Feb. 19, 2025

64 - Russia Peace Talks, JD Vance Scolds Europe, and Trump's Gaza Plan with Kervin Aucoin

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In this episode, we dive deep into the intricate dance of international diplomacy with special guest Kervin Aucoin. We start by analyzing the recent developments in the peace talks between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin regarding the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. What does this mean for the future of the war, and how might it reshape international relations?

We then shift our focus to U.S. Vice President JD Vance's outspoken critique of the European Union at the Munich Security Conference. Vance's comments have stirred controversy, accusing the EU of not contributing enough to NATO, neglecting their citizens, and failing to defend themselves adequately. We explore the implications of these statements on transatlantic relations and what it could signal for future U.S.-EU collaborations.

Finally, we touch upon Trump's proposed plan for Gaza, where Kervin Aucoin shares his insights on the potential impacts and the broader geopolitical strategy behind these moves. Join us as we unpack these complex issues, offering a balanced perspective on the shifting sands of global politics.

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You are listening to a Fond Media Network production. Hello

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World Blade listeners. On today's episode, I welcome back Curvin Oakwyn,

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host of This Week Explain and owner of oakwn Analytics.

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Curvin gives us his assessment and insight on what's going

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on with the peace negotiations between Trump and Putin and

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what that means for the war in Ukraine. We then

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move our attention on to comments made by jd Vance

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to the EU and how that affects our relationships, as

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well as Trump's statement about America owning Gaza. This is

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a very insightful conversation. Okay, so now we're recording and

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welcome back Curvin.

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He thank you.

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This is our second time starting this according because Riverside

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just didn't like us for some reason. No jab at Riverside,

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but maybe our hardware or mine isn't isn't up to

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up to snuff, I guess, but whatever. Anyway, we're on

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Zoom and you had a lot to say on everything

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that's going on recently, and I needed to hit you

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up on what's happening because we need clarity, right So

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we got we got Trump saying I'm making a deal

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with with Putin and Vladimore's Zelensky or Vladimir is Lynsky

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saying I'm not going to be involved with that, or

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they're not letting him be involved with it, and then

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he doesn't. He's saying that, well, I'm not sure I

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agree to a piece deal. You have Trump saying that

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we're gonna own Gaza and run it whatever that means,

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and I mean what else? Oh and JD. Van's telling

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the EU that they need to step up and basically

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protect themselves and then calls them out on whether or

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not they're democratic enough for their own citizens. So, yeah,

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there's a lot to be said just on that. I'm

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sure they want to start. I'm gonna let you start

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because I know that I know that you have definitely

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insight and opinions as well as data I'm sure just

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off the top of your head to present on all

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of this. Actually, you know, let's do this curve. Let's

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start with let's start with the Ukraine piece deal or

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you know, the alleged piece deal that that's happening. What

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is your overall thoughts on that? You know, it's is Trump?

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Is Trump taking the right approach? And and and also

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you know he's he's a businessman, and he's really big

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on we're giving you X amount of money, So now

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you're going to have to use your mineral rights as

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collateral and give us those rights that we can be

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paid back on everything we invested into Ukraine. What do

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you think?

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Yeah, I think you absolutely said it, Uh correct at

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the very beginning. He's a businessman, he's not a politician,

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and that's why people love him, and that's why people

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hate him. So starting off with the with the Ukraine

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peace deal is the perfect way to do this because

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I think that is what is getting the most to

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play in the media and on social media, and it's

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that first that he admitted he talked to Vladimir Putin,

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and people are getting upset about that. Get I get

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Vladimir Putin as the aggressor in this, but you have

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to talk to both sides. Biden's issue his entire administration

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since the war kicked off in Ukraine or rekicked off

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some would say, in twenty twenty two in February of

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twenty twenty two, is that there was no dialogue with Putin.

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After that there was only dialogue with Selensky. And so

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if you are a mediator and you're only having conversations

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with one side. You're not going to come to a deal.

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So I don't get this uproar about oh you know,

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I mean, I get it. Yes, I do get it.

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Trump's a puppet for Russia and Putin. That's what everybody

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on the left believes, everyone who dislikes and believes he's

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just some Putin puppet. Having worked within the Department of

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Defense in overt Russian anti Russian aggression during the Trump administration,

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I can tell you he's not a puppet for Putin. Yes,

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the things that he says in public are used or

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through the media in open dialogue are usually things that

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are discussed in private. I brought this up with somebody

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recently who was wondering about the Hamas situation and how

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Trump said publicly in an open interview that if Hamas

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doesn't release all of the hostages, not just the three

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hostages agreed upon during the ceasefire, that the ceasefire is

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going to be null and void, and Israel's gonna be

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able to do everything that they want and the purpose.

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Like the person said that, he can't say that, why

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would he do that? And my my response to that was,

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these are the exact conversations that every administration has during

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these situations, but it's done behind closed doors. It's done

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face to face to whoever right. If you're saying it

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to Benjamin Netanyah, who you would say behind closed doors

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to Benjamin Netanyah, Who's face. That's the difference with Trump,

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and the reason he does that is because he understands

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that the only way to hold people accountable is by publicly,

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either publicly shaming them or publicly identifying the left and

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right modes of the deal. And that's what he did

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public Look, Barack Obama would have said the exact same

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thing behind closed doors to who, to the leadership in

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in Hamas, to the leadership of Iran. That's it he

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would have said. And you can love or hate Obama

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for whatever kind of actions he did publicly, he was

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very diplomatic about things. And I can tell you when

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having worked in that administration from a special operations standpoint,

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that behind the scenes was a completely different person. Behind

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the scenes, he would hold people accountable to their face.

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So what we're seeing is somebody who does that in

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a public sphere, and a lot of people around the world.

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Leaders from around the world do not like that. They

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do not like their dirty laundry to be aired out,

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and Trump doesn't care, and that's what he's gonna do.

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I think that's an excellent point because what you said

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about him negotiating and holding people accountable, He's using the

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public to hold world leaders and other leaders, even in

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our own country in America, accountable, and that's never been done.

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I talked about this with my brother on one of

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our shows we do and I'm so glad you're saying it,

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because nobody is saying this. They're not understanding what he's doing.

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I'm not saying he's perfect, believe me. Trump is a

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wild card for sure, but the way he's going about this,

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you got to say or admit it's it's pretty smart

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of him to do because it's getting things done. Mean,

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you know, before, in behind closed doors, most of these

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situations would never we wouldn't see any progress. We just wouldn't.

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And I'm not I can't understand his tactic others other

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than it is all about negotiations. I also can't understand,

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going back to what you said, is as to why

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are people so upset that he's engaging Putin and trying

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to have a conversation to see if we can come

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to a deal, and then Zelensky's going out publicly saying

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I'm not gonna support any piece deal, and I'm trying

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to understand that and why the EU is now hating

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the America for even having Trump even mention Putin's name. Oh,

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he's the enemy. You shouldn't be talking or negotiating with

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him at all. But then all of a sudden they

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backtrack and now they want to negotiate themselves with Putin

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for getting the energy back from Russia because it's it's

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more robust and reliable than whether what they're trying to

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do now. It's like there's there's way too many contradictions

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going on right now with what's happening with Europe, Russia,

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and Ukraine. It's like I'm trying to cut to them

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through the noise. It's like you were talking about social

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media earlier offline before we started recording. It's like, it's

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so hard, it's so hard to vet the information because

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you know, our mainstream media isn't doing a good job

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of it. A lot of people turn to social media

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because a lot of investigative journalists and people on the

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inside are now just using their platforms to get the

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info out, but it is really still really hard to

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cut through the noise.

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I want to go back to why would Selensky say

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the things that he's saying. Why does the EU say

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what they're It's this is all leverage, and that in

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any negotiation, that's what you want. You want to have

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the leverage in the negotiation to get what you want. Now,

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on the EU side, when they talk about you, you

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cannot talk to Putin. You cannot have a conversation with Putin.

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That is more telling about themselves than it is about

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Vladimir Putin. And here's the reason I say that. And

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I say that on a personal level as well, when

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I talk to people who have an emotional response to something,

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and the Stoics say this as well, Your immediate response

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to what somebody tells you says more about yourself than

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it does the person that you're responding to. And I

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think that's what we have with the EU right now,

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the EU or the European Union or Europe as a

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whole to and I'll put Canada in this as well.

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They're getting dragged through the mud, So why don't I

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do that as well? They were lied to by Putin

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for months leading up to the invasion of Ukraine. There

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is that very famous photo of Macron from France on

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the other side of one hundred foot table with Putin,

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and they came away from that, so they had a discussion.

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That was Macron and Putin having a discussion. Macron came

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away from that and said, I have talked to the guy.

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I looked him in the eyes. I trust him. He

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says he's not going to invade. Two weeks later, he

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invades Ukraine. I think some of that is a trust

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issue with Europe because they were wrong. This is the

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whole reason I started my podcast was to call out

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Russia for their aggressive actions on Ukraine because I saw

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the war coming and I was trying to prevent it.

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I was trying to get enough information out there that

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people would listen and maybe prevent this special military operation

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in Ukraine. And it didn't happen because European leaders said

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they thought they were smarter than everybody else. They sat

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in a room with Putin and he liked them. He said,

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I'm not looking to invade Ukraine. I'm just trying to

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stop NATO from further expansion. At that point, NATO had

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no desire to expand Sweden, Finland, Ukraine. Yeah, they talked about,

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oh maybe we would invite them, but none of those

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countries had publicly put up and offered themselves to be

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invited into NATO. And that's how NATO works. If anybody

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is listening, you don't know how NATO works. NATO doesn't

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just pick a country and then vote and say now

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you are officially in NATO and you have you can't

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agree or disagree with that. What happens is a country

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like Sweden and Finland, which we just saw, will ask

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to be invited in to NATO. NATO will have a

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debate about it and say is this country does this

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country spend enough in defense? Are they, you know, not

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corrupt enough to be involved in NATO? And then every

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single country has to approve it. Every single country, one

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percent of the countries have to approve NATO membership. That's

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how it works. NATO doesn't get to just go now

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you're a part of it, because if they could, they

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would have just gone Russia, now you're a part of

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NATO and putin you're out as president. That I do

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believe has some Russians worried because they think that is

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how it works. That's that's not how it works. I

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don't think Ukraine will ever. I'm not going to say

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never because I don't work in absolutes. You know that

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it would take decades to get Ukraine into NATO because

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it's corrupt, Their military spending is not enough, their economy

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isn't stable enough. They just wouldn't be allowed into NATO.

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Well, let's talk about that NATO Peaceful Festival. Okay, Even

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with that being said, because this is a great explanation

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of NATO membership, it's not. It's not just suddenly one

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person goes, hey, we're gonna make this country apart in

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NATO and use it as a weaponization method against another country,

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way to way to defend or weaponize against another country.

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But did you did you feel or did you know

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if Russia was looking at NATO as slowly encroaching closer

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and closer in on their territories. Is that a truth

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or was that just a talking point made up to

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just steer the public towards, you know, whatever support that

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the administration wanted at the time.

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Yeah, look, so I think two things can be true

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at the same time. I do think that Russia as

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a whole is was very or is very nervous about

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NATO encroachment. They saw it in Bosnia whenever they were

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asked to come in and defend with the war between

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the Bossians and the Serbs. I do think that was

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a legitimate fear, And I also think the other thing

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is true that Putin used that fear to invade Ukraine

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under the auspice of him saying, well, we just want

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to protect ourselves and we're going to bring back the

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Russian speaking portions of Ukraine back into Russia where they belong,

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where Ukrainian citizens actually feel more Russian than they do Ukrainian.

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Oh but wait, if that's true, why in the first

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few weeks did you try to take over Kiv and

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install your government into Kiev and they failed miserably? And

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we cannot forget about that, because I do think Putin

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wants He's got the Russian people forgetting about it. But

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I think on the global stage, we can't forget about that.

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He made a move for Kiv. Anyone who tells you

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he had no desire to go to the capital of Ukraine,

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he made a I know personally, I sat into meetings.

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This has got to be declassified now. If it's not,

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come at me, Bro, I can put this stuff out.

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There were three contingency plans that the US already knew

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as the invasion was going to start. These were the

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three opportunities that Putin was going to make to to

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go into Kiev. One was going to use the Nepro River.

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That's what we all thought. The most logical thing to

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do was capture that portion by the Nepro River, go

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from the south to the north into it, and then

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take Kiev at that point. The other option was just

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a land grab and just keep continuing west as you're

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fighting on the ground, from the border from Ukraine and

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Russia's border into Kiev. And then the third one whichever

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I mean even I did at this point reading up

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on it and being in these being in these meetings

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with high ranking officials, saying the third thing he could do,

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and the one that's going to fail, and it would

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be dumb if he did it, is to fly from

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Belarus through military avenues into Kiev and try to take

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over the capital of Kiev. And the way to do

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that is you have to do just like the US

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did with Iraq, as we're moving in to Baghdad, US

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troops take over at Baghdad International Airport. They courted off

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the airport to allow military flights into the airport, and

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then you've kind of taken over the capital at that point.

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That's what Putin tried to do. I think he saw

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what the US did and how it took weeks instead

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of months to take Baghdad in Iraq, and he said

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that seems like the most viable position for me. It

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was a miscalculation and he failed on that. But I

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said all that just to let everyone know, if you're

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listening to this, that was the intent, and he tried

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to do it, and you can go back and you

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can read anything for Military Strategy and articles from February

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of twenty twenty two and it talks about it. It

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was a complete failure. Putin doesn't want anybody to know

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about that. But right now everybody's just trying to get

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leverage in this and absolutely that's what you're going to

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want to do in a peace deal or any negotiation.

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You want to cease fire negotiation that you know, because

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this war isn't one or loss right now, we're at

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a stalemate. A peace deal signed two day should be

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even for both sides, because that's what we're seeing on

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the ground. That problem is.

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I'm sorry, no forth before you finish your point. I

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think I think that surprised everybody at what surprised the

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world is you Tran's ability to fend Russia off, And

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I think the I think people underestimate how strongly the

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people of that land have that connection to being autonomous

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and independent and wanting to live free within their land.

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We could debate, you know, their politics and whether democratic

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it does, that doesn't matter, but they were steadfast and

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defending themselves and nobody thought that they would they would

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be able to even stand up to big bad Russia,

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this large military that that is seen as such such

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a huge world power, and little old Ukraine is holding

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Putin off. Now it could be argued that Russia is

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not really unleashing their their full abilities and capabilities. You know,

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they're not launching that against Ukraine. But at the same time,

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as far as it comes to the land battle, it's

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really amazing how Ukraine's been able to hold up, which

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is which is nuts. So and you said this is

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a stalemate, because it is right now, it's a stalemate.

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What else were you going to say about that stalemate

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before I cut you off? Oh?

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Yeah, So there's just so much commentary on all of

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this that if you say this is a stalemate, you

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are either so pro Ukraine or so pro Russia. And

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I always try to tell people it's like, no, you

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are the one that's biased towards one side or the other.

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This is legitimately a stalemate. Nothing has moved. The borders

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have not moved since the annexation in September of twenty

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twenty three, I believe was the official annexation of the

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eastern portion of Ukraine as we see it today, as

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the lines are drawn right now. And there's a very

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popular video of the Korean War and it shows you

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how the borders of North and South Korea were created.

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That pretty much was a stalemate war as well, and

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they drew the borders in half between North and South Korea.

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That's what we're seeing right here. The borders now are redrawn. Now.

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The global community doesn't accept how Russia has redrawn those

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I will tell you absolutely Russia redrew those borders, but

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they're there and they have that land right now. There

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is no way that putin in a ceasefire deal or

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a peace deal, will accept anything less than what Russia

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has recently annexed, So you can forget about that eastern portion.

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This is I mean, George, come on, you know me.

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I am a staunch supporter of Ukraine. I really am.

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I don't care what anybody else says. I think what

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Putin did invading Ukraine was wrong. But I'm also pragmatic

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and I'm practical, and I'm logical. You're not going to

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get him to agree to moving those borders back.

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I think what's really interesting though, is that, hey, here's

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a smart way for Ukraine and Europe to debate the ceasefire.

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Right now, Ukraine holds a portion of Russia and that's

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the curse region they have that they can use that

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as leverage because Ukraine doesn't want to hold cursed I

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guarantee you they don't want it. The people there don't

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want them there. It would just be like you know,

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Iraq for the United States for ten years, it's going

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to be insurgency in fighting.

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And that's something Ukraine can't back in the law.

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No, yeah, absolutely not. But you can use that as

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leverage to say, okay, we will remove our forces from curse.

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We don't want that area, but you have to give

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us something that's comparable. It's a curse. I think Ukraine

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needs to do that.

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What about though, I agree with everything you're saying because

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I see it the same way, even though I don't

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have the insight infol you do, but I see it

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the same way even from the outside looking in. But

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what do you think of of Zelensky's statements about saying

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that he's not going to agree to a peace deal.

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Well, I think we have to take everything that people

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say that world leaders say in public with a grain

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of salt. And what I'm saying here is publicly these

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are the things they have to say. Goes back to leverage.

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You lose your leverage if you go out in front

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of the media and say I've read the peace deal

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and I like this, this and this, and then leave

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it at that. That means your adversaries, who were watching

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that and absolutely watching what you're saying on a day

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to day basis, go, Okay, here are the things that

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we know for fact that they are going to accept,

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so you can check those off. What more do we

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think they are going to be willing to accept? And

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now we can present everything that we know that they

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said publicly that they're willing to accept, plus these other things,

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and when they push back, we go, yeah, but you

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already said you were willing to accept this stuff, So

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we know where you stand. You're going to have to

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come to an agreement. You're gonna have to meet us

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in the middle with all of this. So Zelensky's just being,

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you know, very political and diplomatic about it. Ukraine at

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this point, because we talked about it being a stalemate.

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Ukraine does not have to accept a peace deal. They

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absolutely do not know. They can keep fighting, they can

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keep they can keep throwing bodies at this There's now

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leverage with the Trump administration and with Putin that if

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they don't accept it, that there's possibly something that comes

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out of that where Russia says, okay, well, if you're

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not going to accept it, then just like in Gaza

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with Israel, we're going to go scortch to earth on you.

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And you were very astute in saying that Russia did

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not put they didn't put the full force of the

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Russian military against Ukraine. And I think people need to

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understand this. We laugh at Russia because they can't fend

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off this small, tiny Ukrainian military. But they have not

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put the full force of their military behind it. They

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really haven't. They've really it's been mostly a ground war.

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They have not really used their air force, they have

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not used their naval forces. Yeah. No, and the full

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force of the Russian military would crush Ukraine.

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I think with strategic airstrikes alone, that would decimate most

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of Ukraine's military force.

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Yeah, but it would overplay Putin's hand, I think true.

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Yeah, no disagreement there. It's just crazy how people don't

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see that Russia hasn't gone full on in this. Yeah,

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there's reasons putting the holding back. But I want to

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leave this and go to another subject here in a minute.

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But Okay, the the big, the big question, the big,

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the big question, especially after after Trump's statements after he

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became elected and even currently, is this, if there isn't

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a piece deal, is the US really going to step

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in militarily at this point?

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Uh, that's a very interesting question. I don't want to

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take Trump out of the equation here, because for all

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of the bluff and bluster and oh he's just pro Russia,

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he has stated if Russia doesn't agree to a ceasefire

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or they're not willing to sit come to the table.

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He is going to put troops on the ground in Ukraine,

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So that's all part of it. Do I think US

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troops are going to be on the ground in Ukraine

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fighting side by side with Ukrainians against Russia in this

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particular phase of the conflict. Absolutely not. Are US forces

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in Ukraine helping the Ukrainians in a sort of an

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assist measure? Yes, absolutely, That's the only way you can

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get US munitions into Ukraine is by showing them how

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to use it. What does the US get out of that,

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We get lessons learned from that? We have not. The

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US is not engaged in a peer on peer conflict

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since World War Two. True, we're talking almost so we

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were talking about seventy five years ago. No one living

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right now, no one working in the Department of Defense.

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There might be a couple of people in Congress, but

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no one working in the Department of Defense has ever

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fought in a peer peer conflict in the United States.

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And you know my assessment, in the next two to

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three years, the United States will be engaged in a

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conflict with a peer and we need to figure out

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what that's going to look like and do our munitions,

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do our equipment, does our military understand how to do that?

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And so we get lessons learned from the equipment that

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we give to Ukraine on how that battle will play

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out in a near near in a near peer or

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a peer peer conflicts.

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That's an interesting assessment but makes a lot of sense.

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But even our peers, for example, haven't been in a

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peer to peer conflict.

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Except for Russia. Now, well, okay, so Russia. Russia does

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see this as a peer peer conflict because of the

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munitions that NATO has given Ukraine got it, so.

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In their mind they feel this is yes, okay.

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But you're absolutely right. China is the same. Right, we'll

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talk about The last time we were at war with

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China was the Korean War, So it's a little bit

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after World War Two. The Korean War was fought between

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the communist in China and that northern Korean portion, now

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it was the full Korean Peninsula. Now what we know

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is South Korea. Those forces were battling against China and Communism,

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and so the US stepped in and helped and it

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was kind of a stalemate. Like I talked about that

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border is now drawn fifty to fifty right there, and

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it's that conflict has never ended. There was a ceasefire

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deal and that's still where we stand at this point.

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So that's something also to have in the back of

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your mind when you see these reports of a ceasefire,

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and even when it's agreed to you go, we have

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a peace deal. No, we have a ceasefire. There's a

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big difference. Conflict is still going on. People are still

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on edge. It's a ceasefire the moment. So okay, I'm

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trying not to ramble and go all over the place

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here too much.

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You're not You're not rambling. No, you're not rambling. And

467
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:18.480
I think it's important people understand the difference between a

468
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.960
ceasefire and a piece deal. A ceasefire is just giving

469
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.519
everybody a chance to back away, reassess things, come to

470
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.759
the table. It doesn't mean that there's an agreement, right.

471
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.559
And if people people confuse the two and and try

472
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.119
to try to say, oh, ceasefire, we've got a piece,

473
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:34.160
it's not piece yet.

474
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.680
We're not there yet. You're not going to hear about

475
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.920
a bunch of conflict, right. But the if you get

476
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.440
on the ground in at the border of Russian Ukraine.

477
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.319
You're gonna feel it, You're gonna know this. This is

478
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:52.119
not peace. Everyone is on edge. So what do I

479
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:57.359
think a ceasefire should look like if we're really talking

480
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.799
about a stalemate here? And both sides should be sitting

481
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:05.079
at the table. And I think Europe should be at

482
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:09.079
the table. It is their continent. They need to be there.

483
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.480
Trump is there. And I said this on the podcast,

484
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.400
and Tianna and I both agreed with this just this

485
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:21.119
past week, that we get lately the US is getting

486
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:26.119
laughed at in certain areas. Right whether you agree, whether

487
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.039
you're your staunchly right wing or left wing, and you

488
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.720
say one thing or another, it is an abject reality

489
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.920
that in some places the US is being laughed at.

490
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.319
I said, you can't laugh at the US and then

491
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:46.279
have them have the United States paying for ninety percent

492
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:50.559
of the defense of Europe and negotiating cease fire deals

493
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:54.119
all across the world. We're either the laughing stock of

494
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.000
the world or we are the country that has looked

495
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:01.079
the shining light on a hill that Reagan talked about

496
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:07.160
that this is what freedom looks like. I think we're

497
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.200
somewhere in the Middle there. Yeah, there are some things

498
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.920
that even I laugh at in regards to the United States,

499
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:19.559
and there are things that I do know wholeheartedly. The

500
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.079
US is the shining light on a hill of freedom.

501
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.799
So what do I think the ceasefire should look like?

502
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.759
Should it be even for both sides? That's relative. I

503
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:34.160
couldn't tell you what is even. Does Russia get those

504
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.839
annex regions? You have to They're there, they fought it.

505
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.519
This is a war. I get there. They're the aggressor.

506
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.799
The problem here is how do we How does the

507
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:52.680
international community keep this from happening again? And that's where

508
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:58.480
the Minsk two agreement. When so Russia invaded Crimea, they

509
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.160
took all they took over all of that. They had

510
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.079
a ceasefire deal. That was Minsk two. There was an

511
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.839
also Minsk one when Russia did it before, that took

512
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.880
nukes out. So the Minsk one took nuclear weapons out

513
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.079
of Ukraine. That gave Russian an opportunity without fear of

514
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:21.480
retaliation through nuclear weapons, to invade Ukraine for Crimea. Minsk

515
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:27.960
two was and this was the Obama administration. Minsk two

516
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:34.640
agreed very pro Russia that they get to keep Crimea

517
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.799
and that security guarantees for Ukraine were taken off the table.

518
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.480
This is when the conversation from Ukraine was we really

519
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.519
want to join NATO, we want those security measures in place,

520
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.960
and the international community told them, no, you're corrupt, we

521
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.960
don't really care about CRIMEA. I also think this is

522
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.319
the international community talking. I also think CRIMEO is really

523
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:02.000
Russian anyway, so we we should have that. Some people

524
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:06.119
may forget that Obama had a very good relationship with Putin,

525
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:11.400
very good relationship with Russia. He basically allowed CRIMEA to happen.

526
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.920
So we want to talk about Trump and Trump being

527
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.720
some Putin puppet. Go back to Obama. This is a

528
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.480
guy that when Mitt Romney was running for president and said,

529
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.319
Russia is one of our biggest adversaries and we need

530
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.680
to push back on what Putin is doing. Obama said,

531
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.480
the eighties are calling. They want their foreign policy back.

532
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:33.599
Everybody laughed. We voted for Obama again. Look where we

533
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:38.200
are now, between Russian and Ukraine. So what I say

534
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:44.000
is offer Ukraine security guarantees this time around. That being okay,

535
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:47.319
they can't join NATO, that doesn't mean you can't offer

536
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:53.559
them Article five protection. Vladimir Putin if you are very

537
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.160
if you are that nervous about NATO on your doorstep.

538
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.000
First of all, why would you take over Ukraine? Because

539
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:05.200
do you know what borders Ukraine Poland? It's a NATO country,

540
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.000
exactly the country I was I talk about in the

541
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:14.039
Trump administration. I was sent to Poland to do overt

542
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:19.079
anti Russian aggression with the Polish military. So if you're

543
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.719
really scared about NATO, why would you push your border

544
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:26.199
to NATO. And that's because, in my assessment, he's not

545
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:30.480
really worried about NATO. He wants Poland back, and he's

546
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.400
trying to get as close to that border as he

547
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.199
can to make a push for it, and then whenever

548
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.599
he feels like it's the right time, he will go

549
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.360
to war with NATO. That's a future thing that's five

550
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.239
to ten years from now, maybe maybe even even further

551
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.199
than that. But he might not even be alive anymore.

552
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.280
Putin's in his seventies. Who knows how long he's gonna

553
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:54.360
he's gonna stay alive.

554
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.000
I think the situation somew what you said, by the way,

555
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.079
you weren't rambling because canna lead into where we're gonna

556
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:01.400
go next.

557
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.960
Okay, good, because I don't feel like no.

558
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.000
No, no, no, no, no, no, you're you're kinda you're kind

559
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.559
of saying a few things that I was I was

560
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.559
wanting to touch on. Anyway, I'm going to just kind

561
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.679
of add a little bit more to this. Uh, what's

562
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.440
your statement right now? As far as Russia is concerned.

563
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:17.800
I think a lot of this could have been avoided

564
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.119
if if we literally did take Russia serious and try

565
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.320
to bring them into the EU in general years ago.

566
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.280
When Putin was trying to make that move, he wanted,

567
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.960
he wanted to interact with everybo didn't feel as part

568
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.119
of the community, but we kept shutting them down. Yep.

569
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:35.760
So after you keep telling such a strong, powerful nature

570
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.920
no no, no no all the time, I mean, I

571
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.000
think we kind of got what we got at this point,

572
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:46.480
but we can't ignore having having a good relationship with them,

573
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:48.800
regardless of if they're corrupt. Because the way I see

574
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.360
it is, Ukraine was considered the most corrupt country in

575
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.840
the world, literally, and everybody forgets that. Nobody wanted to

576
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.679
deal with them, you know, but yet everybody wants to

577
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.480
jump to their aid because oh, look at this small

578
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.920
country and look at big bad Russia. It's like it's

579
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.559
it's just such a bunch of hypocritical bullshit by our

580
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.239
world leaders. This could have been avoided from day one,

581
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.760
and a lot of it starts to me And I

582
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.000
may be wrong because you do this for a living,

583
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.079
but from my perspective, the EU or Europe should have

584
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.440
taken the reins of this situation a long time ago

585
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.880
to maintain these relationships and set the boundaries, and they

586
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:28.239
just didn't. It's exactly what you said. They seem to

587
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:32.079
wash their hands at things until America goes, wait a minute,

588
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.400
we got to start stepping in now, and then all

589
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.920
of a sudden, everybody has a fucking opinion. It's ridiculous.

590
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:42.039
Yeah, absolutely, and so I don't see the problem. There's

591
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.079
a lot of uproar now. And there's two sides of this,

592
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.039
but I'll get on the first side of it. That So,

593
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.960
there is a requirement that NATO countries have to spend

594
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:58.239
two percent of their GDP on defense spending. Trump wants

595
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.719
to has mentioned not wants to. I got to keep

596
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.519
going back to Trump purpolely. He has mentioned telling Europe

597
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.159
you need to ratchet that up to five percent. Well,

598
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.519
the US doesn't even do five percent. GDP towards defense spending,

599
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.880
it's four point two. Now I think no, But I do.

600
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:18.559
Have a graph here because I was going to go

601
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.639
into this. Yes, finish your statement. Fin stand first.

602
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.800
I'm glad you have a graph of this so we

603
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.000
can go through it, because I don't see the problem

604
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:32.679
with even five percent spending of GDP onto defense spending.

605
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.639
If you think that the country on your continent, Russia

606
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:41.719
Belarus is an existential threat to the country, to all

607
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.519
of the other countries on the continent. If you really

608
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.960
believe that, why would you spend less of your GDP

609
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.960
on defense spending and then get mad at people who

610
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.239
tell you need to spend more. Jd Vance, Pete Hexath,

611
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:59.280
who's the Secretary of Defense, I should say sect def

612
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:05.679
or defend. Secretary hexxth and Donald Trump have all mentioned

613
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.280
that this war is on the European continent and that

614
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.559
Europe needs to defend its own borders and stop relying

615
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.079
on the United States. I don't care where you stand.

616
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.920
That is an ab That is just the truth. It

617
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.880
is a factual statement. If Mexico invaded the United States

618
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:30.000
and the United States asked NATO to spend ninety percent

619
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.119
more funding than the United States is spending to defend itself.

620
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.920
The entire European Union would laugh in the face of

621
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.400
every American. They would say, why do we need to

622
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.719
control your borders when you can't control your borders, That's

623
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:50.159
what they would say. And so yes, if you think

624
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.679
it's an existential threat, defend yourself for it.

625
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.800
Right. So let's talk about NATO, because this isn't This

626
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.079
isn't all countries, but almost chart with this here, and

627
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.760
for example Poland, as far as defense spending percentage of GDP,

628
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:08.800
they spent about three.

629
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.480
Point Poland is Yeah, Poland is the greatest NATO country

630
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:13.320
in my opinion.

631
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.880
In fact, this chart here is as of I think

632
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:18.559
it was the end of twenty three, so it might

633
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.840
have shifted a bit, but from what I understand most countries,

634
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.719
everything kind of seems consistent according to this. At that time,

635
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.719
the US actually spent less than Poland. I think we're

636
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.960
around three point five percent, almost four like you said,

637
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.880
but we weren't quite there. And then Greece is behind us,

638
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.920
then Estonia, then Lithuania, Finland, and then it falls off

639
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.960
in France. Now here's the thing. France has always been

640
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.360
very vocal about everything. But they're spending less than two

641
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.000
percent or GDP. Canada is less than two percent, right,

642
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.039
Norway as well. Denmark also less than two percent, so

643
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:53.239
it's Germany. So these these are very telling. Can say again,

644
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.320
I already knew this, I knew these countries, but say

645
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.679
again the countries who were spending the most, and then

646
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.199
will go over who borders those countries? Right right?

647
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:08.000
Take the US out of it, right because we just well.

648
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:16.159
Right now we're looking at like Poland, yep, Houstonia yep, Lithuania, yep, Finland, Romania.

649
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.280
Actually there are at two point four percent. And who

650
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.320
are all those countries scared of Russia? Russia?

651
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.920
Absolutely they're spending is a direct reflection of how they

652
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:27.679
feel about Russia.

653
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:29.440
Interesting point, actually, so.

654
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.320
France, Germany, I think your spending should be a direct

655
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.599
reflection of how you feel about the security of the continent.

656
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:43.599
Those countries are allowing the other countries that border Russia

657
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.760
to spend on their own defense with outcoming to their defense.

658
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.000
That's how I view it.

659
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:53.679
Interesting take. Actually, uh yeah, that's an interesting take. I

660
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.079
mean attracts with when you look at the spending a

661
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.000
percentage of GDP, because even up there as one of

662
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:01.079
the top nations. I mean it's two percent two point

663
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.280
one or so is the United Kingdom or the UK.

664
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.719
But I just bring up France because there's They've been

665
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.760
so vocal, Germany's been so vocal, and none of these

666
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.559
countries do enough, I think for being as vocal as

667
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.119
they are. It's like, if you really care, then step up.

668
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:17.079
I mean, now they're sending you, like you said, or

669
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:19.280
their munitions and whatnot to Ukraina. For a while, they

670
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:21.760
weren't doing anything until the US did, and it's like,

671
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.000
this is the this is Europe. You should be handling

672
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.280
the situation, not waiting on the United States to take

673
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.400
care of things for you or wait for them to

674
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.159
raise their hand and say hey, I'm stepping in. Then

675
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:35.599
suddenly now it's okay. I don't think that's the right approach.

676
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.840
Or have Canada say I think you should do more

677
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.480
America and know why or why should and then we

678
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.159
talk about So we're just talking in percentages, right.

679
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.000
Yeah, And I got another one to go over with

680
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:49.440
you after you make this point here.

681
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:54.480
Okay, so we're just talking about percentages. Yes, then go

682
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.360
on your Google machine. Everybody who's listening and go look

683
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:02.320
at sheer numbers, So the United States will be number

684
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:05.119
one and all that because it's eight hundred and forty

685
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:10.119
billion dollars a year in defense spending. The UK is

686
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.400
at what one point what? Two point what did you say?

687
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:14.719
Two point three? Two point four?

688
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.840
It's two point one as of as of this point, yeah,

689
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.239
twenty twenty three. Yeah, end of twenty three.

690
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.519
So that's going to be in the hundreds of billions

691
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:31.039
as well. Poland, who spends the most with gd according

692
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:34.639
to just about four percent, is probably not even in

693
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.679
the top ten in sheer numbers just because their GDP

694
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.800
is not as high as other countries. I don't think

695
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.320
and in fact check me on this, I don't think

696
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:52.239
that Canada, who's a bigger economy than Poland, even in

697
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:56.800
sheer numbers, spends more than Poland does. So you can

698
00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.000
lose me Canada on trying to tell the United States

699
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.480
what they should be doing when you're not really doing enough,

700
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.639
and you have told NATO that you can't even get

701
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.199
to that the number that's required to be a NATO country.

702
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.280
Say this again, these are numbers that are required by

703
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:18.400
NATO to be a NATO country, and you're not even

704
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.360
living up to it.

705
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.679
And listen, frances what is less than to or they

706
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.519
were I don't know, I'd have to check current numbers,

707
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:28.639
but for years they were behind. Norway is less than

708
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:35.960
two percent, Denmark, Germany, Portugal, Man whatever, Italy, but.

709
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.559
No one wants to talk about Portugal.

710
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:40.639
Well I'm half Portuguese too, which is weird. But they

711
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:41.880
don't really get involved in anything.

712
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.840
Now they got the they got the coast, they're living

713
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:45.639
on the beach.

714
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:50.480
But Canada, to your point, as of as of this information,

715
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.320
which was end of twenty three, Canada was at one

716
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:54.320
point four percent.

717
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.840
And there is a two percent requirement. There's a two

718
00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:57.679
I'm looking.

719
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.719
At one two three. Let me see one two, three, four, six, seven,

720
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.039
eight nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

721
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.559
nineteen countries that are members of NATO that don't even

722
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:10.519
meet the two percent required.

723
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.880
Its over half of NATO countries, Yeah, that don't route

724
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.440
that don't reach the requirement.

725
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.960
Now, going to your your point about percentage, because people

726
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.840
look at percentages, right and they're saying, well, percentage GDP,

727
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:27.559
it doesn't it doesn't translate to actual money though, because

728
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.639
now we're talking about how large that piece of that

729
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.199
GDP actually is it. What's that number represent? Is it

730
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:37.559
one million, two million, three trillion, you know, three infinity whatever?

731
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.880
And I have this other graph that's talking about. This

732
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.719
is a more recent graph, by the way. It's NATO

733
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.840
member state spending as percentage of combined okay, and this

734
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.360
is the amount of money being paid into NATO, not

735
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.199
not just percentage of GDP. The US makes up over

736
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.679
seventy percent. I's gonna be I was gonna stop you

737
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.400
right there. We know who number one is. You don't

738
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.960
even know, we don't. I'm just saying, but people people

739
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.079
forget that. And the reason I brought that up, Curven like,

740
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.079
you're right, people know that, but they're not correlating that.

741
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.880
As to why Trump keeps saying you need to pay

742
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.320
your fair share, I don't think. I don't think Trump

743
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:13.920
expects anybody to put in as much as the US

744
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.320
is because we're just such a large economy. But I

745
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.880
think he's looking for people like, look, if if you're

746
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:20.239
gonna be a part of this and you're gonna want

747
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:25.519
the help, you need to kind of step up a bit. Now. Absolutely,

748
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:28.440
the UK is is contributing five point four percent of

749
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:32.559
total total spending into NATO. That that's a big gap.

750
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.880
France is four point seven percent. So while their number

751
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.840
GDP look low when it comes to total spending, they're

752
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.920
they're at four point seven percent of total funding, and

753
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.119
then Germany's around the same. Then after that it falls off.

754
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.920
You got Italy at two point six Canada two point

755
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.960
one percent, so you know they they edge it up

756
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:50.559
a little there.

757
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.480
But Paul say, again, what's what's the US at the percentage?

758
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.119
A seventy point five.

759
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:03.400
Almost seventy seventy's let's go down. Let's yeah, seventy point five.

760
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:08.119
You would usually round up, Let's round down. Seventy percent. Yes,

761
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.800
of funding comes from the United States. Yeah, yeah, seventy

762
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:15.920
miss more than enough. With the majority asking for the

763
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:17.599
US to do more.

764
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.480
We're telling you, man, look if this, if this was

765
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.880
a border directors, we have full say, yeah, we have

766
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.639
full say, America is full say, and also we should

767
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.320
be that person. But at the same time, you can't deny.

768
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.480
So this goes back to the emotional response that people

769
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.000
get when someone like Trump says, or you know, Secretary

770
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.599
of Defense Heaxseth has said, and Vice President in Vance

771
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:47.559
said this exact same thing when asked will the US

772
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:56.199
remove themselves from NATO? And they say if europe, if

773
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.000
NATO was not doing enough and it is no longer

774
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:03.119
a mutually an official organization, the US is gonna have

775
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:07.480
to consider getting out of NATO. And everybody has an

776
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:11.159
emotional response to it. European leaders within NATO have an

777
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:14.320
emotional response to them saying that why do they have

778
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:19.440
that emotional response to it. It's because all of that

779
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:24.159
money from the United States goes away from NATO. Does

780
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:32.239
that then mean Putin has a green light to then

781
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.880
attack NATO. Absolutely, But it's not because the US got

782
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.159
out of NATO. It's because you NATO have not done

783
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:45.519
enough to fund yourself. I agree, man, that's the situation

784
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:48.239
where we're in right now. And I'll go back again.

785
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.840
Just if anybody has caught this in the middle of

786
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.719
this podcast, George will tell you this. I have been

787
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.199
a staunch supporter of Ukraine and what they're doing to

788
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.360
push back against Russian aggression since the moment this happened.

789
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:06.440
This is not an anti Ukraine discussion, No, this is

790
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:10.760
a you have to do you have to pay for

791
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.199
your own things. These are your borders.

792
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.400
I agree. I hate to secure your own borders. And

793
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.519
people were up in arms about what jad Vance said

794
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.199
when he was when he was at the Yeah, yep,

795
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.840
it's the Munich Summit. Yeah, I'm sorry, my brain, I'm

796
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:27.800
trying to look something up at the same time. Sorry,

797
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:29.719
but yeah, everybody was up up in arms about what

798
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:34.199
he said. And it's like, look, to paraphrase, Europe, you

799
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:38.400
need to step up and defend yourself and stop relying

800
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.360
on America to do it for you paraphrasing.

801
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.920
And I think his main his main point really was

802
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.199
to the NATO countries, to the European Union. You are

803
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.039
starting to see the United States and saying things like

804
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.519
the United States has gone against free speech. The United

805
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.960
States is going against you know, the free movement of

806
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.920
the world and against democracy. And he astutely pointed out, no, Europe,

807
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:14.519
you are against free speech, you are against the free movement,

808
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:21.960
you are against protecting your own borders. And he said that,

809
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.400
and people got up in arms. And I saw one

810
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:29.320
post a thread of somebody saying everything that jd Vance

811
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.159
claimed happened didn't happen. And yet in that thread it

812
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:39.000
actually said that what Jdvan It was basically trying to

813
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.320
nitpick at things that he was saying, like, oh, the

814
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:47.480
government of the UK or put someone in jail because

815
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.360
they prayed, And the guy was nitpicking and he was like, well,

816
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:53.840
it wasn't the government that did it, it was the police.

817
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.480
And I'm like, are you this is really what we're

818
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.679
going to say here, Like you're talking about just grasping

819
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:05.599
for what is the police? The what the police does

820
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:09.679
in every country is it abides by the law set

821
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.039
by the government. When the government makes a law, the

822
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.320
police enforce that law. So if the police arrests someone

823
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.000
or find someone for doing something that is visa vi

824
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:27.239
the government, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

825
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:31.719
It's true. And and people, you know, actually well news

826
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.079
outlets were right away going, well, how dare jd Avance

827
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.320
stand up there and tell Europe how to run their

828
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.360
own countries and what they should stand for. But he

829
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.920
made he made perfect sense, aside from the NATO element

830
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.960
and also them defending themselves, where he said, look, you

831
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.719
guys who were going through the same things we were

832
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:52.079
with with mass migration and immigration coming into your countries

833
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:55.480
and your own citizens are up in arms and complaining

834
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.639
about it, but you're not doing anything from a governmental

835
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.159
perspective to look out for their own He basically said, look,

836
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:05.480
you got yourselves here. Why did you not get ahead

837
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.559
of this? Why did you not look out for your

838
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.840
own people? Why did you put, you know, the interests

839
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:16.280
of foreign entities and migrants ahead of your own people.

840
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.280
And it's a legitimate question. It was a legit legitimate

841
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.360
question that a world leader hasn't really asked other world

842
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.239
leaders publicly. On top of that, I.

843
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:30.599
Also think it's very telling that when something like that happens,

844
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:36.599
when it's called out in that especially publicly like that,

845
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:38.760
that the We'll go back to what the stoics say,

846
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:41.519
the emotional response that you have to that says more

847
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.039
about you than it does about the person you're reacting

848
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.760
to or the statement that you're reacting to. And so

849
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:50.719
what does that mean in this context? It means Europe,

850
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:54.679
I do believe, understands that they didn't do enough and

851
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.280
that they were freeloading off of the United States. And

852
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.519
now that it's come to a head, it's just like,

853
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.360
so this was my frustration with COVID whenever we did

854
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.920
the lockdowns, and I very much agreed with two weeks

855
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.679
to flatten the curve. That seemed very logical to me

856
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.440
if we just separated ourselves from everybody for a disease

857
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:19.719
that was, you know, that spread very quickly in open

858
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:24.639
air in close quarters. Two weeks, get away from everybody, nobody,

859
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:28.079
do anything. You're you're good. Two weeks to flatten the curve.

860
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:33.639
After the two weeks, the state governments and federal government said, well,

861
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.840
we're just you know, we're not ready to open up

862
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.599
right now. And I said, well, what have you been

863
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.280
doing for two weeks? And basically they were doing nothing

864
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.159
for two weeks. They said, well, you told me to

865
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.280
go home and not do anything. Now, that's not what

866
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.199
we told you. And that's a whole part of this

867
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:55.519
discussion with teleworking and working from home and stuff like that.

868
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.960
It was, no, we didn't tell you to go home

869
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:01.440
and don't do anything. Go break, bake and watch Netflix,

870
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:04.599
go watch Tiger King. We told you to go home,

871
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.840
figure this out, and in two weeks come back with

872
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.599
a plan and let's open this back up. This is

873
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.880
the same thing that's going on with Europe. The United

874
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:20.119
States has said Russia's an aggressor. They're going to invade Ukraine.

875
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.119
You're going to need to figure out how to deter that.

876
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.079
And they said, first, now, it's never going to happen.

877
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.039
That's not going to happen. I was reading an article

878
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.440
from a conservative think tank, a Reason magazine, if you've

879
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:37.880
ever heard of Reason magazine. So this was all because

880
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.400
I was doing research on Mitt Romney and his campaigns

881
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.880
for the presidency, which I think is a catalyst for

882
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.199
the Trump campaign and how Trump got elected in twenty sixteen.

883
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.199
And the reason I say that is because a lot

884
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.519
of the conversations we have about Trump they were having

885
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.400
about Mitt Romney when he was running against Barack Obama.

886
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.719
We're talking about the most vanilla guy'll ever meet, now,

887
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.320
a pariah of the of the conservative movement because of

888
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.400
things that he said against Trump. It was the same

889
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.719
things they were saying about Trump they said about Mitt Romney.

890
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.760
They said it about Trump and it was the boy

891
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.159
who cried Wolf. People said, well, you've told me the

892
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:21.880
Republicans are Nazis for so long and they've turned out

893
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.039
to not be Nazis. You say this guy's a Nazi.

894
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.119
I'm going to vote for him anyway, and we're just

895
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:31.000
gonna cross our fingers on this. Now, that's not a

896
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.360
perspective of how I feel about Trump and whether he's

897
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.639
a Nazi or not. I can tell you wholeheart, I

898
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:39.199
don't think he's a Nazi, I really don't. I also

899
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:41.559
don't think he's the mouthpiece of Putin. So I put

900
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.400
both of those out there. But I'm reading this stuff.

901
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:48.880
So Mitt Romney did a European tour, and a lot

902
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.760
of what he said during this European tour about what

903
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:55.800
Europe needs to do to protect the borders is what

904
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:59.679
you're now hearing with the is well, it's a far

905
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.159
from what you're hearing from the Trump administration. That Romney

906
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.480
was saying the US should still support NATO, but Europe

907
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:11.440
needs to like there's no reason to get out of NATO,

908
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.800
but NATO needs to do more in funding than the

909
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.360
United States. And what was very interesting is Reason magazine

910
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.880
but this full article promoting that Romney and what he's saying,

911
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.360
but then saying Europe is worried about a war. There's

912
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.159
never going to be another war in Europe because who

913
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:34.320
would invade a European country? What European country would invade

914
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:38.519
another European country? And they use things like Romania, other

915
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.360
this before Crimea, when Russia invaded Ukraine and Crimea, and

916
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.880
so it was very telling to me of people that

917
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.960
didn't have the foresight to see. So this was twenty twelve.

918
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:57.079
This is a year where Obama was very friendly with Putin.

919
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.320
He made a very it's got a lot of play

920
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:06.519
in conservative media during the election. He is sitting with

921
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:11.079
I believe, Sergey Labrov, and he has a conversation that

922
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.239
got picked up off of a hot mic, back to

923
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.800
our conversation of things that are talked about in closed

924
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.119
doors that we don't usually hear, but now that we

925
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.920
have Trump, we get to hear it. There's more transparency.

926
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.840
But he told Lavrov, I believe it's a Lavrov. Somebody

927
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.360
else fact checked me on that one. That listen tell

928
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.440
Putin that whenever the election's over and I win, I'm

929
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.920
going to have more leverage to do things for Russia

930
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:44.239
than I would right now. That's the Democratic Party, that

931
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.599
is what some people would call the far left. Some

932
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.880
people consider Obama the far left of the Democratic Party.

933
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:55.039
He was very much making pro Putin statements in back doors,

934
00:56:55.400 --> 00:57:01.119
kind of the conversations that it was Lavrov. My memory

935
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:04.639
hasn't stopped as it failed me today.

936
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:07.000
I just looked that up.

937
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.480
So yeah, there was a very friendly relationship was I

938
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:16.039
was in Saint Petersburg in twenty sixteen, I think Saint Petersburg, Russia,

939
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.599
and I just have this very funny story of being there.

940
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:23.280
I know my driver was KGB because of the kind

941
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.320
of his background and the things he was allowed to do.

942
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:27.639
One of the things he was allowed to do that

943
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.239
no one else on our tour that we purchased was

944
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:37.800
allowed to do was go to Putin's house in Saint Petersburg. Interesting,

945
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:39.880
and we got to go there because he wanted to

946
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.320
show us we ingratiated ourselves to him in the fact

947
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:48.119
that we didn't talk crap about Russia. It was twenty sixteen.

948
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.559
Remember this is Putin and Trump and how bad Russia

949
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.719
is because Trump likes Russia for some reason. The collusion hoax, yes,

950
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:02.280
the whole collusion, and so the fact shift still.

951
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.400
Has not presented any evidence of He always has these,

952
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.840
you know, secret sources that he can't reveal.

953
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.559
And that's always been my problem when you go I

954
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:16.000
can't reveal who my sources are. I get it for

955
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:18.280
the a lot of things where I don't want to

956
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:22.199
reveal who I am because then that's going to be

957
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.719
a put me at a target away from there. So

958
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:28.280
we got to go go buy Putin's house, and it

959
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:32.480
was like, oh, look that's where Obama and Putin met

960
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:36.480
on the roof and had a summit. This is twenty

961
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:41.280
So that was twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen timeframe. We're in

962
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.639
twenty twenty five, and now look at how the world

963
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:49.199
views Russia. So very quickly it moved, and I believe

964
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:53.000
it really moved in twenty sixteen with the Russia collusion

965
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.519
that you talked about, and if you actually want to know,

966
00:58:56.800 --> 00:59:00.320
because of things that I was working with, did Rush

967
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:06.239
to involve themselves in the US election? Yes? Did they

968
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:07.320
do it in twenty twelve?

969
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:07.679
Yes?

970
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:10.039
Did they do it in twenty two thousand and eight?

971
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:10.880
Yes?

972
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:12.800
Did they do it in two thousand and four?

973
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:13.599
Yes?

974
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.559
Do you hear a pattern here? Do you want me

975
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:22.079
to keep going back two thousand? Yes? Ninety six? Yes,

976
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:24.360
But your points.

977
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:28.039
May because every world power, if they could, wants to

978
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.239
influence our election. Yes, like why wouldn't they? Even China?

979
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:33.920
Absolutely, China's doing it right now.

980
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:36.400
Yeah, it's ridiculous to think that they wouldn't. I mean,

981
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.519
and it's also naive to think that the US, you know,

982
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:42.119
ourselves wouldn't do the same. We have.

983
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:48.960
Yes, so this Yes, I hope you didn't think I

984
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:51.079
was going to say, pushback and go. The US has

985
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:56.880
never done that. The US is world famous for regime change.

986
00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.320
Absolutely, it's kind of our calling. It's kind of what

987
00:59:59.360 --> 00:59:59.679
we do.

988
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.000
It's what we do poorly, I will say, we don't

989
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:08.239
stop trying though, it's we are we are the worst.

990
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.599
And look at Syria, right, but Sharsad is gone. I

991
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:15.360
think he should be gone. He was killing his own people.

992
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:20.960
But now we have a form. What he would say

993
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:26.119
is former Islamist extremist looking to be the leader of

994
01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:28.960
Syria and it is being backed by the United States

995
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:30.719
for him to take over.

996
01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:33.440
Yeah, we're gonna get actually go that direction in the

997
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.159
Middle East here in a minute. But let's let's try

998
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.960
to wrap this NATO NATO slash JD Vance comment up

999
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.199
a bit, because what you said about you know what

1000
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:48.280
your what's your initial reaction says more about you? Right? Yeh.

1001
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:52.280
When I was watching that speech, after he made that

1002
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.480
statement and a few others, when the camera pan I

1003
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:58.400
don't care who you were, what country you're from. Everyone's

1004
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.480
face just kind of went from yeah, this guy, let's

1005
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.440
see what he says to that oh shit, Yeah, like

1006
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.679
you just saw their face melt. It was ridiculous, And

1007
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:11.880
it was, as you said, it was so telling, like

1008
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:15.199
they all realize, hold on, what they've been telling us

1009
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:18.920
for this long is really going to happen. Yeah, it's

1010
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:23.440
what are we going to do? And they didn't go

1011
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.440
back to the COVID thing. They weren't planning for it.

1012
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.199
Even though they were told there was going to happen,

1013
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.880
they weren't planning for it. So now it looks like

1014
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:34.480
they're blindsided, but they're really not. They're just trying to freeload.

1015
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.639
But is it Is it wrong for Jdvans to make

1016
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:41.320
the statement for our administration to say, hey, Europe, you

1017
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:44.800
kind of need to figure this out. It's not wrong.

1018
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:52.280
Now it is wrong to say to allies that hey,

1019
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.000
we're going to we're leaving. We're not doing anything more.

1020
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.400
I think some of the stuff that Secretary of Defense

1021
01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:02.800
Heseth said about removing the US from Europe was wrong

1022
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:05.559
because these are allies we're talking about. I agree with

1023
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:07.559
you on that when you don't have allies to come

1024
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:11.320
to your support. We'll take this back to the LA

1025
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.679
wildfires and that discussion that happened during the LA wildfires,

1026
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.320
and Canada helped and Mexico helped. Why because their allies

1027
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.760
to the United States. And so when you isolate yourself

1028
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:28.280
so much that your allies no longer trust you, there

1029
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.360
will come a time where you're going to need your

1030
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.719
allies and they're not going to be there. And so

1031
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:37.440
I think it's a fine line that everyone needs to

1032
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:43.199
kind of traverse here. And I don't know that some

1033
01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.440
of the people who have been put in their positions

1034
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:50.239
understand how to walk that tight rope and they're still learning.

1035
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:54.239
That doesn't mean that they're not going to learn and

1036
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.440
that it's not going to get better. I just don't

1037
01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:59.679
know how it looks right now.

1038
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:07.360
I think I think I think sectef Hegsith and Advance.

1039
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:12.079
The statements regarding pulling out should have been more, Look,

1040
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.599
we want you to step up your abilities and defending yourselves,

1041
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:20.000
and we're going to reduce our presence, not pull out.

1042
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.039
We still need to be there, we still need to

1043
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:24.360
have a presence. And you're right, like I said, I

1044
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:27.039
agree with you we can't turn our back in our allies.

1045
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:28.360
That is just ridiculous.

1046
01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:34.360
I also think that the way to present it is, Listen,

1047
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.800
we appreciate what you're doing Europe in aligning yourself with

1048
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.320
the United States, but this does not seem like a

1049
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:48.800
reciprocal alliance. It looks to us, and you're going to

1050
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:51.719
have to show us how it's different that the US

1051
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:56.079
is doing everything for you and you're doing nothing for us.

1052
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:57.880
And this is a conversation that's going to come up

1053
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.960
with Tulca Gabbard as the Director of National Intelligence, and.

1054
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:05.280
I know you got a lot to say on that one,

1055
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.159
and I honestly I have maybe twenty more minutes.

1056
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:10.280
Got started late.

1057
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.000
I'm steering. I'm going to steer this into our final

1058
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.599
because the other thing I wanted to talk about, you

1059
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:18.559
and I are going to connect again. I'm not worried about, Yeah,

1060
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.639
get me back talk about I want to talk about Gaza.

1061
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:23.639
I want to talk about Gaza. I want to talk

1062
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.639
about which you just were touching on earlier with Syrias.

1063
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.719
So my whole thing was I wanted to go over Russia,

1064
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:32.920
Ukraine with you. NATO. We kind of touched on in

1065
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:37.599
our European relationship there after the statement Spade by Hexseeth advance.

1066
01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:41.639
But now now the biggest one to me is Trump's

1067
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:45.639
statements on owning Gaza, displacing a bunch of people and

1068
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:48.239
then telling the rest of the Middle East to figure

1069
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:52.599
it out. And you have experience there, so I want

1070
01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:53.719
to know what your thoughts are.

1071
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:56.920
And I can also say I'm not trying to be

1072
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:04.039
shady or or aloof tier. I do know some things

1073
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:06.280
that have gone on behind the scenes that I really

1074
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.800
can't talk about in a public avenue. I can't talk

1075
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:16.280
about at all because of you know, the national security

1076
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.239
and things like that. So I'm not being shady on that.

1077
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:23.239
So if I talk in what seems like not absolute

1078
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:28.159
or in verifiable data, just to know that there are

1079
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.639
things that I can't talk about and this is how

1080
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:33.480
I know it. Now, I can say, but.

1081
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:35.679
That's fine because when it comes to Middle East, there's

1082
01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:37.960
never been anything that was defined an absolute anyway.

1083
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:39.119
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1084
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.159
It's so it's it's okay for you to make that statement,

1085
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:44.519
but I know that you can at least give your

1086
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:48.159
take on comments, you know, basically the history of the area,

1087
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.159
what's going on and how how that's going to affect

1088
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:53.320
and impact the area in general, because even when you

1089
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:57.960
were talking about Syria, reality is now the the fact

1090
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.400
a leader literally is a terrorist, was part of a

1091
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:04.440
terrorist organization involved with isis ol Kaeda, he has a history.

1092
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:06.920
I did a whole show on this. I deep dived

1093
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:09.199
on this guy. And you know this better than I

1094
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:11.360
because you, you know, you're involved in certain things where

1095
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.840
you have to, you know, monitor, because I tracked this guy.

1096
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:16.400
Yeah, I'm just.

1097
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.960
Saying, and so let's start with Gaza. Let's let's just

1098
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:26.719
start with Trump's statement and Trump's position on Gaza. What

1099
01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.960
are your thoughts on him saying? Because Netan naw Who's

1100
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.079
face in that conference when Trump said we are going

1101
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.679
to own Gaza in We're going to make it an economic,

1102
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.519
you know, land of you know, prosperity, et cetera, Nettan

1103
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:42.159
Nyahoo just kind of looked like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I

1104
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:43.199
didn't know this was happening.

1105
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:45.920
So it goes back to what I was saying, these

1106
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:49.440
are things that happened behind closed doors in conversations with

1107
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.199
world leaders, right, but we're getting to see it on

1108
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.320
the world stage. Whether that's good or bad. We'll find

1109
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:58.840
out in ten years whether this was a good idea

1110
01:06:58.920 --> 01:06:59.880
or a bad idea.

1111
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.800
This will be a period to be talked about in history.

1112
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:07.519
I am going to apologize one hundred So if you're

1113
01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:10.679
listening to this one hundred years from now, I apologize

1114
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.519
for your history lessons and how long you have to

1115
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:18.599
spend on the US history from two thousand to twenty

1116
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.880
twenty five. Right, see twenty to twenty thirty five is

1117
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:25.880
what I'm going to say here. Yeah, and world history

1118
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:29.239
from two thousand, actually world history from nineteen eighty nine

1119
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:30.960
to two thousand and thirty five.

1120
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:33.679
I apologize idea what they're going to label this period,

1121
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:35.599
But it's going to be interesting, it.

1122
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.719
Will be well, some scholar will figure it out. That's

1123
01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:44.000
not for us to but the whole Gaza conversation here,

1124
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.719
So these are conversations that would happen behind the scenes.

1125
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:51.440
So Trump and that Yahoo would have this conversation of hey, look,

1126
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:54.320
I've talked to my people in my administration, and we

1127
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:58.519
think the US should have control over Gaza. We've put

1128
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:02.480
a lot of money in to helping Israel defend against

1129
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:08.000
Tomas you and you completely wiped out Gaza. So since

1130
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.679
we gave you that money a reciprocal We want to

1131
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.800
have that area because it's oceanfront property, and I think

1132
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.920
a Trump tower in Gaza would be really nice and

1133
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.079
give the US a lot of money. This is all

1134
01:08:20.079 --> 01:08:23.319
a business deal that didn't get to happen behind the

1135
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.680
scenes because it happened in the public. Trump is going

1136
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:30.119
off of the top of his head. I don't know

1137
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:34.079
for certain. This is how I assess how Trump's mind works.

1138
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:38.680
He's getting the President's daily brief every day. He hears

1139
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:42.920
certain things come out from the intelligence community, from his

1140
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:49.039
staff on what could these things look like? Right? What

1141
01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:53.119
should we be doing in Gaza. Here's a here's one contingency,

1142
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.159
here's a second contingency, here's a third contingency. And he

1143
01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:58.880
latches onto one of the contingencies, this being the United

1144
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.720
States takeover Gaza, and he goes, oh, that's very interesting.

1145
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:06.319
Let me let me think on that, and then he

1146
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:09.479
regurgitates it in the public. He did go back to COVID.

1147
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.159
He did this for COVID. If you remember the Bleach

1148
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:17.279
using bleach, yah, I do. The media took it as

1149
01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:19.960
him saying injecting. Trump wants to inject to.

1150
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.800
Bleach physically put bleach in your vents, right.

1151
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:24.479
And this is where I go back to Trump purply,

1152
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:27.439
and the media has got to stop doing this and

1153
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:31.039
the reaction has got to stop being Trump wants to

1154
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:33.760
do this. I don't think Trump. I honestly don't think

1155
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:37.640
Trump wants the US involved in Gaza at all. But

1156
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:39.960
he heard it as one of the contingencies. He thought

1157
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.479
it was interesting. Just like with Bleach. He goes, yeah,

1158
01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:47.760
Bleach does kind of kill uh these things. I wonder

1159
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:48.760
what would.

1160
01:09:48.479 --> 01:09:51.319
Happen if he did method right?

1161
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.520
And I do this on a podcast all the time,

1162
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.119
and I think people listen to him and go, well,

1163
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:58.600
that dude's crazy. What did he just say? Because I'm

1164
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.359
just having a conversation and I go, well, that's an

1165
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:04.159
interesting theory. I wonder if we did do that.

1166
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:09.840
Right. Well here's here's without getting off topic because I

1167
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:11.279
want to I want to get a little more into this,

1168
01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:14.279
but this is my take on Trump and why he

1169
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:17.560
says what he does publicly, especially with world leaders. And

1170
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:19.000
I talked about this with my brother on one of

1171
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:22.640
the shows we did previously. I think Trump what he

1172
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:26.960
does his tactic is is he likes to he's stress

1173
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.960
testing the situation. He's got this, he's got this long,

1174
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:33.680
sharp metal pick, and he's tapping the glass in all

1175
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:36.800
these different areas to see where it fractures. And I

1176
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:38.920
think that's exactly what he's doing. I don't I don't

1177
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.319
think he really. I think it's ridiculous for him to

1178
01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:42.760
make a statement that we're going to take over gaz

1179
01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.199
end manage it. I also think that maybe he was

1180
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.359
trying to create a buffer, a de facto buffer, to say, hey,

1181
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:52.159
let's separate the kids from fighting. And I'm not trying

1182
01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:53.760
to downplay a situation. I'm just saying, you say, he's

1183
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:55.800
a example, Let's let's separate him for a bit. Let's

1184
01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:57.039
get in the middle of this and make sure that

1185
01:10:57.079 --> 01:10:58.640
there's some kind of a buffer zone so that we

1186
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:03.439
can get a handle on things. I think people took

1187
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:06.840
took what he said way way out of context and

1188
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:08.560
over the top. I mean, like you said, a lot

1189
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:10.479
of people take what he says literally.

1190
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:12.880
Yeah, that that's the that's the plan that's in place,

1191
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.960
right and it's not. And so I'm going to agree

1192
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.000
with you on this. I want to agree with you

1193
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:21.399
real quick with things that I know that I can't

1194
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:26.680
talk about and how what he did was very effective.

1195
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:33.159
And the reason I say that is because he said

1196
01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.520
these things, and I really think, just like you said,

1197
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:37.880
don't take him literally on it. He's trying to stress

1198
01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:41.399
test it. He's also trying to get a reaction from

1199
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:48.399
certain other avenues. Those other avenues being Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon,

1200
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:49.560
and Iran.

1201
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:51.640
I was literally just gonna bring them up.

1202
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:56.199
Okay, sorry, So then we're going to lead into that because.

1203
01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:57.479
I'll let you steer. This go ahead.

1204
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:03.920
Since that statement, what has happen. Egypt has directed at

1205
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.319
the end of this month of February, they have directed

1206
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:10.560
a summit to come to an agreement on what to

1207
01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:16.039
do with the Palestinian people. That's what this was all about, exactly.

1208
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:18.359
It was about what are you going to do with

1209
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.039
all these refugees, millions of people? You can't have them

1210
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:26.760
all return. That so Trump, this is on another thing.

1211
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:29.319
He said, I don't think they want to return. You know,

1212
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:32.159
their house has gone. I don't think they want to return.

1213
01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:34.560
I don't think that's true. I think if my house

1214
01:12:34.680 --> 01:12:38.359
was burned down here in DC and I had to

1215
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.000
leave in a few months later, they go, So what

1216
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:42.640
do you want to do? I go I want to

1217
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:44.840
go back to where I was living, because that's where

1218
01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:45.479
I was living.

1219
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:47.279
I think he was just trying to point out the

1220
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.840
severity of the situation exactly made that statement.

1221
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:54.720
Yes, pointing out the severity and the understanding that in

1222
01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:59.279
the near future those people are cannot come back. There

1223
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:02.439
is just no way unless they want to live in

1224
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:06.560
the streets for ten years while it gets rebuilt. You can't.

1225
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.640
So there are going to be refugees and you can

1226
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:14.520
you can make fun of, you know, being compassionate or humanitarian.

1227
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:17.199
You have to do something with these people. These are

1228
01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:20.600
families that were uprooted because of what Hamas decided to

1229
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.560
do on October of twenty twenty three. They were uprooted

1230
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.520
from their homes because Israel had to retaliate. They can't

1231
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:32.520
come back right now, so they have to be held somewhere. Well,

1232
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:34.880
you can't put them in a tent city in Gaza

1233
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:41.359
and just let Hamas re establish itself. So Trump was saying,

1234
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:44.119
Egypt needs to deal with it, Jordan needs to deal

1235
01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:48.039
with it, Saudi Arabia, and with all of that, we

1236
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:50.119
need to come to an agreement on what we need

1237
01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:52.520
to do with Iran. That's the country that no one

1238
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:53.960
wants to be talking about right now.

1239
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:55.439
I was just going to bring them up to it. Man,

1240
01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:57.239
you're way ahead of me. We kind of really think

1241
01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:58.119
a lot we do.

1242
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.960
You should see just messages because it's pretty much the

1243
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:02.840
same thing.

1244
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:05.439
No, keep going, go ahead, just keep going down the troad,

1245
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:08.279
because you're basically just gonna reveal or talk about everything

1246
01:14:08.279 --> 01:14:10.079
else gonna ask anyway, So just just go for it.

1247
01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:12.079
Yeah, So, who we don't want to talk about, or

1248
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:13.840
who people are trying not to talk about. They're talking

1249
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:17.760
about people who are pro Palestinian or pro Hamas, trying

1250
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:20.720
not to trip group the two together. Who you're not

1251
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:25.000
talking about is Iran and Iran. Hamas is a proxy

1252
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:28.760
of Iran. I say, Hamas is Iran. It's just the

1253
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:33.800
long arm of Iran. And Trump is very bullish on

1254
01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:38.359
the regime, on the IRGC and the Iranian regime. It's

1255
01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:44.479
very hawkish on them. And he understands that in nuclear

1256
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:51.039
capable Iran is a threat. It's an existential threat to

1257
01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:54.159
not just the Middle East, but certain parts of Europe

1258
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.600
and Asia. And with that it means they're also a

1259
01:14:57.640 --> 01:14:59.840
threat to the United States because they're a threat to

1260
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:04.079
US allies, and so Iran has to be dealt with.

1261
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:09.800
And then if that's the case and none of these

1262
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:13.880
other countries Egypt, Jordan want to take in these Palestinian

1263
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.920
refugees and hold on to them until we can establish

1264
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:20.239
something on Gaza, the US is going to have to

1265
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.359
get involved because Iran is a threat to the United

1266
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:26.359
States and they are a major threat, the biggest threat

1267
01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:29.800
to the number one ally of the United States, and

1268
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:34.399
that's Israel, and so that has to be dealt with.

1269
01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:37.920
And so that's why I when I was assessing everything

1270
01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:41.239
with Trump talking about a US presence, but that's not

1271
01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:44.039
going to be a military presence. I pushed back on that,

1272
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:47.199
because it is going to be a military presence because

1273
01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:50.600
Iran is going to take advantage of that and they

1274
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:53.279
are going to something is going to happen where you

1275
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:54.880
will have to put because if you're going to have

1276
01:15:55.000 --> 01:16:00.000
US people on got in Gaza, on the beaches of Gaza,

1277
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:03.720
uh Iran is going to attack it and then the

1278
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.399
US military is going to have to protect its people.

1279
01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.000
That means putting troops on the ground in Gaza. So

1280
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.560
that was very cautious about that. But these sound clips

1281
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:20.039
or these sound bites that Trump says doesn't it doesn't

1282
01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:23.880
allow for this full nuance to be understood, and then

1283
01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:26.520
the media jumps and puts a headline out like US

1284
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.680
troops in Gaza. Yeah, probably, but that's not what he said.

1285
01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.199
He didn't say He's going to put US troops. Is

1286
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:37.079
that what it's going to lead to. Maybe it's a probability,

1287
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:40.880
but that's not what he said. Such another aspect we

1288
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:45.239
have to to get away from is headlines that don't

1289
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.199
say what actually is occurring in the world.

1290
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:51.920
And we got to get away from people just only

1291
01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:55.520
reading the damn headline and taking absolute context. Yeah, and

1292
01:16:56.520 --> 01:16:58.960
Iran is it's a very that's very important because they

1293
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:01.279
will take advantage of the Stitch situation. And then outside

1294
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:03.880
of that, you also have Syria, which is unstable as

1295
01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:06.159
much as as much as they're trying to make it

1296
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:08.000
look like, hey, we're trying to be the good guys.

1297
01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:13.560
I've I've renounced my evil ways. Whatever. We got to

1298
01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:15.239
keep an eye on that. We got to keep an

1299
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:16.239
eye on that. Yeah.

1300
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:19.279
Absolutely, Uh, that's this part. This is part of conversation

1301
01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:22.399
we had on that I had on the podcast for

1302
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:25.039
this most recent episode that we released of this week

1303
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:27.800
explain it was this trust issue. So the biggest issue

1304
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:33.399
between Israel and Hamas is trust. So when you say, well, okay,

1305
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:37.520
why does why is Israel not removing themselves from the

1306
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:40.720
West Bank? Well, because they don't trust Hamas to not

1307
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.680
reinforce their defensive posture make it into an offensive posture,

1308
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:50.000
and then go across Israel's borders again in another October

1309
01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:54.800
twenty twenty three effort to kidnap people. And then you go, so,

1310
01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:58.079
then why is Hamas reacting in the way that they

1311
01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.079
do because they see in is really presence not in

1312
01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:05.760
places that they're at, but along those buffer zones that

1313
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.159
were built up, And it go, well, it's because a

1314
01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:12.600
mass doesn't trust Israel not to fire rockets into their locations,

1315
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:17.840
which inevitably, because Hamas uses human shields, kills civilians. So

1316
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:21.600
there's a trust issue. How do you get back from

1317
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:22.760
that trust issue?

1318
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:23.199
Go?

1319
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:26.000
Go listen to that episode because Tiana actually makes a

1320
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:29.600
fabulous analogy for it, and I can't think of it

1321
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:32.159
right now and I wouldn't do it justice, so I

1322
01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:34.560
don't want to paraphrase it right now. But it is

1323
01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:39.960
about trust and how long you can accept be how

1324
01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:43.960
long you can accept not trusting someone but still giving

1325
01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:46.840
them the opportunity to do the things that they're doing.

1326
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:50.000
She makes a very good, good point, go go check

1327
01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:50.439
that out.

1328
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:53.079
There's a trust issue. But we also can't ignore the

1329
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:58.039
patterns of behavior over time. Absolutely, and every time there

1330
01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:01.840
has been an opportunity to gain trust, you know, someone

1331
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:03.960
goes out of their way to screw it all up again.

1332
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:07.960
Unfortunately, this goes back to and we go, well, let's

1333
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:11.279
go back to give it to whose land this is?

1334
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:14.840
And people go, it's the Palestinian Yeah, I know, I

1335
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:18.319
don't have much time. No, I wanted to say it

1336
01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:21.359
to this to this point I was listening to I

1337
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:25.399
think was the seventies. It was the Israeli Prime minister

1338
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:30.439
at the time who was talking about Palestinians. And they

1339
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:33.640
were told they said, or they were asked by a journalist,

1340
01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:36.479
so what about the Palestinian plate? Don't you understand the

1341
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:41.239
Palestinian plate? And then she said, but what are you

1342
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:46.479
talking about Palestinian because we don't even know what Palestinian is?

1343
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:49.520
Is it? What are the borders now with Palestine? Because

1344
01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:52.720
that's not what the initial borders were set. It was

1345
01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:56.880
actually set further east into what was called trans Jordan. Yes,

1346
01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:01.079
and now is Jordan that was Palestinian lands Syria. So

1347
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:04.359
do we give the Palestinians that land? Jordan wouldn't accept that.

1348
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.520
Yeah, yeah, And that's why. That's why I said on

1349
01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:09.359
one of the episodes I did about this situation where

1350
01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:12.680
I kind of went down a little historic, well condensed

1351
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:13.760
historical rabbit hole.

1352
01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:17.359
It's a thirty hour history.

1353
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.319
But the reality is is that that's why when when

1354
01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:22.840
when Trump made the statement about Gozen right away, you

1355
01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:24.520
have Jordan going, no, screw that, We're not We're not

1356
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:27.279
gonna take these people. I'm like, but originally they were

1357
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:31.359
your people. Yep, they were a part of it. Sorry,

1358
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:33.199
I just had to just had to throw that in there.

1359
01:20:33.239 --> 01:20:36.800
But no, it's absolutely correct because that should be what

1360
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:39.479
people are arguing. You know, if you were on the

1361
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.840
side of Israeli sovereignty, and I think everybody should be,

1362
01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:46.680
we should all be on the side of sovereign land

1363
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:53.600
that if you were talking about sovereign borders and then

1364
01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:58.039
you go, We'll give the Palestinians all of Palestine because

1365
01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:01.319
that was theirs historically. No, so in fact it wasn't.

1366
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:06.560
They should actually take over Jordan and Syria and east

1367
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:11.399
of the River, and no one wants to have that

1368
01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:15.439
conversation because it just it goes into too much nuance.

1369
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:19.279
And I understand that we can't. We very much can't

1370
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:22.600
comprehend it. It's not for us as common people. And

1371
01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:24.439
I put myself in that as a common person to

1372
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:28.960
understand all of this stuff. And so where do you

1373
01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:33.199
put the Palestinian people. There was a two state solution

1374
01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:36.359
that was put up in the sixties and the seventies

1375
01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:39.800
and the eighties, and there was a country that agreed

1376
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:44.239
to the two state solution, Israel. There were multiple countries

1377
01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:48.439
who didn't agree with the two state solution, Egypt, Palestine

1378
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:55.600
and Jordan. Why they knew. Egypt and Jordan especially new

1379
01:21:56.640 --> 01:22:02.640
if you remove Israel from this area and you put

1380
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:07.159
all of this is Palestine, the country will collapse and

1381
01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:09.159
Egypt and Jordan are going to have to deal with that,

1382
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.039
and so it's going to cross over to their borders.

1383
01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:15.720
And so they didn't they didn't agree to a two

1384
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.880
state solution. The other aspect to it is they don't

1385
01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.840
trust the Jews. And I want to say that not Israel.

1386
01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.520
They don't trust the Jews. This is someone who is

1387
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:30.159
an Arab linguist. I have done Islamic culture, Islamic history.

1388
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:36.199
I am very astute into their thinking. The Jews are evil,

1389
01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:39.960
that is the thinking. So a lot of times have

1390
01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:43.720
a conversation about Israel and I say the Jews, and

1391
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:45.720
it's because they don't like the Jews. And people will

1392
01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.039
push back and say, no, it's Israel. They don't like Israel.

1393
01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:51.600
Those aren't really Jews, And I go, no, what they

1394
01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:55.479
are the Jews? And whenever Egypt talks about the state

1395
01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:59.760
of Israel, there's very famous, not famously, but I remember

1396
01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:01.760
this vividly. In two thousand and six or two thousand

1397
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:04.640
and seven, there was an earthquake that happened in Egypt,

1398
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:07.279
and we're watching it through Arab media because I'm going

1399
01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:12.600
through the Arabic course, and the Egyptian media is saying

1400
01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:17.920
not that Israel caused this earthquake, but that all the

1401
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:21.960
Jews across the world. This is mainstream Egyptian media. All

1402
01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:25.079
the Jews across the world decided to jump at the

1403
01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:30.640
same time and land, and it caused an earthquake in Egypt.

1404
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:34.000
That's the amount of distrust that they have for a

1405
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:35.159
singular religion.

1406
01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:38.520
I want to point something out about that two state solution.

1407
01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:41.039
It was actually uh, it was actually thrown out through

1408
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:44.439
discussed as far back as nineteen fourteen, nineteen sixteen, yes,

1409
01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:47.600
but then actually had an official statement of a two

1410
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:49.720
state solution in nineteen twenty or so, and then just

1411
01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:52.239
kept going from there all the way into the two thousands,

1412
01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:54.720
which was in the two thousands was when it was

1413
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.920
talked about the most, almost year after year after year

1414
01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:00.920
up until twenty twenty three. And here we are, and

1415
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:03.279
you're right, I don't know what what the solution is there.

1416
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:05.600
I don't think any major world leaders ever going to

1417
01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:07.399
have a solution for that area. I think the people

1418
01:24:07.439 --> 01:24:10.560
are just gonna have to realize that they have to

1419
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:12.760
share that area, that land, and come up with a

1420
01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:18.079
way to where each each people can can autonomously live

1421
01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:21.439
according to their cultures and beliefs, and then maybe just

1422
01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:23.039
figure out a way to come together when it comes

1423
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:27.119
to you know, trade, you know, trading goods. And I'm

1424
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:29.319
not sure why we can never get there. I mean,

1425
01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:31.760
you do you understand because you did a deep dive

1426
01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:35.880
of history and you're you're educated in that, but I

1427
01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:39.640
think it's ridiculous and I and I hate that we

1428
01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:41.880
keep getting dragged into it, although there are times that

1429
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:43.960
we put ourselves in there and I'm not sure why

1430
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:47.600
we needed to, but it's I just think it's sad

1431
01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:50.680
for those people. You know, you can't throw up like

1432
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:51.520
a statement on it.

1433
01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:57.159
Yeah, you can't, because it's this is people Hamas. They

1434
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:01.079
are a terrorist organization. I'm not gonna We're not going

1435
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:05.359
to throw that out. But they are used to Plasidian

1436
01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:10.239
people to hide in and cover themselves right and make

1437
01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:13.359
sure that they're not It's hard to decipher who they

1438
01:25:13.359 --> 01:25:15.560
are basic because they're they're doing it under the guise

1439
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.720
of UH supporting policy and people. Basically, you just have

1440
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:21.399
to be a cruel person to see a baby crying

1441
01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:26.840
in Gaza and go, yeah, I don't give a shit, No,

1442
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:29.439
my heart goes out to that family. You can't be

1443
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:33.359
human if that's really are a tough situation. Now, I

1444
01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:37.479
can disagree with the solutions for that situation, or I

1445
01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:42.279
can disagree with saying that it was wrong for Israel

1446
01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:44.479
to defend itself. I do think it was right for

1447
01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:48.279
Israel to defend itself, but to see a mother and

1448
01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:52.920
child out in the open crying and suffering and you're

1449
01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:55.439
just gonna say, I don't give a shit. I'm that

1450
01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:58.840
that's inhumane to me. So that's not what we're that's

1451
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.600
not what we're saying at all. We have to come

1452
01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:06.000
to a solution that is good for all people, and

1453
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:09.039
the problem is that's not how society works.

1454
01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:13.680
Well, let's start wrapping up. But before we do, have

1455
01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:17.079
you observed anything anything out of the White House in

1456
01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:19.239
terms of a statement or some kind of plan involving

1457
01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:22.159
Gauza in that area or is it still kind of

1458
01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:24.760
Trump made the statement and people are still like, well, wait,

1459
01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:25.560
what do we do?

1460
01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:28.039
So I'll go back to things that I can't talk

1461
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:33.680
about publicly. Those statements from the White House have made

1462
01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:36.840
other countries react to it in a way that's going

1463
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:39.479
to be positive in the future. That's all I'll say

1464
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.279
on that, Okay, And I don't so I'm going to

1465
01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:44.840
say right now, my assessment is it is unlikely the

1466
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:50.239
US is going to be involved with people on the

1467
01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:53.800
ground in Gaza because of the pressure that's being put

1468
01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:56.800
on right now by the Trump administration for other countries

1469
01:26:57.640 --> 01:26:58.920
to do something about.

1470
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:01.760
It, as it should be in my opinion. Yeah, all right, Well,

1471
01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:04.800
I think We're at the end of our time for you,

1472
01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:10.520
and thanks for all the info and assessment. I like

1473
01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.520
having you on because we're able to set things straight

1474
01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:18.359
and give informed answers, not just you know, clickbait headlines

1475
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:19.760
just to get attention. You know.

1476
01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:23.399
I think that's my problem sometimes. I've had this debate

1477
01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:27.319
with myself about why I'm why my morals and ethics

1478
01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:29.279
are so important to me that I can't just go

1479
01:27:29.319 --> 01:27:33.680
on Twitter and be like a like a Jack Post,

1480
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:37.239
a bec or whatever that just says ridiculous stuff just

1481
01:27:37.279 --> 01:27:40.960
because you don't need people to like it. You just

1482
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:43.520
need people to engage with it. That's not what I'm

1483
01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:46.039
here for. And honestly, if you don't like what I'm saying,

1484
01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:48.840
please engage with me and tell me where I'm wrong.

1485
01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:52.560
I George knows this. I'm open to being wrong. If

1486
01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:54.079
you're going to tell me I'm wrong and show me

1487
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:55.880
where I'm wrong, I'm going to admit to it, to

1488
01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:58.359
being wrong. Unlike some other people that we've had on

1489
01:27:58.399 --> 01:28:01.960
our podcast before, I hear you.

1490
01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:04.560
But listen, here's here's what I want people to take

1491
01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:06.760
away from this. And you've been on here three times

1492
01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:09.560
on this show and the reality is this. You're talking

1493
01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:11.920
from a perspective of someone who's still in the intelligence community.

1494
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:14.760
So you're getting information that while you can't, while you

1495
01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:20.159
can't divulge everything because there's ongoing investigations or missions, et cetera,

1496
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:24.199
you are coming from a place of having firsthand knowledge.

1497
01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:26.359
And I think that's important for people to realize. It's like,

1498
01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:29.359
I'm not having you here just because you're some popular

1499
01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:32.079
guy or some guy on the news or whatever it is,

1500
01:28:32.119 --> 01:28:35.359
because you actually have insight on what's really happening and

1501
01:28:35.399 --> 01:28:37.359
you could be and you tend to give it to

1502
01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:39.920
people objectively, which is which is a hard thing to

1503
01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:43.880
find these days. Everybody has some kind of objective when

1504
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:46.680
it comes to delivering information, and you tend to try

1505
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:48.239
to stay in the middle of all that, which is

1506
01:28:48.319 --> 01:28:50.760
exactly the way it should be. Yeah.

1507
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:53.039
Absolutely, that's what I always say. I think you take.

1508
01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:56.479
The reason I listened to two extremes is because I

1509
01:28:56.520 --> 01:28:59.720
do feel that the truth is somewhere in the middle,

1510
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:01.920
and so I want to know what those extremes are

1511
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:06.199
saying so that I can actually understand what's legitimately happening

1512
01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:07.920
in the run. And I think everyone should do that.

1513
01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:10.840
If you're a conservative and say I don't watch MSNBC

1514
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:13.720
because I think they're stupid, I would say, you're wrong.

1515
01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:16.279
You should listen to it so that you know their

1516
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:20.439
feelings about things that you feel or the way that's

1517
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:24.760
going on in the world. It first of all helps

1518
01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:28.039
you strengthen your own arguments for what your worldview and

1519
01:29:28.079 --> 01:29:31.159
what you believe is truly going on. But then it

1520
01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:36.880
also helps you appreciate how others feel about your beliefs

1521
01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:40.560
and your worldview, and so then you can't have legitimate

1522
01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:44.399
conversations with them, and those legitimate conversations say I understand

1523
01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:48.680
where you're coming from because I've heard it, but here

1524
01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:50.840
is why I think it's different, And I think we

1525
01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:53.600
need to get back to having those type of discussions

1526
01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:54.239
in this world.

1527
01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:57.800
Two things I'll say on that. One, you're right, because

1528
01:29:57.880 --> 01:30:02.319
I do digest on will sometimes, but I make myself

1529
01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:04.279
listen to pod Save America a once a while. And

1530
01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:09.159
and two, I think people just need to have these conversations,

1531
01:30:09.159 --> 01:30:11.079
like when you're at the bar, you're at a pub, whatever, man,

1532
01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:14.079
don't be afraid to just talk. I had this experience

1533
01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:17.800
recently with someone who was basically a hardcore leftist, but

1534
01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:19.439
you know he was the bartender. By the time we

1535
01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:23.119
were done discussing. I hey, look, I stayed I stayed back,

1536
01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:26.039
held back just because I wanted to know and understand

1537
01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:27.880
why do you think the way you do and where

1538
01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:29.840
you're coming from. And people need to be able to

1539
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:33.119
do more of that. And whether you disagree with someone

1540
01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:35.720
doesn't it doesn't matter. You still have to understand why

1541
01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:38.279
they got there. You still have to have an idea

1542
01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:39.760
of why they feel the way they do so that

1543
01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:42.720
you can make a better argument or be understanding. Just

1544
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:43.399
be understanding.

1545
01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:47.520
Yeah, I agree with that. Just that was the first

1546
01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:49.760
thing I was going to say after you were talking

1547
01:30:49.760 --> 01:30:51.960
about when you're at a bar or at a pub

1548
01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.680
and have a conversation with people, come at it not

1549
01:30:54.840 --> 01:31:01.000
don't be disingenuous about it, meaning don't identify that person's

1550
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:03.880
bias and then go I'm gonna I'm only going to

1551
01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:06.920
interject myself to call them out where I believe that

1552
01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:07.439
they're wrong.

1553
01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:08.560
I think that's the wrong approach.

1554
01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:11.600
I'm at it from the perspective of I want I'm

1555
01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:13.319
going to engage with this person because I want to

1556
01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:15.560
hear their point of view, and then I want to

1557
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:17.760
tell them. I want to let them know what my

1558
01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:20.520
point of view is and have a conversation about it.

1559
01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:23.840
Yeah. That or just walk away with the knowledge, you know,

1560
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:27.920
just walk away with the knowledge. All right, Well you

1561
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:28.640
want to wrap it up?

1562
01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:32.800
Yeah, man, yeah, you got like a minute last but.

1563
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:35.800
Yeah, it's okay, We're good, We're good. Let's just end

1564
01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:39.119
the show. Thanks for coming on, man, listen, and you,

1565
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:41.079
you and I will connect after this anyway. I'm sure

1566
01:31:41.119 --> 01:31:43.279
obviously there's just way too much going on in the world.

1567
01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:46.600
But thanks for giving us all the info and giving

1568
01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:49.439
giving your take on things and kind of just clarifying

1569
01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:53.399
all of this, because again, it's really hard to to

1570
01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:56.239
basically cut cut out the noise of everything that's going on.

1571
01:31:56.319 --> 01:32:01.800
It really is, so appreciate it, and I mean, listen, everybody,

1572
01:32:01.960 --> 01:32:06.159
listen to this Week Explain. Please, it's good stuff, great information.

1573
01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:08.760
You have to listen to it. If you like what

1574
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:10.720
I do, you're gonna like what Craven does better. I

1575
01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:11.279
guarantee you.

1576
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:14.119
I don't know about that, but so what I want

1577
01:32:14.119 --> 01:32:15.920
to say on that is, if you listen to This

1578
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:18.640
Week Explain, listen to World of Blaze, and if you

1579
01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:22.159
listen to the World of Blaze this week, because we do

1580
01:32:22.279 --> 01:32:24.840
have we differ. Uh maybe you don't hear it in

1581
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:27.239
this podcast, but listen to the first one that I

1582
01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:30.399
did with with George here, and he pushed back on

1583
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.640
a few things that that I was saying, and we actually,

1584
01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:37.119
you know, came to an understanding of I don't know

1585
01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:40.800
if we agree with the different perspectives, but we can

1586
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:44.560
agree that something's wrong and we just don't agree with

1587
01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:49.159
the solution. Those are the conversations to have, and so listen,

1588
01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:52.079
listen to both, put them both on your rotation. For me,

1589
01:32:52.159 --> 01:32:55.479
it's it's an hour a week, that's all I'm asking

1590
01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:59.159
one hour a week. I believe you you can do

1591
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:01.079
up to three or four hours.

1592
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:01.880
At a time. Times.

1593
01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:05.720
Yeah, and and some you know, one day when I

1594
01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:08.800
have a full twenty four hours to just do nothing,

1595
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:10.920
I want to come on and we can see how

1596
01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:15.239
long we can talk for. But oh wow, I'm not

1597
01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:19.680
talking about, you know, two hours a day.

1598
01:33:19.159 --> 01:33:22.560
I think at that point, at that point, I'm either

1599
01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:24.279
going to have to fly you here or whatever, and

1600
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:26.600
we're just gont to throw a barbecue, turn turn on

1601
01:33:26.640 --> 01:33:28.399
the record button, have a few beers, and just see

1602
01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:28.960
how it comes out.

1603
01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:32.920
Yeah, I absolutely think that that's what we should be doing.

1604
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:36.640
I just want to again thank you for inviting me on, uh,

1605
01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:39.319
letting me do this. And I say a lot of

1606
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:41.920
things and I ramble a lot. You'll anybody who gets

1607
01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:45.439
to know me knows that's my personality because I'm trying

1608
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:48.560
to not lose the information that I have and so

1609
01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:51.319
I want to get it out there. And I love

1610
01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:53.720
people that push back on what I'm thinking. Gives me

1611
01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:56.840
a chance to stop. Like Jordan Peterson would say, stop,

1612
01:33:57.680 --> 01:34:02.560
think about the response, and then respond to it. I

1613
01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:05.079
try to do that a lot more in my day

1614
01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:09.680
to day engagements with people. Still, thanks, thanks again, honestly

1615
01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:10.760
from the bottom of my heart.

1616
01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:12.600
Thank you from you know you're always you know, you're

1617
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:14.159
always welcome. You just need to reach out to if

1618
01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:15.039
you wanted to have a talk.

1619
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:17.520
Absolutely I have a tough time doing that as well.

1620
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:21.319
No, just you got my number. Just do it all right, man,

1621
01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:22.479
Let me let you go that way you can get

1622
01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:26.239
on with your day. And again, thanks, thanks again.

1623
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:28.960
That sounds good. We'll do this again as always.

1624
01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:31.840
Thank you for listening, and don't forget to like subscribe

1625
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:35.560
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1626
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:41.520
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1627
01:34:41.680 --> 01:34:45.920
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1628
01:34:46.359 --> 01:34:47.319
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1629
01:34:47.159 --> 01:35:00.279
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1630
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