes breast cancer because everywhere80700:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.960



she may have a different perfume, different skin set, different age,80800:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.679



different diet, you know, different whatever is bioccumulation levels, right,80900:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.239



so that one ppm could put her bioculation level over81000:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.360



and then she gets breast cancer, you know. So it's81100:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.840



it's it's it's so many variables. But what I do81200:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.159



know is that there are carcogens and these brawls that81300:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.519



are made of nylon and polyester one hundred percent, so81400:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.519



they do go into the skin and the body when81500:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.920



it receives it, it's like a it's a it's a81600:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.239



it's an alien to the body. It doesn't know what81700:41:56.280 --> 00:41:59.559



it is, so it grabs it, treats it like an estrogen.81800:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.599



Grabs that stores it in the fatty tissues because it81900:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.119



doesn't want to go into the bloodstream, so it's protecting82000:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.400



the body. So then you have like a greenhouse like82100:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.840



event happening in the breast. Because they're fatty tissues. You82200:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.559



have brawls over top of them that are putting the82300:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.280



chemicals in it and not allowing permeability, so you're sweating.82400:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.440



There's no air passing. There's restrictions on the brawl straps.82500:42:25.719 --> 00:42:29.320



That's causing the vatic system that's designed to move out82600:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.599



the toxins to not work because those are like hoses82700:42:32.639 --> 00:42:34.880



that you put any pressure on it, it doesn't work82800:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.719



and there's no pump, right, there's no heart pushing it82900:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.079



through that hose. So your body the way it moves83000:42:42.079 --> 00:42:43.920



it is by kind of like that watch. You don't83100:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.480



wind up but it winds up through motion, so that's83200:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.880



why the breast need to move and shake and push83300:42:49.920 --> 00:42:51.360



it out. That's how it's designed.83400:42:51.800 --> 00:42:54.480



So you're not supposed to be compressed and restricted for83500:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.480



exactly sixteen to twenty hours exactly.83600:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.519



And so that's it. So you know, And but you83700:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.719



can't put your finger on it and say, you know,83800:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.480



but there have been studies done that show, you know,83900:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.559



they took one of the guys we interviewed. That's why84000:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.280



I interviewed him because he did a study in Fiji84100:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.840



with women who never warn brawls, and he put him84200:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.960



in braws and got what I would consider, you know,84300:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.519



the most sure type of study because they never had84400:43:21.559 --> 00:43:25.400



touched the brawl before, same diet, they you know, same84500:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.760



they'd never left this village, you know. So it's close84600:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.280



as you can get to a case study. And yeah,84700:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.119



I proved what we all thought was was, you know,84800:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.119



going to be the outcome which the more you wear84900:43:37.159 --> 00:43:41.239



the brawl or cancer. Right, So that's the issue, and85000:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.360



that's all we're trying to bring to awareness. Is that85100:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.800



something you should look at it It's like not studying85200:43:46.840 --> 00:43:51.000



the cigarette when you're talking about lung cancer and what85300:43:51.159 --> 00:43:52.880



The wild thing is when I got into this, and85400:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.280



I've been researching a long time, you couldn't find one85500:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.880



study that was paid for to study the brawl.85600:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.280



That's interesting actually, especially with the uptick and breast cancer85700:44:05.360 --> 00:44:09.159



throughout the years. Yeah, see think they bothered to look, right,85800:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.880



what's what's always on your skin? What's always on that area?85900:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.960



And that shocked me, like, wait, all these foundations that86000:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.360



raise money for breast cancer, they haven't studied the brawl,86100:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.840



Like there's something like it almost presents itself like, oh,86200:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.719



there's definitely something going on here, because if they had86300:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.039



a few studies and they came out with things that were,86400:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.239



you know, this align this did, and that would make86500:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.519



more sense to me. But the fact that it doesn't exist,86600:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.199



I'm like, huh, there's something fishy going on.86700:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.280



Yeah, well I can imagine because when you say in86800:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.199



America you have to prove it right, you have to86900:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.000



prove it through studies that yes, this actually does cost cancer,87000:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.000



versus in the UK will say hey there's something here87100:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.840



red flag where we may have to study this further.87200:44:49.639 --> 00:44:51.760



But in America you know that, I know you know this,87300:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.559



but there's huge lobbyists out there that are paying to87400:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.800



make sure that they get their way. And I know,87500:44:58.880 --> 00:45:03.400



the fashion industry has a pretty pretty big lobby lobby87600:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.840



you know, lobbyists and organizations to basically just you know,87700:45:08.079 --> 00:45:11.360



tug on, tug on the shoulder of their favorite politician87800:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.960



or whoever regulator to make sure that things go their way.87900:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.039



And I'm sure that is what really gets in the88000:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.159



way of most of these studies that are getting done.88100:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.679



It's no different than what happens in the food industry,88200:45:20.760 --> 00:45:21.719



drug industry, et cetera.88300:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.519



Yeah, it's the same thing. You know. They have an88400:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.440



intimate apparel coalition that you know, kind of keeps tabs88500:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.760



on all this and keeps it hush and whatever. Yeah,88600:45:31.840 --> 00:45:33.880



I mean that's it, and we're up again. It's a88700:45:33.880 --> 00:45:35.480



big entity a lot of you know.88800:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.239



And I kept going, you know, like why hasn't.88900:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.400



Been spoken about or talked about or addressed or you know,89000:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.280



And I couldn't figure it out until I like did89100:45:45.320 --> 00:45:48.519



a deeper dive and I realized, oh wow, it dates89200:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.880



back to three World War two where you have this89300:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.559



chemical company that came up with the first pesticide. Guess what,89400:45:55.719 --> 00:45:59.320



they're still in business. They're still making seventy five billion89500:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.039



a year. Who do you think is controlling the strings?89600:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.760



It will be them because they're the ones that would89700:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.239



lose the most because they're they're pumping their chemicals into89800:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.239



all these industries, so they're.89900:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.639



Not going to let this, you know, just saying too90000:46:12.679 --> 00:46:14.599



big to fail, right, Yeah, And.90100:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.280



It's it's interesting to find out that the number one90200:46:17.719 --> 00:46:21.440



top chemical company was the economy for Nazi Germany and90300:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.280



they're still and you know, number one, and they're still90400:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.840



pumping their chemicals out, still poisoning us, and it's just90500:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.679



crazy that nobody's taking them all. They were disbanded, you know,90600:46:33.039 --> 00:46:36.480



after they lost the war, and then they basically came90700:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.800



back together under a new name and kept going. But90800:46:40.840 --> 00:46:44.559



it's the same chemicals that were developed during that war90900:46:44.639 --> 00:46:47.559



to kill people basically, and that's what they're using. So91000:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.239



that to me is like, come on, guys, there's got91100:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.400



to be some more good hearted people in this world91200:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.320



that I know this is wrong and want to fight91300:46:54.400 --> 00:46:56.199



with me. So that's why I did the doc to91400:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.639



help kind of create a banner and an energy for91500:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.480



people to like get behind it, because enough's enough, you know,91600:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.280



you know, we shouldn't And as in the film, they say,91700:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.800



it's not a silent and death, but it's elongated death.91800:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.360



It's not like you're going to die tomorrow by wearing91900:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.519



that shirt, but it will. You know, it will have92000:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.199



an effect. It will lead to a disease or cancer92100:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.599



after ten to twelve, twenty years. You know, you just92200:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.840



don't know, but it does. Science will say it's in there,92300:47:24.920 --> 00:47:28.039



it's going in your body, it is causing sell mutation92400:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.880



and it could lead to something. So that's where I92500:47:32.880 --> 00:47:37.440



think we need to like at least bring to the table.92600:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.880



We need to know what's inside everything that we buy92700:47:39.880 --> 00:47:41.920



and put on our bodies because it does affect us.92800:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.599



And then that, to me, is enough and then people92900:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.280



can make their own decisions because some people care, some93000:47:47.280 --> 00:47:48.119



people won't care.93100:47:48.639 --> 00:47:51.840



Yeah, well, it sounds like through everything you just explain93200:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.800



without directly saying that you did have obstacles in your93300:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.440



way and making this documentary.93400:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.880



So yeah, yeah, a little bit. I'm sure I'm not done,93500:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.280



and yeah, you know we're getting pushed back all the time.93600:48:03.320 --> 00:48:06.239



But you know, I don't think they understand like I93700:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.400



have nothing to lose. Nothing again, it's it's it's, uh,93800:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.320



I'm probably their worst type because you can't pay me off,93900:48:13.400 --> 00:48:19.000



and I'm not worried about anything, so good, please do this. Yeah.94000:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.000



So I'm doing this, you know, for and and that's94100:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.760



why my friends have surrounded me because they know my94200:48:24.840 --> 00:48:28.039



heart in this. And you know, if I can save94300:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.159



you know, one mom from breast cancer, that to me94400:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.119



is worth all of this, you know, you.94500:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.000



Know, I just I just realized, Jeff, we've been talking94600:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.880



this whole time about this documentary and never even told94700:48:38.920 --> 00:48:39.840



anybody what was named.94800:48:41.119 --> 00:48:41.920



Let them be naked.94900:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.119



I just I just dove into it. I apologize.95000:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.559



So it's funny. Yeah, my producers, I guess a working title, right.95100:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.679



I'm like, nope, I thought it was a great title.95200:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.599



Thank you. I did too, you know, to me, in95300:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.760



my opinion, like it's better to be new than dress95400:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.840



and synthetics. And to me, it's a visual title. And95500:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.920



I was like, you know what, we got to strip95600:49:01.960 --> 00:49:02.519



it back down.95700:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.480



Well, who was it? Who was it in that documentary95800:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.239



that you were talking to or film where she mentioned95900:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.000



and and that kind of stuck with me, is like,96000:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.800



you know, you're wrapped in fabrics from day one you're born. Yeah,96100:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.559



and you were just talking about the accumulation right over96200:49:18.639 --> 00:49:22.840



time and unless unless they could see something drastic happen96300:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.400



like immediately, it doesn't ever attract attention. And they just96400:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.320



attributed your your ailments to other things like oh, it's96500:49:28.519 --> 00:49:30.599



you work too hard, you're wearing your joints down, you're96600:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.760



doing this, it's your they'll make an excuse for everything96700:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.039



instead of like you said, with the brawls, looking at well,96800:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.880



what's what's directly affecting that particular area all the time,96900:49:41.159 --> 00:49:41.960



every single day.97000:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.679



Yeah, and that's it. You know, as a designer, like97100:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.320



I was in advanced biology, I've dissected bodies before. Like, yeah,97200:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.400



whether or not you believe in a creator and God,97300:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.599



I do, but I like, I think it's a brilliant design.97400:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.679



So what we put in our bodies. You have an esophagus,97500:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.920



you have stomach acid, you have a liver, you have kidneys.97600:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.559



It protects you from if you put something bad in97700:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.360



your body. Now, we were designed to be nude, so97800:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.920



our skin has no protection mechanism. It's gonna you know,97900:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.119



it's designed to be poorused. Like I said, it pulls98000:50:14.159 --> 00:50:18.360



in oxygen, pulls, you know, it pulls in water. It's98100:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.760



just it gets rid of stuff. It's a beautiful design.98200:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.079



But we clog it by putting these clothes on it,98300:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.079



and that was never supposed to be the intention of it,98400:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.119



so we're messing up that design. So that's why I98500:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.280



think clothing should be the number one thing we look at,98600:50:33.639 --> 00:50:37.760



not diet, not environmental factors, because again, we have hairs98700:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.960



in our nose, we have beautiful capilaris our lungs to98800:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.159



repair themselves. Like, so we can handle some type of98900:50:44.360 --> 00:50:48.119



air pollution, we can handle food pollution. We're not can't99000:50:48.159 --> 00:50:49.599



handle this stuff.99100:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.760



Well, it's like, can California go to the gas pumps99200:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.960



a warning all the time, this can cause cancer? But99300:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.960



we still go to the gas pump every day to99400:50:55.960 --> 00:50:57.559



fill our vehicles, at least most of us do. I99500:50:57.599 --> 00:51:02.159



still do. So it's it's crazy. It's just we we99600:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.039



just shrug it off because it's like, well, this is99700:51:04.119 --> 00:51:06.000



just how we live in this part of what we do,99800:51:06.039 --> 00:51:09.000



and we just accept these things. We don't question them.99900:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.119



Yeah, it's convenience, you know, we're addictive convenience. And you100000:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.679



know what I'm presenting is is an opportunity that it100100:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.000



We can do it differently and you could go in100200:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.880



your wardrobe tonight, go through your closet, analyze what you100300:51:22.920 --> 00:51:26.039



got in there as natural fibers, that's not analyze what100400:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.159



synthetic dies, what's not, you know, get rid of that100500:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.480



other stuff, and then slowly add to your closet the100600:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.519



natural garments because they are in existence today. There are100700:51:37.639 --> 00:51:42.400



people making undied hot and hemp options. And then you100800:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.920



can learn how to dye yourself like it is doable,100900:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.559



you know, and like food and housing, clothings and needs101000:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.239



unless we walk around naked, which I would mind doing,101100:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.280



but you know other people would mind. I'd probably get arrested.101200:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.880



But that you know, yeah, I'm surprised it did not101300:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.960



the horse in London, but that's funny. But anyways, but101400:52:03.079 --> 00:52:07.920



that yeah, that's uh, that's but it what we're presenting101500:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.199



is not it is feasible. It is feasible. It's just101600:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.400



not convenient. But in my mind it'd be fun. You know,101700:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.400



I'd like to be able to teach your kids how101800:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.880



to die by your tree, at least through your tree.101900:52:18.920 --> 00:52:19.880



It's like amazing.102000:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.559



Well, I mean there's convenience and there's knowledge like you102100:52:22.639 --> 00:52:27.679



don't this never ring. I've been in businesses and running102200:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.559



businesses and sales and marketing for for many years, and102300:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.480



I always used to hear the saying, like in the boardroom,102400:52:33.480 --> 00:52:35.400



we're having these meetings, I'm pitching to the CEO, and102500:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.800



it's like, here's you. Guys always say you don't know102600:52:37.800 --> 00:52:39.039



what you don't know. And I used to hate that,102700:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.320



but after a while it started, it started clicking. It's like,102800:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.159



wait a minute, you know you really don't know what102900:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.440



you don't know. And I think a lot of times103000:52:47.639 --> 00:52:49.760



people literally don't know there's an option. They don't they103100:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.159



don't realize what's happening and that there is something better103200:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.679



for you that may not necessarily break your bank. For example,103300:52:55.719 --> 00:52:59.159



Like you said, I think society. Society is the problem.103400:52:59.199 --> 00:53:02.000



We always have to I'm horrible. I don't even treat myself.103500:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.400



I'll spend on other things. My wardrobe's horrible right now103600:53:05.400 --> 00:53:06.719



because I work my hands a lot. I'm in the103700:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.719



events industry too. I'm in an event production, so I'm103800:53:08.719 --> 00:53:12.239



always I'm always like, trust me, all my stuff will103900:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.119



get torn up, and so a lot of times I'll104000:53:16.159 --> 00:53:17.920



just buy what's functional, what works, and what will last104100:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.119



because I know my stuff literally will get ripped up104200:53:20.119 --> 00:53:21.039



and I'll have to replace it.104300:53:22.000 --> 00:53:22.400



A lot of.104400:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.079



People just buy because they think it makes them feel good,104500:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.199



look a certain way. Whatever. Now I could dress up104600:53:27.199 --> 00:53:28.760



when I have to if I'm going to an event104700:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.840



or meeting, sure, absolutely all day long. But I'm not104800:53:31.920 --> 00:53:33.800



going out and spending money every day like the average104900:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.679



person is on clothes. For example, I'll wear myself till105000:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.719



the end of time. Most people don't do that. So105100:53:38.760 --> 00:53:42.039



I think what you said is they have to be retrained,105200:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.760



and I agree with you, and I also agree that yeah, well,105300:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.119



this one natural shirt, for example, costs forty five fifty dollars,105400:53:48.199 --> 00:53:49.519



but you don't have to buy a ton of them.105500:53:49.880 --> 00:53:53.519



It's gonna last you a while, you know, just just wash,105600:53:53.960 --> 00:53:55.480



just take care of it, right, Just take care of105700:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.480



the garment. It'll last longer. Everybody just puts everything on105800:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.920



a high spin cycle. All these bleaches, and you know,105900:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.840



everything else starts destroying the fabrics and that just wears out.106000:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.440



Well, that's it. And what people again don't know is106100:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.840



that synthetic dives actually eat away at the tensile strength106200:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.079



of fabric, so they make it weaker. And you know,106300:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.960



and I challenge everyone, I'm like, okay, you know, five106400:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.960



three of my boxers or forty five fifty bucks each. Whatever. Okay, fine,106500:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.119



one hundred and fifty bucks, get rid of all your106600:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.000



other boxers. But all your other boxes, the twenty of106700:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.639



them would equal probably more than one hundred and fifty.106800:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.119



But those, they're like three boxes for the year. I'm like, yep.106900:54:33.039 --> 00:54:35.239



And then you get black and nudest stripe. That's so.107000:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.039



I only did three colorways, so you know which one107100:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.559



you worn, and you just rotate and I would challenge you,107200:54:40.599 --> 00:54:42.280



and I do this all the time. I just was107300:54:42.320 --> 00:54:46.440



on a two week trip doing you know, the documentary107400:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.360



and only brought the three, rotated them, didn't wash them once,107500:54:51.039 --> 00:54:54.400



didn't smell, didn't hold smells because of the fabrication. So107600:54:54.440 --> 00:54:55.639



you're not washing as much.107700:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.159



And yeah, if you explain that real quick, so people107800:54:58.159 --> 00:54:59.920



don't just hear this and go, oh, you guys are gross,107900:55:00.440 --> 00:55:03.119



Like why is it You wouldn't need to wash yours108000:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.480



or the fabric you're using anyway all the time.108100:55:06.360 --> 00:55:10.119



Yeah. So the obviously the hemp and are getting cotton108200:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.119



mix that I use and I use one hundred percent108300:55:12.320 --> 00:55:12.760



as well.108400:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.760



Is it's more hemp, and so it acts like the hemp.108500:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.719



So it's anti fungal, anti bacterial, naturally, and it's for108600:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.039



us and nature. So it's not gonna make your body sweat.108700:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.400



It's not gonna hold onto the smells like you know108800:55:25.480 --> 00:55:27.800



how you could stand next to a fire and cotton108900:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.239



really holds on to it, or synthetical hold on to109000:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.400



that smell. You go to the gym and you can109100:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.159



smell people because it's not allowing the sweat to pass.109200:55:35.480 --> 00:55:37.440



So that's why you have to wash the clothes like109300:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.760



every day every time you wear. If people have gotten109400:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.960



in that habit, they just throw in the laundry when109500:55:41.960 --> 00:55:43.960



they get home from working out. I work out on109600:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.760



my hemp every day. People laugh because they're like Jeff109700:55:46.760 --> 00:55:48.760



and his hemp clothing because it looks a little different.109800:55:49.639 --> 00:55:51.519



Don't need to wash it, don't smell. I'll go out109900:55:51.559 --> 00:55:56.079



to a restaurant afterwards. And it's true and that you know,110000:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.679



it's just a different way of living. And I got110100:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.960



to admit I test and wear everything that I put forward,110200:56:02.039 --> 00:56:05.000



Otherwise I wouldn't suggest it. Like I wore this literally110300:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.400



the same pair of stocks I made in Italy just110400:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.840



two weeks ago. I wore them the entire trip, even110500:56:10.840 --> 00:56:13.760



in the snow, and I was up in Scotland Highlands.110600:56:13.960 --> 00:56:15.039



They so they got wet.110700:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.679



Fine, so you just like air your garments out overnight,110800:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.280



just let them, you know, air out, and then you're good.110900:56:21.440 --> 00:56:22.559



Yeah, and it's good.111000:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.599



And I've been after developing his sock because every sock111100:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.280



is mixed with the at least ten percent nylon or111200:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.159



acrylic or something, so it's gonna hold. It's going to111300:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.239



hold some of that smell and it. You know, you111400:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.480



could wear your sock maybe once or twice and it,111500:56:35.639 --> 00:56:37.440



you know, and I'm most tired of it, so I111600:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.079



wanted to develop. That's why I did the Hip Boxers too.111700:56:40.119 --> 00:56:41.519



But and every guy.111800:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.400



Friend that kind of laughs at me and does it.111900:56:43.760 --> 00:56:48.199



After they do it, they're like, you're right, So you know,112000:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.480



it's not a fabricated thing. I'm not trying to sell something.112100:56:51.559 --> 00:56:54.559



It is true. So when you weigh it, you're actually112200:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.840



pay less for what you need versus more. And they112300:56:57.840 --> 00:56:59.920



are going to last longer because they don't. They don't.112400:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.199



The tensile strength of hemp is stronger. It's not going112500:57:02.239 --> 00:57:03.920



to get the holes in it. It's not going to rip,112600:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.159



you know. I use organic cotton waistband with natural repper.112700:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.639



It could go inside and dryer. But you know you112800:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.880



don't need to dry because synthetics take longer to dry.112900:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.920



Hemp is. You can hang it over night, six hours,113000:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.079



it's going to be dry the next day, you know.113100:57:18.519 --> 00:57:21.880



And I've tested that. You know, wolves quick at drying too,113200:57:22.719 --> 00:57:23.800



but a synthetic stuck.113300:57:24.920 --> 00:57:27.960



So well, let's just be honest. When we're just talking113400:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.800



about boxers, most working people, most men, they'll wear the113500:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.199



same damn underwhere holes in all for years anyway where113600:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.679



wread you know this? So they got to stop lying113700:57:36.679 --> 00:57:38.679



to themselves. They can afford to buy some good stuff.113800:57:39.719 --> 00:57:39.960



Yeah.113900:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.079



Can I ask you though, when it comes to these materials,114000:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.039



what about what about people who do work, like the114100:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.599



blue collar guys are going out and like the electricians plumbers.114200:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.480



How does that fabric work for people like them? For114300:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.039



someone who might choose to design or make clothing for114400:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.119



for for people who do those things for a living.114500:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.599



I mean, you know, I I don't. No, I mean,114600:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.400



I like, I build my I kind of. I'm an electrician.114700:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.199



I build my own houses, like I do all that114800:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.440



work in my boxers, I write horses in them. I114900:58:08.440 --> 00:58:12.039



mean they're great for performance, they're great for actually working.115000:58:12.320 --> 00:58:16.920



So yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know really115100:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.760



what the difference would be, but yeah, I think it's uh.115200:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.360



I guess longevity. You know, like I don't know if115300:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.039



I'm going overhead pulling wire and I'm snagging my shirt115400:58:26.039 --> 00:58:27.960



on something like, is the hemp gonna be a stronger115500:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.760



material for example, that won't rip as quickly as you know,115600:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.119



let's say a polyester shirt or something like that.115700:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.639



Yeah, absolutely, tinsil. I mean, the tintil strength of hemp115800:58:37.719 --> 00:58:41.760



is the strongest venue natural fiber, and so polyester is115900:58:41.800 --> 00:58:45.760



a mimic of him. So you know that's and you116000:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.639



look at like nylons a mimic of silk, so they're116100:58:48.679 --> 00:58:52.920



gonna have kind of similar properties. You know, polyesters is strong,116200:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.320



but you know hemp is gonna it's going to be better.116300:58:56.639 --> 00:58:57.840



So the answer is use hemp.116400:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.039



Yeah, acting fair enough exactly.116500:59:02.719 --> 00:59:04.320



It's starting to rain here. I may have to let116600:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.119



you go here in a minute, I get it.116700:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.320



Man, Well, no, if you have to run, I had116800:59:08.320 --> 00:59:09.800



more questions, but if you don't mind, we can catch116900:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.679



up another time if you have time. I know you're117000:59:11.760 --> 00:59:16.320



pretty busy individual. Before you go, though, what what's yeah?117100:59:16.400 --> 00:59:20.320



What is okay? Two more questions, I'll let you go. Sure,117200:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.440



what's left for you? Or as far as your venture117300:59:23.559 --> 00:59:25.519



into film? Now, are you hooked?117400:59:25.559 --> 00:59:25.800



Are you?117500:59:25.840 --> 00:59:27.559



Are you now going to expand on it?117600:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.559



Yeah? I I've already been asked that a couple of times,117700:59:31.639 --> 00:59:34.960



and you know, and everyone's happy how it turned out.117800:59:35.159 --> 00:59:38.559



So I think, yeah, I'm slated to do a second117900:59:38.559 --> 00:59:42.840



one and I'm going to dive into more solutions, which118000:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.400



I think is needed next. But yeah, no, I'm all118100:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.280



about it if people are willing to listen. I'm happy118200:59:48.320 --> 00:59:50.280



to be a catalyst for that. You know, I'm not118300:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.480



doing it to make a film, but I'm doing it118400:59:53.239 --> 00:59:57.079



if it serves a bigger purpose. Absolutely so yeah, so118500:59:57.119 --> 00:59:59.039



we're already talking about that, all right.118600:59:59.079 --> 01:00:01.800



I see rain drops actually fallen, so you got to go.118701:00:01.840 --> 01:00:03.840



You can't sit there in the rain. If you don't118801:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.079



mind this catchup, you can later. Like I said, thank118901:00:06.079 --> 01:00:08.159



you for your time. I want everybody to watch your documentary.119001:00:08.320 --> 01:00:11.840



Let them be naked. And we have already created links119101:00:11.840 --> 01:00:14.239



and what not to your profile on my website. So119201:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.719



once once this is released, everybody can go there find you,119301:00:17.800 --> 01:00:20.239



and there's links to where your books are on Amazon everything.119401:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.079



So where we got that taken care of. And when119501:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.199



is your documentary released? By the way, good question.119601:00:27.280 --> 01:00:30.840



We were talking about that yesterday. So my plan of119701:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.599



action is that we're going to do a Mother's Day119801:00:33.679 --> 01:00:36.639



launch where we're giving it away to moms, well anyone,119901:00:36.719 --> 01:00:38.880



but the idea is to give it away to moms120001:00:38.920 --> 01:00:41.440



for like four days and let them watch it for120101:00:41.519 --> 01:00:44.400



free before we put it up on a on a network,120201:00:44.440 --> 01:00:47.199



which will be in September. And that's just my heart120301:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.599



and everyone's like fighting me on that, like no, that's120401:00:49.599 --> 01:00:51.880



so purpose of doing it, you know, all right, So120501:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.320



that's our launch state. So it be May eighth, and120601:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.719



you'll you'll hear about it. But we're gonna do it120701:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.199



an event on May seventh, launch at May eighth, the120801:01:00.239 --> 01:01:01.880



weekend to let everyone.120901:01:01.960 --> 01:01:04.079



Have a chance to watch it and get it, you know,121001:01:04.199 --> 01:01:05.039



get because.121101:01:04.840 --> 01:01:05.480



I don't want them.121201:01:05.800 --> 01:01:07.800



Yeah, in my opinion, I don't want the information.121301:01:07.960 --> 01:01:09.559



I want to go out there as soon as possible121401:01:10.679 --> 01:01:14.480



because it every day counts in my opinion on this subject.121501:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.440



Well, I already told some people once they watch us, they're121601:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.360



gonna want to get rid of their clothes. So yeah,121701:01:19.480 --> 01:01:21.199



pretty normle, I mean, that's that's kind of how I121801:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.719



saw it. You're getting rained on, so I'll let you go, sir,121901:01:24.719 --> 01:01:28.400



all right, appreciate your time absolutely, and I will follow122001:01:28.440 --> 01:01:29.920



up with you a little bit later.122101:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.039



On sounds good.122201:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.440



Thank you, appreciate it anybody, all right, see George?122301:01:33.599 --> 01:01:37.719



Right, well, thank you for listening. And as you just heard,122401:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.400



Jeff's a great guy who really believes in what he's doing.122501:01:40.840 --> 01:01:44.800



And please go support Jeff in his efforts watch Let122601:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.960



Them Be Naked, which will be released on May eighth.122701:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.280



You could also check out what he's doing as a122801:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.920



fashion designer. Go to Prophetic dot com and that's spelled122901:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.119



with a K at the end instead of a C,123001:01:58.079 --> 01:02:01.199



and check out what Jeff is doing. And once again,123101:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.280



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