Feb. 16, 2025

63 - Aaron Deshotel - Host of I Had To Say It

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Join us for an engaging conversation where Aaron and I delve into the nuances of life, the unique challenges and rewards of working in the service and events industry, and the shared experiences of being Generation X. Aaron, the host of the popular podcast I Had To Say It, brings his no-nonsense, straightforward style to the table. Known for his candid takes on current events and politics, Aaron's approach offers listeners an unfiltered perspective on the world around us. Tune in for a discussion that's both insightful and refreshingly honest.

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You are listening to a Fons Media Network production.

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Hello, World of Blaze listeners. In this episode, I welcome

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Erin Desk's Hotel. He is a chef and the host

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of the I Had to Say It podcast. Eron I

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had a great discussion about life working in the events

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and service industry, podcasting, and being a gen xer. Aaron

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has a no bullshit approach that he applies to various

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topics on his podcast, especially when it comes to current

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events and politics. As I said earlier, Erin and I

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had a great conversation. I think that you're going to

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really enjoy anyway, as we were riffing earlier, Thanks for

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coming on Erin Desk Hotel for that.

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Correct. That is correct? All right.

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So you I've come across on X a few times

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because you interact with Whiskey Hell quite a bit.

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Good guys. Yeah.

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I interact with them as well, for sure, and they

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are good guys. But it got me to listening to

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your podcast, and I'm like this, this guy at times

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could literally be almost my twin, you know. And I

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love your no bullshit approach, like the way you just

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just go after it. You call things for what it

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is and how you see it. You're not afraid to

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speak your mind. And I was like, I got to

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talk to you. I mean, this is this is uh,

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we need more of it, we need more of it.

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I'm inclined to agree with you on that one. And

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thank you. I appreciate that. And uh, actually I did

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you know I've gone throwing up and listening to your

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show too, and I was like, yeap, you know what

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this is going to work? I got this is somebody

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I can talk to, you know, And it's one of

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those things. It's like I feel like we're roughly pretty

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close to the same age too, so that might have

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something to do with it. Yeah, I believe I picked

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that up because oh jeez, now, my just I was

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just the episode I was listening to last night, Actually

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I was, I was driving home. It was the guest spot.

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You guys started out the episode smoking cigars, oh with

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Ryan Ryan McBeth, thank you, Yes, yes, And I was like,

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I'm like, at some point in there, you guys mentioned it.

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He said he's getting ready to turn fifty and you

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said you're catching up to him. I'm like, I'm a

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couple of years out myself, so I'm roughly in the

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same ballpark, and yeah we are.

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Actually, you know what, I just realized, Aaron, I mentioned

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your podcast, but your podcast is. I had to say it,

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and I have to say what your podcast is, So

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the title is I had to say it. And first

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before we move on at I'm just gonna tell everybody

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right now, if if you listen to me, you gotta

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listen to Aaron. I think you're gonna are gonna like it.

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I think I think Aaron comes off like a rapid fire.

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I have a hard time keeping up with you sometimes

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because you just spit it out man, and you're but

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you're on point the whole time, which is crazy.

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I appreciate that. It's Uh. The funny thing is occasionally

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I'll get people that were like I start interact, like

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whether it's over like a zoom call like this or

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a team's meeting, or in person or in real life,

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and people are like, you know, I thought that might

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be just a lot of editing, but you really are

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like this, And I'm like, when I get rolling, I

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can be I am. I am very verbose, I'm very

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comfortable speaking my mind. Obviously. That's the other thing. I

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got a lot of people that have heard the podcast

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have been like I don't know how you could do that,

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and da da da da, and like I I haven't

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Ever since I launched the show, I haven't really like,

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I haven't been one of the people like, oh, I

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have to maintain anonymity. This could come back and bite

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me in the ass. I've had a lot of people

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like dude, you can't say that. Yeah, I can. Actually,

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at the end of the day, I still believe that

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we'd be a lot better off if people were more

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forthright and more honest. Being artificially fake, being well, artificially

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fake is that's a redundant being artificially polite being. I mean,

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there's a time and a place for decorum and proper,

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proper manners, and like I was raised very strictly, you

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know this is appropriate. This is not I contrary to

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the image I portray it in a lot of ways

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through my show, I'm actually very good at dealing with

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situations where you have to be proper and well behaved

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and well mannered. And I won't lean on a table

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because at one point I did that in front of

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my grandmother and she cracked me in the elbow with

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a soup spoon. So I mean I do. I do

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know how to be proper, in prim and professional when

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it's required. But on the other side of the point,

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I do believe that a lot of this this falsehood

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that we put forward due to societal pressures and people, Oh, well,

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that hurts my feelings and I'm offended. Well, at the

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end of the day, maybe you need to be offended

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because people lying to each other and equivocating because they're

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afraid of social stigma, they're afraid of the backlash, they're

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afraid of somebody getting bent out of shape. They're they're

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indulging the proclivities of people to be like, my feelings

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and my values are more important than yours. So you

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can't say these things because I'm going to get but

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hurt about it and I'm gonna throw a fit. And

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we've allowed it to get to the point where you

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don't know what you're actually dealing with. And that pisss

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me off more than anything else, because in a lot

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of ways, I am a very like what you see

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is what you get, no bullshit, no equivocation. You know

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exactly where you stand with me. If I like you,

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I mean, I'm still gonna talk crap about you, because

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that's I think that's just our generation. You talk shit

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about your friends. That's that's normal to me. I don't

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believe that you would be like, oh, well, no, that's

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my best friend. I would never say anything about my

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best eat man. I will say six mean things about

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my best friend to his face, three more to his wife,

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and people come right back and make fun of my

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hairline with just as you can see non existent view.

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The listeners can't see it. I have a very shiny

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head and I forgot to put my hat on, so

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it's glaring into the camera. That's because, thanks to some

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wonderful genetics, every man on my mom's side of the

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family has that Georgekastanza toilet bowl haircut. George stands and

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I'm not rocking that look. I'm not a friar tuck.

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I'm not doing the fringe. So it's I'm clean shaven.

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I'm thankful. I have a good shaped head, which, you know,

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despite all the childhood trauma of being gen X and like,

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you know, not wearing a helmet to ride a bicycle

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and running into trees and playing football and all that

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other stuff, I still came out with a good shaped head.

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So you know count my blessings. Well, don't worry, I'm

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hiding my bald and it's under my hat as well.

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So well, I, like I said, I usually try to

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just to be polite and not have the gleam in

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the camera. But I listen to the.

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Challenges of a bald man. I swear people do not

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get it. They just don't get it.

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Oh, they really don't. And and unfortunately again family trade.

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You know, I've been shaving my head for twenty friggin

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years at this point, you know, And and when I

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was younger, particularly when I was like in my early twenties.

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Just a little background information. I'm a chef, right, I

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just I've been working in the service industry, culinary industry

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for almost thirty years at this point. Started when I

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was a teenager, just doubled down and went into it

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like hardcore. In my early twenties. I also was really

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like in my more so in my twenties than my teens,

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I really got into like, you know, weightlifting, weight training, fighting.

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I would bounce on the weekends just because I was like, oh, gee,

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it's not enough that I work fourteen hours a day.

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I need to do something at night too. To keep

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myself out of trouble, so I would bounce at night.

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And so you get this big, kind of kind of grumpy,

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kind of chiseled, bald guy walking around who happens to

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be pasty white because he never sees the sun, because

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during the day he's in a kitchen and at night

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he's in a bar. And a lot of people would

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make assumptions about my demean people I associated with who

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I was. Then they'd be like, hmm, big bald white guy,

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that he's racist as ship. And I'm like, if you

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look at my friends group of people I grew up with,

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I mean, and again, I think this is really our

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generation was kind of one of those like we didn't

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care about dumb shit. It was if you were cool,

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he'd hang out with you. If you weren't cool, we'd

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make you cry. Yeah, I mean, you're right on that

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is that's the truth. That's that's how I grew up.

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That's that's It's like, dude, we like doing X, Y

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and Z. You like doing that too, Okay, come along. Yeah,

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So I'm gonna make fun of your glasses, I'm gonna

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make fun of your haircut, and I'm gonna make fun

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of you know your waistline, but I'm not the other crap.

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We can't and you know, let's I've never cared, but

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a lot of people make assumptions about me because, like

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I said, big bald, white dude, you must be like, no,

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I've got I've gotten that too. Yeah, I've gotten that

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to Aaron. And you know what I just learned.

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Just be yourself. Man, If you're a good person, people

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eventually see it. And if they don't, honestly, they didn't

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need to be in your life. Yeah exactly.

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I mean, that's that's just bottom line. That's I completely

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agree with you. It's I mean, I I and I

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want a lot of people over just by being my me.

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I mean I am boisterous, I am loud, I am opinionated. Uh,

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which again, everything you'll hear if you listen to my

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podcast that that's maybe a little bit of amplification just

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for effect, but that's really how I am pretty much

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across the board. Again, like I said, I can turn

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it off if if the need situation arises, if I'm

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talking to somebody that's like way more important than I am.

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If I'm dealing with clients, customers, you know, patrons, my

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boss HR. Well, actually no, I shouldn't say that, because

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I'm absolutely horrible to our HR lady. But fortunately she's

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pretty cool so because she gives it right back. I

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mean she's old school then too, right, Oh, it's very

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much so she's just like, you know, you can't say that.

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That's completely inappropriate. I said, you're smiling, I'm not in trouble,

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and I'll walk away. Man, Aaron, I gotta ask you, man,

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because I think a lot of us independent podcasters we

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got in this for other reasons. But why did you

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start getting me hind of mic and press and record?

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What led to that? COVID? That's the short form answer

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of it. I have been honestly kicking around the idea

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of launching a podcast since like twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen,

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like the early days before people for it was actually popular. Yeah,

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And I was doing it because, like I said, I'm

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a chef. That's what I've been, that's my chosen career path,

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that's the life path I took. But in my developmental years,

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I was really into computers. I was one of those

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like mid nineties text based, twenty eight eight dial up

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internet geeks. Yep. The funny thing was in my situation.

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And I was also on the football team, and like

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I said, weight training, and I wasn't like a track person.

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I throw the heaviest. I wasn't a runner, but so'm

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but I also happened to be like honors classes, geeky.

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I was in band, I was in year book. But

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on the other hand, I was like, go ahead and

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say something, give me shit about it. I want you

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to so I but so I was really into like

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the internet pretty much from the time it started being

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a thing. So I was aware of podcasts just via that,

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and I was kind of like, this is kind of cool,

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you know, you put out these little like pseudo radio shows.

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And I was actually kind of looking at going into

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broadcasting when I first graduated from high school. That's a

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bit of an exaggeration too, When I first graduated from

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high school, Originally I was actually the first time I

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went to college, I was a going to be a

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finance major in pre law and then be a financial lawyer.

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Which that that I realized really quickly that like family

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oriented life path that like my my forebears decided was

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what Aaron should do with his life was not what

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I wanted to do, so I kind of walked away

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from that. But but at the same time, it was

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like I was debating going into broadcasting before I decided,

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you know what, I've been working in kitchens all this time.

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I think I'm going to run with that. I think

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I'd make a good chef, and so I was thinking

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about doing radio, and then I was like, well, this

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podcasting thing is kind of cool. And I have like

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a lot of my friends, particularly in my early to

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mid twenties, which you know, let's we're back at that timetable.

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All these guys were like, you know, dude, you tell

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great stories. You should do this, you should do that.

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And then you start podcasting starts becoming a thing, and

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they're like, dude, you should get you should start a podcast.

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You'd kill it. You could just get on there and

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crack jokes and da da da da dad. And I'm like, yeah,

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it's I don't have the time, because at that point

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I was starting to get into like just got married,

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dealing with a family, Like I don't have time to

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sit down and record shit. I don't have time to

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tell stories into a microphone and then try and make

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it sound good and edit it. And clean all that

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up because I, like I said, since I had kind

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of looked at going into broadcasting, I was slightly aware

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of the process. I mean not super well educated on it,

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but enough to be aware that it was more work

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than I had time to commit to it. You know,

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I had a kid to raise, I had a wife

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to a wife to keep from lighting me on fire

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in my sleep, and I was busy. And then then,

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like I said, then after kicking the idea around for

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a few years, and it came up actually on my

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Facebook memories the other day, I made a post like

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three years before I actually started the show, like, hey,

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what would you guys think if I started doing this

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here And here's a list of names you guys should

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vote on the names of what you think would be

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a good name for a podcast by Aaron. And this

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was right around the time, like Rogan was really starting

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to take off and all that stuff, so like twenty

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eighteen ish, and so again I got some responses. One

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of the names was actually pretty close to I had

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to say it, which was it was one of the

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one of the contenders was it has to be said,

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And I was like, it's almost but not right, And

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so yeah, so I've been kicking it around, like I said,

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forever basically, and then COVID happened and I got laid

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off because, like I said, culinary industry twenty twenty pretty

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much put my line of work into the ICU. I mean,

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none of us had jobs, and I can relate. I'll

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get into that later, but I can relate to that.

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But yeah, So twenty twenty year old around, and I

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was actually very fortunate because the company I was working

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for at the time, it's big national contract company, multiple divisions,

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literally thousands and thousands of employees. A lot of them

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got a lot of including some of my coworkers from

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my unit all got laid off, and then a small

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percentage of the staff was furloughed instead of laid off.

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So I was one of the people that got furloughed,

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you know. Thankfully for my situation, it worked out fantastically

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because the timing was like perfect. I got and I

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didn't get furloughed until March of twenty twenty. So the

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initial burst of COVID where everybody else was getting shut down,

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I managed to avoid because I had actually been farmed

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out from my facility to another facility. To help them

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implement a catering program. And then I was the general

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manager at that facility was going to be going on

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maternity to leave. So the plan was I would take

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over the facility when she went on maternity leave after

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I set up their new catering program for them, and

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and that that facility was involved in producing producing like

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hand sanitizers and stuff when there was a huge demand

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for all that actually an alcohol bottling facility, but they

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switched several of the production lines over to hand sanitizer. Yeah.

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Even a lot of distillers did that during that time

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so they can stay relevant in a float and pay

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their bills.

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Yeah, and that's exactly this company was bottling for those distillers.

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So they would take the you know, the big vats

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and break it down into gallon bottles. And yeah, it

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was an interesting time in my life. And uh so

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I thought I was going to be okay.

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And then so at what point during all this, like

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did you just have time in your hands and You're like,

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I just could I'm gonna finally.

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Just start this? Is that how that came about? Honestly,

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it wasn't even that. It was like I said, I

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got furloughed, So all of a sudden, I went from

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having somewhere to beat every day. And the thing is

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the company I was working for head thing where I

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still had to get up in the morning and log

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into this app that they put together to check and

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see if any of the facilities within twenty five miles

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of my home account needed people for that day, and

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if they did. As a furload employee, I had to

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say I am available for work. Because as a furload employee,

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they kept my benefits active and they and so I

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didn't have to worry about like my insurance and all

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that stuff. So I had insurance the entire time, which

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was perfect because my wife actually went in for knee

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surgery the day after I got furloughed, so and they

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told they told me it was gonna be two to

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three weeks. I was like, this is great. I can

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take two to three weeks off, stay home with my wife,

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take care of her while she's recuperating, and then go

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back to work and everything. I'll be fine. And it

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turned into like nine months. So after after like five

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or six weeks of sitting around the house, getting up

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at four thirty in the morning every day, logging into

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this app to go yep. Everybody within twenty five miles

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of my units still closed because we were all in

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the same division and everybody was furtiled, so all of

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those units were closed. So I knew nobody was working,

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so nobody was going to need me. But I still

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had to get up and log in, so it showed

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that I logged in, and I would get up in

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the morning and then like let the dog out and

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drink a cup of coffee, and I was just sitting there,

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like doing nothing, watching the news, watching TV, going stir

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crazy because I didn't have anybody to talk to other

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than my wife, and we kind of ran out of

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things to talk about because all we did was sit

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around and stare at each other all day. So I

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was like, I need to do something. This is driving

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me crazy, and you know, I was kind of hemming

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and hahn, and you know, I go from being out

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interacting with people every day to seeing just like I said,

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just my wife and occasionally my kid would come by

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the house, but by that point he had actually moved out,

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so it was, Yeah, it was very frustrating. And then

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I was apparently driving her crazy because she went online

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and got me an early birthday present and bought me

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a microphone and a little soundcard adapter thing to plug

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into my computer. And she was like, here, you need

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to use this. You know that podcast you've been talking about.

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You need to start that podcast because you need to

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talk to somebody other than me, because you're driving me

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freaking nuts. And I was like, okay, I love you, Yeah,

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I mean yeah, Well what do you say to that,

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Like okay, yes, dear, yeah right, it's go go talking

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to Mike exactly. Go go talk to random people on

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the internet and leave me the hell alone. Take your ranting, crazy,

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complaining ass in the other room. Close the door so

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I don't have to hear it. It's almost like saying,

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tell someone who gives damn. Yeah, it was a really

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nice way of telling me to go tell somebody that

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gives a damn. And what can I say. I don't

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blame her. She was not wrong. I really did need

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to just start venting my spleen a little bit, because

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that's the other thing about working in the service industry.

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I'm used to being around a lot of people. When

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I'm not in the customer facing side of things, that

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it's a different environment. I mean, I know most people

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do at least touch in service industry briefly when they're

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younger or whatever. But when you get around a bunch

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of career culinary people, like lifers, people who have made

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this their thing, there's something wrong with us. I say

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that all the time. I worked at a culinary school

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for years, and I would tell like the incoming freshman classes, like,

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if there's something wrong with you before you signed up

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for these classes, there will be something wrong with you

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by the time you get that diploma. Well, and I

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say that, Okay, what's funny. This is where the relation

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comes into what you said earlier, because I am in

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the events industry too. My company, that's what I do

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as a vent production and where the guys that the

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hanging speakers, the lights to stages where we do that,

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We do drape Shannon, We do all kinds of crazy stuff. Man.

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I actually I know exactly, you know, because I worked

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with a lot of you guys exactly specialist years. So

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that was uh with the company I was working for.

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That was literally my job title was catering specialist.

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Well, I was going to say, is I I feel

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like that like the events the industry in general, call service,

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event events, whatever, it's it's literally sometimes I feel like

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it's just made up of a bunch of misfits. You said, no,

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I don't want to I don't want to adhere to society,

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don't want to do it your way, you know, And yeah,

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it feels that way.

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There's there's a lot of like there's something wrong with us. Yeah,

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a little bit when everybody else is playing we're we're

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out here and we just we shall not conform. It's

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a it's it's a it's a truth. It's uh no,

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it is one of the things I found. I mean,

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it's kind of funny. I'm actually at this point in

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my life, I've managed to avoid a lot of the

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the less the less pleasant stereotypes I guess of the

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service industry. You know, I didn't develop any kind of

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major drug habits. I didn't. I mean, like, after you

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get to a certain point as a chef, you either

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have gone one of two routes and you're either like

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a full blown alcoholic or you're a recovery alcoholic. And

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that's a lifestyle though, right, you know, it's hard.

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The late nights, like crazy long nights, the long out

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the hours are insane and then he went. By the

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time you get home, everyone's in a sleep or there's

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no one around, so it's just you. Yeah, it's a

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hard life to live, man, because like same thing on

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our side, we do it. When we do it, we

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do I'm not lying to here, and we're literally working

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eighteen hours a day sometimes we have belore twenty four

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hour shifts where you don't get any sleep. You're dealing

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with shady promoters that can't even go out of the

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way to budge enough to get you a hotel room,

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or even you know, union labor when it's supposed to

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be a union house, and all a sudden, oh yeah,

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for you know what, there are other off it's just

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you two guys. I have these whole things like really,

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and you know we've been through the whole thing too.

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And it's like when you said, you know when your

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industry got shut down, I mean that's that was us.

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We all of a sudden, Hey, COVID's here, you can't

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do anything.

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Well, what do I do about? All these bills are

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to keep my business open, not our problem. You got

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to stop the spread, Okay, So now what Yeah, I

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I can I empathize, I feel your pain. Brother. It's uh.

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And like I said, I working as I did. Like

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I said, on the catering side of special events things,

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I've seen the work you're talking about. I respect the

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hell out of it. I've seen set up in teardowns

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that you know. And sometimes I was working in a facilities.

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Sometimes I was working in stuff where like with you know,

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some of my jobs, I was doing things like with

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colleges or with city officials where it's like we're setting

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up for twenty five thousand people to be at this function. Yep,

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you guys are heroes. I got. I I can coordinate

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my brigade and we'll have you know, fifty thousand sandwiches

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and you know, one hundred thousand sides done before the

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doors open. But you know that's just you know, preparation

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and repetition. You guys are doing all the brutal stuff.

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Yeah, but you know, I feel like if you're in events,

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in your in service man, there's a camaraderie regard. This

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doesn't matter if you're if you're a chef, you're an

464
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.119
av guy, it doesn't matter. We're all going to the

465
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:28.079
same crap. We're all taking shit, we're all getting talked

466
00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:32.039
down to. We're all having these crazy expectations put on us,

467
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:36.319
all because client X can't afford to pay for four

468
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.680
days that we need to set up and do our jobs.

469
00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:40.519
All has to be done in two oh and by

470
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.599
the way, you got to get everything out after the event.

471
00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:44.720
When does the event? And oh two in the morning.

472
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.599
Oh okay, yep, and we got something else going on

473
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:53.759
at nine point thirty exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're

474
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:58.200
talking my language. I get it. I I have definitely

475
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:02.279
I've been there. I feel you pain. It's uh, there's

476
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.920
something special about us. I'll say that. I'll just say

477
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:09.359
we're different. Yeah for it, We're a little We're a

478
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.359
little different. So did you so? So how did you feel?

479
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:15.119
What you look? And we cry on it, which is

480
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.799
just well, you know, we we do. We actually do

481
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.359
somehow it feeds us. I don't understand it, but you know,

482
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.519
I'll be honest here. And you know, as as I've

483
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.640
done this for so many years and I've owned my

484
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.200
business going on twenty seven years, I'm kind of getting tired, man,

485
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.799
I really am. But you know, until I can find

486
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:35.599
the excess strategy, I'm still in it. And it's not

487
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.839
like I hate I don't I hate doing it. It's

488
00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:39.720
just I think I'm just physically getting worn down after

489
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:39.960
a while.

490
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.319
There's so much that your body can do, and the

491
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:43.720
you're just like, oh yeah, it's getting hard to stay

492
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:44.559
up till two in the morning.

493
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:46.160
Man. It's like I can't be driving.

494
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.319
I can't be driving back to the shop at two

495
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:50.039
am and getting home at you know, at eight in

496
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.200
the morning. You know, a lot of those nights are

497
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:53.440
kind of I think a lot of those days are

498
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.359
getting behind me. But and I'm sure you probably feel

499
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:58.119
the same way a lot of a lot of times now,

500
00:25:58.240 --> 00:25:59.599
I mean you have.

501
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:01.960
To, I'll be honest, I kind of I found the

502
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:06.960
cheat code. It my industry, okay, chef, I should say

503
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.240
I found the cheat code. I went into corporate services.

504
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:15.400
Uh yeah, back right right before right before h COVID

505
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.759
hit I got. I got a corporate services job Monday

506
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:23.119
through Friday, with very minimal exceptions. The downside was I

507
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:24.839
had to be at work at four forty five in

508
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:29.160
the morning. The upside was I was home by like three. Yeah,

509
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.759
so yeah, that's nice. That's nice. And I had weekends

510
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.119
and and uh you know.

511
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:36.440
What, that's that's the thing A lot of people don't

512
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.000
understand about us, Like, like you got into corporate services,

513
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.720
you got that schedule, but before then, like I missed

514
00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:46.000
every holiday, every birthday, celebrate like, but people don't understand

515
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:49.519
about guys like us when you're celebrating. The reason you

516
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.079
have all these amenities is because we're working that.

517
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:58.119
Day, oh, without a doubt. And and then I don't

518
00:26:58.119 --> 00:26:59.200
know how it is for you. But I found the

519
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.839
backside of that on my I coin was on the rare, rare,

520
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:08.160
rare occasion where I wasn't humping. On one of those days,

521
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.559
I would get some jackass family member like, Hey, you're

522
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.759
a chef. You want to help me? Well, you know

523
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.480
we're having one hundred people over at my house for

524
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:21.839
the Fourth of July. You want to come over and barbecue? No,

525
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.400
you're like I do. That was a matter of fact.

526
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.920
I don't you remember when we were kids and I

527
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.279
used to shove your head in the fucking toilet. Guess

528
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.279
what's happening again? If I come to your house? Uh,

529
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.200
it was crazy. Is one of those blue pucks in

530
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.759
there too? I want I want the water to look

531
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:43.519
like Grandma's house. It knows crazy? Is my original pathway

532
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.559
there was two. But originally I actually wanted to be

533
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.039
a chef and I wanted to go to the San

534
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.599
Francisco Culinary Institute. And the only reason that never happened

535
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.880
is I couldn't get the finances to do it. And

536
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.799
then I veered into other directions because, like you said,

537
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:00.680
you were in band. I don't know what what instrument

538
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.960
did you pay Let's see primary instrument. I played trumpet

539
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:11.000
in the actual school band. I also played guitar, keyboards, harmonica. Awesome.

540
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:13.559
I was like, everybody in my family plays at least

541
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.880
two instruments, so nice, man, it's a family thing. Yeah,

542
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:17.279
I was.

543
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.839
I was a drummer, and then so I got out

544
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.240
of that and progressed into music, and then you know,

545
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.440
got into being a sound engineers, recording studios, all etc.

546
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:28.359
And then it just kind of just went that direction.

547
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.599
And then one day I was just like, yeah, you know,

548
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.920
I'm playing all over the place in this band. We're traveling,

549
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.880
you know, playing at the Whiskey, the you know, you

550
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.880
name all these big clubs. I'm starting our name out there,

551
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.000
and I'm just like, but until we make it, it's

552
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.160
not happening. And it's costing me to do these gigs

553
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.599
and I can go on the weekend provide some services

554
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:46.839
and make some actual money. And then I just abandoned

555
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:50.359
that and just got into production, you know, providing production.

556
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.440
And then that happened something. You know.

557
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.759
What's funny is almost everybody I know who became an engineer,

558
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:00.799
almost everybody who became a sound engineer or uh a

559
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.079
production owner, was a drummer. It's a weird thing. I

560
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.000
don't know why, but it just seems to there's something

561
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:08.880
about that, that trait that attracts us to this crazy lifestyle.

562
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:13.359
Uh, now that you mentioned it, yeah, I'm thinking about it,

563
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.759
thinking about a few of the drummers I know. Yeah, yeah,

564
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.440
Now that actually is a track. Hey, so when when

565
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.559
you when you got when you when you started the show? Though? Man,

566
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.480
so you started venting and and how'd you feel about

567
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.319
just vanding in the mic and just talking into the ether.

568
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.920
It's like, did you did you? Did you expect anybody

569
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.680
to listen to you or anyone to catch onto the

570
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.559
show or are you just saying fuck it, I'm just

571
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:36.240
I'm just gonna talk.

572
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.640
If I'm being completely out, No, I'm still surprised people

573
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.680
listen and that's you know, I maybe it's you know,

574
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.039
some underlying, you know, personal issues where I just I

575
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.000
but I still am like kind of surprised. What I'll

576
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.119
be just bullshitting with one of my online friends and

577
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.759
and uh, they'll just oh, yeah, you know when you

578
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.480
said this the other day, I'm like, oh, yeah, I

579
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:02.200
forgot we met because you said you listened to my podcast.

580
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.640
I forgot about that. And I've definitely made some some

581
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.160
for you know, people I've never actually met in the

582
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.279
real world. I've made some pretty good friends because of

583
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.799
the show, just again and with the whole COVID thing,

584
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.480
and like a lot of people decided to start podcasts

585
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.079
because they didn't have anything else going on and they

586
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.160
didn't have any way to talk to their friends.

587
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.319
So yeah, I feel I feel like a lot of

588
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.000
people who've been doing it as long as we have,

589
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:29.720
well you've been doing little longer than I have, for sure,

590
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.799
but that we all, we all kind of started based

591
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.599
out of that frustration during that that pandemic time, right,

592
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.240
and it was like, well, you know what, I realized

593
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:42.119
I do have an opinion, and and I felt like,

594
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:42.480
to me.

595
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.359
I don't know if you felt this way because Uh.

596
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.559
I felt like, look, I'm hearing this jackass talk all

597
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.359
this crap and get in offering his opinion, and I'm

598
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.559
and I'm thinking, if this guy is famous in doing this,

599
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:55.880
why can't I just offer my two cents on on

600
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:56.920
the subject?

601
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:58.480
You know, why not? Why not me?

602
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.319
And and that's why I started doing I was like,

603
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.079
you know, I got some stuff to say too. And

604
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.640
I always felt like a lot of people, you know,

605
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.680
like the talking heads that are in my space, like

606
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:08.119
you're kind of in the same thing you do, like

607
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.759
the news and politics thing a lot like news commentary politics.

608
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.559
I don't think that's your entire show. I know you

609
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.079
talk about other things. But yeah, it really wasn't that's

610
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.079
that wasn't the original intention. Yeah, it seems to be

611
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.839
what's at the forefront of my ire every time I

612
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.799
sit down in front of gravitated that way. Yeah, it

613
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:28.960
just it was a natural progression kind of thing.

614
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:30.759
But I found a lot of these talking heads were

615
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.240
just really to me, living on the surface, man, you know,

616
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.759
there's just very surface level, not really getting deep about

617
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.599
anything and just feeding their pocket. But like I just

618
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:43.119
felt they're saying things because they know it's getting a

619
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.759
certain reaction, that certain reaction is feeding their bank account.

620
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.720
And yeah, and I wanted to go deeper.

621
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.640
And then when I heard you, it's it's like you

622
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.519
you seem very similar, except you know, you're not afraid

623
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.319
to go that's bullshit.

624
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:57.440
No, this is what it is. This is exactly how

625
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.480
it is. And I heard I heard your show a

626
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.559
few times to where you even you even mentioned like

627
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.400
at one time, not to get to polarizing or you know,

628
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.440
a raw, raw team whatever, but you lean more democrat

629
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.079
and now you're kind of I mean, I think you're

630
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.319
more center, but you're you're just not afraid to call

631
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.759
people out on their ship and sometimes you lean a

632
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.119
little more right. But you know, how do you feel

633
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.559
about this whole right versus left bullshit? To be honest,

634
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.759
I think it's fucking retarded. Yeah, to be completely honest,

635
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.759
and yes, I still say fucking retarded. But they bring

636
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:33.240
retard back. Yeah, exactly, we're taking it back. That's right,

637
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.799
because I mean, you know it's it's it's like the

638
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.480
meme says, retard is not what you say to people

639
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.640
with legitimate medical conditions and handicaps. Retard is what you

640
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.559
say to your friends when they're being fucking retarded. Yeah, yeah,

641
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.799
it's it's just the way it is. But you're you're

642
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.039
I mean, I'm gonna say you're right. I am definitely

643
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.799
more centrist and and honestly I always have been. It's

644
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.920
just in my younger days I was more left leaning

645
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.279
central based on the standards of the time. My most

646
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.519
of most of my core philosophical beliefs have not changed much.

647
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.319
I mean, you have to change a little bit, because

648
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.519
if you're not changing and growing, you're dead. Whether you're

649
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.680
whether you're actually in the ground or not, you know,

650
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.240
you're not You're not living if you're not evolving. No,

651
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.400
I agree with that. So, yeah, some of my stances

652
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.440
and beliefs have changed. But like I've always I'm a

653
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.839
gun guy. I've always been a gun guy, even when

654
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:31.279
I was considered more liberal, because I don't care if

655
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:36.720
you're gay, straights, by Polly, any of that ship. I

656
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.200
don't care. It never bothered me. I've got gay friends.

657
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:44.559
I have I have. I have a friend who I

658
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:48.119
just referred to as a massive horror because he, by

659
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.400
his definition, he's polyamorous. I'm like, dude, you'll fuck anything

660
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:54.960
that holds still long enough. That's not pomorous, that's non discerning.

661
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.119
You're just overly horny, exactly. I'm like, you're you're horny.

662
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.279
You're not you're you're You're not some you know, unique

663
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.319
snowflake of a fucking character. You're just really hornied up.

664
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.519
And you know, and and he's still my friend. I'm not.

665
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.199
You know, it's not a matter of judgment, like you're

666
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.400
a bad person because you like humpin'. No. I mean,

667
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.199
I get it. I questioned some of his choices, like,

668
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.280
you know, just to have a little self respect, Like

669
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.880
really that's ill. But I mean, if he's happy and

670
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.360
his whatever he's hopping on is happy, you know, I

671
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.119
don't care. It doesn't impact me. He's not touching my junks,

672
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:35.199
So I don't care. Right. That used to be considered

673
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.480
a very liberal stance, like, oh my god, you're not

674
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.199
gonna judge that guy for liking another guy. I don't know.

675
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.039
They make each other happy, and they're both adults, who

676
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:44.679
freaking cares? You know what?

677
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.280
Isn't it crazy how that became something that was akin

678
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.000
to politics, when in fact, it's really like our generation.

679
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:51.920
I think, like you're on you're a Gen X retailing,

680
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:56.039
a gen X. Yeah, when we grew up, that's literally

681
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.000
just what our generation thoughts, like who cares? And and

682
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.719
and I get so I get. I'm so tired of

683
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.320
waking up looking at posts on X around the news.

684
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.639
It's a little different now that Trump got elected, but

685
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:11.159
it's still there to where this this whole sexual preference

686
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:17.199
slash identification warfare bullshit. It's like everybody thinks that people

687
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.199
like you and I like today, they're considering us maga

688
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.079
hard right, right, people.

689
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.079
I must be I must be maga because that's our

690
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:27.760
label now, right, And they think people like us are

691
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.320
waking up every day going fuck that gay guy?

692
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.840
Who am I going to mess with today? Who am

693
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.199
I gonna go yell at today? And in reality is

694
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.760
like I people just don't realize that we don't care.

695
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:42.000
We just don't care. If that's your preference in your life, great, yes,

696
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:43.639
I mean it makes you happy, man, just don't push

697
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:44.039
it on me.

698
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:48.519
It's finactly you do you and I mean, but it

699
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:50.719
doesn't mean we can't be friends. Yeah, it doesn't mean

700
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:52.440
we can't be friends, except for the problem is you

701
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.719
don't want to be my friend because I don't care

702
00:35:56.679 --> 00:36:00.480
and you equate me not giving a shit with me

703
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.920
somehow judging you and not validating you, and say, if

704
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:06.920
if you I can get a little soapboxy here for

705
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.920
a second. Because I was actually just thinking about this

706
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.519
the other day again because the post I saw on

707
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:13.199
X and it was one of those things where I

708
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.079
read it and I started to type out a reply,

709
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:19.719
and I realized, even though I, yes, I'm one of

710
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.400
those people, I pay for X because I believe not

711
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.000
even necessarily that, I you know, was like, yeah, here,

712
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.480
I'm gonna be a big elon fanboy. I did it

713
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.840
because I do believe it's a better platform for free speech.

714
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.559
It's not perfect, none of them are. There are biases,

715
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.400
there are still you know, algorithms. You can definitely create

716
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.599
a neck with chamber if you're not careful. Oh yeah.

717
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.840
But I also wanted the extra character limit. I got

718
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.800
tired of having to do like, here's my post one

719
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.599
of question mark and having to go on and on

720
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.079
and on. So I was like, you know what, to me,

721
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:51.760
it's worth the extra eight dollars to not be able

722
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.079
to have to make multiple posts to get my point across.

723
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.360
Not that anybody ever clicks the read more when I

724
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:01.199
type stuff, I guarantee they don't because nobody cares. But

725
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.000
but I started to type up a response to this

726
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.480
post I saw and it was one of those like,

727
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:09.320
you know, a week after Trump was inaugurated and they're,

728
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.519
oh my god, they're gonna take all our rights. They

729
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:15.119
they took away the other identities on our passport form.

730
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:18.960
And I went, you know what, I have a thought

731
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.519
that you're not gonna like let me start, and I

732
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.000
was like, Okay, first off, this person is probably gonna

733
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.519
get nine thousand k poor applies to this, so the

734
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:29.280
odds of anyone that actually needs to read this reading

735
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:33.440
it become infantesmal. And also I was like, this is

736
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.760
a whole lot to do with my thumbs, because this

737
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.039
is I am still of that mindset, and I think

738
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:41.079
this is more of an our generation thing where it's

739
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:43.719
like I'm still sitting there going in the back of

740
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:45.840
my mind, I hear a voice going, nothing worth reading

741
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.480
has ever been written using only your thumbs, And I

742
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.119
know that's no longer true, but I mean I spent

743
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.599
years talking shit about everybody who texted on a regular basis.

744
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:57.679
I'm like, you know what, I have a phone in

745
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.440
my hand. Yeah, you want to tell me something. Take

746
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.599
the three seconds, call me, say here's what I got

747
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.239
to say, and then hang the fuck up. I don't care.

748
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:05.960
We don't have to have a conversation. Just tell me.

749
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.719
I'm not going to sit here. And you know, again

750
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.199
going back to like, you know, when we had just

751
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.559
nine buttons on our phone and yet one, one, one, three, Yeah,

752
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.400
I hated that. I hated that.

753
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.599
Yeah, incursions to what we have now that's considered text

754
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.159
Like the generations aftors have no idea the struggle to

755
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:25.159
be out, quite honest.

756
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.039
They don't understand why we hated texting when it first

757
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.400
came out. Yeah, there was, there was a legitimate reason.

758
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:35.519
My kid brother had a two way pager and to

759
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.079
me that was the dumbest thing on the planet because

760
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.599
the only other people who could use that were other

761
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:42.280
people with two way pagers. Exactly made no sense. This

762
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:48.400
makes no sense, your thumb talking again. Yeah, so so

763
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.800
your post you decided did did you? Did you post

764
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.559
a response? Or you just decided it wasn't worth it

765
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:54.599
because again it just got way too long winded where

766
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.119
I was just like, you know what, I don't feel

767
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:57.719
like typing this whole thing out. But I had a

768
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.000
thought and it's actually very pertinent to what we're talking

769
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.639
about here right now, because, like you said, with our generation,

770
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:08.239
we didn't care. We didn't judge anybody for being orientedly

771
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.400
different or identifying different. We didn't care. I mean, I

772
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.840
have a friend who in nineteen ninety seven was cross

773
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.239
dressing on a regular basis. Good dude, gay as the

774
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:24.199
day is long, liked wearing dresses. I didn't give a shit.

775
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:26.559
I'd see him walking down the street. I didn't oh

776
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.039
my god, that dude's in add I'd be like, what's up, Steve?

777
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:33.199
You know nothing. I don't care. Yeah, who cares? It

778
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:36.119
makes him happy, It doesn't hurt anybody. He's not, you know,

779
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.440
walking around with his junk hanging out. He's not embarrassing anybody.

780
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.760
Who cares. He likes a dress. I don't care. But

781
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:48.559
and to us that was normal, you know that that

782
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:50.960
was and that was a lot of progress from like

783
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:55.559
our parents' generation where and the kids nowadays don't get it.

784
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.639
Grandma and Grandpa were judge as fuck kids. I hate

785
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:03.920
to tell you that, yes, but we were not so much.

786
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.079
It was just like, I don't care. It doesn't impact me,

787
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.199
It doesn't directly affect my life. It doesn't hit my

788
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:13.679
bottom line, I don't care. And at some point, I mean,

789
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:18.280
because that is really realistically, that's acceptance. That's not you know,

790
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:22.559
when you're you're foregoing judgment because it doesn't directly impact

791
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.719
your life. That is pretty much the definition of accepting something.

792
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:30.039
Acceptance stopped being enough, and that's how I started to

793
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.679
lose the narrative. I think our generation didn't care because

794
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.320
we were kind of the generation where the we didn't well,

795
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.840
let's just be honest. Parents weren't that involved.

796
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.480
It was more like, girl, We're like, hey, come back

797
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:49.400
when the sun goes down, right, And it used to yeah, yeah, right,

798
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:50.280
it used to be that way.

799
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.760
And so we had.

800
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.039
To interact and find others to connect with and get

801
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.320
to know people. So I think that's probably where the

802
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.000
attitude came from, because we actually interacted with each other

803
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.559
other and and we realize like, yeah, we're all human,

804
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.639
we're all this, we're all similar, like we're all people

805
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.639
who are just trying to live our best lives exactly.

806
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.159
Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna touch on something about X though,

807
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:20.239
because the thing about X I I've noticed is, all right,

808
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:26.559
everybody everybody is a professional. Everybody's an author, an authoritive

809
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:30.159
figure on every single fucking subject. And I read some

810
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.400
of these things, and and I do a lot of

811
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:33.880
research on my show. I do.

812
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.960
I will do some deep dives. And when I when

813
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:40.440
I see a post, I'm like, that's not right or

814
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.840
exactly right. And and and the thing I hate about

815
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:44.519
X is like, I know I could like you, like

816
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.320
you probably just went through. I know I can respond,

817
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.159
but but this platform is not necessarily the place to

818
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.480
be able to respond and and get your point across,

819
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.119
because there's so much more to it, Like it involves

820
00:41:56.119 --> 00:42:00.559
an actual conversation. And when I've when I've tried engage

821
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.519
people to get into a debate or at least have

822
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.519
an open conversation, their response is I'm gonna block you

823
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.280
and run away, Like then we want to deal with you.

824
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.840
I found out recently when when they changed how the

825
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.280
block fere feature works, I found out there were there

826
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.440
there are several people I've never interacted with ever that

827
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.039
have blocked me. And you know, because I go to

828
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.199
you know, follow a link on a post from somebody

829
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.239
else that made a comment, and then it's like, oh here,

830
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:27.199
let me go check out this person's profile and see

831
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.320
more about them before I either lay into them really harder.

832
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.360
Maybe I'm actually interested in their perspective. This account has

833
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:35.440
blocked you. You cannot interact with their posts. You can

834
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.719
still see their posts. I'm oh, fuck me running okay.

835
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.199
Yeah, crazy person yeah, or or I'm not gonna get

836
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.360
too big in this because honestly, exit there's a lot

837
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.360
of communities I talk about this bs but or you'll

838
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.199
or you'll find out later like it's not outright, but

839
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.119
you can you can tell when you've been muted by

840
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.840
larger accounts. So like, for example, I can put a

841
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:57.920
post that maybe has a couple of hundred I've done

842
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.320
something to have a few thousand responses, and then I

843
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.480
could respond to I'll just I don't even give a

844
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:04.719
shit what they could do to me, like a gun

845
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.239
through Eagleman. For example, when I first responded to them,

846
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.159
I would get some decent traction and then all of

847
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:11.960
a sudden, I don't know what I said. But now

848
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.400
if i'd make a response, I'll get like five five impressions,

849
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:18.320
maybe twenty, and it's like it doesn't make sense. And

850
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.360
basically what I'm trying to get at is people's instant

851
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.599
need for instagratification and affirmation of their thoughts just just

852
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:28.519
to look like the authority or the hero, I think

853
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.840
is a real problem in today's society. Nobody wants to

854
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.159
be challenged, nobody wants to have the conversations, and even

855
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.880
when you prevent present the facts and data, they still

856
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.559
are in disbelief. They're still in disbelief.

857
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:45.360
It doesn't it doesn't fit the the pre drawn conclusion

858
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.880
they've come into the conversation with. So it must be wrong,

859
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.599
or you must be lying, or you must that your

860
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.199
information must be false, or you're just the you know,

861
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.760
insert topic of the like you're the pobe, you're THET,

862
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.119
you're the it, you're the whatever. Use I mean, God

863
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.719
forbid you come to the table with facts and I

864
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.360
agree with your conversation. As a lost art these days,

865
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.519
we've lost the ability to disagree with people without I mean,

866
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.920
people are so tied up in the like these notions

867
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.039
of this is who I am, this defines who I am,

868
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.800
this is what I am, that anyone that holds a

869
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.360
different opinion or a different thought is seen as an

870
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.000
attack as opposed to just somebody that sees things differently

871
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.719
and since people view this as an attack on their personhood,

872
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.719
I feel like they've lost the ability to not even

873
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:38.480
necessarily be objective, but to hear dissenting and discerning opinions,

874
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.800
because again, they're taking it as a personal attack on them. Well,

875
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.599
you don't agree with me, so you must hate me.

876
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.679
It's like, and I don't know how we got to

877
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.440
this point where it's that, because to me, that's an

878
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.320
utterly ridiculous way of looking at life. And that's probably

879
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:56.159
why I'm a lot happier than a lot of younger

880
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.840
people are. Yeah, I've seen tholes, like people in the

881
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.280
like twenty one to twenty seven age bracket are all miserable,

882
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.719
and I'm like, that's because they get butter to buy

883
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.960
the dumbest shit. You know, I agree with you, it's

884
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:14.159
it's you cannot like me or what I say all

885
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.000
you want at the end of the day. Since I'm

886
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.440
not sleeping with you and you don't sign my paychecks,

887
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:24.880
it doesn't matter, right. But yeah, I mean, like I said,

888
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:28.159
that's just why I'm happier than most people in their twenties.

889
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.480
It's not because I'm in my forties and I finally

890
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.880
managed to amass wealth and happiness because I promise you

891
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.320
I haven't the other thing. I picked an industry where

892
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.559
it's really hard. I mean, you can do okay, you

893
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.679
can be comfortable, but it's really hard to get to

894
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.440
that point where you're like, yeah, I'm good now.

895
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.119
And it's hard work unless you're like unless you become

896
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:48.920
like one of these rock star chefs who happen to

897
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.920
break out, you know, and get all the all the glory.

898
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:54.719
And thing that comes back. A few of those guys. Yeah,

899
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.360
oh oh, I have some stories really well. I mean

900
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.679
a couple of them. I actually I could probably get

901
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.840
sued if I brought them up. Of course, you work

902
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:08.719
with them that you make you guys sign NDAs and

903
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.199
all that. Oh yeah, I've I actually, most of most

904
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.760
of the like like name chefs I've met have actually

905
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.119
been pretty cool guys when you get them outside of

906
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:24.199
like outside of that like public persona. That's good. I've

907
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.760
run into I've I've interacted with some of these guys

908
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.039
just through you know, big events things like that. It's

909
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.119
never been like a like, hey, I'm Aaron and you're

910
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:33.679
here to work with me and it's gonna be cool.

911
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.039
It's more like, oh no, you're here as this celebrity

912
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:40.440
face and I'm just a grunt. But how you treat

913
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:42.000
me is going to tell me all I need to

914
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.960
know about what kind of absolutely man.

915
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:48.039
It's I've always appreciated any famous person who never forgot

916
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:51.159
their roots and they can connect with you. Oh yeah, okay,

917
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:52.960
so I got I got a couple of stories then,

918
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:58.159
because I'll name these people. So I remember when I

919
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:02.719
did so we provided production for the Misfits one year

920
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:07.440
and Jerry only and I remember that guy's through that

921
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.599
bass stack was ridiculous, but didn't have to put it

922
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.079
in the PA. I'm not gonna lie, and so fast

923
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.440
forward this is what happened. So this was like I'm

924
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.599
gonna say, maybe a year and a half, I meet

925
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.599
this guy. I'm just a production guy, like they see

926
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:22.519
these they see me all the time, guys like me

927
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.039
right here, today, gone, tomorrow, whatever, move on to the

928
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.800
next show. And so I'm working with him and somehow,

929
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.599
I do not know how, but he remembered me. So

930
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.320
I go to you ever heard of Nam?

931
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.719
Yeah? Okay, so Nam over in Anaheim's like the big

932
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:41.920
musical instrument conference show all the manufacturers. So I go

933
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:45.840
there and I'm walking and I got my passes and

934
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:47.480
my dad's with me. He's a musician, so he was.

935
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.360
He was with me, and we're walking and checking stuff out,

936
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.079
and all of a sudden, I just hear someone yelling

937
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:52.519
my name. I'm like, who the hell knows I'm here.

938
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.719
I'm looking around and it's Jerry. Only he was out

939
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:59.480
of booth and he saw me, and hey, I'm like,

940
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.119
how does this guy even fucking remember me? And then

941
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:04.519
I go over and he goes, come here, and he

942
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:06.559
kept waving over. I'm like, I'm like, hey, how you

943
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.559
doing man? He goes, he goes Modesto because I live

944
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.920
in Modesto, California. Go I go yeah, and he goes.

945
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:12.920
I go, how do you remember that?

946
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.119
He goes get over here and he kicks these guys

947
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:16.440
out that he was talking to and he puts his

948
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.480
arm around me. He takes this picture. I'm like, holy shit,

949
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.000
that was That was really cool man. And there's some

950
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.599
guys are like that. Another guy was like that was

951
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:25.559
Ronnie James Dio, same thing.

952
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.320
I think I've actually heard that before that he was.

953
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:29.519
He was a really cool guy.

954
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.320
One interaction vague interaction, by the way, not like I

955
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.119
got close in person with the guy, but somehow remember

956
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.400
my face and was kind of like the same same way,

957
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.280
and uh, there was a few other other guys like that,

958
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.360
So that totally changed my perception of some of these guys.

959
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:45.920
But there are the ones that are complete assholes, man,

960
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.239
and and they just they just they let the fame

961
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.679
get to their head. Uh. But it's good to hear

962
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.480
that you had that experience with some of these chefs

963
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:55.159
to where they're like offline, they're like, yeah, you know,

964
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:56.480
I get it.

965
00:48:56.599 --> 00:49:00.000
You know, they were just regular. But it's like in Chicago,

966
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.559
go every year they got the National Restaurant Show, National

967
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.679
Restaurant Association as this big show fills up the convention center.

968
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:12.239
It's like four days and it's I haven't been to

969
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.840
it in several years just because I whether it was

970
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.960
like I couldn't get the time off work or just

971
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.039
like the past is kept getting more and more expensive

972
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:21.239
and it was like, if work's not going to pay

973
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.920
for this, I'm not freaking going. Because it's it's an

974
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:28.000
industry show. It's you know, new products, new companies, existing products,

975
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.920
existing companies, food vendors bringing out you know new but

976
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:36.920
for for your industry and it and so it's and

977
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.159
it's a big thing. And like back in the early

978
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.239
to mid two thousands, it was an entirely different creature.

979
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.800
It started changing just because of society shifts and stuff

980
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.400
like that. But like in when I was in culinary

981
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.159
school and a young man, I it was like every

982
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.199
single booth had some sort of liquor at it. I mean,

983
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.639
it was really leaning into that side of the service industry.

984
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.239
It was. I mean, there were there there were lectures,

985
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:03.280
there were there were conferences, there were breakout sessions, teaching sessions.

986
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:08.559
There competitions, ice ice carving competition, stuff like that. The

987
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.639
ice carving team from my culinary school was there competing

988
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:14.760
one year. And I and like, my school had a

989
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.480
booth there, and I worked the booth one year just

990
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:20.719
so I could go to the show for free. And

991
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.519
then I hung out of the booth for like forty

992
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.400
five minutes and then I spent like three hours walking

993
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.559
around the show doing shots at every booth. So and yeah,

994
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.519
good times, you know. And I had a driver that

995
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:32.960
day because one of the one of the one of

996
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.920
the instructors, drove the bus from the school to the

997
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.280
to the to the conference centers. So so we you know,

998
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.360
I was like, yeah, I don't have to be I

999
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.239
don't have to behave I'm as long as I'm not

1000
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:47.719
falling down. I'm straight and right, and you know, it

1001
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:49.199
was a good time. Like there'd be you know, like

1002
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.800
pan manufacturers, knife manufacturers, and I got I got a

1003
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.840
nine dollars set of chef's knives for like one hundred

1004
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.320
and seventy five bucks because I went on the last

1005
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.840
day at the convention and just offered the offered guy

1006
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.320
money for the display and just I'm like, look, I

1007
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:06.039
know what you're doing. You're gonna sell all this ship

1008
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:07.199
so you don't have to pack it up.

1009
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.599
Yes, Like that's exactly what happens at these trade shows.

1010
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.599
Yeah. So that's why I love the trade shows because

1011
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.079
I would always go on the last day of the

1012
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.679
show and just clean house. I would I would leave

1013
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.039
with like the bed of my pickup truck full of shit,

1014
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.159
and I'd be out like, you know, maybe a couple

1015
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.159
hundred bucks, but I'd be walking out with display pieces

1016
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:32.360
of you know, like kitchen gadgets and like cases of

1017
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.880
like sample products and packages of individually and individually packed

1018
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.760
fruit snacks that it's a new flavor of fruit snack

1019
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:42.280
we're gonna be bringing to market. I've got six hundred

1020
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:43.760
of these in the back of my truck on the

1021
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.599
last day of the show, so some poor bastard didn't

1022
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:47.960
have to load them up. Did you.

1023
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.679
Did you ever see any celebrity personalities go to some

1024
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.000
of these vendors and just kind of.

1025
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:59.360
Like, guess free it would? They would show up like like,

1026
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:03.440
I'm here endorsing this, You're on a fucking show on

1027
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.920
the w B. Why are you here at a food show?

1028
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.519
You know what, I don't care. How you doing? Nice

1029
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.800
to meet you, you know, I and I've and I've

1030
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.840
done that multiple times because again just and party. Part

1031
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.960
of it's just me being me. But I don't get

1032
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.360
starstruck very often. There's a couple I've met a couple

1033
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.920
of people where I'm just like, holy shit, this is awesome.

1034
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.920
You know. For the most part, I'm just like, dude,

1035
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:28.199
you you take a crap first thing in the morning,

1036
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:33.239
just like all of us. I'm exactly, everybody poops exactly,

1037
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.760
so you know, I just hey, how you doing. And honestly,

1038
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.599
I've probably gotten a lot better reaction out of most

1039
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:43.880
of the people I've interacted with that are celebrities because

1040
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.079
I don't treat them like I don't. I'm not here

1041
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.280
to kiss your ass. Hey, how you doing. You're You're

1042
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:50.519
a human being, just like me. I'm not gonna I'm

1043
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.079
gonna tell you you're special. I'm gonna treat you equivalent to

1044
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:55.239
how you treat me. I agree.

1045
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.679
I found that when you just treat treat people equally

1046
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.440
like people, they I think they appreciate that because it

1047
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:04.320
was on full disclosure. I had a I had a

1048
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.239
sales rep company for many years now in the musical

1049
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.719
instrument professional AV industry. So I was a rep. I

1050
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.199
had a rep company, and for many years I had

1051
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.199
to go to NAM. I haven't been there since two

1052
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:20.119
thousand and seven, thank god. But I was a Pevy rep.

1053
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:21.360
I was an Orange Jam rep.

1054
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:21.760
I was.

1055
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.480
I mean, I had so many lines that we represented,

1056
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.480
and I remember that I got to know some people,

1057
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.559
got their cell phone numbers. We stayed connected and they

1058
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:36.320
were just down to earth man, really cool. But I

1059
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:37.840
got a funny story. The reason I asked you about

1060
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:41.800
the vendor thing is because I remember at NAM because

1061
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.880
you're talking about you know, hey, at the last day

1062
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:45.559
of show, everybody just they don't want take their ship home, right,

1063
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:46.400
they don't want to pack it up.

1064
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.559
Yeah, say for shipping. So I went.

1065
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.000
To, uh this booth. I don't even if you're still

1066
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.039
around their factory. Metals they made like these. They're kind

1067
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.440
of like symbols, more like sound effect stuff made out

1068
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.159
of metal that you would you would hit with your stick.

1069
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:00.719
And I was at the booth and the guy was

1070
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:03.400
talking to me, and he was gonna give me a

1071
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.119
couple of things for free, and I had to buy

1072
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.599
a few things. We just hit it off, and then

1073
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.880
all of a sudden, he says, great, I never forgot this.

1074
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.840
Carmine Apiece or Carmen Apassy, however you say his name,

1075
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:15.039
do you know who he is? So he's uh, he

1076
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.159
was a drummer for Blue Oyster Colt for a while.

1077
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.599
He played with Ozzy Osbourne on that parkt Foon album

1078
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.840
and all that. And his brother's Vini Appssi, who played

1079
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.880
for Sabbath and Dio. And so Carmen Apiece comes over

1080
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:29.440
right next to me and I'm talking to the owner

1081
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.480
of this company, and Carmine just stands there with his

1082
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.280
aunt garage. He's like chewing his gum and he's looking

1083
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.800
at these things, he's picking it up, and he's he's

1084
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.840
pulling the whole I'm a rock star persona. And the

1085
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:42.920
owner keeps looking at him and and he looks at

1086
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:44.960
his staff behind him like, hey, go talk to him.

1087
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:47.360
And the whole time they're trying to talk to him

1088
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:48.960
and give him the pitch, he's just he's just like

1089
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:49.800
tapping it.

1090
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:55.360
He's all looking around. And then he started asking them like, well,

1091
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:57.599
you know what would uh so, how well, so what

1092
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.559
would it take to for me to get a set

1093
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.280
of these like whatever? And they start pitching price to him,

1094
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.760
right and check this out. He looks at me, he

1095
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:07.199
looks at.

1096
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:09.679
You on your turns yes, sunglass, He grabs the he

1097
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.199
grabs his bridge of his glasses, pulls them down and

1098
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.000
just looks down at the guy and just stands there.

1099
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:16.920
And the owner looks at me. He looks at a

1100
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.039
carmine a piece and he just goes, just take what

1101
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:25.320
you want. I was like, what the fuck? He just

1102
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:27.159
pulled that on that move on of it. He's just

1103
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.960
like the older caves, like what are here? Whatever we have,

1104
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.400
just just go and take it, just take it. Yeah,

1105
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.760
I've actually seen stuff kind of like that with maybe

1106
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.880
some of the smaller companies at the restaurant shows. But

1107
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:41.519
the thing about the restaurant show is you gotta figure

1108
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:46.599
you're getting like these big national producers who also have

1109
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.440
like industry lock you know. I mean, you're not going

1110
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:54.679
to the McCain's food booth and impressing them into giving

1111
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:56.760
you some free shit just because because of your name.

1112
00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:01.559
Because literally ninety percent of the like potato products in

1113
00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:05.119
the country are coming from this factory. So it's yeah,

1114
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.599
it looks a little harder to get those guys, you know,

1115
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.480
because they already have contracts with their celebrity endorsements. They

1116
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:12.519
don't You're not just a company like, hey, look how

1117
00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.039
important I am give me free shits?

1118
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:15.360
Oh I saw it all the time at them. It

1119
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.440
didn't even matter who you were. I mean, when you're

1120
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.480
a rockstar, rock star, it was it was just it was.

1121
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.119
That's also a little different.

1122
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:25.480
That's more practical because you know, no, no celebrity chef

1123
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:26.920
is coming in and walking out with like a two

1124
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:29.320
thousand pound mixer on a fricking dolly at the show.

1125
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:33.400
There's not a lot of stuff you can conveniently, you know,

1126
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:35.320
because that that's where the real money in that stuff

1127
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:40.320
is at those shows is equipment. It's absolutely it's not it.

1128
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:42.239
I mean all the other products and pitches and all

1129
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.320
that other stuff, and you get little you know, like

1130
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.360
there was you know, people that make you know, glow

1131
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.039
in the dark, ice filled shotglasses, and you know, I

1132
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.519
mean all all kinds of random crap. But you know,

1133
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:55.719
at the end of the day, the ovens, the I mean, yes,

1134
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:59.880
the small wars are nice, but it's like, like I said,

1135
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:01.559
I got I got a thousand dollars set of knife

1136
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:05.679
for a couple hundred bucks and and it you know, yeah,

1137
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.920
maybe they would have given him away to some celebrity

1138
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.159
chef for free, but at the end of the day,

1139
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:13.880
that guy doesn't need it. He's got a knife contract

1140
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:17.400
and he gets all the free shit he wants, all rights. Yeah, well,

1141
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.679
it's it's just crazy, I mean it kind of.

1142
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:23.400
Also, it also hits on kind like I've heard you

1143
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.840
talk about this on your show, how society values, like

1144
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:28.960
how they value certain individuals, you.

1145
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:33.800
Know, for just just for existence. Yeah, exactly, I'm not

1146
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.159
a fan of that either. Isn't that crazy actually goes

1147
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.800
to one of those negative influenced type situations. Where I

1148
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.880
did run have a slight run in with a celebrity

1149
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:47.360
chef who, like I said, for for for for the

1150
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:51.519
sake of not naming names, because uh yeah, you don't

1151
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.800
have to. Well no, I'm just like it's one of

1152
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.840
those things. It's like it makes me sound like I'm

1153
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.840
being kind of petty, because it's like, dude, who the

1154
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.400
fuck are you to cop this attitude with this guy?

1155
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:08.320
But the thing is, I'm me and I would have

1156
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.119
copped the same attitude for the circumstances at hand with

1157
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:14.079
any other person. And I'm not gonna I'm not this

1158
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:18.920
guy doesn't get a pass for being famous and and objectively,

1159
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.639
I don't like to tell the story and say who

1160
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.719
it was because he might have just been having a

1161
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:26.320
bad fucking day, you know, because it was It wasn't

1162
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.840
like an arrogance, pompous like do you know who I am?

1163
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:31.880
Kind of situation. It was just kind of being a

1164
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:37.000
prick and under the circumstances it was, we were working

1165
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.360
a a like it was a it was a concert

1166
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:46.840
slash cookout slash Guinness record attempt of breaking a world

1167
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:50.559
record for the world's biggest barbecue. Right, wow, Yeah, it

1168
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:53.639
was at the Stadium where the Bears play in Chicago,

1169
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:56.440
and like the literally the entire infield was all these

1170
00:58:56.480 --> 00:59:00.239
separate barbecue companies, all cooking at the same time, all

1171
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:03.559
making you know, different flavors of barbecue. And so there

1172
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:07.960
was literally hundreds of restaurants there with portable barbecue stations.

1173
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:09.679
And I was working at one of the barbecue stations

1174
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.320
and a certain celebrity chef I was running to go

1175
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.320
get some stuff from another Like the guy I was

1176
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.719
coordinating with who owned the place ran out of like buns,

1177
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.440
and he worked something out with another guy down like

1178
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:29.280
halfway down the fricking stadium, and he was like, you know,

1179
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.880
I take him these four gallons of sauce and he

1180
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.360
could bring back, you know, five flats of buns from him.

1181
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.960
And so I'm running through the freaking stadium with you know,

1182
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:43.119
four gallons of fucking barbecue sauce, which is it's not light,

1183
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.920
I mean like a where it was like a five

1184
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:49.199
gallon pail of barbecue sauce, which is like, I don't know,

1185
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.800
fifty some pounds. So I'm running with this pail and

1186
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:56.119
I happened to run into this guy and I didn't

1187
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:57.800
even actually run into him. It was like one of

1188
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:01.679
those close calls. We're like, oh Jesus, and I'm watch

1189
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:06.039
where the fuck you're going? Man, I was like, excuse

1190
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.920
the fuck out of me. I'm like, maybe if you

1191
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.639
weren't walking backwards, you wouldn't have run. I wouldn't have

1192
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.480
had to fucking veer to get away from you. Well, dude,

1193
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.119
you should be watching where you're going. You shouldn't run

1194
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:17.960
through these people. That's a fucking crowd of people. And

1195
01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:23.119
I'm like, like, look, I know who you are. That's

1196
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:25.800
not gonna temper my opinion of this at all. Maybe

1197
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:30.079
you should watch where the fuck you're walking whatever, dude,

1198
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:31.559
I don't even need to hear this shit from some

1199
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.039
punk kid. And I'm like, all right, you you take

1200
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.039
that attitude and you run with it, and you know,

1201
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:40.079
I'm It's not like I'm gonna be like, dude, I

1202
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:44.519
don't watch your cooking show anyway, because you don't fucking care, right,

1203
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:46.440
You get the same check from the Food Channel whether

1204
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.239
I tune in or not. So hmmm, I think I

1205
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:53.159
know who you're talking about. I got a good idea.

1206
01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:56.679
But yeah, so And that was But on the other hand,

1207
01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:58.840
like I said, I've met some I've met some chefs

1208
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.480
that are really cool. Well, like I met some names

1209
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:05.280
like you know, like Paul Prudome was like, you know, big,

1210
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.320
big time, well known chef, had one of the original

1211
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:12.840
cooking shows on TV. You know, just the nicest fricking

1212
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.920
guy you'd ever want to meet, just really, I mean

1213
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:17.719
I met him a couple of years before he passed.

1214
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:21.519
Just down to earth. Fantastic guy. I and I met

1215
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:23.320
him at the Food Show and you know, he was

1216
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.599
there and he was working a booth and signing, signing

1217
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:28.639
his cookbooks and stuff. And that's not where I met him.

1218
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:30.880
I met him like he was coming back from the bathroom,

1219
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.559
going back to his booth, and I just ran into him.

1220
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:35.599
And he was in one of those little mobility scooters

1221
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:37.280
because he wasn't getting around real good at the end

1222
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.159
of his life. And and I was just like, oh, hey, chef,

1223
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:41.199
I don't want to bother you, I don't want to

1224
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:42.639
keep you. I just want to say, you know, I've

1225
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:45.519
got all your cookbooks. Love. I watched your soul growing

1226
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:48.159
up when I was a kid. I you know you're fantastic.

1227
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:50.119
Thank you. I love I love what you do. And

1228
01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.320
I wound up talking to this guy for like forty

1229
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.400
minutes before he went back to his booth, and I

1230
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:59.559
was just like, what a nice guy, very cool. But

1231
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:01.880
I mean, the funny thing is most of my actual

1232
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:05.440
real horror stories are interactions with like celebrities from like

1233
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:10.679
not in the industry, you know, for every because meeting

1234
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:13.119
guys that are in my industry. But we all kind of,

1235
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.360
with a few exceptions, we're all cut from the same

1236
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:19.039
cloth in a lot of ways. You know, we've all

1237
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.000
got a certain degree of respect for anybody that's been

1238
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.719
in the trenches. You know. Who My my worst interactions

1239
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:28.599
were with was not necessarily celebrities, because with a certain

1240
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:31.960
celebrity you kind of expect, you know, that kind of treatment.

1241
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:36.480
So I've learned to like whatever. The worst ones for me.

1242
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:41.400
Were the the CEOs of the large corporations because you know,

1243
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:44.239
when we do the events, yeah, and they think they're

1244
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:47.360
just like the ungodly do whatever the fuck I want

1245
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:51.400
rock stars, And it's just like, Okay, when I'm getting yeah,

1246
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:55.199
why do I say this? This isn't who the company is,

1247
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.440
but let's just I'm just gonna say, let's just say

1248
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:01.480
Samsung for example, just because it's big name people know,

1249
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:03.800
not saying this was what actually happened, by the way,

1250
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:07.159
but let's just say, like CEO for Samsung, like, who

1251
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.079
the fuck is this this guy? Shit, he'll trying to

1252
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:10.559
put a mic on me, this fucking guy, he's a

1253
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:12.480
piece of ship, Like I didn't you talk to you?

1254
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:15.320
Like waves you away and then calls their assistant and

1255
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.400
I'm not it wasn't Samson whether I'm just using that name.

1256
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:20.280
So so just to give people an idea of like, Okay,

1257
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.679
you're dealing with these large corporations. The CEOs think that

1258
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:25.880
they're you know, they're gods because everybody bows down before

1259
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:27.840
them at the company. But it's like, bro, outside of that,

1260
01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:30.679
you're nothing. I hate to tell you that, but like

1261
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:32.639
you're not exactly.

1262
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.239
I mean, you're you're not a world builder, You're not

1263
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.559
you're yeah, you're not a rock star, you're you're a

1264
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:39.239
suit But.

1265
01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.519
Yeah, that's been my my my more negative interactions has

1266
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.559
been from those types of people than you know, actual

1267
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:47.280
musicians or worked.

1268
01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:51.000
I worked in downtown Chicago as at a private club

1269
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:54.880
for several years and it was it was it was

1270
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:59.280
two sets of people. It was old money and and

1271
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:01.559
like you know, like the Dailies had memberships there. You know,

1272
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:03.920
I mean everybody knows Richard Daly and Mayor Daily, and

1273
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:07.000
I mean that's even people know that are not from

1274
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:10.320
the Midwest, I find are familiar with that particular name

1275
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:15.400
because the but I digress. But then we had there

1276
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.079
was so there were the old money guys, and then

1277
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:19.400
there were like day traders because we were right in

1278
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:22.000
the heart of the financial district and a lot of

1279
01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:24.320
our a lot of our members were stock market guys.

1280
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.880
And and we had two degrees of stock market guys.

1281
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.679
He had the guys that had like literal fuck you money,

1282
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:33.079
and then we had the guys that were like coked

1283
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:35.159
out and scraping to get by and wanted to feel

1284
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.000
more important than they were because they were paying, you know,

1285
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:40.679
twelve hundred dollars a month to belong to this club. Yeah. Yeah,

1286
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:43.519
those guys like they and none of them were bossed here.

1287
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.119
None of them were you know, oh, I run the

1288
01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:48.320
trading house. I own the trading house. No, they were

1289
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:52.440
just floor guys. Some of the most arrogant pricks I

1290
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:55.639
ever had to deal with. I had one guy literally

1291
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:57.280
the only time he ever came into the dining room

1292
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:00.360
at the club was on days where there were member

1293
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:03.440
events and everything was free, so I was and he

1294
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.039
would come in and then he would talk shit about

1295
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.280
the food. He would make three or four trips through

1296
01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:09.440
the through the buffet line or whatever the case was,

1297
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.159
or order you know, four or five plates of whatever

1298
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.679
was on special that day that was the free member item,

1299
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:17.159
and then talk shit the entire time. He was stuff

1300
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:19.039
in his face. Oh the chef, here's a piece of shit.

1301
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:20.920
The food, here's crap. I'm like, well, you don't have

1302
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:23.800
a problem shoveling down your gullet all fucking day. Yeah, right.

1303
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:27.679
And at one point he got he because he was

1304
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:32.000
extremely fucking drunk, and one of the other members was

1305
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:33.840
also very drunk, and the other member kept saying, I

1306
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.239
don't want a drink anymore, and he kept trying to

1307
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:38.920
four drinks on the guy, and the bartender was kind

1308
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:40.199
of like, I don't know what to do. I don't

1309
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:41.719
know what to do. What do I do about this guy?

1310
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:44.079
And I said, you know what, I'm the manager on

1311
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.360
duty right now. He's fucking cut off, he's done. Don't

1312
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:48.960
serve him anymore. And he's like, who do you think

1313
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:51.000
you are? Said, I think I'm the manager on duty.

1314
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:53.440
I think, if you really have a problem with it,

1315
01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:55.760
look up what they call dramshop laws and understand that

1316
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.559
I am doing my legal duty by refusing you any

1317
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:03.440
further service abriated beyond the point of being reasonably accountable

1318
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:07.480
for your actions. And subsequently, if you had any problems

1319
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:09.679
from this, I could find myself liable if we continue

1320
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:12.400
to serve you. And we're not going to. He was like,

1321
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.079
fuck you, you fucking prick. I don't know who you think

1322
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.320
you are, but you're fucking done. You are so done.

1323
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.760
I'm gonna be I'm gonna have your fucking job. And

1324
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:26.639
and I sat there, Okay, get it all out. Yeah,

1325
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.320
come on, tell me, tell me I'm a worthless piece

1326
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.039
of shit, tell me, tell me how much I suck that.

1327
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.039
Tell me tell everybody what a shitty chef I am,

1328
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:36.639
And how how far things have gone downhill since I

1329
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:40.840
took over this place. Go on, come on. And and

1330
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:43.239
I mean the guy hated me to begin with, uh

1331
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:46.079
for other reasons because when he tried acting like he

1332
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.760
had clout, I just you weren't feeding the fire. Just no,

1333
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:53.440
not at all. Like he would do things like occasionally

1334
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.440
he would wind up on TV because he would try

1335
01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:59.039
to get interviews like, oh, no, I know financial stuff.

1336
01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.400
I'm important. And this is when a lot of stuff

1337
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.599
was going on where like trading houses were getting shut

1338
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.320
down and people were losing their jobs and there were

1339
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:10.679
massive layoffs and several of these trading houses because there

1340
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.920
was a big scandal going on and he wasn't one

1341
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:15.159
of the people that was affected by it, but he

1342
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.760
was still trying to Like he got the local news

1343
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:19.679
to come in and he shows up with like a

1344
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:21.400
camera crew and he's like, I need to set up

1345
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:23.559
in the dining room. And I said, did you clear

1346
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:28.480
this with anybody? And well no, But I told them

1347
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:30.280
we're gonna set up here because that's the best background.

1348
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.960
I said. We opened for lunch in twenty five minutes.

1349
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:36.880
The staff is resetting the room right now. You didn't

1350
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.119
arrange this, you didn't talk to anybody about it, and

1351
01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:41.119
you don't have authorization to do it. So you're gonna

1352
01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:42.800
take that camera crew and I'll put you in one

1353
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.599
of the small conference rooms. You're not setting up in

1354
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.639
the dining room. Well, I told them this is where

1355
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.760
I said, I don't fucking care. Yeah, he can't interrupt

1356
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:55.280
your business. Like that, that's stupid inconvenience to other members.

1357
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:01.280
Let's well, look, let's circle back a little bit. Let's

1358
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:04.280
get back into what your show does here. Okay, and

1359
01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:06.800
the Rent and the Raven and I like it. It's great. Well,

1360
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:08.880
as you can see, it's it's just kind of natural

1361
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:10.920
for me. It's it's okay.

1362
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:15.599
So I heard one of your more recent shows you

1363
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.199
talked about how your Democrat and now you let you

1364
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:19.960
lean a little more, right, even though you and I

1365
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:23.279
already established we're not really we're just this is just

1366
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.560
gen X. It's just who we are, like who we are, Yeah, exactly.

1367
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:32.479
So that being said, how do you feel about the

1368
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:33.640
administration now?

1369
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:34.199
Trump?

1370
01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:37.239
I mean, I know I voted for him. Did you

1371
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.439
I think you did? Which I did vote for him?

1372
01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:42.039
I actually are you getting what you what you thought

1373
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:43.039
he would he would do?

1374
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.279
Like? Is he coming through in his promises? You think?

1375
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.239
I think he's delivering a lot more than than, uh

1376
01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:53.199
than I expected. He's definitely trying to stick to what

1377
01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:54.520
he said he was going to do. I mean, he's

1378
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:55.720
getting fought tooth and nail.

1379
01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:59.199
Big contrast from like twenty sixteen, right from his first

1380
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:01.600
term hunt it was like he was trying to figure

1381
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:04.000
it out and then he was just led the wrong.

1382
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:07.399
Qua He's he he didn't get where he is in

1383
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:11.720
the world by not learning, and he made a lot

1384
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.359
of mistakes on that first run through. And I'm not

1385
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:18.319
gonna lie. I talked shit pretty much consistently from twenty sixteen,

1386
01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:22.000
well actually from twenty fifteen before the election was over,

1387
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.600
like from the announcement of like, these are the candidates

1388
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:31.560
and I and I've never ever, for a single second

1389
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.720
been a fan of Hillary Clinton. Nope, not at all.

1390
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:39.199
And you know, so there was like literally no way

1391
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.039
and fuck I was going to be voting for her.

1392
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:43.680
But at the same time I was looking at Donald

1393
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:47.760
Trump as the guy from The Apprentice. I think everybody

1394
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.760
was back here, yeah, I like. And when the election

1395
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:53.319
was called and they declared him the winner, I put

1396
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:55.880
a post on Facebook that said, I have a lot

1397
01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:57.680
of thoughts and feelings on the matter. I'm not going

1398
01:09:57.760 --> 01:09:59.600
to get too deeply into it. But we ran an

1399
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.840
unlike likable, unelectable candidate, and we ran a guy from

1400
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.119
reality TV, and frankly, this country got what it deserved

1401
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:08.079
for because neither one of them was the right pick.

1402
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:12.199
And I actually I still stand by what I said

1403
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.039
at the time. Now to give the man his credit,

1404
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:17.319
Like I said, I think, and I've been watching him

1405
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:20.439
in the intervening time since his presidency. He did a

1406
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:22.000
lot of things I didn't agree with. He did some

1407
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.039
things I did. I didn't agree with a lot of

1408
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:26.720
his cabinet picks. I didn't agree with a lot of

1409
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.640
the way he handled things. I think. I thought he

1410
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.000
surrounded himself with people that were not going to help

1411
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:36.159
forward the agenda he ran on and and it is

1412
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:39.680
what is. But he learned from his mistakes and he's

1413
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:42.199
been good for that. People want to talk shit like, oh, well,

1414
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:45.039
he's filed bankruptcy this many times, and he said in

1415
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:47.239
an interview, he says, that makes me smart. I'm using

1416
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:50.119
the laws that are on the books to my benefit.

1417
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:53.840
If you don't do that, you're an idiot. And and

1418
01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:57.119
that's kind of I feel like how he's the second

1419
01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:00.199
term is going to go. It's I think it's in

1420
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:01.840
the game to make any calls about it. He's only

1421
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:05.399
been in office for three weeks exactly. Yeah, you know,

1422
01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:08.560
it's too early to say, but I like the indicators.

1423
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:12.239
I voted for him, not because of him I mean,

1424
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:16.479
I'm but more because of the people he brought to him.

1425
01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.119
The people he was bringing to the table appealed to

1426
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:24.119
me a lot more than than just him by himself.

1427
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:28.279
And I do believe in like an America first stance.

1428
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:31.439
We can't take I've said a million times. I think

1429
01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:33.880
at this point we can't take care of the rest

1430
01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:36.119
of the world when we don't handle our own shit first.

1431
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:39.159
And that's that's from a national standpoint, all the way

1432
01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:42.960
down to individuals. You can't help someone else if you're

1433
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:45.800
busy falling on your own fucking face. If you don't

1434
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:47.680
take care of get in your own house in order first,

1435
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.000
you can't help anybody else. I can't.

1436
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.720
I can't understand why people are offended by the sentiment

1437
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:57.600
of America first, or how MAGA became like just what

1438
01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:00.000
MAGA stands were like make America greatigan, how that became

1439
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:01.520
something negative?

1440
01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:05.439
I don't get it either. It's like, why why is

1441
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:09.039
it a bad thing to want to see the country

1442
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.279
you live in, the country that who's well being is

1443
01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:16.479
directly impacting your life be successful? Well? I think why

1444
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:19.159
is it bad to prioritize us?

1445
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:22.560
I think as far as politicians go, I mean, just

1446
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:26.039
just the takedown of what's going on with USAID you

1447
01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:28.479
know itself probably speaks volumes as to why people are

1448
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:31.560
not liking it. The American first sentiment is really about

1449
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:35.439
them first, right, Yeah, I mean, what do you think

1450
01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:35.720
of that?

1451
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:38.479
What do you think of that? Like the I think

1452
01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:41.199
it well that they shut down USA? Now, how are

1453
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:44.039
they going to teach Palestinian goat farmers to use the

1454
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:47.680
right pronouns when they're throwing people off of roofs? Right?

1455
01:12:51.079 --> 01:12:55.479
They're spending literally millions and millions of dollars on programs

1456
01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:58.520
for people who don't want them, to teach them things

1457
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:02.439
they don't give a shit about out or to enforce

1458
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:06.800
values that they don't align with. So we need this

1459
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:10.359
to spread the lgbt q I a message in Tanzania.

1460
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:13.640
So we need to put together a musical with a

1461
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:18.439
puppet with AIDS. I mean, I mean, and if you

1462
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:20.840
look at that, if you if you're not realizing that

1463
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:24.000
that is all just literally just money laundering. Oh yeah, no,

1464
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:26.760
it's it's none of none of it's you know, above board.

1465
01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:30.800
We'll know, he'll know. It's it's crazy that you know,

1466
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.560
it's well and the thing that kills me is it's like,

1467
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:39.159
this is what they chose to launder it as I mean,

1468
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:42.920
color me crazy, but if I'm going to be laundering

1469
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:47.199
money in the tens of millions of dollars, I'm going

1470
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.039
to at least try and make it sound believable. This

1471
01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:54.479
is for tech innovation research on a new form of battery,

1472
01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:57.880
and we need to explore new mineral rights. That sounds

1473
01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:01.199
like something that might cost ten million dollars, well, ten

1474
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:05.319
billion dollars to teach pronouns to people who have a

1475
01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:09.000
gender oriented language. Doesn't make sense.

1476
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:12.760
And before and before this whole doze report, I remember

1477
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.880
a couple of years ago I brought this. I'm I'm

1478
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:18.479
gonna be off with the number, but I believe it

1479
01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:23.399
was the administration. Back then, I was doing some digging

1480
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.199
way before where we are now, that that the government

1481
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:30.439
was going to allot like seven million to Pakistan for

1482
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:31.399
gender studies.

1483
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:37.720
Yes, stuff like that is like wow, it makes no

1484
01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:40.800
sense things like that would come up in the well.

1485
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:44.680
I I actually I stopped digging several years ago because

1486
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.880
I was infuriating myself to like the point where my

1487
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:51.119
blood pressure was getting messed up. Well, our tax dollars

1488
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:53.600
man I'm looking at our tax dollars. And more importantly,

1489
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.800
I'm some schmuck from Illinois. Well, I mean, I'm technicoly

1490
01:14:56.840 --> 01:15:00.159
from Wisconsin. But that's that's a whole other conversation. I

1491
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.119
I've lived here for twenty years. I still don't claim

1492
01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:07.119
this fucking state. But ultimately, you know, I'm some schmuck

1493
01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:09.520
from the Midwest that has a show with tens of listeners,

1494
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.640
and and and a bad attitude. Why am I looking

1495
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:14.680
into these things I can't do anything about I don't

1496
01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.079
have the And again, this may be a defeatist attitude.

1497
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:18.439
This might be part of the problem is that I

1498
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:21.279
think about things this way, where it's like and I

1499
01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:23.600
was looking and I'm like, why are we studying the

1500
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:30.279
effect of cocaine on dolphins? Right? For starter, they probably

1501
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:38.680
appreciate it. And second off, oh no, no, it's mean

1502
01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:41.680
we're giving dolphins blow. They're already probably smarter than us,

1503
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:44.119
because when's the last time you saw a dolphin with

1504
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.640
a checkbook. I mean, they're intelligent creatures and they don't

1505
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:48.319
have bills.

1506
01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:52.319
Yeah, I mean, but my wife tells me the same stuff.

1507
01:15:52.479 --> 01:15:56.640
Sometimes she goes, well, what's the point of everything you do?

1508
01:15:57.239 --> 01:15:59.279
I mean, what do you Sometimes she'll say, what are

1509
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:03.359
you doing about it? I'm like, point take, and I

1510
01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:05.359
get it. Like what am I individually doing about it?

1511
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:06.880
There's only so much I could do as an individual.

1512
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:09.000
I think the reason I do this, and the reason

1513
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:11.439
is important, Like people like you do this because you

1514
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:13.800
never know who is going to receive the message.

1515
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:17.000
You know. That's kind of what I tell myself is

1516
01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:18.600
somebody might.

1517
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:20.960
Hear this, and there's and if enough of us are

1518
01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:26.439
hearing this, this message and and I think at some point, look,

1519
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:29.039
we've already seen it. With the elections, It's obvious people

1520
01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:31.680
were fed up. They knew that everything that was going

1521
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:35.680
on was bullshit. And Trump got the vote. And it wasn't.

1522
01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:37.920
It wasn't it wasn't my small marchin by the way

1523
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:38.319
it was, it was.

1524
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:38.920
It was huge.

1525
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.920
The country wanted a shift and they wanted a change,

1526
01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:47.319
and a lot of that came from not legacy media,

1527
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:50.039
but independent media, right like podcasting all of a sudden

1528
01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:53.239
became even bigger and influencing what was going on with

1529
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:57.199
the election, you know, just because podcasters in general aren't

1530
01:16:57.239 --> 01:16:59.079
afraid to call it how it is, like they just

1531
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.079
they're just gonna say whatever's on my mind.

1532
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:01.640
Most of them.

1533
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:05.199
I mean, we do have some corporately controlled podcasts out there,

1534
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:06.960
but for the most part, it's still kind of the

1535
01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:07.960
wild West.

1536
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:11.239
And a lot of ways that's very true. Plus occasionally

1537
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:14.359
get people like, you know, like me, I'm not monetized.

1538
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.560
I mean in some of the it's kind of funny.

1539
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:19.479
I still every once in a while get like a

1540
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:23.800
little little notice from Spotify, like you have eleven dollars thanks,

1541
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:26.680
because for a while I was running out and I

1542
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.359
was like, okay, you know, but at the same time,

1543
01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:32.560
I was like, this isn't worth it, and it because

1544
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:34.840
I would like listen to my own episodes just to

1545
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:39.000
which is ironic because I hate doing it. I hate

1546
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:42.000
listening to my own episodes, but I wanted to make

1547
01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:44.840
sure they were like uploading right and you know, yeah,

1548
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:47.760
and posting properly. Because there were a few episodes I

1549
01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:51.920
had where it was like, yeah, somebody would DM me

1550
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:55.800
at like because I set them up to new episodes

1551
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:59.560
post at seven am Central time, so I would be

1552
01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:03.079
like the gym getting like before I went to work,

1553
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.079
and I'd get a DM from somebody like bro the

1554
01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:12.600
entire episode static, oh fuck, or you know, the sound

1555
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:13.560
file got corrupted.

1556
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:17.079
Yeah, I've had that happen on Spotify before, and I'd

1557
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.000
just feel like, oh shit, well I can't fix it

1558
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:21.600
until I get home from work tonight.

1559
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:25.520
So sorry. Yeah. So I was like, but so I

1560
01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:28.560
was listening to my own episodes. You know, I just

1561
01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.439
actually started posting them a little earlier so I could

1562
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:32.880
listen to them before I left for the gym. And

1563
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:36.680
I'm like, and I started realizing, like, these random ads

1564
01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:40.119
are just breaking up the flow. It bothers me, and

1565
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:42.359
it's I'm at the payout's not worth it to me.

1566
01:18:42.439 --> 01:18:45.039
So I'm like, eh, so I just I just stopped

1567
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:48.119
running them. But I did run them for like six

1568
01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:51.239
months or whatever, and some for for whatever reason, the

1569
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.760
old episode still get plays. So I mean, I don't

1570
01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:56.359
know if it's like new people finding me and going

1571
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.319
through the back catalog or just randomly somebody's randomly picking

1572
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:01.399
up episodes. But so every once in a while, I

1573
01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:06.840
get that, like, your Spotify balance is eight dollars, You're

1574
01:19:06.880 --> 01:19:09.720
all thanks, thanks a bunch. Well that's the thing is,

1575
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:11.600
like I cashed it out the last time. It got

1576
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:13.720
to be like forty five bucks or something, and I

1577
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:15.800
was like, Okay, cash that out, I'm done running ads

1578
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:18.359
at and then, like I said, every now and then,

1579
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:20.800
like oh hey, guess what, you're back up to seven dollars.

1580
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:23.319
Well, I think it's important you bring this up because

1581
01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:28.640
there's been a shift, like people are trusting independent media

1582
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:32.800
personalities more more and more, whether it's guys like you

1583
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:35.520
and me or you know, people were more established in

1584
01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:41.479
terms of their popularity. Regardless, I always try to support

1585
01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:44.960
the independent community, especially in podcasts, because we're the people

1586
01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:48.520
who give a shit enough to dive a little deeper

1587
01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:51.760
and dig up the shit that most people don't because

1588
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:53.640
they don't want to kick the hornes's nets. We're just like,

1589
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:55.920
we got nothing to lose. We're not beholden to anybody.

1590
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:57.279
We're just gonna come out and say it and present

1591
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:02.520
the information. And and mainstream media can't understand why they're

1592
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:04.720
they're losing the trust of the public. It's because they're

1593
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:07.720
not doing what we're doing. They're not being actual journalists.

1594
01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:09.039
Not that I'm claiming to be one, by the way,

1595
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.399
it's just we're not. We're not We're not afraid to

1596
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:14.600
like say, look what I found. And regardless of what

1597
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.279
you say here's here's the data to back it up.

1598
01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.720
And here's here's the here's the web links, and here's

1599
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:23.239
the books. And if you don't believe me, go ahead

1600
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:26.760
and prove me wrong. Here's here's my sources. Find something better,

1601
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:31.359
find something more absolute. Yeah, and that's one of those

1602
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:35.319
things too. And again you mentioned earlier, whiskey Hell, those

1603
01:20:35.359 --> 01:20:38.680
guys are phenomenal when it comes to, you know, running

1604
01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.560
down things, getting their information, getting their facts together. Fits

1605
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:44.199
and McShane are they like I said, they're got, They're

1606
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:48.479
good dudes, and they're they they're on their due diligence.

1607
01:20:48.520 --> 01:20:51.439
They and if they're if they're wrong about something, they

1608
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:54.319
will retract it. They will admit they were wrong, which

1609
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:58.039
is another thing that like legacy media doesn't do true.

1610
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:01.920
They doubled. And like there's a gal I went to

1611
01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:05.159
high school with and I'm not sure if she's still there,

1612
01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:06.800
but for a while she was an editor at the

1613
01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:14.319
New York Times. Doesn't speak to me for multiple reasons.

1614
01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:17.880
But when I found out what she was doing for

1615
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:21.680
a living through a like just a Facebook group that

1616
01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:23.000
was like a bunch of us that went to high

1617
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.720
school together, and she made some comments in there and

1618
01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:30.560
I was just like, you know what, No, I can't,

1619
01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:32.680
I can't let this slide, and da da da. So

1620
01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:37.199
I just you know, I gave her both barrels and

1621
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:40.399
basically called her out and said pretty much exactly what

1622
01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:42.680
we're saying around now. There's a reason nobody trusts you

1623
01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:45.760
people anymore. I'm sorry you wasted your career and your

1624
01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.479
life by going into a dying media because but I

1625
01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:51.560
have no sympathy for you, because you people are the

1626
01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:55.159
reason that it's dying. We stop being journalists, she started

1627
01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:59.000
being shills, and that's what you got coming. Well, absolutely, yeah,

1628
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:01.199
what the funny thing was, She goes, so you're still

1629
01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:07.199
an asshole? Then I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah,

1630
01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:09.960
yes I am. I'm sorry. Well no i'm not, but

1631
01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.880
I mean, yeah, no, I'm I'm the exact same prick

1632
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:15.560
I was back in the nineties.

1633
01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:18.640
Well, and the in the point you're making earlier about

1634
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:20.680
you know, you took the ads out of your out

1635
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:22.680
of your your show because you're like, I don't want

1636
01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:26.399
to interrupt the flow of my conversation information and and

1637
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:28.560
and when you're talking about, hey, I'm doing all of

1638
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:31.399
this work and guess what I got eight dollars for

1639
01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:34.680
my efforts. I don't think people realize that guys like us,

1640
01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:38.279
like like the Independence, we're not making a living off

1641
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:39.800
of this. We're doing this because we want to do it,

1642
01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:41.119
and we're trying to trying to.

1643
01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:42.680
Present on this every month.

1644
01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:47.760
Yeah, we're trying to present the present the case of no, no,

1645
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.000
this isn't right. This, this is why it's not right.

1646
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:53.439
Like we're not just saying this is bullshit and walking away.

1647
01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:56.399
We're saying this is bullshit because and this is how

1648
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:01.239
I came to this conclusion. So I I totally believe

1649
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:04.600
that what you're doing, you know, like we'll bring up whiskey. Hell,

1650
01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:08.359
guys like them, even even my friend Kurvin, who has

1651
01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:11.640
this week explained, we're we're kind of just doing the

1652
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:14.479
deep dive stuff or or at least not accepting what's

1653
01:23:14.560 --> 01:23:17.039
on the surface and just presenting it. And I think

1654
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:20.399
that's why people are trusting independence like us more, and

1655
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:22.720
even those aren't independent, like even Joe Rogan got very

1656
01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:25.560
popular because he wasn't afraid to talk. I think what

1657
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:29.640
his strength was wasn't necessarily his stance on things as a person.

1658
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:31.720
It was I think his strength was I'll talk to

1659
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:36.039
anyone and just have the conversation and see where this goes.

1660
01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.720
He actually has conversations with people, and he will he will,

1661
01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:43.359
he will, he will learn and change.

1662
01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:46.119
Yeah, and I've learned a lot by doing this. I

1663
01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:48.479
don't know if you feel that way, but you know,

1664
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:53.479
being forced to to first off, come into this with

1665
01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:56.319
opinion and being forced to correct that after you've done

1666
01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:58.600
your research. And then while you're doing it, I get

1667
01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:01.359
to talk to many people, you know, like you and

1668
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:04.920
other experts, and it's like, oh, I'm smarter for it.

1669
01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:05.960
It's forcing me to learn.

1670
01:24:06.039 --> 01:24:08.319
It's forcing me to become a better person in terms

1671
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:10.800
of how I take an information and view things.

1672
01:24:11.079 --> 01:24:11.399
And so.

1673
01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:15.399
I think it's really really important that you keep doing

1674
01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:17.640
what you're doing because you know, while people just might

1675
01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:19.600
hear it as a rant, you're also presenting a lot

1676
01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:23.640
of really important opinions and facts, and it's it's kind

1677
01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:26.720
of like a rapid fire, like Okay, here's the fire hose.

1678
01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:28.840
Open your freaking ears, and I'm going to just open

1679
01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:29.399
this pigot.

1680
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:33.680
There you go. And yeah, but that's not a bad thing,

1681
01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.039
you know, and I like it, and I think a

1682
01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:39.960
lot of people need to come around to just accepting

1683
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.000
that look your way of life and high look at

1684
01:24:42.039 --> 01:24:44.439
things isn't the only way to do it, and you

1685
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:47.600
need to broaden your horizons and take in other viewpoints, opinions,

1686
01:24:47.600 --> 01:24:50.119
and even especially those are that are backed by data,

1687
01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:52.920
and then take that in and then maybe you might

1688
01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:55.640
find that, hey, I'm looking at this wrong way. I

1689
01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:57.000
think that might be one of the problems we have

1690
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:00.279
with the US at this moment is we got to

1691
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:01.439
get back to that. We got to get back to

1692
01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:04.600
being an objective and hearing other people out and not

1693
01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:07.000
just being so like, you know, here's my palm palms,

1694
01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:08.359
I got cheer for my team, and no, I don't

1695
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:12.479
care what you say. No I like I like TMX regardless,

1696
01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.279
it doesn't matter. And that that's just stupid. You're so wrong.

1697
01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:20.279
You guys suck and we're awesome. I mean, now that's boring.

1698
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:23.199
That's yeah. It is. The other thing too, is I

1699
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.399
think so somewhere as a society we lost that. We

1700
01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:32.600
lost the appreciation for like development, for growth, for learning

1701
01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:36.680
a new thing. People got complacent. They they're just like, no,

1702
01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:38.520
I like this, this is what it is, and this

1703
01:25:38.560 --> 01:25:41.520
is how it has to stay because this is familiar,

1704
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:44.560
This is comfortable, this is safe, and you know, it

1705
01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:46.520
can be kind of scary going out there and hearing

1706
01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:49.560
a different opinion or learning someone learning somebody else's beliefs

1707
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:54.840
or somebody else's thoughts. But like I said, I mean,

1708
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:56.560
you kind of need to do it because if you don't,

1709
01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.800
your your stagnation is death. I mean, coming back to that.

1710
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:03.680
Maybe maybe it's just because you know, we're getting older

1711
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:07.920
and getting a little morose, but like you know, you

1712
01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:10.840
got to keep moving or you and that's you know,

1713
01:26:11.199 --> 01:26:13.199
you got to keep moving or you die. I mean,

1714
01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:18.920
and that's not just a you know, I mean yes, societally, culturally, individually,

1715
01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:21.359
but I mean even people like if you look at

1716
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:26.439
old people like like Congress, the when you get past

1717
01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:29.199
a certain point, you stop moving, you stop stop acting,

1718
01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:33.960
you stop learning, growing, changing, keeping your mental wits about you,

1719
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:38.319
keeping your physical body and motion. I mean you literally

1720
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:41.399
you start to deteriorate. And you'll see that with and

1721
01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:44.640
I again, maybe I'm overly focused on these things recently,

1722
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:46.720
just because of things that are going on, and you know,

1723
01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:49.920
you know, my parents are getting older, and and I

1724
01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:51.720
think about these things in terms of them, and it's

1725
01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:55.359
like for being older people. My parents and like my

1726
01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:58.600
wife's parents are still pretty active, you know, and they're

1727
01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:03.359
keeping busy and keeping keeping their minds sharp. And because

1728
01:27:03.399 --> 01:27:05.079
I mean I remember when I was a kid and

1729
01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:07.399
seeing people and hearing oh, like that guy's you know,

1730
01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:11.159
sixty five, and like the guy looks like walking death.

1731
01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:14.840
Oh my god, that's changed a bit now. Huh yeah.

1732
01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:17.279
Now my parents are, you know, in the late sixties

1733
01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:21.560
and uh late I got a math now, okay, early seventies.

1734
01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:25.319
My parents are in their early seventies, and you know,

1735
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:28.319
and there's like my mom and my stepdad just got

1736
01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:30.880
back from a cruise to Alaska, and you know, they

1737
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.560
they went hiking in the freaking wilderness in Alaska. And

1738
01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:39.239
and my my dad lives in like Bufu, northern Wisconsin,

1739
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:42.119
in like a unibomber shed in the middle of nowhere,

1740
01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:45.199
and like he just cut down a whole damn tree

1741
01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:49.600
last week. I mean, damn. That's now granted, But I

1742
01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:51.359
stand by the statement that I think my father is

1743
01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:53.159
probably one of the hardest people I've ever met in

1744
01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:55.640
my life. I Mean, he's a great dude. He's a

1745
01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:58.520
wonderful human being. He's like, actually, this kind of like

1746
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:01.720
biker hippie guy from this you know, like from the sixties,

1747
01:28:01.880 --> 01:28:04.399
or he's a for real hippie and but you know

1748
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:08.800
he's also this big, tatted up biker who looks intimidating

1749
01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:10.600
as hell, but you know he likes to go out

1750
01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:13.680
and garden and play with his dog. And I mean,

1751
01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:18.359
he's just a great guy until he's not. And then

1752
01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:21.199
and then it's like my brother and I used to

1753
01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:23.560
joke when we when we were kids, like, you know,

1754
01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:26.399
I don't know, but if he ever has to go

1755
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:28.279
on a home you're doing it. And I'm like, the

1756
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:31.039
fuck I am. Huh huh, We're paying somebody to put

1757
01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:32.600
him in a home. I'm not getting involved in that

1758
01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:36.079
ship at all. I'm terrified of that old fart man.

1759
01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:39.600
Everything he says a great example, and I'm still terrified

1760
01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:41.520
of him. So yeah, everything he just says a great

1761
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:45.199
example of like what you said earlier about you know,

1762
01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:50.119
stopping and not not continue to grow and stopping uh

1763
01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:55.239
leads to death because it does, and it translates literally

1764
01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:58.720
in the physical aspect, like you said you stopped moving

1765
01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:01.960
your boy ceriates. It's not use very very kin to

1766
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.000
anybody who has a desk job for a living, Like

1767
01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:06.079
you see them getting into their mid forties and they

1768
01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:09.000
just they're already starting to fall apart, you know, because

1769
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.439
they're not using their body. So yeah, that's that's a

1770
01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:14.720
very true statement that plays out in the real world,

1771
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:16.600
not not not just a theoretical statement.

1772
01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:19.079
And and well, and that's the thing is, people don't

1773
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:21.840
actually make that equation, like even the ones who acknowledge, like, Okay,

1774
01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:24.079
you gotta, I gotta, I got. I have a desk job,

1775
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:25.359
so I have to go to the gym after work,

1776
01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:26.920
or I have to go to the gym before work. Right,

1777
01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:29.279
I have to move, I have to stay physically active

1778
01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:32.359
to stay healthy. You have to do that with your

1779
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:36.199
mentality too, And I agree, take that for granted. They're

1780
01:29:36.199 --> 01:29:40.039
like they they don't. I mean, you know, yeah, we

1781
01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:43.319
have brain teasers and puzzles and things like that, but

1782
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:49.359
that's not the only aspect of mental exercise. I mean, like,

1783
01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.319
I'm I'm a not as much as I used to be,

1784
01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:55.680
but I'm I've always been a pretty voracious reader. I mean,

1785
01:29:55.720 --> 01:29:58.880
I'll knock out a six hundred page book in a

1786
01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:03.720
couple of days. That was me. Yeah, definitely, Yeah, I mean,

1787
01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:06.920
I love like a sleep. No, I'm not gonna lie. No,

1788
01:30:07.159 --> 01:30:08.880
I was gonna say, that's the problem is I still

1789
01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.439
love reading, it just takes me a lot longer to

1790
01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:15.239
do it. Yeah, it's like and part of that might

1791
01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:17.960
just be the like the getting old and the physicality

1792
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.600
of the last you know, twenty five years catching up

1793
01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:23.720
with me, where it's like, yeah, it used to be

1794
01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:28.039
I would run on four to five hours of sleep, yeah,

1795
01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:31.079
pretty much every day, you know, and then like if

1796
01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:34.880
I got sick, I would crash for like twenty some hours.

1797
01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:37.239
And then the first time that happened actually was kind

1798
01:30:37.239 --> 01:30:39.119
of funny. Right after my wife and I got married,

1799
01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:41.640
I got I got sick for the first time where

1800
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:43.960
after we had been living because I never used to

1801
01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:47.439
get sick very frequently, and the first time I got

1802
01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:51.319
like legitimately sick was after we got married. We've been

1803
01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:52.960
we've been living together for like two years, and I'd

1804
01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:55.600
never like even really gotten a fever or anything. And

1805
01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:58.000
then I got legitimately sick one day and I was

1806
01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:00.680
like at work and I was dead on my feet basically,

1807
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:03.760
and my boss called my wife and was like, you

1808
01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:05.880
need to come get him. I'm not letting him drive home.

1809
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:10.279
He's he's wobbling on his feet, and my wife's like,

1810
01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:13.960
he's not drunk or you know, that's what she goes to.

1811
01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:16.479
She's like, he's fine, he hasn't been drinking or anything.

1812
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.199
What's going on is he He's like, no, I think

1813
01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:23.159
he's sick. Like he's very pale, and he doesn't look good.

1814
01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:27.600
And my wife came and picked me up and drove

1815
01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:29.279
me home, and I by the time I got home,

1816
01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:30.880
I took my temperature. I had like one hundred and

1817
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:35.720
three degree fever and I was just really not doing well.

1818
01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:40.479
So I drank half a gallon of gatorade and laid

1819
01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:42.079
down on the couch, rolled up in a blanket, and

1820
01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:45.439
went to sleep. I don't remember. I don't remember any

1821
01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:50.800
of this, but she told me so like thirteen hours later,

1822
01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:54.520
like the next morning, she couldn't get me to wake up,

1823
01:31:55.279 --> 01:31:57.199
and she was starting to freak out. Like I was

1824
01:31:57.239 --> 01:31:59.840
still breathing. I was just snoring peacefully in my sleep.

1825
01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:04.479
I'm couch, hadn't moved all night and basically comatose, and

1826
01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:07.000
my mom happened to call because it was right before Thanksgiving.

1827
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:08.840
It was like two days before Thanksgiving, and my mom

1828
01:32:08.880 --> 01:32:10.760
called it just you know, hey, how's it going? Blah

1829
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:12.920
blah blah, and she's like, I'm really kind of worried.

1830
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:15.119
I can't get Aeron to wake up. And my mom said,

1831
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:18.600
did he get sick? And she goes, well, yeah, he

1832
01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:20.720
was running a fever esday. And my mom's like, was

1833
01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:24.279
it around one hundred and two point eight. It's like

1834
01:32:24.319 --> 01:32:26.960
it was almost one hundred and three, and she's like,

1835
01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:32.239
how long has he been asleep? My wife tells, well,

1836
01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:33.960
he got he went to sleep as soon as he

1837
01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.000
got home from work. It was like four o'clock and

1838
01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:37.800
I went to check on him at seven and he's

1839
01:32:37.800 --> 01:32:40.119
still asleep, and my mom like does the math and

1840
01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:44.119
she's like, okay, so that's like fifteen hours. He's going

1841
01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:47.479
to wake up around noon. He's going to be really hungry,

1842
01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:51.039
and he's going to be dehydrated. And she says, if

1843
01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:52.920
he doesn't wake up by one o'clock, then you can

1844
01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:55.560
call the hospital and call an ambulance if he doesn't

1845
01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:58.279
wake up by like one, and sure as hell, about

1846
01:32:58.279 --> 01:33:02.960
eleven fifteen, I pop up off the couch like we

1847
01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.640
got any food? Make breakfast? And she's just looking at

1848
01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:09.000
me like, what the hell's wrong with you. I'm like,

1849
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:11.119
what do you talk about? I'm fine, I feel great,

1850
01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:15.960
my feet, I'm good. I'm hungry and I'm thirsty, and

1851
01:33:16.039 --> 01:33:19.239
I like, like, we don't we uh? We get bottled

1852
01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:22.760
the five gallon jugs of water here because the water

1853
01:33:22.840 --> 01:33:26.840
water where we live is shit and it's very full

1854
01:33:26.840 --> 01:33:30.199
of heavy metals and shit. So I pay for water,

1855
01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:32.359
and so I went to the little water cooler thing

1856
01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:34.760
and I filled up like a sixty four ounce mug

1857
01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:37.239
that I have, and I drank two of them right

1858
01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:39.279
off the bat. So I literally drank a gallon of water.

1859
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:40.960
As soon as I got up. You just sweated all

1860
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:43.640
out because it was all it was, all wrapped up

1861
01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:46.119
in the blanket. Yeah, And she's my and my wife's

1862
01:33:46.119 --> 01:33:50.199
looking at me. She's like, your mom was right? When

1863
01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:51.760
did you talk to my mom? And she's like, well,

1864
01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:54.119
she called this morning and I told her I couldn't

1865
01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:56.600
wake you up, and she said, if it's been less

1866
01:33:56.640 --> 01:34:00.600
than twenty hours, I shouldn't be freaking out because that's

1867
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.000
what you do when you get sick. And apparently your

1868
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:05.560
father does the same thing. And I'm like, oh, yeah,

1869
01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:07.399
I've only seen dad get sick twice in like my

1870
01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:10.199
entire life. But yes, that's what happens. We go, we go,

1871
01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:12.079
we go to sleep, we go into a coma for

1872
01:34:12.119 --> 01:34:16.199
like a day, and then we're fine. Huh. And so yeah,

1873
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:19.720
that just totally freaked her out. And that's crazy where

1874
01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:21.640
I was going. I forgot the point of that story.

1875
01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:27.359
I don't know a little. I'm not I I tend

1876
01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:31.319
to do that. That's okay, it's all good. Man. Well

1877
01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:35.279
let me see, shoot's been going over an hour and

1878
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.800
a half. Yeah. I tend to do that too, by

1879
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:40.600
the way, I should have warned yet. No, No, I'm

1880
01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:43.119
I'm fine with it. I'm good. I was just gonna say, uh,

1881
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:45.760
I want to keep going. But let's.

1882
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:48.439
I think you and I should stay in touch and

1883
01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:50.439
probably do this again down cool.

1884
01:34:51.079 --> 01:34:53.520
Oh that definitely, dude. This has been fun. This is

1885
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:54.880
a this is a good talk. Yeah.

1886
01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:58.279
Look, there's nothing wrong with just being yourself and just riffing.

1887
01:34:58.399 --> 01:35:01.680
And you know, I think I think this was great.

1888
01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:03.560
It was good for I think it was good good

1889
01:35:03.560 --> 01:35:05.840
for you, and I wanted to introduce you to my audience.

1890
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:07.439
And I like what you do, man, I love I

1891
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:08.199
love your rants.

1892
01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:09.800
You ever to come on my show too? I mean

1893
01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:12.520
I'll do it. I'm good, I'm I want to get back.

1894
01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:14.239
I did guests for a while, and I could just

1895
01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:16.199
kind of got away from it just because every time

1896
01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:18.640
I tried booking something, somebody, you know, something came up,

1897
01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:21.760
somebody went wrong on something. It's hard. It's hard. So

1898
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:23.439
I just kind of got out of it for a

1899
01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:25.600
little while because I was like, you know, I mean,

1900
01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:28.039
the guest episodes are fun and I like doing them

1901
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:32.920
my audience, I mean, my listeners listen to the guest

1902
01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.720
episodes too, and sometimes they find new stuff. But on

1903
01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:37.800
the other hand, I was also for a while, I

1904
01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:40.399
got kind of paranoid about it because like it was

1905
01:35:40.479 --> 01:35:43.319
like during the big pod fade, where you know, a

1906
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:47.039
lot of the COVID podcasters stopped coviing because stopped podcasting

1907
01:35:47.039 --> 01:35:48.640
because all of a sudden, they went back to having lives.

1908
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:51.199
And it was like for a while, it was like

1909
01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:53.960
every time I had a guest on the show died

1910
01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:57.800
like three weeks later, and I'm like, people were just

1911
01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:02.560
overwhelmed with it. Maybe I'm the problem. These people come

1912
01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:04.079
and talk to me and then they realize I don't

1913
01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:05.199
want to do this shit no more.

1914
01:36:08.119 --> 01:36:12.920
Oh yeah, uh tell everybody where they can find you

1915
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:18.159
all that information real Quickfore we sign off and sure, let's.

1916
01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:20.359
See I can be found on any and all of

1917
01:36:20.439 --> 01:36:23.279
these podcast platforms by putting in I had to say it,

1918
01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:25.199
and you look for a screaming grilla with a microphone

1919
01:36:25.239 --> 01:36:27.560
and that is the right show. Otherwise you can go

1920
01:36:27.600 --> 01:36:29.439
to I had to say at podcast dot com and

1921
01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:34.079
there is a show there with there's links to you know,

1922
01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:37.039
other other shows. I've interacted with guests, uh, people that

1923
01:36:37.119 --> 01:36:40.520
I podcasts. I like things I recommend. It's I mean, really,

1924
01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:44.239
it's it's just kind of my own little thing where

1925
01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:46.960
it's like it's a landing platform, it's got ways to

1926
01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:49.800
contact me, it's got like I said, but I see

1927
01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:51.720
it more as like here's a bunch of other shit

1928
01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:53.399
you guys should check out because I think it's cool

1929
01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:55.439
and I think you'll think it's cool too. I mean,

1930
01:36:55.640 --> 01:36:58.199
it really is kind of like my little like, hi, friends,

1931
01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:01.319
look at this stuff because I look at my shiny rocks.

1932
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:04.119
You know. It's it's it's things I've found that I

1933
01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:05.880
think are cool and I want to share with other people.

1934
01:37:06.319 --> 01:37:09.399
And so that's really what's at the website. I mean, yes,

1935
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:11.520
you can find me. But more more so, you're gonna

1936
01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:12.800
find a bunch of shit I think is really cool.

1937
01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:17.039
Other podcasts, other shows, you know. I mean, there's the

1938
01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:18.880
links to the usual stuff like the buy me a

1939
01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:22.680
coffee and the Patreon and which I'm kind of excited.

1940
01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:23.960
I did the math the other day. If I can

1941
01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:26.560
get four more Patreon subscribers, my Patreon will be a

1942
01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:30.720
break even, which will be awesome because I'm like, you know,

1943
01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:33.760
But on the other hand, I feel bad, like I

1944
01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:35.720
don't want to take money from anybody. If you want to,

1945
01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:40.039
that's great because like I said, look, I'm not I'm

1946
01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:42.560
using the Royal you, not not the specific you. But

1947
01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:44.840
oh no, no, I was gonna say, look, I look

1948
01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:47.640
at it this way. I think I think people should

1949
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:51.239
hear your show. I I like how you support independent

1950
01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:52.640
podcasts because like when you go to your site, you

1951
01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:55.239
do list some independent people that that you recommend, which

1952
01:37:55.239 --> 01:37:57.439
is great. Although I do need to update it because

1953
01:37:57.439 --> 01:37:59.319
like I said, there's a bunch more of those Kisses

1954
01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:00.880
of Death people on there. I need to move from

1955
01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:05.079
A to the inactive section. It's just it's hard for

1956
01:38:05.079 --> 01:38:08.279
me to keep up with it because honestly, and half

1957
01:38:08.319 --> 01:38:10.600
the time I forget the website exists. Well, I mean

1958
01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:13.079
I'm gonna say stop that I don't update it. It's

1959
01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:16.199
just it's like I update like, oh, here's new stuff.

1960
01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:18.000
I don't go you know what I need to I

1961
01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:20.760
need to prune some of these people because that part

1962
01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:22.720
is like sad and I don't want to think about it.

1963
01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:24.279
I'm like, no shiny new rocks.

1964
01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:27.199
Well as when when you're independent, you don't have a

1965
01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:28.600
staff to do all this, so it's like you got

1966
01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:30.159
to find time on your day to do all these

1967
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:33.880
updates and like I said, edits and whatever, but the.

1968
01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:35.279
Boss keeps getting mad at me when I do the

1969
01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:35.960
stuff at works.

1970
01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:39.680
I'm gonna encourage everybody to listen to you, and I'm

1971
01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:42.960
gonna say it. I'm going to say, listen to Aaron's podcast,

1972
01:38:43.159 --> 01:38:44.520
listen to I had to say it, and if you

1973
01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:46.800
like them, by all means, buy him a fucking coffee.

1974
01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:49.880
Just just just give him a little something for his efforts.

1975
01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:53.279
So listen, man, thanks, I'm gonna have to. I'm about

1976
01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:54.880
to end it. I think you and I both need

1977
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:57.840
a break after a long day here and appreciate it.

1978
01:38:57.840 --> 01:38:59.560
And yeah, I'll stay in touch and I'll definitely be

1979
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:01.479
on your show. Not a problem, man, Let's let's let's

1980
01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:04.199
connect after this. Yeah, for sure, we'll set something up.

1981
01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:07.239
We'll have some more Ranti, Ranti and zep on time.

1982
01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:11.039
All right, Thank you Eron, appreciate it, my friend. Well

1983
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as always, thanks for listening, and don't forget to follow, share, subscribe,

1984
01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:19.000
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1985
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1986
01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:26.800
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1987
01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:30.359
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