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You are listening to a Fond Media Network production. Hello
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World Blade listeners. On today's episode, I welcome back Curvin Oakwyn,
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host of This Week Explain and owner of oakwn Analytics.
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Curvin gives us his assessment and insight on what's going
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on with the peace negotiations between Trump and Putin and
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what that means for the war in Ukraine. We then
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move our attention on to comments made by jd Vance
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to the EU and how that affects our relationships, as
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well as Trump's statement about America owning Gaza. This is
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a very insightful conversation. Okay, so now we're recording and
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welcome back Curvin.
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He thank you.
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This is our second time starting this according because Riverside
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just didn't like us for some reason. No jab at Riverside,
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but maybe our hardware or mine isn't isn't up to
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up to snuff, I guess, but whatever. Anyway, we're on
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Zoom and you had a lot to say on everything
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that's going on recently, and I needed to hit you
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up on what's happening because we need clarity, right So
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we got we got Trump saying I'm making a deal
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with with Putin and Vladimore's Zelensky or Vladimir is Lynsky
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saying I'm not going to be involved with that, or
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they're not letting him be involved with it, and then
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he doesn't. He's saying that, well, I'm not sure I
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agree to a piece deal. You have Trump saying that
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we're gonna own Gaza and run it whatever that means,
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and I mean what else? Oh and JD. Van's telling
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the EU that they need to step up and basically
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protect themselves and then calls them out on whether or
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not they're democratic enough for their own citizens. So, yeah,
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there's a lot to be said just on that. I'm
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sure they want to start. I'm gonna let you start
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because I know that I know that you have definitely
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insight and opinions as well as data I'm sure just
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off the top of your head to present on all
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of this. Actually, you know, let's do this curve. Let's
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start with let's start with the Ukraine piece deal or
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you know, the alleged piece deal that that's happening. What
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is your overall thoughts on that? You know, it's is Trump?
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Is Trump taking the right approach? And and and also
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you know he's he's a businessman, and he's really big
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on we're giving you X amount of money, So now
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you're going to have to use your mineral rights as
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collateral and give us those rights that we can be
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paid back on everything we invested into Ukraine. What do
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you think?
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Yeah, I think you absolutely said it, Uh correct at
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the very beginning. He's a businessman, he's not a politician,
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and that's why people love him, and that's why people
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hate him. So starting off with the with the Ukraine
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peace deal is the perfect way to do this because
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I think that is what is getting the most to
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play in the media and on social media, and it's
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that first that he admitted he talked to Vladimir Putin,
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and people are getting upset about that. Get I get
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Vladimir Putin as the aggressor in this, but you have
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to talk to both sides. Biden's issue his entire administration
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since the war kicked off in Ukraine or rekicked off
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some would say, in twenty twenty two in February of
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twenty twenty two, is that there was no dialogue with Putin.
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After that there was only dialogue with Selensky. And so
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if you are a mediator and you're only having conversations
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with one side. You're not going to come to a deal.
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So I don't get this uproar about oh you know,
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I mean, I get it. Yes, I do get it.
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Trump's a puppet for Russia and Putin. That's what everybody
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on the left believes, everyone who dislikes and believes he's
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just some Putin puppet. Having worked within the Department of
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Defense in overt Russian anti Russian aggression during the Trump administration,
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I can tell you he's not a puppet for Putin. Yes,
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the things that he says in public are used or
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through the media in open dialogue are usually things that
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are discussed in private. I brought this up with somebody
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recently who was wondering about the Hamas situation and how
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Trump said publicly in an open interview that if Hamas
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doesn't release all of the hostages, not just the three
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hostages agreed upon during the ceasefire, that the ceasefire is
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going to be null and void, and Israel's gonna be
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able to do everything that they want and the purpose.
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Like the person said that, he can't say that, why
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would he do that? And my my response to that was,
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these are the exact conversations that every administration has during
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these situations, but it's done behind closed doors. It's done
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face to face to whoever right. If you're saying it
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to Benjamin Netanyah, who you would say behind closed doors
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to Benjamin Netanyah, Who's face. That's the difference with Trump,
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and the reason he does that is because he understands
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that the only way to hold people accountable is by publicly,
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either publicly shaming them or publicly identifying the left and
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right modes of the deal. And that's what he did
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public Look, Barack Obama would have said the exact same
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thing behind closed doors to who, to the leadership in
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in Hamas, to the leadership of Iran. That's it he
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would have said. And you can love or hate Obama
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for whatever kind of actions he did publicly, he was
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very diplomatic about things. And I can tell you when
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having worked in that administration from a special operations standpoint,
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that behind the scenes was a completely different person. Behind
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the scenes, he would hold people accountable to their face.
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So what we're seeing is somebody who does that in
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a public sphere, and a lot of people around the world.
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Leaders from around the world do not like that. They
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do not like their dirty laundry to be aired out,
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and Trump doesn't care, and that's what he's gonna do.
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I think that's an excellent point because what you said
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about him negotiating and holding people accountable, He's using the
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public to hold world leaders and other leaders, even in
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our own country in America, accountable, and that's never been done.
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I talked about this with my brother on one of
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our shows we do and I'm so glad you're saying it,
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because nobody is saying this. They're not understanding what he's doing.
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I'm not saying he's perfect, believe me. Trump is a
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wild card for sure, but the way he's going about this,
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you got to say or admit it's it's pretty smart
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of him to do because it's getting things done. Mean,
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you know, before, in behind closed doors, most of these
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situations would never we wouldn't see any progress. We just wouldn't.
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And I'm not I can't understand his tactic others other
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than it is all about negotiations. I also can't understand,
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going back to what you said, is as to why
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are people so upset that he's engaging Putin and trying
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to have a conversation to see if we can come
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to a deal, and then Zelensky's going out publicly saying
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I'm not gonna support any piece deal, and I'm trying
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to understand that and why the EU is now hating
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the America for even having Trump even mention Putin's name. Oh,
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he's the enemy. You shouldn't be talking or negotiating with
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him at all. But then all of a sudden they
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backtrack and now they want to negotiate themselves with Putin
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for getting the energy back from Russia because it's it's
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more robust and reliable than whether what they're trying to
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do now. It's like there's there's way too many contradictions
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going on right now with what's happening with Europe, Russia,
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and Ukraine. It's like I'm trying to cut to them
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through the noise. It's like you were talking about social
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media earlier offline before we started recording. It's like, it's
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so hard, it's so hard to vet the information because
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you know, our mainstream media isn't doing a good job
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of it. A lot of people turn to social media
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because a lot of investigative journalists and people on the
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inside are now just using their platforms to get the
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info out, but it is really still really hard to
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cut through the noise.
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I want to go back to why would Selensky say
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the things that he's saying. Why does the EU say
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what they're It's this is all leverage, and that in
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any negotiation, that's what you want. You want to have
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the leverage in the negotiation to get what you want. Now,
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on the EU side, when they talk about you, you
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cannot talk to Putin. You cannot have a conversation with Putin.
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That is more telling about themselves than it is about
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Vladimir Putin. And here's the reason I say that. And
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I say that on a personal level as well, when
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I talk to people who have an emotional response to something,
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and the Stoics say this as well, Your immediate response
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to what somebody tells you says more about yourself than
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it does the person that you're responding to. And I
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think that's what we have with the EU right now,
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the EU or the European Union or Europe as a
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whole to and I'll put Canada in this as well.
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They're getting dragged through the mud, So why don't I
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do that as well? They were lied to by Putin
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for months leading up to the invasion of Ukraine. There
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is that very famous photo of Macron from France on
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the other side of one hundred foot table with Putin,
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and they came away from that, so they had a discussion.
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That was Macron and Putin having a discussion. Macron came
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away from that and said, I have talked to the guy.
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I looked him in the eyes. I trust him. He
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says he's not going to invade. Two weeks later, he
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invades Ukraine. I think some of that is a trust
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issue with Europe because they were wrong. This is the
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whole reason I started my podcast was to call out
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Russia for their aggressive actions on Ukraine because I saw
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the war coming and I was trying to prevent it.
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I was trying to get enough information out there that
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people would listen and maybe prevent this special military operation
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in Ukraine. And it didn't happen because European leaders said
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they thought they were smarter than everybody else. They sat
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in a room with Putin and he liked them. He said,
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I'm not looking to invade Ukraine. I'm just trying to
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stop NATO from further expansion. At that point, NATO had
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no desire to expand Sweden, Finland, Ukraine. Yeah, they talked about,
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oh maybe we would invite them, but none of those
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countries had publicly put up and offered themselves to be
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invited into NATO. And that's how NATO works. If anybody
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is listening, you don't know how NATO works. NATO doesn't
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just pick a country and then vote and say now
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you are officially in NATO and you have you can't
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agree or disagree with that. What happens is a country
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like Sweden and Finland, which we just saw, will ask
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to be invited in to NATO. NATO will have a
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debate about it and say is this country does this
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country spend enough in defense? Are they, you know, not
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corrupt enough to be involved in NATO? And then every
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single country has to approve it. Every single country, one
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percent of the countries have to approve NATO membership. That's
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how it works. NATO doesn't get to just go now
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you're a part of it, because if they could, they
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would have just gone Russia, now you're a part of
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NATO and putin you're out as president. That I do
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believe has some Russians worried because they think that is
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how it works. That's that's not how it works. I
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don't think Ukraine will ever. I'm not going to say
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never because I don't work in absolutes. You know that
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it would take decades to get Ukraine into NATO because
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it's corrupt, Their military spending is not enough, their economy
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isn't stable enough. They just wouldn't be allowed into NATO.
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Well, let's talk about that NATO Peaceful Festival. Okay, Even
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with that being said, because this is a great explanation
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of NATO membership, it's not. It's not just suddenly one
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person goes, hey, we're gonna make this country apart in
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NATO and use it as a weaponization method against another country,
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way to way to defend or weaponize against another country.
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But did you did you feel or did you know
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if Russia was looking at NATO as slowly encroaching closer
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and closer in on their territories. Is that a truth
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or was that just a talking point made up to
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just steer the public towards, you know, whatever support that
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the administration wanted at the time.
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Yeah, look, so I think two things can be true
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at the same time. I do think that Russia as
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a whole is was very or is very nervous about
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NATO encroachment. They saw it in Bosnia whenever they were
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asked to come in and defend with the war between
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the Bossians and the Serbs. I do think that was
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a legitimate fear, And I also think the other thing
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is true that Putin used that fear to invade Ukraine
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under the auspice of him saying, well, we just want
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to protect ourselves and we're going to bring back the
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Russian speaking portions of Ukraine back into Russia where they belong,
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where Ukrainian citizens actually feel more Russian than they do Ukrainian.
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Oh but wait, if that's true, why in the first
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few weeks did you try to take over Kiv and
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install your government into Kiev and they failed miserably? And
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we cannot forget about that, because I do think Putin
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wants He's got the Russian people forgetting about it. But
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I think on the global stage, we can't forget about that.
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He made a move for Kiv. Anyone who tells you
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he had no desire to go to the capital of Ukraine,
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he made a I know personally, I sat into meetings.
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This has got to be declassified now. If it's not,
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come at me, Bro, I can put this stuff out.
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There were three contingency plans that the US already knew
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as the invasion was going to start. These were the
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three opportunities that Putin was going to make to to
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go into Kiev. One was going to use the Nepro River.
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That's what we all thought. The most logical thing to
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do was capture that portion by the Nepro River, go
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from the south to the north into it, and then
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take Kiev at that point. The other option was just
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a land grab and just keep continuing west as you're
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fighting on the ground, from the border from Ukraine and
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Russia's border into Kiev. And then the third one whichever
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I mean even I did at this point reading up
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on it and being in these being in these meetings
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with high ranking officials, saying the third thing he could do,
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and the one that's going to fail, and it would
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be dumb if he did it, is to fly from
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Belarus through military avenues into Kiev and try to take
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over the capital of Kiev. And the way to do
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that is you have to do just like the US
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did with Iraq, as we're moving in to Baghdad, US
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troops take over at Baghdad International Airport. They courted off
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the airport to allow military flights into the airport, and
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then you've kind of taken over the capital at that point.
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That's what Putin tried to do. I think he saw
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what the US did and how it took weeks instead
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of months to take Baghdad in Iraq, and he said
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that seems like the most viable position for me. It
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was a miscalculation and he failed on that. But I
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said all that just to let everyone know, if you're
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listening to this, that was the intent, and he tried
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to do it, and you can go back and you
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can read anything for Military Strategy and articles from February
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of twenty twenty two and it talks about it. It
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was a complete failure. Putin doesn't want anybody to know
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about that. But right now everybody's just trying to get
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leverage in this and absolutely that's what you're going to
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want to do in a peace deal or any negotiation.
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You want to cease fire negotiation that you know, because
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this war isn't one or loss right now, we're at
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a stalemate. A peace deal signed two day should be
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even for both sides, because that's what we're seeing on
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the ground. That problem is.
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I'm sorry, no forth before you finish your point. I
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think I think that surprised everybody at what surprised the
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world is you Tran's ability to fend Russia off, And
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I think the I think people underestimate how strongly the
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people of that land have that connection to being autonomous
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and independent and wanting to live free within their land.
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We could debate, you know, their politics and whether democratic
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it does, that doesn't matter, but they were steadfast and
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defending themselves and nobody thought that they would they would
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be able to even stand up to big bad Russia,
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this large military that that is seen as such such
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a huge world power, and little old Ukraine is holding
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Putin off. Now it could be argued that Russia is
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not really unleashing their their full abilities and capabilities. You know,
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they're not launching that against Ukraine. But at the same time,
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as far as it comes to the land battle, it's
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really amazing how Ukraine's been able to hold up, which
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is which is nuts. So and you said this is
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a stalemate, because it is right now, it's a stalemate.
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What else were you going to say about that stalemate
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before I cut you off? Oh?
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Yeah, So there's just so much commentary on all of
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this that if you say this is a stalemate, you
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are either so pro Ukraine or so pro Russia. And
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I always try to tell people it's like, no, you
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are the one that's biased towards one side or the other.
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This is legitimately a stalemate. Nothing has moved. The borders
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have not moved since the annexation in September of twenty
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twenty three, I believe was the official annexation of the
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eastern portion of Ukraine as we see it today, as
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the lines are drawn right now. And there's a very
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popular video of the Korean War and it shows you
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how the borders of North and South Korea were created.
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That pretty much was a stalemate war as well, and
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they drew the borders in half between North and South Korea.
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That's what we're seeing right here. The borders now are redrawn. Now.
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The global community doesn't accept how Russia has redrawn those
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I will tell you absolutely Russia redrew those borders, but
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they're there and they have that land right now. There
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is no way that putin in a ceasefire deal or
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a peace deal, will accept anything less than what Russia
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has recently annexed, So you can forget about that eastern portion.
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This is I mean, George, come on, you know me.
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I am a staunch supporter of Ukraine. I really am.
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I don't care what anybody else says. I think what
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Putin did invading Ukraine was wrong. But I'm also pragmatic
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and I'm practical, and I'm logical. You're not going to
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get him to agree to moving those borders back.
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No.
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I think what's really interesting though, is that, hey, here's
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a smart way for Ukraine and Europe to debate the ceasefire.
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Right now, Ukraine holds a portion of Russia and that's
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the curse region they have that they can use that
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as leverage because Ukraine doesn't want to hold cursed I
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guarantee you they don't want it. The people there don't
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want them there. It would just be like you know,
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Iraq for the United States for ten years, it's going
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to be insurgency in fighting.
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And that's something Ukraine can't back in the law.
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No, yeah, absolutely not. But you can use that as
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leverage to say, okay, we will remove our forces from curse.
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We don't want that area, but you have to give
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us something that's comparable. It's a curse. I think Ukraine
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needs to do that.
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What about though, I agree with everything you're saying because
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I see it the same way, even though I don't
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have the insight infol you do, but I see it
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the same way even from the outside looking in. But
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what do you think of of Zelensky's statements about saying
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that he's not going to agree to a peace deal.
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Well, I think we have to take everything that people
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say that world leaders say in public with a grain
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of salt. And what I'm saying here is publicly these
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are the things they have to say. Goes back to leverage.
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You lose your leverage if you go out in front
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of the media and say I've read the peace deal
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and I like this, this and this, and then leave
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it at that. That means your adversaries, who were watching
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that and absolutely watching what you're saying on a day
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to day basis, go, Okay, here are the things that
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we know for fact that they are going to accept,
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so you can check those off. What more do we
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think they are going to be willing to accept? And
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now we can present everything that we know that they
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said publicly that they're willing to accept, plus these other things,
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and when they push back, we go, yeah, but you
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already said you were willing to accept this stuff, So
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we know where you stand. You're going to have to
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come to an agreement. You're gonna have to meet us
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in the middle with all of this. So Zelensky's just being,
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you know, very political and diplomatic about it. Ukraine at
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this point, because we talked about it being a stalemate.
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Ukraine does not have to accept a peace deal. They
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absolutely do not know. They can keep fighting, they can
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keep they can keep throwing bodies at this There's now
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leverage with the Trump administration and with Putin that if
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they don't accept it, that there's possibly something that comes
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out of that where Russia says, okay, well, if you're
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not going to accept it, then just like in Gaza
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with Israel, we're going to go scortch to earth on you.
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And you were very astute in saying that Russia did
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not put they didn't put the full force of the
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Russian military against Ukraine. And I think people need to
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understand this. We laugh at Russia because they can't fend
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off this small, tiny Ukrainian military. But they have not
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put the full force of their military behind it. They
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really haven't. They've really it's been mostly a ground war.
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They have not really used their air force, they have
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not used their naval forces. Yeah. No, and the full
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force of the Russian military would crush Ukraine.
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I think with strategic airstrikes alone, that would decimate most
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of Ukraine's military force.
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Yeah, but it would overplay Putin's hand, I think true.
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Yeah, no disagreement there. It's just crazy how people don't
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see that Russia hasn't gone full on in this. Yeah,
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there's reasons putting the holding back. But I want to
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leave this and go to another subject here in a minute.
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But Okay, the the big, the big question, the big,
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the big question, especially after after Trump's statements after he
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became elected and even currently, is this, if there isn't
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a piece deal, is the US really going to step
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in militarily at this point?
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Uh, that's a very interesting question. I don't want to
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take Trump out of the equation here, because for all
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of the bluff and bluster and oh he's just pro Russia,
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he has stated if Russia doesn't agree to a ceasefire
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or they're not willing to sit come to the table.
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He is going to put troops on the ground in Ukraine,
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So that's all part of it. Do I think US
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troops are going to be on the ground in Ukraine
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fighting side by side with Ukrainians against Russia in this
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particular phase of the conflict. Absolutely not. Are US forces
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in Ukraine helping the Ukrainians in a sort of an
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assist measure? Yes, absolutely, That's the only way you can
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get US munitions into Ukraine is by showing them how
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to use it. What does the US get out of that,
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We get lessons learned from that? We have not. The
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US is not engaged in a peer on peer conflict
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since World War Two. True, we're talking almost so we
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were talking about seventy five years ago. No one living
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right now, no one working in the Department of Defense.
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There might be a couple of people in Congress, but
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no one working in the Department of Defense has ever
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fought in a peer peer conflict in the United States.
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And you know my assessment, in the next two to
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three years, the United States will be engaged in a
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conflict with a peer and we need to figure out
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what that's going to look like and do our munitions,
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do our equipment, does our military understand how to do that?
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And so we get lessons learned from the equipment that
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we give to Ukraine on how that battle will play
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out in a near near in a near peer or
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a peer peer conflicts.
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That's an interesting assessment but makes a lot of sense.
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But even our peers, for example, haven't been in a
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peer to peer conflict.
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Except for Russia. Now, well, okay, so Russia. Russia does
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see this as a peer peer conflict because of the
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munitions that NATO has given Ukraine got it, so.
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In their mind they feel this is yes, okay.
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But you're absolutely right. China is the same. Right, we'll
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talk about The last time we were at war with
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China was the Korean War, So it's a little bit
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after World War Two. The Korean War was fought between
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the communist in China and that northern Korean portion, now
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it was the full Korean Peninsula. Now what we know
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is South Korea. Those forces were battling against China and Communism,
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and so the US stepped in and helped and it
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was kind of a stalemate. Like I talked about that
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border is now drawn fifty to fifty right there, and
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it's that conflict has never ended. There was a ceasefire
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deal and that's still where we stand at this point.
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So that's something also to have in the back of
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your mind when you see these reports of a ceasefire,
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and even when it's agreed to you go, we have
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a peace deal. No, we have a ceasefire. There's a
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big difference. Conflict is still going on. People are still
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on edge. It's a ceasefire the moment. So okay, I'm
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trying not to ramble and go all over the place
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here too much.
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You're not You're not rambling. No, you're not rambling. And
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I think it's important people understand the difference between a
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ceasefire and a piece deal. A ceasefire is just giving
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everybody a chance to back away, reassess things, come to
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the table. It doesn't mean that there's an agreement, right.
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And if people people confuse the two and and try
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to try to say, oh, ceasefire, we've got a piece,
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it's not piece yet.
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We're not there yet. You're not going to hear about
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a bunch of conflict, right. But the if you get
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on the ground in at the border of Russian Ukraine.
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You're gonna feel it, You're gonna know this. This is
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not peace. Everyone is on edge. So what do I
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think a ceasefire should look like if we're really talking
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about a stalemate here? And both sides should be sitting
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at the table. And I think Europe should be at
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the table. It is their continent. They need to be there.
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Trump is there. And I said this on the podcast,
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and Tianna and I both agreed with this just this
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past week, that we get lately the US is getting
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laughed at in certain areas. Right whether you agree, whether
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you're your staunchly right wing or left wing, and you
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say one thing or another, it is an abject reality
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that in some places the US is being laughed at.
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I said, you can't laugh at the US and then
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have them have the United States paying for ninety percent
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of the defense of Europe and negotiating cease fire deals
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all across the world. We're either the laughing stock of
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the world or we are the country that has looked
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the shining light on a hill that Reagan talked about
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that this is what freedom looks like. I think we're
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somewhere in the Middle there. Yeah, there are some things
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that even I laugh at in regards to the United States,
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and there are things that I do know wholeheartedly. The
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US is the shining light on a hill of freedom.
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So what do I think the ceasefire should look like?
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Should it be even for both sides? That's relative. I
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couldn't tell you what is even. Does Russia get those
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annex regions? You have to They're there, they fought it.
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This is a war. I get there. They're the aggressor.
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The problem here is how do we How does the
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international community keep this from happening again? And that's where
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the Minsk two agreement. When so Russia invaded Crimea, they
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took all they took over all of that. They had
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a ceasefire deal. That was Minsk two. There was an
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also Minsk one when Russia did it before, that took
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nukes out. So the Minsk one took nuclear weapons out51300:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.079
of Ukraine. That gave Russian an opportunity without fear of51400:32:14.119 --> 00:32:21.480
retaliation through nuclear weapons, to invade Ukraine for Crimea. Minsk51500:32:21.559 --> 00:32:27.960
two was and this was the Obama administration. Minsk two51600:32:28.839 --> 00:32:34.640
agreed very pro Russia that they get to keep Crimea51700:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.799
and that security guarantees for Ukraine were taken off the table.51800:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.480
This is when the conversation from Ukraine was we really51900:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.519
want to join NATO, we want those security measures in place,52000:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.960
and the international community told them, no, you're corrupt, we52100:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.960
don't really care about CRIMEA. I also think this is52200:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.319
the international community talking. I also think CRIMEO is really52300:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.000
Russian anyway, so we we should have that. Some people52400:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.119
may forget that Obama had a very good relationship with Putin,52500:33:06.559 --> 00:33:11.400
very good relationship with Russia. He basically allowed CRIMEA to happen.52600:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.920
So we want to talk about Trump and Trump being52700:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.720
some Putin puppet. Go back to Obama. This is a52800:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.480
guy that when Mitt Romney was running for president and said,52900:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.319
Russia is one of our biggest adversaries and we need53000:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.680
to push back on what Putin is doing. Obama said,53100:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.480
the eighties are calling. They want their foreign policy back.53200:33:29.519 --> 00:33:33.599
Everybody laughed. We voted for Obama again. Look where we53300:33:33.640 --> 00:33:38.200
are now, between Russian and Ukraine. So what I say53400:33:38.319 --> 00:33:44.000
is offer Ukraine security guarantees this time around. That being okay,53500:33:44.039 --> 00:33:47.319
they can't join NATO, that doesn't mean you can't offer53600:33:47.359 --> 00:33:53.559
them Article five protection. Vladimir Putin if you are very53700:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.160
if you are that nervous about NATO on your doorstep.53800:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.000
First of all, why would you take over Ukraine? Because53900:34:00.599 --> 00:34:05.200
do you know what borders Ukraine Poland? It's a NATO country,54000:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.000
exactly the country I was I talk about in the54100:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.039
Trump administration. I was sent to Poland to do overt54200:34:14.079 --> 00:34:19.079
anti Russian aggression with the Polish military. So if you're54300:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.719
really scared about NATO, why would you push your border54400:34:21.960 --> 00:34:26.199
to NATO. And that's because, in my assessment, he's not54500:34:26.360 --> 00:34:30.480
really worried about NATO. He wants Poland back, and he's54600:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.400
trying to get as close to that border as he54700:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.199
can to make a push for it, and then whenever54800:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.599
he feels like it's the right time, he will go54900:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.360
to war with NATO. That's a future thing that's five55000:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.239
to ten years from now, maybe maybe even even further55100:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.199
than that. But he might not even be alive anymore.55200:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.280
Putin's in his seventies. Who knows how long he's gonna55300:34:53.440 --> 00:34:54.360
he's gonna stay alive.55400:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.000
I think the situation somew what you said, by the way,55500:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.079
you weren't rambling because canna lead into where we're gonna55600:35:01.079 --> 00:35:01.400
go next.55700:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.960
Okay, good, because I don't feel like no.55800:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.000
No, no, no, no, no, no, you're you're kinda you're kind55900:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.559
of saying a few things that I was I was56000:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.559
wanting to touch on. Anyway, I'm going to just kind56100:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.679
of add a little bit more to this. Uh, what's56200:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.440
your statement right now? As far as Russia is concerned.56300:35:16.480 --> 00:35:17.800
I think a lot of this could have been avoided56400:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.119
if if we literally did take Russia serious and try56500:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.320
to bring them into the EU in general years ago.56600:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.280
When Putin was trying to make that move, he wanted,56700:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.960
he wanted to interact with everybo didn't feel as part56800:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.119
of the community, but we kept shutting them down. Yep.56900:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.760
So after you keep telling such a strong, powerful nature57000:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.920
no no, no no all the time, I mean, I57100:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.000
think we kind of got what we got at this point,57200:35:41.360 --> 00:35:46.480
but we can't ignore having having a good relationship with them,57300:35:46.519 --> 00:35:48.800
regardless of if they're corrupt. Because the way I see57400:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.360
it is, Ukraine was considered the most corrupt country in57500:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.840
the world, literally, and everybody forgets that. Nobody wanted to57600:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.679
deal with them, you know, but yet everybody wants to57700:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.480
jump to their aid because oh, look at this small57800:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.920
country and look at big bad Russia. It's like it's57900:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.559
it's just such a bunch of hypocritical bullshit by our58000:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.239
world leaders. This could have been avoided from day one,58100:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.760
and a lot of it starts to me And I58200:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.000
may be wrong because you do this for a living,58300:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.079
but from my perspective, the EU or Europe should have58400:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.440
taken the reins of this situation a long time ago58500:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.880
to maintain these relationships and set the boundaries, and they58600:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.239
just didn't. It's exactly what you said. They seem to58700:36:28.360 --> 00:36:32.079
wash their hands at things until America goes, wait a minute,58800:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.400
we got to start stepping in now, and then all58900:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.920
of a sudden, everybody has a fucking opinion. It's ridiculous.59000:36:37.119 --> 00:36:42.039
Yeah, absolutely, and so I don't see the problem. There's59100:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.079
a lot of uproar now. And there's two sides of this,59200:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.039
but I'll get on the first side of it. That So,59300:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.960
there is a requirement that NATO countries have to spend59400:36:53.000 --> 00:36:58.239
two percent of their GDP on defense spending. Trump wants59500:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.719
to has mentioned not wants to. I got to keep59600:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.519
going back to Trump purpolely. He has mentioned telling Europe59700:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.159
you need to ratchet that up to five percent. Well,59800:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.519
the US doesn't even do five percent. GDP towards defense spending,59900:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.880
it's four point two. Now I think no, But I do.60000:37:16.760 --> 00:37:18.559
Have a graph here because I was going to go60100:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.639
into this. Yes, finish your statement. Fin stand first.60200:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.800
I'm glad you have a graph of this so we60300:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.000
can go through it, because I don't see the problem60400:37:27.039 --> 00:37:32.679
with even five percent spending of GDP onto defense spending.60500:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.639
If you think that the country on your continent, Russia60600:37:36.960 --> 00:37:41.719
Belarus is an existential threat to the country, to all60700:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.519
of the other countries on the continent. If you really60800:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.960
believe that, why would you spend less of your GDP60900:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.960
on defense spending and then get mad at people who61000:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.239
tell you need to spend more. Jd Vance, Pete Hexath,61100:37:56.280 --> 00:37:59.280
who's the Secretary of Defense, I should say sect def61200:38:00.639 --> 00:38:05.679
or defend. Secretary hexxth and Donald Trump have all mentioned61300:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.280
that this war is on the European continent and that61400:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.559
Europe needs to defend its own borders and stop relying61500:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.079
on the United States. I don't care where you stand.61600:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.920
That is an ab That is just the truth. It61700:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.880
is a factual statement. If Mexico invaded the United States61800:38:26.199 --> 00:38:30.000
and the United States asked NATO to spend ninety percent61900:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.119
more funding than the United States is spending to defend itself.62000:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.920
The entire European Union would laugh in the face of62100:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.400
every American. They would say, why do we need to62200:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.719
control your borders when you can't control your borders, That's62300:38:46.760 --> 00:38:50.159
what they would say. And so yes, if you think62400:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.679
it's an existential threat, defend yourself for it.62500:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.800
Right. So let's talk about NATO, because this isn't This62600:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.079
isn't all countries, but almost chart with this here, and62700:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.760
for example Poland, as far as defense spending percentage of GDP,62800:39:07.800 --> 00:39:08.800
they spent about three.62900:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.480
Point Poland is Yeah, Poland is the greatest NATO country63000:39:12.599 --> 00:39:13.320
in my opinion.63100:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.880
In fact, this chart here is as of I think63200:39:16.920 --> 00:39:18.559
it was the end of twenty three, so it might63300:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.840
have shifted a bit, but from what I understand most countries,63400:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.719
everything kind of seems consistent according to this. At that time,63500:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.719
the US actually spent less than Poland. I think we're63600:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.960
around three point five percent, almost four like you said,63700:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.880
but we weren't quite there. And then Greece is behind us,63800:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.920
then Estonia, then Lithuania, Finland, and then it falls off63900:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.960
in France. Now here's the thing. France has always been64000:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.360
very vocal about everything. But they're spending less than two64100:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.000
percent or GDP. Canada is less than two percent, right,64200:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.039
Norway as well. Denmark also less than two percent, so64300:39:48.039 --> 00:39:53.239
it's Germany. So these these are very telling. Can say again,64400:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.320
I already knew this, I knew these countries, but say64500:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.679
again the countries who were spending the most, and then64600:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.199
will go over who borders those countries? Right right?64700:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.000
Take the US out of it, right because we just well.64800:40:07.880 --> 00:40:16.159
Right now we're looking at like Poland, yep, Houstonia yep, Lithuania, yep, Finland, Romania.64900:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.280
Actually there are at two point four percent. And who65000:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.320
are all those countries scared of Russia? Russia?65100:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.920
Absolutely they're spending is a direct reflection of how they65200:40:25.960 --> 00:40:27.679
feel about Russia.65300:40:27.960 --> 00:40:29.440
Interesting point, actually, so.65400:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.320
France, Germany, I think your spending should be a direct65500:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.599
reflection of how you feel about the security of the continent.65600:40:38.000 --> 00:40:43.599
Those countries are allowing the other countries that border Russia65700:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.760
to spend on their own defense with outcoming to their defense.65800:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.000
That's how I view it.65900:40:49.880 --> 00:40:53.679
Interesting take. Actually, uh yeah, that's an interesting take. I66000:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.079
mean attracts with when you look at the spending a66100:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.000
percentage of GDP, because even up there as one of66200:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.079
the top nations. I mean it's two percent two point66300:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.280
one or so is the United Kingdom or the UK.66400:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.719
But I just bring up France because there's They've been66500:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.760
so vocal, Germany's been so vocal, and none of these66600:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.559
countries do enough, I think for being as vocal as66700:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.119
they are. It's like, if you really care, then step up.66800:41:15.400 --> 00:41:17.079
I mean, now they're sending you, like you said, or66900:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.280
their munitions and whatnot to Ukraina. For a while, they67000:41:19.320 --> 00:41:21.760
weren't doing anything until the US did, and it's like,67100:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.000
this is the this is Europe. You should be handling67200:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.280
the situation, not waiting on the United States to take67300:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.400
care of things for you or wait for them to67400:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.159
raise their hand and say hey, I'm stepping in. Then67500:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.599
suddenly now it's okay. I don't think that's the right approach.67600:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.840
Or have Canada say I think you should do more67700:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.480
America and know why or why should and then we67800:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.159
talk about So we're just talking in percentages, right.67900:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.000
Yeah, And I got another one to go over with68000:41:48.039 --> 00:41:49.440
you after you make this point here.68100:41:49.480 --> 00:41:54.480
Okay, so we're just talking about percentages. Yes, then go68200:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.360
on your Google machine. Everybody who's listening and go look68300:41:58.400 --> 00:42:02.320
at sheer numbers, So the United States will be number68400:42:02.360 --> 00:42:05.119
one and all that because it's eight hundred and forty68500:42:05.199 --> 00:42:10.119
billion dollars a year in defense spending. The UK is68600:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.400
at what one point what? Two point what did you say?68700:42:13.400 --> 00:42:14.719
Two point three? Two point four?68800:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.840
It's two point one as of as of this point, yeah,68900:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.239
twenty twenty three. Yeah, end of twenty three.69000:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.519
So that's going to be in the hundreds of billions69100:42:24.599 --> 00:42:31.039
as well. Poland, who spends the most with gd according69200:42:31.079 --> 00:42:34.639
to just about four percent, is probably not even in69300:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.679
the top ten in sheer numbers just because their GDP69400:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.800
is not as high as other countries. I don't think69500:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.320
and in fact check me on this, I don't think69600:42:48.400 --> 00:42:52.239
that Canada, who's a bigger economy than Poland, even in69700:42:52.320 --> 00:42:56.800
sheer numbers, spends more than Poland does. So you can69800:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.000
lose me Canada on trying to tell the United States69900:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.480
what they should be doing when you're not really doing enough,70000:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.639
and you have told NATO that you can't even get70100:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.199
to that the number that's required to be a NATO country.70200:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.280
Say this again, these are numbers that are required by70300:43:14.400 --> 00:43:18.400
NATO to be a NATO country, and you're not even70400:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.360
living up to it.70500:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.679
And listen, frances what is less than to or they70600:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.519
were I don't know, I'd have to check current numbers,70700:43:24.559 --> 00:43:28.639
but for years they were behind. Norway is less than70800:43:28.719 --> 00:43:35.960
two percent, Denmark, Germany, Portugal, Man whatever, Italy, but.70900:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.559
No one wants to talk about Portugal.71000:43:38.119 --> 00:43:40.639
Well I'm half Portuguese too, which is weird. But they71100:43:40.679 --> 00:43:41.880
don't really get involved in anything.71200:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.840
Now they got the they got the coast, they're living71300:43:45.159 --> 00:43:45.639
on the beach.71400:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.480
But Canada, to your point, as of as of this information,71500:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.320
which was end of twenty three, Canada was at one71600:43:53.320 --> 00:43:54.320
point four percent.71700:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.840
And there is a two percent requirement. There's a two71800:43:57.079 --> 00:43:57.679
I'm looking.71900:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.719
At one two three. Let me see one two, three, four, six, seven,72000:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.039
eight nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,72100:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.559
nineteen countries that are members of NATO that don't even72200:44:09.599 --> 00:44:10.519
meet the two percent required.72300:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.880
Its over half of NATO countries, Yeah, that don't route72400:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.440
that don't reach the requirement.72500:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.960
Now, going to your your point about percentage, because people72600:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.840
look at percentages, right and they're saying, well, percentage GDP,72700:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.559
it doesn't it doesn't translate to actual money though, because72800:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.639
now we're talking about how large that piece of that72900:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.199
GDP actually is it. What's that number represent? Is it73000:44:33.199 --> 00:44:37.559
one million, two million, three trillion, you know, three infinity whatever?73100:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.880
And I have this other graph that's talking about. This73200:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.719
is a more recent graph, by the way. It's NATO73300:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.840
member state spending as percentage of combined okay, and this73400:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.360
is the amount of money being paid into NATO, not73500:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.199
not just percentage of GDP. The US makes up over73600:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.679
seventy percent. I's gonna be I was gonna stop you73700:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.400
right there. We know who number one is. You don't73800:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.960
even know, we don't. I'm just saying, but people people73900:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.079
forget that. And the reason I brought that up, Curven like,74000:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.079
you're right, people know that, but they're not correlating that.74100:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.880
As to why Trump keeps saying you need to pay74200:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.320
your fair share, I don't think. I don't think Trump74300:45:11.880 --> 00:45:13.920
expects anybody to put in as much as the US74400:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.320
is because we're just such a large economy. But I74500:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.880
think he's looking for people like, look, if if you're74600:45:18.880 --> 00:45:20.239
gonna be a part of this and you're gonna want74700:45:20.239 --> 00:45:25.519
the help, you need to kind of step up a bit. Now. Absolutely,74800:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.440
the UK is is contributing five point four percent of74900:45:28.519 --> 00:45:32.559
total total spending into NATO. That that's a big gap.75000:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.880
France is four point seven percent. So while their number75100:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.840
GDP look low when it comes to total spending, they're75200:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.920
they're at four point seven percent of total funding, and75300:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.119
then Germany's around the same. Then after that it falls off.75400:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.920
You got Italy at two point six Canada two point75500:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.960
one percent, so you know they they edge it up75600:45:49.960 --> 00:45:50.559
a little there.75700:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.480
But Paul say, again, what's what's the US at the percentage?75800:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.119
A seventy point five.75900:45:57.079 --> 00:46:03.400
Almost seventy seventy's let's go down. Let's yeah, seventy point five.76000:46:03.440 --> 00:46:08.119
You would usually round up, Let's round down. Seventy percent. Yes,76100:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.800
of funding comes from the United States. Yeah, yeah, seventy76200:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.920
miss more than enough. With the majority asking for the76300:46:16.039 --> 00:46:17.599
US to do more.76400:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.480
We're telling you, man, look if this, if this was76500:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.880
a border directors, we have full say, yeah, we have76600:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.639
full say, America is full say, and also we should76700:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.320
be that person. But at the same time, you can't deny.76800:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.480
So this goes back to the emotional response that people76900:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.000
get when someone like Trump says, or you know, Secretary77000:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.599
of Defense Heaxseth has said, and Vice President in Vance77100:46:42.280 --> 00:46:47.559
said this exact same thing when asked will the US77200:46:50.079 --> 00:46:56.199
remove themselves from NATO? And they say if europe, if77300:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.000
NATO was not doing enough and it is no longer77400:46:59.039 --> 00:47:03.119
a mutually an official organization, the US is gonna have77500:47:03.159 --> 00:47:07.480
to consider getting out of NATO. And everybody has an77600:47:07.480 --> 00:47:11.159
emotional response to it. European leaders within NATO have an77700:47:11.159 --> 00:47:14.320
emotional response to them saying that why do they have77800:47:14.360 --> 00:47:19.440
that emotional response to it. It's because all of that77900:47:19.599 --> 00:47:24.159
money from the United States goes away from NATO. Does78000:47:24.199 --> 00:47:32.239
that then mean Putin has a green light to then78100:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.880
attack NATO. Absolutely, But it's not because the US got78200:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.159
out of NATO. It's because you NATO have not done78300:47:39.280 --> 00:47:45.519
enough to fund yourself. I agree, man, that's the situation78400:47:46.159 --> 00:47:48.239
where we're in right now. And I'll go back again.78500:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.840
Just if anybody has caught this in the middle of78600:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.719
this podcast, George will tell you this. I have been78700:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.199
a staunch supporter of Ukraine and what they're doing to78800:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.360
push back against Russian aggression since the moment this happened.78900:48:02.800 --> 00:48:06.440
This is not an anti Ukraine discussion, No, this is79000:48:06.480 --> 00:48:10.760
a you have to do you have to pay for79100:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.199
your own things. These are your borders.79200:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.400
I agree. I hate to secure your own borders. And79300:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.519
people were up in arms about what jad Vance said79400:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.199
when he was when he was at the Yeah, yep,79500:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.840
it's the Munich Summit. Yeah, I'm sorry, my brain, I'm79600:48:25.840 --> 00:48:27.800
trying to look something up at the same time. Sorry,79700:48:27.880 --> 00:48:29.719
but yeah, everybody was up up in arms about what79800:48:29.760 --> 00:48:34.199
he said. And it's like, look, to paraphrase, Europe, you79900:48:34.239 --> 00:48:38.400
need to step up and defend yourself and stop relying80000:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.360
on America to do it for you paraphrasing.80100:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.920
And I think his main his main point really was80200:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.199
to the NATO countries, to the European Union. You are80300:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.039
starting to see the United States and saying things like80400:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.519
the United States has gone against free speech. The United80500:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.960
States is going against you know, the free movement of80600:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.920
the world and against democracy. And he astutely pointed out, no, Europe,80700:49:08.000 --> 00:49:14.519
you are against free speech, you are against the free movement,80800:49:15.599 --> 00:49:21.960
you are against protecting your own borders. And he said that,80900:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.400
and people got up in arms. And I saw one81000:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.320
post a thread of somebody saying everything that jd Vance81100:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.159
claimed happened didn't happen. And yet in that thread it81200:49:34.239 --> 00:49:39.000
actually said that what Jdvan It was basically trying to81300:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.320
nitpick at things that he was saying, like, oh, the81400:49:42.320 --> 00:49:47.480
government of the UK or put someone in jail because81500:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.360
they prayed, And the guy was nitpicking and he was like, well,81600:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.840
it wasn't the government that did it, it was the police.81700:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.480
And I'm like, are you this is really what we're81800:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.679
going to say here, Like you're talking about just grasping81900:49:59.719 --> 00:50:05.599
for what is the police? The what the police does82000:50:05.639 --> 00:50:09.679
in every country is it abides by the law set82100:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.039
by the government. When the government makes a law, the82200:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.320
police enforce that law. So if the police arrests someone82300:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.000
or find someone for doing something that is visa vi82400:50:22.840 --> 00:50:27.239
the government, otherwise they wouldn't do it.82500:50:27.239 --> 00:50:31.719
It's true. And and people, you know, actually well news82600:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.079
outlets were right away going, well, how dare jd Avance82700:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.320
stand up there and tell Europe how to run their82800:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.360
own countries and what they should stand for. But he82900:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.920
made he made perfect sense, aside from the NATO element83000:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.960
and also them defending themselves, where he said, look, you83100:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.719
guys who were going through the same things we were83200:50:48.039 --> 00:50:52.079
with with mass migration and immigration coming into your countries83300:50:52.519 --> 00:50:55.480
and your own citizens are up in arms and complaining83400:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.639
about it, but you're not doing anything from a governmental83500:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.159
perspective to look out for their own He basically said, look,83600:51:02.440 --> 00:51:05.480
you got yourselves here. Why did you not get ahead83700:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.559
of this? Why did you not look out for your83800:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.840
own people? Why did you put, you know, the interests83900:51:10.599 --> 00:51:16.280
of foreign entities and migrants ahead of your own people.84000:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.280
And it's a legitimate question. It was a legit legitimate84100:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.360
question that a world leader hasn't really asked other world84200:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.239
leaders publicly. On top of that, I.84300:51:26.159 --> 00:51:30.599
Also think it's very telling that when something like that happens,84400:51:31.159 --> 00:51:36.599
when it's called out in that especially publicly like that,84500:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.760
that the We'll go back to what the stoics say,84600:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.519
the emotional response that you have to that says more84700:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.039
about you than it does about the person you're reacting84800:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.760
to or the statement that you're reacting to. And so84900:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.719
what does that mean in this context? It means Europe,85000:51:51.079 --> 00:51:54.679
I do believe, understands that they didn't do enough and85100:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.280
that they were freeloading off of the United States. And85200:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.519
now that it's come to a head, it's just like,85300:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.360
so this was my frustration with COVID whenever we did85400:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.920
the lockdowns, and I very much agreed with two weeks85500:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.679
to flatten the curve. That seemed very logical to me85600:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.440
if we just separated ourselves from everybody for a disease85700:52:15.639 --> 00:52:19.719
that was, you know, that spread very quickly in open85800:52:19.760 --> 00:52:24.639
air in close quarters. Two weeks, get away from everybody, nobody,85900:52:24.679 --> 00:52:28.079
do anything. You're you're good. Two weeks to flatten the curve.86000:52:28.199 --> 00:52:33.639
After the two weeks, the state governments and federal government said, well,86100:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.840
we're just you know, we're not ready to open up86200:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.599
right now. And I said, well, what have you been86300:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.280
doing for two weeks? And basically they were doing nothing86400:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.159
for two weeks. They said, well, you told me to86500:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.280
go home and not do anything. Now, that's not what86600:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.199
we told you. And that's a whole part of this86700:52:51.320 --> 00:52:55.519
discussion with teleworking and working from home and stuff like that.86800:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.960
It was, no, we didn't tell you to go home86900:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.440
and don't do anything. Go break, bake and watch Netflix,87000:53:01.480 --> 00:53:04.599
go watch Tiger King. We told you to go home,87100:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.840
figure this out, and in two weeks come back with87200:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.599
a plan and let's open this back up. This is87300:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.880
the same thing that's going on with Europe. The United87400:53:14.920 --> 00:53:20.119
States has said Russia's an aggressor. They're going to invade Ukraine.87500:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.119
You're going to need to figure out how to deter that.87600:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.079
And they said, first, now, it's never going to happen.87700:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.039
That's not going to happen. I was reading an article87800:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.440
from a conservative think tank, a Reason magazine, if you've87900:53:33.440 --> 00:53:37.880
ever heard of Reason magazine. So this was all because88000:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.400
I was doing research on Mitt Romney and his campaigns88100:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.880
for the presidency, which I think is a catalyst for88200:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.199
the Trump campaign and how Trump got elected in twenty sixteen.88300:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.199
And the reason I say that is because a lot88400:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.519
of the conversations we have about Trump they were having88500:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.400
about Mitt Romney when he was running against Barack Obama.88600:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.719
We're talking about the most vanilla guy'll ever meet, now,88700:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.320
a pariah of the of the conservative movement because of88800:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.400
things that he said against Trump. It was the same88900:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.719
things they were saying about Trump they said about Mitt Romney.89000:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.760
They said it about Trump and it was the boy89100:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.159
who cried Wolf. People said, well, you've told me the89200:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.880
Republicans are Nazis for so long and they've turned out89300:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.039
to not be Nazis. You say this guy's a Nazi.89400:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.119
I'm going to vote for him anyway, and we're just89500:54:27.199 --> 00:54:31.000
gonna cross our fingers on this. Now, that's not a89600:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.360
perspective of how I feel about Trump and whether he's89700:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.639
a Nazi or not. I can tell you wholeheart, I89800:54:35.639 --> 00:54:39.199
don't think he's a Nazi, I really don't. I also89900:54:39.239 --> 00:54:41.559
don't think he's the mouthpiece of Putin. So I put90000:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.400
both of those out there. But I'm reading this stuff.90100:54:44.599 --> 00:54:48.880
So Mitt Romney did a European tour, and a lot90200:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.760
of what he said during this European tour about what90300:54:51.800 --> 00:54:55.800
Europe needs to do to protect the borders is what90400:54:55.840 --> 00:54:59.679
you're now hearing with the is well, it's a far90500:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.159
from what you're hearing from the Trump administration. That Romney90600:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.480
was saying the US should still support NATO, but Europe90700:55:07.559 --> 00:55:11.440
needs to like there's no reason to get out of NATO,90800:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.800
but NATO needs to do more in funding than the90900:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.360
United States. And what was very interesting is Reason magazine91000:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.880
but this full article promoting that Romney and what he's saying,91100:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.360
but then saying Europe is worried about a war. There's91200:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.159
never going to be another war in Europe because who91300:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.320
would invade a European country? What European country would invade91400:55:34.400 --> 00:55:38.519
another European country? And they use things like Romania, other91500:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.360
this before Crimea, when Russia invaded Ukraine and Crimea, and91600:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.880
so it was very telling to me of people that91700:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.960
didn't have the foresight to see. So this was twenty twelve.91800:55:53.559 --> 00:55:57.079
This is a year where Obama was very friendly with Putin.91900:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.320
He made a very it's got a lot of play92000:56:02.320 --> 00:56:06.519
in conservative media during the election. He is sitting with92100:56:06.559 --> 00:56:11.079
I believe, Sergey Labrov, and he has a conversation that92200:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.239
got picked up off of a hot mic, back to92300:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.800
our conversation of things that are talked about in closed92400:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.119
doors that we don't usually hear, but now that we92500:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.920
have Trump, we get to hear it. There's more transparency.92600:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.840
But he told Lavrov, I believe it's a Lavrov. Somebody92700:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.360
else fact checked me on that one. That listen tell92800:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.440
Putin that whenever the election's over and I win, I'm92900:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.920
going to have more leverage to do things for Russia93000:56:38.239 --> 00:56:44.239
than I would right now. That's the Democratic Party, that93100:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.599
is what some people would call the far left. Some93200:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.880
people consider Obama the far left of the Democratic Party.93300:56:50.679 --> 00:56:55.039
He was very much making pro Putin statements in back doors,93400:56:55.400 --> 00:57:01.119
kind of the conversations that it was Lavrov. My memory93500:57:01.159 --> 00:57:04.639
hasn't stopped as it failed me today.93600:57:06.199 --> 00:57:07.000
I just looked that up.93700:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.480
So yeah, there was a very friendly relationship was I93800:57:11.079 --> 00:57:16.039
was in Saint Petersburg in twenty sixteen, I think Saint Petersburg, Russia,93900:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.599
and I just have this very funny story of being there.94000:57:19.599 --> 00:57:23.280
I know my driver was KGB because of the kind94100:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.320
of his background and the things he was allowed to do.94200:57:25.360 --> 00:57:27.639
One of the things he was allowed to do that94300:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.239
no one else on our tour that we purchased was94400:57:31.280 --> 00:57:37.800
allowed to do was go to Putin's house in Saint Petersburg. Interesting,94500:57:37.920 --> 00:57:39.880
and we got to go there because he wanted to94600:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.320
show us we ingratiated ourselves to him in the fact94700:57:44.320 --> 00:57:48.119
that we didn't talk crap about Russia. It was twenty sixteen.94800:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.559
Remember this is Putin and Trump and how bad Russia94900:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.719
is because Trump likes Russia for some reason. The collusion hoax, yes,95000:57:57.760 --> 00:58:02.280
the whole collusion, and so the fact shift still.95100:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.400
Has not presented any evidence of He always has these,95200:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.840
you know, secret sources that he can't reveal.95300:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.559
And that's always been my problem when you go I95400:58:12.559 --> 00:58:16.000
can't reveal who my sources are. I get it for95500:58:16.440 --> 00:58:18.280
the a lot of things where I don't want to95600:58:18.320 --> 00:58:22.199
reveal who I am because then that's going to be95700:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.719
a put me at a target away from there. So95800:58:25.760 --> 00:58:28.280
we got to go go buy Putin's house, and it95900:58:28.360 --> 00:58:32.480
was like, oh, look that's where Obama and Putin met96000:58:32.800 --> 00:58:36.480
on the roof and had a summit. This is twenty96100:58:36.840 --> 00:58:41.280
So that was twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen timeframe. We're in96200:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.639
twenty twenty five, and now look at how the world96300:58:43.800 --> 00:58:49.199
views Russia. So very quickly it moved, and I believe96400:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.000
it really moved in twenty sixteen with the Russia collusion96500:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.519
that you talked about, and if you actually want to know,96600:58:56.800 --> 00:59:00.320
because of things that I was working with, did Rush96700:59:00.079 --> 00:59:06.239
to involve themselves in the US election? Yes? Did they96800:59:06.239 --> 00:59:07.320
do it in twenty twelve?96900:59:07.400 --> 00:59:07.679
Yes?97000:59:08.239 --> 00:59:10.039
Did they do it in twenty two thousand and eight?97100:59:10.599 --> 00:59:10.880
Yes?97200:59:11.360 --> 00:59:12.800
Did they do it in two thousand and four?97300:59:13.360 --> 00:59:13.599
Yes?97400:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.559
Do you hear a pattern here? Do you want me97500:59:15.599 --> 00:59:22.079
to keep going back two thousand? Yes? Ninety six? Yes,97600:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.360
But your points.97700:59:24.079 --> 00:59:28.039
May because every world power, if they could, wants to97800:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.239
influence our election. Yes, like why wouldn't they? Even China?97900:59:31.840 --> 00:59:33.920
Absolutely, China's doing it right now.98000:59:34.079 --> 00:59:36.400
Yeah, it's ridiculous to think that they wouldn't. I mean,98100:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.519
and it's also naive to think that the US, you know,98200:59:39.960 --> 00:59:42.119
ourselves wouldn't do the same. We have.98300:59:43.719 --> 00:59:48.960
Yes, so this Yes, I hope you didn't think I98400:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.079
was going to say, pushback and go. The US has98500:59:51.119 --> 00:59:56.880
never done that. The US is world famous for regime change.98600:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.320
Absolutely, it's kind of our calling. It's kind of what98700:59:59.360 --> 00:59:59.679
we do.98801:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.000
It's what we do poorly, I will say, we don't98901:00:04.000 --> 01:00:08.239
stop trying though, it's we are we are the worst.99001:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.599
And look at Syria, right, but Sharsad is gone. I99101:00:12.599 --> 01:00:15.360
think he should be gone. He was killing his own people.99201:00:16.639 --> 01:00:20.960
But now we have a form. What he would say99301:00:21.000 --> 01:00:26.119
is former Islamist extremist looking to be the leader of99401:00:26.159 --> 01:00:28.960
Syria and it is being backed by the United States99501:00:29.440 --> 01:00:30.719
for him to take over.99601:00:31.239 --> 01:00:33.440
Yeah, we're gonna get actually go that direction in the99701:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.159
Middle East here in a minute. But let's let's try99801:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.960
to wrap this NATO NATO slash JD Vance comment up99901:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.199
a bit, because what you said about you know what100001:00:44.599 --> 01:00:48.280
your what's your initial reaction says more about you? Right? Yeh.100101:00:49.039 --> 01:00:52.280
When I was watching that speech, after he made that100201:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.480
statement and a few others, when the camera pan I100301:00:55.480 --> 01:00:58.400
don't care who you were, what country you're from. Everyone's100401:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.480
face just kind of went from yeah, this guy, let's100501:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.440
see what he says to that oh shit, Yeah, like100601:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.679
you just saw their face melt. It was ridiculous, And100701:01:09.320 --> 01:01:11.880
it was, as you said, it was so telling, like100801:01:11.960 --> 01:01:15.199
they all realize, hold on, what they've been telling us100901:01:15.360 --> 01:01:18.920
for this long is really going to happen. Yeah, it's101001:01:19.159 --> 01:01:23.440
what are we going to do? And they didn't go101101:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.440
back to the COVID thing. They weren't planning for it.101201:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.199
Even though they were told there was going to happen,101301:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.880
they weren't planning for it. So now it looks like101401:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.480
they're blindsided, but they're really not. They're just trying to freeload.101501:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.639
But is it Is it wrong for Jdvans to make101601:01:38.639 --> 01:01:41.320
the statement for our administration to say, hey, Europe, you101701:01:41.400 --> 01:01:44.800
kind of need to figure this out. It's not wrong.101801:01:44.880 --> 01:01:52.280
Now it is wrong to say to allies that hey,101901:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.000
we're going to we're leaving. We're not doing anything more.102001:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.400
I think some of the stuff that Secretary of Defense102101:01:57.440 --> 01:02:02.800
Heseth said about removing the US from Europe was wrong102201:02:02.840 --> 01:02:05.559
because these are allies we're talking about. I agree with102301:02:05.559 --> 01:02:07.559
you on that when you don't have allies to come102401:02:07.599 --> 01:02:11.320
to your support. We'll take this back to the LA102501:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.679
wildfires and that discussion that happened during the LA wildfires,102601:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.320
and Canada helped and Mexico helped. Why because their allies102701:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.760
to the United States. And so when you isolate yourself102801:02:22.840 --> 01:02:28.280
so much that your allies no longer trust you, there102901:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.360
will come a time where you're going to need your103001:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.719
allies and they're not going to be there. And so103101:02:33.760 --> 01:02:37.440
I think it's a fine line that everyone needs to103201:02:38.000 --> 01:02:43.199
kind of traverse here. And I don't know that some103301:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.440
of the people who have been put in their positions103401:02:45.880 --> 01:02:50.239
understand how to walk that tight rope and they're still learning.103501:02:50.280 --> 01:02:54.239
That doesn't mean that they're not going to learn and103601:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.440
that it's not going to get better. I just don't103701:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.679
know how it looks right now.103801:03:00.440 --> 01:03:07.360
I think I think I think sectef Hegsith and Advance.103901:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.079
The statements regarding pulling out should have been more, Look,104001:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.599
we want you to step up your abilities and defending yourselves,104101:03:16.639 --> 01:03:20.000
and we're going to reduce our presence, not pull out.104201:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.039
We still need to be there, we still need to104301:03:22.039 --> 01:03:24.360
have a presence. And you're right, like I said, I104401:03:24.440 --> 01:03:27.039
agree with you we can't turn our back in our allies.104501:03:27.079 --> 01:03:28.360
That is just ridiculous.104601:03:28.599 --> 01:03:34.360
I also think that the way to present it is, Listen,104701:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.800
we appreciate what you're doing Europe in aligning yourself with104801:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.320
the United States, but this does not seem like a104901:03:43.440 --> 01:03:48.800
reciprocal alliance. It looks to us, and you're going to105001:03:48.840 --> 01:03:51.719
have to show us how it's different that the US105101:03:51.840 --> 01:03:56.079
is doing everything for you and you're doing nothing for us.105201:03:56.119 --> 01:03:57.880
And this is a conversation that's going to come up105301:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.960
with Tulca Gabbard as the Director of National Intelligence, and.105401:04:02.519 --> 01:04:05.280
I know you got a lot to say on that one,105501:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.159
and I honestly I have maybe twenty more minutes.105601:04:09.519 --> 01:04:10.280
Got started late.105701:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.000
I'm steering. I'm going to steer this into our final105801:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.599
because the other thing I wanted to talk about, you105901:04:16.639 --> 01:04:18.559
and I are going to connect again. I'm not worried about, Yeah,106001:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.639
get me back talk about I want to talk about Gaza.106101:04:21.679 --> 01:04:23.639
I want to talk about Gaza. I want to talk106201:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.639
about which you just were touching on earlier with Syrias.106301:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.719
So my whole thing was I wanted to go over Russia,106401:04:30.760 --> 01:04:32.920
Ukraine with you. NATO. We kind of touched on in106501:04:32.960 --> 01:04:37.599
our European relationship there after the statement Spade by Hexseeth advance.106601:04:37.639 --> 01:04:41.639
But now now the biggest one to me is Trump's106701:04:41.639 --> 01:04:45.639
statements on owning Gaza, displacing a bunch of people and106801:04:45.679 --> 01:04:48.239
then telling the rest of the Middle East to figure106901:04:48.280 --> 01:04:52.599
it out. And you have experience there, so I want107001:04:52.599 --> 01:04:53.719
to know what your thoughts are.107101:04:54.199 --> 01:04:56.920
And I can also say I'm not trying to be107201:04:59.159 --> 01:05:04.039
shady or or aloof tier. I do know some things107301:05:04.039 --> 01:05:06.280
that have gone on behind the scenes that I really107401:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.800
can't talk about in a public avenue. I can't talk107501:05:08.840 --> 01:05:16.280
about at all because of you know, the national security107601:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.239
and things like that. So I'm not being shady on that.107701:05:19.320 --> 01:05:23.239
So if I talk in what seems like not absolute107801:05:24.039 --> 01:05:28.159
or in verifiable data, just to know that there are107901:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.639
things that I can't talk about and this is how108001:05:31.679 --> 01:05:33.480
I know it. Now, I can say, but.108101:05:33.480 --> 01:05:35.679
That's fine because when it comes to Middle East, there's108201:05:35.719 --> 01:05:37.960
never been anything that was defined an absolute anyway.108301:05:38.039 --> 01:05:39.119
Yeah, yeah, exactly.108401:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.159
It's so it's it's okay for you to make that statement,108501:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.519
but I know that you can at least give your108601:05:44.559 --> 01:05:48.159
take on comments, you know, basically the history of the area,108701:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.159
what's going on and how how that's going to affect108801:05:51.159 --> 01:05:53.320
and impact the area in general, because even when you108901:05:53.320 --> 01:05:57.960
were talking about Syria, reality is now the the fact109001:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.400
a leader literally is a terrorist, was part of a109101:06:01.480 --> 01:06:04.440
terrorist organization involved with isis ol Kaeda, he has a history.109201:06:04.440 --> 01:06:06.920
I did a whole show on this. I deep dived109301:06:06.960 --> 01:06:09.199
on this guy. And you know this better than I109401:06:09.280 --> 01:06:11.360
because you, you know, you're involved in certain things where109501:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.840
you have to, you know, monitor, because I tracked this guy.109601:06:15.039 --> 01:06:16.400
Yeah, I'm just.109701:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.960
Saying, and so let's start with Gaza. Let's let's just109801:06:21.000 --> 01:06:26.719
start with Trump's statement and Trump's position on Gaza. What109901:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.960
are your thoughts on him saying? Because Netan naw Who's110001:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.079
face in that conference when Trump said we are going110101:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.679
to own Gaza in We're going to make it an economic,110201:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.519
you know, land of you know, prosperity, et cetera, Nettan110301:06:39.559 --> 01:06:42.159
Nyahoo just kind of looked like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I110401:06:42.199 --> 01:06:43.199
didn't know this was happening.110501:06:44.039 --> 01:06:45.920
So it goes back to what I was saying, these110601:06:45.920 --> 01:06:49.440
are things that happened behind closed doors in conversations with110701:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.199
world leaders, right, but we're getting to see it on110801:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.320
the world stage. Whether that's good or bad. We'll find110901:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.840
out in ten years whether this was a good idea111001:06:58.920 --> 01:06:59.880
or a bad idea.111101:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.800
This will be a period to be talked about in history.111201:07:03.360 --> 01:07:07.519
I am going to apologize one hundred So if you're111301:07:07.519 --> 01:07:10.679
listening to this one hundred years from now, I apologize111401:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.519
for your history lessons and how long you have to111501:07:13.559 --> 01:07:18.599
spend on the US history from two thousand to twenty111601:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.880
twenty five. Right, see twenty to twenty thirty five is111701:07:21.880 --> 01:07:25.880
what I'm going to say here. Yeah, and world history111801:07:26.039 --> 01:07:29.239
from two thousand, actually world history from nineteen eighty nine111901:07:29.320 --> 01:07:30.960
to two thousand and thirty five.112001:07:31.280 --> 01:07:33.679
I apologize idea what they're going to label this period,112101:07:33.760 --> 01:07:35.599
But it's going to be interesting, it.112201:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.719
Will be well, some scholar will figure it out. That's112301:07:38.760 --> 01:07:44.000
not for us to but the whole Gaza conversation here,112401:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.719
So these are conversations that would happen behind the scenes.112501:07:46.760 --> 01:07:51.440
So Trump and that Yahoo would have this conversation of hey, look,112601:07:51.519 --> 01:07:54.320
I've talked to my people in my administration, and we112701:07:54.400 --> 01:07:58.519
think the US should have control over Gaza. We've put112801:07:58.519 --> 01:08:02.480
a lot of money in to helping Israel defend against112901:08:02.559 --> 01:08:08.000
Tomas you and you completely wiped out Gaza. So since113001:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.679
we gave you that money a reciprocal We want to113101:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.800
have that area because it's oceanfront property, and I think113201:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.920
a Trump tower in Gaza would be really nice and113301:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.079
give the US a lot of money. This is all113401:08:20.079 --> 01:08:23.319
a business deal that didn't get to happen behind the113501:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.680
scenes because it happened in the public. Trump is going113601:08:26.720 --> 01:08:30.119
off of the top of his head. I don't know113701:08:30.159 --> 01:08:34.079
for certain. This is how I assess how Trump's mind works.113801:08:35.439 --> 01:08:38.680
He's getting the President's daily brief every day. He hears113901:08:39.000 --> 01:08:42.920
certain things come out from the intelligence community, from his114001:08:43.039 --> 01:08:49.039
staff on what could these things look like? Right? What114101:08:49.119 --> 01:08:53.119
should we be doing in Gaza. Here's a here's one contingency,114201:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.159
here's a second contingency, here's a third contingency. And he114301:08:56.279 --> 01:08:58.880
latches onto one of the contingencies, this being the United114401:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.720
States takeover Gaza, and he goes, oh, that's very interesting.114501:09:03.359 --> 01:09:06.319
Let me let me think on that, and then he114601:09:06.399 --> 01:09:09.479
regurgitates it in the public. He did go back to COVID.114701:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.159
He did this for COVID. If you remember the Bleach114801:09:13.520 --> 01:09:17.279
using bleach, yah, I do. The media took it as114901:09:17.359 --> 01:09:19.960
him saying injecting. Trump wants to inject to.115001:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.800
Bleach physically put bleach in your vents, right.115101:09:22.840 --> 01:09:24.479
And this is where I go back to Trump purply,115201:09:24.640 --> 01:09:27.439
and the media has got to stop doing this and115301:09:27.479 --> 01:09:31.039
the reaction has got to stop being Trump wants to115401:09:31.079 --> 01:09:33.760
do this. I don't think Trump. I honestly don't think115501:09:33.800 --> 01:09:37.640
Trump wants the US involved in Gaza at all. But115601:09:37.720 --> 01:09:39.960
he heard it as one of the contingencies. He thought115701:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.479
it was interesting. Just like with Bleach. He goes, yeah,115801:09:43.520 --> 01:09:47.760
Bleach does kind of kill uh these things. I wonder115901:09:47.840 --> 01:09:48.760
what would.116001:09:48.479 --> 01:09:51.319
Happen if he did method right?116101:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.520
And I do this on a podcast all the time,116201:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.119
and I think people listen to him and go, well,116301:09:56.119 --> 01:09:58.600
that dude's crazy. What did he just say? Because I'm116401:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.359
just having a conversation and I go, well, that's an116501:10:01.399 --> 01:10:04.159
interesting theory. I wonder if we did do that.116601:10:05.960 --> 01:10:09.840
Right. Well here's here's without getting off topic because I116701:10:09.880 --> 01:10:11.279
want to I want to get a little more into this,116801:10:11.359 --> 01:10:14.279
but this is my take on Trump and why he116901:10:14.319 --> 01:10:17.560
says what he does publicly, especially with world leaders. And117001:10:17.600 --> 01:10:19.000
I talked about this with my brother on one of117101:10:19.000 --> 01:10:22.640
the shows we did previously. I think Trump what he117201:10:22.720 --> 01:10:26.960
does his tactic is is he likes to he's stress117301:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.960
testing the situation. He's got this, he's got this long,117401:10:30.079 --> 01:10:33.680
sharp metal pick, and he's tapping the glass in all117501:10:33.760 --> 01:10:36.800
these different areas to see where it fractures. And I117601:10:36.840 --> 01:10:38.920
think that's exactly what he's doing. I don't I don't117701:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.319
think he really. I think it's ridiculous for him to117801:10:41.319 --> 01:10:42.760
make a statement that we're going to take over gaz117901:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.199
end manage it. I also think that maybe he was118001:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.359
trying to create a buffer, a de facto buffer, to say, hey,118101:10:48.439 --> 01:10:52.159
let's separate the kids from fighting. And I'm not trying118201:10:52.159 --> 01:10:53.760
to downplay a situation. I'm just saying, you say, he's118301:10:53.760 --> 01:10:55.800
a example, Let's let's separate him for a bit. Let's118401:10:55.840 --> 01:10:57.039
get in the middle of this and make sure that118501:10:57.079 --> 01:10:58.640
there's some kind of a buffer zone so that we118601:10:58.680 --> 01:11:03.439
can get a handle on things. I think people took118701:11:03.680 --> 01:11:06.840
took what he said way way out of context and118801:11:06.880 --> 01:11:08.560
over the top. I mean, like you said, a lot118901:11:08.600 --> 01:11:10.479
of people take what he says literally.119001:11:10.159 --> 01:11:12.880
Yeah, that that's the that's the plan that's in place,119101:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.960
right and it's not. And so I'm going to agree119201:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.000
with you on this. I want to agree with you119301:11:19.039 --> 01:11:21.399
real quick with things that I know that I can't119401:11:21.439 --> 01:11:26.680
talk about and how what he did was very effective.119501:11:28.880 --> 01:11:33.159
And the reason I say that is because he said119601:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.520
these things, and I really think, just like you said,119701:11:35.560 --> 01:11:37.880
don't take him literally on it. He's trying to stress119801:11:37.920 --> 01:11:41.399
test it. He's also trying to get a reaction from119901:11:41.760 --> 01:11:48.399
certain other avenues. Those other avenues being Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon,120001:11:48.960 --> 01:11:49.560
and Iran.120101:11:50.279 --> 01:11:51.640
I was literally just gonna bring them up.120201:11:51.680 --> 01:11:56.199
Okay, sorry, So then we're going to lead into that because.120301:11:55.920 --> 01:11:57.479
I'll let you steer. This go ahead.120401:11:57.640 --> 01:12:03.920
Since that statement, what has happen. Egypt has directed at120501:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.319
the end of this month of February, they have directed120601:12:06.319 --> 01:12:10.560
a summit to come to an agreement on what to120701:12:10.600 --> 01:12:16.039
do with the Palestinian people. That's what this was all about, exactly.120801:12:16.439 --> 01:12:18.359
It was about what are you going to do with120901:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.039
all these refugees, millions of people? You can't have them121001:12:23.079 --> 01:12:26.760
all return. That so Trump, this is on another thing.121101:12:26.800 --> 01:12:29.319
He said, I don't think they want to return. You know,121201:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.159
their house has gone. I don't think they want to return.121301:12:32.199 --> 01:12:34.560
I don't think that's true. I think if my house121401:12:34.680 --> 01:12:38.359
was burned down here in DC and I had to121501:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.000
leave in a few months later, they go, So what121601:12:41.039 --> 01:12:42.640
do you want to do? I go I want to121701:12:42.680 --> 01:12:44.840
go back to where I was living, because that's where121801:12:44.840 --> 01:12:45.479
I was living.121901:12:46.039 --> 01:12:47.279
I think he was just trying to point out the122001:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.840
severity of the situation exactly made that statement.122101:12:49.560 --> 01:12:54.720
Yes, pointing out the severity and the understanding that in122201:12:54.760 --> 01:12:59.279
the near future those people are cannot come back. There122301:12:59.319 --> 01:13:02.439
is just no way unless they want to live in122401:13:02.479 --> 01:13:06.560
the streets for ten years while it gets rebuilt. You can't.122501:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.640
So there are going to be refugees and you can122601:13:10.880 --> 01:13:14.520
you can make fun of, you know, being compassionate or humanitarian.122701:13:14.920 --> 01:13:17.199
You have to do something with these people. These are122801:13:17.239 --> 01:13:20.600
families that were uprooted because of what Hamas decided to122901:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.560
do on October of twenty twenty three. They were uprooted123001:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.520
from their homes because Israel had to retaliate. They can't123101:13:28.560 --> 01:13:32.520
come back right now, so they have to be held somewhere. Well,123201:13:32.520 --> 01:13:34.880
you can't put them in a tent city in Gaza123301:13:35.159 --> 01:13:41.359
and just let Hamas re establish itself. So Trump was saying,123401:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.119
Egypt needs to deal with it, Jordan needs to deal123501:13:44.159 --> 01:13:48.039
with it, Saudi Arabia, and with all of that, we123601:13:48.119 --> 01:13:50.119
need to come to an agreement on what we need123701:13:50.159 --> 01:13:52.520
to do with Iran. That's the country that no one123801:13:52.560 --> 01:13:53.960
wants to be talking about right now.123901:13:54.039 --> 01:13:55.439
I was just going to bring them up to it. Man,124001:13:55.439 --> 01:13:57.239
you're way ahead of me. We kind of really think124101:13:57.239 --> 01:13:58.119
a lot we do.124201:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.960
You should see just messages because it's pretty much the124301:14:02.039 --> 01:14:02.840
same thing.124401:14:03.039 --> 01:14:05.439
No, keep going, go ahead, just keep going down the troad,124501:14:05.479 --> 01:14:08.279
because you're basically just gonna reveal or talk about everything124601:14:08.279 --> 01:14:10.079
else gonna ask anyway, So just just go for it.124701:14:10.199 --> 01:14:12.079
Yeah, So, who we don't want to talk about, or124801:14:12.119 --> 01:14:13.840
who people are trying not to talk about. They're talking124901:14:13.840 --> 01:14:17.760
about people who are pro Palestinian or pro Hamas, trying125001:14:17.760 --> 01:14:20.720
not to trip group the two together. Who you're not125101:14:20.760 --> 01:14:25.000
talking about is Iran and Iran. Hamas is a proxy125201:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.760
of Iran. I say, Hamas is Iran. It's just the125301:14:28.840 --> 01:14:33.800
long arm of Iran. And Trump is very bullish on125401:14:34.039 --> 01:14:38.359
the regime, on the IRGC and the Iranian regime. It's125501:14:38.479 --> 01:14:44.479
very hawkish on them. And he understands that in nuclear125601:14:45.920 --> 01:14:51.039
capable Iran is a threat. It's an existential threat to125701:14:51.600 --> 01:14:54.159
not just the Middle East, but certain parts of Europe125801:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.600
and Asia. And with that it means they're also a125901:14:57.640 --> 01:14:59.840
threat to the United States because they're a threat to126001:15:00.119 --> 01:15:04.079
US allies, and so Iran has to be dealt with.126101:15:05.520 --> 01:15:09.800
And then if that's the case and none of these126201:15:09.840 --> 01:15:13.880
other countries Egypt, Jordan want to take in these Palestinian126301:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.920
refugees and hold on to them until we can establish126401:15:16.920 --> 01:15:20.239
something on Gaza, the US is going to have to126501:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.359
get involved because Iran is a threat to the United126601:15:23.359 --> 01:15:26.359
States and they are a major threat, the biggest threat126701:15:27.079 --> 01:15:29.800
to the number one ally of the United States, and126801:15:29.800 --> 01:15:34.399
that's Israel, and so that has to be dealt with.126901:15:34.640 --> 01:15:37.920
And so that's why I when I was assessing everything127001:15:37.960 --> 01:15:41.239
with Trump talking about a US presence, but that's not127101:15:41.279 --> 01:15:44.039
going to be a military presence. I pushed back on that,127201:15:44.199 --> 01:15:47.199
because it is going to be a military presence because127301:15:47.239 --> 01:15:50.600
Iran is going to take advantage of that and they127401:15:50.600 --> 01:15:53.279
are going to something is going to happen where you127501:15:53.319 --> 01:15:54.880
will have to put because if you're going to have127601:15:55.000 --> 01:16:00.000
US people on got in Gaza, on the beaches of Gaza,127701:16:00.079 --> 01:16:03.720
uh Iran is going to attack it and then the127801:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.399
US military is going to have to protect its people.127901:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.000
That means putting troops on the ground in Gaza. So128001:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.560
that was very cautious about that. But these sound clips128101:16:15.279 --> 01:16:20.039
or these sound bites that Trump says doesn't it doesn't128201:16:20.079 --> 01:16:23.880
allow for this full nuance to be understood, and then128301:16:23.920 --> 01:16:26.520
the media jumps and puts a headline out like US128401:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.680
troops in Gaza. Yeah, probably, but that's not what he said.128501:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.199
He didn't say He's going to put US troops. Is128601:16:34.199 --> 01:16:37.079
that what it's going to lead to. Maybe it's a probability,128701:16:37.960 --> 01:16:40.880
but that's not what he said. Such another aspect we128801:16:40.960 --> 01:16:45.239
have to to get away from is headlines that don't128901:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.199
say what actually is occurring in the world.129001:16:49.960 --> 01:16:51.920
And we got to get away from people just only129101:16:52.000 --> 01:16:55.520
reading the damn headline and taking absolute context. Yeah, and129201:16:56.520 --> 01:16:58.960
Iran is it's a very that's very important because they129301:16:59.039 --> 01:17:01.279
will take advantage of the Stitch situation. And then outside129401:17:01.319 --> 01:17:03.880
of that, you also have Syria, which is unstable as129501:17:03.920 --> 01:17:06.159
much as as much as they're trying to make it129601:17:06.199 --> 01:17:08.000
look like, hey, we're trying to be the good guys.129701:17:08.119 --> 01:17:13.560
I've I've renounced my evil ways. Whatever. We got to129801:17:13.640 --> 01:17:15.239
keep an eye on that. We got to keep an129901:17:15.239 --> 01:17:16.239
eye on that. Yeah.130001:17:16.239 --> 01:17:19.279
Absolutely, Uh, that's this part. This is part of conversation130101:17:19.359 --> 01:17:22.399
we had on that I had on the podcast for130201:17:22.439 --> 01:17:25.039
this most recent episode that we released of this week130301:17:25.079 --> 01:17:27.800
explain it was this trust issue. So the biggest issue130401:17:27.800 --> 01:17:33.399
between Israel and Hamas is trust. So when you say, well, okay,130501:17:33.560 --> 01:17:37.520
why does why is Israel not removing themselves from the130601:17:37.520 --> 01:17:40.720
West Bank? Well, because they don't trust Hamas to not130701:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.680
reinforce their defensive posture make it into an offensive posture,130801:17:45.720 --> 01:17:50.000
and then go across Israel's borders again in another October130901:17:50.039 --> 01:17:54.800
twenty twenty three effort to kidnap people. And then you go, so,131001:17:54.880 --> 01:17:58.079
then why is Hamas reacting in the way that they131101:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.079
do because they see in is really presence not in131201:18:02.840 --> 01:18:05.760
places that they're at, but along those buffer zones that131301:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.159
were built up, And it go, well, it's because a131401:18:08.199 --> 01:18:12.600
mass doesn't trust Israel not to fire rockets into their locations,131501:18:12.960 --> 01:18:17.840
which inevitably, because Hamas uses human shields, kills civilians. So131601:18:17.880 --> 01:18:21.600
there's a trust issue. How do you get back from131701:18:21.640 --> 01:18:22.760
that trust issue?131801:18:22.880 --> 01:18:23.199
Go?131901:18:23.199 --> 01:18:26.000
Go listen to that episode because Tiana actually makes a132001:18:26.319 --> 01:18:29.600
fabulous analogy for it, and I can't think of it132101:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.159
right now and I wouldn't do it justice, so I132201:18:31.520 --> 01:18:34.560
don't want to paraphrase it right now. But it is132301:18:34.600 --> 01:18:39.960
about trust and how long you can accept be how132401:18:40.000 --> 01:18:43.960
long you can accept not trusting someone but still giving132501:18:44.079 --> 01:18:46.840
them the opportunity to do the things that they're doing.132601:18:47.880 --> 01:18:50.000
She makes a very good, good point, go go check132701:18:50.079 --> 01:18:50.439
that out.132801:18:50.520 --> 01:18:53.079
There's a trust issue. But we also can't ignore the132901:18:53.119 --> 01:18:58.039
patterns of behavior over time. Absolutely, and every time there133001:18:58.079 --> 01:19:01.840
has been an opportunity to gain trust, you know, someone133101:19:01.920 --> 01:19:03.960
goes out of their way to screw it all up again.133201:19:04.239 --> 01:19:07.960
Unfortunately, this goes back to and we go, well, let's133301:19:08.000 --> 01:19:11.279
go back to give it to whose land this is?133401:19:11.680 --> 01:19:14.840
And people go, it's the Palestinian Yeah, I know, I133501:19:14.880 --> 01:19:18.319
don't have much time. No, I wanted to say it133601:19:18.359 --> 01:19:21.359
to this to this point I was listening to I133701:19:21.359 --> 01:19:25.399
think was the seventies. It was the Israeli Prime minister133801:19:25.520 --> 01:19:30.439
at the time who was talking about Palestinians. And they133901:19:30.479 --> 01:19:33.640
were told they said, or they were asked by a journalist,134001:19:33.880 --> 01:19:36.479
so what about the Palestinian plate? Don't you understand the134101:19:36.479 --> 01:19:41.239
Palestinian plate? And then she said, but what are you134201:19:41.279 --> 01:19:46.479
talking about Palestinian because we don't even know what Palestinian is?134301:19:46.479 --> 01:19:49.520
Is it? What are the borders now with Palestine? Because134401:19:49.560 --> 01:19:52.720
that's not what the initial borders were set. It was134501:19:52.760 --> 01:19:56.880
actually set further east into what was called trans Jordan. Yes,134601:19:57.000 --> 01:20:01.079
and now is Jordan that was Palestinian lands Syria. So134701:20:01.159 --> 01:20:04.359
do we give the Palestinians that land? Jordan wouldn't accept that.134801:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.520
Yeah, yeah, And that's why. That's why I said on134901:20:07.520 --> 01:20:09.359
one of the episodes I did about this situation where135001:20:09.399 --> 01:20:12.680
I kind of went down a little historic, well condensed135101:20:12.840 --> 01:20:13.760
historical rabbit hole.135201:20:14.079 --> 01:20:17.359
It's a thirty hour history.135301:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.319
But the reality is is that that's why when when135401:20:20.920 --> 01:20:22.840
when Trump made the statement about Gozen right away, you135501:20:22.840 --> 01:20:24.520
have Jordan going, no, screw that, We're not We're not135601:20:24.520 --> 01:20:27.279
gonna take these people. I'm like, but originally they were135701:20:27.319 --> 01:20:31.359
your people. Yep, they were a part of it. Sorry,135801:20:31.359 --> 01:20:33.199
I just had to just had to throw that in there.135901:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.800
But no, it's absolutely correct because that should be what136001:20:36.880 --> 01:20:39.479
people are arguing. You know, if you were on the136101:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.840
side of Israeli sovereignty, and I think everybody should be,136201:20:42.920 --> 01:20:46.680
we should all be on the side of sovereign land136301:20:48.199 --> 01:20:53.600
that if you were talking about sovereign borders and then136401:20:53.680 --> 01:20:58.039
you go, We'll give the Palestinians all of Palestine because136501:20:58.079 --> 01:21:01.319
that was theirs historically. No, so in fact it wasn't.136601:21:01.840 --> 01:21:06.560
They should actually take over Jordan and Syria and east136701:21:07.039 --> 01:21:11.399
of the River, and no one wants to have that136801:21:11.800 --> 01:21:15.439
conversation because it just it goes into too much nuance.136901:21:15.479 --> 01:21:19.279
And I understand that we can't. We very much can't137001:21:19.319 --> 01:21:22.600
comprehend it. It's not for us as common people. And137101:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.439
I put myself in that as a common person to137201:21:24.640 --> 01:21:28.960
understand all of this stuff. And so where do you137301:21:28.960 --> 01:21:33.199
put the Palestinian people. There was a two state solution137401:21:33.920 --> 01:21:36.359
that was put up in the sixties and the seventies137501:21:36.439 --> 01:21:39.800
and the eighties, and there was a country that agreed137601:21:39.800 --> 01:21:44.239
to the two state solution, Israel. There were multiple countries137701:21:44.279 --> 01:21:48.439
who didn't agree with the two state solution, Egypt, Palestine137801:21:48.600 --> 01:21:55.600
and Jordan. Why they knew. Egypt and Jordan especially new137901:21:56.640 --> 01:22:02.640
if you remove Israel from this area and you put138001:22:03.000 --> 01:22:07.159
all of this is Palestine, the country will collapse and138101:22:07.239 --> 01:22:09.159
Egypt and Jordan are going to have to deal with that,138201:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.039
and so it's going to cross over to their borders.138301:22:13.239 --> 01:22:15.720
And so they didn't they didn't agree to a two138401:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.880
state solution. The other aspect to it is they don't138501:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.840
trust the Jews. And I want to say that not Israel.138601:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.520
They don't trust the Jews. This is someone who is138701:22:25.680 --> 01:22:30.159
an Arab linguist. I have done Islamic culture, Islamic history.138801:22:30.840 --> 01:22:36.199
I am very astute into their thinking. The Jews are evil,138901:22:37.439 --> 01:22:39.960
that is the thinking. So a lot of times have139001:22:39.960 --> 01:22:43.720
a conversation about Israel and I say the Jews, and139101:22:43.800 --> 01:22:45.720
it's because they don't like the Jews. And people will139201:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.039
push back and say, no, it's Israel. They don't like Israel.139301:22:49.079 --> 01:22:51.600
Those aren't really Jews, And I go, no, what they139401:22:51.600 --> 01:22:55.479
are the Jews? And whenever Egypt talks about the state139501:22:55.520 --> 01:22:59.760
of Israel, there's very famous, not famously, but I remember139601:22:59.800 --> 01:23:01.760
this vividly. In two thousand and six or two thousand139701:23:01.800 --> 01:23:04.640
and seven, there was an earthquake that happened in Egypt,139801:23:04.960 --> 01:23:07.279
and we're watching it through Arab media because I'm going139901:23:07.279 --> 01:23:12.600
through the Arabic course, and the Egyptian media is saying140001:23:13.479 --> 01:23:17.920
not that Israel caused this earthquake, but that all the140101:23:18.000 --> 01:23:21.960
Jews across the world. This is mainstream Egyptian media. All140201:23:21.960 --> 01:23:25.079
the Jews across the world decided to jump at the140301:23:25.119 --> 01:23:30.640
same time and land, and it caused an earthquake in Egypt.140401:23:30.960 --> 01:23:34.000
That's the amount of distrust that they have for a140501:23:34.039 --> 01:23:35.159
singular religion.140601:23:36.600 --> 01:23:38.520
I want to point something out about that two state solution.140701:23:38.600 --> 01:23:41.039
It was actually uh, it was actually thrown out through140801:23:41.039 --> 01:23:44.439
discussed as far back as nineteen fourteen, nineteen sixteen, yes,140901:23:44.479 --> 01:23:47.600
but then actually had an official statement of a two141001:23:47.640 --> 01:23:49.720
state solution in nineteen twenty or so, and then just141101:23:49.840 --> 01:23:52.239
kept going from there all the way into the two thousands,141201:23:52.880 --> 01:23:54.720
which was in the two thousands was when it was141301:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.920
talked about the most, almost year after year after year141401:23:58.159 --> 01:24:00.920
up until twenty twenty three. And here we are, and141501:24:00.960 --> 01:24:03.279
you're right, I don't know what what the solution is there.141601:24:03.319 --> 01:24:05.600
I don't think any major world leaders ever going to141701:24:05.640 --> 01:24:07.399
have a solution for that area. I think the people141801:24:07.439 --> 01:24:10.560
are just gonna have to realize that they have to141901:24:10.640 --> 01:24:12.760
share that area, that land, and come up with a142001:24:12.800 --> 01:24:18.079
way to where each each people can can autonomously live142101:24:18.119 --> 01:24:21.439
according to their cultures and beliefs, and then maybe just142201:24:21.439 --> 01:24:23.039
figure out a way to come together when it comes142301:24:23.039 --> 01:24:27.119
to you know, trade, you know, trading goods. And I'm142401:24:27.119 --> 01:24:29.319
not sure why we can never get there. I mean,142501:24:29.560 --> 01:24:31.760
you do you understand because you did a deep dive142601:24:31.760 --> 01:24:35.880
of history and you're you're educated in that, but I142701:24:35.880 --> 01:24:39.640
think it's ridiculous and I and I hate that we142801:24:39.720 --> 01:24:41.880
keep getting dragged into it, although there are times that142901:24:41.920 --> 01:24:43.960
we put ourselves in there and I'm not sure why143001:24:43.960 --> 01:24:47.600
we needed to, but it's I just think it's sad143101:24:47.640 --> 01:24:50.680
for those people. You know, you can't throw up like143201:24:50.760 --> 01:24:51.520
a statement on it.143301:24:53.279 --> 01:24:57.159
Yeah, you can't, because it's this is people Hamas. They143401:24:57.159 --> 01:25:01.079
are a terrorist organization. I'm not gonna We're not going143501:25:01.159 --> 01:25:05.359
to throw that out. But they are used to Plasidian143601:25:05.399 --> 01:25:10.239
people to hide in and cover themselves right and make143701:25:10.279 --> 01:25:13.359
sure that they're not It's hard to decipher who they143801:25:13.359 --> 01:25:15.560
are basic because they're they're doing it under the guise143901:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.720
of UH supporting policy and people. Basically, you just have144001:25:18.760 --> 01:25:21.399
to be a cruel person to see a baby crying144101:25:22.399 --> 01:25:26.840
in Gaza and go, yeah, I don't give a shit, No,144201:25:26.960 --> 01:25:29.439
my heart goes out to that family. You can't be144301:25:29.520 --> 01:25:33.359
human if that's really are a tough situation. Now, I144401:25:33.399 --> 01:25:37.479
can disagree with the solutions for that situation, or I144501:25:37.520 --> 01:25:42.279
can disagree with saying that it was wrong for Israel144601:25:42.319 --> 01:25:44.479
to defend itself. I do think it was right for144701:25:44.600 --> 01:25:48.279
Israel to defend itself, but to see a mother and144801:25:48.439 --> 01:25:52.920
child out in the open crying and suffering and you're144901:25:53.000 --> 01:25:55.439
just gonna say, I don't give a shit. I'm that145001:25:55.439 --> 01:25:58.840
that's inhumane to me. So that's not what we're that's145101:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.600
not what we're saying at all. We have to come145201:26:02.640 --> 01:26:06.000
to a solution that is good for all people, and145301:26:06.039 --> 01:26:09.039
the problem is that's not how society works.145401:26:09.920 --> 01:26:13.680
Well, let's start wrapping up. But before we do, have145501:26:13.840 --> 01:26:17.079
you observed anything anything out of the White House in145601:26:17.119 --> 01:26:19.239
terms of a statement or some kind of plan involving145701:26:19.279 --> 01:26:22.159
Gauza in that area or is it still kind of145801:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.760
Trump made the statement and people are still like, well, wait,145901:26:25.000 --> 01:26:25.560
what do we do?146001:26:26.159 --> 01:26:28.039
So I'll go back to things that I can't talk146101:26:28.039 --> 01:26:33.680
about publicly. Those statements from the White House have made146201:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.840
other countries react to it in a way that's going146301:26:36.880 --> 01:26:39.479
to be positive in the future. That's all I'll say146401:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.279
on that, Okay, And I don't so I'm going to146501:26:42.319 --> 01:26:44.840
say right now, my assessment is it is unlikely the146601:26:45.039 --> 01:26:50.239
US is going to be involved with people on the146701:26:50.279 --> 01:26:53.800
ground in Gaza because of the pressure that's being put146801:26:53.840 --> 01:26:56.800
on right now by the Trump administration for other countries146901:26:57.640 --> 01:26:58.920
to do something about.147001:26:58.720 --> 01:27:01.760
It, as it should be in my opinion. Yeah, all right, Well,147101:27:02.920 --> 01:27:04.800
I think We're at the end of our time for you,147201:27:05.560 --> 01:27:10.520
and thanks for all the info and assessment. I like147301:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.520
having you on because we're able to set things straight147401:27:12.880 --> 01:27:18.359
and give informed answers, not just you know, clickbait headlines147501:27:18.399 --> 01:27:19.760
just to get attention. You know.147601:27:20.159 --> 01:27:23.399
I think that's my problem sometimes. I've had this debate147701:27:23.479 --> 01:27:27.319
with myself about why I'm why my morals and ethics147801:27:27.319 --> 01:27:29.279
are so important to me that I can't just go147901:27:29.319 --> 01:27:33.680
on Twitter and be like a like a Jack Post,148001:27:33.760 --> 01:27:37.239
a bec or whatever that just says ridiculous stuff just148101:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.960
because you don't need people to like it. You just148201:27:40.960 --> 01:27:43.520
need people to engage with it. That's not what I'm148301:27:43.520 --> 01:27:46.039
here for. And honestly, if you don't like what I'm saying,148401:27:46.439 --> 01:27:48.840
please engage with me and tell me where I'm wrong.148501:27:48.960 --> 01:27:52.560
I George knows this. I'm open to being wrong. If148601:27:52.560 --> 01:27:54.079
you're going to tell me I'm wrong and show me148701:27:54.079 --> 01:27:55.880
where I'm wrong, I'm going to admit to it, to148801:27:55.960 --> 01:27:58.359
being wrong. Unlike some other people that we've had on148901:27:58.399 --> 01:28:01.960
our podcast before, I hear you.149001:28:02.039 --> 01:28:04.560
But listen, here's here's what I want people to take149101:28:04.600 --> 01:28:06.760
away from this. And you've been on here three times149201:28:06.760 --> 01:28:09.560
on this show and the reality is this. You're talking149301:28:09.560 --> 01:28:11.920
from a perspective of someone who's still in the intelligence community.149401:28:12.000 --> 01:28:14.760
So you're getting information that while you can't, while you149501:28:14.760 --> 01:28:20.159
can't divulge everything because there's ongoing investigations or missions, et cetera,149601:28:21.119 --> 01:28:24.199
you are coming from a place of having firsthand knowledge.149701:28:24.359 --> 01:28:26.359
And I think that's important for people to realize. It's like,149801:28:27.239 --> 01:28:29.359
I'm not having you here just because you're some popular149901:28:29.399 --> 01:28:32.079
guy or some guy on the news or whatever it is,150001:28:32.119 --> 01:28:35.359
because you actually have insight on what's really happening and150101:28:35.399 --> 01:28:37.359
you could be and you tend to give it to150201:28:37.359 --> 01:28:39.920
people objectively, which is which is a hard thing to150301:28:40.000 --> 01:28:43.880
find these days. Everybody has some kind of objective when150401:28:43.880 --> 01:28:46.680
it comes to delivering information, and you tend to try150501:28:46.680 --> 01:28:48.239
to stay in the middle of all that, which is150601:28:48.319 --> 01:28:50.760
exactly the way it should be. Yeah.150701:28:50.760 --> 01:28:53.039
Absolutely, that's what I always say. I think you take.150801:28:53.600 --> 01:28:56.479
The reason I listened to two extremes is because I150901:28:56.520 --> 01:28:59.720
do feel that the truth is somewhere in the middle,151001:29:00.159 --> 01:29:01.920
and so I want to know what those extremes are151101:29:02.000 --> 01:29:06.199
saying so that I can actually understand what's legitimately happening151201:29:06.279 --> 01:29:07.920
in the run. And I think everyone should do that.151301:29:08.239 --> 01:29:10.840
If you're a conservative and say I don't watch MSNBC151401:29:11.039 --> 01:29:13.720
because I think they're stupid, I would say, you're wrong.151501:29:13.720 --> 01:29:16.279
You should listen to it so that you know their151601:29:16.359 --> 01:29:20.439
feelings about things that you feel or the way that's151701:29:20.479 --> 01:29:24.760
going on in the world. It first of all helps151801:29:24.760 --> 01:29:28.039
you strengthen your own arguments for what your worldview and151901:29:28.079 --> 01:29:31.159
what you believe is truly going on. But then it152001:29:31.199 --> 01:29:36.880
also helps you appreciate how others feel about your beliefs152101:29:36.920 --> 01:29:40.560
and your worldview, and so then you can't have legitimate152201:29:40.600 --> 01:29:44.399
conversations with them, and those legitimate conversations say I understand152301:29:44.439 --> 01:29:48.680
where you're coming from because I've heard it, but here152401:29:48.760 --> 01:29:50.840
is why I think it's different, And I think we152501:29:50.880 --> 01:29:53.600
need to get back to having those type of discussions152601:29:53.640 --> 01:29:54.239
in this world.152701:29:54.680 --> 01:29:57.800
Two things I'll say on that. One, you're right, because152801:29:57.880 --> 01:30:02.319
I do digest on will sometimes, but I make myself152901:30:02.359 --> 01:30:04.279
listen to pod Save America a once a while. And153001:30:06.520 --> 01:30:09.159
and two, I think people just need to have these conversations,153101:30:09.159 --> 01:30:11.079
like when you're at the bar, you're at a pub, whatever, man,153201:30:11.159 --> 01:30:14.079
don't be afraid to just talk. I had this experience153301:30:14.399 --> 01:30:17.800
recently with someone who was basically a hardcore leftist, but153401:30:17.960 --> 01:30:19.439
you know he was the bartender. By the time we153501:30:19.439 --> 01:30:23.119
were done discussing. I hey, look, I stayed I stayed back,153601:30:23.279 --> 01:30:26.039
held back just because I wanted to know and understand153701:30:26.279 --> 01:30:27.880
why do you think the way you do and where153801:30:27.920 --> 01:30:29.840
you're coming from. And people need to be able to153901:30:30.000 --> 01:30:33.119
do more of that. And whether you disagree with someone154001:30:33.199 --> 01:30:35.720
doesn't it doesn't matter. You still have to understand why154101:30:35.760 --> 01:30:38.279
they got there. You still have to have an idea154201:30:38.319 --> 01:30:39.760
of why they feel the way they do so that154301:30:39.800 --> 01:30:42.720
you can make a better argument or be understanding. Just154401:30:42.760 --> 01:30:43.399
be understanding.154501:30:43.760 --> 01:30:47.520
Yeah, I agree with that. Just that was the first154601:30:47.560 --> 01:30:49.760
thing I was going to say after you were talking154701:30:49.760 --> 01:30:51.960
about when you're at a bar or at a pub154801:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.680
and have a conversation with people, come at it not154901:30:54.840 --> 01:31:01.000
don't be disingenuous about it, meaning don't identify that person's155001:31:01.239 --> 01:31:03.880
bias and then go I'm gonna I'm only going to155101:31:03.960 --> 01:31:06.920
interject myself to call them out where I believe that155201:31:07.000 --> 01:31:07.439
they're wrong.155301:31:07.600 --> 01:31:08.560
I think that's the wrong approach.155401:31:08.600 --> 01:31:11.600
I'm at it from the perspective of I want I'm155501:31:11.600 --> 01:31:13.319
going to engage with this person because I want to155601:31:13.319 --> 01:31:15.560
hear their point of view, and then I want to155701:31:15.600 --> 01:31:17.760
tell them. I want to let them know what my155801:31:17.880 --> 01:31:20.520
point of view is and have a conversation about it.155901:31:21.039 --> 01:31:23.840
Yeah. That or just walk away with the knowledge, you know,156001:31:24.960 --> 01:31:27.920
just walk away with the knowledge. All right, Well you156101:31:27.960 --> 01:31:28.640
want to wrap it up?156201:31:29.039 --> 01:31:32.800
Yeah, man, yeah, you got like a minute last but.156301:31:32.800 --> 01:31:35.800
Yeah, it's okay, We're good, We're good. Let's just end156401:31:35.840 --> 01:31:39.119
the show. Thanks for coming on, man, listen, and you,156501:31:39.119 --> 01:31:41.079
you and I will connect after this anyway. I'm sure156601:31:41.119 --> 01:31:43.279
obviously there's just way too much going on in the world.156701:31:43.640 --> 01:31:46.600
But thanks for giving us all the info and giving156801:31:46.760 --> 01:31:49.439
giving your take on things and kind of just clarifying156901:31:49.800 --> 01:31:53.399
all of this, because again, it's really hard to to157001:31:53.560 --> 01:31:56.239
basically cut cut out the noise of everything that's going on.157101:31:56.319 --> 01:32:01.800
It really is, so appreciate it, and I mean, listen, everybody,157201:32:01.960 --> 01:32:06.159
listen to this Week Explain. Please, it's good stuff, great information.157301:32:06.279 --> 01:32:08.760
You have to listen to it. If you like what157401:32:08.840 --> 01:32:10.720
I do, you're gonna like what Craven does better. I157501:32:10.760 --> 01:32:11.279
guarantee you.157601:32:12.560 --> 01:32:14.119
I don't know about that, but so what I want157701:32:14.119 --> 01:32:15.920
to say on that is, if you listen to This157801:32:15.960 --> 01:32:18.640
Week Explain, listen to World of Blaze, and if you157901:32:18.640 --> 01:32:22.159
listen to the World of Blaze this week, because we do158001:32:22.279 --> 01:32:24.840
have we differ. Uh maybe you don't hear it in158101:32:25.199 --> 01:32:27.239
this podcast, but listen to the first one that I158201:32:27.279 --> 01:32:30.399
did with with George here, and he pushed back on158301:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.640
a few things that that I was saying, and we actually,158401:32:34.399 --> 01:32:37.119
you know, came to an understanding of I don't know158501:32:37.119 --> 01:32:40.800
if we agree with the different perspectives, but we can158601:32:40.840 --> 01:32:44.560
agree that something's wrong and we just don't agree with158701:32:44.600 --> 01:32:49.159
the solution. Those are the conversations to have, and so listen,158801:32:49.439 --> 01:32:52.079
listen to both, put them both on your rotation. For me,158901:32:52.159 --> 01:32:55.479
it's it's an hour a week, that's all I'm asking159001:32:56.039 --> 01:32:59.159
one hour a week. I believe you you can do159101:32:59.279 --> 01:33:01.079
up to three or four hours.159201:33:00.840 --> 01:33:01.880
At a time. Times.159301:33:01.960 --> 01:33:05.720
Yeah, and and some you know, one day when I159401:33:05.800 --> 01:33:08.800
have a full twenty four hours to just do nothing,159501:33:09.479 --> 01:33:10.920
I want to come on and we can see how159601:33:10.920 --> 01:33:15.239
long we can talk for. But oh wow, I'm not159701:33:15.439 --> 01:33:19.680
talking about, you know, two hours a day.159801:33:19.159 --> 01:33:22.560
I think at that point, at that point, I'm either159901:33:22.600 --> 01:33:24.279
going to have to fly you here or whatever, and160001:33:24.319 --> 01:33:26.600
we're just gont to throw a barbecue, turn turn on160101:33:26.640 --> 01:33:28.399
the record button, have a few beers, and just see160201:33:28.439 --> 01:33:28.960
how it comes out.160301:33:29.079 --> 01:33:32.920
Yeah, I absolutely think that that's what we should be doing.160401:33:33.159 --> 01:33:36.640
I just want to again thank you for inviting me on, uh,160501:33:37.039 --> 01:33:39.319
letting me do this. And I say a lot of160601:33:39.319 --> 01:33:41.920
things and I ramble a lot. You'll anybody who gets160701:33:41.920 --> 01:33:45.439
to know me knows that's my personality because I'm trying160801:33:45.479 --> 01:33:48.560
to not lose the information that I have and so160901:33:48.880 --> 01:33:51.319
I want to get it out there. And I love161001:33:51.439 --> 01:33:53.720
people that push back on what I'm thinking. Gives me161101:33:53.800 --> 01:33:56.840
a chance to stop. Like Jordan Peterson would say, stop,161201:33:57.680 --> 01:34:02.560
think about the response, and then respond to it. I161301:34:02.600 --> 01:34:05.079
try to do that a lot more in my day161401:34:05.119 --> 01:34:09.680
to day engagements with people. Still, thanks, thanks again, honestly161501:34:09.720 --> 01:34:10.760
from the bottom of my heart.161601:34:10.800 --> 01:34:12.600
Thank you from you know you're always you know, you're161701:34:12.600 --> 01:34:14.159
always welcome. You just need to reach out to if161801:34:14.199 --> 01:34:15.039
you wanted to have a talk.161901:34:15.239 --> 01:34:17.520
Absolutely I have a tough time doing that as well.162001:34:17.880 --> 01:34:21.319
No, just you got my number. Just do it all right, man,162101:34:21.399 --> 01:34:22.479
Let me let you go that way you can get162201:34:22.479 --> 01:34:26.239
on with your day. And again, thanks, thanks again.162301:34:26.479 --> 01:34:28.960
That sounds good. We'll do this again as always.162401:34:29.039 --> 01:34:31.840
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