Why Gen Z Chooses Socialism, The Starter Home Crisis and AI Guardrails (Chad Law)

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welcome back to another world of blaze another guest another great guest i have the wonderful

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chad law let me read a little bit about chad law for everybody chad law is the author of the

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common sense trilogy host of common sense with chad law independent political commentary podcast

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now he's known for challenging narratives from both sides uh chad refuses to let party politics

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or loyalty substitute for independent thought,

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which is great, kind of like what we do.

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Chad is a gay independent.

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So I wasn't going to say conservative,

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but after talking to him a little earlier,

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it seems like he's kind of like I am

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and most people right now,

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they're kind of in the middle.

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So we're going to have an interesting conversation.

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But he does reject the idea

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that identity should dictate ideology.

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And he writes and broadcasts

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for millions of Americans

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who don't fit neatly into the political camp.

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So through his writings,

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Chad examines how Americans lost the freedom to question, the power to choose, and their seat at the table.

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At the heart of his work is Chad's belief that politics should be a tool, not an identity.

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Completely agree with that.

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And with that being said, let's bring Chad into the conversation.

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And here is Mr. Chad Law.

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How are you doing, Chad?

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I'm great.

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Thank you for having me.

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This is awesome.

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I love your show.

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I appreciate you saying that, considering the success you're having.

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So that's good.

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Nah, you're doing great.

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Chad, you've written three books.

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I think, let me see.

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Is this your recent one?

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Was it The Cost of Certainty?

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Is that your most recent?

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Yeah.

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The three of them,

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all three of them were actually launched

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on July 1st of this,

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I'm sorry, July 4th of this year, 2026.

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So they weren't purposely made as a trilogy.

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They just kind of all wrapped at the same time

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and they kind of one leads to the other.

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So we decided to bundle it up that way.

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Nice.

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So it was great for the readers.

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They can just go one to the other and kind of just keep the flow of everything.

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And, you know, towards the end, we're going to get to that.

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I'll actually put those up on screen so people can see where they can purchase them and whatnot.

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But what I want to do is before we move forward, Chad, we're going to have, I think you and

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are going to have a great conversation as you tend to comment on current events, news,

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et cetera.

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I saw your latest episode, by the way, and we're talking about economy, DSA, and socialism,

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which is pretty much what we're probably going to be talking about since it seems like that's

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the only thing on anyone's mind these days because it kind of is a problem. But maybe after watching

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your episodes, you were pitching the idea that, well, maybe we're looking at the wrong way and

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we're just not going about it the right way in terms of solutions. And so before we get there,

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though, do you want to add anything as far as your journey into becoming a political commentary

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podcaster? Because I always find these things interesting and how you get there. Because I

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know my story, but I want to hear how you got here. Yeah. I grew up in the backseat of my dad's

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car listening to Rush Limbaugh and John and Ken and Mark Levin and all those guys. And so it's

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always been sort of in the back of my head my whole life, but it's always been a side passion.

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It's never... Politics has never been my career. I actually went... I was a hairdresser. I did hair

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for a while and then I got recruited by L'Oreal. I joined their team and I did education and

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marketing and sales. I moved to P&G. And then I started my own beauty marketing agency and sold

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it about four years ago. And after that, I thought, well, politics has always been a passion of mine

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and things are really heated right now. I might as well just do a show for my friends and family.

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I bought a little mic and ended up... I think it was maybe my 10th episode I did. I did an episode

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on Julian Assange and somebody shared it with Julian's wife. And then she shared it. And then

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And I got shared several thousand times.

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And it very quickly became a new career for me.

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And so we've been learning.

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I think a lot of people go through the same thing.

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It's very difficult to talk this way to no one.

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And for a long time, you're kind of speaking into the abyss.

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So I would be really excited and do a bunch of episodes.

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And then I'd be like, well, I'm really retired.

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I don't care.

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Let's go to Europe for three months and drop it.

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And so this last nine months, this last year with the books coming has really been my decision to make this full-time, fully fund this, make this a media company and take it seriously.

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But I've been playing around with it for the last two and a half, three years.

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And it's been a lot of fun, but something I never imagined actually be a career.

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Yeah.

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And it's a hard thing to make a career, quite honestly.

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So why political commentary?

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though like what was the spark what what made you want to discuss these current events in politics

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in general so you know i love that you said the independent conservative thing i've always called

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myself the last gay conservative and when i say that i the last gay constitutional conservative

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and the catalyst for me uh was really we've always had one or two sort of gay conservatives

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dave rubin has kind of been the leader of the gay conservative movement for a long time and

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And in 2016 is where it really started happening.

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2020 was kind of the peak.

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But a gentleman by the name of Milo Yiannopoulos came on the scene.

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And very much an instigator, very much an...

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I, unfortunately, as much as I appreciate his writing and his editing at Breitbart,

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he was a brilliant writer.

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Once he started doing campus tours and stuff, I really don't like that approach.

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I'm a big believer in, yes, we have a mission, but we should always examine our method.

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And I felt like he was misrepresenting gay conservatives.

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And we had done such a...

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Gay independence and gay conservatives through Log Cabin and other organizations, we've done

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such a good job of recruiting young people, getting older conservative parents to understand

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that just because your son comes out as gay, your daughter comes out as gay, doesn't mean

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they can't live a conservative life or a life with great values.

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And all this work was kind of getting, in my opinion, again, only my perception, hijacked by all of this instigation and very sort of noisy, non-informative performance politics.

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Yeah.

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Teaching people.

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Yeah.

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And so I said, I got to start a show.

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Someone has to step up as a gay representative and say, this isn't the real deal.

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This guy's doing this for clicks to be salacious.

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and the mission has always been to try to teach young gay people that their sexuality doesn't

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have to determine their political ideology or their politics at all.

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Actually, that I really respect because I think a lot of people try to get into what we're doing

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or any kind of content creation just to be famous, and they chase the clicks, right?

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they're not thinking about the integrity

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of the message that they're trying to

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get out there into the world

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they just want to be famous

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they're just trying to be provocateurs

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and they're trying to do whatever it is

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to get eyeballs even if that's jumping up

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and down and clapping like

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a rabid raccoon or something

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it doesn't matter and it's interesting

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you brought up Milo because

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I didn't get it either

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it has nothing to do with his sexuality for me

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it was just like he was supposed to be

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like this leading conservative political influencer.

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And I see what he's doing.

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And he seems more like just an antagonist,

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just trying to stir the pot.

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But to what end?

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And now we have him converting to Islam in the UK.

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So I don't know what's going on with the guy.

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None of it makes sense.

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I love that he got deported.

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It was awesome.

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Laura Loomer tweeted ICE and he got deported in New Orleans.

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Not to make it about Milo, but again,

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he was really the person that I thought,

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if we let this go, luckily, like a lot of these salacious people, he ended up stepping on his own

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feet and getting himself kicked off of the full circuit through his own mouth. But at the time,

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when he was really gaining popularity, I was like, someone needs a counter, I need to be a

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counter-revolutionary to this movement. Because again, sure, he's getting all kinds of press,

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this gay conservative, he's married to a black guy, this and that. But no one was looking back

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and saying, okay, he did this college, but how many minds was he closing at the same time as he

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was just rawing people that already agreed with him. He wasn't pushing the needle for our movement

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at all. He wasn't making an impact. He was getting clicks. And that's why I started what I do.

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Good. We need more balanced conservatives, regardless of gay or straight. It doesn't

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matter. We just need more balanced conservatives who care about what they're actually saying.

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And the way I look at it, we need more people to call others out on their shit,

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not for the sake of just being that person, but if it's wrong, it's wrong. And we need people

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to correct those things.

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So good for you for standing up and doing that.

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Kind of my motivation for getting into this as well.

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So I think there's some parallels there,

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which is awesome.

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All right, let's get to America.

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I always say if my principle doesn't apply to my own time...

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

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I just always say if your principle doesn't work,

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if your principle only works

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when it's with people you agree with,

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then it's not a principle, it's a mood, it's a vibe.

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Yeah, it's a vibe and you're just yelling

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into an echo chamber.

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Right.

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That's it.

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All right. So let's talk about America. Let's circle back to what we kind of discussed in the beginning without getting deep, which is I'm going to start with socialism in the DSA.

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The reason is because I heard a couple of episodes, heard your latest, and I got halfway through it, but I did hear where you brought this up.

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And I recently discussed this, by the way.

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So I think you and I might have some contrasting viewpoints on this, but that's okay with me because let's have this discussion.

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I think that currently, from what I heard from you, is that the reason the youth, not just the youth, but also the same millennials, etc.,

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The reason a lot of them are adopting or looking at socialism as another option is because the systems in place just haven't been proven to be working as of late, especially since the pandemic.

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It all seemed to just collapse.

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And what they were told was something that was safe.

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And if you did what you're supposed to do, you would end up out the other side being successful.

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You got the house, the family, whatever it is, the dog, the picket fence.

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And that's not happening for people.

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that combined with student debt and many people going to college because they're told,

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hey, you get the degree, you get the job, but now everybody has a degree.

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So you're just another number at this point.

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There's no advantage.

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So with all that, I do want to discuss how you view this outside of what I just said.

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Can you expand on this?

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Can you expand on why it is that the youth are adopting this?

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Let's start there.

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Well, I think that all of us, generation from generation,

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if you go from like back to the greatest generation,

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we've had these three promises

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that have consistently been told to us,

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which is you graduate high school,

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you go to college, you get a degree,

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you save 10% of your paycheck,

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you put it down on a house as soon as you can,

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your house is your retirement.

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That's just kind of the formula that has worked.

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We've seen it, it worked for our parents, et cetera.

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And then all this other stuff started happening

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in the background that affected all of these markets

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that people don't know is happening.

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a lot of vertical integration, a lot of monopolies, a lot of what I call regulatory

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moats happening, utilizing our thirst for bureaucracy against us to keep competitors

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out from coming in to lower prices. And they've mistakenly been taught or come to understand

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that this is a result of capitalism. And so human nature, when something's not working,

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when there's a lot of pressure, you're just going to start pulling different levers, right?

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And the lever that they're pulling is this socialist lever.

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And my point is that what they're mad about isn't capitalism.

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These markets that have affected and created the conditions that are pushing the drift towards socialism is not the opposite.

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It is actually socialism.

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It's central planning with a bunch of people saying, oh, look, this is free enterprise.

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But it's not.

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And so that is the first step.

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I think understanding that many of these democratic socialists' diagnoses are correct.

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Housing has outrun wages three to one.

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People are locked out of certain markets.

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None of these major corporations or major monopolies are competing for us anymore in food and insurance and medicine and in the markets that we don't have any choice of whether we want to participate in.

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So I think the first step is understanding that what they're diagnosing is largely a reality.

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And so a lot of people going up there and saying oh these people are just buying Starbucks or they living large off DoorDash or whatever I think that the first misstep that we making on the counterbalance to democratic socialism is that these young people perception is their reality It the

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first thing they teach you in sales. The customer perception is their reality, whether it's true or

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not. So their reality is their reality. The system is rigged against them. There's all these monopolies.

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And so then we have to start peeling back the onion and saying, okay, but what's caused that

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reality. And when you really look at it, it's socialism that caused it. And adding more

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socialism is only going to make it worse. Okay. I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of that,

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to be honest. Because if we're talking about capitalism as it is, we haven't been practicing

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true capitalism. Because if we were, we would have let the auto industry fail, for one. We

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wouldn't have propped that up. We wouldn't have propped up big banks that were literally failing,

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but government also did that.

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And we wouldn't just keep printing money

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for the sake of printing it.

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So those are three things that kept happening.

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And the housing industry,

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since the collapse that was back in 2008,

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that's what triggered the trajectory we've been on

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between the relationship of high interest rates

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and high home prices,

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but that didn't come into fruition

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until very much the pandemic when that happened.

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All of a sudden you had two things

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that couldn't exist for affordability,

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high interest rates on loans,

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as well as high costs of houses,

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which is ridiculous.

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Usually one has to back off either the cost of the house goes down or the interest rates to absorb that.

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And I bring that up because a lot of people say, well, you're a boomer grandfather.

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You boomers don't understand because you bought a house for $100,000.

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It's like, yeah, but their interest rates were like 10% or whatever.

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We got spoiled with the 1% and 2% and 3%.

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That's for sure.

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Right, right.

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And then here we are now and it's like we're at six or seven.

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I don't know what it is now, six or seven.

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It's still up there.

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And then we have a median home price of $375,000, I think, something like that.

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I think it's somewhere around there.

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Which 26% of that is just bureaucratic red tape.

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That's what most people don't understand is that in 2019, if you were to build a new house

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from scratch, the average house just in the middle of America, 2019, just before you pour

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any concrete, just permits, power hookups, sewage, that was about $90,000.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Now it's $138,000.

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So it's gone up in a matter of six years, almost 30%.

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And the trend line is scarier.

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I mean, so our obsession with what this crunch that we're talking about housing in particular,

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people are feeling, to your point, high interest rates, restrictive zoning laws.

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We've completely outlawed the starter home.

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I mean, to your point, people talk about the boomer.

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These boomers didn't buy $100,000 with a wine fridge and a mudroom.

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My parents bought a house with pink walls, blue carpet, 1,400 square feet, and they fixed one

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thing every year and then used the equity to put us through college. So I really reject this whole

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concept that boomers had it easy. Now, on the flip side of that, the math is the math. The wages

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in the time that that trend line went up, just the bureaucratic red tape on a new house,

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the cost went up 30%. Wages have gone up, what, nine, maybe 10, depending on the statistic that

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you look at. So inflation and the cost of housing is running three to one to wages. So that is a

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formulaic misstep, totally. But on the flip side, we also got to get a little realistic. People say,

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well, we have a housing crisis. We have a housing shortage, a housing shortage. No,

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we don't have a housing shortage. We have a starter home shortage.

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That's the problem. We've completely banned the two-bedroom, one-bath, little crappy house on a

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small little lot that people could build and make better and better little by little.

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And then during the pandemic, the great migration into the Sun Belt from blue states like California, Illinois, all they did was build expensive over $500,000 tract homes with HOAs and pools.

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And so we have all of this empty stuff at the high end and no inventory at the bottom for people to start with.

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Right.

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Well, and that bottom is supposedly a studio apartment or a rental home if you can get into it.

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And then the rental home costs as much or more than a mortgage these days.

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and the reason the young kid can't get the home to buy it

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is because they don't have enough established credit

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and they just started their career

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and now they're trapped into being a renter the rest of their life.

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Now, that being said, some people like renting.

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They don't want the responsibility of the upkeep of the house

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and that's understandable.

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But being able to be pushed into a system

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that has been created to be disadvantageous to all of us,

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by the way, no matter where you are in your life right now,

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I mean, I'm not in a position to just go drop $700,000 to $800,000

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on a house right now or a million, whatever it is. I'm just not. I'm just ebbs and flows, right?

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In California, that's a mobile home. Yeah. Well, I live in California.

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Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. 800 grand, you're at the starter.

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Yeah, pretty much. And so it's like, you're right. There's no way to jumpstart your life

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anymore. It's either you're going to have to struggle at the low end the rest of your life

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and really fight to get out of it,

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or you're going to need a nudge from somebody,

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a leg up somehow.

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And a lot of times that is how it is,

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as in inheritance or whatever happened to be left to you.

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And you got lucky enough to get that

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and you were wise enough to invest that into a property.

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But outside of that, it's not easy

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because going back to what I said about getting a degree,

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the push has been there.

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Even when I was in school,

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the push was always like,

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you go to college, you get your degree,

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you can get a decent job.

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Great.

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But as I said earlier,

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everyone has to have a degree, even to just knock on a door to be an admin, secretary, whatever.

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You need a degree just to be seen. So now everybody has one. So there's no advantage anymore.

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So now we're back to nepotism and friendship, I guess. It's all about connections like it used

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to be, right? You got to be a real salesman and sell yourself. So kids are coming out or students

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are coming out with all this debt, like you said, and they have no way to get ahead of it because,

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Because as you said, your cost is three times most people's wages these days.

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Before it wasn't like that.

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So you can't even raise a family unless you have what?

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Two incomes?

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Three?

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Four?

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I don't know.

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Very, very, very, very strange on what we're going to do and what we're going to offer.

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And then so there was also the idea of floating around of universal income.

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Not sure how that would ever work, but that kind of like was a thing for a moment and then

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kind of fell off the table.

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Yeah.

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Oh, so.

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Democrats love to test these outrageous things and see how well they trend and then pull them back, like the Green New Deal.

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You watch the progressives do it, which at this point, things like that, universal income, the Green New Deal, it's so far-fetched.

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I just want us to stop passing laws and regulations that lock people out of certain markets, like housing, like we're seeing with housing, like we're seeing with food.

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I don't think we need some grand revolution.

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I think we just need to peel back some of the layers.

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So let's go deeper then.

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Let's talk about the housing shortage.

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Do we really have a shortage?

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No.

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You said that we have a starter home shortage.

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Now, what dictates a housing shortage?

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Is it just affordability or physical inventory?

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And if we combine that with the amount of people that has immigrated or even people who were birthed, born, it seems like the population is just outpacing the resources.

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So now we have the other discussion.

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At what point do we realize that maybe we don't have enough resources to keep up with the amount of people?

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and we have to start actually regulating that sensibly.

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Not saying kill people, by the way.

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I hope no one heard that.

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But what I am saying is it's okay to say no

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to more people coming in.

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It's okay.

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And even when we're talking on the national level,

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and I had this discussion with the guest currently,

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and we're talking about New York and Manhattan.

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And I was like, well, at some point,

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when does Manhattan, for example, or New York City,

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I mean, when do they just say,

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we can't take any more people?

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I mean, they have nowhere else to build.

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I mean, they built up, they built up,

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out they're done and so they're done at what point can a city legally say we've kind of reached our

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population cap we can no longer support any more people due to resources so the resources are a

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problem i think as well uh regulation red tape like is in california especially because you and

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i both in california it's it's like yeah that's an issue for sure right um you know even if you

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want to get a piece of land it's going to cost you 30 to 60 thousand dollars just to connect your

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utilities from the street to your slab. So there's that. But again, running up against it,

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what policies are in place you think currently that are prohibiting people from moving forward

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in America today? Well, I think that there's two big ones that we could fix tomorrow. First of all,

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the capital gains that was passed in the late 90s, 250,000, 500,000 is forcing a lot of old

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people to stay in their house or to die in their house because they're sitting on more than that

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in equity and we never pegged the capital gains to inflation. So if we could just get the capital

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gains up, double it from 500 to a million, I think a lot more people would be willing to downsize

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and not give away that money to the government. So at this point, it's cheaper for boomers to just

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stay in their big old houses than it is to try to find something else. That's the first thing that

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needs to change. And everyone's saying, oh, these boomers are just sitting there in their big houses

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and they're not downsizing. Well, if you look at my parents in California, my parents live outside

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of Pismo Beach. I grew up in Santa Barbara. Downsizing for them, I mean, they were in a

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three-bedroom, two-bedroom, three-bed, two-bath house. Downsizing for them is a mobile home.

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And most of the mobile home parks have been vertically integrated as well. The lot rent,

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you're getting nothing for it. You have no equity. So there's nowhere for a lot of these people to go

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in these markets. So that's another thing. But capital gains is the first thing. And the second

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thing is that we have got to dispel this notion that your house is your retirement. You cannot

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actively pass policies out of the same mouth that guarantee appreciation of one asset,

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and then on the other side of your mouth say you're working on affordability to lower the

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cost of housing. You can't do both. One is not true. So we've spent the last 40 years telling

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people your house is your retirement, passing every possible law. And I call it a death by

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a thousand paper cuts because everyone on their own is reasonable. And we pass all these laws,

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one at a time, and then they've compounded now and sealed people out of the market.

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And I think that we have to, as a country, realize that a house is an asset that's going to go up and

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down like everything else. It can't be a guaranteed vehicle for retirement if we don't

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want to lock out the generation coming in behind. And that's what we're seeing.

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I see that. And good point about you saying that most people were taught that the house is their

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retirement. At one point, that may have been the truth. So this also leads to a lack of education

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where the system further fails people,

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fails the youth.

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Because today,

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and I do a lot of business with schools, by the way,

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I mean out of school districts.

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I don't know of any school district,

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to my knowledge anyway,

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I might be wrong,

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where they're actually teaching a curriculum

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that involves finance and planning and retirement,

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any of that.

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That combined with,

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we're in a new age of work right now

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where it's like all pensions have been pulled.

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now you're, you're, you're reliant on a 401k possibly if, if they offer it.

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Well, I think here in California, you have to have retirement now.

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So you either the employer has to actually give you a 401k or the state will do their

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own version of one for you.

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And that, which is scary to me, California handling your retirement money.

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But anyway, so with that, it's like, now you're further reliant on the market.

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So now you really can't, you really can't guarantee yourself a retirement.

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So let's say based on the market, you get three, 400,000.

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And maybe you're lucky you get six to seven.

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Now divide that by, let's say you have another 30, 40, 50 years to live.

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And that's all you have.

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The number starts to not really look so good anymore.

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So I think we also failed the youth.

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I think we also failed my generation.

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I'm a Gen Xer to a degree on the back end.

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And then definitely when the millennials came around, they were definitely failed or the system failed them because those very important lessons were never taught anymore.

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They were just kind of stripped away as being not important.

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And they also took away trade schools and the ability for people to work with their hands and figure things out.

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Entrepreneurism was pushed.

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But now, if you're an entrepreneur like I am, for example, and you don't have a degree, you're looked down upon.

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And as someone who's not worth the cost of entry for a career in a big corporation, even though you may have 30 years of experience doing exactly what it is they're hiring for.

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So we are in a weird place right now.

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And I can see the frustration of the youth.

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Now going back to education I heard you make the argument that well maybe it not enough that we can study communism and socialism It very well documented and how it failed If we can look at Argentina Venezuela it definitely examples But even that you say may not be enough

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Maybe we're looking at that the wrong way because, I mean, there's a lot of videos.

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The youth can see it. So here's the question. What do we need to do to help educate people

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in the fact that the path that they're trying to take with adopting socialism,

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because it does look shiny.

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Everyone gets one, right?

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Everyone gets a little bit of

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little money for you,

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a little for me, everything.

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But what they don't see

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is they're further creating the gap.

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And now you're just going to have the rulers

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and you're going to have

453
00:26:37,745 --> 00:26:39,545
the people that they stand upon.

454
00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:40,386
You're going to be the workers

455
00:26:40,386 --> 00:26:41,765
and there's going to be the ruling elite

456
00:26:41,765 --> 00:26:42,226
and that's it.

457
00:26:42,245 --> 00:26:43,445
There's not going to be any middle class anymore.

458
00:26:44,005 --> 00:26:45,585
So what are we going to have to do

459
00:26:45,585 --> 00:26:47,325
to help educate those

460
00:26:47,325 --> 00:26:50,226
who feel that socialism is their only choice

461
00:26:50,226 --> 00:26:51,726
and that's why they need to run there

462
00:26:51,726 --> 00:26:52,626
and destroy capitalism?

463
00:26:54,126 --> 00:26:55,366
I think the most important thing

464
00:26:55,366 --> 00:27:02,185
that has gone missing is just simple economic cause and effect. Teaching kids that when one

465
00:27:02,185 --> 00:27:08,705
lever is pulled, what happens downstream of that? And I think it's very, very important that you

466
00:27:08,705 --> 00:27:15,445
teach that through a bottom-up system instead of a top-down system. Everyone has become obsessed

467
00:27:15,445 --> 00:27:20,406
with, I always say, the people, places, and things that have no control over the people,

468
00:27:20,525 --> 00:27:23,646
places, and things around them that are actually going to make their life better.

469
00:27:23,646 --> 00:27:28,825
They focus on Trump. They focus on Congress. They focus on the Supreme Court. When your county

470
00:27:28,825 --> 00:27:33,505
commission has way more power over whether you're going to have a good day tomorrow or not than those

471
00:27:33,505 --> 00:27:38,845
people do there. But understanding and teaching cause and effect, and I think it's something that's

472
00:27:38,845 --> 00:27:48,146
largely been lost, where all the responsibility has been given to politicians or media or news,

473
00:27:48,146 --> 00:27:57,045
journalism, etc. And people are no longer conceptualizing how one individual change

474
00:27:57,045 --> 00:28:02,906
can again domino through what we're seeing today. And I think the first thing that we have to do,

475
00:28:02,966 --> 00:28:10,005
again, is teach the cause and effect and show people that there really is no villain.

476
00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:14,005
Everyone's looking for a villain. Everyone's looking for a smoking room of people that are

477
00:28:14,005 --> 00:28:19,886
pulling the strings. This is not that. This is people making reasonable decisions and not

478
00:28:19,886 --> 00:28:25,825
understanding that these reasonable decisions in a matter of time will cost us a lot more than if

479
00:28:25,825 --> 00:28:28,765
we didn't do it. That's what I write about in The Cost of Certainty. And we're talking about

480
00:28:28,765 --> 00:28:32,966
education. One of the chapters in The Cost of Certainty is called, We Were Certain We Knew

481
00:28:32,966 --> 00:28:38,105
What Success Looks Like. And it's all about this concept of you go to high school, you go to college,

482
00:28:38,105 --> 00:28:43,325
and now all these blue collar careers are empty. They're struggling. They need people.

483
00:28:43,325 --> 00:28:44,525
and all these people that even have,

484
00:28:44,705 --> 00:28:46,285
we're told computer science degrees

485
00:28:46,285 --> 00:28:47,406
were the best degrees.

486
00:28:47,605 --> 00:28:49,666
That's completely flipped on its head now.

487
00:28:50,085 --> 00:28:52,245
Fine arts majors are more likely to get jobs

488
00:28:52,245 --> 00:28:54,285
than computer science majors are now.

489
00:28:54,765 --> 00:28:57,926
So again, every time we're certain about something,

490
00:28:58,406 --> 00:29:00,146
it always ends up costing us

491
00:29:00,146 --> 00:29:01,126
because the amount of certainty

492
00:29:01,126 --> 00:29:02,226
that they have at that point

493
00:29:02,226 --> 00:29:03,945
might not translate in 40 years.

494
00:29:04,045 --> 00:29:05,866
And that's the weird system.

495
00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:07,585
What we're living in right now

496
00:29:07,585 --> 00:29:11,126
is the result of all of this certainty about things

497
00:29:11,126 --> 00:29:14,765
and no one being assigned to go back and check if it's still working.

498
00:29:15,906 --> 00:29:19,426
But teaching kids that these actions, when you pull one lever,

499
00:29:19,666 --> 00:29:24,646
there's no such thing as one lever in any democratic or capitalist

500
00:29:24,646 --> 00:29:27,226
or even socialist nation or civilization.

501
00:29:27,545 --> 00:29:29,825
There's always an effect to the cause.

502
00:29:30,466 --> 00:29:32,545
And teaching them how to think a little bit better that way,

503
00:29:32,565 --> 00:29:33,825
I think would make all the difference.

504
00:29:33,926 --> 00:29:37,045
I know it sounds simple, but to me, that's just the missing piece.

505
00:29:37,805 --> 00:29:42,205
No, what you're highlighting is the failure to adapt with change is what it is.

506
00:29:42,486 --> 00:29:42,705
Yes.

507
00:29:42,805 --> 00:29:44,986
They taught the system, but they didn't check in on the system.

508
00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:47,085
They just kept letting it run rampant.

509
00:29:47,945 --> 00:29:48,205
Exactly.

510
00:29:49,065 --> 00:29:50,745
They put value in the wrong things.

511
00:29:50,745 --> 00:29:52,305
At the time, it seemed correct, right?

512
00:29:52,366 --> 00:29:54,005
You were talking about computer science, for example.

513
00:29:54,805 --> 00:29:57,065
Everyone thought that was the only thing that was going to matter.

514
00:29:57,646 --> 00:30:00,726
And then when we're talking about blue-collar jobs, you're right.

515
00:30:00,866 --> 00:30:04,146
They're having a harder time finding people, not just people, but reliable people who care.

516
00:30:04,626 --> 00:30:06,065
Reliable people who care.

517
00:30:06,265 --> 00:30:06,926
Sorry, love that.

518
00:30:07,045 --> 00:30:08,845
who care about actually doing the job.

519
00:30:09,646 --> 00:30:13,646
But then society didn't put value on those particular trades either.

520
00:30:14,505 --> 00:30:17,646
I mean, who wants to bust their ass for 40K a year?

521
00:30:18,646 --> 00:30:18,825
Nobody.

522
00:30:19,745 --> 00:30:21,426
You can make money, don't get me wrong,

523
00:30:21,525 --> 00:30:23,406
but it takes a long time, a lot of hard work.

524
00:30:23,505 --> 00:30:25,886
By the time you're there, your body's already broken up

525
00:30:25,886 --> 00:30:27,146
and you don't want to deal with it anymore.

526
00:30:28,105 --> 00:30:31,345
And I think a big part of this, in my opinion,

527
00:30:31,345 --> 00:30:34,705
is that we've dealt with for a long time.

528
00:30:34,886 --> 00:30:36,366
Now, I'm not talking about Biden time.

529
00:30:36,366 --> 00:30:46,866
I'm talking about 80s, even post-Reagan, with illegal immigration that's watered down the blue-collar wage market so much that I always tell people, it's not...

530
00:30:46,866 --> 00:30:51,245
I really dispel this concept where people say, well, no American wants to clean a toilet.

531
00:30:51,406 --> 00:30:53,245
No American wants to pick strawberries.

532
00:30:53,866 --> 00:30:55,205
They're not for $5 an hour.

533
00:30:55,345 --> 00:30:59,406
They don't, but they will for $20 an hour and benefits and what they need.

534
00:30:59,406 --> 00:31:07,646
So again, we've dealt with this really topsy-turvy labor market that's been infected and the blue-collar side.

535
00:31:07,845 --> 00:31:11,666
So not only did we devalue them as a society, but we devalued them by saying,

536
00:31:12,065 --> 00:31:17,866
oh, there's people in third world countries that will handle this work that you shouldn't have to or that you're too good for.

537
00:31:18,386 --> 00:31:20,325
That's really injured that as well.

538
00:31:20,406 --> 00:31:23,045
And then you have people that will take those jobs for way less.

539
00:31:23,045 --> 00:31:28,805
and then it disproportionately, because your income is only a sum of people who are making

540
00:31:28,805 --> 00:31:32,065
the least and the people who are making the most. You're always somewhere in the average.

541
00:31:32,525 --> 00:31:39,765
And that bottom weighs down disproportionately blue collar wages and has for many, many years,

542
00:31:39,765 --> 00:31:44,045
which is why I always talk about immigration. I say, oh, all these deportations, all the borders,

543
00:31:44,146 --> 00:31:48,505
this is all great. But until you start going after the employers that run these backdoor

544
00:31:48,505 --> 00:31:55,486
exploitation programs, nothing's going to change. I watched it in California my whole life. They

545
00:31:55,486 --> 00:32:00,345
would deport a bunch of people and then more people would just come because construction,

546
00:32:00,726 --> 00:32:07,065
food, they have basically what I call a backdoor turnstile of exploitive labor that they bring up

547
00:32:07,065 --> 00:32:12,486
from Mexico and other countries that keeps the wages in those markets down, which has

548
00:32:12,486 --> 00:32:17,345
disproportionately caused people to not go into those markets. And now we're desperate for

549
00:32:17,345 --> 00:32:18,205
electricians.

550
00:32:19,525 --> 00:32:21,525
You know, it's ironic

551
00:32:21,525 --> 00:32:23,285
and everything you said is

552
00:32:23,285 --> 00:32:25,525
the same people who

553
00:32:25,525 --> 00:32:27,605
cry and scream and

554
00:32:27,605 --> 00:32:29,486
protest for the immigrant

555
00:32:29,486 --> 00:32:31,605
worker are

556
00:32:31,605 --> 00:32:33,626
the same people who will not do the

557
00:32:33,626 --> 00:32:35,646
same thing and proudly buy

558
00:32:35,646 --> 00:32:37,486
their clothes that are made overseas in

559
00:32:37,486 --> 00:32:39,325
countries where a worker makes less than $10

560
00:32:39,325 --> 00:32:39,866
a day.

561
00:32:41,226 --> 00:32:43,545
Isn't it sick? It's crazy.

562
00:32:44,085 --> 00:32:45,525
Now, what you're saying is

563
00:32:45,525 --> 00:32:49,946
also very, very true because there's no industry more prevalent, well, outside the clothing

564
00:32:49,946 --> 00:32:56,585
industry, but more prevalent where migrant workers, and I don't have a problem with migrant

565
00:32:56,585 --> 00:32:56,906
workers.

566
00:32:57,065 --> 00:33:00,386
We have programs with regulations, but what you said is very true.

567
00:33:00,986 --> 00:33:07,845
Agricultural industry is very famous for somehow circumventing these programs and knowingly

568
00:33:07,845 --> 00:33:12,805
paying people under the table, lower wages, not housing them, not doing everything they're

569
00:33:12,805 --> 00:33:16,406
supposed to do to adhere to that program so they can save money.

570
00:33:17,525 --> 00:33:22,166
Microsoft recently this year laid off 4,000 people saying they needed to

571
00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:26,705
downsize and they were cutting certain things such as some of the developers

572
00:33:26,705 --> 00:33:28,146
in Xbox and gaming, et cetera.

573
00:33:29,305 --> 00:33:32,646
Now, while they did that, they went ahead and hired similar positions for

574
00:33:32,646 --> 00:33:34,666
their giant data center in Texas.

575
00:33:35,085 --> 00:33:39,126
But those same workers that they were hiring for those very similar

576
00:33:39,126 --> 00:33:42,505
positions happen to now just be H1B visa candidates.

577
00:33:42,805 --> 00:33:48,765
tell me that's not very shady in and of itself, right?

578
00:33:49,785 --> 00:33:54,585
Yeah, I really don't like the way that H1Bs have been hijacked

579
00:33:54,585 --> 00:33:57,065
because they really did offer, I have to say,

580
00:33:57,126 --> 00:33:58,686
from my business background,

581
00:33:59,366 --> 00:34:03,045
when Google and Microsoft in the beginning of the tech,

582
00:34:03,126 --> 00:34:06,005
I started in marketing the year Facebook came out in 2005.

583
00:34:06,005 --> 00:34:08,425
So I can tell you, during that time,

584
00:34:08,646 --> 00:34:11,186
all the best engineers were all getting gobbled up

585
00:34:11,186 --> 00:34:14,265
by these big companies, social media tech companies.

586
00:34:14,686 --> 00:34:19,285
We had to, in order to make websites and pages and stuff to keep up on the e-commerce,

587
00:34:19,666 --> 00:34:23,446
use the H-1B program to bring in developers from India and other countries,

588
00:34:23,565 --> 00:34:25,626
Eastern Europe, when I was at P&G.

589
00:34:25,626 --> 00:34:30,985
But it was really a program we only reserved for talent that we just couldn't compete.

590
00:34:31,146 --> 00:34:38,045
We didn't have the wages and the investors that these big companies had to lure those developers over.

591
00:34:38,425 --> 00:34:40,825
And now it seems that program has been totally hijacked.

592
00:34:40,825 --> 00:34:42,146
It's not about talent anymore.

593
00:34:42,146 --> 00:34:44,166
It's just about cheap international labor.

594
00:34:44,845 --> 00:34:46,085
It has been hijacked.

595
00:34:46,085 --> 00:34:51,065
And honestly, yeah, I mean, it's very understood why the program originally existed.

596
00:34:51,545 --> 00:35:00,865
You know, it goes back to World War II, if you think about it, taking all those brilliant scientists that the Germans had and bring them in here to help develop, you know, like nuclear capabilities, etc.

597
00:35:01,606 --> 00:35:01,985
Einstein.

598
00:35:02,365 --> 00:35:02,485
Yeah.

599
00:35:02,845 --> 00:35:06,585
So it makes sense, but that's not what it's being used for now.

600
00:35:07,345 --> 00:35:10,585
It's literally being used to circumvent the system to save money.

601
00:35:10,585 --> 00:35:15,706
I had an immigration lawyer on where she literally argued that while the wages by law have to be the same, et cetera.

602
00:35:15,885 --> 00:35:17,166
Well, yes and no.

603
00:35:17,545 --> 00:35:24,965
There's a way to write the position within a market to make them actually do more for what should be more money, but they don't.

604
00:35:25,706 --> 00:35:28,045
They also have to sponsor them for three years, for example.

605
00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:34,545
And within that three years, they're in fear of at any time, they could lose their job if they're not performing.

606
00:35:35,166 --> 00:35:36,905
So they are taking advantage of it.

607
00:35:36,905 --> 00:35:41,146
And when I see something like what Microsoft did, and this is where the tie-in is, Chad.

608
00:35:41,146 --> 00:35:52,005
When I see something like what Microsoft did to where they willingly got rid of 4,000 people, but then hired those very similar same positions with H-1B.

609
00:35:52,106 --> 00:35:53,905
They backfilled it with H-1B candidates.

610
00:35:54,785 --> 00:36:03,425
What message does that send to every citizen or everybody already living here legally in the U.S. who went to college to get their damn degrees for those same jobs?

611
00:36:03,425 --> 00:36:09,345
it's sending the message that we need to go join the democratic socialists of america

612
00:36:09,345 --> 00:36:16,425
exactly that's why this is how i mean this is exactly why this is corporate greed but the

613
00:36:16,425 --> 00:36:24,045
differences from today's baron to you know like the vanderbilt era or the standard oil days you

614
00:36:24,045 --> 00:36:29,666
know i call them welfare barons now all they know how to do is lobby the government and because our

615
00:36:29,666 --> 00:36:36,405
government has such an insatiable appetite for agency and bureaucracy. They've figured out how

616
00:36:36,405 --> 00:36:42,166
to create regulatory moats to protect their own interests. And there's no punishment for this kind

617
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:51,425
of thing because of the way they've been able to leverage this bureaucratic appetite against us

618
00:36:51,425 --> 00:36:56,845
to force us to be price takers, force the producers to be price takers, and all these places in the

619
00:36:56,845 --> 00:37:02,825
middle, just rest on their laurels. And again, we're at a major head here. And that's the message

620
00:37:02,825 --> 00:37:08,345
it's sending to young people. It's like, you don't have to do things that way. I understand companies

621
00:37:08,345 --> 00:37:13,065
need to constantly look at their labor costs and cut back and invest in different areas.

622
00:37:13,746 --> 00:37:18,485
But when you hear these stories about people training their foreign replacements,

623
00:37:18,985 --> 00:37:25,085
things like that, this is why we're seeing what we're seeing. And I always have to remind people,

624
00:37:25,085 --> 00:37:28,005
Democratic Socialists of America is not a new product.

625
00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:29,505
It's been around since 1988.

626
00:37:30,485 --> 00:37:34,146
From 1988 to 2020, they had 6,000 members.

627
00:37:34,606 --> 00:37:38,085
Now they have 800,000 members from 2020 to 2026.

628
00:37:38,885 --> 00:37:42,465
So this isn't a matter of a new product came to market.

629
00:37:42,666 --> 00:37:46,726
This is a market match to an existing product.

630
00:37:46,845 --> 00:37:48,226
It's been there for a long time.

631
00:37:48,226 --> 00:37:54,005
I think that's a very important thing to point out.

632
00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:57,365
So now we're going to veer to the DSA because they're not new.

633
00:37:57,725 --> 00:37:58,765
So let's talk more about that.

634
00:37:59,106 --> 00:38:03,686
Let's talk about the Democrats for some reason, not helping things by adopting the DSA into

635
00:38:03,686 --> 00:38:07,725
their party, even though the DSA has been very, very adamant, very, very forthright

636
00:38:07,725 --> 00:38:09,525
in how they feel about the Democrat Party.

637
00:38:10,065 --> 00:38:14,445
Their own co-chairs have said that they're literally using the party to gain exposure

638
00:38:14,445 --> 00:38:15,565
and a platform.

639
00:38:16,225 --> 00:38:20,045
Now, since the 80s, as you said, DSA has been around.

640
00:38:20,045 --> 00:38:24,626
I think when they started, they were a true democratic socialist movement.

641
00:38:25,305 --> 00:38:32,045
But I think it was around 2023 where even the founder was concerned because suddenly they're literally absorbed people who were self-professed Marxists.

642
00:38:33,206 --> 00:38:40,405
And the party has more and more become more Marxist aligned rather than a democratic socialist organization.

643
00:38:40,606 --> 00:38:42,005
So there's the danger.

644
00:38:42,005 --> 00:38:52,945
And we're seeing a lot of those views surface up to the top, and they're being more forthright about that message and not apologetic about it in any way.

645
00:38:53,385 --> 00:39:07,188
And so I got a little something to read here and this is what concerning So the Democrat Party literally and I say Democrat party because they were Democrat voters Okay That helped this which is the issue

646
00:39:07,368 --> 00:39:08,328
So they,

647
00:39:08,328 --> 00:39:13,088
they helped 123 DSA candidates when their primaries this year,

648
00:39:13,188 --> 00:39:13,928
123,

649
00:39:14,468 --> 00:39:17,108
19 of those are congressional candidates.

650
00:39:17,468 --> 00:39:17,988
Okay.

651
00:39:18,608 --> 00:39:22,808
Most of those congressional candidates are for the Senate where they're

652
00:39:22,808 --> 00:39:25,668
absolutely trying to take control and flip the house or flip the Senate.

653
00:39:25,788 --> 00:39:25,888
I mean,

654
00:39:25,888 --> 00:39:29,688
And so the Democrat Party is responsible.

655
00:39:30,208 --> 00:39:35,248
Now, this raises a question that will lead right into the other things that I know that

656
00:39:35,248 --> 00:39:38,128
you've talked about, that being identity politics, right?

657
00:39:38,408 --> 00:39:44,728
And how the Democrat Party is using the DSA playing to identity politics still today to

658
00:39:44,728 --> 00:39:46,188
fight against Trump and MAGA.

659
00:39:46,928 --> 00:39:52,468
But in the case of the DSA, how in the hell does a Democrat Party think that is, I mean,

660
00:39:53,028 --> 00:39:54,368
they don't align whatsoever.

661
00:39:54,368 --> 00:40:07,328
So I'm not understanding the play here and how they think that this might help their base when everybody that they're absorbing to try to get a larger voting base is literally turning on the Democrat Party and voting in DSA-backed candidates.

662
00:40:07,608 --> 00:40:09,148
It's not working out for them.

663
00:40:09,648 --> 00:40:18,148
So come midterms November, are people going to do the right thing, throw party politics out the window and say, I can't vote for this DSA candidate?

664
00:40:18,868 --> 00:40:22,208
I'm going to vote for the Republican even though they don't want to vote red.

665
00:40:22,208 --> 00:40:25,348
but maybe in this instance, it makes more sense.

666
00:40:25,348 --> 00:40:27,728
Or is that the play in and of itself?

667
00:40:28,308 --> 00:40:29,008
I don't know.

668
00:40:29,388 --> 00:40:30,348
What are your thoughts on this?

669
00:40:30,348 --> 00:40:31,388
A lot of it is up in the air.

670
00:40:31,528 --> 00:40:32,528
A lot of it is up in the air.

671
00:40:32,568 --> 00:40:34,028
And I'm not a big prediction guy,

672
00:40:34,128 --> 00:40:36,908
but I have to say, I do, looking at from the outside in,

673
00:40:36,908 --> 00:40:38,828
I think the DSA is the biggest gift

674
00:40:38,828 --> 00:40:42,828
that the Republicans could have ever received

675
00:40:42,828 --> 00:40:46,468
in this midterm because a lot of people think,

676
00:40:46,548 --> 00:40:48,808
you know, the midterms lost, Republicans have lost.

677
00:40:48,928 --> 00:40:49,568
I don't think that.

678
00:40:49,688 --> 00:40:52,048
I think the days of these huge margins and waves

679
00:40:52,048 --> 00:40:57,368
are so over. I think we're down to minuscule margins. I don't think we're ever going to see

680
00:40:57,368 --> 00:41:04,608
these big red or blue waves anymore. And we haven't really since 2016. But to your point,

681
00:41:04,988 --> 00:41:10,348
I think what happened really with the Democrats is they realized, wow, here's a movement. We've

682
00:41:10,348 --> 00:41:15,008
never, haven't been able to really touch young people very well. We've been so out of touch.

683
00:41:15,428 --> 00:41:19,428
There's this small faction in our party who's actually, I mean, they're the best marketers

684
00:41:19,428 --> 00:41:25,168
in politics right now. Who's getting more coverage than DSA? Nobody. So these guys are marketing and

685
00:41:25,168 --> 00:41:31,148
their people are willing to send the $5 from the fundraising emails. So for a long time,

686
00:41:31,548 --> 00:41:36,868
it was a fundraising play. It was these guys are salacious. They stoke the fear. They stoke the

687
00:41:36,868 --> 00:41:44,048
angst. They stoke the anxiety, which fear, angst, anxiety are how you fundraise in politics. It's

688
00:41:44,048 --> 00:41:46,848
the end of the republic, end of democracy.

689
00:41:47,368 --> 00:41:49,328
And they ran on this end of democracy

690
00:41:49,328 --> 00:41:52,628
and thought that the democratic socialists,

691
00:41:52,728 --> 00:41:54,328
I think they thought they would help them

692
00:41:54,328 --> 00:41:57,528
and then slowly kind of turn back into the standard.

693
00:41:57,848 --> 00:41:58,968
And they're doing the opposite.

694
00:41:59,168 --> 00:42:00,468
They're digging their heels deeper.

695
00:42:00,908 --> 00:42:02,308
And now they've got this animal.

696
00:42:02,468 --> 00:42:04,368
So they're just saying, oh, well, we're a big tent.

697
00:42:04,528 --> 00:42:07,428
But really they know they've fed this animal,

698
00:42:08,068 --> 00:42:13,208
and now they created this monster

699
00:42:13,208 --> 00:42:16,148
and now they're shocked that they're bringing out the guillotine for them.

700
00:42:16,528 --> 00:42:19,368
But you can't fundraise on radical ideas

701
00:42:19,368 --> 00:42:24,768
and then wonder why your base is all of a sudden becoming more radical.

702
00:42:25,048 --> 00:42:26,448
A, you ran on the ideas.

703
00:42:26,708 --> 00:42:30,548
And then B, what happens is when you fundraise on these crazy ideas,

704
00:42:30,648 --> 00:42:33,888
all this anti-Trump, people expect action behind it.

705
00:42:34,368 --> 00:42:36,928
And when they don't get it and they're being gaslit,

706
00:42:37,048 --> 00:42:39,288
this is what's happening on the right and on the left.

707
00:42:39,628 --> 00:42:42,468
But when people are gaslit, they go more and more extreme.

708
00:42:42,988 --> 00:42:46,488
I mean, you see, we just saw this with James Fishback in Florida too.

709
00:42:46,588 --> 00:42:51,408
It's like you have a Congress that ran on all of these conservative principles.

710
00:42:51,628 --> 00:42:54,988
No trans surgeries, no socialism, no this, no that.

711
00:42:55,128 --> 00:42:56,168
We're going to get rid of it.

712
00:42:56,228 --> 00:42:58,088
We're going to counter revolt, all the stuff that we saw.

713
00:42:58,228 --> 00:42:59,028
They've done nothing.

714
00:42:59,468 --> 00:43:03,768
This has been the most embarrassing congressional session I have seen in my lifetime.

715
00:43:04,068 --> 00:43:04,708
They've done nothing.

716
00:43:04,828 --> 00:43:06,368
They gave everyone the same amount of money.

717
00:43:06,848 --> 00:43:08,248
Doge ended up being a joke.

718
00:43:08,248 --> 00:43:16,408
So people are understandably very, very upset that they've been gaslit for this long and nothing is happening.

719
00:43:16,708 --> 00:43:17,508
So what are they going to do?

720
00:43:17,648 --> 00:43:23,268
They're going to get more extreme and they're going to start adopting what I call revenge candidates, which is what these DSAs are.

721
00:43:23,868 --> 00:43:32,208
Now, to your point, there's 123 primaries that have been won, but none of these people are really battle tested in the middle of the country for general elections.

722
00:43:32,208 --> 00:43:42,808
And I think what we see in this Michigan race with Rogers and Syed is really going to be the answer of how America is going to adopt this.

723
00:43:42,948 --> 00:43:46,768
If Syed wins, we know these people are here to stay.

724
00:43:47,088 --> 00:43:53,208
But I have a feeling that a lot of people in the center are going to have a hard time pulling a lever.

725
00:43:53,888 --> 00:43:58,588
Unfortunately, I hate to say this, but Americans in the middle of the country pulling a lever just with someone with that name.

726
00:43:58,588 --> 00:44:04,248
let alone those crazy Medicare for all politics and everything he's running on.

727
00:44:05,428 --> 00:44:08,348
So, okay.

728
00:44:09,068 --> 00:44:11,088
Sure, they're not battle tested,

729
00:44:11,388 --> 00:44:14,448
but the problem is they won the primary and they're the only option.

730
00:44:14,868 --> 00:44:15,388
Right.

731
00:44:15,468 --> 00:44:16,228
So it doesn't matter.

732
00:44:16,488 --> 00:44:18,768
They're the Democrat ticket, not the DSA ticket.

733
00:44:19,008 --> 00:44:20,068
That's the problem we have.

734
00:44:20,408 --> 00:44:24,728
And the other problem we have is identity politics or party politics,

735
00:44:24,848 --> 00:44:27,648
rather, where people vote blue no matter who.

736
00:44:27,648 --> 00:44:40,688
And you're always going to have those people who are not going to care because in their mind, even voting a DSA candidate who is being represented under the Democrat Party is a much better option than voting for red.

737
00:44:41,828 --> 00:44:43,388
Or anything Trump related.

738
00:44:43,908 --> 00:44:44,408
Or Trump.

739
00:44:44,668 --> 00:44:52,588
I think this Trump stuff is, you know, really been the greatest, one of the greatest psyops ever perpetuated on the American people.

740
00:44:52,588 --> 00:44:59,408
Because, I mean, if he touches anything, you know, I look at Steve Hilton running in California and it's like, you should have never taken that endorsement.

741
00:44:59,688 --> 00:45:04,068
You should do what Glenn Youngkin did in Virginia and run as far away from Trump as possible.

742
00:45:04,488 --> 00:45:06,268
Maybe you could get a coalition going.

743
00:45:06,628 --> 00:45:11,528
But the second that he's proudly endorsed by Trump and he's Trump's guy, there's no way he's going to win.

744
00:45:11,948 --> 00:45:14,448
Yeah, well, I'm going to talk about that in a bit.

745
00:45:14,448 --> 00:45:25,528
But back to this, the DSA thing is they are the only Democrat ticket out of those 123 primaries, the 19 of them being congressional, which is scary.

746
00:45:26,208 --> 00:45:27,448
So we do have a problem.

747
00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:35,068
And it's going to be interesting to see if Americans realize that your vote matters for America, not just your party.

748
00:45:35,068 --> 00:45:41,408
because I would rather have a Trump party candidate,

749
00:45:41,528 --> 00:45:43,668
for example, than a DSA member.

750
00:45:44,168 --> 00:45:46,428
I mean, socialism is right there.

751
00:45:47,128 --> 00:45:49,048
Democratic Socialists of America.

752
00:45:49,208 --> 00:45:49,508
I'm sorry.

753
00:45:49,608 --> 00:45:51,388
It's right in their damn name of the organization.

754
00:45:51,988 --> 00:45:52,668
And beyond that,

755
00:45:52,688 --> 00:45:56,288
after the adoption of the increase of Marxist ideology,

756
00:45:57,128 --> 00:45:58,928
I don't think it's a good thing.

757
00:45:59,348 --> 00:46:01,888
And then the Democrats themselves can't figure it out.

758
00:46:02,488 --> 00:46:04,588
So we have the voice of reason,

759
00:46:04,588 --> 00:46:08,008
John Fetterman, who is vehemently against it.

760
00:46:08,988 --> 00:46:13,928
And, you know, I mean, that guy, I got to be honest, he seems to be the more centrist

761
00:46:13,928 --> 00:46:15,888
of most people out there as far as politics.

762
00:46:16,128 --> 00:46:17,648
He does vote more Democrat all the time.

763
00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:18,788
That is his party, I understand.

764
00:46:19,488 --> 00:46:22,448
But at the same time, he makes a lot of sense when he talks.

765
00:46:23,328 --> 00:46:29,828
And then you have AOC, the darling, their star, who professes to be part of the DSA now,

766
00:46:30,228 --> 00:46:31,808
which makes no damn sense.

767
00:46:31,808 --> 00:46:36,828
so we have a splintering in the democrat party it's a matter of who if you're going to go back

768
00:46:36,828 --> 00:46:40,188
to marketing and sales it's a matter of who's going to be able to sell the narrative that

769
00:46:40,188 --> 00:46:44,308
their people are going to swallow and get behind that's basically what it's going to come down to

770
00:46:44,308 --> 00:46:50,688
who's going to sell what they believe in better than the next so that they can steer people towards

771
00:46:50,688 --> 00:46:54,388
like i mean they're going to have to grab the independent vote they're going to have to steer

772
00:46:54,388 --> 00:46:59,788
the rest of the democrats who do not believe in becoming a socialist nation towards unfortunately

773
00:46:59,788 --> 00:47:01,928
maybe voting for the red option, but it doesn't even matter.

774
00:47:02,008 --> 00:47:03,708
At that point, you got to do what's right for the country.

775
00:47:04,588 --> 00:47:07,528
And I think that applies more to the 19 congressional candidates

776
00:47:07,528 --> 00:47:08,888
is where the real issue is there, right?

777
00:47:09,788 --> 00:47:10,308
Yeah, totally.

778
00:47:10,408 --> 00:47:12,208
So I think we do have a real issue here.

779
00:47:12,328 --> 00:47:13,728
I don't think it's one we could brush under the rug,

780
00:47:13,748 --> 00:47:15,428
and I think people need to talk about it and take it more serious.

781
00:47:15,508 --> 00:47:18,028
I know you have, and we're just riffing here.

782
00:47:18,828 --> 00:47:19,688
Yeah, no, no.

783
00:47:20,008 --> 00:47:26,428
And to your point, with these DSAs,

784
00:47:26,428 --> 00:47:30,868
there is no counter-revolution.

785
00:47:32,308 --> 00:47:32,968
You're right.

786
00:47:33,028 --> 00:47:33,788
It is serious.

787
00:47:34,008 --> 00:47:35,608
So you would think that someone and I talked,

788
00:47:35,688 --> 00:47:37,728
I know you only got halfway through my show last night,

789
00:47:37,788 --> 00:47:39,048
but what I talked about was,

790
00:47:39,588 --> 00:47:41,508
10 years ago, we had Ron Paul.

791
00:47:42,148 --> 00:47:44,888
And Ron Paul, for whatever reason,

792
00:47:45,368 --> 00:47:47,448
defied space and time and physics

793
00:47:47,448 --> 00:47:49,068
and got all these young people

794
00:47:49,068 --> 00:47:50,568
behind the sort of libertarian,

795
00:47:50,748 --> 00:47:53,068
quasi-hybrid libertarian conservative movement.

796
00:47:53,768 --> 00:47:55,528
And he was able to get people

797
00:47:55,528 --> 00:48:02,968
in the same enthusiasm and energy that you're seeing on the DSA side for free markets and

798
00:48:02,968 --> 00:48:08,968
a little bit of isolationism with global politics or whatever. But he was a good

799
00:48:08,968 --> 00:48:13,368
counter-revolutionary. We don't have that. And unfortunately, the people on the right right now

800
00:48:13,368 --> 00:48:17,828
are just saying, oh, they're just communists. They're just crazy. Well, I'm sorry, dismissing

801
00:48:17,828 --> 00:48:23,148
a generation of young people in this country that are unhappy and not providing an alternative

802
00:48:23,148 --> 00:48:29,868
solution that something is clearly catching up. Again, 6,000 to 800,000 members is not a rounding

803
00:48:29,868 --> 00:48:36,948
error. So to your point, but we're not offering any solution. And that's what I was trying to say

804
00:48:36,948 --> 00:48:42,268
in my show last night and in everything that I write. It's that ignoring, calling them names,

805
00:48:42,488 --> 00:48:46,168
sneering at them, telling them they're stupid, telling them to stop buying their Starbucks

806
00:48:46,168 --> 00:48:52,728
is not going to work at the ballot box. We have to have a solution and we have to show people

807
00:48:52,728 --> 00:48:57,868
what you're feeling, what you're mad about and what you're feeling are not necessarily the same

808
00:48:57,868 --> 00:49:03,268
thing. And we understand where you're at right now. And here's someone that can step up and be

809
00:49:03,268 --> 00:49:07,968
that person. I don't know who it is, but we need a counter-revolutionary movement on the right

810
00:49:07,968 --> 00:49:11,948
that's going to provide solutions for these people instead of just say, oh no, this is free market.

811
00:49:12,068 --> 00:49:15,528
This is capitalism, business as usual. That's not going to fly either.

812
00:49:16,208 --> 00:49:20,288
Yeah, I think you're right. And I also believe that the other issue we have is we have elected

813
00:49:20,288 --> 00:49:24,228
representatives not listening to those who elected them, just ignoring them.

814
00:49:24,428 --> 00:49:28,788
Because the problems that are being discussed right now are problems that have been around

815
00:49:28,788 --> 00:49:31,188
for a while and have been brought up but never addressed.

816
00:49:31,428 --> 00:49:34,268
I mean, back to your point about Doge, what was the point of that?

817
00:49:34,348 --> 00:49:38,768
If you uncovered all this fraud and waste and programs that weren't working and there

818
00:49:38,768 --> 00:49:43,028
was a solution offered to you and you chose not to implement those solutions, then what

819
00:49:43,028 --> 00:49:43,708
was the point of it?

820
00:49:43,728 --> 00:49:44,588
It was just window dressing?

821
00:49:44,588 --> 00:49:44,968
Exactly.

822
00:49:45,388 --> 00:49:45,868
Yes.

823
00:49:46,148 --> 00:49:47,228
It made no sense.

824
00:49:47,928 --> 00:49:49,528
This is from 2.0.

825
00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:51,708
This is the challenge with this administration.

826
00:49:52,088 --> 00:49:55,108
It's podium politics versus what's actually at the docket.

827
00:49:55,548 --> 00:49:57,708
Oh, Dojan covered a trillion dollars.

828
00:49:57,888 --> 00:49:59,228
Then you look at the rescission package.

829
00:49:59,348 --> 00:50:00,548
It's like 50 million bucks.

830
00:50:01,168 --> 00:50:01,968
Like who cares?

831
00:50:02,468 --> 00:50:02,548
Right.

832
00:50:02,688 --> 00:50:05,748
You know, it's not all these people are getting rehired again.

833
00:50:06,048 --> 00:50:09,528
All the ones that got laid off, the federal government's rehiring them on the back end.

834
00:50:10,088 --> 00:50:13,988
So it's not and that's why I, you know, we had that conversation about being independent

835
00:50:13,988 --> 00:50:18,988
and conservative right now, because I agree with what everyone is saying.

836
00:50:19,528 --> 00:50:23,608
I have a problem with what they're doing because they're not actually doing anything about it.

837
00:50:23,688 --> 00:50:27,808
We have this whole Congress that ran on all these things and they're not doing anything about it.

838
00:50:28,248 --> 00:50:34,408
And people are always on me for being too hard on Republicans, being too hard on Republican candidates.

839
00:50:34,668 --> 00:50:35,208
I'm sorry.

840
00:50:35,568 --> 00:50:36,988
The Democrats are so far gone.

841
00:50:37,048 --> 00:50:38,708
That is an easy target for me.

842
00:50:38,708 --> 00:50:41,548
I'm going to hold my own people to the level that I want.

843
00:50:41,948 --> 00:50:46,888
And I'm going to make sure that conservatives who run on conservative principles actually follow through.

844
00:50:46,888 --> 00:50:52,868
I mean, this is what, you know, Teddy Roosevelt and Reagan broke up AT&T, breaking up monopolies, trust busting.

845
00:50:53,128 --> 00:50:54,868
That is the conservative principle.

846
00:50:55,068 --> 00:50:59,688
We have completely ignored it and walked away from it and let this whole sprawl to happen.

847
00:51:00,368 --> 00:51:05,888
So, again, a lot of this is people are saying the right things, but they're not doing the right things.

848
00:51:05,888 --> 00:51:07,548
And as a nation, we've been gaslit.

849
00:51:08,768 --> 00:51:10,928
Yeah, I and shoot.

850
00:51:11,488 --> 00:51:13,228
OK, a couple of things I want to say.

851
00:51:13,228 --> 00:51:17,928
Well, firstly, I think some of what would help with this would actually be term limits in Congress.

852
00:51:18,648 --> 00:51:19,108
That might help.

853
00:51:19,508 --> 00:51:22,668
I'm a huge performer of Article 5 Convention of States.

854
00:51:23,748 --> 00:51:25,228
I support Mark Meckler.

855
00:51:25,448 --> 00:51:25,988
I'm a writer.

856
00:51:26,128 --> 00:51:28,288
I'm a volunteer for Convention of States action.

857
00:51:28,828 --> 00:51:31,028
That's the only way we're ever going to take this back.

858
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:34,428
And they only want three things, by the way, which I think every American agrees with.

859
00:51:34,528 --> 00:51:41,308
Term limits, fiscal guardrails, and some more transparency reporting requirements on their end.

860
00:51:41,348 --> 00:51:41,708
That's it.

861
00:51:41,848 --> 00:51:42,408
That's all they want.

862
00:51:42,408 --> 00:51:42,508
Yeah.

863
00:51:43,228 --> 00:51:45,508
And then Trump 2.0.

864
00:51:45,588 --> 00:51:54,088
I mean, honestly, I kind of expected some of the antics and whatnot that we're seeing just because he doesn't have another term.

865
00:51:54,088 --> 00:51:58,548
I think he's in a hurry to get done what he can regardless and doesn't care about the consequences.

866
00:51:58,688 --> 00:51:59,388
He's going scorched earth.

867
00:51:59,488 --> 00:52:00,248
That's what it is.

868
00:52:00,328 --> 00:52:01,648
Because this is his last term.

869
00:52:01,728 --> 00:52:02,328
He doesn't give a damn.

870
00:52:02,408 --> 00:52:02,728
He really doesn't.

871
00:52:02,756 --> 00:52:08,436
but you're not helping the conservative party when he announced like,

872
00:52:08,536 --> 00:52:08,656
Hey,

873
00:52:08,696 --> 00:52:09,556
if we can keep that,

874
00:52:09,636 --> 00:52:13,076
if we can keep Congress red and in control,

875
00:52:13,256 --> 00:52:14,896
everyone gets a $5,000 check.

876
00:52:14,896 --> 00:52:15,336
I'm like,

877
00:52:15,936 --> 00:52:19,636
is that kind of like voter integrity issue right there?

878
00:52:19,656 --> 00:52:19,776
Like,

879
00:52:19,776 --> 00:52:20,856
are you trying to buy votes?

880
00:52:20,856 --> 00:52:21,016
Like,

881
00:52:21,076 --> 00:52:21,296
what are,

882
00:52:21,356 --> 00:52:22,476
what are you talking about?

883
00:52:23,096 --> 00:52:24,596
What's a hundred percent a bribe?

884
00:52:24,596 --> 00:52:26,276
If the Democrat party did that,

885
00:52:26,316 --> 00:52:27,236
we would be screaming,

886
00:52:27,376 --> 00:52:27,576
right?

887
00:52:27,676 --> 00:52:28,196
Would we not?

888
00:52:28,436 --> 00:52:29,376
Oh my God.

889
00:52:29,456 --> 00:52:29,656
Yes,

890
00:52:29,656 --> 00:52:30,356
we'd be screaming.

891
00:52:30,556 --> 00:52:30,876
And if,

892
00:52:31,056 --> 00:52:31,496
and you know,

893
00:52:31,516 --> 00:52:31,696
my,

894
00:52:31,696 --> 00:52:36,236
whole problem with that is you do the first midterm convention that the Republicans have

895
00:52:36,236 --> 00:52:40,416
done in a very, very long time, which by the way, Grindr crashed every night of the Republican

896
00:52:40,416 --> 00:52:48,196
convention. That's a separate story. But you do a first time midterm convention and it's impressive.

897
00:52:48,436 --> 00:52:54,056
I mean, the guy can put on an event. I mean, he is, you know, and he has more energy and I love

898
00:52:54,056 --> 00:52:58,476
the way he talks. I mean, I have so many great things I love about the guy. I really do. I always

899
00:52:58,476 --> 00:53:02,396
say, he's kind of like America's grandpa. He says weird off the wall stuff and he's just very much

900
00:53:02,396 --> 00:53:06,636
a victim of his time. But he runs this whole thing to tell everyone before the midterms how

901
00:53:06,636 --> 00:53:13,196
wonderful we're doing and then offers $5,000 a vote. Basically, it's like, how great are you

902
00:53:13,196 --> 00:53:19,056
doing if you have to bribe people? You know, what's crazy is, you know, it goes back to what

903
00:53:19,056 --> 00:53:23,556
you said in the beginning of the conversation, like the very beginning where you were talking

904
00:53:23,556 --> 00:53:27,236
about how you felt you had to be a better representative, you know, within your niche

905
00:53:27,236 --> 00:53:27,916
or whatever it is.

906
00:53:28,536 --> 00:53:30,156
And it's like now,

907
00:53:30,336 --> 00:53:32,316
if you're just trying to tell the truth

908
00:53:32,316 --> 00:53:33,956
and stand up and have integrity,

909
00:53:34,816 --> 00:53:36,696
it's like I made a comment about this

910
00:53:36,696 --> 00:53:37,476
on social media.

911
00:53:38,076 --> 00:53:41,036
And I was like, yeah, this is voter manipulation

912
00:53:41,036 --> 00:53:44,696
and automatically lost some fault.

913
00:53:44,696 --> 00:53:45,236
Oh, yeah.

914
00:53:45,656 --> 00:53:47,156
And I'm like, come on, man.

915
00:53:47,296 --> 00:53:50,056
I mean, do you not see how Trump needs

916
00:53:50,056 --> 00:53:50,936
to walk that back?

917
00:53:51,076 --> 00:53:52,916
It's not doing the Republican Party

918
00:53:52,916 --> 00:53:55,136
or the MAGA movement any service at all.

919
00:53:55,196 --> 00:53:55,816
It's just not.

920
00:53:56,256 --> 00:53:58,096
You know, that's not what we're supposed to stand for.

921
00:53:58,696 --> 00:54:00,916
And so it's not what we're supposed to stand for.

922
00:54:00,996 --> 00:54:09,336
And it's also completely counterintuitive that the message that you're trying to send the people, it's like, again, confidence through strength, delivery results.

923
00:54:09,336 --> 00:54:12,276
And I do think, I really do, I have to say this.

924
00:54:12,716 --> 00:54:19,576
We have won a lot of, we've had some really big wins under Trump, especially in contrast to those four years under Biden.

925
00:54:20,496 --> 00:54:24,016
But they're also not talking to people about it.

926
00:54:24,016 --> 00:54:27,696
They're not showing people the efforts that they're making.

927
00:54:28,416 --> 00:54:33,916
And then again, largely, it's because these are all podium talking points and we're not

928
00:54:33,916 --> 00:54:35,576
actually seeing anything that's in the talk.

929
00:54:35,616 --> 00:54:36,336
It's like this big house.

930
00:54:36,396 --> 00:54:40,416
We're talking about housing, this big housing bill that they just passed, bipartisan, billions

931
00:54:40,416 --> 00:54:41,076
of dollars.

932
00:54:41,256 --> 00:54:45,676
You ask one question, is there anything in this bill that makes getting into a first

933
00:54:45,676 --> 00:54:46,856
time home cheaper?

934
00:54:47,476 --> 00:54:47,916
No.

935
00:54:48,576 --> 00:54:49,836
It expands apartments.

936
00:54:49,836 --> 00:54:57,376
it expands but it doesn't do anything to the cost of the house right that's a podium election

937
00:54:57,376 --> 00:55:03,396
talking point and not actual docket that will move the needle and and americans unfortunately

938
00:55:03,396 --> 00:55:08,956
we can't hold two truths at the same time i was just on a senator's podcast on sunday one of the

939
00:55:08,956 --> 00:55:14,976
i mean i laughed i said you make joe biden look like a republican he was so liberal um but he uh

940
00:55:14,976 --> 00:55:17,656
we were talking and he said, I hate identity politics.

941
00:55:18,016 --> 00:55:22,096
I said, well, then name one positive thing about what Trump's done since the first or

942
00:55:22,096 --> 00:55:23,376
what he couldn't do it.

943
00:55:23,796 --> 00:55:28,756
And it's like, why can't I say something like, I really like what Trump's done with beef,

944
00:55:28,976 --> 00:55:31,136
but I really don't like what he's done with Iran.

945
00:55:31,556 --> 00:55:36,456
Why can't we have, why have we lost that ability to do that in this country?

946
00:55:36,936 --> 00:55:38,476
Because it's a team sport, Chad.

947
00:55:38,576 --> 00:55:40,556
That's why it's a team sport.

948
00:55:40,856 --> 00:55:41,596
Because I'm a golfer.

949
00:55:41,736 --> 00:55:42,656
So I guess I don't know.

950
00:55:42,656 --> 00:55:50,116
Yeah, and look, the problem is nobody really wants to talk about the issues.

951
00:55:50,716 --> 00:55:51,676
I'm talking about real issues.

952
00:55:51,896 --> 00:55:53,396
They're doing podium politics, like you said.

953
00:55:53,616 --> 00:55:56,596
They're talking, everybody wants to talk like, oh, big picture.

954
00:55:56,716 --> 00:55:58,516
You don't talk about, we got to look at the big picture.

955
00:55:58,636 --> 00:55:58,756
Cool.

956
00:55:58,796 --> 00:55:59,676
Well, what is that big picture?

957
00:56:00,416 --> 00:56:05,396
I could talk geopolitics with anybody, and I could definitely go down that road and connect the dots.

958
00:56:05,696 --> 00:56:08,976
But when you press somebody on it, one of our representatives, they just fall apart.

959
00:56:08,976 --> 00:56:14,636
They collapse because they realize that you actually care about the issue and they don't have an answer for it.

960
00:56:15,116 --> 00:56:18,296
The problem is nobody wants to talk about the issues that matter.

961
00:56:18,816 --> 00:56:21,456
And when they do, they can't offer a solution.

962
00:56:22,536 --> 00:56:26,076
And going back to Doge, when a solution is offered, they don't want to implement it.

963
00:56:26,616 --> 00:56:27,696
So what's the point?

964
00:56:28,016 --> 00:56:34,576
If we don't really have a choice and our vote is being shown to everybody that it really doesn't matter because they don't want to be held accountable.

965
00:56:34,676 --> 00:56:35,516
And that's the other thing we don't have, Chad.

966
00:56:35,516 --> 00:56:39,996
the people don't realize that we can hold these people accountable, but yet we do not do it.

967
00:56:40,816 --> 00:56:46,436
So the other problem is, okay, let's get back to it. Term limits, number one, right? You agree?

968
00:56:46,796 --> 00:56:48,376
Yep. We need solutions to issues.

969
00:56:48,376 --> 00:56:51,436
Everywhere. I think SCOTUS should be on term limits too.

970
00:56:51,876 --> 00:56:52,716
Yes. Yes.

971
00:56:53,456 --> 00:56:58,516
I come from the private sector where you move people around, they learn more. You never stay

972
00:56:58,516 --> 00:57:03,316
in the same job more than five years at P&G, for example. That's how they train you to move on.

973
00:57:03,316 --> 00:57:05,596
So I don't think term limits is a weak thing.

974
00:57:05,656 --> 00:57:06,576
I think it's a good thing.

975
00:57:07,136 --> 00:57:10,556
Yeah, no, you need to make room for new ideas, new blood, etc.

976
00:57:11,556 --> 00:57:15,136
But so we're talking about term limits for sure.

977
00:57:16,376 --> 00:57:20,476
We need to solutions, actually implement solutions.

978
00:57:20,796 --> 00:57:26,776
And one of the ways to do that is a lot of people oppose having single subject bills,

979
00:57:26,856 --> 00:57:27,276
for example.

980
00:57:27,816 --> 00:57:29,176
They think it's a waste of time.

981
00:57:29,256 --> 00:57:30,076
Well, it doesn't make any sense.

982
00:57:30,116 --> 00:57:30,716
It's a waste of time.

983
00:57:30,716 --> 00:57:33,656
Well, how can you explain to us that it's a waste of time?

984
00:57:33,816 --> 00:57:36,656
Why can't we separate something that actually matters?

985
00:57:36,756 --> 00:57:45,296
Like if we talk about the SAVE Act, for example, or when Trump 1.0 was trying to build the border wall, but yet the Democrats had control and were trying to tie it to Ukraine funding.

986
00:57:46,036 --> 00:57:47,796
How does that even go together?

987
00:57:49,016 --> 00:57:54,056
Even in that housing bill, there's a US dollar cryptocurrency clause.

988
00:57:54,196 --> 00:57:54,796
Oh, that's right.

989
00:57:54,876 --> 00:57:55,436
I forgot about that.

990
00:57:55,976 --> 00:57:57,096
In the housing bill.

991
00:57:57,316 --> 00:57:58,876
It has to stop.

992
00:57:59,356 --> 00:58:00,236
It has to stop.

993
00:58:00,236 --> 00:58:06,116
Now, one thing I love about AI is there's never been a better tool now to read a 600-page bill and summarize it.

994
00:58:06,376 --> 00:58:13,396
So someone in my position, now I can pop it in and get all kinds of great information, which I think should scare them.

995
00:58:13,636 --> 00:58:17,156
Because now we finally have people that can understand this stuff.

996
00:58:17,236 --> 00:58:24,136
The whole thing that they were always selling before was complexity and trying to fit a 600-page bill into a bumper sticker.

997
00:58:24,696 --> 00:58:26,256
And that has to stop.

998
00:58:26,256 --> 00:58:30,636
And this whole idea of single bills being wrong, I totally agree with you.

999
00:58:30,996 --> 00:58:36,056
I also think the other solution is we need to have sunset clauses on everything.

1000
00:58:36,456 --> 00:58:39,896
If it's working, just look it up, revote for it again in five years.

1001
00:58:40,036 --> 00:58:43,496
If it's not working, justify keeping this going.

1002
00:58:43,936 --> 00:58:47,676
Because without sunset clauses, that's how we get trapped in these certainty things

1003
00:58:47,676 --> 00:58:51,336
where one little thing in a 600-page bill stays there.

1004
00:58:51,336 --> 00:58:55,556
and it costs us so much money, time, and resources

1005
00:58:55,556 --> 00:58:57,836
blocking the progress it could have made

1006
00:58:57,836 --> 00:59:01,816
when it doesn't even know that it's in that whole mess

1007
00:59:01,816 --> 00:59:04,196
or web of stuff in the swamp.

1008
00:59:05,036 --> 00:59:05,156
Right.

1009
00:59:05,316 --> 00:59:06,516
So, I mean, there you go.

1010
00:59:06,676 --> 00:59:07,976
We got single subject bills.

1011
00:59:08,256 --> 00:59:12,856
We have term limits and sunset clauses would be great.

1012
00:59:13,736 --> 00:59:17,716
And how about we have a way to affect Congress

1013
00:59:17,716 --> 00:59:19,636
that doesn't involve Congress actually voting

1014
00:59:19,636 --> 00:59:21,236
for what works for them only.

1015
00:59:21,336 --> 00:59:22,436
That doesn't make sense.

1016
00:59:22,996 --> 00:59:25,316
Like they're the only ones who could vote on their salary, right?

1017
00:59:25,396 --> 00:59:28,136
They're the only ones who could vote on if they could limit their term limits.

1018
00:59:28,276 --> 00:59:31,636
Like, does it, I mean, is any, you're a CEO.

1019
00:59:31,636 --> 00:59:33,956
Are you going to vote against your own bonus?

1020
00:59:34,956 --> 00:59:36,716
No, of course not.

1021
00:59:37,076 --> 00:59:40,896
You know, when we talk about education, you know, when I talk about cause and effect,

1022
00:59:40,976 --> 00:59:46,516
the other big thing is, is that people really need to understand just basic, basic incentive

1023
00:59:46,516 --> 00:59:53,236
structure. Because when you know an incentive, you can basically understand why everyone's doing

1024
00:59:53,236 --> 01:00:00,536
what they're doing. But if you don't know what the real incentive is, then you might as well

1025
01:00:00,536 --> 01:00:05,036
be bowling in the dark. You have no clue. So teaching people the incentive, the incentive of

1026
01:00:05,036 --> 01:00:10,376
media, the incentive of journalism, the incentive of politicians, and what those incentives are,

1027
01:00:10,776 --> 01:00:14,616
it will help everyone have a better basic understanding of the decisions that these

1028
01:00:14,616 --> 01:00:19,936
people make and the relationship that they have with politics, power, and media, whether

1029
01:00:19,936 --> 01:00:23,756
it's serving them or not, because they can understand the incentive structure that it's

1030
01:00:23,756 --> 01:00:27,636
driving those decisions that are impacting their lives.

1031
01:00:29,896 --> 01:00:34,976
So, Chad, I'm going to veer this slightly a little different direction, but before we

1032
01:00:34,976 --> 01:00:38,716
leave this particular subject altogether, I have one more question regarding this, your

1033
01:00:38,716 --> 01:00:39,416
opinion, by the way.

1034
01:00:39,816 --> 01:00:44,356
So, we talked about how there was a rift in the Democrat Party between the DSA and the

1035
01:00:44,356 --> 01:00:46,276
actual hardline Democrats or old school Democrats.

1036
01:00:46,276 --> 01:00:50,436
And then we also seem to have the same thing going on in the Republican

1037
01:00:50,436 --> 01:00:50,816
party.

1038
01:00:50,816 --> 01:00:55,756
If you're looking at the MAGA movement and who is considered the actual

1039
01:00:55,756 --> 01:00:56,856
Republican party or conservatives.

1040
01:00:57,516 --> 01:00:59,256
And then we have a third,

1041
01:00:59,356 --> 01:01:02,176
third thing here within the Republican party,

1042
01:01:02,236 --> 01:01:03,216
that being the,

1043
01:01:03,216 --> 01:01:09,136
the political influencers and podcasters who seem to think they're rock

1044
01:01:09,136 --> 01:01:11,716
stars of the world and they can do no wrong and say whatever they want.

1045
01:01:11,896 --> 01:01:13,876
And that's also a problem.

1046
01:01:14,356 --> 01:01:16,496
So it's a big problem with that.

1047
01:01:16,616 --> 01:01:18,276
I mean, I'm going to ask the question.

1048
01:01:18,316 --> 01:01:19,756
Do you think the conservative party's in trouble?

1049
01:01:20,136 --> 01:01:21,076
Should it be split?

1050
01:01:21,556 --> 01:01:23,136
I mean, what do we need to do the right to ship?

1051
01:01:24,276 --> 01:01:25,816
You know, that's a great question.

1052
01:01:25,956 --> 01:01:28,796
I'm not sure if I'm the right one to have the final solution.

1053
01:01:28,796 --> 01:01:33,176
But what I can tell you is, is that I look at everything very pragmatically.

1054
01:01:33,696 --> 01:01:39,976
When you see people like Tucker Carlson saying someone like James Fishback is the future of the Republican Party.

1055
01:01:39,976 --> 01:01:53,329
Same man a week later got on stage told a black guy he deserved to be lynched but that neither here nor there But you got this Tucker Carlson endorsing someone like James Fishback That is no different than what we seeing with Bernie Sanders and AOC

1056
01:01:53,329 --> 01:02:01,029
on the left. It's just another split, factional split, because of the same diagnosis for me.

1057
01:02:01,149 --> 01:02:06,789
People feel gaslit. Certainly, Tucker resonates with people because he's got a following that

1058
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:14,549
listens to him. So again, it's, yes, we're in just as much trouble on our side as they are on their

1059
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:20,069
side. The difference is, is that Democrats historically have always kind of been able to

1060
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:24,629
pull it together for the cameras and look like they're united, you know, and fight behind the

1061
01:02:24,629 --> 01:02:29,449
curtain. Whereas Republicans, for whatever reason, we can't help but take it out to the streets.

1062
01:02:30,169 --> 01:02:35,029
You know, so from a public perception, we've got a lot of work to do on our side.

1063
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:38,769
but the cause

1064
01:02:38,769 --> 01:02:40,749
and effect and the diagnosis

1065
01:02:40,749 --> 01:02:42,569
that you made is it's the exact same thing

1066
01:02:42,569 --> 01:02:43,689
happening on both sides

1067
01:02:43,689 --> 01:02:46,589
what's great about it is it's

1068
01:02:46,589 --> 01:02:48,509
creating more independence is we're the fastest

1069
01:02:48,509 --> 01:02:50,489
growing group you know and independence have gone

1070
01:02:50,489 --> 01:02:52,529
from 20 to 28% in the last three

1071
01:02:52,529 --> 01:02:52,929
years

1072
01:02:52,929 --> 01:02:56,169
it's I guess

1073
01:02:56,169 --> 01:02:58,469
you know you're right and it's not

1074
01:02:58,469 --> 01:03:00,509
just like you said you might not be the right

1075
01:03:00,509 --> 01:03:02,449
person to answer this but I mean the reality

1076
01:03:02,449 --> 01:03:04,449
is we what is the actual answer we don't

1077
01:03:04,449 --> 01:03:09,669
know i mean if if we further splinter the party then we dilute the voter base and then we create

1078
01:03:09,669 --> 01:03:16,569
maybe another party and the influence that these podcasters have um that you know we've all put on

1079
01:03:16,569 --> 01:03:23,149
a pedestal and look to as if they were rock stars like metallic on stage or whatever um is also the

1080
01:03:23,149 --> 01:03:26,989
issue uh if we could just look at these people as what they are because most of them aren't even

1081
01:03:26,989 --> 01:03:31,089
real political commentators they're entertainers more than anything they're just background noise

1082
01:03:31,089 --> 01:03:33,649
and they seem so out of touch.

1083
01:03:33,889 --> 01:03:35,489
And of course, I mean, we're podcasters.

1084
01:03:35,769 --> 01:03:37,569
It's strange for me to be saying this,

1085
01:03:37,649 --> 01:03:38,189
doing what I do.

1086
01:03:38,269 --> 01:03:39,109
But at the same time,

1087
01:03:39,229 --> 01:03:41,529
I think there's a difference between those,

1088
01:03:41,609 --> 01:03:42,469
like you said earlier,

1089
01:03:42,909 --> 01:03:44,249
looking for likes and clicks

1090
01:03:44,249 --> 01:03:46,049
to keep their monetization going

1091
01:03:46,049 --> 01:03:47,349
so that they can continue to live out

1092
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:48,909
this life of entertainment

1093
01:03:48,909 --> 01:03:50,289
and whatever else goes with it.

1094
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:53,829
And those who really take this serious,

1095
01:03:54,109 --> 01:03:55,469
it's not just commentary.

1096
01:03:55,949 --> 01:03:58,929
I think it's delivering the ability

1097
01:03:58,929 --> 01:04:00,529
to actually have these discussions

1098
01:04:00,529 --> 01:04:04,709
that we're having, really discuss as we were talking about earlier, real issues.

1099
01:04:04,889 --> 01:04:09,349
Now, we may not come up with solutions to the problems, but at least we're starting to

1100
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:12,829
get the conversation rolling to where people smarter than us can come up with that.

1101
01:04:13,009 --> 01:04:15,209
Maybe someone listening will go, hey, you know what?

1102
01:04:15,249 --> 01:04:15,669
Good point.

1103
01:04:16,049 --> 01:04:16,889
I'll take that on.

1104
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:18,809
And here's what I'm going to do to come up with solutions.

1105
01:04:18,949 --> 01:04:19,809
So there's always that.

1106
01:04:21,729 --> 01:04:24,189
So let's move on to the last segment here.

1107
01:04:24,889 --> 01:04:26,629
And let me just add really quick.

1108
01:04:26,809 --> 01:04:29,289
Two years ago, I would have told you, we need a third party.

1109
01:04:29,369 --> 01:04:30,269
We need a third party.

1110
01:04:30,269 --> 01:04:43,629
But now that I've seen the success of the DSA hijacking the Democrat Party, I'm wondering if we can do that with the GOP and root out all the special interest nonsense that we've...

1111
01:04:43,629 --> 01:04:47,009
The real problem with the GOP is that we've just been infected by special interest.

1112
01:04:47,209 --> 01:04:48,289
That's the real issue.

1113
01:04:49,289 --> 01:04:51,869
But the Democrats have their own worry.

1114
01:04:51,869 --> 01:05:04,849
So I'm hoping that we could do something similar to the DSA, but on the right to get rid of a lot of the special interest and a lot of this lobbying money that's muddying the conservative principles that we all want to see.

1115
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:11,669
Okay, so before we talk about AI, I think that you're right, and I have said the same damn thing.

1116
01:05:11,869 --> 01:05:14,229
I want to get rid of special interest groups altogether.

1117
01:05:15,169 --> 01:05:16,709
We don't need a special interest group.

1118
01:05:16,809 --> 01:05:19,489
We just need them to listen to the people who are voting.

1119
01:05:20,209 --> 01:05:22,869
Yes, and I think lobbying should be illegal as well.

1120
01:05:23,009 --> 01:05:23,849
Lobbying should be done.

1121
01:05:24,649 --> 01:05:25,449
Or...

1122
01:05:25,449 --> 01:05:26,009
Earmarks.

1123
01:05:26,329 --> 01:05:29,249
I mean, that's one thing Paul Ryan, I mean, I think he did such a good job.

1124
01:05:29,309 --> 01:05:30,329
We got rid of earmarks.

1125
01:05:30,429 --> 01:05:31,389
Now earmarks are back.

1126
01:05:31,489 --> 01:05:33,669
So much for this conservative Republican control.

1127
01:05:34,129 --> 01:05:37,069
Everyone's sending, you know, I just saw the big, beautiful bill,

1128
01:05:37,449 --> 01:05:41,109
millions of dollars for pickleball courts in San Onofre, California,

1129
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:42,649
and just stupid stuff.

1130
01:05:42,849 --> 01:05:44,089
Give me a break.

1131
01:05:44,709 --> 01:05:47,769
Can we just get back to a semblance of normalcy here?

1132
01:05:47,769 --> 01:05:49,049
what about what about

1133
01:05:49,049 --> 01:05:51,589
I mean I think there might be a case for

1134
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:53,429
lobbying where it does make sense

1135
01:05:53,429 --> 01:05:55,249
like there might be there might be

1136
01:05:55,249 --> 01:05:56,949
where it does make sense but

1137
01:05:56,949 --> 01:05:58,769
I want to see it done openly

1138
01:05:58,769 --> 01:06:01,249
I want to say okay once a week

1139
01:06:01,249 --> 01:06:03,749
you get your chance to lobby the entire

1140
01:06:03,749 --> 01:06:05,349
house or senate period

1141
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:07,089
in front of everybody

1142
01:06:07,089 --> 01:06:08,629
give us your pitch

1143
01:06:08,629 --> 01:06:11,429
that's how it should be no more

1144
01:06:11,429 --> 01:06:13,529
secret meetings no one on ones no more

1145
01:06:13,529 --> 01:06:15,549
bullshit this is what I have

1146
01:06:15,549 --> 01:06:17,289
to say I'm a lobbyist

1147
01:06:17,769 --> 01:06:19,229
All the representatives are here.

1148
01:06:19,849 --> 01:06:20,609
Here you go.

1149
01:06:21,209 --> 01:06:21,869
Here's your chance.

1150
01:06:22,029 --> 01:06:22,849
Yeah, and one of my buddies,

1151
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:25,129
one of my favorites out there is Bo Snardley.

1152
01:06:25,249 --> 01:06:26,829
You know, he produced the Rush Limbaugh show

1153
01:06:26,829 --> 01:06:27,929
for over 30 years.

1154
01:06:27,929 --> 01:06:31,409
And he says, he did a satire this weekend

1155
01:06:31,409 --> 01:06:34,689
and said that he wants all the Congress

1156
01:06:34,689 --> 01:06:36,429
to have to wear body cams.

1157
01:06:36,729 --> 01:06:40,429
That would be, yeah.

1158
01:06:40,949 --> 01:06:42,429
I think that would be great.

1159
01:06:43,069 --> 01:06:43,349
Whatever.

1160
01:06:44,209 --> 01:06:45,749
Because if you think about it,

1161
01:06:46,209 --> 01:06:47,609
you know, they have such an insatiable

1162
01:06:47,609 --> 01:06:49,549
appetite for technology when it's about

1163
01:06:49,549 --> 01:06:52,229
controlling us. Block cams,

1164
01:06:52,329 --> 01:06:53,669
surveillance, fraud,

1165
01:06:53,809 --> 01:06:55,749
detection. But all of these

1166
01:06:55,749 --> 01:06:57,429
off-the-shelf tools that can cut

1167
01:06:57,429 --> 01:06:58,969
federal double payments,

1168
01:06:59,549 --> 01:07:01,649
checks going sent to dead, they have

1169
01:07:01,649 --> 01:07:03,729
an allergy to. Anything that looks

1170
01:07:03,729 --> 01:07:05,569
at them, they have an allergy to, but their

1171
01:07:05,569 --> 01:07:07,789
appetite is insatiable for anything that looks at us.

1172
01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:09,109
Yeah, it's crazy because

1173
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:11,929
to your

1174
01:07:11,929 --> 01:07:14,529
point here, they literally passed

1175
01:07:14,529 --> 01:07:17,549
I think it's law.

1176
01:07:17,609 --> 01:07:24,349
To where all the cars, 2026 and on, have biometrics and telemetry sensors.

1177
01:07:24,489 --> 01:07:24,729
Everything.

1178
01:07:25,049 --> 01:07:27,329
Everything that records you in your car.

1179
01:07:27,509 --> 01:07:28,309
Everything you do.

1180
01:07:29,149 --> 01:07:32,589
And send that information back to the insurance companies, to the police.

1181
01:07:32,829 --> 01:07:36,049
It can make the determination that you're too angry to drive, too emotional.

1182
01:07:36,209 --> 01:07:37,049
Shut your car down.

1183
01:07:37,169 --> 01:07:40,769
There's so many things that can happen now that are built into these vehicles.

1184
01:07:41,069 --> 01:07:43,169
And it's like, hmm.

1185
01:07:43,729 --> 01:07:47,509
How did Congress, how did they get together and pass that?

1186
01:07:47,609 --> 01:07:50,649
how? But yet they can't wear body cam?

1187
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:52,789
Like, I want to see a camera on those

1188
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:54,729
bastards 24-7. We'll live stream

1189
01:07:54,729 --> 01:07:56,369
that fucking channel, to be quite honest.

1190
01:07:56,769 --> 01:07:58,809
Let's just put that thing out there. I think it'll be the most

1191
01:07:58,809 --> 01:08:00,429
entertaining thing on YouTube, you name it.

1192
01:08:00,809 --> 01:08:02,289
And let's see how much they get away with.

1193
01:08:03,409 --> 01:08:04,869
Well, what's so funny is that, you know,

1194
01:08:04,909 --> 01:08:06,809
as we're going to go and talk about the AI

1195
01:08:06,809 --> 01:08:08,869
topic, it's like I've always said, I think

1196
01:08:08,869 --> 01:08:10,909
Congress is the first job that should get replaced

1197
01:08:10,909 --> 01:08:12,849
by AI. I mean, they talk about truck

1198
01:08:12,849 --> 01:08:14,789
drivers. I don't want a computer deciding

1199
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:16,789
if they're going to change a lane in front of me. However,

1200
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:22,429
a true congressperson is just a proxy voter for their community. So if there's a way to just kind

1201
01:08:22,429 --> 01:08:27,589
of create a survey and the community gets to vote on it, and then if they vote against it,

1202
01:08:27,609 --> 01:08:31,709
they have to come and justify. So I'm like, I would rather have AI than these congresspeople.

1203
01:08:31,909 --> 01:08:36,449
But I mean, it's kind of funny. You have to have some human decision making. But my point,

1204
01:08:36,589 --> 01:08:43,749
to your point, is that we have got to fix this one-way mirror where everything's pointed at us

1205
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:45,349
and there's nothing pointed at them.

1206
01:08:45,729 --> 01:08:47,489
Again, and when you see these laws

1207
01:08:47,489 --> 01:08:51,209
that are so obviously disparaging

1208
01:08:51,209 --> 01:08:52,429
towards everyday people

1209
01:08:52,429 --> 01:08:54,489
and protective of the elites

1210
01:08:54,489 --> 01:08:55,689
and the expert class

1211
01:08:55,689 --> 01:08:56,729
and the political class,

1212
01:08:57,049 --> 01:08:58,629
again, that's why more people

1213
01:08:58,629 --> 01:09:00,849
gravitate towards socialism and drift.

1214
01:09:02,409 --> 01:09:05,769
So what you're saying about AI in Congress,

1215
01:09:05,969 --> 01:09:07,149
I was trying to find the quote,

1216
01:09:07,529 --> 01:09:10,309
but ah, damn it.

1217
01:09:10,589 --> 01:09:12,149
So Terminator, okay?

1218
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:12,949
Yeah.

1219
01:09:12,949 --> 01:09:38,529
All right. So the director of Terminator, the first one, well, he was all of them. So I don't know why I said that. But anyway, he was referencing the first Terminator when it came out. I think it was 1984. And he said, we're talking about AI and where it's going. Because we even have open AI. I think it was open AI that said, oh, we're going to hold off on our full release or whatever it is because there was some dangers. Like there's something that isn't right.

1220
01:09:38,529 --> 01:09:40,909
and we're talking about how you'd rather have AI

1221
01:09:40,909 --> 01:09:42,009
take care of Congress.

1222
01:09:42,649 --> 01:09:44,789
Yeah, until it becomes Skynet and then

1223
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:46,869
whatever. And so

1224
01:09:46,869 --> 01:09:49,049
they were saying, the director was saying,

1225
01:09:49,209 --> 01:09:50,049
hey, it's a joke.

1226
01:09:50,469 --> 01:09:52,689
I know. He goes, I warned you all.

1227
01:09:53,509 --> 01:09:55,089
1984, I warned you.

1228
01:09:56,189 --> 01:09:57,029
Well, then you look at

1229
01:09:57,029 --> 01:09:59,089
George Orwell who warned us in 1948.

1230
01:09:59,669 --> 01:10:00,669
Yes, yes.

1231
01:10:01,629 --> 01:10:03,149
There's that too, which

1232
01:10:03,149 --> 01:10:05,129
that seems to be playing out in the UK right now

1233
01:10:05,129 --> 01:10:06,329
before our eyes, which is crazy.

1234
01:10:06,329 --> 01:10:09,709
so let's talk AI sir

1235
01:10:09,709 --> 01:10:11,689
let's talk AI all the chatter

1236
01:10:11,689 --> 01:10:13,229
narratives everything's going on

1237
01:10:13,229 --> 01:10:16,029
just give us your opinion on is it good

1238
01:10:16,029 --> 01:10:17,989
is it bad because AI literally should

1239
01:10:17,989 --> 01:10:19,429
just be a tool but we also have

1240
01:10:19,429 --> 01:10:21,189
the dangers of it being

1241
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:23,749
I don't know self aware possibly or

1242
01:10:23,749 --> 01:10:25,849
evolving to a level to where we can't stay ahead of it

1243
01:10:25,849 --> 01:10:27,929
and keep up and keep those

1244
01:10:27,929 --> 01:10:29,229
safeguards and controls on it

1245
01:10:29,229 --> 01:10:31,669
there's been already examples

1246
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:33,989
of where AI programs

1247
01:10:33,989 --> 01:10:35,729
have broken their own safeguards

1248
01:10:35,729 --> 01:10:38,369
and then locked out their own programmers

1249
01:10:38,369 --> 01:10:41,549
and people writing the scripts out

1250
01:10:41,549 --> 01:10:43,789
from even manipulating the AI itself.

1251
01:10:44,869 --> 01:10:46,889
So where are we at, man?

1252
01:10:47,049 --> 01:10:48,029
And then, hold on.

1253
01:10:48,089 --> 01:10:50,169
And then we also have to consider the data center.

1254
01:10:50,269 --> 01:10:52,049
So I'm going to let you take this however you want.

1255
01:10:52,049 --> 01:10:53,489
Because there's a few things there.

1256
01:10:54,669 --> 01:10:57,749
Yeah, well, this is kind of how a lot of this started.

1257
01:10:58,709 --> 01:11:01,009
The first book I wrote was called The Price of Progress.

1258
01:11:01,349 --> 01:11:02,529
And it's about data centers.

1259
01:11:03,229 --> 01:11:04,889
And the first thing I should say is that

1260
01:11:04,889 --> 01:11:07,249
we have to separate the conversation.

1261
01:11:08,009 --> 01:11:09,949
You know, every media headline

1262
01:11:09,949 --> 01:11:12,029
is running the data center opposition

1263
01:11:12,029 --> 01:11:15,109
as an opposition for AI and technology.

1264
01:11:15,389 --> 01:11:16,409
That is not the case.

1265
01:11:16,929 --> 01:11:18,669
Adoption rates are through the roof.

1266
01:11:19,149 --> 01:11:20,509
People are using it for health.

1267
01:11:20,669 --> 01:11:23,229
People are using it to better themselves,

1268
01:11:23,349 --> 01:11:24,149
their finances.

1269
01:11:24,509 --> 01:11:27,089
So I believe that it's a great tool.

1270
01:11:27,469 --> 01:11:41,601
And I think that Americans are early adopters They love innovation and they love technology I mean we invented the internet and then we spent 30 years complaining it was too slow So I think that AI is something that Americans are okay with

1271
01:11:42,041 --> 01:11:43,901
I really dispel the notion

1272
01:11:43,901 --> 01:11:46,381
that the data center backlash has to do with AI.

1273
01:11:46,481 --> 01:11:48,061
Because if you look at the data center backlash,

1274
01:11:48,541 --> 01:11:49,541
a lot of these data centers

1275
01:11:49,541 --> 01:11:51,981
are actually mining centers for crypto.

1276
01:11:52,661 --> 01:11:55,121
People don't really care what's happening in the building.

1277
01:11:55,121 --> 01:12:06,881
They just don't want a gas-powered power plant in their skids elementary school to support this thing.

1278
01:12:07,041 --> 01:12:08,861
So we've got to separate the two things.

1279
01:12:08,941 --> 01:12:15,101
The data center is about the cost, the utility burden, the water, the land, all of that.

1280
01:12:15,561 --> 01:12:23,561
And then you've got AI and the story like you talked about where it's going rogue and it's writing songs about your dead aunt on its own

1281
01:12:23,561 --> 01:12:26,501
and all these kind of crazy stories that we have.

1282
01:12:26,581 --> 01:12:27,781
So we have two things happening.

1283
01:12:28,161 --> 01:12:30,601
The data center thing is the best news

1284
01:12:30,601 --> 01:12:33,061
and the most exciting thing for me in the world.

1285
01:12:33,221 --> 01:12:36,521
I believe that data centers and flock cameras

1286
01:12:36,521 --> 01:12:39,461
are going to unite America through all this Jersey politics

1287
01:12:39,461 --> 01:12:42,881
because we're already seeing a huge group of people.

1288
01:12:43,361 --> 01:12:46,381
And this is people rejecting big corporations saying,

1289
01:12:46,481 --> 01:12:48,661
we're going to circumvent your democratic process

1290
01:12:48,661 --> 01:12:50,841
and we're just going to go ahead and build this thing anyways

1291
01:12:50,841 --> 01:12:51,981
because we have to beat China.

1292
01:12:52,621 --> 01:12:53,721
And it's like, no.

1293
01:12:54,201 --> 01:12:57,121
And Americans are saying, no, that's not going to happen.

1294
01:12:57,221 --> 01:12:59,141
And it's not in my backyardism either.

1295
01:12:59,361 --> 01:13:03,121
It's if you're going to do this, you're not getting tax abatements away from our schools.

1296
01:13:03,121 --> 01:13:04,101
You're not getting this.

1297
01:13:04,361 --> 01:13:06,281
And so that is something that's happening.

1298
01:13:06,361 --> 01:13:07,141
It's happening now.

1299
01:13:07,141 --> 01:13:08,341
And I just read a study.

1300
01:13:08,461 --> 01:13:15,621
Over 50% of the people who are in data center groups are using AI to build their arguments to block the data center.

1301
01:13:16,541 --> 01:13:16,761
Okay?

1302
01:13:16,961 --> 01:13:19,301
So there's not a problem with AI.

1303
01:13:19,301 --> 01:13:28,701
There's a problem with corporations in a hurry going to these rural areas that have, by the way, the thinnest newspaper and the part-time county commissioners.

1304
01:13:28,761 --> 01:13:32,461
It's just a path of least resistance and putting these things up.

1305
01:13:32,881 --> 01:13:37,121
And the market is responding beautifully, which is another reason why I think it's great news.

1306
01:13:38,141 --> 01:13:43,301
For the first few years of these things, they told us there's no way they can go in towers in downtown.

1307
01:13:43,301 --> 01:13:48,721
And I live right outside of Portland, and we're like 75% vacant in downtown Portland.

1308
01:13:48,721 --> 01:13:54,221
And now all of a sudden, they're realizing that the original power and water limitations,

1309
01:13:54,741 --> 01:13:57,281
those were all codes that were written in the 70s.

1310
01:13:57,381 --> 01:14:02,721
And now that we have all of this Energy Star ACs and things that use way less,

1311
01:14:03,101 --> 01:14:06,441
there's actually an abundant amount of water and power in these towers.

1312
01:14:06,621 --> 01:14:11,641
And now data centers are starting to go up in these vacant towers instead of rural areas because of the rural pushback.

1313
01:14:12,021 --> 01:14:13,521
So the market is responding.

1314
01:14:13,941 --> 01:14:15,661
The democratic process is working.

1315
01:14:16,101 --> 01:14:17,621
And I absolutely love it.

1316
01:14:17,621 --> 01:14:23,421
And I absolutely reject the idea it's because Americans are anti-technology or anti-AI.

1317
01:14:24,161 --> 01:14:30,181
On the flip side, there is a lot of angst and worry about AI because our leaders aren't doing

1318
01:14:30,181 --> 01:14:35,121
anything. I mean, when they released the internet in 1996, Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton came

1319
01:14:35,121 --> 01:14:40,201
together and they wrote the initial framework for American internet. They didn't know what it was

1320
01:14:40,201 --> 01:14:44,641
going to be. No one knows what AI is going to be, but there was guardrails around pornography.

1321
01:14:44,641 --> 01:14:47,321
There was guardrails around misinformation and citation.

1322
01:14:47,961 --> 01:14:57,101
All of those things, child abuse, copyright, the models taking over, those are things where

1323
01:14:57,101 --> 01:14:57,521
we do.

1324
01:14:57,621 --> 01:15:02,721
We need some just very basic common sense guardrails from our leaders to fill those gaps.

1325
01:15:03,281 --> 01:15:07,661
But what you have now that you didn't have during the internet is billions of dollars

1326
01:15:07,661 --> 01:15:12,941
in lobbying funds that it actually is an incentive for the Congress and the president

1327
01:15:12,941 --> 01:15:17,301
to not pass anything because they're just going to keep getting more and more election dollars

1328
01:15:17,301 --> 01:15:22,221
and lobbying dollars from these big companies. While the American people are saying, give us

1329
01:15:22,221 --> 01:15:27,701
some guardrails, just give us some basic operating principles so we have some idea of maybe where we

1330
01:15:27,701 --> 01:15:32,601
think this thing is going and how it can benefit us. And so we know it's not going to come and

1331
01:15:32,601 --> 01:15:38,221
destroy the world as we know it. So you've got a refusal of action combined with

1332
01:15:38,221 --> 01:15:42,101
with circumventing the democratic process

1333
01:15:42,101 --> 01:15:45,341
and together it's making a mess.

1334
01:15:46,001 --> 01:15:47,641
But if we separate those two,

1335
01:15:48,521 --> 01:15:49,641
it's really a matter of

1336
01:15:49,641 --> 01:15:51,181
follow the democratic process

1337
01:15:51,181 --> 01:15:52,381
on the data center side.

1338
01:15:53,121 --> 01:15:55,581
These companies, we say FAFO,

1339
01:15:55,821 --> 01:15:56,681
they really effed around

1340
01:15:56,681 --> 01:15:58,001
and found out what happens

1341
01:15:58,001 --> 01:16:01,801
because now they're $320 billion in delays.

1342
01:16:02,101 --> 01:16:03,681
But on the AI side,

1343
01:16:03,761 --> 01:16:05,001
we need basic guardrails

1344
01:16:05,001 --> 01:16:06,281
on the software,

1345
01:16:06,281 --> 01:16:07,521
how the software is going to be.

1346
01:16:07,521 --> 01:16:15,181
And the leaderships are living large on all this tech dollars that are suddenly flooding through DC to keep these processes from happening.

1347
01:16:15,301 --> 01:16:16,921
But we already see the writing on the wall.

1348
01:16:17,461 --> 01:16:23,861
Now what's going to happen is all these independent tax offices around the country are going to write their own levies, their own registration fees.

1349
01:16:24,021 --> 01:16:27,521
So we're going to have different taxes for different subscription levels.

1350
01:16:27,781 --> 01:16:31,021
It's going to be a big mess if they don't step up and produce something.

1351
01:16:31,361 --> 01:16:34,061
And I think that's where most of the angst and the worry is coming from.

1352
01:16:34,061 --> 01:16:38,021
AI is a funny thing because you're right.

1353
01:16:38,661 --> 01:16:41,481
But like I just pointed out earlier,

1354
01:16:42,121 --> 01:16:45,101
how are you going to put guardrails on AI

1355
01:16:45,101 --> 01:16:50,001
when in itself, AI itself is trying to circumvent those guardrails?

1356
01:16:50,001 --> 01:16:53,201
And in many cases, it has already, which is crazy.

1357
01:16:53,421 --> 01:16:57,421
And it's really important that we separate the types that we're talking about.

1358
01:16:57,581 --> 01:17:00,841
So the AI that we're experiencing right now is what they call LLMs.

1359
01:17:00,961 --> 01:17:02,341
They're large language models,

1360
01:17:02,341 --> 01:17:04,661
which basically means that whatever's out there,

1361
01:17:04,781 --> 01:17:06,661
everything that's happening with AI right now

1362
01:17:06,661 --> 01:17:08,661
is always going to be downstream of a human.

1363
01:17:09,521 --> 01:17:11,921
Now, when we talk about machine learning

1364
01:17:11,921 --> 01:17:15,001
and automating decision-making from a computer,

1365
01:17:15,261 --> 01:17:17,721
that is where I draw the line.

1366
01:17:18,101 --> 01:17:18,221
True.

1367
01:17:18,501 --> 01:17:21,441
This machinery always has to be downstream from a human.

1368
01:17:21,781 --> 01:17:22,481
Yeah, I agree.

1369
01:17:22,621 --> 01:17:24,201
But here's the thing with LLM.

1370
01:17:24,581 --> 01:17:27,521
Okay, yes, it's nothing more than an aggregator at this point.

1371
01:17:28,161 --> 01:17:30,381
But the machine learning,

1372
01:17:30,381 --> 01:17:32,161
when you're talking about the other part of AI,

1373
01:17:32,341 --> 01:17:42,961
When it is able to get out to the rest of the world via the internet, like actually get access, what's going to stop it from trying to rewrite these LLMs to work for them?

1374
01:17:44,281 --> 01:17:44,761
Yeah.

1375
01:17:45,101 --> 01:17:46,021
We don't know.

1376
01:17:46,481 --> 01:17:48,101
And so I agree with you.

1377
01:17:48,121 --> 01:17:50,261
I'm just throwing out these what ifs.

1378
01:17:50,461 --> 01:17:53,221
I'm not trying to fight, John, because I do agree with what you're saying.

1379
01:17:53,341 --> 01:18:00,281
But at the same time, it's like we're dealing with something that we're trying to play God to a degree.

1380
01:18:00,281 --> 01:18:03,061
we're inventing something that may be our own downfall.

1381
01:18:03,321 --> 01:18:04,221
Could be. I don't know.

1382
01:18:04,461 --> 01:18:04,941
Could be.

1383
01:18:05,141 --> 01:18:08,401
But when you're trying to implement something that,

1384
01:18:08,721 --> 01:18:10,161
like you said, there's different versions of AI.

1385
01:18:10,401 --> 01:18:12,741
We have the aggregator that we all use

1386
01:18:12,741 --> 01:18:13,821
where we ask Google,

1387
01:18:14,281 --> 01:18:18,381
hey, how much water do I put to a cup of rice, for example?

1388
01:18:18,521 --> 01:18:19,201
Oh, I'll find that.

1389
01:18:19,301 --> 01:18:20,901
And then it'll give you every other example

1390
01:18:20,901 --> 01:18:21,721
and recipe and whatever.

1391
01:18:21,861 --> 01:18:23,781
That's a simple example, but still, you get it.

1392
01:18:24,081 --> 01:18:24,201
Right?

1393
01:18:24,521 --> 01:18:26,181
And then we have the machine learning.

1394
01:18:26,501 --> 01:18:28,781
Then we have the implementation weapon systems.

1395
01:18:28,781 --> 01:18:36,281
Then we have how they're trying to develop AI to become, I don't know, something they can use to fight wars with rather than humans.

1396
01:18:36,921 --> 01:18:37,421
Oh, okay.

1397
01:18:37,521 --> 01:18:38,441
So Skynet is real.

1398
01:18:38,561 --> 01:18:39,301
So they are doing this.

1399
01:18:39,441 --> 01:18:41,341
China's already implementing this into their military.

1400
01:18:41,561 --> 01:18:43,121
They literally are already doing this.

1401
01:18:43,181 --> 01:18:43,941
They've already announced it.

1402
01:18:44,181 --> 01:18:45,041
It's happening.

1403
01:18:45,541 --> 01:18:51,781
So when this gets access to the World Wide Web, it gets out there.

1404
01:18:52,101 --> 01:18:55,341
Again, what's going to stop it from manipulating the LLMs?

1405
01:18:55,341 --> 01:19:00,801
What's going to stop us from manipulating everything else that's considered dumb and rewriting those programs to benefit it?

1406
01:19:01,221 --> 01:19:04,321
So how are we going to keep these guardrails in place is going to be the question.

1407
01:19:04,501 --> 01:19:04,981
Do we need them?

1408
01:19:05,041 --> 01:19:06,181
But how are they going to be implemented?

1409
01:19:06,361 --> 01:19:07,921
And that's what I think what people are wondering.

1410
01:19:08,561 --> 01:19:10,841
Data centers, I think are spot on.

1411
01:19:10,901 --> 01:19:11,881
I think it's a resource issue.

1412
01:19:12,001 --> 01:19:15,461
I think it's an issue of I don't want my water to be tainted.

1413
01:19:15,661 --> 01:19:17,421
I don't want the grid to be stressed.

1414
01:19:18,001 --> 01:19:20,201
And honestly, I don't want to lose community.

1415
01:19:20,381 --> 01:19:23,361
I don't need to see every inch of America urbanized for data centers.

1416
01:19:23,361 --> 01:19:25,381
I still want grass and trees, for example.

1417
01:19:25,541 --> 01:19:32,781
I don't want the government to appropriate land because they say we need a data center all of a sudden right in front of my window because that's the only place I can put it.

1418
01:19:33,501 --> 01:19:35,381
But there's also solutions, I think.

1419
01:19:35,801 --> 01:19:38,961
So if we're talking about data centers, we're talking about taxing the grid.

1420
01:19:39,081 --> 01:19:46,821
Like Microsoft just recently signed a long-term deal with PG&E over in Texas to offset some of that power by going direct to the source.

1421
01:19:47,741 --> 01:19:49,621
And then I had another guest that brought this up.

1422
01:19:49,621 --> 01:19:54,341
What about nuclear substations or mini nuclear reactors?

1423
01:19:55,361 --> 01:19:58,821
The junk science around nuclear has been awful.

1424
01:19:59,221 --> 01:20:00,801
I talk about it in The Cost of Certainty.

1425
01:20:00,981 --> 01:20:04,161
All the junk science, we were so certain that nuclear was the devil

1426
01:20:04,161 --> 01:20:06,261
because of Chernobyl or whatever,

1427
01:20:06,701 --> 01:20:10,541
that we have lost years of potential clean power.

1428
01:20:11,681 --> 01:20:14,361
And we wouldn't even be talking about a grid strain

1429
01:20:14,361 --> 01:20:19,581
if we handled nuclear appropriately all the way from the 1950s.

1430
01:20:20,421 --> 01:20:20,621
Yeah.

1431
01:20:20,821 --> 01:20:22,781
I mean, to your point, Peter Thiel right now,

1432
01:20:22,861 --> 01:20:25,561
he just did a $150 million round

1433
01:20:25,561 --> 01:20:27,101
for a company based here in Portland

1434
01:20:27,101 --> 01:20:30,021
called Pananthasala, some long name.

1435
01:20:30,541 --> 01:20:31,681
They're doing data centers

1436
01:20:31,681 --> 01:20:32,961
in the middle of the North Pacific.

1437
01:20:33,541 --> 01:20:35,101
They're about the size of a football field.

1438
01:20:35,201 --> 01:20:37,521
All the chips are in with a ball and chain.

1439
01:20:38,061 --> 01:20:40,441
And the power is made from harnessing the energy

1440
01:20:40,441 --> 01:20:42,441
from the ball going up and down on the waves.

1441
01:20:43,381 --> 01:20:46,281
And then the water underneath cools the chips.

1442
01:20:46,521 --> 01:20:48,901
That is the market responding to the pushback

1443
01:20:48,901 --> 01:20:54,841
we're talking about. I think Elon's talking about putting one in space. So yeah, it is a resource

1444
01:20:54,841 --> 01:20:59,681
issue. And we know how to build things right in this country. I think we're being presented with

1445
01:20:59,681 --> 01:21:04,521
a false choice. It's either build, give them all the corner cutting, give them all the power,

1446
01:21:04,621 --> 01:21:10,741
all the resources and lose to China or stop. And that's not it. It's no, I don't think anyone's

1447
01:21:10,741 --> 01:21:23,814
anti I think everyone just wants to make sure that we do it responsibly It not about what we do It about how we do it I think the argument though about the race to win against China is absolutely real Actually I not going to say I think I

1448
01:21:23,814 --> 01:21:31,234
know it is. I know we're in a race. But what you just said about the market responding,

1449
01:21:31,654 --> 01:21:35,494
I mean, is absolutely true. I mean, we're talking about cooling systems. If we had to,

1450
01:21:35,634 --> 01:21:40,434
why aren't we using desalination plants? Or what about the closed cooling systems we have,

1451
01:21:40,434 --> 01:21:42,914
for example, if we're just talking about NVIDIA,

1452
01:21:42,974 --> 01:21:44,094
who's really big into this,

1453
01:21:44,214 --> 01:21:45,734
and their stocks just keep going up

1454
01:21:45,734 --> 01:21:47,154
because of developing all these processing units

1455
01:21:47,154 --> 01:21:48,494
for GPUs and whatnot for it,

1456
01:21:49,314 --> 01:21:50,674
every GPU you get in your computer

1457
01:21:50,674 --> 01:21:52,814
has a closed cooling system.

1458
01:21:53,054 --> 01:21:54,514
It doesn't necessarily need fresh water

1459
01:21:54,514 --> 01:21:55,414
pumped through it all.

1460
01:21:55,474 --> 01:21:57,414
I don't have a damn hose hooked to my computer right now

1461
01:21:57,414 --> 01:21:57,794
or my PC.

1462
01:21:58,414 --> 01:22:01,554
So I think there's ways to make this happen.

1463
01:22:01,654 --> 01:22:03,174
I'm not smart enough to give the solution

1464
01:22:03,174 --> 01:22:03,974
because that's not what I do,

1465
01:22:04,074 --> 01:22:06,934
but I've seen evidence of systems in place

1466
01:22:06,934 --> 01:22:08,014
designed by smart people

1467
01:22:08,014 --> 01:22:10,894
that don't necessarily have to tax resources.

1468
01:22:11,774 --> 01:22:13,474
So it seems like this has become,

1469
01:22:13,814 --> 01:22:15,194
I think what you said earlier

1470
01:22:15,194 --> 01:22:15,954
when we're talking about politics

1471
01:22:15,954 --> 01:22:18,374
has become nothing but podium politics.

1472
01:22:18,374 --> 01:22:19,814
It's become a talking point

1473
01:22:19,814 --> 01:22:21,894
to keep people off balance

1474
01:22:21,894 --> 01:22:24,454
and to keep them fighting with each other.

1475
01:22:24,914 --> 01:22:25,794
It's like a sleight of hand

1476
01:22:25,794 --> 01:22:27,434
because there's something else going on

1477
01:22:27,434 --> 01:22:28,174
that we're not seeing.

1478
01:22:28,314 --> 01:22:29,114
There has to be.

1479
01:22:29,114 --> 01:22:31,154
Look at the direction

1480
01:22:31,154 --> 01:22:35,174
that all the anti-AI stuff is coming from.

1481
01:22:35,254 --> 01:22:36,874
It's coming from three main industries.

1482
01:22:36,874 --> 01:22:40,434
and the only thing they are, it's equalizing gatekeepers.

1483
01:22:40,674 --> 01:22:43,974
That's why, so politicians are the loudest anti-AI voices.

1484
01:22:43,974 --> 01:22:45,074
That's a gatekeeper.

1485
01:22:45,494 --> 01:22:49,034
Hollywood and entertainment, they sell a gatekeeping product.

1486
01:22:49,154 --> 01:22:49,574
That's it.

1487
01:22:49,794 --> 01:22:50,914
And news and journalism.

1488
01:22:51,494 --> 01:22:55,414
And those three industries, it's within their incentive

1489
01:22:55,414 --> 01:22:58,514
to slow the adoption rate because it's exposing

1490
01:22:58,514 --> 01:23:01,194
what they're really selling, which is access.

1491
01:23:01,854 --> 01:23:04,974
And you don't need to sell that when you have technology.

1492
01:23:04,974 --> 01:23:06,794
Technology always equalizes.

1493
01:23:06,874 --> 01:23:12,714
It's like we all operated under the assumption that taxi cabs were in the transportation business.

1494
01:23:12,714 --> 01:23:16,074
Turns out when Uber came out, they were actually in the medallion business.

1495
01:23:16,274 --> 01:23:19,034
They were in the tin business, the metal business.

1496
01:23:19,274 --> 01:23:29,394
So again, it's exposing these gatekeeper industries and gatekeeper classes, Hollywood, DC, politics, and news and journalism media.

1497
01:23:29,994 --> 01:23:35,514
And I think that's when you notice that it all comes from the same direction, it really makes you wonder.

1498
01:23:35,514 --> 01:23:39,374
because if you look at the people who should have the most fear

1499
01:23:39,374 --> 01:23:41,654
about AI coming for their jobs, right?

1500
01:23:41,734 --> 01:23:44,034
I just asked this question the other day.

1501
01:23:44,594 --> 01:23:45,894
Should be software developers

1502
01:23:45,894 --> 01:23:49,614
because this stuff is coding better than anything, right?

1503
01:23:49,674 --> 01:23:50,074
Supposedly.

1504
01:23:51,214 --> 01:23:54,274
And they're adopting it at like 85%, 87%.

1505
01:23:54,274 --> 01:23:56,094
They're not anxious about it.

1506
01:23:56,114 --> 01:23:59,114
And they're saying that they use it to trust but verify.

1507
01:23:59,114 --> 01:24:01,614
Like it comes out and it's almost right

1508
01:24:01,614 --> 01:24:03,434
and then they have to clean it up at the end

1509
01:24:03,434 --> 01:24:06,034
and they're able to do way more for way less.

1510
01:24:06,554 --> 01:24:09,074
So the industries that have never really had a gatekeeper

1511
01:24:09,074 --> 01:24:10,014
are adopting it.

1512
01:24:10,114 --> 01:24:11,654
They're doing just fine with it.

1513
01:24:11,954 --> 01:24:14,274
But the fear is always coming from people

1514
01:24:14,274 --> 01:24:16,194
who sell access, talent,

1515
01:24:16,414 --> 01:24:18,914
or something that's not the actual product

1516
01:24:18,914 --> 01:24:20,014
that they have to gatekeep.

1517
01:24:20,614 --> 01:24:22,114
Yeah, I think it's really...

1518
01:24:23,154 --> 01:24:24,254
I'm going to take a step further.

1519
01:24:24,394 --> 01:24:25,614
I think it's just making sure

1520
01:24:25,614 --> 01:24:27,854
they're staying ahead of the control of information.

1521
01:24:28,674 --> 01:24:30,134
Because the same thing happened

1522
01:24:30,134 --> 01:24:31,954
when the printing press was invented.

1523
01:24:31,954 --> 01:24:37,934
they were scared to death because now everyone can print books at mass scale we don't have to

1524
01:24:37,934 --> 01:24:44,614
rely on some trained scribe who can translate for you and print it exactly how it needs to be printed

1525
01:24:44,614 --> 01:24:50,494
with oversight right so right maybe we're we're seeing our own version of the printing press

1526
01:24:50,494 --> 01:24:55,614
in our in real time here i don't know maybe maybe that may be oversimplifying it but could be you

1527
01:24:55,614 --> 01:25:01,554
know i i agree i mean i i use the example all the time it's like when i first started doing this i'd

1528
01:25:01,554 --> 01:25:05,154
get interview requests. And I would prepare. If I was going to come on and do your show,

1529
01:25:05,254 --> 01:25:09,914
it would take me two days. I mean, I would watch all your five episodes. I would take my notes.

1530
01:25:09,914 --> 01:25:16,234
I'd try to go deep into all of that. Now, I've chatted GPT into my email. And when my publicist

1531
01:25:16,234 --> 01:25:21,674
books me, I get a notification with two pages already written about who you are,

1532
01:25:22,114 --> 01:25:26,074
your last five episodes, who your last guests were, the questions that you asked.

1533
01:25:26,074 --> 01:25:31,074
And that isn't me bragging that I have this system.

1534
01:25:31,214 --> 01:25:33,714
It's, wow, now I have eight or nine more hours

1535
01:25:33,714 --> 01:25:35,734
that I can make more content to help learn

1536
01:25:35,734 --> 01:25:37,194
and write more books and do.

1537
01:25:37,534 --> 01:25:41,794
So there is a great value to it.

1538
01:25:42,514 --> 01:25:45,494
But again, it's understanding and using the tool

1539
01:25:45,494 --> 01:25:47,574
to help you instead of hurt you.

1540
01:25:48,154 --> 01:25:48,254
Yeah.

1541
01:25:48,534 --> 01:25:50,134
No, it's definitely a valuable tool.

1542
01:25:50,254 --> 01:25:51,734
I mean, look, we all use it.

1543
01:25:51,754 --> 01:25:52,094
I'm guilty.

1544
01:25:52,214 --> 01:25:52,774
I use it.

1545
01:25:53,314 --> 01:25:54,114
Yeah, yeah, we all do.

1546
01:25:54,114 --> 01:26:02,794
I mean, I start every single episode with my news and my thesis, and I go to Claude and I pay for the highest expensive collegiate level research of Claude.

1547
01:26:03,054 --> 01:26:04,834
And I say, prove me wrong.

1548
01:26:05,314 --> 01:26:06,134
That's my prompt.

1549
01:26:06,554 --> 01:26:08,774
And it gives me all the leftist talking points.

1550
01:26:08,874 --> 01:26:13,054
It gives me all the issues that would break my argument.

1551
01:26:13,214 --> 01:26:18,934
And then I have to fight with it for sometimes three, four hours to get my thesis battle tested.

1552
01:26:18,934 --> 01:26:25,654
So there's a benefit, okay, in the podcast world, the way you're using it, the way everyone uses it.

1553
01:26:25,774 --> 01:26:29,054
I mean, we could summarize everybody and get an idea of what they're about on paper.

1554
01:26:29,654 --> 01:26:31,514
But so far, it's not taking this away.

1555
01:26:32,154 --> 01:26:37,254
And that's what I like about having these conversations because we can go beyond what AI just scrapes from the internet.

1556
01:26:37,534 --> 01:26:44,134
Now you're testing the person, the personality, how quick they could think on their feet and get to know what they're really about.

1557
01:26:44,834 --> 01:26:46,334
And so that's why we need more of this.

1558
01:26:46,334 --> 01:26:49,034
I think we're good for the show, man.

1559
01:26:49,074 --> 01:26:49,834
I don't want to keep it too much longer.

1560
01:26:49,894 --> 01:26:51,814
We've been going about an hour and a half here.

1561
01:26:52,514 --> 01:26:58,754
I want you to tell everybody more about where they can find you, etc.

1562
01:26:58,974 --> 01:27:00,634
I'm going to go ahead and pull your web up here.

1563
01:27:01,414 --> 01:27:03,534
That way we can go ahead and have that discussion.

1564
01:27:04,294 --> 01:27:05,294
And so here's your website.

1565
01:27:06,334 --> 01:27:06,494
Yep.

1566
01:27:06,894 --> 01:27:07,734
ChadParkerLaw.com.

1567
01:27:07,954 --> 01:27:09,154
Everything lives there.

1568
01:27:10,294 --> 01:27:12,334
The signed copies of the book are on there.

1569
01:27:12,374 --> 01:27:15,254
If you want the signed copies, if you want the cheaper one or to do it on Kindle,

1570
01:27:15,254 --> 01:27:18,294
Everything else is on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, wherever you buy books.

1571
01:27:18,954 --> 01:27:21,414
I have the news that goes through there every day.

1572
01:27:21,614 --> 01:27:25,334
News aggregator where I validate all the stories that come through twice a day.

1573
01:27:26,254 --> 01:27:27,934
The video podcast is there.

1574
01:27:28,034 --> 01:27:29,394
I'm on six nights a week.

1575
01:27:29,474 --> 01:27:31,914
Every night at 7 o'clock, I do the show.

1576
01:27:32,134 --> 01:27:35,234
They're pre-recorded, but they post at 7 o'clock.

1577
01:27:35,714 --> 01:27:37,674
And then we're on all the social channels as well.

1578
01:27:38,014 --> 01:27:39,694
So my whole thing...

1579
01:27:39,694 --> 01:27:41,194
What channels is your video podcast on?

1580
01:27:41,974 --> 01:27:43,334
YouTube and Rumble.

1581
01:27:43,714 --> 01:27:44,554
Okay, YouTube and Rumble.

1582
01:27:44,554 --> 01:27:44,994
Okay.

1583
01:27:45,254 --> 01:27:45,654
Yeah.

1584
01:27:46,714 --> 01:27:48,694
And we just got back onto YouTube.

1585
01:27:48,854 --> 01:27:49,994
So it's been very, very exciting.

1586
01:27:50,114 --> 01:27:52,994
I've spent the last six to nine months

1587
01:27:52,994 --> 01:27:57,154
fighting with them over appeals and things like that.

1588
01:27:57,374 --> 01:27:59,434
So yeah, but everything lives on the site

1589
01:27:59,434 --> 01:28:01,634
and feel free to check it out.

1590
01:28:01,834 --> 01:28:03,214
If you're more of a written person,

1591
01:28:03,314 --> 01:28:05,814
my sub stack is extremely popular as well.

1592
01:28:06,314 --> 01:28:07,874
It's just common sense with Chad Law.

1593
01:28:07,974 --> 01:28:09,514
Everything's common sense with Chad Law.

1594
01:28:10,354 --> 01:28:13,874
And everything I do is solutions.

1595
01:28:14,474 --> 01:28:14,634
Yeah.

1596
01:28:14,634 --> 01:28:19,974
podcast. You can listen on Apple, Spotify. And like I said, I never, I try, I always say,

1597
01:28:20,014 --> 01:28:26,134
I try to be the Ted Lasso of conservative media. I always want to end with optimism. I always want

1598
01:28:26,134 --> 01:28:30,794
to remind people that we're all Americans. We've screwed up way worse than this before and fixed

1599
01:28:30,794 --> 01:28:37,054
it. We can do it again. We have the resolve. We have the resources to do it. We're the best

1600
01:28:37,054 --> 01:28:42,654
country in the world and we should just all be very proud to be Americans. And every single book

1601
01:28:42,654 --> 01:28:46,054
is a hybrid workbook and book.

1602
01:28:46,374 --> 01:28:48,434
So like in the Price of Progress, for example,

1603
01:28:48,954 --> 01:28:51,374
you can actually take this to one of your county meetings

1604
01:28:51,374 --> 01:28:54,634
and put in the budget numbers, the tax abatements.

1605
01:28:54,774 --> 01:28:56,014
There's a formula in the back

1606
01:28:56,014 --> 01:28:58,014
and you can follow everything.

1607
01:28:58,454 --> 01:29:02,454
Tells you all the questions to ask the commissioners.

1608
01:29:02,634 --> 01:29:04,194
It gives you tools to determine

1609
01:29:04,194 --> 01:29:05,874
whether they're trying to sell you on something

1610
01:29:05,874 --> 01:29:08,054
or if they're actually really trying to serve the community.

1611
01:29:08,694 --> 01:29:10,594
Everything that I do comes with solutions.

1612
01:29:10,874 --> 01:29:12,574
We don't do any doom and gloom

1613
01:29:12,574 --> 01:29:14,874
and I always try to provide you with,

1614
01:29:14,974 --> 01:29:17,694
even if it's just one additional question you can ask

1615
01:29:17,694 --> 01:29:22,114
to try to feel smarter, happier, and healthier

1616
01:29:22,114 --> 01:29:25,454
instead of living in fear and angst.

1617
01:29:25,594 --> 01:29:26,894
That's my promise to everyone.

1618
01:29:27,034 --> 01:29:29,674
I want you to understand more, laugh more, and fear less.

1619
01:29:31,234 --> 01:29:31,934
All right.

1620
01:29:32,354 --> 01:29:33,434
Anything else you want to add, Chad?

1621
01:29:34,154 --> 01:29:35,674
No, I think that's good.

1622
01:29:35,854 --> 01:29:36,754
This has been such a great show.

1623
01:29:36,774 --> 01:29:37,914
I can't believe we've been talking for an hour.

1624
01:29:38,014 --> 01:29:39,394
I feel like we've just been chatting.

1625
01:29:39,974 --> 01:29:40,334
I know.

1626
01:29:40,334 --> 01:29:42,254
I looked up like, oh.

1627
01:29:42,574 --> 01:29:45,894
I wasn't sure what your actual schedule was,

1628
01:29:45,914 --> 01:29:48,074
so I just want to make sure I'm not overstepping.

1629
01:29:48,254 --> 01:29:50,734
I always offer plenty of padding when I interview

1630
01:29:50,734 --> 01:29:52,834
because I love to have these long-form conversations.

1631
01:29:53,094 --> 01:29:57,594
I really, this conversation right here and like this

1632
01:29:57,594 --> 01:30:00,194
is what's going to change this country.

1633
01:30:00,554 --> 01:30:01,494
Yeah, it's what we need to have.

1634
01:30:01,754 --> 01:30:03,474
Yeah, talk about real things,

1635
01:30:03,574 --> 01:30:04,274
like things that matter,

1636
01:30:04,614 --> 01:30:06,514
coming up with possible solutions, et cetera,

1637
01:30:06,514 --> 01:30:09,174
not just party politics, identity politics,

1638
01:30:09,254 --> 01:30:09,834
any of that BS.

1639
01:30:11,154 --> 01:30:12,534
With that, I think I'm going to end it here.

1640
01:30:12,574 --> 01:30:15,874
I'm going to encourage everybody to check out Chad's podcast.

1641
01:30:16,274 --> 01:30:17,274
Buy his damn books.

1642
01:30:17,334 --> 01:30:17,994
Why don't you, huh?

1643
01:30:18,514 --> 01:30:19,674
Some good stuff in there.

1644
01:30:20,214 --> 01:30:24,554
Also, don't forget to like, subscribe, share this show, turn your notifications, all that jazz.

1645
01:30:24,614 --> 01:30:25,174
You know how it works.

1646
01:30:25,734 --> 01:30:30,434
And with that, I'm going to say goodbye, peace, good day, good night.

1647
01:30:31,074 --> 01:30:31,474
Bye.

1648
01:30:32,314 --> 01:30:32,894
Thank you.

1649
01:30:32,894 --> 01:30:35,494
Devils hide behind redemption.

1650
01:30:35,994 --> 01:30:39,194
Honesty is a one-way gate to hell.

1651
01:30:42,574 --> 01:31:03,814
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