Elon Musk vs Trump, Rogan Questions Kash Patel, and The Cold World War 3

0:01 Take my beney like, can you just. Let me in my way? Welcome world to bladies, listeners. I'm back in action. I took a little bit of time off, and I very much apologize to everybody who listens to the show supports the show. Sorry. Look, I want to make it very clear everybody. I love the fact that you all listen to me and support me, but I also need you to know this isn't my full time job. My other business took my attention. It was a very busy period, and again I apologize for not getting this episode out. I know it's been a few weeks, but I will have to say in my defense, those last few weeks I was off. There really wasn't much going on. And here I am ready to go.

0:51 I am recording this Saturday, June seventh. It is four forty five pm here on the West coast of the United States of America, and I have to tell you that I'm glad I waited because this past week has man it made up for it, and there's a lot to talk about, and I will not be able to get to all of it, but I'm going to try to hit some bullet points here, all right. Also, I want everybody to know that I have been retooling and working with my brother on the other show that I co host with him, Random Thoughts with Manuel and George. Now we have taken that show and we have focused on video episodes primarily. We are on YouTube, We are on Rumble, and we are now on pod Nation. So pod Nation has their own Roku app and we're part of that community. And so if you have a Roku player, you could download the pod Nation TV app and you'll see a picture of a big alien on there. When you search for it, you'll see a pop up download that you'll be able to see those Random Thoughts with Manual and George episodes on the pod Nation TV app on Roku, and you'll also be able to see other podcasters that are a part of that community and that network.

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4:55 Now these guys are airing their grievances out in public. Elon's mad at Trump. Trump's mad at Elon. Why is Elon mad at Trump? Well, it sounds like Elon was really upset because of all the work he put into DOGE, everything he did to uncover fraud and waste, all the recommendations he made, and when it comes to this big, beautiful bill, Elon is vehemently against it because there's not enough cuts. A lot of the work that Elon did isn't even included. A lot of the DOGE cuts aren't even a part of it. And on the surface, you know, this bill looks good. You know he look no tax on tips, more tax cuts, et cetera. But even those provisions they expire in twenty twenty eight. And we all know that every sitting president who gives an executive order or you know, was able to pass things that they want to. Bill usually gets repealed when the new president comes in, especially if it's an opposing party. Now, we can hope that after the Trump administration, after this, after Trump's last presidential term here is over, we can only hope that there might be another conservative or honestly, what I would like to see is a centrist. I want someone down the middle. You know, I don't want another far left far right type of situation. I want someone down the middle. But I would hope that some of the executive orders and policies that were put into place continue, absolutely continue, because there are some good things that Trump has done. There are some questionable things. There are definitely a lot of things that Trump did that upset a

6:26 lot of people. Of course we knew that would happen. But let's get back to this disagreement between Elon and Trump, which really comes down to this big, beautiful bill. Now, again, this looks nice and tasty, It looks delicious. You want to sink your teeth into it. The damn thing is wrapped in crispy bacon. But the problem is is that damn bacon is wrapped around a big chunk of fat, a big stick of lard. And that's the issue that Elon has. There's a lot in there that actually may add to the debt. The other thing that is ridiculous is the debt ceiling is all proposed to be raised even more so instead of really addressing the budget and taking care of the spending, there's gonna be more spending, and not just spending. We're also gonna raise the debt ceiling to about five trillion, because you know, the best way to budget you're spending right, to rain you're spending in is to make it look like you're not even hitting your budget limit anyway, right, Like, hey, look, my budget's five thousand, I'm spending ten thousand. While I know how to fix that. I'm gonna make the new budget limit twenty thousand, so now I can spend my ten thousand.

7:42 You know what happens they spend the twenty. In fact, they'll go ahead and spend the fifty and they'll be like, well, you know what, I know this looks bad, but next year, next year, our spending limit is now one hundred thousand. And that's the game the government has been playing for many, many years. So Elon is upset at Trump. Elon feels used, Elon feels unappreciated, And this whole thing is being played up in real time on social media, primarily X and True social Now, let's get a little more insight into the bill. I have. I have a Congressman Chip Roy here of Texas. Here's a little bit about what he thinks of this bill. Now, the big beautiful bill, let's go through it. The bill is what I would call the good, the bad, and the ugly, because that's the truth. And I'm not going to get into personalities and squabbles and back and forth.

8:36 The President is right that we need to move a bill through here with tax cuts and spending restraint so that he can get the agenda done that he campaigned on. He's one hundred percent right, and we should do that. Elon is right that this bill doesn't cut enough. That's the truth. Two things can be true at the same time. And the barriers actually achieving the greatness of moving the big beautiful bill through that would achieve the President's agenda and achieving what Elon is rightly saying, which is that we should cut more. The barrier is right here in this chamber. It's right over there in the Senate. People unwilling to face their constituents and tell them the truth. Well, I'm going to try to sit here on the floor and tell the truth. I had to hold my nose to vote for this bill two weeks ago, off the House floor to the Senate. Why it does not cut enough and it's not even close to cutting enough. My colleagues say, oh, but Chip, it's the biggest spending decrease in history. Let's be very clear. It is a reduction in future increases of about one point six trillion dollars. Yes, that is the biggest amount ever. But guess what. We have sizeably more debt and sizeably more spending than ever, So of course it should be, but it should be more.

9:52 One point six trillion dollars in cuts or future reductions is really about one hundred and sixty billion dollars a year ten years. That's the truth. The truth is our whole budget has grown from about three point six trillion a decade ago to seven point two trillion. Now it's doubled, and everybody wants to applaud themselves for one hundred and sixty billion dollars of reductions and increases. Well, that doesn't sound like a very good budget. Doesn't sound like a very good proposal or proposals that are included in this bill. Seems like increased spending is yet again the aim of the government and the debt ceiling is to be kicked down the road and raised once again.

10:39 And you know, Triperway is not the only one. Here's Ran Paul. Here's a little clip of what he thinks. Here. The House bill is going to add about four trillion to the debt ceiling. The Senate bill adds five trillion. There's nothing fiscally conservative about expanding the debt ceiling more than we've ever done. It, right, there is nothing fiscally conservative about expanding or raising the debts something whatsoever. I mean, if we're adding about four to five trillion and we're gonna move the goalpost of the debts thing too about five in fact, may even be seven, how is that fiscally responsible for the United States of America. Now, Trump's gonna claim, Look, we're bringing in a lot of money, regardless, these tariffs are are bringing in billions, billions, maybe even trillions of dollars.

11:26 But is it enough to keep up with the spending, is it? And now you got a little bit of insight as to why Elon Musk is pissed off. So they've been arguing, and I'm gonna go through a couple this is ridiculous, but we're gonna go through a few tweets that we're going back and forth between Donald Trump and Elon Musk. I'm gonna do my best to kind of keep these in chronological order. They may not be in exact order, but they're pretty much in order. So Elon said a lot, and Donald Trump responded on truth Social with a couple of I don't know what you call him truths whatever, And here's what he had to say. Here's here's the first one. Donald says, the easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it. All right, Well, there's there's shot fired number one. And then Trump goes on in another truth or post saying Elon was wearing thin.

12:26 I asked him to leave. I took away his ev mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars and nobody else wanted that he knew for months I was going to do, and he just went crazy. Well that that may be Donald President Trump, excuse me, that may be, but Elon has said many times that he doesn't even care about the EV mandate. He doesn't even care about the EV subsidies or the the kickbacks or the cuts whatever. He didn't care about that. See, Elon's a guy that I take for wanting to innovate. Push the envelope really changed society through technology. Now, I'm not naive to the fact that he absolutely wants his pat on the back and he wants to be recognized. But Elon's in a position that he really doesn't need the money. I mean, as far as I know, he's still the richest man in the world as far as I know. And Elon Musk couldn't help himself, so he shot backers. Here's one tweet from X that Elon shot back at Trump because Trump was going off on Elon as well. So Elon responds one more post and I'm leaking his nudes. And he then later said that he will apologize profusely as soon as there is a full dump of the Epstein files.

13:46 So Elon is now trying to hold the Trump administration account of Ally was saying, look, you don't like the dose cuts, whatever, give us the Epstein files. Give us something that you promised. And so this keeps going on back and forth with Trump. But here's where things came to a head. Elon dropped this. He said, time to drop the really big bomb at Donald Trump. Well at real Donald Trump, which is his handle on X. So that real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public.

14:26 Have a nice day, Donald J. Trump. Wow. So Elon Elon calling out Trump and accusing Trump of being in the Epstein files and saying that is exactly why the files haven't been released yet. Well, be'st questionable. Look, yes, Trump's on the flight logs, but even Epstein's lawyer said that Donald Trump wasn't on the Epstein list. Yes he was on the flight logs, he flew in the plane. And there are pictures, there are legitimate pictures floating around of a young Donald Trump partying or at least with Epstein. But these pictures are all very public. They're in very public places. They might be at fundraisers other galas, and events, So they're all very public photos with a lot of other people around in public. Now, with all that being said, Trump just finally he was done. He's like, look, I ain't playing this game no more so. In an interview with NBC, Trump responded and dropped this bumpshaw and I'm going to just quote a little bit from here. The headline.

15:30 Trump says, Elon Musk will face very serious consequences if he funds Democratic candidates. Okay, pretty much right to the point straight for the juggular. Now is that legal? Can the President of the United States really tell him he can't do this? No, he shouldn't have said that. But in response, it had an impact because suddenly all those negative tweets and accusatory tweets of Donald J. Trump being on the Epstein list and all the other things that he said about Donaldalie Trump are suddenly overnight erased from Elon Musk's Twitter account. Can't find them, And the only way you can find them now is because most people who reposted or made a comment actually took a screenshot and they have the picture of the post. But all this really did happen because I was monitoring this as was happening in real time, and now here we are with Donald Trump in another interview on a plane being asked about the situation, and it seems like everything's suddenly fine, and a.

16:41 Good way to save money be to cancel some of Musk's contracts. How seriously you considering that? Oh, I'll take a look at everything. I look at everything. He's got a lot of money, he gets a lot of subsidy. So we'll take a look at that only if it's fair, Only if it's fair for him and for the country. I would certainly think about it. Yet, but it has to be fair. Why don't you consider opening reopening investigations into his companies? There are a bunch of investigations. You know that they had any, but you know they had them. I would just let them speak for themselves. I had no idea. Excuse me, I have no idea whether or not they had a good designation. What's your view on elon moscasm today?

17:21 I mean, or have you heard from him at all? Stally, I've been so busy working on China, working on Russia, working on around, working on so many that I'm not thinking about Elin. I just wish him well, you know, what happens my contracts. Do you feel like the US can survive with all of them? Obviously you can trict you a lot when it comes to the fence and space and that relationship that's been important through quite some time to join. The US can survive without almost anybody. And do you accept me? Did you have any concerns about his drug use when he was working for you? I don't want to come in to understruct us. I don't know. I don't know what his status is. An article of the New York Times. I thought it was Frankly, it sounded very unfair to me.

18:04 You said earlier today that mister Musk had a problem. What did you mean by that? Did you misjudge him? I don't want to talk about problems. I think that I think the United States had problems that if you look at the numbers today, the numbers were unbelievable, The numbers were incredible. The numbers that came up today in the stock market went way up. The country's doing really well almost I think in a very short period of time you're going to be saying doing better than it's ever done before. We have hundreds of plants coming in, plants a lot of jobs are being created. That's what happened this morning. You saw them jobs, and the nice part, they're not government jobs. They're jobs of people coming in and doing other things, including the leisure hotel and leisures. Because a lot of good things are happening with our country. We're taking in billions of dollars of tariff money. The money is pouring in and it hasn't even started yet. Really relatively, we're going to have a very successful country very soon.

19:03 And a strong Okay, so far, they're trying to get a reaction from Trump. They're trying to get him to say something very negative about Elon, and it's just not happening. So all of a sudden, Trump is being very civil. Usually he's very loud, very proud, and will publicly shame anybody to his benefit, so he doesn't look like the bad guy. But somehow he chose to be very civil here. And he look shot across the bow. He warned Elon and say, look, don't mess around, don't don't go. Don't go funding Democrats because I'll make it very bad for you. He sent the message, and now Trump is being civil, Elon is quiet. Trump's response to so far, is that of someone who's confident that there is not going to be an issue moving forward. I'm not really sure what was said between them, but apparently Trump doesn't seem to have an issue. I want to keep playing this because we have a few more minutes on this, but they're going to ask him a few more questions about the relationship between he and Elon.

20:09 Gave Elon Musk when he left the White House a key symbolically to sue the White House to the administration at large. I think that's what would you like him to give that back? I don't take things back. I gave him a key. He tried very hard with the TESTA. I haven't done. I want's work then, as at this point for them for the administration, how do you think his doge did at the end of the day with the savings. That oh, I think it helped us a lot. I think it helped I think, and it's not finished at all. We are taking we've basically taking it over and we're doing a job. Many of those people remained with us, and they're going to remain with us. They're very good. Uh, It's it's terrific. We saved you know, hundreds of binions of dollars. It's terrific and it's going further. I mean, i'd give you the answer actually at the end of two years, because a lot of it is out into the future.

20:56 But it was a big saving and a good mindset. What are you doing by the Tesla? Are you going to keep or are you gonna I haven't. Brought it there. Do you have any plans to contact I hope he does well with Tesla. Do you have any plans to speak with mister Musk? This was one of your closest advisors for a while. Have any plans somebody made a mistake. A lot of reporters have been calling me. I didn't call any reporter. A lot of reporters say asked me the same question. No, I don't I'm not even thinking about that. There apparently were these efforts. This is what I read to bring you guys, you and Elon back together. So those those efforts are where are they? No? There are referens. I mean, I've asked about it, but I'm not really interested in that. I'm really interested in the country and solving problems, including war problems in very far away lands.

21:38 A lot of people being killed. You know, when I left, we had no problem. We didn't have wars. We defeated Isis one hundred percent. Iran was broke. There was no Hamas problem, there was no Hezbela problem. Israel wouldn't have happened. In other words, Russia Ukraine wouldn't have happened. We had no inflation. And by the way, we have no inflation now. And if we had a good FET chairman, you would lower rates. And you know what, if inflation happened in a year from now or two years, let him raise rates. All right, So so far this is a very different Trump than we're normally used to. They're asking him, Hey, are you going to talk to Elon again he was one of your closest advisors, or are you going to try to get back together? What's going on? And Trump just like, hey, I don't even care, No, haven't eve thought about it. He's literally saying that this issue isn't worth this time. He's got bigger fish to fry, He's got a country to worry about. He's not going to get drawn into some social media squabble and compromise the safety, health, and growth of the United States of America. And for the most part, he's not even He's not even like puffing himself up. So this is very different. I'm not sure what happened between them with this exchange. I don't know if Trump's somehow got humbled because he was challenged by someone who was also very powerful. I mean, he's not the president. Elon Musk definitely cannot hold a candle to the government if Trump wanted to to put the screws to Elon. But at the same time, Trump can also recognize that Elon's very powerful, has a lot of connections and can definitely manipulate the media and other companies

23:11 and relationships around the world to screw Donald Trump if you wanted to. I mean, you know, Trump's not a need. I'm sure he sees that. So I think this is just the two realizing them Usually this can't go on now. The other take I have is this whole fucking thing was theater. This whole thing was a big distraction. They don't really hate each other. Why do I say that. Well, while this was going on, a lot of people forgot about the Epstein files. A lot of people forgot about what was going on with Polantier or Pallenteer. However, you pronounced that. There's different ways of saying that. Well, what's so important about Pallenteer and now what's going on with that? And the reports that were happening in relation to the Trump administration are of note and very important. And while people were digging into that, this squabble between Musk and Trump happened. Very convenient, Right, who's Palenteer? Well, here's the deal.

24:05 I got this from Granite Shares, So granite shares dot com. They'll usually give you background on companies and what they do. I'm going to read the company overview and go into their business segments. So the company overview, Whatalenteer a planeteer does. They were found in two thousand and three by Peter Teel. Now, Peter Tiele is a name to recognize and to pay attention to you because he's a big AI guy. He is huge on AI and developing AI. Now. He was one of the founders, along with Nathan Geedding's, Joe Lonsdale, Stephen Cohen, and Alex Karp. Palenteer originally focused on helping intelligence agencies. Okay, you hear that they focused on helping intelligence agencies, particularly the US government detect patterns and uncover hidden connections in large data sets. Over time, the company expanded into commercial sectors while maintaining its core strength in government work. So what's their core offerings. Well, there's there's two services roughly that are their core offerings.

25:07 There's Planeteer Palunteer UH Gotham so Polanteer Gotham. Originally developed for counter terrorism efforts, this platform is widely used by government agencies, especially in defense and intelligence. Gotham allows users to integrate, analyze, and visualize data from disparate sources. It's designed to help agencies detect patterns and derive actionable insights from massive amounts of information. This software is a critical tool for military and intelligence operations. So their other offering, which is Pallunteer Foundry. This platform targets commercial clients, so providing data integration and analytics tools for enterprise boundary. Is highly adaptable and enables organizations to create digital twins, perform complex simulations, and gain operational insights. It's used across industries like healthcare, automotive, and finance to optimize workflows and support decision making. So let's go to their business segments. Because regardless of what they are for the commercial segment. Most of the revenue, actually the biggest chunk of their revenue and their contract is with government, specifically government and defense.

26:22 So let's read what they do there. Government contracts remain Planter's largest revenue stream. The company has established long term relationships with defense and intelligence agencies in the US and allied nations. Planter's Gotham platform is the foundation for much of this work, allowing users to sift through enormous data says to uncover insights related to national security, counter terrorism, and again military operations. Planter also supports various defense applications such as mission planning, logistics optimization, and battlefield management. This solutions are integral to operations across branches of the US Department of Defense and other military alliances. So there you have it. And one of the key technologies that Polanter uses is AI. Okay, So here's what's been reported in the news in pretty much you know, everybody doesn't matter if it's NBCCBSCN N whatever, and I don't even care if they're left. Look, it's everywhere. These are the accusations of the relationship and what's going on now. There hasn't be any hard data or proof, but it is floating, is floating around out there. Somehow this information got out.

27:32 So here's a quote from an MSNBC article. The push has put a key Polanta Air product called Foundry into at least four federal agencies, including DHS and the Health and Human Services Department widely Adopting Foundry, which organizes and analyzes data, paves the way for mister Trump to easily merge information from different agencies. The government officials said, creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream. The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims, and any disability status.

28:13 Mister Trump could potentially use such information to advance his political agenda by policing immigrants and punishing critics. Democratic lawmakers and critics have said, okay, so there you have it. Of course, the Democratic lawmakers and critics are going to obviously be against Trump in any capacity, but we still have to think about the ramifications of this type of deal or use of this technology. This can be used for a digital ID system, for example, collecting data. This could lead us down the road to how China handles our citizens. It could lead to data that could be used for a social credits cored. Now, we don't ever want to think that the United States of America will take away freedoms, and we may go down that road.

28:56 But let's not forget what happened during COVID. The censors, the deplatforming, people losing jobs, all those things happen. All the things we said that wouldn't happen did happen. So this does raise concern. And another concern that we need to be aware of is that in this big beautiful bill. Getting back to that, by the way this all ties in, there is a provision in which state and local governments cannot regulate AI for I believe it was a period of ten years. Very interesting. So you have one of the biggest proponents of AI being one of the founders of Plantier, which their technology is all mostly based on the abilities of integrating the advanced capabilities in algorithms that AI can offer. And now this doesn't look so, I don't know, coincidental. Now it looks like it's something out of a conspiracy novel. Plausible, Right, And then we could also talk about that with the squabble that was happening between Elon Musk and Trump, we also kind of forgot about what was going on with the Epstein list, Right, So we're getting close. Pam Bondi was saying, Hey, we got thousands of hours of tape and evidence that we're going through and that we're going to release. And then you have Bongino, Dan Bongino, who was a prominent podcaster and a huge proponent of moving the Republican Party forward and may have actually contributed to helping Donald J. Trump

30:28 get elected. Now, with that being said, he's now the deputy director of the FBI, and suddenly, after constantly saying that Epstein didn't kill himself, that there's more behind this, that this is a conspiracy, that somebody got to him, now that he's in the FBI, all that is just thrown out the window. No, nothing happened, he killed himself, There's no conspiracy, No one got to Epstein. Very very strange. Makes you wonder if Dan himself wasn't a media plant to take advantage of new media, and he himself spread dare I say it conservative or Republican propaganda. Now we know that he's been, you know, a podcaster or a radio show host for many many years. And his sudden rise, though, is what was kind of strange. Now he's gonna say, well, it's because Rush Limbaugh gave me a shout out and recommended my show, and since then it blew up. All right, fair enough, Dan, but you gotta also admit that your rise was kind of like a switch that was flipped and then overnight you were a success. And then you suddenly didn't care about the money or the show. You wanted to be back in the government, serving in law enforcement in the FBI. Sorry, Dan, but it is a head scratcher. And then you have cash Betel. Same thing, same thing, all the times he said, now there's something

31:58 going on here. This doesn't smell right. We need to get to the bottom of it. And now that he is the director of the FBI, suddenly tapes don't exist. Nothing's going on. Hey, I don't know what to tell you. We're gonna give you everything we have, but there's nothing there. Okay, So was the elon Donald J. Trump squabble or fight a distraction kind of seems that way, kind of seems that way, But you know what, We're gonna move past that. Now. Let's focus on what's going on with the Epstein List, the list that was promised on day one of Donald J. Trump's presidency, which one hundred days in or so. We've got fuck all. We got nothing, nothing aside from people side stepping, bird walking their answers, not really given direct answers, trying to change the subject. But I'm gonna play something here now. I don't really do this often, Like I'm gonna play something from Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan's newest episode of Latest as of you know this episode, I'm recording a way he had Cash. I got to give Joe credit.

33:02 I don't listen to Joe Rogan every day, I really don't. I know there's some hardcore fans out there, but when Joe has a certain guest, I'm gonna listen. And I got to give credit to Joe because he actually pressed Cash Battel. He pressed him on this Epstein List situation, and Cash did a good job of not really giving a direct answer, and at some point he even changed the subject on Joe, and Joe realized what was going on now. I didn't hear the entire episode. I got now seventy five percent in. But what got my attention was Cash's response at about forty one minutes in or so, when Joe started pressing him about the Epstein list. What's interesting is Cash really seems to be I'd hate to say it lying. He's either lying or he really is this clueless. And I can't say that Cash is clueless.

34:00 He's a pretty smart guy. I want to play some of this now. I'm going to play it. I may interject here and there, but you got to hear this interaction. Here we go. I've said it, Dan Bongino said it. We've reviewed all the information, and the American Republic is going to get as much as we can release. He killed himself. Do you think, let's play out the logical conclusion of this. Do you think that myself, Bongino and others would participate in hiding information about Epstein's grow test activities, or do you think we would also participate in not prosecuting people we had evidence to prosecute people on the problem is there's been like fifteen years of people coming in and creating fictions about this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of Anifsteen Island of X, Y and Z committing these frauds?

34:51 Why haven't you given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't give. That to you? All right, that's very interesting in the statement he's trying to make appeal here that look, a guy like me, in my position, what I do? I stand for justice, truth, light, the American way. I would never hold this information back. Of course, I didn't want to prosecute someone who did these heinous acts. But in the same statement, he said that there were fifteen years of people spreading lies about this which weren't lies, were they? I mean, let me put this into perspective. Cash Epstein has been on the radar for years. They obviously were looking into Epstein, especially if they have fifteen years of evidence and investigative reports on Epstein. So your statement doesn't make any sense in that if there was the information, don't you think I would give it to you? Not really, Cash, not really believe in you here, Because if there's fifteen years of data, investigative reports, and evidence and there was nothing there, there was nothing there, then nobody would be talking about Epstein for those entire fifteen years, and even after he has died, something doesn't smell right here, Cash or I would continue to play this because this is where Joe leans into Cash.

36:20 If it existed. I'm working my ass off, along with the leadership at the Bureau and DJ to get you what we're allowed to give you. And you're going to get the video of the cell and you're going to see for yourself, and we will never be able to convince everyone. Okay, let's get into that. So what did you think before you got an office? Did you think that Epstein was smart? No, no suspicion at all of that. But I have a different background, right right, So I was a public defender back in the day. I used to spend a lot of time in jails and a lot of time in segregated housing units shoes as we call them. Right, all right, I'm gonna stop it. In the video, Cash says know and looks away. Kyle looks down, looks away.

37:02 He's full of shit. He himself had suspected that there was foul play here, but suddenly he doesn't believe there is. Suddenly, same thing with Dan Boon Gino. Suddenly no issue is nothing going on, right. And so, and I've known people that have committed suicide in these cells, and I know how you get in, how you get out, who works the system, and so the way, based on public information at the time that he ended up put the pictures in him hanging himself, I was like, man, that guy killed himself. There's just no way that you could have run an up and had people go into that cell and not have any video of it and not have any people come out and say, hey, yeah, I saw that guy. He shouldn't have been there, the guard or this guy. There's just no access points into places like this in the detention center he was in, which I've been in.

37:57 So correct me if I'm wrong. But what I told, what I'd read was that the guards were not paying attention or were sleeping. Well, right, yeah, and in short order you'll see it is that? Is that correct? Well, it's hard to surmise that from a video, right. Like, oh, okay, you can tell Cash is already feeling the pressure here a direct question because Joe's correct. It was reported that the guards were asleep, not paying attention, and later on you're going to hear where Joe brings up the fact that while was also reported that the cameras were somehow not working. So the argument that Cash gives about there's no way they can have this can happen. There's no entry points it would have been caught on video.

38:38 But I do remember Joe remembers, most of America remembers that we're told the cameras weren't functioning or operating at the time, So how would you get it on video anyway? And the messaging that he is saying that look, there's no ways would have happened in a prison like this, all right, So murders that are influenced by bribes being offered to prison guards who are corrupt and want to make extra cash because they put up with a lot of bullshit already. Maybe they're not corrupt. Hey, look you wave ten twenty grand in front of someone's face to look away, they may consider it. We're human, right, prison guards are human. They're working their ass off not making enough.

39:21 I can see that happening. So Cash is really doing a good job thus far. But you could also hear and if you watch the video, if you look at Joe Rogan's episode with Cash Betel, his latest anyway, you could see Cash is a bit uncomfortable, and I gotta say that Cash is a pretty good actor so far, or I would have continue this a little more. Right where they like, you know, and look, do guards does off on the night shift? Yeah, but no one can get in to the cell. And if they had gotten in to the cell, you would see it. But we were told that the cameras were down. Well I don't know who said that, but that was that was in the news. We're giving you all the footage we have.

40:05 Funny right, that nervous laugh. I don't know who said that. You know, he tends to do that a lot. That's Cash is tell I've watched other interviews where he was where he was asked about the Epstein list and the Epstein files and the suicide itself, and where he also shrugged it off with a laugh. That's one of his tells. So just so everybody knows, pay attention to his responses. And every time he throws that little laugh and he kind of shirks because he knows he's full of shit and he's been backed into a corner. So why wasn't that released like immediately? Why Why did this speculation escalate? I think you'd have to ask whoever. The Attorney general back then was Bill Barr.

40:46 Did you ever see do you remember that HBO autopsy show? Doctor Michael Baden. He's a famous forensic I don't think as a scientist, and so he's a pathologist and he reviewed the case and it was his determination that it was a homicide because of the way his neck was broken. And what he said was it was indicative of a ligature strangulation, and it was because of the positioning on the neck where the marks were that it wasn't indicative of someone hanging by their weight, which had been higher on the chin. And there's this specific break of the bones and the vertebrae that's consistent with someone who has just strangled to death. I haven't seen it. I'll definitely take a look at it, because that's part of my job. You haven't seen that the report? No, I haven't looked at that.

41:33 Did you see any. Was there any other autopsy done other than the official one? Not to my knives, But if there was, you'll get it. And that's what we're doing. See if you find that doctor Michael Badden thing. Do you remember that show? The HBO show? No, pretty cool show. So this guy, doctor Michael Baden, he had a long career of catching murderers, you know, exhooming bodies, finding trace amounts of poisons, different kinds of things. It was a crazy show, like all these wild ways. I love watching shows, and I spent a lot of time on plans. Yeah, it was an old show. It was a show like from the early two thousands, I believe. But this guy was like, you know, it's very well respected forensic scientists who would analyze these bodies, and it was his determination that he was murdered.

42:19 Yeah, And my job, going back to the core of what I've been doing since I stood rushing it was to get it is to get everybody the information. When did you get here? Epstein's autopsy points to homicide pathologists hired by brother claims. New York City Medical Examiner strongly disputed the claim that the evidence from the autopsy suggests his triangulation. So let's go to by the way, this is the New York Times and they never lie the private pathologist, doctor Michael Baden, said the morning TV show Fox and Friends. Mister Epstein experienced a number of injuries, among them a broken bone in his neck, that are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation. I think the evidence points to homicide rather than suicides, sid doctor Baden, who observed the autopsy done by city officials. Doctor Baden, a former New York City medical examination and a Fox News contributor, said I have not seen in fifty years where that occurred in suicidal hanging.

43:16 Case. Findings by doctor Baden were strongly disputed by the city's chief medical examiner, doctor Barbara Sampson, who previously ruled at mister Epstein's death in August tenth in the Metropolitan Correctional Center was a suicide. I stand firmly behn our determination of the cause and manner of death in this case, doctor Sampson said in the interview on Wednesday. She added, in general, fractures of the hyoid bone and cartilage can be seen in suicides and homicides. The hyoid bone is near the Adams apple. Doctor Samson also dismissed doctor Badden's contention that the circumstances around mister Epstein's death suggested other people may have been involved. She said her office had done a complete investigation taken into consideration information gathered by law enforcement in the making the determination.

44:01 So this is a perfect example of going back to my public defender in prosecutor days. This is what we call a war of experts. Okay, all right, So now Cash is trying to flip the script here because he knows he's backed into a corner. He knows that there's more to the story. And now this is a war of experts, right, And he's going to go on and say, Hey, when I was a lawyer, I would do this when I defended people like sometimes the defense some pretty bad guys, and you know, you want to find an expert who's on your side, who's going to say what's going to work for your defense. Sure, except for the fact that this forensic scientist is forensic pathologist, went out of their way to examine this, to look at this case without getting paid, no incentive, to give his two cents on this matter, and say, look, this is not conducive. This does not like line up with a suicide. This isn't very common like that. This doesn't make any sense. Look, Cash is full of shit. Bongino is full of shit. There is something that is either scaring them or their allegiance to Trump. And I'm not even saying or accusing Trump of being involved in this whole Epstein fiasco, but someone close to Trump maybe and someone is absolutely being protected or may have nothing to

45:34 do with Trump. It could have to do with another agency, someone involved with another agency that can easily wipe out Cash's family and get to Bongino and his family. We don't know. This is hypothetical. This is hypothetical, but this also is very interesting because Cash was also recently swatted. How peculiar. And if you don't know what swatting is, this is where somebody, some of anonymous person will call in some crazy thing going on at a house, like, oh, there's a gunfight, there's something going on, and the police will respond with a swat team and this go to your house with guns out, ready to go. And someone swatted Cash. Someone got to Cash. I'm sorry, none of this smells right. None of this lines up. A lot of what Cash and bon Gina say are very contradictory to what Pam Bondi has been saying to the press.

46:31 None of this makes sense. None of it. Look America, I mean hell, the world needs accountability. When it comes to this Epstein case, we need accountability, we need closure, We need people to be prosecuted, we need them to go to jail. And I've said this before, I do not care if certain people that we don't want to be involved are involved. I say if they are, If they are involved in pedophilia, you know they're going around having sex with underage girls and boys, and they're a part of this whole Epstein party, this whole Epstein fiasco. Let them burn, Let the government burn, if the governments behind it, I don't care. It's time for us to reset and move forward and really live as a very very proper moral society. We got to stop reinforcing and coddling and patent people on the back for being minor attracted, for just brushing these things under the rug, or even being scared of being held hostage by some power. Look, I hate to say it, but yeah, we're all going to die at some point. Are you going to die on your feet defending justice, truth, the American way, and freedom or you're just going to be a coward, take the money and run. You're not doing anything for the American people. If you're going to be that guy, if you're going to be that guy. You're not doing anything for the American people. And I know it's a tough spot.

48:02 Look at they threaten your family, that's one thing. To threaten you, that's another. I get it, I get it. But someone has to step up, someone has to put their foot down and not be afraid to prosecute every single fucking person that was involved with this whole Epstein fiasco period. All right, all right, all right, get off my soapbox. Look, we had the discussion. I hope that people are brought to justice, and I wish Cash would stay vigilant and somehow pull his head out of his ass and really go after this Epstein case the way he said he was going to before he became the director of the FBI. Now, in other news geopolitics across the globe, Russia is escalating their attacks against Ukraine. Now, this just happened. So this is why I brought this up today. As of this recording, June seventh, twenty to twenty five, Russia launched one of the largest attacks yet against Ukraine. So this is what's been reported. Apparently, Russia launched one of the largest air attacks against the Ukraine.

49:20 There were four hundred seven suicide drones, thirty eight cruise missiles and six ballistic missiles that hit the Ukrainian cities. So far, it's been reported that three people died of seen other reports that seven to ten people died, there were you know, twenty to thirty injuries. Here's a report from the AP that came out just you know, a few hours ago. Russian attacks on eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv killed four, wound more than two dozen Kiev, Ukraine. Russian attacks targeted the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv killed at least four people and wounded more than two dozen others on Saturday. Now again, there's other reports that are coming out for saying that there was more than four people killed. But I'm just gonna read what I got here from the AP. The first wave of the Ukrainian second largest city was a large Russian drone and missile attack in the early hours. It killed at least three people and wounded twenty one others, according to local officials.

50:22 In the afternoon, Russia dropped aerial bombs on the city center to the at least one person, wounding five more Karkibbs. I'm sorry, I'm probably mispronounced that, but karkibvs mayor said. The warring sides also accused each other of trying to sabotage a planned prisoner exchange nearly a week after Kiev embarrassed to Kremlin with a surprising drone attack on military airfields deep inside Russia. Now again this is a piece that we have to pay attention to because Ukraine retaliated against Russia. They launched a deep attack days ago. By the way, against Russia got one of their power grids or one of their major towers that helped supply power.

51:06 They bombed and took out a supply train. So the Ukrainians launched an attack. Now people are saying, why would the Ukrainians do this? What are they thinking they did? They they wouldn't do this if they had didn't have the backing or approval from the US or someone else. There's also others that said, you know, there's no way that the Ukraine would do this and jeopardize the relationship with the US. One of those people was PbD. I believe uh, you know, Patrick Pick, David, Sorry man, you got some bad takes. Listen, Ukraine's gonna do what they want to do. They're protecting their country and their sovereignty. Yes, there was a minerals deal in place. Yes the US is involved financially, and yes that they are now going to be or they I don't know what I'm saying.

51:50 They we because I am in the USA, We're going to be tied to the hip with Ukraine. But nothing has happened yet in terms of putting people there to start mining and processing those minerals. Okay, now we have to do something. This whole thing is getting out of hand. Russia is now taking the gloves off. They have never launched an attack this big. This is them flex and saying, look, you want to fuck around, you're gonna find out. Russia can wipe Ukraine off the face of the earth. Literally, they can do this. We all know it. I am labeling this Russia Ukraine situation as kind of I may be off on this, you may not agree, but it feels like the Cold World War three. Why do I say that? Because every nation has an interest of either self protection or an interest in what's going on due to their relationships with Ukraine and the surrounding territories and countries around the Ukraine and Russia. You see, we can't dismiss the fact also that while we don't want to believe this is not a cold World War three, which may very well become a very hot World War three.

52:58 That well, our allies are Ukrainian allies and big air quotes. By the way, the UK has done nothing yet. France has done nothing yet. Poland has done nothing yet. Poland's at there ready though you can't fuck around Poland. I mean, they're ready to go. But everything's been posturing. Everything's been words, everything's been donations, money, supplies, whatever, but none of them has stepped up. Now the Ukraine here Starmer claimed, we're gonna step up our readiness, our military redness, and we're ready to go. Sure, you guys keep talking, but nothing's happening. This war has been going on for quite some time. It's not gonna be long before Russia is knocking on your door just for the sake of retaliation. You guys talk big and do nothing. That being said, I'm also gonna hold President Trump accountable. I know he was not wanting to get into an actual war. Nobody wants to go to a real, hot, contested World War three. But the reality is someone's gonna have to put their foot down. Period.

53:58 In this war, China is involved, but nobody's talking about it. There has been Chinese troops caught scene killed in this war siding with Russia. There have been North Korean troops caught killed seen in this war supporting Russia. Iran has sent drones and technologies to Russia in support of this war. So we got this alliance between Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea who are all very actively engaged in this conflict. Yet those who claim that they stand up for freedom and justice and are looking out for Ukraine have done nothing nothing. Why because they don't really want to be held a task. They don't really want to kill their own citizens, their own military personnel. I mean understandable, nobody wants to go to war, but when is somebody going to actually step up, reach into their fucking trousers, pull their gigan aganic balls out and slap him on fucking Putin's face. Putin's going to keep doing this, He's not going to stop. He doesn't care about peace. He's not going to do anything to appease the Western Alliance. He gives no fucks Russia wants Ukraine. He's made it very clear.

55:19 And after that, he's gone for Poland. He's going for all the old USSR territories because that's what he said he wanted to achieve. And Putin's getting older, man, he's getting older, and this is his legacy. This is just him testing the waters. At any given moment, Russia can decimate the Ukraine. And I know, I hear all these the analysts saying while Russia doesn't have the infrastructure, they don't have the logistics, they don't have that. You know what, fuck all that. You know what, Russia has a huge artillery. They could just rain hell fire from the sky on Ukraine all day and take him out. And Ukraine has no real aerial defense outside of what ever we may donate to them, period, full stop. We got to stop fooling ourselves into thinking how strong Ukraine is. Ukraine is sneaky, Ukraine is smart. They've launched some attacks that Russia wasn't prepared for. They got caught off guard how Russia was attacked deep into their own territory. I gotta tip my hat to Ukraine for doing that. Great good for you, but you poke the bear. And now Russia said fuck it, here you go. You know what, The rest of world is doing absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing. This needs to end.

56:35 Trump needs to do something period. This is goot to stop. The United States of America, who stands up for freedom, democracy, justice, needs to step up because the rest of the world isn't gonna do dick. They're gonna do fuck all until America steps up. And that's always been the way it is. That has always been the way it is. Europe is not gonna save you. Ukraine, stop entering to them. U K't give us no fucks about you. Franz ain't gonna do shit across to busy trying to look like a man was being slapped by his wife. Nothing's gonna happen. The US needs to get involved. Trump, mister President, Let's figure this out. Let's get something done. This has to end.

57:25 Enough of that angry rant. Listen, everybody, thanks so much for listening to me. And by the way, please like, subscribe, share the show, give me a five star rating, leave a comment in a review, and always have a great day. Days content. Feel intention Devil Redemption understands Onetime. Do Do Do Do. Do Do Do Do