63 - Aaron Deshotel - Host of I Had To Say It

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You are listening to a Fons Media Network production.

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Hello, World of Blaze listeners. In this episode, I welcome

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Erin Desk's Hotel. He is a chef and the host

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of the I Had to Say It podcast. Eron I

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had a great discussion about life working in the events

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and service industry, podcasting, and being a gen xer. Aaron

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has a no bullshit approach that he applies to various

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topics on his podcast, especially when it comes to current

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events and politics. As I said earlier, Erin and I

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had a great conversation. I think that you're going to

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really enjoy anyway, as we were riffing earlier, Thanks for

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coming on Erin Desk Hotel for that.

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Correct. That is correct? All right.

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So you I've come across on X a few times

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because you interact with Whiskey Hell quite a bit.

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Good guys. Yeah.

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I interact with them as well, for sure, and they

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are good guys. But it got me to listening to

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your podcast, and I'm like this, this guy at times

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could literally be almost my twin, you know. And I

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love your no bullshit approach, like the way you just

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just go after it. You call things for what it

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is and how you see it. You're not afraid to

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speak your mind. And I was like, I got to

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talk to you. I mean, this is this is uh,

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we need more of it, we need more of it.

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I'm inclined to agree with you on that one. And

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thank you. I appreciate that. And uh, actually I did

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you know I've gone throwing up and listening to your

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show too, and I was like, yeap, you know what

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this is going to work? I got this is somebody

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I can talk to, you know, And it's one of

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those things. It's like I feel like we're roughly pretty

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close to the same age too, so that might have

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something to do with it. Yeah, I believe I picked

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that up because oh jeez, now, my just I was

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just the episode I was listening to last night, Actually

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I was, I was driving home. It was the guest spot.

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You guys started out the episode smoking cigars, oh with

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Ryan Ryan McBeth, thank you, Yes, yes, And I was like,

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I'm like, at some point in there, you guys mentioned it.

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He said he's getting ready to turn fifty and you

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said you're catching up to him. I'm like, I'm a

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couple of years out myself, so I'm roughly in the

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same ballpark, and yeah we are.

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Actually, you know what, I just realized, Aaron, I mentioned

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your podcast, but your podcast is. I had to say it,

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and I have to say what your podcast is, So

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the title is I had to say it. And first

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before we move on at I'm just gonna tell everybody

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right now, if if you listen to me, you gotta

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listen to Aaron. I think you're gonna are gonna like it.

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I think I think Aaron comes off like a rapid fire.

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I have a hard time keeping up with you sometimes

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because you just spit it out man, and you're but

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you're on point the whole time, which is crazy.

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I appreciate that. It's Uh. The funny thing is occasionally

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I'll get people that were like I start interact, like

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whether it's over like a zoom call like this or

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a team's meeting, or in person or in real life,

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and people are like, you know, I thought that might

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be just a lot of editing, but you really are

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like this, And I'm like, when I get rolling, I

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can be I am. I am very verbose, I'm very

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comfortable speaking my mind. Obviously. That's the other thing. I

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got a lot of people that have heard the podcast

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have been like I don't know how you could do that,

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and da da da da, and like I I haven't

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Ever since I launched the show, I haven't really like,

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I haven't been one of the people like, oh, I

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have to maintain anonymity. This could come back and bite

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me in the ass. I've had a lot of people

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like dude, you can't say that. Yeah, I can. Actually,

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at the end of the day, I still believe that

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we'd be a lot better off if people were more

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forthright and more honest. Being artificially fake, being well, artificially

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fake is that's a redundant being artificially polite being. I mean,

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there's a time and a place for decorum and proper,

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proper manners, and like I was raised very strictly, you

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know this is appropriate. This is not I contrary to

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the image I portray it in a lot of ways

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through my show, I'm actually very good at dealing with

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situations where you have to be proper and well behaved

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and well mannered. And I won't lean on a table

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because at one point I did that in front of

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my grandmother and she cracked me in the elbow with

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a soup spoon. So I mean I do. I do

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know how to be proper, in prim and professional when

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it's required. But on the other side of the point,

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I do believe that a lot of this this falsehood

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that we put forward due to societal pressures and people, Oh, well,

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that hurts my feelings and I'm offended. Well, at the

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end of the day, maybe you need to be offended

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because people lying to each other and equivocating because they're

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afraid of social stigma, they're afraid of the backlash, they're

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afraid of somebody getting bent out of shape. They're they're

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indulging the proclivities of people to be like, my feelings

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and my values are more important than yours. So you

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can't say these things because I'm going to get but

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hurt about it and I'm gonna throw a fit. And

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we've allowed it to get to the point where you

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don't know what you're actually dealing with. And that pisss

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me off more than anything else, because in a lot

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of ways, I am a very like what you see

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is what you get, no bullshit, no equivocation. You know

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exactly where you stand with me. If I like you,

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I mean, I'm still gonna talk crap about you, because

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that's I think that's just our generation. You talk shit

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about your friends. That's that's normal to me. I don't

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believe that you would be like, oh, well, no, that's

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my best friend. I would never say anything about my

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best eat man. I will say six mean things about

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my best friend to his face, three more to his wife,

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and people come right back and make fun of my

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hairline with just as you can see non existent view.

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The listeners can't see it. I have a very shiny

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head and I forgot to put my hat on, so

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it's glaring into the camera. That's because, thanks to some

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wonderful genetics, every man on my mom's side of the

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family has that Georgekastanza toilet bowl haircut. George stands and

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I'm not rocking that look. I'm not a friar tuck.

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I'm not doing the fringe. So it's I'm clean shaven.

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I'm thankful. I have a good shaped head, which, you know,

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despite all the childhood trauma of being gen X and like,

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you know, not wearing a helmet to ride a bicycle

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and running into trees and playing football and all that

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other stuff, I still came out with a good shaped head.

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So you know count my blessings. Well, don't worry, I'm

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hiding my bald and it's under my hat as well.

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So well, I, like I said, I usually try to

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just to be polite and not have the gleam in

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the camera. But I listen to the.

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Challenges of a bald man. I swear people do not

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get it. They just don't get it.

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Oh, they really don't. And and unfortunately again family trade.

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You know, I've been shaving my head for twenty friggin

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years at this point, you know, And and when I

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was younger, particularly when I was like in my early twenties.

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Just a little background information. I'm a chef, right, I

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just I've been working in the service industry, culinary industry

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for almost thirty years at this point. Started when I

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was a teenager, just doubled down and went into it

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like hardcore. In my early twenties. I also was really

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like in my more so in my twenties than my teens,

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I really got into like, you know, weightlifting, weight training, fighting.

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I would bounce on the weekends just because I was like, oh, gee,

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it's not enough that I work fourteen hours a day.

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I need to do something at night too. To keep

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myself out of trouble, so I would bounce at night.

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And so you get this big, kind of kind of grumpy,

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kind of chiseled, bald guy walking around who happens to

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be pasty white because he never sees the sun, because

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during the day he's in a kitchen and at night

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he's in a bar. And a lot of people would

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make assumptions about my demean people I associated with who

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I was. Then they'd be like, hmm, big bald white guy,

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that he's racist as ship. And I'm like, if you

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look at my friends group of people I grew up with,

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I mean, and again, I think this is really our

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generation was kind of one of those like we didn't

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care about dumb shit. It was if you were cool,

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he'd hang out with you. If you weren't cool, we'd

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make you cry. Yeah, I mean, you're right on that

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is that's the truth. That's that's how I grew up.

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That's that's It's like, dude, we like doing X, Y

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and Z. You like doing that too, Okay, come along. Yeah,

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So I'm gonna make fun of your glasses, I'm gonna

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make fun of your haircut, and I'm gonna make fun

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of you know your waistline, but I'm not the other crap.

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We can't and you know, let's I've never cared, but

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a lot of people make assumptions about me because, like

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I said, big bald, white dude, you must be like, no,

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I've got I've gotten that too. Yeah, I've gotten that

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to Aaron. And you know what I just learned.

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Just be yourself. Man, If you're a good person, people

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eventually see it. And if they don't, honestly, they didn't

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need to be in your life. Yeah exactly.

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I mean, that's that's just bottom line. That's I completely

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agree with you. It's I mean, I I and I

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want a lot of people over just by being my me.

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I mean I am boisterous, I am loud, I am opinionated. Uh,

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which again, everything you'll hear if you listen to my

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podcast that that's maybe a little bit of amplification just

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for effect, but that's really how I am pretty much

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across the board. Again, like I said, I can turn

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it off if if the need situation arises, if I'm

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talking to somebody that's like way more important than I am.

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If I'm dealing with clients, customers, you know, patrons, my

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boss HR. Well, actually no, I shouldn't say that, because

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I'm absolutely horrible to our HR lady. But fortunately she's

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pretty cool so because she gives it right back. I

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mean she's old school then too, right, Oh, it's very

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much so she's just like, you know, you can't say that.

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That's completely inappropriate. I said, you're smiling, I'm not in trouble,

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and I'll walk away. Man, Aaron, I gotta ask you, man,

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because I think a lot of us independent podcasters we

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got in this for other reasons. But why did you

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start getting me hind of mic and press and record?

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What led to that? COVID? That's the short form answer

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of it. I have been honestly kicking around the idea

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of launching a podcast since like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,

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like the early days before people for it was actually popular. Yeah,

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And I was doing it because, like I said, I'm

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a chef. That's what I've been, that's my chosen career path,

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that's the life path I took. But in my developmental years,

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I was really into computers. I was one of those

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like mid nineties text based, twenty eight eight dial up

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internet geeks. Yep. The funny thing was in my situation.

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And I was also on the football team, and like

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I said, weight training, and I wasn't like a track person.

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I throw the heaviest. I wasn't a runner, but so'm

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but I also happened to be like honors classes, geeky.

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I was in band, I was in year book. But

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on the other hand, I was like, go ahead and

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say something, give me shit about it. I want you

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to so I but so I was really into like

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the internet pretty much from the time it started being

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a thing. So I was aware of podcasts just via that,

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and I was kind of like, this is kind of cool,

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you know, you put out these little like pseudo radio shows.

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And I was actually kind of looking at going into

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broadcasting when I first graduated from high school. That's a

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bit of an exaggeration too, When I first graduated from

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high school, Originally I was actually the first time I

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went to college, I was a going to be a

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finance major in pre law and then be a financial lawyer.

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Which that that I realized really quickly that like family

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oriented life path that like my my forebears decided was

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what Aaron should do with his life was not what

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I wanted to do, so I kind of walked away

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from that. But but at the same time, it was

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like I was debating going into broadcasting before I decided,

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you know what, I've been working in kitchens all this time.

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I think I'm going to run with that. I think

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I'd make a good chef, and so I was thinking

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about doing radio, and then I was like, well, this

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podcasting thing is kind of cool. And I have like

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a lot of my friends, particularly in my early to

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mid twenties, which you know, let's we're back at that timetable.

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All these guys were like, you know, dude, you tell

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great stories. You should do this, you should do that.

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And then you start podcasting starts becoming a thing, and

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they're like, dude, you should get you should start a podcast.

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You'd kill it. You could just get on there and

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crack jokes and da da da da dad. And I'm like, yeah,

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it's I don't have the time, because at that point

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I was starting to get into like just got married,

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dealing with a family, Like I don't have time to

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sit down and record shit. I don't have time to

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tell stories into a microphone and then try and make

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it sound good and edit it. And clean all that

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up because I, like I said, since I had kind

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of looked at going into broadcasting, I was slightly aware

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of the process. I mean not super well educated on it,

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but enough to be aware that it was more work

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than I had time to commit to it. You know,

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I had a kid to raise, I had a wife

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to a wife to keep from lighting me on fire

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in my sleep, and I was busy. And then then,

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like I said, then after kicking the idea around for

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a few years, and it came up actually on my

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Facebook memories the other day, I made a post like

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three years before I actually started the show, like, hey,

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what would you guys think if I started doing this

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here And here's a list of names you guys should

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vote on the names of what you think would be

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a good name for a podcast by Aaron. And this

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was right around the time, like Rogan was really starting

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to take off and all that stuff, so like twenty

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eighteen ish, and so again I got some responses. One

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of the names was actually pretty close to I had

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to say it, which was it was one of the

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one of the contenders was it has to be said,

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And I was like, it's almost but not right, And

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so yeah, so I've been kicking it around, like I said,

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forever basically, and then COVID happened and I got laid

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off because, like I said, culinary industry twenty twenty pretty

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much put my line of work into the ICU. I mean,

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none of us had jobs, and I can relate. I'll

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get into that later, but I can relate to that.

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But yeah, So twenty twenty year old around, and I

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was actually very fortunate because the company I was working

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for at the time, it's big national contract company, multiple divisions,

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literally thousands and thousands of employees. A lot of them

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got a lot of including some of my coworkers from

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my unit all got laid off, and then a small

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percentage of the staff was furloughed instead of laid off.

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So I was one of the people that got furloughed,

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you know. Thankfully for my situation, it worked out fantastically

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because the timing was like perfect. I got and I

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didn't get furloughed until March of twenty twenty. So the

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initial burst of COVID where everybody else was getting shut down,

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I managed to avoid because I had actually been farmed

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out from my facility to another facility. To help them

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implement a catering program. And then I was the general

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manager at that facility was going to be going on

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maternity to leave. So the plan was I would take

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over the facility when she went on maternity leave after

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I set up their new catering program for them, and

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and that that facility was involved in producing producing like

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hand sanitizers and stuff when there was a huge demand

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for all that actually an alcohol bottling facility, but they

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switched several of the production lines over to hand sanitizer. Yeah.

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Even a lot of distillers did that during that time

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so they can stay relevant in a float and pay

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their bills.

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Yeah, and that's exactly this company was bottling for those distillers.

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So they would take the you know, the big vats

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and break it down into gallon bottles. And yeah, it

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was an interesting time in my life. And uh so

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I thought I was going to be okay.

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And then so at what point during all this, like

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did you just have time in your hands and You're like,

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I just could I'm gonna finally.

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Just start this? Is that how that came about? Honestly,

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it wasn't even that. It was like I said, I

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got furloughed, So all of a sudden, I went from

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having somewhere to beat every day. And the thing is

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the company I was working for head thing where I

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still had to get up in the morning and log

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into this app that they put together to check and

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see if any of the facilities within twenty five miles

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of my home account needed people for that day, and

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if they did. As a furload employee, I had to

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say I am available for work. Because as a furload employee,

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they kept my benefits active and they and so I

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didn't have to worry about like my insurance and all

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that stuff. So I had insurance the entire time, which

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was perfect because my wife actually went in for knee

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surgery the day after I got furloughed, so and they

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told they told me it was gonna be two to

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three weeks. I was like, this is great. I can

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take two to three weeks off, stay home with my wife,

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take care of her while she's recuperating, and then go

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back to work and everything. I'll be fine. And it

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turned into like nine months. So after after like five

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or six weeks of sitting around the house, getting up

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at four thirty in the morning every day, logging into

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this app to go yep. Everybody within twenty five miles

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of my units still closed because we were all in

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the same division and everybody was furtiled, so all of

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those units were closed. So I knew nobody was working,

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so nobody was going to need me. But I still

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had to get up and log in, so it showed

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that I logged in, and I would get up in

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the morning and then like let the dog out and

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drink a cup of coffee, and I was just sitting there,

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like doing nothing, watching the news, watching TV, going stir

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crazy because I didn't have anybody to talk to other

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than my wife, and we kind of ran out of

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things to talk about because all we did was sit

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around and stare at each other all day. So I

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was like, I need to do something. This is driving

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me crazy, and you know, I was kind of hemming

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and hahn, and you know, I go from being out

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interacting with people every day to seeing just like I said,

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just my wife and occasionally my kid would come by

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the house, but by that point he had actually moved out,

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so it was, Yeah, it was very frustrating. And then

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I was apparently driving her crazy because she went online

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and got me an early birthday present and bought me

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a microphone and a little soundcard adapter thing to plug

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into my computer. And she was like, here, you need

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to use this. You know that podcast you've been talking about.

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You need to start that podcast because you need to

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talk to somebody other than me, because you're driving me

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freaking nuts. And I was like, okay, I love you, Yeah,

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I mean yeah, Well what do you say to that,

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Like okay, yes, dear, yeah right, it's go go talking

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to Mike exactly. Go go talk to random people on

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the internet and leave me the hell alone. Take your ranting, crazy,

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complaining ass in the other room. Close the door so

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I don't have to hear it. It's almost like saying,

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tell someone who gives damn. Yeah, it was a really

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nice way of telling me to go tell somebody that

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gives a damn. And what can I say. I don't

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blame her. She was not wrong. I really did need

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to just start venting my spleen a little bit, because

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that's the other thing about working in the service industry.

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I'm used to being around a lot of people. When

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I'm not in the customer facing side of things, that

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it's a different environment. I mean, I know most people

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do at least touch in service industry briefly when they're

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younger or whatever. But when you get around a bunch

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of career culinary people, like lifers, people who have made

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this their thing, there's something wrong with us. I say

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that all the time. I worked at a culinary school

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for years, and I would tell like the incoming freshman classes, like,

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if there's something wrong with you before you signed up

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for these classes, there will be something wrong with you

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by the time you get that diploma. Well, and I

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say that, Okay, what's funny. This is where the relation

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comes into what you said earlier, because I am in

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the events industry too. My company, that's what I do

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as a vent production and where the guys that the

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hanging speakers, the lights to stages where we do that,

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We do drape Shannon, We do all kinds of crazy stuff. Man.

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I actually I know exactly, you know, because I worked

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with a lot of you guys exactly specialist years. So

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that was uh with the company I was working for.

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That was literally my job title was catering specialist.

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Well, I was going to say, is I I feel

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like that like the events the industry in general, call service,

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event events, whatever, it's it's literally sometimes I feel like

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it's just made up of a bunch of misfits. You said, no,

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I don't want to I don't want to adhere to society,

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don't want to do it your way, you know, And yeah,

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it feels that way.

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There's there's a lot of like there's something wrong with us. Yeah,

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a little bit when everybody else is playing we're we're

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out here and we just we shall not conform. It's

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a it's it's a it's a truth. It's uh no,

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it is one of the things I found. I mean,

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it's kind of funny. I'm actually at this point in

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my life, I've managed to avoid a lot of the

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the less the less pleasant stereotypes I guess of the

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service industry. You know, I didn't develop any kind of

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major drug habits. I didn't. I mean, like, after you

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get to a certain point as a chef, you either

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have gone one of two routes and you're either like

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a full blown alcoholic or you're a recovery alcoholic. And

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that's a lifestyle though, right, you know, it's hard.

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The late nights, like crazy long nights, the long out

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the hours are insane and then he went. By the

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time you get home, everyone's in a sleep or there's

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no one around, so it's just you. Yeah, it's a

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hard life to live, man, because like same thing on

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our side, we do it. When we do it, we

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do I'm not lying to here, and we're literally working

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eighteen hours a day sometimes we have belore twenty four

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hour shifts where you don't get any sleep. You're dealing

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with shady promoters that can't even go out of the

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way to budge enough to get you a hotel room,

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or even you know, union labor when it's supposed to

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be a union house, and all a sudden, oh yeah,

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for you know what, there are other off it's just

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you two guys. I have these whole things like really,

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and you know we've been through the whole thing too.

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And it's like when you said, you know when your

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industry got shut down, I mean that's that was us.

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We all of a sudden, Hey, COVID's here, you can't

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do anything.

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Well, what do I do about? All these bills are

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to keep my business open, not our problem. You got

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to stop the spread, Okay, So now what Yeah, I

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I can I empathize, I feel your pain. Brother. It's uh.

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And like I said, I working as I did. Like

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I said, on the catering side of special events things,

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I've seen the work you're talking about. I respect the

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hell out of it. I've seen set up in teardowns

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that you know. And sometimes I was working in a facilities.

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Sometimes I was working in stuff where like with you know,

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some of my jobs, I was doing things like with

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colleges or with city officials where it's like we're setting

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up for twenty five thousand people to be at this function. Yep,

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you guys are heroes. I got. I I can coordinate

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my brigade and we'll have you know, fifty thousand sandwiches

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and you know, one hundred thousand sides done before the

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doors open. But you know that's just you know, preparation

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and repetition. You guys are doing all the brutal stuff.

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Yeah, but you know, I feel like if you're in events,

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in your in service man, there's a camaraderie regard. This

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doesn't matter if you're if you're a chef, you're an

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av guy, it doesn't matter. We're all going to the

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same crap. We're all taking shit, we're all getting talked

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down to. We're all having these crazy expectations put on us,

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all because client X can't afford to pay for four

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days that we need to set up and do our jobs.

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All has to be done in two oh and by

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the way, you got to get everything out after the event.

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When does the event? And oh two in the morning.

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Oh okay, yep, and we got something else going on

473
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:53.759
at nine point thirty exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're

474
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:58.200
talking my language. I get it. I I have definitely

475
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:02.279
I've been there. I feel you pain. It's uh, there's

476
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.920
something special about us. I'll say that. I'll just say

477
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:09.359
we're different. Yeah for it, We're a little We're a

478
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.359
little different. So did you so? So how did you feel?

479
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:15.119
What you look? And we cry on it, which is

480
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.799
just well, you know, we we do. We actually do

481
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.359
somehow it feeds us. I don't understand it, but you know,

482
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.519
I'll be honest here. And you know, as as I've

483
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.640
done this for so many years and I've owned my

484
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.200
business going on twenty seven years, I'm kind of getting tired, man,

485
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.799
I really am. But you know, until I can find

486
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:35.599
the excess strategy, I'm still in it. And it's not

487
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.839
like I hate I don't I hate doing it. It's

488
00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:39.720
just I think I'm just physically getting worn down after

489
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:39.960
a while.

490
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.319
There's so much that your body can do, and the

491
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:43.720
you're just like, oh yeah, it's getting hard to stay

492
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:44.559
up till two in the morning.

493
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:46.160
Man. It's like I can't be driving.

494
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.319
I can't be driving back to the shop at two

495
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:50.039
am and getting home at you know, at eight in

496
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.200
the morning. You know, a lot of those nights are

497
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:53.440
kind of I think a lot of those days are

498
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.359
getting behind me. But and I'm sure you probably feel

499
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:58.119
the same way a lot of a lot of times now,

500
00:25:58.240 --> 00:25:59.599
I mean you have.

501
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:01.960
To, I'll be honest, I kind of I found the

502
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:06.960
cheat code. It my industry, okay, chef, I should say

503
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.240
I found the cheat code. I went into corporate services.

504
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:15.400
Uh yeah, back right right before right before h COVID

505
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.759
hit I got. I got a corporate services job Monday

506
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:23.119
through Friday, with very minimal exceptions. The downside was I

507
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:24.839
had to be at work at four forty five in

508
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:29.160
the morning. The upside was I was home by like three. Yeah,

509
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.759
so yeah, that's nice. That's nice. And I had weekends

510
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.119
and and uh you know.

511
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:36.440
What, that's that's the thing A lot of people don't51200:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.000



understand about us, Like, like you got into corporate services,51300:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.720



you got that schedule, but before then, like I missed51400:26:41.720 --> 00:26:46.000



every holiday, every birthday, celebrate like, but people don't understand51500:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.519



about guys like us when you're celebrating. The reason you51600:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.079



have all these amenities is because we're working that.51700:26:52.119 --> 00:26:58.119



Day, oh, without a doubt. And and then I don't51800:26:58.119 --> 00:26:59.200



know how it is for you. But I found the51900:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.839



backside of that on my I coin was on the rare, rare,52000:27:04.240 --> 00:27:08.160



rare occasion where I wasn't humping. On one of those days,52100:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.559



I would get some jackass family member like, Hey, you're52200:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.759



a chef. You want to help me? Well, you know52300:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.480



we're having one hundred people over at my house for52400:27:17.559 --> 00:27:21.839



the Fourth of July. You want to come over and barbecue? No,52500:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.400



you're like I do. That was a matter of fact.52600:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.920



I don't you remember when we were kids and I52700:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.279



used to shove your head in the fucking toilet. Guess52800:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.279



what's happening again? If I come to your house? Uh,52900:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.200



it was crazy. Is one of those blue pucks in53000:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.759



there too? I want I want the water to look53100:27:36.799 --> 00:27:43.519



like Grandma's house. It knows crazy? Is my original pathway53200:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.559



there was two. But originally I actually wanted to be53300:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.039



a chef and I wanted to go to the San53400:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.599



Francisco Culinary Institute. And the only reason that never happened53500:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.880



is I couldn't get the finances to do it. And53600:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.799



then I veered into other directions because, like you said,53700:27:58.839 --> 00:28:00.680



you were in band. I don't know what what instrument53800:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.960



did you pay Let's see primary instrument. I played trumpet53900:28:04.960 --> 00:28:11.000



in the actual school band. I also played guitar, keyboards, harmonica. Awesome.54000:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.559



I was like, everybody in my family plays at least54100:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.880



two instruments, so nice, man, it's a family thing. Yeah,54200:28:17.039 --> 00:28:17.279



I was.54300:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.839



I was a drummer, and then so I got out54400:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.240



of that and progressed into music, and then you know,54500:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.440



got into being a sound engineers, recording studios, all etc.54600:28:26.759 --> 00:28:28.359



And then it just kind of just went that direction.54700:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.599



And then one day I was just like, yeah, you know,54800:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.920



I'm playing all over the place in this band. We're traveling,54900:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.880



you know, playing at the Whiskey, the you know, you55000:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.880



name all these big clubs. I'm starting our name out there,55100:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.000



and I'm just like, but until we make it, it's55200:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.160



not happening. And it's costing me to do these gigs55300:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.599



and I can go on the weekend provide some services55400:28:44.599 --> 00:28:46.839



and make some actual money. And then I just abandoned55500:28:46.839 --> 00:28:50.359



that and just got into production, you know, providing production.55600:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.440



And then that happened something. You know.55700:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.759



What's funny is almost everybody I know who became an engineer,55800:28:57.799 --> 00:29:00.799



almost everybody who became a sound engineer or uh a55900:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.079



production owner, was a drummer. It's a weird thing. I56000:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.000



don't know why, but it just seems to there's something56100:29:05.039 --> 00:29:08.880



about that, that trait that attracts us to this crazy lifestyle.56200:29:09.480 --> 00:29:13.359



Uh, now that you mentioned it, yeah, I'm thinking about it,56300:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.759



thinking about a few of the drummers I know. Yeah, yeah,56400:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.440



Now that actually is a track. Hey, so when when56500:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.559



you when you got when you when you started the show? Though? Man,56600:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.480



so you started venting and and how'd you feel about56700:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.319



just vanding in the mic and just talking into the ether.56800:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.920



It's like, did you did you? Did you expect anybody56900:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.680



to listen to you or anyone to catch onto the57000:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.559



show or are you just saying fuck it, I'm just57100:29:35.599 --> 00:29:36.240



I'm just gonna talk.57200:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.640



If I'm being completely out, No, I'm still surprised people57300:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.680



listen and that's you know, I maybe it's you know,57400:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.039



some underlying, you know, personal issues where I just I57500:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.000



but I still am like kind of surprised. What I'll57600:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.119



be just bullshitting with one of my online friends and57700:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.759



and uh, they'll just oh, yeah, you know when you57800:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.480



said this the other day, I'm like, oh, yeah, I57900:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.200



forgot we met because you said you listened to my podcast.58000:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.640



I forgot about that. And I've definitely made some some58100:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.160



for you know, people I've never actually met in the58200:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.279



real world. I've made some pretty good friends because of58300:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.799



the show, just again and with the whole COVID thing,58400:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.480



and like a lot of people decided to start podcasts58500:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.079



because they didn't have anything else going on and they58600:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.160



didn't have any way to talk to their friends.58700:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.319



So yeah, I feel I feel like a lot of58800:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.000



people who've been doing it as long as we have,58900:30:28.039 --> 00:30:29.720



well you've been doing little longer than I have, for sure,59000:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.799



but that we all, we all kind of started based59100:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.599



out of that frustration during that that pandemic time, right,59200:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.240



and it was like, well, you know what, I realized59300:30:39.240 --> 00:30:42.119



I do have an opinion, and and I felt like,59400:30:42.200 --> 00:30:42.480



to me.59500:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.359



I don't know if you felt this way because Uh.59600:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.559



I felt like, look, I'm hearing this jackass talk all59700:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.359



this crap and get in offering his opinion, and I'm59800:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.559



and I'm thinking, if this guy is famous in doing this,59900:30:53.599 --> 00:30:55.880



why can't I just offer my two cents on on60000:30:56.039 --> 00:30:56.920



the subject?60100:30:57.119 --> 00:30:58.480



You know, why not? Why not me?60200:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.319



And and that's why I started doing I was like,60300:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.079



you know, I got some stuff to say too. And60400:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.640



I always felt like a lot of people, you know,60500:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.680



like the talking heads that are in my space, like60600:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.119



you're kind of in the same thing you do, like60700:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.759



the news and politics thing a lot like news commentary politics.60800:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.559



I don't think that's your entire show. I know you60900:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.079



talk about other things. But yeah, it really wasn't that's61000:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.079



that wasn't the original intention. Yeah, it seems to be61100:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.839



what's at the forefront of my ire every time I61200:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.799



sit down in front of gravitated that way. Yeah, it61300:31:26.920 --> 00:31:28.960



just it was a natural progression kind of thing.61400:31:29.119 --> 00:31:30.759



But I found a lot of these talking heads were61500:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.240



just really to me, living on the surface, man, you know,61600:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.759



there's just very surface level, not really getting deep about61700:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.599



anything and just feeding their pocket. But like I just61800:31:40.599 --> 00:31:43.119



felt they're saying things because they know it's getting a61900:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.759



certain reaction, that certain reaction is feeding their bank account.62000:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.720



And yeah, and I wanted to go deeper.62100:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.640



And then when I heard you, it's it's like you62200:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.519



you seem very similar, except you know, you're not afraid62300:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.319



to go that's bullshit.62400:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.440



No, this is what it is. This is exactly how62500:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.480



it is. And I heard I heard your show a62600:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.559



few times to where you even you even mentioned like62700:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.400



at one time, not to get to polarizing or you know,62800:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.440



a raw, raw team whatever, but you lean more democrat62900:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.079



and now you're kind of I mean, I think you're63000:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.319



more center, but you're you're just not afraid to call63100:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.759



people out on their ship and sometimes you lean a63200:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.119



little more right. But you know, how do you feel63300:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.559



about this whole right versus left bullshit? To be honest,63400:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.759



I think it's fucking retarded. Yeah, to be completely honest,63500:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.759



and yes, I still say fucking retarded. But they bring63600:32:28.799 --> 00:32:33.240



retard back. Yeah, exactly, we're taking it back. That's right,63700:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.799



because I mean, you know it's it's it's like the63800:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.480



meme says, retard is not what you say to people63900:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.640



with legitimate medical conditions and handicaps. Retard is what you64000:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.559



say to your friends when they're being fucking retarded. Yeah, yeah,64100:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.799



it's it's just the way it is. But you're you're64200:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.039



I mean, I'm gonna say you're right. I am definitely64300:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.799



more centrist and and honestly I always have been. It's64400:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.920



just in my younger days I was more left leaning64500:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.279



central based on the standards of the time. My most64600:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.519



of most of my core philosophical beliefs have not changed much.64700:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.319



I mean, you have to change a little bit, because64800:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.519



if you're not changing and growing, you're dead. Whether you're64900:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.680



whether you're actually in the ground or not, you know,65000:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.240



you're not You're not living if you're not evolving. No,65100:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.400



I agree with that. So, yeah, some of my stances65200:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.440



and beliefs have changed. But like I've always I'm a65300:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.839



gun guy. I've always been a gun guy, even when65400:33:26.839 --> 00:33:31.279



I was considered more liberal, because I don't care if65500:33:31.319 --> 00:33:36.720



you're gay, straights, by Polly, any of that ship. I65600:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.200



don't care. It never bothered me. I've got gay friends.65700:33:41.720 --> 00:33:44.559



I have I have. I have a friend who I65800:33:44.759 --> 00:33:48.119



just referred to as a massive horror because he, by65900:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.400



his definition, he's polyamorous. I'm like, dude, you'll fuck anything66000:33:51.400 --> 00:33:54.960



that holds still long enough. That's not pomorous, that's non discerning.66100:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.119



You're just overly horny, exactly. I'm like, you're you're horny.66200:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.279



You're not you're you're You're not some you know, unique66300:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.319



snowflake of a fucking character. You're just really hornied up.66400:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.519



And you know, and and he's still my friend. I'm not.66500:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.199



You know, it's not a matter of judgment, like you're66600:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.400



a bad person because you like humpin'. No. I mean,66700:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.199



I get it. I questioned some of his choices, like,66800:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.280



you know, just to have a little self respect, Like66900:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.880



really that's ill. But I mean, if he's happy and67000:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.360



his whatever he's hopping on is happy, you know, I67100:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.119



don't care. It doesn't impact me. He's not touching my junks,67200:34:32.199 --> 00:34:35.199



So I don't care. Right. That used to be considered67300:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.480



a very liberal stance, like, oh my god, you're not67400:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.199



gonna judge that guy for liking another guy. I don't know.67500:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.039



They make each other happy, and they're both adults, who67600:34:43.199 --> 00:34:44.679



freaking cares? You know what?67700:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.280



Isn't it crazy how that became something that was akin67800:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.000



to politics, when in fact, it's really like our generation.67900:34:50.079 --> 00:34:51.920



I think, like you're on you're a Gen X retailing,68000:34:51.960 --> 00:34:56.039



a gen X. Yeah, when we grew up, that's literally68100:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.000



just what our generation thoughts, like who cares? And and68200:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.719



and I get so I get. I'm so tired of68300:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.320



waking up looking at posts on X around the news.68400:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.639



It's a little different now that Trump got elected, but68500:35:06.079 --> 00:35:11.159



it's still there to where this this whole sexual preference68600:35:11.519 --> 00:35:17.199



slash identification warfare bullshit. It's like everybody thinks that people68700:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.199



like you and I like today, they're considering us maga68800:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.079



hard right, right, people.68900:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.079



I must be I must be maga because that's our69000:35:25.159 --> 00:35:27.760



label now, right, And they think people like us are69100:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.320



waking up every day going fuck that gay guy?69200:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.840



Who am I going to mess with today? Who am69300:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.199



I gonna go yell at today? And in reality is69400:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.760



like I people just don't realize that we don't care.69500:35:38.119 --> 00:35:42.000



We just don't care. If that's your preference in your life, great, yes,69600:35:42.079 --> 00:35:43.639



I mean it makes you happy, man, just don't push69700:35:43.679 --> 00:35:44.039



it on me.69800:35:44.360 --> 00:35:48.519



It's finactly you do you and I mean, but it69900:35:48.559 --> 00:35:50.719



doesn't mean we can't be friends. Yeah, it doesn't mean70000:35:50.760 --> 00:35:52.440



we can't be friends, except for the problem is you70100:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.719



don't want to be my friend because I don't care70200:35:56.679 --> 00:36:00.480



and you equate me not giving a shit with me70300:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.920



somehow judging you and not validating you, and say, if70400:36:04.960 --> 00:36:06.920



if you I can get a little soapboxy here for70500:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.920



a second. Because I was actually just thinking about this70600:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.519



the other day again because the post I saw on70700:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.199



X and it was one of those things where I70800:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.079



read it and I started to type out a reply,70900:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.719



and I realized, even though I, yes, I'm one of71000:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.400



those people, I pay for X because I believe not71100:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.000



even necessarily that, I you know, was like, yeah, here,71200:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.480



I'm gonna be a big elon fanboy. I did it71300:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.840



because I do believe it's a better platform for free speech.71400:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.559



It's not perfect, none of them are. There are biases,71500:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.400



there are still you know, algorithms. You can definitely create71600:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.599



a neck with chamber if you're not careful. Oh yeah.71700:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.840



But I also wanted the extra character limit. I got71800:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.800



tired of having to do like, here's my post one71900:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.599



of question mark and having to go on and on72000:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.079



and on. So I was like, you know what, to me,72100:36:50.159 --> 00:36:51.760



it's worth the extra eight dollars to not be able72200:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.079



to have to make multiple posts to get my point across.72300:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.360



Not that anybody ever clicks the read more when I72400:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.199



type stuff, I guarantee they don't because nobody cares. But72500:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.000



but I started to type up a response to this72600:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.480



post I saw and it was one of those like,72700:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.320



you know, a week after Trump was inaugurated and they're,72800:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.519



oh my god, they're gonna take all our rights. They72900:37:11.719 --> 00:37:15.119



they took away the other identities on our passport form.73000:37:15.559 --> 00:37:18.960



And I went, you know what, I have a thought73100:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.519



that you're not gonna like let me start, and I73200:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.000



was like, Okay, first off, this person is probably gonna73300:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.519



get nine thousand k poor applies to this, so the73400:37:26.559 --> 00:37:29.280



odds of anyone that actually needs to read this reading73500:37:29.320 --> 00:37:33.440



it become infantesmal. And also I was like, this is73600:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.760



a whole lot to do with my thumbs, because this73700:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.039



is I am still of that mindset, and I think73800:37:39.079 --> 00:37:41.079



this is more of an our generation thing where it's73900:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.719



like I'm still sitting there going in the back of74000:37:43.760 --> 00:37:45.840



my mind, I hear a voice going, nothing worth reading74100:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.480



has ever been written using only your thumbs, And I74200:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.119



know that's no longer true, but I mean I spent74300:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.599



years talking shit about everybody who texted on a regular basis.74400:37:56.199 --> 00:37:57.679



I'm like, you know what, I have a phone in74500:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.440



my hand. Yeah, you want to tell me something. Take74600:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.599



the three seconds, call me, say here's what I got74700:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.239



to say, and then hang the fuck up. I don't care.74800:38:04.280 --> 00:38:05.960



We don't have to have a conversation. Just tell me.74900:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.719



I'm not going to sit here. And you know, again75000:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.199



going back to like, you know, when we had just75100:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.559



nine buttons on our phone and yet one, one, one, three, Yeah,75200:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.400



I hated that. I hated that.75300:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.599



Yeah, incursions to what we have now that's considered text75400:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.159



Like the generations aftors have no idea the struggle to75500:38:24.159 --> 00:38:25.159



be out, quite honest.75600:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.039



They don't understand why we hated texting when it first75700:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.400



came out. Yeah, there was, there was a legitimate reason.75800:38:31.559 --> 00:38:35.519



My kid brother had a two way pager and to75900:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.079



me that was the dumbest thing on the planet because76000:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.599



the only other people who could use that were other76100:38:38.599 --> 00:38:42.280



people with two way pagers. Exactly made no sense. This76200:38:42.440 --> 00:38:48.400



makes no sense, your thumb talking again. Yeah, so so76300:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.800



your post you decided did did you? Did you post76400:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.559



a response? Or you just decided it wasn't worth it76500:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.599



because again it just got way too long winded where76600:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.119



I was just like, you know what, I don't feel76700:38:56.119 --> 00:38:57.719



like typing this whole thing out. But I had a76800:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.000



thought and it's actually very pertinent to what we're talking76900:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.639



about here right now, because, like you said, with our generation,77000:39:03.800 --> 00:39:08.239



we didn't care. We didn't judge anybody for being orientedly77100:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.400



different or identifying different. We didn't care. I mean, I77200:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.840



have a friend who in nineteen ninety seven was cross77300:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.239



dressing on a regular basis. Good dude, gay as the77400:39:20.320 --> 00:39:24.199



day is long, liked wearing dresses. I didn't give a shit.77500:39:24.519 --> 00:39:26.559



I'd see him walking down the street. I didn't oh77600:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.039



my god, that dude's in add I'd be like, what's up, Steve?77700:39:29.320 --> 00:39:33.199



You know nothing. I don't care. Yeah, who cares? It77800:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.119



makes him happy, It doesn't hurt anybody. He's not, you know,77900:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.440



walking around with his junk hanging out. He's not embarrassing anybody.78000:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.760



Who cares. He likes a dress. I don't care. But78100:39:45.400 --> 00:39:48.559



and to us that was normal, you know that that78200:39:48.760 --> 00:39:50.960



was and that was a lot of progress from like78300:39:51.079 --> 00:39:55.559



our parents' generation where and the kids nowadays don't get it.78400:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.639



Grandma and Grandpa were judge as fuck kids. I hate78500:39:58.639 --> 00:40:03.920



to tell you that, yes, but we were not so much.78600:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.079



It was just like, I don't care. It doesn't impact me,78700:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.199



It doesn't directly affect my life. It doesn't hit my78800:40:08.199 --> 00:40:13.679



bottom line, I don't care. And at some point, I mean,78900:40:13.679 --> 00:40:18.280



because that is really realistically, that's acceptance. That's not you know,79000:40:18.639 --> 00:40:22.559



when you're you're foregoing judgment because it doesn't directly impact79100:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.719



your life. That is pretty much the definition of accepting something.79200:40:26.400 --> 00:40:30.039



Acceptance stopped being enough, and that's how I started to79300:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.679



lose the narrative. I think our generation didn't care because79400:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.320



we were kind of the generation where the we didn't well,79500:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.840



let's just be honest. Parents weren't that involved.79600:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.480



It was more like, girl, We're like, hey, come back79700:40:44.519 --> 00:40:49.400



when the sun goes down, right, And it used to yeah, yeah, right,79800:40:49.440 --> 00:40:50.280



it used to be that way.79900:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.760



And so we had.80000:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.039



To interact and find others to connect with and get80100:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.320



to know people. So I think that's probably where the80200:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.000



attitude came from, because we actually interacted with each other80300:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.559



other and and we realize like, yeah, we're all human,80400:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.639



we're all this, we're all similar, like we're all people80500:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.639



who are just trying to live our best lives exactly.80600:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.159



Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna touch on something about X though,80700:41:13.760 --> 00:41:20.239



because the thing about X I I've noticed is, all right,80800:41:20.360 --> 00:41:26.559



everybody everybody is a professional. Everybody's an author, an authoritive80900:41:26.599 --> 00:41:30.159



figure on every single fucking subject. And I read some81000:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.400



of these things, and and I do a lot of81100:41:32.480 --> 00:41:33.880



research on my show. I do.81200:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.960



I will do some deep dives. And when I when81300:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.440



I see a post, I'm like, that's not right or81400:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.840



exactly right. And and and the thing I hate about81500:41:42.920 --> 00:41:44.519



X is like, I know I could like you, like81600:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.320



you probably just went through. I know I can respond,81700:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.159



but but this platform is not necessarily the place to81800:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.480



be able to respond and and get your point across,81900:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.119



because there's so much more to it, Like it involves82000:41:56.119 --> 00:42:00.559



an actual conversation. And when I've when I've tried engage82100:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.519



people to get into a debate or at least have82200:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.519



an open conversation, their response is I'm gonna block you82300:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.280



and run away, Like then we want to deal with you.82400:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.840



I found out recently when when they changed how the82500:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.280



block fere feature works, I found out there were there82600:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.440



there are several people I've never interacted with ever that82700:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.039



have blocked me. And you know, because I go to82800:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.199



you know, follow a link on a post from somebody82900:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.239



else that made a comment, and then it's like, oh here,83000:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.199



let me go check out this person's profile and see83100:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.320



more about them before I either lay into them really harder.83200:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.360



Maybe I'm actually interested in their perspective. This account has83300:42:33.400 --> 00:42:35.440



blocked you. You cannot interact with their posts. You can83400:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.719



still see their posts. I'm oh, fuck me running okay.83500:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.199



Yeah, crazy person yeah, or or I'm not gonna get83600:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.360



too big in this because honestly, exit there's a lot83700:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.360



of communities I talk about this bs but or you'll83800:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.199



or you'll find out later like it's not outright, but83900:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.119



you can you can tell when you've been muted by84000:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.840



larger accounts. So like, for example, I can put a84100:42:55.880 --> 00:42:57.920



post that maybe has a couple of hundred I've done84200:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.320



something to have a few thousand responses, and then I84300:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.480



could respond to I'll just I don't even give a84400:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.719



shit what they could do to me, like a gun84500:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.239



through Eagleman. For example, when I first responded to them,84600:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.159



I would get some decent traction and then all of84700:43:10.199 --> 00:43:11.960



a sudden, I don't know what I said. But now84800:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.400



if i'd make a response, I'll get like five five impressions,84900:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.320



maybe twenty, and it's like it doesn't make sense. And85000:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.360



basically what I'm trying to get at is people's instant85100:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.599



need for instagratification and affirmation of their thoughts just just85200:43:26.639 --> 00:43:28.519



to look like the authority or the hero, I think85300:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.840



is a real problem in today's society. Nobody wants to85400:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.159



be challenged, nobody wants to have the conversations, and even85500:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.880



when you prevent present the facts and data, they still85600:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.559



are in disbelief. They're still in disbelief.85700:43:41.280 --> 00:43:45.360



It doesn't it doesn't fit the the pre drawn conclusion85800:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.880



they've come into the conversation with. So it must be wrong,85900:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.599



or you must be lying, or you must that your86000:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.199



information must be false, or you're just the you know,86100:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.760



insert topic of the like you're the pobe, you're THET,86200:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.119



you're the it, you're the whatever. Use I mean, God86300:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.719



forbid you come to the table with facts and I86400:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.360



agree with your conversation. As a lost art these days,86500:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.519



we've lost the ability to disagree with people without I mean,86600:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.920



people are so tied up in the like these notions86700:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.039



of this is who I am, this defines who I am,86800:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.800



this is what I am, that anyone that holds a86900:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.360



different opinion or a different thought is seen as an87000:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.000



attack as opposed to just somebody that sees things differently87100:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.719



and since people view this as an attack on their personhood,87200:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.719



I feel like they've lost the ability to not even87300:44:33.760 --> 00:44:38.480



necessarily be objective, but to hear dissenting and discerning opinions,87400:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.800



because again, they're taking it as a personal attack on them. Well,87500:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.599



you don't agree with me, so you must hate me.87600:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.679



It's like, and I don't know how we got to87700:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.440



this point where it's that, because to me, that's an87800:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.320



utterly ridiculous way of looking at life. And that's probably87900:44:54.320 --> 00:44:56.159



why I'm a lot happier than a lot of younger88000:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.840



people are. Yeah, I've seen tholes, like people in the88100:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.280



like twenty one to twenty seven age bracket are all miserable,88200:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.719



and I'm like, that's because they get butter to buy88300:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.960



the dumbest shit. You know, I agree with you, it's88400:45:11.000 --> 00:45:14.159



it's you cannot like me or what I say all88500:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.000



you want at the end of the day. Since I'm88600:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.440



not sleeping with you and you don't sign my paychecks,88700:45:19.440 --> 00:45:24.880



it doesn't matter, right. But yeah, I mean, like I said,88800:45:24.920 --> 00:45:28.159



that's just why I'm happier than most people in their twenties.88900:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.480



It's not because I'm in my forties and I finally89000:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.880



managed to amass wealth and happiness because I promise you89100:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.320



I haven't the other thing. I picked an industry where89200:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.559



it's really hard. I mean, you can do okay, you89300:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.679



can be comfortable, but it's really hard to get to89400:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.440



that point where you're like, yeah, I'm good now.89500:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.119



And it's hard work unless you're like unless you become89600:45:47.159 --> 00:45:48.920



like one of these rock star chefs who happen to89700:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.920



break out, you know, and get all the all the glory.89800:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.719



And thing that comes back. A few of those guys. Yeah,89900:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.360



oh oh, I have some stories really well. I mean90000:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.679



a couple of them. I actually I could probably get90100:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.840



sued if I brought them up. Of course, you work90200:46:06.880 --> 00:46:08.719



with them that you make you guys sign NDAs and90300:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.199



all that. Oh yeah, I've I actually, most of most90400:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.760



of the like like name chefs I've met have actually90500:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.119



been pretty cool guys when you get them outside of90600:46:18.159 --> 00:46:24.199



like outside of that like public persona. That's good. I've90700:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.760



run into I've I've interacted with some of these guys90800:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.039



just through you know, big events things like that. It's90900:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.119



never been like a like, hey, I'm Aaron and you're91000:46:32.119 --> 00:46:33.679



here to work with me and it's gonna be cool.91100:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.039



It's more like, oh no, you're here as this celebrity91200:46:36.079 --> 00:46:40.440



face and I'm just a grunt. But how you treat91300:46:40.480 --> 00:46:42.000



me is going to tell me all I need to91400:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.960



know about what kind of absolutely man.91500:46:44.280 --> 00:46:48.039



It's I've always appreciated any famous person who never forgot91600:46:48.079 --> 00:46:51.159



their roots and they can connect with you. Oh yeah, okay,91700:46:51.199 --> 00:46:52.960



so I got I got a couple of stories then,91800:46:53.079 --> 00:46:58.159



because I'll name these people. So I remember when I91900:46:58.239 --> 00:47:02.719



did so we provided production for the Misfits one year92000:47:03.400 --> 00:47:07.440



and Jerry only and I remember that guy's through that92100:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.599



bass stack was ridiculous, but didn't have to put it92200:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.079



in the PA. I'm not gonna lie, and so fast92300:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.440



forward this is what happened. So this was like I'm92400:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.599



gonna say, maybe a year and a half, I meet92500:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.599



this guy. I'm just a production guy, like they see92600:47:20.599 --> 00:47:22.519



these they see me all the time, guys like me92700:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.039



right here, today, gone, tomorrow, whatever, move on to the92800:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.800



next show. And so I'm working with him and somehow,92900:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.599



I do not know how, but he remembered me. So93000:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.320



I go to you ever heard of Nam?93100:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.719



Yeah? Okay, so Nam over in Anaheim's like the big93200:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.920



musical instrument conference show all the manufacturers. So I go93300:47:41.960 --> 00:47:45.840



there and I'm walking and I got my passes and93400:47:45.840 --> 00:47:47.480



my dad's with me. He's a musician, so he was.93500:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.360



He was with me, and we're walking and checking stuff out,93600:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.079



and all of a sudden, I just hear someone yelling93700:47:51.159 --> 00:47:52.519



my name. I'm like, who the hell knows I'm here.93800:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.719



I'm looking around and it's Jerry. Only he was out93900:47:54.719 --> 00:47:59.480



of booth and he saw me, and hey, I'm like,94000:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.119



how does this guy even fucking remember me? And then94100:48:03.119 --> 00:48:04.519



I go over and he goes, come here, and he94200:48:04.559 --> 00:48:06.559



kept waving over. I'm like, I'm like, hey, how you94300:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.559



doing man? He goes, he goes Modesto because I live94400:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.920



in Modesto, California. Go I go yeah, and he goes.94500:48:11.960 --> 00:48:12.920



I go, how do you remember that?94600:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.119



He goes get over here and he kicks these guys94700:48:15.119 --> 00:48:16.440



out that he was talking to and he puts his94800:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.480



arm around me. He takes this picture. I'm like, holy shit,94900:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.000



that was That was really cool man. And there's some95000:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.599



guys are like that. Another guy was like that was95100:48:24.199 --> 00:48:25.559



Ronnie James Dio, same thing.95200:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.320



I think I've actually heard that before that he was.95300:48:28.400 --> 00:48:29.519



He was a really cool guy.95400:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.320



One interaction vague interaction, by the way, not like I95500:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.119



got close in person with the guy, but somehow remember95600:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.400



my face and was kind of like the same same way,95700:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.280



and uh, there was a few other other guys like that,95800:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.360



So that totally changed my perception of some of these guys.95900:48:43.639 --> 00:48:45.920



But there are the ones that are complete assholes, man,96000:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.239



and and they just they just they let the fame96100:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.679



get to their head. Uh. But it's good to hear96200:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.480



that you had that experience with some of these chefs96300:48:53.480 --> 00:48:55.159



to where they're like offline, they're like, yeah, you know,96400:48:55.960 --> 00:48:56.480



I get it.96500:48:56.599 --> 00:49:00.000



You know, they were just regular. But it's like in Chicago,96600:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.559



go every year they got the National Restaurant Show, National96700:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.679



Restaurant Association as this big show fills up the convention center.96800:49:08.800 --> 00:49:12.239



It's like four days and it's I haven't been to96900:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.840



it in several years just because I whether it was97000:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.960



like I couldn't get the time off work or just97100:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.039



like the past is kept getting more and more expensive97200:49:20.039 --> 00:49:21.239



and it was like, if work's not going to pay97300:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.920



for this, I'm not freaking going. Because it's it's an97400:49:23.960 --> 00:49:28.000



industry show. It's you know, new products, new companies, existing products,97500:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.920



existing companies, food vendors bringing out you know new but97600:49:31.960 --> 00:49:36.920



for for your industry and it and so it's and97700:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.159



it's a big thing. And like back in the early97800:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.239



to mid two thousands, it was an entirely different creature.97900:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.800



It started changing just because of society shifts and stuff98000:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.400



like that. But like in when I was in culinary98100:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.159



school and a young man, I it was like every98200:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.199



single booth had some sort of liquor at it. I mean,98300:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.639



it was really leaning into that side of the service industry.98400:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.239



It was. I mean, there were there there were lectures,98500:49:59.239 --> 00:50:03.280



there were there were conferences, there were breakout sessions, teaching sessions.98600:50:03.639 --> 00:50:08.559



There competitions, ice ice carving competition, stuff like that. The98700:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.639



ice carving team from my culinary school was there competing98800:50:11.639 --> 00:50:14.760



one year. And I and like, my school had a98900:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.480



booth there, and I worked the booth one year just99000:50:18.519 --> 00:50:20.719



so I could go to the show for free. And99100:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.519



then I hung out of the booth for like forty99200:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.400



five minutes and then I spent like three hours walking99300:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.559



around the show doing shots at every booth. So and yeah,99400:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.519



good times, you know. And I had a driver that99500:50:31.599 --> 00:50:32.960



day because one of the one of the one of99600:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.920



the instructors, drove the bus from the school to the99700:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.280



to the to the conference centers. So so we you know,99800:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.360



I was like, yeah, I don't have to be I99900:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.239



don't have to behave I'm as long as I'm not100000:50:43.320 --> 00:50:47.719



falling down. I'm straight and right, and you know, it100100:50:47.760 --> 00:50:49.199



was a good time. Like there'd be you know, like100200:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.800



pan manufacturers, knife manufacturers, and I got I got a100300:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.840



nine dollars set of chef's knives for like one hundred100400:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.320



and seventy five bucks because I went on the last100500:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.840



day at the convention and just offered the offered guy100600:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.320



money for the display and just I'm like, look, I100700:51:04.360 --> 00:51:06.039



know what you're doing. You're gonna sell all this ship100800:51:06.119 --> 00:51:07.199



so you don't have to pack it up.100900:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.599



Yes, Like that's exactly what happens at these trade shows.101000:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.599



Yeah. So that's why I love the trade shows because101100:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.079



I would always go on the last day of the101200:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.679



show and just clean house. I would I would leave101300:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.039



with like the bed of my pickup truck full of shit,101400:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.159



and I'd be out like, you know, maybe a couple101500:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.159



hundred bucks, but I'd be walking out with display pieces101600:51:28.199 --> 00:51:32.360



of you know, like kitchen gadgets and like cases of101700:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.880



like sample products and packages of individually and individually packed101800:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.760



fruit snacks that it's a new flavor of fruit snack101900:51:39.800 --> 00:51:42.280



we're gonna be bringing to market. I've got six hundred102000:51:42.280 --> 00:51:43.760



of these in the back of my truck on the102100:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.599



last day of the show, so some poor bastard didn't102200:51:46.599 --> 00:51:47.960



have to load them up. Did you.102300:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.679



Did you ever see any celebrity personalities go to some102400:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.000



of these vendors and just kind of.102500:51:52.920 --> 00:51:59.360



Like, guess free it would? They would show up like like,102600:51:59.480 --> 00:52:03.440



I'm here endorsing this, You're on a fucking show on102700:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.920



the w B. Why are you here at a food show?102800:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.519



You know what, I don't care. How you doing? Nice102900:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.800



to meet you, you know, I and I've and I've103000:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.840



done that multiple times because again just and party. Part103100:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.960



of it's just me being me. But I don't get103200:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.360



starstruck very often. There's a couple I've met a couple103300:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.920



of people where I'm just like, holy shit, this is awesome.103400:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.920



You know. For the most part, I'm just like, dude,103500:52:26.320 --> 00:52:28.199



you you take a crap first thing in the morning,103600:52:28.320 --> 00:52:33.239



just like all of us. I'm exactly, everybody poops exactly,103700:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.760



so you know, I just hey, how you doing. And honestly,103800:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.599



I've probably gotten a lot better reaction out of most103900:52:40.599 --> 00:52:43.880



of the people I've interacted with that are celebrities because104000:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.079



I don't treat them like I don't. I'm not here104100:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.280



to kiss your ass. Hey, how you doing. You're You're104200:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.519



a human being, just like me. I'm not gonna I'm104300:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.079



gonna tell you you're special. I'm gonna treat you equivalent to104400:52:54.119 --> 00:52:55.239



how you treat me. I agree.104500:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.679



I found that when you just treat treat people equally104600:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.440



like people, they I think they appreciate that because it104700:53:01.519 --> 00:53:04.320



was on full disclosure. I had a I had a104800:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.239



sales rep company for many years now in the musical104900:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.719



instrument professional AV industry. So I was a rep. I105000:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.199



had a rep company, and for many years I had105100:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.199



to go to NAM. I haven't been there since two105200:53:16.199 --> 00:53:20.119



thousand and seven, thank god. But I was a Pevy rep.105300:53:20.159 --> 00:53:21.360



I was an Orange Jam rep.105400:53:21.440 --> 00:53:21.760



I was.105500:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.480



I mean, I had so many lines that we represented,105600:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.480



and I remember that I got to know some people,105700:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.559



got their cell phone numbers. We stayed connected and they105800:53:32.559 --> 00:53:36.320



were just down to earth man, really cool. But I105900:53:36.360 --> 00:53:37.840



got a funny story. The reason I asked you about106000:53:37.840 --> 00:53:41.800



the vendor thing is because I remember at NAM because106100:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.880



you're talking about you know, hey, at the last day106200:53:43.880 --> 00:53:45.559



of show, everybody just they don't want take their ship home, right,106300:53:45.599 --> 00:53:46.400



they don't want to pack it up.106400:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.559



Yeah, say for shipping. So I went.106500:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.000



To, uh this booth. I don't even if you're still106600:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.039



around their factory. Metals they made like these. They're kind106700:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.440



of like symbols, more like sound effect stuff made out106800:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.159



of metal that you would you would hit with your stick.106900:53:58.840 --> 00:54:00.719



And I was at the booth and the guy was107000:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.400



talking to me, and he was gonna give me a107100:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.119



couple of things for free, and I had to buy107200:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.599



a few things. We just hit it off, and then107300:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.880



all of a sudden, he says, great, I never forgot this.107400:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.840



Carmine Apiece or Carmen Apassy, however you say his name,107500:54:13.400 --> 00:54:15.039



do you know who he is? So he's uh, he107600:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.159



was a drummer for Blue Oyster Colt for a while.107700:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.599



He played with Ozzy Osbourne on that parkt Foon album107800:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.840



and all that. And his brother's Vini Appssi, who played107900:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.880



for Sabbath and Dio. And so Carmen Apiece comes over108000:54:26.960 --> 00:54:29.440



right next to me and I'm talking to the owner108100:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.480



of this company, and Carmine just stands there with his108200:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.280



aunt garage. He's like chewing his gum and he's looking108300:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.800



at these things, he's picking it up, and he's he's108400:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.840



pulling the whole I'm a rock star persona. And the108500:54:40.880 --> 00:54:42.920



owner keeps looking at him and and he looks at108600:54:42.920 --> 00:54:44.960



his staff behind him like, hey, go talk to him.108700:54:45.760 --> 00:54:47.360



And the whole time they're trying to talk to him108800:54:47.360 --> 00:54:48.960



and give him the pitch, he's just he's just like108900:54:49.320 --> 00:54:49.800



tapping it.109000:54:50.519 --> 00:54:55.360



He's all looking around. And then he started asking them like, well,109100:54:55.400 --> 00:54:57.599



you know what would uh so, how well, so what109200:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.559



would it take to for me to get a set109300:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.280



of these like whatever? And they start pitching price to him,109400:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.760



right and check this out. He looks at me, he109500:55:06.760 --> 00:55:07.199



looks at.109600:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.679



You on your turns yes, sunglass, He grabs the he109700:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.199



grabs his bridge of his glasses, pulls them down and109800:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.000



just looks down at the guy and just stands there.109900:55:15.039 --> 00:55:16.920



And the owner looks at me. He looks at a110000:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.039



carmine a piece and he just goes, just take what110100:55:21.079 --> 00:55:25.320



you want. I was like, what the fuck? He just110200:55:25.360 --> 00:55:27.159



pulled that on that move on of it. He's just110300:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.960



like the older caves, like what are here? Whatever we have,110400:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.400



just just go and take it, just take it. Yeah,110500:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.760



I've actually seen stuff kind of like that with maybe110600:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.880



some of the smaller companies at the restaurant shows. But110700:55:39.920 --> 00:55:41.519



the thing about the restaurant show is you gotta figure110800:55:41.599 --> 00:55:46.599



you're getting like these big national producers who also have110900:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.440



like industry lock you know. I mean, you're not going111000:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.679



to the McCain's food booth and impressing them into giving111100:55:54.679 --> 00:55:56.760



you some free shit just because because of your name.111200:55:56.840 --> 00:56:01.559



Because literally ninety percent of the like potato products in111300:56:01.559 --> 00:56:05.119



the country are coming from this factory. So it's yeah,111400:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.599



it looks a little harder to get those guys, you know,111500:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.480



because they already have contracts with their celebrity endorsements. They111600:56:10.519 --> 00:56:12.519



don't You're not just a company like, hey, look how111700:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.039



important I am give me free shits?111800:56:14.079 --> 00:56:15.360



Oh I saw it all the time at them. It111900:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.440



didn't even matter who you were. I mean, when you're112000:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.480



a rockstar, rock star, it was it was just it was.112100:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.119



That's also a little different.112200:56:21.119 --> 00:56:25.480



That's more practical because you know, no, no celebrity chef112300:56:25.559 --> 00:56:26.920



is coming in and walking out with like a two112400:56:26.920 --> 00:56:29.320



thousand pound mixer on a fricking dolly at the show.112500:56:29.760 --> 00:56:33.400



There's not a lot of stuff you can conveniently, you know,112600:56:33.400 --> 00:56:35.320



because that that's where the real money in that stuff112700:56:35.360 --> 00:56:40.320



is at those shows is equipment. It's absolutely it's not it.112800:56:40.480 --> 00:56:42.239



I mean all the other products and pitches and all112900:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.320



that other stuff, and you get little you know, like113000:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.360



there was you know, people that make you know, glow113100:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.039



in the dark, ice filled shotglasses, and you know, I113200:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.519



mean all all kinds of random crap. But you know,113300:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.719



at the end of the day, the ovens, the I mean, yes,113400:56:55.760 --> 00:56:59.880



the small wars are nice, but it's like, like I said,113500:56:59.880 --> 00:57:01.559



I got I got a thousand dollars set of knife113600:57:01.599 --> 00:57:05.679



for a couple hundred bucks and and it you know, yeah,113700:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.920



maybe they would have given him away to some celebrity113800:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.159



chef for free, but at the end of the day,113900:57:11.800 --> 00:57:13.880



that guy doesn't need it. He's got a knife contract114000:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.400



and he gets all the free shit he wants, all rights. Yeah, well,114100:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.679



it's it's just crazy, I mean it kind of.114200:57:19.760 --> 00:57:23.400



Also, it also hits on kind like I've heard you114300:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.840



talk about this on your show, how society values, like114400:57:26.920 --> 00:57:28.960



how they value certain individuals, you.114500:57:28.920 --> 00:57:33.800



Know, for just just for existence. Yeah, exactly, I'm not114600:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.159



a fan of that either. Isn't that crazy actually goes114700:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.800



to one of those negative influenced type situations. Where I114800:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.880



did run have a slight run in with a celebrity114900:57:42.960 --> 00:57:47.360



chef who, like I said, for for for for the115000:57:47.480 --> 00:57:51.519



sake of not naming names, because uh yeah, you don't115100:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.800



have to. Well no, I'm just like it's one of115200:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.840



those things. It's like it makes me sound like I'm115300:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.840



being kind of petty, because it's like, dude, who the115400:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.400



fuck are you to cop this attitude with this guy?115500:58:04.039 --> 00:58:08.320



But the thing is, I'm me and I would have115600:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.119



copped the same attitude for the circumstances at hand with115700:58:11.280 --> 00:58:14.079



any other person. And I'm not gonna I'm not this115800:58:14.079 --> 00:58:18.920



guy doesn't get a pass for being famous and and objectively,115900:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.639



I don't like to tell the story and say who116000:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.719



it was because he might have just been having a116100:58:22.719 --> 00:58:26.320



bad fucking day, you know, because it was It wasn't116200:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.840



like an arrogance, pompous like do you know who I am?116300:58:28.920 --> 00:58:31.880



Kind of situation. It was just kind of being a116400:58:31.920 --> 00:58:37.000



prick and under the circumstances it was, we were working116500:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.360



a a like it was a it was a concert116600:58:40.440 --> 00:58:46.840



slash cookout slash Guinness record attempt of breaking a world116700:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.559



record for the world's biggest barbecue. Right, wow, Yeah, it116800:58:50.599 --> 00:58:53.639



was at the Stadium where the Bears play in Chicago,116900:58:54.119 --> 00:58:56.440



and like the literally the entire infield was all these117000:58:56.480 --> 00:59:00.239



separate barbecue companies, all cooking at the same time, all117100:59:00.280 --> 00:59:03.559



making you know, different flavors of barbecue. And so there117200:59:03.639 --> 00:59:07.960



was literally hundreds of restaurants there with portable barbecue stations.117300:59:07.960 --> 00:59:09.679



And I was working at one of the barbecue stations117400:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.320



and a certain celebrity chef I was running to go117500:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.320



get some stuff from another Like the guy I was117600:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.719



coordinating with who owned the place ran out of like buns,117700:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.440



and he worked something out with another guy down like117800:59:25.679 --> 00:59:29.280



halfway down the fricking stadium, and he was like, you know,117900:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.880



I take him these four gallons of sauce and he118000:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.360



could bring back, you know, five flats of buns from him.118100:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.960



And so I'm running through the freaking stadium with you know,118200:59:38.400 --> 00:59:43.119



four gallons of fucking barbecue sauce, which is it's not light,118300:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.920



I mean like a where it was like a five118400:59:45.920 --> 00:59:49.199



gallon pail of barbecue sauce, which is like, I don't know,118500:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.800



fifty some pounds. So I'm running with this pail and118600:59:52.840 --> 00:59:56.119



I happened to run into this guy and I didn't118700:59:56.119 --> 00:59:57.800



even actually run into him. It was like one of118800:59:57.840 --> 01:00:01.679



those close calls. We're like, oh Jesus, and I'm watch118901:00:01.719 --> 01:00:06.039



where the fuck you're going? Man, I was like, excuse119001:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.920



the fuck out of me. I'm like, maybe if you119101:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.639



weren't walking backwards, you wouldn't have run. I wouldn't have119201:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.480



had to fucking veer to get away from you. Well, dude,119301:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.119



you should be watching where you're going. You shouldn't run119401:00:16.239 --> 01:00:17.960



through these people. That's a fucking crowd of people. And119501:00:18.000 --> 01:00:23.119



I'm like, like, look, I know who you are. That's119601:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.800



not gonna temper my opinion of this at all. Maybe119701:00:25.800 --> 01:00:30.079



you should watch where the fuck you're walking whatever, dude,119801:00:30.079 --> 01:00:31.559



I don't even need to hear this shit from some119901:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.039



punk kid. And I'm like, all right, you you take120001:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.039



that attitude and you run with it, and you know,120101:00:38.239 --> 01:00:40.079



I'm It's not like I'm gonna be like, dude, I120201:00:40.119 --> 01:00:44.519



don't watch your cooking show anyway, because you don't fucking care, right,120301:00:44.719 --> 01:00:46.440



You get the same check from the Food Channel whether120401:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.239



I tune in or not. So hmmm, I think I120501:00:49.280 --> 01:00:53.159



know who you're talking about. I got a good idea.120601:00:53.440 --> 01:00:56.679



But yeah, so And that was But on the other hand,120701:00:56.679 --> 01:00:58.840



like I said, I've met some I've met some chefs120801:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.480



that are really cool. Well, like I met some names120901:01:01.480 --> 01:01:05.280



like you know, like Paul Prudome was like, you know, big,121001:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.320



big time, well known chef, had one of the original121101:01:08.320 --> 01:01:12.840



cooking shows on TV. You know, just the nicest fricking121201:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.920



guy you'd ever want to meet, just really, I mean121301:01:16.079 --> 01:01:17.719



I met him a couple of years before he passed.121401:01:17.760 --> 01:01:21.519



Just down to earth. Fantastic guy. I and I met121501:01:21.599 --> 01:01:23.320



him at the Food Show and you know, he was121601:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.599



there and he was working a booth and signing, signing121701:01:25.639 --> 01:01:28.639



his cookbooks and stuff. And that's not where I met him.121801:01:28.639 --> 01:01:30.880



I met him like he was coming back from the bathroom,121901:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.559



going back to his booth, and I just ran into him.122001:01:33.800 --> 01:01:35.599



And he was in one of those little mobility scooters122101:01:35.639 --> 01:01:37.280



because he wasn't getting around real good at the end122201:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.159



of his life. And and I was just like, oh, hey, chef,122301:01:40.159 --> 01:01:41.199



I don't want to bother you, I don't want to122401:01:41.239 --> 01:01:42.639



keep you. I just want to say, you know, I've122501:01:42.639 --> 01:01:45.519



got all your cookbooks. Love. I watched your soul growing122601:01:45.559 --> 01:01:48.159



up when I was a kid. I you know you're fantastic.122701:01:48.159 --> 01:01:50.119



Thank you. I love I love what you do. And122801:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.320



I wound up talking to this guy for like forty122901:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.400



minutes before he went back to his booth, and I123001:01:55.440 --> 01:01:59.559



was just like, what a nice guy, very cool. But123101:01:59.880 --> 01:02:01.880



I mean, the funny thing is most of my actual123201:02:01.920 --> 01:02:05.440



real horror stories are interactions with like celebrities from like123301:02:06.079 --> 01:02:10.679



not in the industry, you know, for every because meeting123401:02:10.719 --> 01:02:13.119



guys that are in my industry. But we all kind of,123501:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.360



with a few exceptions, we're all cut from the same123601:02:16.400 --> 01:02:19.039



cloth in a lot of ways. You know, we've all123701:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.000



got a certain degree of respect for anybody that's been123801:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.719



in the trenches. You know. Who My my worst interactions123901:02:24.719 --> 01:02:28.599



were with was not necessarily celebrities, because with a certain124001:02:28.639 --> 01:02:31.960



celebrity you kind of expect, you know, that kind of treatment.124101:02:32.559 --> 01:02:36.480



So I've learned to like whatever. The worst ones for me.124201:02:37.119 --> 01:02:41.400



Were the the CEOs of the large corporations because you know,124301:02:41.400 --> 01:02:44.239



when we do the events, yeah, and they think they're124401:02:44.280 --> 01:02:47.360



just like the ungodly do whatever the fuck I want124501:02:47.440 --> 01:02:51.400



rock stars, And it's just like, Okay, when I'm getting yeah,124601:02:51.519 --> 01:02:55.199



why do I say this? This isn't who the company is,124701:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.440



but let's just I'm just gonna say, let's just say124801:02:58.480 --> 01:03:01.480



Samsung for example, just because it's big name people know,124901:03:01.559 --> 01:03:03.800



not saying this was what actually happened, by the way,125001:03:03.960 --> 01:03:07.159



but let's just say, like CEO for Samsung, like, who125101:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.079



the fuck is this this guy? Shit, he'll trying to125201:03:09.079 --> 01:03:10.559



put a mic on me, this fucking guy, he's a125301:03:10.559 --> 01:03:12.480



piece of ship, Like I didn't you talk to you?125401:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.320



Like waves you away and then calls their assistant and125501:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.400



I'm not it wasn't Samson whether I'm just using that name.125601:03:17.639 --> 01:03:20.280



So so just to give people an idea of like, Okay,125701:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.679



you're dealing with these large corporations. The CEOs think that125801:03:22.719 --> 01:03:25.880



they're you know, they're gods because everybody bows down before125901:03:25.920 --> 01:03:27.840



them at the company. But it's like, bro, outside of that,126001:03:28.039 --> 01:03:30.679



you're nothing. I hate to tell you that, but like126101:03:30.880 --> 01:03:32.639



you're not exactly.126201:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.239



I mean, you're you're not a world builder, You're not126301:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.559



you're yeah, you're not a rock star, you're you're a126401:03:38.599 --> 01:03:39.239



suit But.126501:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.519



Yeah, that's been my my my more negative interactions has126601:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.559



been from those types of people than you know, actual126701:03:45.679 --> 01:03:47.280



musicians or worked.126801:03:48.199 --> 01:03:51.000



I worked in downtown Chicago as at a private club126901:03:51.079 --> 01:03:54.880



for several years and it was it was it was127001:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.280



two sets of people. It was old money and and127101:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.559



like you know, like the Dailies had memberships there. You know,127201:04:01.599 --> 01:04:03.920



I mean everybody knows Richard Daly and Mayor Daily, and127301:04:04.440 --> 01:04:07.000



I mean that's even people know that are not from127401:04:07.039 --> 01:04:10.320



the Midwest, I find are familiar with that particular name127501:04:10.360 --> 01:04:15.400



because the but I digress. But then we had there127601:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.079



was so there were the old money guys, and then127701:04:17.119 --> 01:04:19.400



there were like day traders because we were right in127801:04:19.400 --> 01:04:22.000



the heart of the financial district and a lot of127901:04:22.039 --> 01:04:24.320



our a lot of our members were stock market guys.128001:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.880



And and we had two degrees of stock market guys.128101:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.679



He had the guys that had like literal fuck you money,128201:04:31.400 --> 01:04:33.079



and then we had the guys that were like coked128301:04:33.079 --> 01:04:35.159



out and scraping to get by and wanted to feel128401:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.000



more important than they were because they were paying, you know,128501:04:37.039 --> 01:04:40.679



twelve hundred dollars a month to belong to this club. Yeah. Yeah,128601:04:40.719 --> 01:04:43.519



those guys like they and none of them were bossed here.128701:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.119



None of them were you know, oh, I run the128801:04:46.119 --> 01:04:48.320



trading house. I own the trading house. No, they were128901:04:48.360 --> 01:04:52.440



just floor guys. Some of the most arrogant pricks I129001:04:52.440 --> 01:04:55.639



ever had to deal with. I had one guy literally129101:04:55.639 --> 01:04:57.280



the only time he ever came into the dining room129201:04:57.320 --> 01:05:00.360



at the club was on days where there were member129301:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.440



events and everything was free, so I was and he129401:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.039



would come in and then he would talk shit about129501:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.280



the food. He would make three or four trips through129601:05:07.360 --> 01:05:09.440



the through the buffet line or whatever the case was,129701:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.159



or order you know, four or five plates of whatever129801:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.679



was on special that day that was the free member item,129901:05:15.199 --> 01:05:17.159



and then talk shit the entire time. He was stuff130001:05:17.159 --> 01:05:19.039



in his face. Oh the chef, here's a piece of shit.130101:05:19.119 --> 01:05:20.920



The food, here's crap. I'm like, well, you don't have130201:05:20.960 --> 01:05:23.800



a problem shoveling down your gullet all fucking day. Yeah, right.130301:05:24.800 --> 01:05:27.679



And at one point he got he because he was130401:05:28.039 --> 01:05:32.000



extremely fucking drunk, and one of the other members was130501:05:32.039 --> 01:05:33.840



also very drunk, and the other member kept saying, I130601:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.239



don't want a drink anymore, and he kept trying to130701:05:35.280 --> 01:05:38.920



four drinks on the guy, and the bartender was kind130801:05:38.920 --> 01:05:40.199



of like, I don't know what to do. I don't130901:05:40.239 --> 01:05:41.719



know what to do. What do I do about this guy?131001:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.079



And I said, you know what, I'm the manager on131101:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.360



duty right now. He's fucking cut off, he's done. Don't131201:05:46.400 --> 01:05:48.960



serve him anymore. And he's like, who do you think131301:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.000



you are? Said, I think I'm the manager on duty.131401:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.440



I think, if you really have a problem with it,131501:05:53.480 --> 01:05:55.760



look up what they call dramshop laws and understand that131601:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.559



I am doing my legal duty by refusing you any131701:05:58.559 --> 01:06:03.440



further service abriated beyond the point of being reasonably accountable131801:06:03.440 --> 01:06:07.480



for your actions. And subsequently, if you had any problems131901:06:07.480 --> 01:06:09.679



from this, I could find myself liable if we continue132001:06:09.719 --> 01:06:12.400



to serve you. And we're not going to. He was like,132101:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.079



fuck you, you fucking prick. I don't know who you think132201:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.320



you are, but you're fucking done. You are so done.132301:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.760



I'm gonna be I'm gonna have your fucking job. And132401:06:20.760 --> 01:06:26.639



and I sat there, Okay, get it all out. Yeah,132501:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.320



come on, tell me, tell me I'm a worthless piece132601:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.039



of shit, tell me, tell me how much I suck that.132701:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.039



Tell me tell everybody what a shitty chef I am,132801:06:34.119 --> 01:06:36.639



And how how far things have gone downhill since I132901:06:36.679 --> 01:06:40.840



took over this place. Go on, come on. And and133001:06:40.880 --> 01:06:43.239



I mean the guy hated me to begin with, uh133101:06:43.400 --> 01:06:46.079



for other reasons because when he tried acting like he133201:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.760



had clout, I just you weren't feeding the fire. Just no,133301:06:50.960 --> 01:06:53.440



not at all. Like he would do things like occasionally133401:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.440



he would wind up on TV because he would try133501:06:56.440 --> 01:06:59.039



to get interviews like, oh, no, I know financial stuff.133601:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.400



I'm important. And this is when a lot of stuff133701:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.599



was going on where like trading houses were getting shut133801:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.320



down and people were losing their jobs and there were133901:07:08.360 --> 01:07:10.679



massive layoffs and several of these trading houses because there134001:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.920



was a big scandal going on and he wasn't one134101:07:13.920 --> 01:07:15.159



of the people that was affected by it, but he134201:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.760



was still trying to Like he got the local news134301:07:17.800 --> 01:07:19.679



to come in and he shows up with like a134401:07:19.719 --> 01:07:21.400



camera crew and he's like, I need to set up134501:07:21.400 --> 01:07:23.559



in the dining room. And I said, did you clear134601:07:23.599 --> 01:07:28.480



this with anybody? And well no, But I told them134701:07:28.480 --> 01:07:30.280



we're gonna set up here because that's the best background.134801:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.960



I said. We opened for lunch in twenty five minutes.134901:07:34.039 --> 01:07:36.880



The staff is resetting the room right now. You didn't135001:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.119



arrange this, you didn't talk to anybody about it, and135101:07:39.159 --> 01:07:41.119



you don't have authorization to do it. So you're gonna135201:07:41.119 --> 01:07:42.800



take that camera crew and I'll put you in one135301:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.599



of the small conference rooms. You're not setting up in135401:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.639



the dining room. Well, I told them this is where135501:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.760



I said, I don't fucking care. Yeah, he can't interrupt135601:07:51.760 --> 01:07:55.280



your business. Like that, that's stupid inconvenience to other members.135701:07:56.360 --> 01:08:01.280



Let's well, look, let's circle back a little bit. Let's135801:08:01.280 --> 01:08:04.280



get back into what your show does here. Okay, and135901:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.800



the Rent and the Raven and I like it. It's great. Well,136001:08:06.920 --> 01:08:08.880



as you can see, it's it's just kind of natural136101:08:08.920 --> 01:08:10.920



for me. It's it's okay.136201:08:11.440 --> 01:08:15.599



So I heard one of your more recent shows you136301:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.199



talked about how your Democrat and now you let you136401:08:18.279 --> 01:08:19.960



lean a little more, right, even though you and I136501:08:20.000 --> 01:08:23.279



already established we're not really we're just this is just136601:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.560



gen X. It's just who we are, like who we are, Yeah, exactly.136701:08:26.880 --> 01:08:32.479



So that being said, how do you feel about the136801:08:32.520 --> 01:08:33.640



administration now?136901:08:33.920 --> 01:08:34.199



Trump?137001:08:34.319 --> 01:08:37.239



I mean, I know I voted for him. Did you137101:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.439



I think you did? Which I did vote for him?137201:08:39.439 --> 01:08:42.039



I actually are you getting what you what you thought137301:08:42.119 --> 01:08:43.039



he would he would do?137401:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.279



Like? Is he coming through in his promises? You think?137501:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.239



I think he's delivering a lot more than than, uh137601:08:48.640 --> 01:08:53.199



than I expected. He's definitely trying to stick to what137701:08:53.239 --> 01:08:54.520



he said he was going to do. I mean, he's137801:08:54.560 --> 01:08:55.720



getting fought tooth and nail.137901:08:56.000 --> 01:08:59.199



Big contrast from like twenty sixteen, right from his first138001:08:59.239 --> 01:09:01.600



term hunt it was like he was trying to figure138101:09:01.640 --> 01:09:04.000



it out and then he was just led the wrong.138201:09:03.880 --> 01:09:07.399



Qua He's he he didn't get where he is in138301:09:07.439 --> 01:09:11.720



the world by not learning, and he made a lot138401:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.359



of mistakes on that first run through. And I'm not138501:09:14.399 --> 01:09:18.319



gonna lie. I talked shit pretty much consistently from twenty sixteen,138601:09:18.399 --> 01:09:22.000



well actually from twenty fifteen before the election was over,138701:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.600



like from the announcement of like, these are the candidates138801:09:26.039 --> 01:09:31.560



and I and I've never ever, for a single second138901:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.720



been a fan of Hillary Clinton. Nope, not at all.139001:09:36.039 --> 01:09:39.199



And you know, so there was like literally no way139101:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.039



and fuck I was going to be voting for her.139201:09:42.000 --> 01:09:43.680



But at the same time I was looking at Donald139301:09:43.680 --> 01:09:47.760



Trump as the guy from The Apprentice. I think everybody139401:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.760



was back here, yeah, I like. And when the election139501:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.319



was called and they declared him the winner, I put139601:09:53.359 --> 01:09:55.880



a post on Facebook that said, I have a lot139701:09:55.880 --> 01:09:57.680



of thoughts and feelings on the matter. I'm not going139801:09:57.760 --> 01:09:59.600



to get too deeply into it. But we ran an139901:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.840



unlike likable, unelectable candidate, and we ran a guy from140001:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.119



reality TV, and frankly, this country got what it deserved140101:10:06.119 --> 01:10:08.079



for because neither one of them was the right pick.140201:10:08.840 --> 01:10:12.199



And I actually I still stand by what I said140301:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.039



at the time. Now to give the man his credit,140401:10:15.199 --> 01:10:17.319



Like I said, I think, and I've been watching him140501:10:17.319 --> 01:10:20.439



in the intervening time since his presidency. He did a140601:10:20.479 --> 01:10:22.000



lot of things I didn't agree with. He did some140701:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.039



things I did. I didn't agree with a lot of140801:10:25.039 --> 01:10:26.720



his cabinet picks. I didn't agree with a lot of140901:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.640



the way he handled things. I think. I thought he141001:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.000



surrounded himself with people that were not going to help141101:10:31.319 --> 01:10:36.159



forward the agenda he ran on and and it is141201:10:36.199 --> 01:10:39.680



what is. But he learned from his mistakes and he's141301:10:39.800 --> 01:10:42.199



been good for that. People want to talk shit like, oh, well,141401:10:42.239 --> 01:10:45.039



he's filed bankruptcy this many times, and he said in141501:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.239



an interview, he says, that makes me smart. I'm using141601:10:47.279 --> 01:10:50.119



the laws that are on the books to my benefit.141701:10:50.159 --> 01:10:53.840



If you don't do that, you're an idiot. And and141801:10:54.279 --> 01:10:57.119



that's kind of I feel like how he's the second141901:10:57.199 --> 01:11:00.199



term is going to go. It's I think it's in142001:11:00.239 --> 01:11:01.840



the game to make any calls about it. He's only142101:11:01.840 --> 01:11:05.399



been in office for three weeks exactly. Yeah, you know,142201:11:05.439 --> 01:11:08.560



it's too early to say, but I like the indicators.142301:11:08.600 --> 01:11:12.239



I voted for him, not because of him I mean,142401:11:12.319 --> 01:11:16.479



I'm but more because of the people he brought to him.142501:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.119



The people he was bringing to the table appealed to142601:11:20.159 --> 01:11:24.119



me a lot more than than just him by himself.142701:11:24.680 --> 01:11:28.279



And I do believe in like an America first stance.142801:11:28.399 --> 01:11:31.439



We can't take I've said a million times. I think142901:11:31.479 --> 01:11:33.880



at this point we can't take care of the rest143001:11:33.880 --> 01:11:36.119



of the world when we don't handle our own shit first.143101:11:36.159 --> 01:11:39.159



And that's that's from a national standpoint, all the way143201:11:39.199 --> 01:11:42.960



down to individuals. You can't help someone else if you're143301:11:43.000 --> 01:11:45.800



busy falling on your own fucking face. If you don't143401:11:45.800 --> 01:11:47.680



take care of get in your own house in order first,143501:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.000



you can't help anybody else. I can't.143601:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.720



I can't understand why people are offended by the sentiment143701:11:53.800 --> 01:11:57.600



of America first, or how MAGA became like just what143801:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.000



MAGA stands were like make America greatigan, how that became143901:12:00.319 --> 01:12:01.520



something negative?144001:12:03.079 --> 01:12:05.439



I don't get it either. It's like, why why is144101:12:05.439 --> 01:12:09.039



it a bad thing to want to see the country144201:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.279



you live in, the country that who's well being is144301:12:12.319 --> 01:12:16.479



directly impacting your life be successful? Well? I think why144401:12:16.560 --> 01:12:19.159



is it bad to prioritize us?144501:12:19.279 --> 01:12:22.560



I think as far as politicians go, I mean, just144601:12:22.560 --> 01:12:26.039



just the takedown of what's going on with USAID you144701:12:26.079 --> 01:12:28.479



know itself probably speaks volumes as to why people are144801:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.560



not liking it. The American first sentiment is really about144901:12:31.600 --> 01:12:35.439



them first, right, Yeah, I mean, what do you think145001:12:35.439 --> 01:12:35.720



of that?145101:12:35.760 --> 01:12:38.479



What do you think of that? Like the I think145201:12:38.520 --> 01:12:41.199



it well that they shut down USA? Now, how are145301:12:41.239 --> 01:12:44.039



they going to teach Palestinian goat farmers to use the145401:12:44.119 --> 01:12:47.680



right pronouns when they're throwing people off of roofs? Right?145501:12:51.079 --> 01:12:55.479



They're spending literally millions and millions of dollars on programs145601:12:55.479 --> 01:12:58.520



for people who don't want them, to teach them things145701:12:58.560 --> 01:13:02.439



they don't give a shit about out or to enforce145801:13:02.600 --> 01:13:06.800



values that they don't align with. So we need this145901:13:06.880 --> 01:13:10.359



to spread the lgbt q I a message in Tanzania.146001:13:10.920 --> 01:13:13.640



So we need to put together a musical with a146101:13:13.680 --> 01:13:18.439



puppet with AIDS. I mean, I mean, and if you146201:13:18.479 --> 01:13:20.840



look at that, if you if you're not realizing that146301:13:20.840 --> 01:13:24.000



that is all just literally just money laundering. Oh yeah, no,146401:13:24.079 --> 01:13:26.760



it's it's none of none of it's you know, above board.146501:13:27.319 --> 01:13:30.800



We'll know, he'll know. It's it's crazy that you know,146601:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.560



it's well and the thing that kills me is it's like,146701:13:33.760 --> 01:13:39.159



this is what they chose to launder it as I mean,146801:13:39.960 --> 01:13:42.920



color me crazy, but if I'm going to be laundering146901:13:43.039 --> 01:13:47.199



money in the tens of millions of dollars, I'm going147001:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.039



to at least try and make it sound believable. This147101:13:50.079 --> 01:13:54.479



is for tech innovation research on a new form of battery,147201:13:54.560 --> 01:13:57.880



and we need to explore new mineral rights. That sounds147301:13:57.960 --> 01:14:01.199



like something that might cost ten million dollars, well, ten147401:14:01.239 --> 01:14:05.319



billion dollars to teach pronouns to people who have a147501:14:05.439 --> 01:14:09.000



gender oriented language. Doesn't make sense.147601:14:09.279 --> 01:14:12.760



And before and before this whole doze report, I remember147701:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.880



a couple of years ago I brought this. I'm I'm147801:14:16.920 --> 01:14:18.479



gonna be off with the number, but I believe it147901:14:18.520 --> 01:14:23.399



was the administration. Back then, I was doing some digging148001:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.199



way before where we are now, that that the government148101:14:26.279 --> 01:14:30.439



was going to allot like seven million to Pakistan for148201:14:30.560 --> 01:14:31.399



gender studies.148301:14:33.239 --> 01:14:37.720



Yes, stuff like that is like wow, it makes no148401:14:37.880 --> 01:14:40.800



sense things like that would come up in the well.148501:14:40.880 --> 01:14:44.680



I I actually I stopped digging several years ago because148601:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.880



I was infuriating myself to like the point where my148701:14:47.880 --> 01:14:51.119



blood pressure was getting messed up. Well, our tax dollars148801:14:51.159 --> 01:14:53.600



man I'm looking at our tax dollars. And more importantly,148901:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.800



I'm some schmuck from Illinois. Well, I mean, I'm technicoly149001:14:56.840 --> 01:15:00.159



from Wisconsin. But that's that's a whole other conversation. I149101:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.119



I've lived here for twenty years. I still don't claim149201:15:02.159 --> 01:15:07.119



this fucking state. But ultimately, you know, I'm some schmuck149301:15:07.159 --> 01:15:09.520



from the Midwest that has a show with tens of listeners,149401:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.640



and and and a bad attitude. Why am I looking149501:15:12.720 --> 01:15:14.680



into these things I can't do anything about I don't149601:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.079



have the And again, this may be a defeatist attitude.149701:15:17.079 --> 01:15:18.439



This might be part of the problem is that I149801:15:18.439 --> 01:15:21.279



think about things this way, where it's like and I149901:15:21.319 --> 01:15:23.600



was looking and I'm like, why are we studying the150001:15:23.640 --> 01:15:30.279



effect of cocaine on dolphins? Right? For starter, they probably150101:15:30.319 --> 01:15:38.680



appreciate it. And second off, oh no, no, it's mean150201:15:38.760 --> 01:15:41.680



we're giving dolphins blow. They're already probably smarter than us,150301:15:41.680 --> 01:15:44.119



because when's the last time you saw a dolphin with150401:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.640



a checkbook. I mean, they're intelligent creatures and they don't150501:15:47.680 --> 01:15:48.319



have bills.150601:15:48.479 --> 01:15:52.319



Yeah, I mean, but my wife tells me the same stuff.150701:15:52.479 --> 01:15:56.640



Sometimes she goes, well, what's the point of everything you do?150801:15:57.239 --> 01:15:59.279



I mean, what do you Sometimes she'll say, what are150901:15:59.319 --> 01:16:03.359



you doing about it? I'm like, point take, and I151001:16:03.399 --> 01:16:05.359



get it. Like what am I individually doing about it?151101:16:05.359 --> 01:16:06.880



There's only so much I could do as an individual.151201:16:07.119 --> 01:16:09.000



I think the reason I do this, and the reason151301:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.439



is important, Like people like you do this because you151401:16:11.520 --> 01:16:13.800



never know who is going to receive the message.151501:16:14.079 --> 01:16:17.000



You know. That's kind of what I tell myself is151601:16:17.680 --> 01:16:18.600



somebody might.151701:16:18.520 --> 01:16:20.960



Hear this, and there's and if enough of us are151801:16:21.039 --> 01:16:26.439



hearing this, this message and and I think at some point, look,151901:16:26.479 --> 01:16:29.039



we've already seen it. With the elections, It's obvious people152001:16:29.079 --> 01:16:31.680



were fed up. They knew that everything that was going152101:16:31.720 --> 01:16:35.680



on was bullshit. And Trump got the vote. And it wasn't.152201:16:36.039 --> 01:16:37.920



It wasn't it wasn't my small marchin by the way152301:16:37.960 --> 01:16:38.319



it was, it was.152401:16:38.359 --> 01:16:38.920



It was huge.152501:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.920



The country wanted a shift and they wanted a change,152601:16:42.920 --> 01:16:47.319



and a lot of that came from not legacy media,152701:16:47.359 --> 01:16:50.039



but independent media, right like podcasting all of a sudden152801:16:50.039 --> 01:16:53.239



became even bigger and influencing what was going on with152901:16:53.279 --> 01:16:57.199



the election, you know, just because podcasters in general aren't153001:16:57.239 --> 01:16:59.079



afraid to call it how it is, like they just153101:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.079



they're just gonna say whatever's on my mind.153201:17:01.079 --> 01:17:01.640



Most of them.153301:17:01.840 --> 01:17:05.199



I mean, we do have some corporately controlled podcasts out there,153401:17:05.199 --> 01:17:06.960



but for the most part, it's still kind of the153501:17:06.960 --> 01:17:07.960



wild West.153601:17:07.920 --> 01:17:11.239



And a lot of ways that's very true. Plus occasionally153701:17:11.279 --> 01:17:14.359



get people like, you know, like me, I'm not monetized.153801:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.560



I mean in some of the it's kind of funny.153901:17:17.560 --> 01:17:19.479



I still every once in a while get like a154001:17:19.520 --> 01:17:23.800



little little notice from Spotify, like you have eleven dollars thanks,154101:17:24.079 --> 01:17:26.680



because for a while I was running out and I154201:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.359



was like, okay, you know, but at the same time,154301:17:29.399 --> 01:17:32.560



I was like, this isn't worth it, and it because154401:17:32.560 --> 01:17:34.840



I would like listen to my own episodes just to154501:17:35.720 --> 01:17:39.000



which is ironic because I hate doing it. I hate154601:17:39.039 --> 01:17:42.000



listening to my own episodes, but I wanted to make154701:17:42.039 --> 01:17:44.840



sure they were like uploading right and you know, yeah,154801:17:45.399 --> 01:17:47.760



and posting properly. Because there were a few episodes I154901:17:47.800 --> 01:17:51.920



had where it was like, yeah, somebody would DM me155001:17:52.079 --> 01:17:55.800



at like because I set them up to new episodes155101:17:55.840 --> 01:17:59.560



post at seven am Central time, so I would be155201:17:59.600 --> 01:18:03.079



like the gym getting like before I went to work,155301:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.079



and I'd get a DM from somebody like bro the155401:18:06.199 --> 01:18:12.600



entire episode static, oh fuck, or you know, the sound155501:18:12.640 --> 01:18:13.560



file got corrupted.155601:18:13.680 --> 01:18:17.079



Yeah, I've had that happen on Spotify before, and I'd155701:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.000



just feel like, oh shit, well I can't fix it155801:18:20.079 --> 01:18:21.600



until I get home from work tonight.155901:18:21.760 --> 01:18:25.520



So sorry. Yeah. So I was like, but so I156001:18:25.600 --> 01:18:28.560



was listening to my own episodes. You know, I just156101:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.439



actually started posting them a little earlier so I could156201:18:30.439 --> 01:18:32.880



listen to them before I left for the gym. And156301:18:32.920 --> 01:18:36.680



I'm like, and I started realizing, like, these random ads156401:18:36.720 --> 01:18:40.119



are just breaking up the flow. It bothers me, and156501:18:40.199 --> 01:18:42.359



it's I'm at the payout's not worth it to me.156601:18:42.439 --> 01:18:45.039



So I'm like, eh, so I just I just stopped156701:18:45.079 --> 01:18:48.119



running them. But I did run them for like six156801:18:48.159 --> 01:18:51.239



months or whatever, and some for for whatever reason, the156901:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.760



old episode still get plays. So I mean, I don't157001:18:54.760 --> 01:18:56.359



know if it's like new people finding me and going157101:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.319



through the back catalog or just randomly somebody's randomly picking157201:18:59.399 --> 01:19:01.399



up episodes. But so every once in a while, I157301:19:01.439 --> 01:19:06.840



get that, like, your Spotify balance is eight dollars, You're157401:19:06.880 --> 01:19:09.720



all thanks, thanks a bunch. Well that's the thing is,157501:19:09.760 --> 01:19:11.600



like I cashed it out the last time. It got157601:19:11.640 --> 01:19:13.720



to be like forty five bucks or something, and I157701:19:13.720 --> 01:19:15.800



was like, Okay, cash that out, I'm done running ads157801:19:15.800 --> 01:19:18.359



at and then, like I said, every now and then,157901:19:18.479 --> 01:19:20.800



like oh hey, guess what, you're back up to seven dollars.158001:19:21.079 --> 01:19:23.319



Well, I think it's important you bring this up because158101:19:24.039 --> 01:19:28.640



there's been a shift, like people are trusting independent media158201:19:28.720 --> 01:19:32.800



personalities more more and more, whether it's guys like you158301:19:32.880 --> 01:19:35.520



and me or you know, people were more established in158401:19:35.600 --> 01:19:41.479



terms of their popularity. Regardless, I always try to support158501:19:41.520 --> 01:19:44.960



the independent community, especially in podcasts, because we're the people158601:19:45.000 --> 01:19:48.520



who give a shit enough to dive a little deeper158701:19:48.680 --> 01:19:51.760



and dig up the shit that most people don't because158801:19:51.760 --> 01:19:53.640



they don't want to kick the hornes's nets. We're just like,158901:19:53.880 --> 01:19:55.920



we got nothing to lose. We're not beholden to anybody.159001:19:55.920 --> 01:19:57.279



We're just gonna come out and say it and present159101:19:57.319 --> 01:20:02.520



the information. And and mainstream media can't understand why they're159201:20:02.560 --> 01:20:04.720



they're losing the trust of the public. It's because they're159301:20:04.720 --> 01:20:07.720



not doing what we're doing. They're not being actual journalists.159401:20:07.760 --> 01:20:09.039



Not that I'm claiming to be one, by the way,159501:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.399



it's just we're not. We're not We're not afraid to159601:20:11.520 --> 01:20:14.600



like say, look what I found. And regardless of what159701:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.279



you say here's here's the data to back it up.159801:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.720



And here's here's the here's the web links, and here's159901:20:20.760 --> 01:20:23.239



the books. And if you don't believe me, go ahead160001:20:23.239 --> 01:20:26.760



and prove me wrong. Here's here's my sources. Find something better,160101:20:26.800 --> 01:20:31.359



find something more absolute. Yeah, and that's one of those160201:20:31.399 --> 01:20:35.319



things too. And again you mentioned earlier, whiskey Hell, those160301:20:35.359 --> 01:20:38.680



guys are phenomenal when it comes to, you know, running160401:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.560



down things, getting their information, getting their facts together. Fits160501:20:41.560 --> 01:20:44.199



and McShane are they like I said, they're got, They're160601:20:44.199 --> 01:20:48.479



good dudes, and they're they they're on their due diligence.160701:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.439



They and if they're if they're wrong about something, they160801:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.319



will retract it. They will admit they were wrong, which160901:20:54.399 --> 01:20:58.039



is another thing that like legacy media doesn't do true.161001:20:58.199 --> 01:21:01.920



They doubled. And like there's a gal I went to161101:21:01.960 --> 01:21:05.159



high school with and I'm not sure if she's still there,161201:21:05.199 --> 01:21:06.800



but for a while she was an editor at the161301:21:06.800 --> 01:21:14.319



New York Times. Doesn't speak to me for multiple reasons.161401:21:15.079 --> 01:21:17.880



But when I found out what she was doing for161501:21:17.920 --> 01:21:21.680



a living through a like just a Facebook group that161601:21:21.800 --> 01:21:23.000



was like a bunch of us that went to high161701:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.720



school together, and she made some comments in there and161801:21:25.720 --> 01:21:30.560



I was just like, you know what, No, I can't,161901:21:30.640 --> 01:21:32.680



I can't let this slide, and da da da. So162001:21:33.079 --> 01:21:37.199



I just you know, I gave her both barrels and162101:21:37.800 --> 01:21:40.399



basically called her out and said pretty much exactly what162201:21:40.399 --> 01:21:42.680



we're saying around now. There's a reason nobody trusts you162301:21:42.720 --> 01:21:45.760



people anymore. I'm sorry you wasted your career and your162401:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.479



life by going into a dying media because but I162501:21:49.520 --> 01:21:51.560



have no sympathy for you, because you people are the162601:21:51.600 --> 01:21:55.159



reason that it's dying. We stop being journalists, she started162701:21:55.159 --> 01:21:59.000



being shills, and that's what you got coming. Well, absolutely, yeah,162801:21:59.199 --> 01:22:01.199



what the funny thing was, She goes, so you're still162901:22:01.239 --> 01:22:07.199



an asshole? Then I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah,163001:22:07.239 --> 01:22:09.960



yes I am. I'm sorry. Well no i'm not, but163101:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.880



I mean, yeah, no, I'm I'm the exact same prick163201:22:13.920 --> 01:22:15.560



I was back in the nineties.163301:22:15.640 --> 01:22:18.640



Well, and the in the point you're making earlier about163401:22:18.920 --> 01:22:20.680



you know, you took the ads out of your out163501:22:20.720 --> 01:22:22.680



of your your show because you're like, I don't want163601:22:22.680 --> 01:22:26.399



to interrupt the flow of my conversation information and and163701:22:26.399 --> 01:22:28.560



and when you're talking about, hey, I'm doing all of163801:22:28.560 --> 01:22:31.399



this work and guess what I got eight dollars for163901:22:31.520 --> 01:22:34.680



my efforts. I don't think people realize that guys like us,164001:22:34.680 --> 01:22:38.279



like like the Independence, we're not making a living off164101:22:38.319 --> 01:22:39.800



of this. We're doing this because we want to do it,164201:22:39.840 --> 01:22:41.119



and we're trying to trying to.164301:22:41.079 --> 01:22:42.680



Present on this every month.164401:22:42.800 --> 01:22:47.760



Yeah, we're trying to present the present the case of no, no,164501:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.000



this isn't right. This, this is why it's not right.164601:22:51.119 --> 01:22:53.439



Like we're not just saying this is bullshit and walking away.164701:22:53.439 --> 01:22:56.399



We're saying this is bullshit because and this is how164801:22:56.399 --> 01:23:01.239



I came to this conclusion. So I I totally believe164901:23:01.319 --> 01:23:04.600



that what you're doing, you know, like we'll bring up whiskey. Hell,165001:23:04.680 --> 01:23:08.359



guys like them, even even my friend Kurvin, who has165101:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.640



this week explained, we're we're kind of just doing the165201:23:11.680 --> 01:23:14.479



deep dive stuff or or at least not accepting what's165301:23:14.560 --> 01:23:17.039



on the surface and just presenting it. And I think165401:23:17.079 --> 01:23:20.399



that's why people are trusting independence like us more, and165501:23:20.439 --> 01:23:22.720



even those aren't independent, like even Joe Rogan got very165601:23:22.760 --> 01:23:25.560



popular because he wasn't afraid to talk. I think what165701:23:25.600 --> 01:23:29.640



his strength was wasn't necessarily his stance on things as a person.165801:23:29.680 --> 01:23:31.720



It was I think his strength was I'll talk to165901:23:31.840 --> 01:23:36.039



anyone and just have the conversation and see where this goes.166001:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.720



He actually has conversations with people, and he will he will,166101:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.359



he will, he will learn and change.166201:23:43.800 --> 01:23:46.119



Yeah, and I've learned a lot by doing this. I166301:23:46.119 --> 01:23:48.479



don't know if you feel that way, but you know,166401:23:48.600 --> 01:23:53.479



being forced to to first off, come into this with166501:23:53.560 --> 01:23:56.319



opinion and being forced to correct that after you've done166601:23:56.359 --> 01:23:58.600



your research. And then while you're doing it, I get166701:23:58.640 --> 01:24:01.359



to talk to many people, you know, like you and166801:24:01.880 --> 01:24:04.920



other experts, and it's like, oh, I'm smarter for it.166901:24:04.920 --> 01:24:05.960



It's forcing me to learn.167001:24:06.039 --> 01:24:08.319



It's forcing me to become a better person in terms167101:24:08.359 --> 01:24:10.800



of how I take an information and view things.167201:24:11.079 --> 01:24:11.399



And so.167301:24:12.840 --> 01:24:15.399



I think it's really really important that you keep doing167401:24:15.399 --> 01:24:17.640



what you're doing because you know, while people just might167501:24:17.640 --> 01:24:19.600



hear it as a rant, you're also presenting a lot167601:24:19.640 --> 01:24:23.640



of really important opinions and facts, and it's it's kind167701:24:23.640 --> 01:24:26.720



of like a rapid fire, like Okay, here's the fire hose.167801:24:26.800 --> 01:24:28.840



Open your freaking ears, and I'm going to just open167901:24:28.880 --> 01:24:29.399



this pigot.168001:24:29.479 --> 01:24:33.680



There you go. And yeah, but that's not a bad thing,168101:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.039



you know, and I like it, and I think a168201:24:36.039 --> 01:24:39.960



lot of people need to come around to just accepting168301:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.000



that look your way of life and high look at168401:24:42.039 --> 01:24:44.439



things isn't the only way to do it, and you168501:24:44.520 --> 01:24:47.600



need to broaden your horizons and take in other viewpoints, opinions,168601:24:47.600 --> 01:24:50.119



and even especially those are that are backed by data,168701:24:50.119 --> 01:24:52.920



and then take that in and then maybe you might168801:24:53.000 --> 01:24:55.640



find that, hey, I'm looking at this wrong way. I168901:24:55.680 --> 01:24:57.000



think that might be one of the problems we have169001:24:57.079 --> 01:25:00.279



with the US at this moment is we got to169101:25:00.279 --> 01:25:01.439



get back to that. We got to get back to169201:25:01.520 --> 01:25:04.600



being an objective and hearing other people out and not169301:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.000



just being so like, you know, here's my palm palms,169401:25:07.039 --> 01:25:08.359



I got cheer for my team, and no, I don't169501:25:08.399 --> 01:25:12.479



care what you say. No I like I like TMX regardless,169601:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.279



it doesn't matter. And that that's just stupid. You're so wrong.169701:25:15.520 --> 01:25:20.279



You guys suck and we're awesome. I mean, now that's boring.169801:25:20.359 --> 01:25:23.199



That's yeah. It is. The other thing too, is I169901:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.399



think so somewhere as a society we lost that. We170001:25:26.479 --> 01:25:32.600



lost the appreciation for like development, for growth, for learning170101:25:32.600 --> 01:25:36.680



a new thing. People got complacent. They they're just like, no,170201:25:36.800 --> 01:25:38.520



I like this, this is what it is, and this170301:25:38.560 --> 01:25:41.520



is how it has to stay because this is familiar,170401:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.560



This is comfortable, this is safe, and you know, it170501:25:44.600 --> 01:25:46.520



can be kind of scary going out there and hearing170601:25:46.560 --> 01:25:49.560



a different opinion or learning someone learning somebody else's beliefs170701:25:49.680 --> 01:25:54.840



or somebody else's thoughts. But like I said, I mean,170801:25:54.880 --> 01:25:56.560



you kind of need to do it because if you don't,170901:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.800



your your stagnation is death. I mean, coming back to that.171001:26:00.920 --> 01:26:03.680



Maybe maybe it's just because you know, we're getting older171101:26:03.720 --> 01:26:07.920



and getting a little morose, but like you know, you171201:26:08.039 --> 01:26:10.840



got to keep moving or you and that's you know,171301:26:11.199 --> 01:26:13.199



you got to keep moving or you die. I mean,171401:26:14.119 --> 01:26:18.920



and that's not just a you know, I mean yes, societally, culturally, individually,171501:26:19.319 --> 01:26:21.359



but I mean even people like if you look at171601:26:21.720 --> 01:26:26.439



old people like like Congress, the when you get past171701:26:26.479 --> 01:26:29.199



a certain point, you stop moving, you stop stop acting,171801:26:29.279 --> 01:26:33.960



you stop learning, growing, changing, keeping your mental wits about you,171901:26:34.079 --> 01:26:38.319



keeping your physical body and motion. I mean you literally172001:26:38.359 --> 01:26:41.399



you start to deteriorate. And you'll see that with and172101:26:41.520 --> 01:26:44.640



I again, maybe I'm overly focused on these things recently,172201:26:44.720 --> 01:26:46.720



just because of things that are going on, and you know,172301:26:47.199 --> 01:26:49.920



you know, my parents are getting older, and and I172401:26:49.960 --> 01:26:51.720



think about these things in terms of them, and it's172501:26:51.760 --> 01:26:55.359



like for being older people. My parents and like my172601:26:55.399 --> 01:26:58.600



wife's parents are still pretty active, you know, and they're172701:26:58.760 --> 01:27:03.359



keeping busy and keeping keeping their minds sharp. And because172801:27:03.399 --> 01:27:05.079



I mean I remember when I was a kid and172901:27:05.119 --> 01:27:07.399



seeing people and hearing oh, like that guy's you know,173001:27:07.560 --> 01:27:11.159



sixty five, and like the guy looks like walking death.173101:27:11.199 --> 01:27:14.840



Oh my god, that's changed a bit now. Huh yeah.173201:27:14.640 --> 01:27:17.279



Now my parents are, you know, in the late sixties173301:27:17.319 --> 01:27:21.560



and uh late I got a math now, okay, early seventies.173401:27:22.279 --> 01:27:25.319



My parents are in their early seventies, and you know,173501:27:25.399 --> 01:27:28.319



and there's like my mom and my stepdad just got173601:27:28.359 --> 01:27:30.880



back from a cruise to Alaska, and you know, they173701:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.560



they went hiking in the freaking wilderness in Alaska. And173801:27:34.560 --> 01:27:39.239



and my my dad lives in like Bufu, northern Wisconsin,173901:27:39.479 --> 01:27:42.119



in like a unibomber shed in the middle of nowhere,174001:27:42.680 --> 01:27:45.199



and like he just cut down a whole damn tree174101:27:45.319 --> 01:27:49.600



last week. I mean, damn. That's now granted, But I174201:27:49.600 --> 01:27:51.359



stand by the statement that I think my father is174301:27:51.359 --> 01:27:53.159



probably one of the hardest people I've ever met in174401:27:53.199 --> 01:27:55.640



my life. I Mean, he's a great dude. He's a174501:27:55.640 --> 01:27:58.520



wonderful human being. He's like, actually, this kind of like174601:27:58.720 --> 01:28:01.720



biker hippie guy from this you know, like from the sixties,174701:28:01.880 --> 01:28:04.399



or he's a for real hippie and but you know174801:28:04.439 --> 01:28:08.800



he's also this big, tatted up biker who looks intimidating174901:28:08.840 --> 01:28:10.600



as hell, but you know he likes to go out175001:28:10.640 --> 01:28:13.680



and garden and play with his dog. And I mean,175101:28:13.720 --> 01:28:18.359



he's just a great guy until he's not. And then175201:28:18.359 --> 01:28:21.199



and then it's like my brother and I used to175301:28:21.279 --> 01:28:23.560



joke when we when we were kids, like, you know,175401:28:25.000 --> 01:28:26.399



I don't know, but if he ever has to go175501:28:26.399 --> 01:28:28.279



on a home you're doing it. And I'm like, the175601:28:28.279 --> 01:28:31.039



fuck I am. Huh huh, We're paying somebody to put175701:28:31.079 --> 01:28:32.600



him in a home. I'm not getting involved in that175801:28:32.640 --> 01:28:36.079



ship at all. I'm terrified of that old fart man.175901:28:36.319 --> 01:28:39.600



Everything he says a great example, and I'm still terrified176001:28:39.640 --> 01:28:41.520



of him. So yeah, everything he just says a great176101:28:41.520 --> 01:28:45.199



example of like what you said earlier about you know,176201:28:46.359 --> 01:28:50.119



stopping and not not continue to grow and stopping uh176301:28:50.479 --> 01:28:55.239



leads to death because it does, and it translates literally176401:28:55.359 --> 01:28:58.720



in the physical aspect, like you said you stopped moving176501:28:58.760 --> 01:29:01.960



your boy ceriates. It's not use very very kin to176601:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.000



anybody who has a desk job for a living, Like176701:29:04.159 --> 01:29:06.079



you see them getting into their mid forties and they176801:29:06.119 --> 01:29:09.000



just they're already starting to fall apart, you know, because176901:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.439



they're not using their body. So yeah, that's that's a177001:29:12.520 --> 01:29:14.720



very true statement that plays out in the real world,177101:29:14.760 --> 01:29:16.600



not not not just a theoretical statement.177201:29:17.119 --> 01:29:19.079



And and well, and that's the thing is, people don't177301:29:19.079 --> 01:29:21.840



actually make that equation, like even the ones who acknowledge, like, Okay,177401:29:21.840 --> 01:29:24.079



you gotta, I gotta, I got. I have a desk job,177501:29:24.119 --> 01:29:25.359



so I have to go to the gym after work,177601:29:25.399 --> 01:29:26.920



or I have to go to the gym before work. Right,177701:29:27.680 --> 01:29:29.279



I have to move, I have to stay physically active177801:29:29.359 --> 01:29:32.359



to stay healthy. You have to do that with your177901:29:32.359 --> 01:29:36.199



mentality too, And I agree, take that for granted. They're178001:29:36.199 --> 01:29:40.039



like they they don't. I mean, you know, yeah, we178101:29:40.119 --> 01:29:43.319



have brain teasers and puzzles and things like that, but178201:29:43.800 --> 01:29:49.359



that's not the only aspect of mental exercise. I mean, like,178301:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.319



I'm I'm a not as much as I used to be,178401:29:52.359 --> 01:29:55.680



but I'm I've always been a pretty voracious reader. I mean,178501:29:55.720 --> 01:29:58.880



I'll knock out a six hundred page book in a178601:29:58.880 --> 01:30:03.720



couple of days. That was me. Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I mean,178701:30:03.760 --> 01:30:06.920



I love like a sleep. No, I'm not gonna lie. No,178801:30:07.159 --> 01:30:08.880



I was gonna say, that's the problem is I still178901:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.439



love reading, it just takes me a lot longer to179001:30:11.479 --> 01:30:15.239



do it. Yeah, it's like and part of that might179101:30:15.319 --> 01:30:17.960



just be the like the getting old and the physicality179201:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.600



of the last you know, twenty five years catching up179301:30:20.600 --> 01:30:23.720



with me, where it's like, yeah, it used to be179401:30:23.840 --> 01:30:28.039



I would run on four to five hours of sleep, yeah,179501:30:28.079 --> 01:30:31.079



pretty much every day, you know, and then like if179601:30:31.079 --> 01:30:34.880



I got sick, I would crash for like twenty some hours.179701:30:34.920 --> 01:30:37.239



And then the first time that happened actually was kind179801:30:37.239 --> 01:30:39.119



of funny. Right after my wife and I got married,179901:30:39.159 --> 01:30:41.640



I got I got sick for the first time where180001:30:41.760 --> 01:30:43.960



after we had been living because I never used to180101:30:43.960 --> 01:30:47.439



get sick very frequently, and the first time I got180201:30:47.479 --> 01:30:51.319



like legitimately sick was after we got married. We've been180301:30:51.319 --> 01:30:52.960



we've been living together for like two years, and I'd180401:30:52.960 --> 01:30:55.600



never like even really gotten a fever or anything. And180501:30:55.600 --> 01:30:58.000



then I got legitimately sick one day and I was180601:30:58.039 --> 01:31:00.680



like at work and I was dead on my feet basically,180701:31:01.199 --> 01:31:03.760



and my boss called my wife and was like, you180801:31:03.800 --> 01:31:05.880



need to come get him. I'm not letting him drive home.180901:31:06.800 --> 01:31:10.279



He's he's wobbling on his feet, and my wife's like,181001:31:10.760 --> 01:31:13.960



he's not drunk or you know, that's what she goes to.181101:31:14.039 --> 01:31:16.479



She's like, he's fine, he hasn't been drinking or anything.181201:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.199



What's going on is he He's like, no, I think181301:31:19.239 --> 01:31:23.159



he's sick. Like he's very pale, and he doesn't look good.181401:31:23.680 --> 01:31:27.600



And my wife came and picked me up and drove181501:31:27.640 --> 01:31:29.279



me home, and I by the time I got home,181601:31:29.319 --> 01:31:30.880



I took my temperature. I had like one hundred and181701:31:30.880 --> 01:31:35.720



three degree fever and I was just really not doing well.181801:31:36.119 --> 01:31:40.479



So I drank half a gallon of gatorade and laid181901:31:40.479 --> 01:31:42.079



down on the couch, rolled up in a blanket, and182001:31:42.119 --> 01:31:45.439



went to sleep. I don't remember. I don't remember any182101:31:45.520 --> 01:31:50.800



of this, but she told me so like thirteen hours later,182201:31:52.039 --> 01:31:54.520



like the next morning, she couldn't get me to wake up,182301:31:55.279 --> 01:31:57.199



and she was starting to freak out. Like I was182401:31:57.239 --> 01:31:59.840



still breathing. I was just snoring peacefully in my sleep.182501:31:59.840 --> 01:32:04.479



I'm couch, hadn't moved all night and basically comatose, and182601:32:04.600 --> 01:32:07.000



my mom happened to call because it was right before Thanksgiving.182701:32:07.000 --> 01:32:08.840



It was like two days before Thanksgiving, and my mom182801:32:08.880 --> 01:32:10.760



called it just you know, hey, how's it going? Blah182901:32:10.800 --> 01:32:12.920



blah blah, and she's like, I'm really kind of worried.183001:32:12.920 --> 01:32:15.119



I can't get Aeron to wake up. And my mom said,183101:32:15.800 --> 01:32:18.600



did he get sick? And she goes, well, yeah, he183201:32:18.600 --> 01:32:20.720



was running a fever esday. And my mom's like, was183301:32:20.720 --> 01:32:24.279



it around one hundred and two point eight. It's like183401:32:24.319 --> 01:32:26.960



it was almost one hundred and three, and she's like,183501:32:27.359 --> 01:32:32.239



how long has he been asleep? My wife tells, well,183601:32:32.399 --> 01:32:33.960



he got he went to sleep as soon as he183701:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.000



got home from work. It was like four o'clock and183801:32:36.119 --> 01:32:37.800



I went to check on him at seven and he's183901:32:37.800 --> 01:32:40.119



still asleep, and my mom like does the math and184001:32:40.159 --> 01:32:44.119



she's like, okay, so that's like fifteen hours. He's going184101:32:44.199 --> 01:32:47.479



to wake up around noon. He's going to be really hungry,184201:32:47.640 --> 01:32:51.039



and he's going to be dehydrated. And she says, if184301:32:51.079 --> 01:32:52.920



he doesn't wake up by one o'clock, then you can184401:32:52.960 --> 01:32:55.560



call the hospital and call an ambulance if he doesn't184501:32:55.600 --> 01:32:58.279



wake up by like one, and sure as hell, about184601:32:58.279 --> 01:33:02.960



eleven fifteen, I pop up off the couch like we184701:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.640



got any food? Make breakfast? And she's just looking at184801:33:06.640 --> 01:33:09.000



me like, what the hell's wrong with you. I'm like,184901:33:09.159 --> 01:33:11.119



what do you talk about? I'm fine, I feel great,185001:33:11.800 --> 01:33:15.960



my feet, I'm good. I'm hungry and I'm thirsty, and185101:33:16.039 --> 01:33:19.239



I like, like, we don't we uh? We get bottled185201:33:20.479 --> 01:33:22.760



the five gallon jugs of water here because the water185301:33:22.840 --> 01:33:26.840



water where we live is shit and it's very full185401:33:26.840 --> 01:33:30.199



of heavy metals and shit. So I pay for water,185501:33:30.279 --> 01:33:32.359



and so I went to the little water cooler thing185601:33:32.359 --> 01:33:34.760



and I filled up like a sixty four ounce mug185701:33:34.840 --> 01:33:37.239



that I have, and I drank two of them right185801:33:37.279 --> 01:33:39.279



off the bat. So I literally drank a gallon of water.185901:33:39.319 --> 01:33:40.960



As soon as I got up. You just sweated all186001:33:41.000 --> 01:33:43.640



out because it was all it was, all wrapped up186101:33:43.680 --> 01:33:46.119



in the blanket. Yeah, And she's my and my wife's186201:33:46.119 --> 01:33:50.199



looking at me. She's like, your mom was right? When186301:33:50.239 --> 01:33:51.760



did you talk to my mom? And she's like, well,186401:33:51.800 --> 01:33:54.119



she called this morning and I told her I couldn't186501:33:54.119 --> 01:33:56.600



wake you up, and she said, if it's been less186601:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.600



than twenty hours, I shouldn't be freaking out because that's186701:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.000



what you do when you get sick. And apparently your186801:34:03.000 --> 01:34:05.560



father does the same thing. And I'm like, oh, yeah,186901:34:05.560 --> 01:34:07.399



I've only seen dad get sick twice in like my187001:34:07.560 --> 01:34:10.199



entire life. But yes, that's what happens. We go, we go,187101:34:10.359 --> 01:34:12.079



we go to sleep, we go into a coma for187201:34:12.119 --> 01:34:16.199



like a day, and then we're fine. Huh. And so yeah,187301:34:16.199 --> 01:34:19.720



that just totally freaked her out. And that's crazy where187401:34:19.760 --> 01:34:21.640



I was going. I forgot the point of that story.187501:34:22.159 --> 01:34:27.359



I don't know a little. I'm not I I tend187601:34:27.359 --> 01:34:31.319



to do that. That's okay, it's all good. Man. Well187701:34:31.479 --> 01:34:35.279



let me see, shoot's been going over an hour and187801:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.800



a half. Yeah. I tend to do that too, by187901:34:38.800 --> 01:34:40.600



the way, I should have warned yet. No, No, I'm188001:34:40.680 --> 01:34:43.119



I'm fine with it. I'm good. I was just gonna say, uh,188101:34:44.239 --> 01:34:45.760



I want to keep going. But let's.188201:34:47.039 --> 01:34:48.439



I think you and I should stay in touch and188301:34:48.600 --> 01:34:50.439



probably do this again down cool.188401:34:51.079 --> 01:34:53.520



Oh that definitely, dude. This has been fun. This is188501:34:53.520 --> 01:34:54.880



a this is a good talk. Yeah.188601:34:55.479 --> 01:34:58.279



Look, there's nothing wrong with just being yourself and just riffing.188701:34:58.399 --> 01:35:01.680



And you know, I think I think this was great.188801:35:01.800 --> 01:35:03.560



It was good for I think it was good good188901:35:03.560 --> 01:35:05.840



for you, and I wanted to introduce you to my audience.189001:35:05.880 --> 01:35:07.439



And I like what you do, man, I love I189101:35:07.479 --> 01:35:08.199



love your rants.189201:35:08.239 --> 01:35:09.800



You ever to come on my show too? I mean189301:35:09.920 --> 01:35:12.520



I'll do it. I'm good, I'm I want to get back.189401:35:12.560 --> 01:35:14.239



I did guests for a while, and I could just189501:35:14.279 --> 01:35:16.199



kind of got away from it just because every time189601:35:16.239 --> 01:35:18.640



I tried booking something, somebody, you know, something came up,189701:35:18.680 --> 01:35:21.760



somebody went wrong on something. It's hard. It's hard. So189801:35:21.960 --> 01:35:23.439



I just kind of got out of it for a189901:35:23.479 --> 01:35:25.600



little while because I was like, you know, I mean,190001:35:25.760 --> 01:35:28.039



the guest episodes are fun and I like doing them190101:35:29.000 --> 01:35:32.920



my audience, I mean, my listeners listen to the guest190201:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.720



episodes too, and sometimes they find new stuff. But on190301:35:35.760 --> 01:35:37.800



the other hand, I was also for a while, I190401:35:37.800 --> 01:35:40.399



got kind of paranoid about it because like it was190501:35:40.479 --> 01:35:43.319



like during the big pod fade, where you know, a190601:35:43.319 --> 01:35:47.039



lot of the COVID podcasters stopped coviing because stopped podcasting190701:35:47.039 --> 01:35:48.640



because all of a sudden, they went back to having lives.190801:35:49.479 --> 01:35:51.199



And it was like for a while, it was like190901:35:51.359 --> 01:35:53.960



every time I had a guest on the show died191001:35:54.119 --> 01:35:57.800



like three weeks later, and I'm like, people were just191101:35:57.880 --> 01:36:02.560



overwhelmed with it. Maybe I'm the problem. These people come191201:36:02.600 --> 01:36:04.079



and talk to me and then they realize I don't191301:36:04.079 --> 01:36:05.199



want to do this shit no more.191401:36:08.119 --> 01:36:12.920



Oh yeah, uh tell everybody where they can find you191501:36:14.000 --> 01:36:18.159



all that information real Quickfore we sign off and sure, let's.191601:36:18.000 --> 01:36:20.359



See I can be found on any and all of191701:36:20.439 --> 01:36:23.279



these podcast platforms by putting in I had to say it,191801:36:23.279 --> 01:36:25.199



and you look for a screaming grilla with a microphone191901:36:25.239 --> 01:36:27.560



and that is the right show. Otherwise you can go192001:36:27.600 --> 01:36:29.439



to I had to say at podcast dot com and192101:36:29.560 --> 01:36:34.079



there is a show there with there's links to you know,192201:36:34.159 --> 01:36:37.039



other other shows. I've interacted with guests, uh, people that192301:36:37.119 --> 01:36:40.520



I podcasts. I like things I recommend. It's I mean, really,192401:36:40.600 --> 01:36:44.239



it's it's just kind of my own little thing where192501:36:44.239 --> 01:36:46.960



it's like it's a landing platform, it's got ways to192601:36:46.960 --> 01:36:49.800



contact me, it's got like I said, but I see192701:36:49.840 --> 01:36:51.720



it more as like here's a bunch of other shit192801:36:51.760 --> 01:36:53.399



you guys should check out because I think it's cool192901:36:53.439 --> 01:36:55.439



and I think you'll think it's cool too. I mean,193001:36:55.640 --> 01:36:58.199



it really is kind of like my little like, hi, friends,193101:36:58.399 --> 01:37:01.319



look at this stuff because I look at my shiny rocks.193201:37:01.680 --> 01:37:04.119



You know. It's it's it's things I've found that I193301:37:04.119 --> 01:37:05.880



think are cool and I want to share with other people.193401:37:06.319 --> 01:37:09.399



And so that's really what's at the website. I mean, yes,193501:37:09.439 --> 01:37:11.520



you can find me. But more more so, you're gonna193601:37:11.520 --> 01:37:12.800



find a bunch of shit I think is really cool.193701:37:12.840 --> 01:37:17.039



Other podcasts, other shows, you know. I mean, there's the193801:37:17.079 --> 01:37:18.880



links to the usual stuff like the buy me a193901:37:18.920 --> 01:37:22.680



coffee and the Patreon and which I'm kind of excited.194001:37:22.720 --> 01:37:23.960



I did the math the other day. If I can194101:37:23.960 --> 01:37:26.560



get four more Patreon subscribers, my Patreon will be a194201:37:26.560 --> 01:37:30.720



break even, which will be awesome because I'm like, you know,194301:37:31.359 --> 01:37:33.760



But on the other hand, I feel bad, like I194401:37:33.800 --> 01:37:35.720



don't want to take money from anybody. If you want to,194501:37:35.800 --> 01:37:40.039



that's great because like I said, look, I'm not I'm194601:37:40.119 --> 01:37:42.560



using the Royal you, not not the specific you. But194701:37:42.920 --> 01:37:44.840



oh no, no, I was gonna say, look, I look194801:37:44.880 --> 01:37:47.640



at it this way. I think I think people should194901:37:47.680 --> 01:37:51.239



hear your show. I I like how you support independent195001:37:51.239 --> 01:37:52.640



podcasts because like when you go to your site, you195101:37:52.720 --> 01:37:55.239



do list some independent people that that you recommend, which195201:37:55.239 --> 01:37:57.439



is great. Although I do need to update it because195301:37:57.439 --> 01:37:59.319



like I said, there's a bunch more of those Kisses195401:37:59.319 --> 01:38:00.880



of Death people on there. I need to move from195501:38:00.880 --> 01:38:05.079



A to the inactive section. It's just it's hard for195601:38:05.079 --> 01:38:08.279



me to keep up with it because honestly, and half195701:38:08.319 --> 01:38:10.600



the time I forget the website exists. Well, I mean195801:38:10.680 --> 01:38:13.079



I'm gonna say stop that I don't update it. It's195901:38:13.119 --> 01:38:16.199



just it's like I update like, oh, here's new stuff.196001:38:16.239 --> 01:38:18.000



I don't go you know what I need to I196101:38:18.039 --> 01:38:20.760



need to prune some of these people because that part196201:38:20.840 --> 01:38:22.720



is like sad and I don't want to think about it.196301:38:22.760 --> 01:38:24.279



I'm like, no shiny new rocks.196401:38:24.439 --> 01:38:27.199



Well as when when you're independent, you don't have a196501:38:27.239 --> 01:38:28.600



staff to do all this, so it's like you got196601:38:28.720 --> 01:38:30.159



to find time on your day to do all these196701:38:30.239 --> 01:38:33.880



updates and like I said, edits and whatever, but the.196801:38:33.880 --> 01:38:35.279



Boss keeps getting mad at me when I do the196901:38:35.279 --> 01:38:35.960



stuff at works.197001:38:37.680 --> 01:38:39.680



I'm gonna encourage everybody to listen to you, and I'm197101:38:39.720 --> 01:38:42.960



gonna say it. I'm going to say, listen to Aaron's podcast,197201:38:43.159 --> 01:38:44.520



listen to I had to say it, and if you197301:38:44.680 --> 01:38:46.800



like them, by all means, buy him a fucking coffee.197401:38:46.880 --> 01:38:49.880



Just just just give him a little something for his efforts.197501:38:50.079 --> 01:38:53.279



So listen, man, thanks, I'm gonna have to. I'm about197601:38:53.279 --> 01:38:54.880



to end it. I think you and I both need197701:38:54.880 --> 01:38:57.840



a break after a long day here and appreciate it.197801:38:57.840 --> 01:38:59.560



And yeah, I'll stay in touch and I'll definitely be197901:38:59.600 --> 01:39:01.479



on your show. Not a problem, man, Let's let's let's198001:39:01.479 --> 01:39:04.199



connect after this. Yeah, for sure, we'll set something up.198101:39:04.239 --> 01:39:07.239



We'll have some more Ranti, Ranti and zep on time.198201:39:07.720 --> 01:39:11.039



All right, Thank you Eron, appreciate it, my friend. Well198301:39:11.079 --> 01:39:16.439



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