Royce D'Orazio - Content Creation, Media, and Scandals

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All right, we're going hoys, got it going after your

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technical difficulties, so we're fine.

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This is the thing.

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This is the thing for me. I don't I don't

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do the typical interview question answer thing. I like to

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I like to do a little background and eventually, in

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our conversation your background comes out in terms of your

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experiences and whatnot. So yeah, welcome to the show.

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It's the way we do it.

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The one thing I got to ask, though, is I'm

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not going to pronounce your last name because I'm gonna

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not do any justice. So if you could possibly do

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that for me, I'm horrible, I really am.

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Well, first of all, thank you for having me. I

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appreciate that here well, and you can butcher it however

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you'd like. But my full name is Royce Durazzio. That's

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just the cleanest, easiest way to say it.

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You just way to do it, all right, Royce, Well,

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thanks for being here. Now going through, I'm gonna be

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honest with you. I've been listening to a lot of

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your podcasts lately and it's not bad, no, but it

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seems like we have a little bit of a similarities

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in terms of what we have done. Possibly in some backgrounds,

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and then I was looking through your blog and I

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see that you do. You know, you write a little

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bit on some politics, but you're also just about, hey,

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what's happening, current events, et cetera. And I did hear

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one podcast that you did where you were talking about

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streaming and content creation. So I mean, there's a lot

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of ways we can go here, because I think all

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of those things are good topics to have, especially since

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everybody is trying to get into the podcast base. Everyone

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wants to be a content creator, et cetera, and I

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think they have a lot as a big false sense

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of what it takes to do this. You know, and

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your son's been doing this longer than me, so I'm

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sure you have a lot more stories. But I know

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you were doing the TikTok thing for quite a bit.

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Don't know if you still do. That's something I never

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got into. But you know, let's start with where you

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came from with your content creation and why. I mean, honestly,

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you can tell me why.

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You know, as you asked that, I think it goes

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further back than I realize, because I had an internet

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radio show before podcasting was a term, and we were

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in a guesthouse in Beverly Hills and we had four

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phone lines trunked like real phone lines trunked into each

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other and we would go live on RANT Radio and

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we did this underground show for like two years every Sunday.

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Podcasting came out and I didn't understand it at first.

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Turns out it just means recorded, so it goes that

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far back. The TikTok thing is a whole other ride.

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I fell into that during the pandemic, and that was

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based in a lot of irl stuff, but mostly Disney parks.

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And now I'm trying to break that whole thing.

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Okay, Well, what attracted you to do in the underground radio?

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I've always loved radio. I grew up listening to Stern.

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I'm from the Philly suburbs and I just love talk.

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You know, I've got a face for radio, the gift

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of gaps. What's a good combination, And I think that

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especially in a day's world. And one of the reasons

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I'm loving substack so much is it's like perfect for

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audio and people are always looking and I love radio

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because it just forces you to listen. So I've just

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always loved radio. And one of the things that Stern

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did for me growing up was I felt like I

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was sitting in a room with contemporaries hanging out, and

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that added value, especially when you get to a point

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when you're growing up where you feel like you're all alone, right,

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So to have those familiar voices that would maybe inform

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me a little bit, make me laugh, there's value to that,

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you know.

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Yeah, I've always been more on the audio side personally

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as well. There's something about hearing a conversation without the

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distraction of visuals. But with this big push lately with

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all the podcast aggregators, hosts, everybody wants to go to viato.

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They think it's the thing.

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But you know, when I look at what's going on

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as statistics like, I still have more downloads, more and

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more interaction on my audio side than I do on

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the video side. Regardless, it's just two different worlds, two

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different ways of consuming it, two different people that want

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to want to go ahead and consume it a certain way. Really, so,

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I like audio. It allows you to focus and really

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hit the conversation. Now, with that being said, let's talk

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about your podcasts, because there's a few episodes I don't

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even know if we can talk about this. But one

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thing that drew my interest. I don't know how far

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you want to go because you're geting at vague about it. Anyway,

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it was kind of a shorter one is when you

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were talking about James Gunn a little bit. I really

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wasn't sure the whole story on that. Yeah, you know,

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given the nature of my podcast, by the way, it's

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it's pretty much current advanced politics geopolitics.

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Now, I'm not sure how political.

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We're going to get, but this is something that really

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caught my attention given the Superman movie. And there's a

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few things that you said in terms of like, you know,

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maybe he stepped on people to get where he got,

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and you know, you didn't say exactly like that. I

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am that's just kind of how I heard it. But

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the reality is, can can you get more background on

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that situation and what you know and kind of what

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you heard secondhand? Because I wanted to get more detail

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on that. If you're okay talking about.

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It, I'm happy to talk about it, and I love

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that's what you chose. Uh So let me start with this.

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I grew up with some guys that wound up becoming

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close to and working with James. So what I have

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to say comes through those accounts, not through you know,

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reading things online. It's not even secondhand. I guess technically

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it's secondhand, but it's really it's firsthand. Right. So at

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the time that well, let me let me start with

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James as a as a person and as a writer.

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I personally, and this is just a personal opinion that

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he's a horrible writer. And if you want proof, go

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back to those Scooby Doo movies where he made scrappy

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do the villain? I mean, who does that? Right? Like?

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Who does that? Just so that's bizarre. So, but the

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first Guardians of the Galaxy was developed by a woman

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named Nicole Pearlman. I think it was about a decade

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in development. So he plucked it and she got some

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benefits off of it. I don't know if it was

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a producer credit or what. But he took everything with

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it and and he from what I heard through the

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people that I know, is that he kicked and screamed.

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He had a web series at the time, uh with

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with a raccoon puppet, I believe, and he got that

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going enough that he was able to say, I know

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how to do this. I know how to do this,

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and he's so, but what I what? I what I

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know that's more important and we're relevant to where you're

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going with this, is they went to those parties. I

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saw the photos from those the parties that my quote

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unquote former Well now they're former friends, so I can

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say that former friends went to where the uh priest

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and uh child party. I don't remember exactly what they

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called it, but it was either you you dressed up

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as a child or you dressed up as an abus

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or a priest. That was the premise, right, their premise,

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not mine. So it was I don't know if they

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called it priest and pedophiles, and you could go, well,

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that doesn't even make sense, but like, who really needs

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to waste that much time thinking about logic, right? And

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the kind of people they hang out with. Some of

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them are self proclaimed there's a band that they hang

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out with. So it was this type of group of people,

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and there's a lot of familiar names that you would

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know that we're at these parties that I was told

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was at these parties. But moreover, when the whole thing

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broke with Disney, I had already seen those photos on

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the person's cell phone, who went to the party. The

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article that you may be referring to that I wrote

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about with the individual in it is somebody that I

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grew up with, and when I went to source the

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photos for my sub stack, I didn't realize that he

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would be in the in the picture, and it jarred me.

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And this is somebody, I mean, I grew up with

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someone who correct to the extent that I have IMDb

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credits with them. Okay, yeah, I'm sure that was a shock.

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The photo was a shock. I knew he was there,

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and I knew he was part of it, and I'm

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privy to a lot more than what I just said.

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But that's that's me laying the tracks for you, and

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so take it where you'd like. Well, you know, it's it's.

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Really really really getting down to I'm sure you can

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only say so much without getting in trouble, right, James

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gunn Is, He's he's a fairly powerful figure, I guess.

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In terms of with somebody for the truth, can you.

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Well, here's you want to know what I believe. I

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really don't give a damn who they are. If they

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did it, in my opinion, fuck him, I don't really care.

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I don't care how powerful they think. They are not

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gonna affect me personally, honestly, they're just not. They don't

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control my income. So you know, as far as as

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far as you're concerned, you mean, be as open as

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you want to be. But the reality is I personally

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didn't know about these parties that if he's involved in,

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and the tie to Disney, like, I didn't understand everything

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that was going on. I just I just know that

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all of a sudden he just started coming up. Not

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sure why. I know that the movies he's been involved

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with where yeah, they're kind of like okay, but yet

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everybody's praising this guy. And so when I heard your

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podcast you're talking about this, you know, these allegations or

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whatever was going on with these parties kitty parties or

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pedophile parties if we want to call it that, I

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really really just caught my attention. I really was like, WHOA,

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what the hell's going on with this? And it really

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really raised the question because it sounds like you know

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a lot of people in that world right just from

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growing up with people, you have associations, and it's really

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like the stories that we always hear about this, I mean,

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are they really true? Is there a lot of that

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going on in Hollywood in general?

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Yes, really, there's a lot of that goes on in

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the world period. And not that I'm trying to flip

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it into a plug, but I literally just wrote an

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article that was really more of an info dump. It

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wasn't even really an article. It's literally an info dump.

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But when you stop and you look at that level

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of power and those people, it transcends party politics, it

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transcends religion and any other ideology, and at that point

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it becomes about nothing other than more power and more money.

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So that's why you'll never see the Epstein files, you know,

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because everybody is involved at that level.

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Well yeah, and that we can absolutely assume. And then

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since you brought that up, you know, also the other

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tie that everyone can see if you're actually just connecting

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the dots, even at a third grade level. Did he

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how was that not related?

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You know who?

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Everyone saw it? And then suddenly he gets off, you know,

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slap on the wrist. Really and as far as the

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Epstein files go, it's very evident that look, if there

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was nothing that was going on there, why was Jill

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saying Maxwell arrested?

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Why for what being a pimp only Well, I don't

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know how you. I mean, I think it's indisputable there

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was something going on, right.

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Yeah, so she was arrested for being a pimp. There's

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no list, but somehow they had to hold her. Now

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she's trying to negotiate, saying she's going to release names

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in the list. If Epstein wasn't who he was and

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didn't have the connections he did, why would he kill

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or not kill himself? However you want to coin that one.

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So there was a lot going on here that everyone's

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trying to hide and cover up. Obviously, to me, what

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I thought in the beginning, because I was looking at

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it from the geopolitical point of view, was they didn't

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want to release the list because I think personally, I

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don't know for sure, this is all conjecture, but I

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think that there was ties to world leaders that would

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really up to end everybody's world, and at the moment,

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they couldn't just release all these names because it would

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just be a shift form.

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So I think that's what.

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Was really going on in the beginning, But now I'm

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not really sure what's going on. So they have evidence,

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then they don't have evidence, Then they do have evidence.

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I mean, they had about two decade investigation into everything

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was doing, but somehow they don't have anything at all now,

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like it all just disappeared.

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Well, so I think what it really And it's interesting

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to talk about the idea that, oh, it'll bring down

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power structures and industries and all these things. But I

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think more importantly, it's just because Epstein is out of

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the picture doesn't mean that the leverage that he had,

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much like Diddy, doesn't hold value. So I think it's

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more about we don't want to release these things because

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we give away all the leverage we have on all

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these people. Why would we do that?

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That could be that could be the case. And while

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we may have leverage, it also sets the precedent so

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far that it's okay to get away with doing those

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heinous things. Though, I mean, if there's never gonna be

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accountability and they just keep getting away with it, so

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what does that say to the rest of the world.

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But I think that's the that's the raw truth. I

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think that And look, I mean Superman, so just let's

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bring this all up. And because it does so, Superman

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just opens up right, Superman is being produced. First of all,

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it's wild to me that he's directing the movie and

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the CEO at the same time. That should be considered

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a conflict of interest in Anythingeah, I heard you talk

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about that. Okay. So then on top of that, you

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have the whole politicization of the Superman movie. You have

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the James gun pedophilia accusations over the years and all

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of that michigas to use some Yiddish, and then you

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have the Trump of it all and the EPs. I mean,

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it's all so murky, and then you have people arguing

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like in ways that are just completely hypocritical because they

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can't see it for what it is. We live in

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a world where people at this level are not held

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accountable for their actions period. Has nothing to do with party.

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Yeah, well, and that's true, But when did I mean,

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will we ever be able to hold anyone accountable in

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your in your opinion? And do you think it is

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ever gonna happen or is it just because they are

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in a powerful position that's just going to constantly be

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able to get away with the lifestyle they live.

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Well, I think Trump is like the velociraptor in the

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first Drassic Park, testing the weaknesses. So what Trump has

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done in as they like to call it, one point

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zero and now is continue to test the weaknesses in

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the system, which only opens it up for somebody who's smarter, sharper,

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and more able to do more damage. You know. That's

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I think the problem is that we're headed in that

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wrong direction. That's kind of one of the reasons that

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I think we need to start having more open conversation

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from the middle and really get back to like, I'm

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not here to persuade, and I don't mean literally with you,

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but like, I'm not here in the conversations I have

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with my audience or anybody or even you to persuade.

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I'm actually here to pick up something that I might

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not have thought of. And I think people need to

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get out of their silos. I see a lot of

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the same faces talking to the same people. It's like

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to make another James Gun reference, and I'll let the

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nerds pick this up on their own. But it's like

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the Toxic Avengers. When I see you know, the same

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six people you know circulating on the same podcast, I'm like,

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you guys are just yelling at the same audience. You're

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not producing any new conversation because that's too much work.

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That that's that's another conversation, and that's something I agree

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with me with you on.

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Now, Okay, we'll get to that.

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As far as far as the James Gun thing, I mean, Epstein,

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it is what it is. We know it's out there.

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It's unfortunate what's happening. But as far as James Gun

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is concerned, I don't even know how many I mean,

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how deep does this go with him? How long has

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this been going on with all these allegations, because I

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literally don't know. I never paid attention to the guy,

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to be quite honest, and I'm so engrossed with so

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many other things that I do on the podcast that

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I really if you only take so much in right,

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it's a crazy world right now, there's so much happening.

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How deep does that go that you know of? So

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the whole thing that happened with Disney in a nutshell

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was they started unearthing old tweets. This guy comes from

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the Troma world, so he's always sort of been the

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alternate guy, right, So he's always considered himself to be

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sort of a you know, I don't know what you

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want to use. A provocateur is the word he would use.

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I don't quite think. I don't think he's that witty.

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I think he wishes he was a provocateur. But he

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would say these outlandish things over the years on Twitter.

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He had relationships I cannot remember the name of the

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band where they're self proclaimed pedophiles. They just go after

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They would talk about going after young underage girls. Right,

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So he surrounded himself with these type types of people. Well,

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all I can tell you is that at the time

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that this happened, at the time that he was being fired. Okay,

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at the time he was working for Disney prior to

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being fired, he was having these parties because I know

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people that went there. And my one former friend came

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up to me and goes, look at what I wore,

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and he shows me his selfie where he dressed up

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like a child with a propeller hat on at the party.

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And I looked at him like, what is what is

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wrong with you? Like what part of you thinks this

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is something that I this is not entertaining. And then again,

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if you are suggesting you're a provocateur, there's no audience here.

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This is behind closed doors. So what I can verify,

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or what I can say verifiably is that those parties

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happened during that time. One of the people I know

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worked one of the people I knowed. I'm deciding if

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i want to say what I want to say, because

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somebody who's really sharp can put all the dots together.

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But one of the two people I'm talking about spent

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a long time getting close to James because it benefited

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their career, and it has to the extent that you'll

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find James has producer credits on all of their projects.

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So it's kind of one of those things where it's like,

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and that's the industry, right. I mean, I don't want

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to totally derail it, but I could tell you other

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stories of other situations, public stuff that you would know

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about where I've worked with people who openly talked about

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these things as if they were okay. And these are

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people who on paper should be speaking out against these things,

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but they turned a blind eye because of their career.

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And I'm talking about people that work with Cosby by

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the way, So it just it's sort of like one

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of these things where again and no, there's no party

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lines anymore. I could tell you that I'm a Democrat,

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I could tell you I'm a Republican, it doesn't really matter.

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I'm making a ton of money. I'm turning a blind

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eye to your transgressions. Right, that's Hollywood. That's that's really everything.

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I shouldn't it's not fair to just pick on Hollywood.

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No, no, no no, but it's we're talking about Hollywood since

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we well I brought up the James Gunn thing. Yeah,

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so that's why we're discussing it. But you know it

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gets me, is I don't I don't have that mindset,

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like why what is attractive about a child? Like what

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is it about that type of person or people like

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that that they need to abuse and destroy children?

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Like why? I mean, I don't even want to have

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that conversation because then you're asking me to get inside

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that mindset. And I can only tell you because I

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know you listened to that particular episode that I've seen

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throughout my life a lot of this stuff firsthand, and

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I think it always comes back to the same thing.

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People like to see what they can get away with.

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I know it goes deeper, but generally speaking, when it

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comes to power and abuse, people like to see what

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they can get away with. Can I say anything on

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this podcast? Yeah? So I worked with a woman who

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at the time was over at NBC. Now, she said

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to us at lunch one day before this Bill Cosby

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stuff ever broke when Hannibalbarris broke it. She because she

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was a producer on The Cosby Show as a young woman,

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she said, very flippantly over lunch, as if it was

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about running an errand Bill Cosby used to force the

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pas to give him blowjobs, as if she said, Bill

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Cosby used to force the pas to pick up his

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dry cleaning. You know, it's just like what you do

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just part of your day. Now that woman has an oscar.

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She's I don't want to make this issue that it's

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not but on paper, you know, Democrat, Democrat supporter. And

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I know these things firsthand because I worked on campaigns

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by happenstance that she was on. And it's just the

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small world that way, uh, and went on to produce

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other people and you know, beyond Cosby and so so

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saw it for what it was back then, right, went

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on to trade off of other plights and get an oscar.

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I'm trying to be a little vague there. And you

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know again you go, you look at this person, you go, well,

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I think that I thought you were like a liberal,

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and I thought you were like, these are the issues

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and and this is like you know me too, and

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all these things, but not when it not when it

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comes to self interest, right, But you have to ask

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yourself if you were in that situation, what would you

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really do? I'm not really sure.

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I mean, that's that's the thing I've I've brought up

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and other other conversations is like, for example, if we're

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talking about someone who's corrupt, right, we we think, we

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think we want our politicians and everybody that all of

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our heroes are infallible. Someone waves a hundred million dollars

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in your face. How infalliable? Fallible you're gonna be? You're

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gonna turn it down? Are you really gonna say no?

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Are you?

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Are you to say no if someone gives you a

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hundred million?

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But can we bring that back? Can we bring that

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back to the Epstein thing for a minute. Yep, And

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let's just trade that money, uh formula there for power formula.

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You're you're any of these people, your cash Betel, your

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Dan Bongino. Right, And you're brought into an admin right,

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and you get a look behind the curtain and you

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realize that you know you were manipulated to the extent

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that you know, Trump knew he was never going to

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release these Epstein files. Right, But now you're in a

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position of power and you're and you're being given the

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ultimate option. Do you give up your power or do

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you are you silence in exchange to keep it? Or

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do you choose to speak up and then become ostracized

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and become the enemy. And you can already see that

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Trump is taking the if you're not with me, you're

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against me approach by immediately turning anybody that doesn't agree

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with him, meaning his supporters, into the enemy to nullify

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this story. So it's just one of those things where

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you're like, you're you're trapped. Like I mean, imagine those

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guys coming in there and thinking that they were going

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to shed light on something and now that they're like, oh,

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we were stuck. I mean, it's like the ultimate chess move, right, Yeah.

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I mean, you're you're as stuck as you want to be.

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I mean, if you.

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This is just really the moral argument, right, the argument

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the morality of the situation and the reality. And to me,

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it's you're going to have to make that choice. I mean,

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you don't want to destroy yourself, but at the same time,

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truth has to be told to make sure that we

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can you know, decapitate this power structure. And that's where

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that's really you know, what it comes down to. I mean, sure,

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do you want to be beholding held hostage by by

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some you know, greasy asshole who's who's literally just you know,

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has no moral compass whatsoever. It's taking advantage of the

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people in the system. I mean, I don't think most

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people would now. I think where people do not want

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to step out and where they don't want to bring down,

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you know, the kingdom, so to speak, is when their

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family is threatened. I think most people on the personal

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level can care less, but they don't want to sacrifice

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their family or the loved ones. And if that's just

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being held over the heads, and that's where the issue is.

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I believe someone like Dan Bongino, I mean, if you

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want to talk about that, everyone has their opinion on

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this whole thing that's going on with this MAGA movement

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and all these individuals and you know, self reclining influencers

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and whatnot. But you know, he gave up millions of

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dollars as a podcaster and wants to go ahead and

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now become you know, part of the FBI deputy director

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used to be a secret service agent. Great, he wanted

476
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to uncover things, so did Cash Mattel. The whole reason

477
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:17.960
these guys, or at least Cash was even you know,

478
00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.079
GANI supporters, because he was supposed to expose bring things down.

479
00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.920
Then we can also have the conversation as to why

480
00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.680
the hell was Pambondi even put into the position she was.

481
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.119
You know, as far as I was concerned, I didn't

482
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.240
really see much of what she did anything in Florida.

483
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:34.640
Sure she talked tough, but I mean.

484
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:37.079
But maybe maybe she was put there to make sure

485
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.720
that the files never get released. Maybe that's why those

486
00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:42.599
binders came out. And then they realized that we thought

487
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.359
we could pull a fast one that didn't work, kick

488
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.160
the can that didn't work.

489
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.759
Here we are, yeah, exactly, And that was that was

490
00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:53.039
just that was it was hilarious.

491
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:54.240
Well, it wasn't beyond hilarious.

492
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:55.960
That was the stupidest thing I've ever seen here to

493
00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:56.279
give you that.

494
00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:58.640
Would you take a picture with a binder celebrating that

495
00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:01.799
you that you've got pedophile documents? Like even if you were.

496
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.920
It's not even just about that, whereas it's to me,

497
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:06.599
it's it's it's you're the White House.

498
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:08.000
You're the White House.

499
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:09.839
You're supposed to be held to a higher standard, and

500
00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:13.559
you're gonna use influencers and give them this access that

501
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:16.920
you won't give anybody else. Right, Well, that's say about

502
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:17.759
your administration.

503
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:20.880
But that's why Dan Bongino got the job, right, because

504
00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.279
the whole idea is that these people, this goes back

505
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:25.920
to what you were saying about like family and doing

506
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:28.799
things for the right reason. The problem is these folks

507
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:33.119
are there for fame and power, and now a guy

508
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:36.319
like Bongino is in the ultimate situation. And by the way,

509
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.440
I was just kind of laughing more at the influencers

510
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:42.880
holding the binders celebrating pedophilia. Even though they're anti pedophilia,

511
00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:46.519
they're still holding those binders and celebrating it. Oh yeah,51200:25:46.880 --> 00:25:48.920



I get it, I get it. But but but so,51300:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.039



But Bongino isn't like the ultimate like lose lose, win51400:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.119



win scenario because he's got he gets to choose power51500:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.720



or go back to his audience. But neither one of51600:25:57.720 --> 00:26:01.839



those are predicated on doing what's right. No, it's all51700:26:01.839 --> 00:26:03.000



about self interest, and I.51800:26:02.960 --> 00:26:04.680



Don't know him personally, so I mean we can only51900:26:04.720 --> 00:26:08.799



assume what he's thinking. But just from how he has52000:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.839



carried himself and what he's done in media, I think52100:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.839



he would have loved to have stayed on his podcast,52200:26:15.119 --> 00:26:17.359



you know. I think sometimes it's better to be on52300:26:17.400 --> 00:26:19.240



the outside. Once you're on the inside, you don't like52400:26:19.279 --> 00:26:19.920



what you see.52500:26:20.680 --> 00:26:21.079



I can't.52600:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.960



I can't necessarily say I can put any blame on52700:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.680



him because he's not really in charge. He's he's debut director.52800:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.839



I mean, at this point, he's towing the line. He's52900:26:27.880 --> 00:26:30.240



trying to be careful what he says in light of53000:26:30.279 --> 00:26:32.799



representing the FBI and also being you know, one of53100:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.960



the prime picks by President Trump, right, he had Trump53200:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.799



support himself. So I get where he's coming from. So53300:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.279



I can't fault him. But the problem is is we're53400:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.400



seeing an FBI that is really a repeat of what53500:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.359



everybody else said was wrong about the previous administration's FBI.53600:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.559



What's the damn difference at this point, There's never going53700:26:50.599 --> 00:26:52.519



to be a difference. That's that's why they call it53800:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.240



the deep state. Well exactly, so, Litsten, here, here's what happens.53900:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.440



You know, we just we mentioned Stern earlier. Yeah, and54000:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.720



I always used Stern as the analogy. Okay, Stern railed54100:27:01.720 --> 00:27:05.960



on iMOS his entire early career, Okay, and then Stern54200:27:06.039 --> 00:27:13.880



became Imus. Because it's inevitable no matter what your genre is, Okay,54300:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.079



when you hit success, it's inevitable that you become the54400:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.440



very thing you were railing against. So Bongino will probably54500:27:22.720 --> 00:27:24.920



leave at some point because he's better off being on54600:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.519



the outside making money yelling at a boogeyman. And maybe54700:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.400



maybe the boogeyman will become Trump, or maybe he'll find54800:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.559



a new boogeyman. But once you're on the inside, now54900:27:34.599 --> 00:27:36.960



you're accountable for the things you were railing against. And55000:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.680



then there's that reality check like, oh, we don't get55100:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.400



to make these decisions, they're made at a higher level. Oh,55200:27:42.559 --> 00:27:44.559



we're never going to release any of this stuff because55300:27:44.599 --> 00:27:46.920



it's going to ruin all the power structures in the world.55400:27:47.240 --> 00:27:51.119



And welcome to the club. But you're indoctrinated now, and55500:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.160



you're like, well, I don't want to be in this55600:27:52.200 --> 00:27:52.880



club anymore.55700:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.960



Well, yeah, I'm unfortunately the guy who says let it55800:27:56.039 --> 00:27:57.799



all fucking burn. I don't really care I mean I55900:27:58.559 --> 00:27:59.839



think the world needs a reset.56000:28:00.319 --> 00:28:00.759



Yes.56100:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.720



Now, as as far as you know Bonginos just as56200:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.759



the example, I don't want to get stuck on just him.56300:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.440



But no, but it's a very good example because it's56400:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.279



a guy. It is like why did he get the job?56500:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.680



It absolutely is a good example.56600:28:13.119 --> 00:28:16.279



But this really brings brings the old saying home, you know,56700:28:16.359 --> 00:28:17.680



like you don't know what you don't know?56800:28:18.000 --> 00:28:18.160



Right?56900:28:19.400 --> 00:28:23.359



And the thing about power, it does corrupt, Like let's57000:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.119



let's let's take me you it doesn't even matter. You know,57100:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.200



let's say one day we we don't know, what if57200:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.000



we became a Joe Rogan one day? Right, what if57300:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.480



that even happened. Could you imagine the pressures and and57400:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.200



and everything that would be waved in front of you,57500:28:36.200 --> 00:28:39.319



you know, to tempt you to try to mold and57600:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.160



shape you. I mean, once you get to a certain level,57700:28:41.160 --> 00:28:42.920



you don't want to let go of that. And I57800:28:43.000 --> 00:28:43.680



understand that.57900:28:44.160 --> 00:28:44.279



Uh.58000:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.759



But you know, as far as Bongina goes, I think58100:28:46.759 --> 00:28:51.359



he has enough. I think he has enough strength and58200:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.400



enough of a moral backbone that I don't think he58300:28:54.440 --> 00:28:54.799



wants to.58400:28:54.720 --> 00:28:55.319



Be where he's at.58500:28:55.519 --> 00:28:59.160



I I think that he thought that he was getting58600:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.160



into one situation where he was going to be able58700:29:01.160 --> 00:29:04.839



to make a difference, and now he's doing the Oh shit,58800:29:05.519 --> 00:29:06.039



what did I do?58900:29:06.759 --> 00:29:07.400



What did I do?59000:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.519



Not that I was ever to be honest, you know,59100:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.640



I was never a diehard fan. I respected who he59200:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.480



was and what he did. Didn't agree with everything he said,59300:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.440



but at least he had he stood for something. You know,59400:29:19.680 --> 00:29:23.119



he definitely wanted to expose, wanted to make sure that,59500:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.640



you know, whatever was wrong was righted, and that's what59600:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.200



he said. I mean, whether you're like you know, whether59700:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.119



you're into being a Republican Democrat, mag to me, that59800:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.079



doesn't matter. For the most part, a lot of his59900:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.640



messaging was really about trying to right the wrongs. And60000:29:37.720 --> 00:29:39.200



now he's on the other side of it, and he's60100:29:39.240 --> 00:29:43.640



looking like a jackass. You know, not his fault. He60200:29:43.680 --> 00:29:45.000



didn't know what he was walking into.60300:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.119



So well, that's that's exactly what I think it is.60400:29:48.279 --> 00:29:51.440



And I think, you know, now he's in a he's60500:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.039



caught in a catch twenty two because he's really damn60600:29:54.079 --> 00:29:58.960



no matter what he does, but his choices are power60700:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.559



and money. I mean, he's gonna be fine either way,60800:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.000



right and as long as he doesn't totally bite the hand,60900:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.200



which is why if he does leave and go back61000:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.119



to podcasting, that's going to be a tough nut to crack,61100:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.079



because what are you gonna do. You're gonna start railing61200:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.039



against Trump in the deep state. No, he won't do that.61300:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.720



I mean he's but then what do you do? That's61400:30:19.759 --> 00:30:22.720



like there's a larger question there. If you want to61500:30:22.759 --> 00:30:24.119



go a little bit wider with this.61600:30:24.319 --> 00:30:27.440



Well, we can go wider, but at some point he's61700:30:27.480 --> 00:30:29.400



going to have to try to save face, just as61800:30:29.440 --> 00:30:30.119



anybody would.61900:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.839



How does he do that? If you're in him right now?62000:30:32.839 --> 00:30:33.519



How do you play this?62100:30:34.039 --> 00:30:36.319



There's well, the only way to play it is to62200:30:36.759 --> 00:30:39.920



kind of go against your own laurels. To be quite honest,62300:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.680



you would have to drum up the story that look,62400:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.720



I got inside, it's so dirty, I can't clean it up.62500:30:49.160 --> 00:30:52.400



And you know, no matter what I did, I was62600:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.640



under threat, I was under durest. I couldn't act out,62700:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.200



and here I am. And while you're on the other side,62800:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.680



there's no way that you would be able to say, Look,62900:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.960



everything was Trump's fault. The Trump administration is filthy. He's63000:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.440



not going to say that he is the setting president. Now,63100:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.640



he's not going to lose his connections and his access,63200:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.880



but he can spin it if he wanted to, just63300:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.920



like most everybody could spin this, and anybody who's really63400:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.440



savvy and media can spin this story and come out63500:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.559



the other side not necessarily clean, but maybe you won't63600:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.079



look so bad. And let's just not let's not go63700:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.279



ahead and dismiss the fact that people have short memories.63800:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.279



There's so much has gone on in the world that63900:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.759



people forgot in three days. You know, I have his64000:31:30.839 --> 00:31:32.640



conversation with people all the time when we're talking about64100:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.640



presidents and deportations and things like that. I'm like, wow, great,64200:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.440



did you know that Bill Clinton deported twelve million?64300:31:37.480 --> 00:31:39.519



Did you know that Obama.64400:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.359



Took seven hundred and fifty billion dollars away from Medicaid64500:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.000



and raise taxes by one trillion? They go, No, this64600:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.359



was your era. You worked in the administration at that time.64700:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.559



You don't remember this, you know. So it's it's it's64800:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.119



the news cycle, right. There's the trick is this and64900:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.200



you you probably know this way better than I. The65000:31:57.200 --> 00:31:59.519



trick is to overwhelm the public. You want to keep65100:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.720



the new cycle spinning as fast as you can with65200:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.079



enough flashy headlines that you can drum up to guide65300:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.559



and misdirect people. It doesn't matter what happens. You know,65400:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.200



if you're able to move quick enough in media and65500:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.720



you've moved the new cycle fast enough, people forget. Because65600:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.960



our attention spans today are so short that nobody really65700:32:20.119 --> 00:32:22.200



is going to clamp down on it like a bulldog65800:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.519



and not let go of it. They're eventually just going like, well,65900:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.200



hold on, what did Elon Musk just say? You know66000:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.839



what happened? What a putin do? Their attention span is66100:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.400



so short that I know. For fact, politicians and people66200:32:36.480 --> 00:32:38.319



that have the power, as you say, and the money,66300:32:38.559 --> 00:32:39.079



they know this.66400:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.480



They know this. That's why there's always.66500:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.720



The adage that, oh, they're rich and they're powerful, they're66600:32:43.720 --> 00:32:44.920



just going to get away with it because they know66700:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.359



they will. If you could delay it long enough, if66800:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.759



you could belay and delay the investigations, the prosecutions, et cetera,66900:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.000



you're going to get away with it. People lose interests,67000:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.160



and people are going to forget about it. And that's67100:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.960



just a fact. It's just the reality of the world67200:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.759



we live in. So it's unfortunate, but it's true.67300:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.839



It's really true. That's that's the Steve Bannon strategy, flood67400:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.640



the zone with shit. I mean, that is why he67500:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.559



you know, Trump says I'm going to deport Rosie O'Donnell67600:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.799



because he's trying to distract from the Epstein conversation. Yeah,67700:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.240



you know, but you'll see it through now here. Here's67800:33:16.279 --> 00:33:17.960



the thing, because you brought up a lot there that67900:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.759



that I and I'm going to try to comment on68000:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.839



all of it at once here. But you know, he's68100:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.200



a show biz guy, for better or worse, and he68200:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.079



fancies himself a show biz guy. So I could see68300:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.079



a Bongino exit being like, listen, I know you're gonna68400:33:34.079 --> 00:33:35.799



have to go out there and you're gonna have to68500:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.000



say what you need to say for your audience to68600:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.519



save face. And I know you're gonna have to rail68700:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.640



against me. But like we're good, you know what I mean, Like,68800:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.480



I know that Trump knows that the game is played68900:33:46.519 --> 00:33:49.759



that way. I actually think not to derail this, but69000:33:49.839 --> 00:33:54.680



I think Trump and newsomer type I think so too. Well,69100:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.240



they're they're pretty much family, you know that, right? Well?69200:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.400



How many how often do you do you always see69300:33:59.440 --> 00:34:01.319



them at But you know when you can see footage69400:34:01.319 --> 00:34:02.720



of them at partis and whatnot. They're not They're not69500:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.400



sitting there stabbing each other in the back. They're shaking69600:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.200



hands or smiling, they're cracking jokes. They all know each other.69700:34:07.240 --> 00:34:11.800



I'm sure there's there's there's definitely animosity between some absolutely,69800:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.920



but they're all part of the same team.69900:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.360



Realistically, they're all part of the same team. They're all politicians.70000:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.599



They're all playing everybody for as you said, power and money,70100:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.960



and it's all about manipulation, you know, it's misdirection, slight70200:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.119



of hand, it's all that's exactly what we're dealing with.70300:34:28.920 --> 00:34:29.079



You know.70400:34:29.559 --> 00:34:33.960



It's like it's like when we're the discussion came up about, uh,70500:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.119



what Elon Musk wants to do, and I know you70600:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.320



had an opinion on this with this whole third party thing.70700:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.880



Great idea, it's not gonna happen and it's not gonna work.70800:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.199



But we do need more diversity in our choices, we70900:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.639



absolutely do. But there's just too much money and as71000:34:48.679 --> 00:34:50.800



you said, power within the two parties that it's never71100:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.199



gonna come to light. It's just not gonna happen. As71200:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.719



rich as Elon Musk is, he's not as rich as71300:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.039



every single donor combined in the two parties. He's not71400:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.880



gonna he's not gonna to break the surface. It's just71500:35:00.920 --> 00:35:01.440



not gonna happen.71600:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.719



Well, I don't think a third party is enough to71700:35:03.840 --> 00:35:06.119



break the surface anymore. No, it really won't.71800:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.519



They've tried with a tea party they I mean, remember,71900:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.119



Ross Perot was probably the only one back in the72000:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.639



day with enough money to get enough attention. And he72100:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.639



you know, he bumped it. He did, he did well,72200:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.760



but still it just was not enough. And it's not72300:35:19.880 --> 00:35:21.840



saying that he was the perfect candidate to be a president,72400:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.239



but it was a good example of what could be done.72500:35:24.280 --> 00:35:29.320



But in today's times, with the amount of bombardment of72600:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.199



information and social media that everybody wakes up to and72700:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.960



you just can't get away from it, good luck fighting that.72800:35:35.079 --> 00:35:36.679



You're just not going to be able to keep up72900:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.800



with everybody else is going to just becoming at you73000:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.639



from all these other angles. So I don't think the73100:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.320



third party is going to work out. It's a great idea,73200:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.079



does it need to happen? Sure we have the Libertarian Party,73300:35:45.159 --> 00:35:46.880



good luck with that too. They can't even decide whether73400:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.039



or not they even want to be a political party.73500:35:49.119 --> 00:35:51.719



They have so much infighting because they can't agree on73600:35:51.800 --> 00:35:53.079



what they want to do, and they can't even agree73700:35:53.079 --> 00:35:54.760



on who's going to lead the damn Libertarian Party.73800:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.559



It's just a shit show. Our choices and the independent73900:35:59.599 --> 00:36:03.039



parties come a workaround for anybody that needs to circumvent74000:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.719



the rules. So you know, Andrew Cuomo is going to74100:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.159



use it right now. But either party will use the74200:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.280



independent ticket to play.74300:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.800



People will they will? I think the independent ticket is74400:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.840



is really coming down to the fact that people are74500:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.400



just over it, but they they don't seem to.74600:36:21.440 --> 00:36:25.480



Know where to turn. Running Is Cuomo running is? Excuse me,74700:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.840



I'm sorry, Cuomo running is an independent? That that just74800:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.599



further proves how broken the Democrat Party is, absolutely because74900:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.760



here's no room for a real independent if you're basically75000:36:35.880 --> 00:36:39.079



trying to flip the script and make and make the75100:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.199



nominee of the Democrat Party the independent candidate, that's what75200:36:42.280 --> 00:36:42.880



he's trying to do.75300:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.039



No, completely under I completely understand. I get what he's doing,75400:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.159



and he is sending a clear message. You know, look,75500:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.599



if we want to talk about parties, great, let's let's75600:36:52.639 --> 00:36:57.639



talk about parties. They both suck honestly, they both got75700:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.079



their issues. The Democrat Party is probably the most broken75800:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.599



at this point because there isn't a clear leader. There75900:37:03.639 --> 00:37:08.559



really is not, sadly, I mean, years ago, a lot76000:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.079



of people, including like me, would we were Democrat, voted Democrat,76100:37:12.119 --> 00:37:13.960



you know, but there were a different party back then76200:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.679



in the day. They've morphed into something else that nobody recognizes,76300:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.119



and they do not seem to be able to get76400:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.639



a pulse on what the people are really wanting and76500:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.480



what is actually needed. It's they're too busy putting themselves first.76600:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.679



Now that can also be argued Trump's doing the same76700:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.280



damn thing. Sure, but he won on the message of76800:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.440



putting America first. That's what everybody wanted. We can argue76900:37:41.480 --> 00:37:43.280



whether or not, and he's coming through in US promises.77000:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.480



I'm sure we could. But the Democrat Party right now77100:37:46.559 --> 00:37:48.920



does not have a leader. Who's next? Who's the rising star?77200:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.719



AOC police not going to happen, Crockett.77300:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.800



No Buddha jet like. Who is going to step up77400:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.920



and actually be the leader of that party? I hope77500:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.840



it's somebody whose name we do not know at the moment.77600:38:03.280 --> 00:38:08.440



I agree it would be great to suddenly like if77700:38:08.480 --> 00:38:10.280



there was some dark horse that just all of a77800:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.760



sudden popped up and was able to move the needle77900:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.480



and you're like, oh wow, okay, this is what I've78000:38:16.480 --> 00:38:16.920



been looking for.78100:38:17.159 --> 00:38:17.840



This makes sense.78200:38:18.079 --> 00:38:19.960



But it's not even just about that anyone could tell78300:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.199



the story and get the votes. It's really about are78400:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.119



you going to actually do what you say? Or once78500:38:25.400 --> 00:38:27.800



you're in there, are you going to let like you said,78600:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.119



the deep state takeover and you just become that damn78700:38:31.159 --> 00:38:32.000



puppet on a string.78800:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.239



Well, they're never going to get the chance. That's the78900:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.679



real issue because somebody, because if somebody did rise up,79000:38:37.800 --> 00:38:43.440



if this mythical creature rose up, okay, that they would79100:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.079



be squashed by the establishment. That's the problem is that79200:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.679



the Democrat Party is run like a high school click79300:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.159



and everything comes from the DNC and is dictated outward79400:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.360



and until that could be I mean, look at what79500:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.679



happened with Dave. I don't even like the guy, but79600:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.320



look at what happened with David Hogg.79700:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.960



Yeah, he was supposed to be the face of the DNC.79800:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.039



He was supposed to be the the that's very I mean, listen,79900:39:12.360 --> 00:39:16.880



I'm sure him, I'm sure him and Dan Bongino could80000:39:16.880 --> 00:39:21.039



have a really good conversation over a beer. Oh, I'm80100:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.719



sure about getting too close to the sun. I'm very sure.80200:39:25.079 --> 00:39:28.840



You know, I'm gonna Okay, let's do this because I80300:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.840



want to move into different directions. But before we do,80400:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.440



let me ask your opinion on Trump. What's your thoughts?80500:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.800



I think Trump Trump is oddly one of the most80600:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.840



consistent politicians we have ever had. And if you go80700:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.840



back and you look at that interview he did in80800:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.880



his thirties, and I never remember who the woman was80900:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.280



the interviewed him. I always forget her name. I want81000:39:53.280 --> 00:39:59.079



to say it was Ronna Barrett. But he he is81100:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.920



somebody that every but he loved because he said really81200:40:02.079 --> 00:40:07.719



shocking stuff. And at the same time, people on all81300:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.079



sides were asking him his entire life to consider running81400:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.440



for office. It wasn't until he chose to come down81500:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.519



the escalator and play the playbook that I guess he81600:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.039



inevitably was always going to play a La roy Cone81700:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.440



that he started, you know, pissing people off. But I81800:40:26.519 --> 00:40:31.000



think Trump is is not a product of our culture.81900:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.239



I think that like we we just caught up. Like82000:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.039



I think we just caught up. I mean he's consistent.82100:40:39.679 --> 00:40:42.239



I don't think we bred him. I think that he's82200:40:42.320 --> 00:40:46.599



always been there. He's been in rap songs, he's he's82300:40:46.719 --> 00:40:52.199



been in movies. Yeah, he's he's iconic. And it was82400:40:52.280 --> 00:40:56.239



only until he got into politics and showed people how82500:40:56.360 --> 00:40:59.519



he would actually do things, despite what he said all along,82600:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.119



despite all the wild things he would say on The82700:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.360



Stern Show, And then people are like, well, wait a second,82800:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.000



we don't actually think if this is the way you're82900:41:07.039 --> 00:41:08.519



going to lead, that you should be a leader. Like83000:41:08.760 --> 00:41:12.880



it's buyer's remorse. It's buyer's remorse.83100:41:12.960 --> 00:41:17.119



Ye, good way to put it. Yeah, he's he's he's83200:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.840



not presidential. That's that's the thing about him. He's not83300:41:20.039 --> 00:41:24.400



hilarious absolutely. I mean I like that he has no filter,83400:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.599



but at the same time gets him into trouble for sure,83500:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.800



And who the hell talks to world leaders the way83600:41:31.840 --> 00:41:32.199



he does?83700:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.880



Right, By the way, hilarious doesn't mean I like him.83800:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.360



I can objectively say somebody's hilarious, right, but people, we can't.83900:41:39.400 --> 00:41:41.400



We live in a world where that's that will be84000:41:41.559 --> 00:41:45.159



taken as an endorsement. Well, yeah, that's true. You don't84100:41:45.199 --> 00:41:46.519



have to like him. It's fine.84200:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.760



I mean, we all don't have to agree on on84300:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.159



candidates and who we back or whatever it is. I mean, look,84400:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.960



there's a lot of people who voted for him that84500:41:53.079 --> 00:41:55.760



are now now looking at the fact that you know,84600:41:55.800 --> 00:41:57.719



there's a lot of promises that he made that he's84700:41:57.760 --> 00:41:59.920



not coming through. A lot of things he did were fine,84800:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.559



a lot of things were great, But there's always the84900:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.079



real argument here has always been we never had a85000:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.119



perfect president. The problem with this guy, you know, even85100:42:09.159 --> 00:42:11.440



though he's human like all of them, is he has85200:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.239



no damn filter. He's I mean, who the hell Arizon85300:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.119



Grievance is out on social media? You're the fucking president.85400:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.039



You're the president man a drug addict.85500:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.280



You know what I'm saying. It's like, what are you doing? Yeah?85600:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.400



I know, it's well that's what I'm saying. It's hilarious,85700:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.360



but it's also scary at the same time, right, Like85800:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.320



I can laugh at it, but then also be like85900:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.960



this is this is absolutely terrible. We're all gonna die, right,86000:42:34.119 --> 00:42:35.760



but how do you not laugh? You know? I mean,86100:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.079



what else was someone I gonna do? Cry? Well? What86200:42:38.280 --> 00:42:43.239



is the reaction? The reaction? Look, I think there's a86300:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.360



lot of things that Trump has done that. If the86400:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.760



messenger was different, he would have been applauded. Because he's Trump.86500:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.119



It's it's bad branding, right, you know, maybe it's not86600:42:56.320 --> 00:42:59.559



because he won so but at least to the opposition, right,86700:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.599



I mean, there's there's a lot of people that just won't,86800:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.480



that will openly not give this man credit for anything86900:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.079



because they despise him. I don't despise him at that level.87000:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.079



I used to watch The Apprentice at nauseum because I87100:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.400



thought he was hugely entertaining. But I didn't even if87200:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.079



I thought he could have been a good president, this87300:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.280



version of him is not capable of being a good president.87400:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.320



He's got moments where he's effective, right, but he is87500:43:24.440 --> 00:43:28.840



surrounded by some really dangerous people. I don't and it cares. No,87600:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.320



he doesn't care because it's all about again self interest. Yeah,87700:43:31.360 --> 00:43:34.480



it's self interesting. Honestly, this is last term, Like he87800:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.920



doesn't care. What comes next is what comes next is87900:43:38.000 --> 00:43:43.639



far more dangerous and more concerning. Peter feel backed JD.88000:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.159



Vance presidency has the ability to do far more damage88100:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.159



to this country than anything Trump's capable of doing because88200:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.000



his brain can't move fast enough.88300:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.400



The thing with Vance's I can see what you're saying88400:43:59.079 --> 00:44:01.840



and why it would be dangerous to the degree that88500:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.039



you're speaking or where you're coming from, because Vance is88600:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.159



a polished person who knows how to present himself and88700:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.360



knows how to speak while he's eloqu when he's educated,88800:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.679



he's everything. And Trump is educated too. But Trump just88900:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.960



doesn't care. You know, He's always been rich and famous,89000:44:16.960 --> 00:44:19.280



he's always been powerful, so in his mind, this was89100:44:19.400 --> 00:44:20.639



just another notch on his belt.89200:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.599



Honestly, you can tell he said in that interview in89300:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.559



his thirties that he would only because she asked him again,89400:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.599



can I never get her name right? But she asked him,89500:44:31.599 --> 00:44:33.199



would you run? And he said, I would only ever89600:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.360



run if I was broke because people would elect me89700:44:35.400 --> 00:44:38.239



because they'd feel sorry for him. He is so honest89800:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.519



in this interview in his thirties. Yeah, I mean, it's89900:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.960



a version of him that we don't see. And I90000:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.400



watched this thing from like from end to end with90100:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.239



my jaw on the ground because it was just so90200:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.519



fascinating to hear how open he was. But Trump is90300:44:52.559 --> 00:44:57.480



a guy that is just smart enough to get away90400:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.599



with a lot of things, and just smart enough to90500:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.920



keep the house of cards going and a lot of90600:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.519



that he learned from other people. Yeah, do you think90700:45:05.559 --> 00:45:10.000



he's done anything good? Oh? Yeah, yeah. I mean even90800:45:10.360 --> 00:45:12.880



when he's doing bad, I think he's doing good because90900:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.400



I think that you need the bad to breed the good.91000:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.679



So I think that if Trump is showing the worst91100:45:19.880 --> 00:45:24.119



signs the were sides of what this country has to offer,91200:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.440



that maybe it'll breed better leadership and maybe this is91300:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.800



rock bottom and we can actually get somewhere productive. But91400:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.320



I don't think the Democrats have anything to offer towards91500:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.960



that solution. No, they don't. We need we need a91600:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.719



guy like you. What we need is a guy like you.91700:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.440



Did you? Who is this girl who she just lost91800:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.679



but she was running with a discord and a TikTok,91900:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.199



you know what I'm talking about. No, I wish I92000:45:47.199 --> 00:45:49.400



could remember her name right now. Our last name was Fox.92100:45:50.239 --> 00:45:55.440



I really don't recall. Well, the primary was yesterday. The92200:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.000



primary was yesterday, And I apologize for not remembering her92300:45:59.079 --> 00:45:59.880



name her first name.92400:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.880



Literally, been doing nothing but interviews and podcasts, so like,92500:46:03.039 --> 00:46:06.239



I'm kind of disconnected, even though you know I should92600:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.079



know that, since it's the nature of my what I do.92700:46:08.239 --> 00:46:11.719



But yeah, I literally have been disconnected. I've just been92800:46:11.800 --> 00:46:15.800



having podcasts after podcasts after guests since and I'm finding92900:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.400



that I'm learning stuff from people I'm talking to in93000:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.159



real time. I'm like, what, I don't know that I should, So, yeah,93100:46:22.199 --> 00:46:23.840



I apologize, I don't.93200:46:24.280 --> 00:46:26.039



I really only got dialed into her in the last93300:46:26.760 --> 00:46:30.159



three days to be fair, right, So, but she she93400:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.599



didn't win, but her campaign she was. She's an influencer,93500:46:34.440 --> 00:46:38.840



and she wound up using discord. Interesting, and I think93600:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.760



that's that's really that the next generation. So I think93700:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.480



that when you talk about rebooting and overhauling, it'll be93800:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.440



a whole bunch of people that are doing direct to93900:46:48.559 --> 00:46:53.920



consumer politics that doesn't involve money, that just involves online organizing.94000:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.679



I mean, could you just imagine if they got rid94100:46:56.719 --> 00:46:59.159



of all of the lobbyists and influence.94200:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.639



You don't have to it, you just circumvent it. Why94300:47:02.719 --> 00:47:05.599



do we keep asking people for money? All right? Just94400:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.199



five more dollars, George, just listen, help me out, just94500:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.840



five more dollars. We didn't make our goal, and we're94600:47:11.840 --> 00:47:13.199



still not going to make our goal. And I'm going94700:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.440



to ask you again tomorrow, just five more dollars. I'm like,94800:47:16.519 --> 00:47:18.599



how much more money do you frigging people need. You're94900:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.320



running on the fact that people are barely getting by,95000:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.400



so stop asking for money. So the way we take95100:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.960



money out of politics is to just not allow money95200:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.920



to rule our politics. Start electing people using social media95300:47:32.000 --> 00:47:36.000



it's free. Well yeah, but that's that's not the people's choice. Really,95400:47:36.280 --> 00:47:40.280



that's up to the politician to do that. So there's95500:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.480



but she's a disruptor, and she's she's a proof of95600:47:42.559 --> 00:47:44.920



what's to come because somebody will do it louder and95700:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.119



harder than her, and maybe it will be her next time.95800:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.320



But when it's that disruptive, they won't be able to95900:47:50.559 --> 00:47:50.960



stop it.96000:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.280



Yeah, but it's it's also a big reason, like it's96100:47:54.320 --> 00:47:56.360



not new though, right, that's that's a big part of96200:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.400



why Trump got elected. He did take advantage of social media.96300:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.400



You know, he also had the money, but he was96400:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.519



a different extremely popular and social media.96500:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.840



Yeah, but that's but but look, I mean Trump, you96600:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.880



know they say he wasn't a politician. Trump was a politician, right,96700:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.960



He's a businessman. He was. He's a big time donor.96800:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.440



He may have been on the outside, but he was96900:48:16.599 --> 00:48:19.880



he was in that world. We're talking about young folks97000:48:19.960 --> 00:48:23.880



from the outside that aren't in it for money or97100:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.880



power or book deals that are like, hey, I got97200:48:26.960 --> 00:48:29.800



a job, let me just come do you know, pass97300:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.360



some legislation, get some stuff through, help the people, and97400:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.480



go home and go back to work. But that's the97500:48:35.480 --> 00:48:36.079



way it should be.97600:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.239



Yeah, But I mean that's the whole I mean, you're97700:48:38.239 --> 00:48:41.719



talking about a unicorn man, and honestly, you know, everybody97800:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.679



has that intent. There's okay, not everybody, but a lot97900:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.760



of people do have that intent. Most people who want98000:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.360



to get into politics want to change and help. They're98100:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.119



not necessarily getting into it because they know unless they98200:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.480



come up from a long line, you know, within a98300:48:53.519 --> 00:48:55.960



family that was already involved in politics. But most people98400:48:56.000 --> 00:48:57.719



from the outside, they don't know what they're getting into.98500:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.719



I think the corruption just it just comes with a job,98600:49:01.960 --> 00:49:03.719



and it's almost like you got to pick and choose98700:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.880



your battles and your poisons. I think most people start98800:49:07.000 --> 00:49:08.840



wanting to make a change, but once you get in there,98900:49:09.000 --> 00:49:12.119



it's I mean, it's it's a cess pullman, you know,99000:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.639



trying to ward all that stuff off, all all the99100:49:14.760 --> 00:49:18.159



all the influence, all the all the money, all how99200:49:18.199 --> 00:49:20.719



are everything that comes with it. It's hard to stay99300:49:20.800 --> 00:49:21.199



the course.99400:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.960



No, I get it, but that doesn't mean it can't99500:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.519



be done. And I mean, you know, if you just99600:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.480



look at innovation as a whole, it's never easy. But99700:49:30.199 --> 00:49:31.880



so one of the guys I interviewed when I first99800:49:31.880 --> 00:49:34.760



started my podcast was a guy former mayor by the99900:49:34.840 --> 00:49:38.360



name of Keith Ramos in New Jersey, small town. He100000:49:38.559 --> 00:49:41.760



got involved in the politics because he got involved with100100:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.280



politics because he went up to the current mayor at100200:49:44.320 --> 00:49:50.800



the time after a meeting, after a public meeting, and100300:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.239



ask him some questions about how money was being allocated.100400:49:54.719 --> 00:49:56.280



And the mayor turned to him and goes, you don't100500:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.119



ask me these kind of questions. I'm the king of100600:49:58.280 --> 00:50:01.800



this town. And he's like, did you really just say100700:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.760



that to me? And he ran and he beat this100800:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.199



guy and he was able. And I can't represent what100900:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.519



he did eloquently enough to even try right now, but101000:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.480



he made a difference in his town. And I said101100:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.559



to him, what's next, you know, like, because you would101200:50:20.599 --> 00:50:22.360



think now you move on right, you go a little101300:50:22.360 --> 00:50:24.760



bit higher up the ladder, but it comes back to101400:50:24.920 --> 00:50:26.840



just your point, and it's a lot of work. And101500:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.320



I don't you know, doesn't know if his family is101600:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.320



ready for it. And you know, once you dip your101700:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.760



toe into the bigger pool, you open yourself up to101800:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.320



all sorts of exposure and it's a big decision. But101900:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.519



this is a guy I was, a working class guy102000:50:40.599 --> 00:50:44.039



from the outside, didn't like what a politician said to102100:50:44.159 --> 00:50:48.360



his face and took the reins so it could be done. Oh,102200:50:48.440 --> 00:50:48.960



I know. Could.102300:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.599



I'm not trying to be too negative about it.102400:50:52.519 --> 00:50:54.159



I'm not saying this for your benefit. I know you102500:50:54.280 --> 00:50:56.760



know these things. I'm saying people listening because it's the102600:50:56.800 --> 00:50:58.199



people listening that are going to run.102700:50:58.559 --> 00:51:03.920



It's quite okay to have an opinion, and it's also102800:51:05.039 --> 00:51:09.400



okay to be disenchanted about the whole situation as far102900:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.239



as I feel, because it's we all want better, we103000:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.360



all want change. I don't disagree with what you said.103100:51:14.599 --> 00:51:18.960



Absolutely you're correct. If there's a possibility, fine, but there's103200:51:19.000 --> 00:51:20.639



nothing new under the sun. I mean, like you said,103300:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.360



the lady that was using discord whatever. Look, it's all103400:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.000



that is is the delivery. It's just the way you're communicating.103500:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.639



But outside of that, you still have to present yourself103600:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.519



as someone that the people want. You got to make103700:51:32.559 --> 00:51:34.599



people believe that you really, truly, in fact, do you103800:51:34.639 --> 00:51:35.960



want to make the change, and you're gonna do it103900:51:36.039 --> 00:51:39.400



on behalf of the people. And so now it comes104000:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.199



down to the reality, who's the better salesperson? Regardless of104100:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.800



what's in your heart, it's whoever the better sales person is.104200:51:46.159 --> 00:51:50.320



The fact of the matter is politics is really nothing104300:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.159



more than a high school popularity contest. There are so104400:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.519



many inept people without qualifications that are voted into positions104500:51:57.639 --> 00:51:58.760



just because oh.104600:51:58.719 --> 00:51:59.280



I know that name.104700:51:59.320 --> 00:52:01.599



They look on their Oh yeah, I've heard that commercial.104800:52:02.039 --> 00:52:03.239



You don't even know anything about the guy.104900:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.000



But so you're absolutely right. But that brings it right105000:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.840



back to our earlier conversation about television, because TV turned105100:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.440



it into a popularity contest. Yes, it did. In the105200:52:12.519 --> 00:52:14.880



era of radio, you would be able to listen to105300:52:14.960 --> 00:52:20.079



the message, not be staring at the messenger, right, But105400:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.199



there's still influence in radio as well, of course, but105500:52:23.880 --> 00:52:26.679



it was a huge shift to be able to now suddenly,105600:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.679



you know, optics literally factored in.105700:52:32.239 --> 00:52:33.800



Are you talking about government syops?105800:52:34.960 --> 00:52:36.800



No, I'm just talking about the fact that as soon105900:52:36.840 --> 00:52:38.920



as you have television and with you no I know,106000:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.440



but as soon as you have television the conversation just106100:52:41.519 --> 00:52:42.440



because oh, look at him.106200:52:42.920 --> 00:52:46.199



No, you're right, It's it's easier to manipulate with when106300:52:46.239 --> 00:52:49.239



you have the visual component. You can always imagine what106400:52:49.400 --> 00:52:51.519



the person is. You know, you could drum up. It's106500:52:51.559 --> 00:52:53.840



like reading a book, right, if you read a book,106600:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.239



Like movies and books are the same thing, really just106700:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.519



one's the visual component. But when you read the book,106800:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.880



you have a whole different idea of character, You have106900:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.880



an entire different idea of what this world is as107000:53:02.920 --> 00:53:04.719



person lives in. And then when you see the movie,107100:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.599



that's why you're disappointed. You're like, this is not what107200:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.159



I read. This isn't what I drumed up in my107300:53:10.320 --> 00:53:12.920



mind that I was getting behind, or what I loved.107400:53:13.519 --> 00:53:19.519



And so that visual component is needed to manipulate people absolutely,107500:53:20.239 --> 00:53:22.039



But with audio you can't. If it was just an107600:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.440



audio side, it's easy for the candidate to also hide107700:53:24.480 --> 00:53:27.440



behind as well. It's it's harder to make the connection.107800:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.760



It's some people are sad enough to tell when someone's lying.107900:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.639



Like you just look at and you're like, this guy's yeah,108000:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.039



this guy's full of shit, right, you could tell at108100:53:35.079 --> 00:53:37.639



the gate, but you know you're not wrong.108200:53:37.760 --> 00:53:40.320



Yeah, the visual component. It's Look, it's a big part108300:53:40.360 --> 00:53:41.719



of marketing. It's what it is. Everything.108400:53:41.760 --> 00:53:44.000



Everything we're talking about in campaign is just marketing and sales.108500:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.320



It doesn't matter what your stance is. It's how you108600:53:46.400 --> 00:53:46.880



can sell it.108700:53:47.159 --> 00:53:47.639



It really is.108800:53:48.079 --> 00:53:50.559



If you know how to talk and you're eloquent, that's108900:53:50.639 --> 00:53:52.719



what people are going to eat up. You know, it's109000:53:53.039 --> 00:53:55.960



in the Bomb administration is a big bondministration is a109100:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.840



big example of that. Everybody thinks he was the best ever.109200:54:00.119 --> 00:54:00.719



No, he wasn't.109300:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.239



He was an amazing speaker. He knew how to talk,109400:54:03.280 --> 00:54:05.280



he knew how to present, so when he spoke, you109500:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.320



had to pay attention and everything he said because of109600:54:08.440 --> 00:54:10.960



his timing, his you know, everything that he did and109700:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.599



how he spoke, people just ate it up. But not109800:54:13.760 --> 00:54:16.639



everything he did was great. And I'm not here to109900:54:16.679 --> 00:54:18.239



bash him. I'm just using him as an example of110000:54:18.360 --> 00:54:24.119



somebody that can be a very polished, presentable person if110100:54:24.199 --> 00:54:27.119



you keep your tone the way you need to keep it,110200:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.920



if you have a certain tone, if you have enough110300:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.960



pause that allows people to sit there and think. I mean, look,110400:54:32.960 --> 00:54:34.760



it's an old trick. If I'm talking to you and110500:54:34.800 --> 00:54:36.679



I just paused for three seconds something. I'm just going110600:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.440



to shake my head. That's an old sales trick. I was,110700:54:38.519 --> 00:54:39.719



you know, I had a sales rep firm. I know110800:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.440



how to do all this crap. And eventually you're just110900:54:42.480 --> 00:54:44.159



going to say the first thing on your mind.111000:54:44.000 --> 00:54:45.320



And you're either going to agree with me or not.111100:54:45.480 --> 00:54:47.119



But more than likely you're going to start agree with111200:54:47.199 --> 00:54:49.760



me because you don't want to have that awkward moment.111300:54:51.320 --> 00:54:54.760



Yeah. No, And the thing with Obama, I mean you're111400:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.280



talking about that, that's not just Obama. I mean, look,111500:54:58.360 --> 00:55:01.599



Obama's first term, I think he, you know, came out strong.111600:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.599



I think his second term was all lame duck. Obama111700:55:05.760 --> 00:55:10.119



had great speech writers and he was a strong orator.111800:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.880



So you know, when that guy can get up there111900:55:12.920 --> 00:55:17.400



and play the teleprompter like he's Hendricks, then yeah, it's112000:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.519



gonna work. Now people will some people will say Trump112100:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.159



is not a good messenger, but you could argue he's112200:55:23.199 --> 00:55:29.280



a very effective messenger for all the wrong reasons. So112300:55:29.760 --> 00:55:31.920



it just depends. I mean, part of it has to112400:55:31.960 --> 00:55:33.880



come with the tone of the country, right. I think112500:55:33.960 --> 00:55:36.719



that again we caught up to somebody like Trump or112600:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.480



enough people did where they're like, Okay, well we identify112700:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.480



with that as real talk. We'll take it. We don't112800:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.079



want to be spoken down to. Yeah.112900:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.360



I think I think what it was is, I think113000:55:47.360 --> 00:55:49.400



a lot of people felt he was saying what they113100:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.519



always wanted to say themselves, and he always has yeah,113200:55:52.679 --> 00:55:55.679



And they saw someone who wasn't ones that mincing words,113300:55:55.760 --> 00:55:59.079



wasn't holding back, like oh shit, now that's my guy.113400:55:59.440 --> 00:56:01.800



And that was the appeal. I really was the appeal.113500:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.320



And yes he is a politician, but look, we're not113600:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.519



going to fix this, Royce, We're not. I like having113700:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.079



this conversations. I like having you know, I like having113800:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.280



other people's perspective and what they think of the situation.113900:56:16.320 --> 00:56:17.360



I don't I don't know where we're going with this.114000:56:17.440 --> 00:56:21.159



I don't know what's next. I mean, honestly, I wish114100:56:21.239 --> 00:56:26.679



a president who was elected can just throw away the114200:56:26.760 --> 00:56:30.559



party politics. I'm tired of everything being so politicized. I114300:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.639



want the president to actually look out for America and114400:56:32.679 --> 00:56:35.280



look out for the people. It doesn't matter whether or114500:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.599



not the Republican Party is getting points to the Democratic114600:56:37.639 --> 00:56:39.159



parties get point. I think at that point, when you114700:56:39.159 --> 00:56:42.440



become president, you should be neutral. You should be centered, right,114800:56:42.719 --> 00:56:44.239



That's what you should be because you've got to work114900:56:44.280 --> 00:56:48.480



with both sides to get anything done. I don't know115000:56:48.599 --> 00:56:50.239



when that's going to change, but man, we need that115100:56:50.360 --> 00:56:50.920



so badly.115200:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.480



Really, I agree. I don't know how we get back115300:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.000



to it. And again, maybe maybe this is rock bottom115400:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.559



and there's nowhere to go but up. If it's not115500:56:58.800 --> 00:57:03.599



rock bottom, then we have unfortunately a long way to go. Agreed.115600:57:04.239 --> 00:57:06.400



So let's talk about media, because you kind of alluded115700:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.360



to that earlier when you're talking about podcasters and basically115800:57:10.199 --> 00:57:13.400



everybody having this this circle of friends, right, I see115900:57:13.400 --> 00:57:16.880



the same guys all over the place. They're all stroking116000:57:16.920 --> 00:57:18.960



each other's egos and patting each other on the back.116100:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.400



And you know, I could drop names because like you116200:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.159



got like the Dave Smith with the Tucker Carlson's and116300:57:24.199 --> 00:57:28.039



the Rogans, and then you know, now you have Daryl Cooper,116400:57:28.119 --> 00:57:31.239



the martyr made guy. It's like, no matter what happens116500:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.519



with Peers Morgan, no matter what anybody says, it seems116600:57:33.559 --> 00:57:36.199



like this whole team just jumps to their aid and goes, yeah,116700:57:36.280 --> 00:57:37.760



you're the you're the man. And you also got Dave116800:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.719



Smith thinking he wins every damn argument, there is a116900:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.400



debate regards of what he says or what his takes are.117000:57:43.800 --> 00:57:48.159



So I you know, the the problem I see with117100:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.960



that is, you know, it's a blatant to me, and117200:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.800



I don't know if everybody does intentional. But for example,117300:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.840



let's let's just talk about you don't have to, but117400:57:55.920 --> 00:57:58.280



I will. Let's just talk about like Daryl Cooper, for example.117500:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.679



I think he's an intelligent guy. He denies he's an historian,117600:58:01.719 --> 00:58:03.480



but then he says he is one. If someone calls117700:58:03.559 --> 00:58:04.840



him a historian, all of a sudden he has one.117800:58:05.159 --> 00:58:06.519



If he gets called on his shit, then all a117900:58:06.519 --> 00:58:10.519



sudden he's not. He makes comments right, all of a sudden.118000:58:10.599 --> 00:58:14.079



Hitler wasn't such a bad guy, you know, he was Okay,118100:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.519



he was just misunderstood. I don't understand what it is118200:58:17.599 --> 00:58:21.000



about this revisionist history bullshit that we're going through right now.118300:58:22.280 --> 00:58:24.280



And the reality is we could all look back one118400:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.119



hundred years, fifty years even and always say, you know,118500:58:28.400 --> 00:58:29.599



we should have done it this way.118600:58:30.079 --> 00:58:30.599



They were wrong.118700:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.719



There's a big difference of living through the time period118800:58:32.840 --> 00:58:36.280



versus scrutinizing what has been done before you were born.118900:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.599



So what are your thoughts on this? To me, it119000:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.119



just seems like this big circle of friends are just119100:58:42.199 --> 00:58:45.159



patting each other on the bat. They're pushing each other's narratives,119200:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.679



and it's like they're ganging up to keep control of media.119300:58:49.679 --> 00:58:53.039



Because podcasting is media. Podcasting is a big business, and119400:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.679



as many people who want to think that it isn't.119500:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.039



I hate to break it to you, but it's an industry.119600:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.280



What's your thoughts on what happening lately with this movement119700:59:02.559 --> 00:59:05.119



with these podcasters who just seem to be doing nothing119800:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.280



but making sure that they're the first and only voice heard,119900:59:08.920 --> 00:59:13.079



and anybody who has an objection is suddenly a deranged120000:59:13.159 --> 00:59:14.960



idiot that doesn't have their facts straight.120100:59:15.800 --> 00:59:17.840



Well, the first thing I think of is like an120200:59:17.880 --> 00:59:21.239



Ian Carroll, Okay, yeah, because when you talk about the120300:59:21.320 --> 00:59:25.159



Holocaust and Hitler and all of these I shouldn't say all,120400:59:25.480 --> 00:59:30.920



but a lot of these folks they they practice a120500:59:32.960 --> 00:59:39.639



how can I say this, They practice a faux intellectual curiosity. Okay,120600:59:40.119 --> 00:59:43.840



So it becomes okay to ask questions in their mind,120700:59:44.800 --> 00:59:48.599



all right, and in the in the guise of well,120800:59:48.639 --> 00:59:51.000



we don't know this and we don't know that, and120900:59:51.119 --> 00:59:56.079



it becomes this fake intellectual curiosity, but it's very, very dangerous,121000:59:56.960 --> 00:59:58.840



and they love to do that when it comes to121100:59:58.920 --> 01:00:05.400



the Holocaust and anti Semitism. Okay, I think from the121201:00:06.159 --> 01:00:11.719



independent content creator journalist perspective, I don't think there's much121301:00:11.760 --> 01:00:15.079



of a thing as an independent content creator. If you121401:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.920



go look at most of these folks, the big ones,121501:00:19.280 --> 01:00:22.840



not all a lot of them. They trace back to121601:00:23.039 --> 01:00:28.519



night coo okay, they trace back to Chernin, Peter Chernan's121701:00:28.599 --> 01:00:34.079



Churning Group, which is backed by Katari money, the Qia Okay,121801:00:34.519 --> 01:00:38.000



Chernin has investment. The Churning Group has investments in Spotify,121901:00:38.320 --> 01:00:41.960



which obviously has a deal with Brogan. They're invested in Nightco,122001:00:42.440 --> 01:00:47.480



which manages Chi Senate and Hassan I believe, and the122101:00:47.880 --> 01:00:51.559



Costco guys. So when you see all these independent creators,122201:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.519



whether we're talking politics or we're just talking creators, they're122301:00:55.639 --> 01:00:59.480



generally being funded and managed by only a handful of people.122401:00:59.840 --> 01:01:02.960



They have the illusion of independent. Go down that rabbit122501:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.159



hole of Nightco. I think it was his name, Red Rusher,122601:01:05.639 --> 01:01:08.719



Go down that rabbit hole of Nightco and Churning Group,122701:01:08.800 --> 01:01:11.800



and you see how much of that money is all122801:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.280



that those independent companies funnel back to that money.122901:01:16.559 --> 01:01:19.599



I think you think it's just being controlled by just123001:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.840



a small handful of people, like, here's the personality we123101:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.559



can get behind this guy, and now once they got123201:01:25.639 --> 01:01:27.679



him to a certain level, they're just controlling the narrative.123301:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.199



No, I don't think it's that thought out. I think123401:01:30.239 --> 01:01:32.800



it's more like, no, I really don't. I think it's123501:01:32.840 --> 01:01:35.480



more like, this is business and we don't really give123601:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.800



a ship what people are saying on either side as123701:01:37.840 --> 01:01:42.000



long as they're keeping things murky and people arguing, right, okay,123801:01:42.280 --> 01:01:46.239



because at the top, none of this exists. They're all123901:01:46.480 --> 01:01:49.239



all these politicians on both sides of the aisle are124001:01:49.360 --> 01:01:52.760



doing blow and shots on K Street together. Okay, to124101:01:52.840 --> 01:01:56.880



go back to Gavin Newsom, Gavin Newsom's ex wife was124201:01:57.000 --> 01:02:01.920



dating Donald Junior Trump Junior. Yeah, okay, it's all everybody's.124301:02:02.199 --> 01:02:06.199



Everybody's hanging out. Okay. So at a certain level, they're124401:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.400



all they're all in there in their one percent club,124501:02:10.159 --> 01:02:13.239



all right, and we're stuck playing this this game of124601:02:13.360 --> 01:02:17.360



party politics or identity politics, or whatever you want to124701:02:17.400 --> 01:02:19.599



call it. And I and I just think that we124801:02:20.280 --> 01:02:23.880



were blinded by that because at the end of the day. Uh,124901:02:24.760 --> 01:02:27.800



it's it's are there people out there trying to do125001:02:27.840 --> 01:02:33.320



an independent thing? Yes, I don't think that the controlled125101:02:33.400 --> 01:02:38.000



independent media is necessarily being handed a narrative. But I125201:02:38.159 --> 01:02:41.559



think when the people at the top are making money125301:02:42.199 --> 01:02:44.440



off of whatever they're saying, they don't give a shit125401:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.400



what they're saying because ultimately they get the final word125501:02:47.440 --> 01:02:49.480



because they control the purse strings. Yeah.125601:02:50.039 --> 01:02:55.000



But these guys are also extremely disingenuous. Oh yeah, because125701:02:55.760 --> 01:03:00.159



Sean Ryan, for example, I remember watching one of his125801:03:00.760 --> 01:03:05.000



appearances on Talker for example, the whole time, I'm not125901:03:05.159 --> 01:03:06.599



in it for the money. I hate the money. I'll126001:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.360



never do it at the And on the other hand, oh,126101:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.480



I'm building this multimillion dollar studio.126201:03:11.559 --> 01:03:12.199



Well, which is it.126301:03:13.079 --> 01:03:14.199



You want to do it or you don't want to126401:03:14.239 --> 01:03:15.679



do You're in it for the money or not. If126501:03:15.880 --> 01:03:18.159



you didn't care, why are you putting so much investment126601:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.719



of your time and money into this thing? Like it126701:03:21.800 --> 01:03:22.719



doesn't make any sense.126801:03:23.480 --> 01:03:25.719



Yeah, there's a lot of people like that come to126901:03:25.840 --> 01:03:28.079



mind that you're just in this for money, you know,127001:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.559



because if you all got together and actually wanted to127101:03:30.800 --> 01:03:33.719



affect something, you could, but you don't want to erode127201:03:33.760 --> 01:03:36.039



your revenue. I mean, there are some people out there.127301:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.039



I like that. There's some that I can think of,127401:03:38.159 --> 01:03:39.360



and I really I don't want to get in the127501:03:39.400 --> 01:03:43.920



pointing fingers because some of these people I kind of127601:03:44.000 --> 01:03:46.760



have dealt with in the past, so I don't feel127701:03:46.800 --> 01:03:51.519



like blowing that up yet yet. But there's some organizations127801:03:51.559 --> 01:03:58.320



out there that went from anti Trump to fundraising off127901:03:58.400 --> 01:04:01.800



of that too. Now we're a media company and we're128001:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.639



no longer a pack and you're like, oh, so this128101:04:04.800 --> 01:04:08.920



whole thing was just a scheme to launch a media enterprise,128201:04:09.159 --> 01:04:12.880



and now all you did was fundraise to build prop128301:04:13.000 --> 01:04:16.880



up your quote unquote independent media outlet, you know, and128401:04:16.960 --> 01:04:20.760



now you're out there continuing that grift. Yeah, well the128501:04:20.840 --> 01:04:24.440



grift is real. Listen, I've been accused of grifting. I'm128601:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.760



a live streamer from TikTok. That's all I've been accused128701:04:26.800 --> 01:04:27.360



of is grifting.128801:04:27.519 --> 01:04:29.880



It's okay, it's it's and it's not for me to128901:04:29.960 --> 01:04:33.840



get you to talk badly about anyone in particular. But129001:04:34.159 --> 01:04:36.199



you know, I don't have a problem calling out people.129101:04:36.360 --> 01:04:36.920



I never have.129201:04:37.079 --> 01:04:41.719



I can care less because the reality is somebody has129301:04:41.760 --> 01:04:44.079



to and there's people out there they say stuff about129401:04:44.119 --> 01:04:46.719



me too, like who cares? You know, at some point129501:04:46.840 --> 01:04:49.440



you've got to be able to stand for truth if129601:04:49.480 --> 01:04:51.639



you can, or the truth we know anyway, because again,129701:04:52.039 --> 01:04:53.800



you know, it's like like I said, everything that we129801:04:53.920 --> 01:04:56.039



know in our assessments, in our opinions are only as129901:04:56.079 --> 01:04:58.480



good as the information we get period. You know, And130001:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.920



I've always said, we're you know, right today, wrong tomorrow130101:05:01.440 --> 01:05:02.159



always happens.130201:05:02.519 --> 01:05:05.400



You're never going to be in Yeah, you're never going130301:05:05.440 --> 01:05:06.440



to be information. Yeah.130401:05:06.840 --> 01:05:09.639



So but when I when I when I see what130501:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.199



you just mentioned, the Grift for example, when I see130601:05:12.239 --> 01:05:14.679



someone like and I'll just keep drumming it because I130701:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.559



can care less about what this guy thinks. But let's130801:05:16.599 --> 01:05:18.039



say like a Dave Smith. And it's not because I130901:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.039



hate him, I don't. I actually I respected his intelligence.131001:05:21.079 --> 01:05:22.480



I thought he was great when he first came out,131101:05:22.840 --> 01:05:26.840



But now you can clearly see it's like he's just131201:05:27.000 --> 01:05:28.639



kind of just going with what works.131301:05:29.519 --> 01:05:29.679



You know.131401:05:30.360 --> 01:05:33.760



It's it's always the same argument, the same thing. We131501:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.440



don't have to stay on him. I just use him131601:05:35.440 --> 01:05:37.159



as an example. No, but but and I don't really131701:05:37.199 --> 01:05:38.000



know much about him.131801:05:38.000 --> 01:05:39.360



I know the name. But let me ask you this. No,131901:05:39.440 --> 01:05:41.079



I'm just using him as an example. Yeah, but let132001:05:41.119 --> 01:05:43.960



me ask you from the from the perspective of grifting. Yeah,132101:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.719



isn't it really all about perceived value? And I can132201:05:47.840 --> 01:05:50.079



argue both sides of this, But isn't it really about132301:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.440



like how how many people pay for Netflix and do132401:05:53.599 --> 01:05:56.320



nothing but scroll the menu and never why you look132501:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.440



at forty things like I think I'll watch nothing, I'll132601:05:58.480 --> 01:06:02.719



just go to bed. So is that a grift? I mean,132701:06:02.800 --> 01:06:04.159



if you pay it and never use it, is it132801:06:04.199 --> 01:06:08.760



a grift? So I think that if people are grabbing132901:06:09.480 --> 01:06:14.719



their information from a Joe Walsh okay, and he's becoming133001:06:14.800 --> 01:06:18.800



their news source, then is it so wrong that they133101:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.719



choose to subscribe to him and help bankroll him. I133201:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.239



think the problem I have is that there's such an133301:06:25.280 --> 01:06:31.159



oversaturation of this stuff that people just get further siloed. Well, So.133401:06:32.679 --> 01:06:37.360



I say, what a grift is my opinion and the133501:06:37.400 --> 01:06:40.400



way I see it and understand it is when someone133601:06:40.519 --> 01:06:44.679



is literally disingenuous. Okay, there's someone who doesn't necessarily believe133701:06:44.719 --> 01:06:47.840



in all the bullshit that they're spewing, but they said something,133801:06:48.480 --> 01:06:52.199



they presented something that got them the attention. Now they133901:06:52.280 --> 01:06:55.280



know what works, and now they just keep spitting out134001:06:55.320 --> 01:06:57.800



and spewing the same old crap over and over because134101:06:57.800 --> 01:06:59.719



they know that that formula is going to get them134201:07:00.159 --> 01:07:04.559



the eyeballs. Those are grifters in the in the most134301:07:04.599 --> 01:07:07.760



literal sense. Yes, so that that's my take on it.134401:07:08.199 --> 01:07:11.400



I don't care that someone iurological guy. I mean the134501:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.039



Internet trolls, they consider what we're doing right now grift.134601:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.440



Oh yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, I understand,134701:07:18.079 --> 01:07:19.920



but I don't. I don't have I don't.134801:07:20.000 --> 01:07:21.840



I don't care that someone makes money. I mean, why134901:07:21.880 --> 01:07:25.039



should you not be able to earn a living doing135001:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.320



what you like. I'm not against that whatsoever. I was135101:07:28.679 --> 01:07:30.960



what I meant by a grift is exactly what I said,135201:07:31.159 --> 01:07:34.079



or just just now in how I defined it is.135301:07:34.280 --> 01:07:37.880



It's like, look, dude, you know you don't really believe135401:07:37.920 --> 01:07:40.920



in what you're saying because just three years ago, just135501:07:41.000 --> 01:07:42.719



three years ago, and I don't even say names were135601:07:42.760 --> 01:07:47.840



just hypothetically you said Trump was was an asshole. Now135701:07:47.880 --> 01:07:51.199



you're licking his boots. That's a grifter, because now licking135801:07:51.239 --> 01:07:54.440



Trump's boots is what gets him paid. Okay, I get135901:07:54.480 --> 01:07:56.639



you gotta pay bills, but the reasons you're doing it,136001:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.719



I'm sorry. You are being disingenuous. You are grifting, and136101:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.840



that's what a grifter is, and so that's what I'm136201:08:01.880 --> 01:08:02.440



talking about.136301:08:02.599 --> 01:08:07.800



I'm not talking you consider JD. Vance a grifter? You136401:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.000



know what. I think he is. Definitely.136501:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.280



I definitely think he's biden his time. I think he136601:08:14.639 --> 01:08:17.159



is probably to be honest, if I had to say, yeah,136701:08:17.159 --> 01:08:18.600



I think he is kind of a grifter. He is136801:08:18.720 --> 01:08:22.119



someone who jumped on the ticket. I think he's using136901:08:22.199 --> 01:08:24.479



Trump to get where he needs to go. But I137001:08:24.520 --> 01:08:27.279



don't know if he believes in everything that Trump does whatsoever.137101:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.880



I really don't think I think Vance is the cleanup guy.137201:08:31.720 --> 01:08:33.760



Because you were like describing all that, and I'm like,137301:08:33.840 --> 01:08:38.279



you are painting the picture of JD. Vance. That's that's137401:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.640



what That's what I see. That's just what I see.137501:08:40.960 --> 01:08:43.920



I I agree with you. He's intelligent. He is. He is,137601:08:44.039 --> 01:08:46.760



He's very intelligent. But I don't believe he's bought in.137701:08:47.039 --> 01:08:51.359



I just don't. I I think that it's the same137801:08:51.399 --> 01:08:55.800



thing with Marco Rubio. You know, I can see that definitely,137901:08:55.960 --> 01:08:59.399



these guys are in it for their career advancement. Unlike138001:08:59.439 --> 01:09:02.399



a guy like Pete Hegseth, who is in it? Because138101:09:02.640 --> 01:09:04.880



how do I turn down this opportunity? Of course I'm138201:09:04.880 --> 01:09:06.319



gonna take it. And then he gets it, he goes,138301:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.239



this is a lot of work. I think I'll have138401:09:09.319 --> 01:09:14.199



a drink, right, you know, did you see the video138501:09:14.319 --> 01:09:19.279



of him with the drone delivering up the document? Like138601:09:19.399 --> 01:09:23.239



what are we doing? It's fun even your videos, like138701:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.760



you said, you have to laugh, yeah, but like it what?138801:09:26.079 --> 01:09:29.840



First of all, there's nothing impressive about a drone carrying138901:09:30.399 --> 01:09:34.840



a payload of one sheet of paper. No, like like139001:09:35.079 --> 01:09:37.920



what it should have been is a document like like139101:09:38.199 --> 01:09:42.520



like like gorilla taped to a concrete block. Okay, and139201:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.800



the drone flies in a concrete block and he takes139301:09:45.840 --> 01:09:48.920



the paper off the block. But there's nothing impressive about139401:09:48.920 --> 01:09:51.319



a drone flying in a piece of paper. That doesn't139501:09:51.359 --> 01:09:55.880



say masculinity. That's his small penis. That's like that makes139601:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.520



me think of Andrew Tait. When I think of small penis,139701:09:58.560 --> 01:10:01.159



I think of Andrew Tate. Get me started on that guy.139801:10:01.640 --> 01:10:04.479



I'm trying to because you can't stand him. Listen. I139901:10:04.520 --> 01:10:06.359



wish you remember pay per view in the nineties. I140001:10:06.600 --> 01:10:08.079



would love to get in the ring with that guy.140101:10:08.359 --> 01:10:10.239



I don't care if I lose. I just want to140201:10:10.319 --> 01:10:10.920



punch him in the.140301:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.279



Face, right, you know he brought him up. Let's talk140401:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.920



about Tate like. I'm gonna let you start it because140501:10:17.920 --> 01:10:19.079



you obviously have a lot to say.140601:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.319



I just think he's got a small penis and I look,140701:10:22.399 --> 01:10:24.119



the only reason I can say this is because he's140801:10:24.319 --> 01:10:26.520



he's jumping around in that little bikini all the time.140901:10:26.680 --> 01:10:29.359



I'm not asking to see these photos, he's putting them141001:10:29.359 --> 01:10:31.600



out there. I'm like you, there's nothing about you that141101:10:31.680 --> 01:10:35.760



says man. You are like an AI generated version of masculinity.141201:10:37.520 --> 01:10:38.279



I can agree with that.141301:10:38.720 --> 01:10:40.520



I think I think the guy is just a h141401:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.800



He's just a scammer. Literally, well, he's a grifter. I mean,141501:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.439



come on, is his his online university?141601:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.840



Have you ever looked at that crap? Only to the141701:10:50.920 --> 01:10:52.520



extent that I know would exists? But no, I haven't141801:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.399



like signed up if that's what you're asking. Oh no, no,141901:10:54.680 --> 01:10:57.880



I wasn't asking. I'm not sure where you go. No,142001:10:58.079 --> 01:11:01.560



but look, have these stupid courses on how you can142101:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.439



make money? I got a webcam, girls and all that shit.142201:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.199



The paper route you're doing it wrong, you know, shit142301:11:07.319 --> 01:11:07.439



like that.142401:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.239



I know I'm being facetious, but just saying it's like,142501:11:10.319 --> 01:11:13.800



it's that bad and people buy into this crap and142601:11:14.119 --> 01:11:14.960



they said, I.142701:11:14.960 --> 01:11:17.680



Would have you wouldn't do the web girl the webcam business.142801:11:17.720 --> 01:11:19.479



You got like eight girls to do webcams, and you142901:11:19.520 --> 01:11:22.479



sit around and driving a nice car and sitting in143001:11:22.520 --> 01:11:25.760



a bikini drinking whatever he's drinking. I got life.143101:11:26.399 --> 01:11:29.279



Well, yeah, it's imagine being then insecure that that's what143201:11:29.399 --> 01:11:32.119



you have to do. It's it's the problem is that143301:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.520



he is presenting that as the life that a man143401:11:34.680 --> 01:11:39.279



should have. I mean, that's your thing, great, that's you whatever.143501:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.279



No, I know you were, but I know there's always143601:11:42.319 --> 01:11:44.000



that one out there who's like, oh wow, he's really143701:11:44.039 --> 01:11:44.319



into me.143801:11:46.239 --> 01:11:48.760



I think it's just so ridiculous that that these young,143901:11:49.119 --> 01:11:52.119



younger men are buying into this, Like if he is144001:11:52.279 --> 01:11:56.560



the beacon of manhood, we're in trouble. I'm sorry. There's144101:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.640



nothing masculine as you said about him. He is absolutely drifting.144201:11:59.680 --> 01:12:03.039



He's he's just really manipulating and molding young people's minds144301:12:03.079 --> 01:12:05.640



to believe that if you act like me, you treat144401:12:05.720 --> 01:12:09.520



women badly and you make bad investments that you're you're144501:12:09.560 --> 01:12:12.199



gonna be a great person, You're gonna be successful individual.144601:12:13.119 --> 01:12:15.920



Everything he's doing is just look, it's a house of cards.144701:12:15.960 --> 01:12:18.560



Man. He know it's weak. He's a weak person. He144801:12:18.680 --> 01:12:19.520



is weak, you know.144901:12:19.640 --> 01:12:21.319



And and and sure, when he gets mad enough, all145001:12:21.359 --> 01:12:23.319



of a sudden, it's like, oh, you know, let's get145101:12:23.359 --> 01:12:26.119



in the ring. Like, bro, listen, that ship sailed. Sure,145201:12:26.159 --> 01:12:28.640



that's that's when his lisp starts flying.145301:12:28.880 --> 01:12:30.439



Yeah. Yeah, And I can only make fun of that145401:12:30.479 --> 01:12:32.640



because I had a lisp as a kid. So don't145501:12:32.680 --> 01:12:35.359



come for me because I overcame it. He didn't. And145601:12:35.439 --> 01:12:38.439



then he gets really upset and he's like, dolls'll get145701:12:38.479 --> 01:12:40.720



in the bring, would you okay, I'll beat you up.145801:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.920



British comes out. Yeah, like you know what he looks like.145901:12:45.039 --> 01:12:49.279



He looks like like if Bam Bam from the Flintstone146001:12:49.520 --> 01:12:53.039



grew up, but like never saw a therapist, you know146101:12:53.039 --> 01:12:55.279



what I mean? Because he's like he's like bam bam146201:12:56.840 --> 01:12:58.800



like and I can't get that out of my head. Yeah,146301:12:58.880 --> 01:13:01.800



give him, give him like a giant drum stickers to146401:13:01.920 --> 01:13:04.680



the chicken wing and uh and put them in one146501:13:04.720 --> 01:13:08.079



of those Cocta things and it looks chromagnom so so146601:13:08.199 --> 01:13:11.880



we were Box Adventure from Turbographics. Remember Box Adventures? Yes,146701:13:13.439 --> 01:13:17.159



I remember that ship. You're going back? Hey? What what?146801:13:17.399 --> 01:13:17.680



What is?146901:13:17.760 --> 01:13:20.159



What are your thoughts that I have thoughts? We probably147001:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.399



were very much on the same page with this guy. Uh,147101:13:23.520 --> 01:13:27.960



what were your thoughts about these podcasts, these conservative podcasts147201:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.439



that got behind this guy and platform him and gave147301:13:30.520 --> 01:13:33.000



him the ability to do this podcast too? Like why147401:13:33.079 --> 01:13:35.840



why is Patrick pick David having someone like him? You147501:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.920



know that that made no sense to me? Like there147601:13:38.960 --> 01:13:41.560



there were there were, there was everybody. Yeah, Cannas owns147701:13:41.600 --> 01:13:43.640



behind him, like she's gone off the deband anyway. But147801:13:43.960 --> 01:13:47.039



I'm just saying that what what what was behind that147901:13:47.159 --> 01:13:47.680



in your mind?148001:13:47.760 --> 01:13:49.760



Like why? I mean, did they need the money that bad?148101:13:49.840 --> 01:13:52.079



They need the eyeballs that bad that they would lower148201:13:52.159 --> 01:13:54.880



their standards enough to platform this guy.148301:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.720



It's all self interested again. And Cannas Owen's husband is148401:13:58.880 --> 01:14:03.520



like best friends with Andrew Tape, so so there's there's148501:14:03.560 --> 01:14:05.840



real connections there, and I think sometimes you just do148601:14:05.960 --> 01:14:09.359



it to save phase, you know, And it's all about clout, right,148701:14:09.439 --> 01:14:12.399



It's all about clout, which is why people play the circles.148801:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.319



You know, you're talking a lot about folks on the148901:14:16.239 --> 01:14:18.960



the conservative leaning side, and I can think of a149001:14:19.000 --> 01:14:23.199



lot of people on the left leaning side of things149101:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.479



that do the same things. I mean, like Lev Parness149201:14:26.800 --> 01:14:29.439



and Michael Cohen, Like how many times do these guys149301:14:29.520 --> 01:14:31.800



need to go live on a podcast and talk to149401:14:31.880 --> 01:14:35.199



the same twelve people? Like how much more does Michael149501:14:35.239 --> 01:14:37.560



Cohen have to offer this world? Or is he just149601:14:37.680 --> 01:14:39.760



there to get his five bucks a month. I don't know,149701:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.399



I don't know. You know, a great point, it really is.149801:14:42.560 --> 01:14:46.800



It seems like the ability for since we're talking about149901:14:46.800 --> 01:14:51.479



podcasting now, the ability for anybody who has the hope150001:14:51.520 --> 01:14:53.000



in the dream to build.150101:14:52.760 --> 01:14:53.439



Something as.150201:14:55.279 --> 01:14:59.600



An independent podcaster. It seems like the window of opportunity150301:14:59.600 --> 01:15:02.760



of the doors just being close to you. Because in150401:15:02.840 --> 01:15:04.800



the beginning was the wild West, like anybody could just150501:15:04.840 --> 01:15:07.359



get in there. Anybody can get in there and become,150601:15:08.560 --> 01:15:10.359



you know, some a bit of a success in terms150701:15:10.399 --> 01:15:12.800



of a following right right in the beginning, there wasn't150801:15:12.800 --> 01:15:15.760



as many options. But now we're looking at what was150901:15:15.800 --> 01:15:19.239



it they said last report, over five million podcasts out there.151001:15:19.279 --> 01:15:19.399



Now.151101:15:19.439 --> 01:15:21.000



It doesn't mean all of them are active, but Still151201:15:21.000 --> 01:15:24.600



you got a huge saturation of choices, and who's going151301:15:24.680 --> 01:15:26.680



to be presented to you when you open your app?151401:15:27.159 --> 01:15:31.880



You know they and these apps are like okay, like Apple, Spotify. Look,151501:15:31.960 --> 01:15:34.920



I've done enough in business to understand how it works.151601:15:34.960 --> 01:15:36.800



I've been in sales. I understand how this works.151701:15:37.199 --> 01:15:37.880



They deny that.151801:15:38.159 --> 01:15:40.439



No, no, no, we don't take money. There's no such thing.151901:15:40.520 --> 01:15:42.760



These people all play the game bullshit. You guys are152001:15:42.760 --> 01:15:45.479



all lying. They all got big pockets behind them. The152101:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.239



only reason that every time you open Apple, for example,152201:15:48.319 --> 01:15:51.439



and you see let's say, hot Save America is because152301:15:51.439 --> 01:15:54.279



there's enough money to keep them on the front page,152401:15:54.359 --> 01:15:55.880



just not because of their damn downloads.152501:15:56.279 --> 01:15:56.439



Man.152601:15:56.880 --> 01:15:58.520



Look, there was a time I was in the top152701:15:58.560 --> 01:16:01.000



one hundred in politics on Apple and most people probably152801:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.359



even know who I am. You didn't see me on152901:16:04.479 --> 01:16:07.479



every Apple splash page right when you open it.153001:16:07.600 --> 01:16:08.079



No you didn't.153101:16:08.439 --> 01:16:12.159



So it's a bunch of lies and manipulation and bullshit.153201:16:12.439 --> 01:16:14.640



And it's unfortunate that you have voices out there like153301:16:14.960 --> 01:16:16.920



I personally, Royce, I don't know what you do, but153401:16:16.920 --> 01:16:18.600



I don't even listen to a lot of big guys anymore.153501:16:18.640 --> 01:16:20.600



Unless there's like a certain interview I want to hear.153601:16:21.199 --> 01:16:23.159



I support a lot of independence. I really do, because153701:16:23.159 --> 01:16:26.359



there's a lot of good quality independent podcasters out there153801:16:26.359 --> 01:16:27.720



who are going to do the work. They're going to153901:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.239



do the deep dive. They have other jobs and in154001:16:30.319 --> 01:16:33.000



their spare time, they are really putting their all into this,154101:16:33.680 --> 01:16:35.800



and I respect those people.154201:16:35.920 --> 01:16:36.039



You know.154301:16:36.079 --> 01:16:38.239



I'm one of those people period, You know, I am.154401:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.000



This isn't This isn't where I make my money. You know,154501:16:41.319 --> 01:16:44.079



I make my money elsewhere. But I love doing this154601:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.720



and I felt that I had a voice, so I said, hey,154701:16:46.840 --> 01:16:48.720



let me go ahead and do what I can. And154801:16:48.840 --> 01:16:51.600



on some episodes, man, I sound like an encyclopedia because154901:16:51.640 --> 01:16:52.600



I will dig that deep.155001:16:52.600 --> 01:16:53.600



I get highper focused.155101:16:54.119 --> 01:16:58.640



So I think that, you know, the window of opportunity, unfortunately,155201:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.640



is getting narrower, and it's very sad to see that155301:17:01.760 --> 01:17:03.479



this has become an industry. I have a person I155401:17:03.600 --> 01:17:06.039



know that has been podcasting for a very long time,155501:17:06.119 --> 01:17:08.159



and you knows some people that are in the industry155601:17:08.239 --> 01:17:11.640



that are pretty well known people, and he still wants155701:17:11.680 --> 01:17:13.079



to hold on to the fact. He looks at it155801:17:13.239 --> 01:17:15.560



as you know, it's just like bands, you know, it's155901:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.840



just like being in a band and all of this.156001:17:18.079 --> 01:17:19.800



You know, it's not an industry. It's punk rock.156101:17:19.880 --> 01:17:23.039



Now. I'm sorry, it's not anymore. And that's unfortunately. I156201:17:23.159 --> 01:17:26.560



wish it wasn't. That was not the truth, but it is.156301:17:27.000 --> 01:17:27.560



It really is.156401:17:27.720 --> 01:17:29.800



So how does because you've been doing this for a156501:17:29.840 --> 01:17:32.520



long time, how does someone become successful? And that could156601:17:32.520 --> 01:17:35.439



be many things. It doesn't necessarily mean rich, But how156701:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.000



would you be able to be able to get your156801:17:38.079 --> 01:17:40.680



voice heard and also be able to do this for156901:17:40.760 --> 01:17:42.880



a living to where you know, maybe you make enough157001:17:42.960 --> 01:17:43.760



to keep it going?157101:17:43.960 --> 01:17:48.159



For example, how to set that I could tell I157201:17:48.239 --> 01:17:52.000



mean I had for the post pandemic, I made a157301:17:52.119 --> 01:17:56.000



living live streaming on TikTok, and you could look at157401:17:56.039 --> 01:17:58.600



the metrics on TikTok and my success on TikTok and157501:17:58.720 --> 01:18:00.960



think that it was really, really imporant pgressive. But as157601:18:01.039 --> 01:18:03.359



soon as you took it out of that ecosystem, it157701:18:03.439 --> 01:18:08.399



didn't scale, it didn't carry over into other platforms. I157801:18:08.960 --> 01:18:15.159



have decided to break it in pursuit of growing further,157901:18:15.680 --> 01:18:19.439



much along the same thought process of what you're asking,158001:18:19.600 --> 01:18:23.439



because it comes down to if you're really gonna do this,158101:18:23.760 --> 01:18:26.000



and if you've done it long enough that you're now158201:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.439



in it, And I'm like, oh, okay, well I didn't158301:18:29.439 --> 01:18:31.640



expect to still be here and now I'm here, So158401:18:31.840 --> 01:18:35.039



now what's next. I can't do this forever. So that's158501:18:35.079 --> 01:18:37.680



the evolution, right, And if you're going to stick with158601:18:37.840 --> 01:18:41.079



it the most. Look, I've gotten to the point where158701:18:41.079 --> 01:18:44.920



I'm like, I just you're gonna get all of me. Okay,158801:18:45.079 --> 01:18:47.159



there was a time when you wouldn't. You're gonna get158901:18:47.199 --> 01:18:50.319



all of me. And if I lose followers, so be it.159001:18:50.960 --> 01:18:55.159



But I'm hoping that I have five hundred really really159101:18:55.359 --> 01:18:58.680



passionate people that are interested about anything that I have159201:18:58.880 --> 01:19:01.680



going on, that they can help lift up anything that159301:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.119



I have going on. And I think that that's the159401:19:04.279 --> 01:19:07.920



long term proposition. You know, I have six hundred and159501:19:07.960 --> 01:19:11.520



fifty thousand followers on TikTok, but if I go live,159601:19:11.960 --> 01:19:14.520



there might only be two hundred people watching any given home.159701:19:14.920 --> 01:19:18.600



It's all bullshit, right. So then I go over to159801:19:18.680 --> 01:19:21.479



my sub stack and my core people are there, and159901:19:21.560 --> 01:19:23.159



those are the people that are on my Twitch and160001:19:23.239 --> 01:19:26.760



my youth They're everywhere. So I think that part of160101:19:26.840 --> 01:19:29.640



it has to be as weird as this sounds. It160201:19:29.720 --> 01:19:32.640



has to be not focusing on the money that's short term.160301:19:33.399 --> 01:19:36.039



You have to go long term and build something that160401:19:36.239 --> 01:19:39.880



provides value for people. When I'm not live, people want160501:19:39.920 --> 01:19:41.920



me to go live. I mean, I used to provide160601:19:41.960 --> 01:19:45.920



a very specific type of stream. But now the people160701:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.479



that I have gotten rid of and the people that160801:19:48.560 --> 01:19:51.760



I have kind of whittled it down to, don't just160901:19:51.920 --> 01:19:55.479



watch me sit here and do like what I'll call161001:19:55.600 --> 01:19:57.760



office hours where I'm like, guys, I just got to161101:19:57.800 --> 01:19:59.479



go through notes and clean off my desk, but I161201:19:59.560 --> 01:20:03.920



haven't been live today. And and if I went to161301:20:04.039 --> 01:20:06.760



the parks where I used to stream, and I pay161401:20:06.880 --> 01:20:10.119



and I played the game, I can make hundreds of dollars.161501:20:11.319 --> 01:20:13.520



But I got to work the leaderboards and work the161601:20:13.600 --> 01:20:16.760



gifting and do the whole thing. So that's short term money,161701:20:16.840 --> 01:20:21.159



which is nice, yes, But I'm now, folks correct, So161801:20:21.399 --> 01:20:24.439



now it's more valuable to be like, guys, I didn't161901:20:24.439 --> 01:20:25.960



make it to the park today, but let me show162001:20:25.960 --> 01:20:29.319



you what I've been working on, you know, So now162101:20:29.359 --> 01:20:33.560



they're on the ride with you, and it's it's it's162201:20:33.680 --> 01:20:35.159



it's a lot more work to do it that way,162301:20:35.199 --> 01:20:36.880



and a lot of people said, just stick to doing162401:20:36.920 --> 01:20:39.039



the dumb ship. Just stick to do and I'm like,162501:20:39.039 --> 01:20:40.319



I don't want to spend the rest of my life162601:20:40.359 --> 01:20:43.560



doing that. So to answer your question is how do162701:20:43.600 --> 01:20:46.000



you how do you make a day like you? It's162801:20:46.079 --> 01:20:50.079



not about getting tons of you right, It's about speaking162901:20:50.119 --> 01:20:52.800



to the people that are listening. It's not it's it's163001:20:52.880 --> 01:20:55.119



it's having it. Not speaking down to them, it's speaking163101:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.680



to them, speaking with them. So I think I think163201:20:58.760 --> 01:21:02.479



that if you can find a way to sustain that,163301:21:03.720 --> 01:21:05.600



then maybe you break through. I got to tell you163401:21:05.760 --> 01:21:07.840



sometimes when you were describing this at the top of163501:21:07.920 --> 01:21:11.359



the show about like you know, hitting that benchmark and163601:21:11.399 --> 01:21:13.119



then having all that, and I'm like, it doesn't even163701:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.000



sound appealing at this age, like I've had I've had163801:21:16.039 --> 01:21:18.880



a slice of it on TikTok, Like it's not appealing,163901:21:19.439 --> 01:21:21.479



Like I'm not I'm not doing what I'm doing these164001:21:21.560 --> 01:21:26.680



days reviews. I'm doing it to keep that core audience164101:21:27.279 --> 01:21:30.760



going on these new endeavors. I could give a ship.164201:21:31.479 --> 01:21:33.520



I mean, I get if somebody comes in a gains164301:21:33.560 --> 01:21:35.199



me hard, I'm like, just don't don't fucking watch me,164401:21:36.399 --> 01:21:39.640



Like I don't, I don't care. But but but you know,164501:21:39.720 --> 01:21:42.199



like when, why weren't you in the park the other day?164601:21:42.520 --> 01:21:42.680



Well?164701:21:42.720 --> 01:21:44.920



I was, Oh I missed it? Well, who why the164801:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.840



fuck are you asking me? Right? Like, like if you164901:21:47.960 --> 01:21:49.560



come into my life, I go, where were you? I165001:21:49.680 --> 01:21:51.680



was working? Why the fuck were you working? Why weren't165101:21:51.680 --> 01:21:55.399



you watching my live? Asshole? Like it's it sounds pretty165201:21:55.479 --> 01:21:59.000



ridiculous when you flip the scrap. I hope I answered165301:21:59.039 --> 01:22:00.600



your question. I know it just ranted a lot.165401:22:00.680 --> 01:22:02.479



Well no, no, no, no, no, that's all. It's all165501:22:02.560 --> 01:22:05.000



valid information. I mean, is your experiences right.165601:22:05.720 --> 01:22:09.159



I I want to make it clear, like I believe165701:22:09.680 --> 01:22:10.279



anybody in.165801:22:10.399 --> 01:22:13.720



This space, for example, to me, be who you are.165901:22:14.239 --> 01:22:17.600



Don't put on a front nothing. I hate nothing more166001:22:17.680 --> 01:22:21.520



than watching somebody who's a character. Okay, now, unless you're166101:22:21.520 --> 01:22:25.520



specifically putting it out there that it's entertainment, fair enough,166201:22:25.680 --> 01:22:28.279



I know what I'm getting into. But you know, if166301:22:28.319 --> 01:22:31.960



you're in the news, commentary, space, politics, anything like that,166401:22:32.039 --> 01:22:35.279



which is really hot right now, don't don't don't be166501:22:35.359 --> 01:22:38.119



something you're not. Just don't be something you're not. I166601:22:38.359 --> 01:22:40.760



can't stand fake. That's that's what that's how you're.166701:22:40.640 --> 01:22:43.600



Going to break through. But you still need to play into. Unfortunately,166801:22:43.600 --> 01:22:46.439



you still have to play into the clickbait world if166901:22:46.439 --> 01:22:48.560



you really want to. I understand I don't like doing it,167001:22:49.159 --> 01:22:50.960



and I'm on your side. I agree with you. I'm167101:22:51.000 --> 01:22:52.079



I'm against it as well.167201:22:52.520 --> 01:22:54.760



But you know, everything I was saying earlier really had167301:22:54.800 --> 01:22:57.640



to do with you know, I I see people get167401:22:57.800 --> 01:23:00.800



so bent out of shape in his heart and when167501:23:00.800 --> 01:23:04.279



they're like they're inspired and they're like, I'm going to167601:23:04.359 --> 01:23:06.479



do this too, and then they get into it and167701:23:06.560 --> 01:23:08.439



they feel, like you said, they've got to reach a167801:23:08.479 --> 01:23:09.159



certain threshold.167901:23:09.199 --> 01:23:11.439



I need ten thousand downloads, I need twenty thousand. I168001:23:11.439 --> 01:23:13.640



need one hundred thousand, and it's like, give a shit.168101:23:14.239 --> 01:23:16.159



You know, I like doing this more than I like168201:23:16.199 --> 01:23:19.079



doing my own podcast. Yeah, you want to know why,168301:23:19.239 --> 01:23:21.479



because when this is over, I'm gonna go smoke a168401:23:21.560 --> 01:23:24.760



bowl and not have to edit shit. I'm not gonna168501:23:24.760 --> 01:23:26.560



have to edit shit, right, you know what I mean?168601:23:26.920 --> 01:23:28.600



And I can curse over here. I don't have to168701:23:28.680 --> 01:23:32.479



care about here losing a follower. This is your fucking problem.168801:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.680



Yeah, well, everybody, Look, everybody, this is the my damn168901:23:35.680 --> 01:23:37.039



show there. You know, I got a filthy mouth, so169001:23:37.079 --> 01:23:37.680



it doesn't even matter.169101:23:38.000 --> 01:23:40.239



But my audios will hear this and be like, oh man,169201:23:40.279 --> 01:23:42.399



why does he act this way on his podcast?169301:23:42.600 --> 01:23:45.119



Yeah, and you've got to listen more. I like I169401:23:45.239 --> 01:23:47.439



like having the conversations though words. I like having the169501:23:47.560 --> 01:23:50.000



opportunity to have someone open up and just let go.169601:23:50.319 --> 01:23:52.479



I really do. I think there's more value in that.169701:23:52.560 --> 01:23:55.680



I think you learn from somebody a lot more instead169801:23:55.720 --> 01:23:59.319



of trying to play the persona and try to stay169901:23:59.359 --> 01:24:01.600



within the guardbe. I mean, if you can't speak your mind,170001:24:01.640 --> 01:24:04.439



then we're not having real conversation. We're just not You170101:24:04.479 --> 01:24:05.760



should be able to express yourself.170201:24:06.000 --> 01:24:07.199



But then it does to means you're doing it for170301:24:07.239 --> 01:24:10.439



the wrong reasons, and that goes back to the whole170401:24:10.600 --> 01:24:14.600



grifter thing, because you're if you're there. So when I started,170501:24:14.640 --> 01:24:15.960



not to bring it back to what I was doing170601:24:16.039 --> 01:24:18.039



on TikTok, but when I started doing what I was doing,170701:24:18.079 --> 01:24:21.039



I was front of trend. A lot of people started170801:24:21.079 --> 01:24:23.880



doing it because they saw what I was doing and170901:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.920



I was doing it with success. I originally started doing171001:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.680



it for my own mental health escape, and I think171101:24:29.800 --> 01:24:33.479



because I was just having fun and being me that171201:24:33.600 --> 01:24:37.039



people latched onto it. But I maintained an air of professionalism.171301:24:37.840 --> 01:24:40.199



What has happened over the years is there's nothing left171401:24:40.279 --> 01:24:42.960



to do. So now I just satirize it and let171501:24:43.000 --> 01:24:45.000



it rip all day and just look for the punchline,171601:24:45.600 --> 01:24:48.199



you know what I mean. Because it's an oversaturated market,171701:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.479



so there's nothing left because now everybody's doing it for171801:24:51.600 --> 01:24:54.079



the clout, and and I'm like, man, I've been doing171901:24:54.119 --> 01:24:56.439



this so damn long. I've seen it all, I've done172001:24:56.439 --> 01:24:59.800



it all. There's nothing left to do but to completely flip.172101:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.800



So with that being said, where where is the grift?172201:25:02.880 --> 01:25:04.760



As you said, like, where where would it be that172301:25:04.880 --> 01:25:06.159



you would be grifting?172401:25:06.760 --> 01:25:09.119



How am I a grifter? No? You're saying, no, no, no, no,172501:25:09.399 --> 01:25:13.159



that's the question. That's I don't care. Okay, I listen.172601:25:13.560 --> 01:25:15.520



Reddit would tell you I'm a grifter because of the172701:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.239



gifting on TikTok. But I would tell you a lot172801:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.279



of those people on Reddit are just jealous that I172901:25:20.319 --> 01:25:22.600



get to make money going with Disney World. Oh I173001:25:22.640 --> 01:25:23.399



thought I thought you were.173101:25:23.560 --> 01:25:27.439



You're alluding to maybe because for example, you can act173201:25:27.520 --> 01:25:29.920



one way on a show like mine, but then on yours,173301:25:30.039 --> 01:25:31.880



you you have to be a different person.173401:25:32.279 --> 01:25:35.199



No, if people don't understand persona that's them. Gotcha? What what?173501:25:35.560 --> 01:25:35.600



What?173601:25:35.800 --> 01:25:38.319



What I used to do in the early days about173701:25:38.359 --> 01:25:41.239



being professional was I didn't express my opinions as much173801:25:41.800 --> 01:25:44.399



as you know I didn't. I didn't I didn't say173901:25:44.840 --> 01:25:47.880



what I was thinking. Now I say whatever I want.174001:25:48.159 --> 01:25:51.159



I choose my words carefully right, so that if people174101:25:51.159 --> 01:25:53.239



are only half listening, they're not going to know what174201:25:53.319 --> 01:25:57.319



I'm saying. But to those that have, you know, anything174301:25:57.359 --> 01:26:00.239



above an eighth grade reading level, I can get was174401:26:00.319 --> 01:26:03.079



saying things in a family friendly manner and rip somebody174501:26:03.159 --> 01:26:06.920



to shit, right. So so, but it was a natural174601:26:07.000 --> 01:26:10.359



evolution of like showing all of myself. It's not that174701:26:10.479 --> 01:26:12.840



I wasn't being authentic in the beginning. I was still174801:26:12.960 --> 01:26:18.119



being me, but I I took the gloves off because174901:26:18.119 --> 01:26:20.920



there was nothing left to do and it became an175001:26:21.000 --> 01:26:27.359



oversaturated market. So again, how do you differentiate yourself? How175101:26:27.399 --> 01:26:28.920



do you you know it goes back to the idea175201:26:28.920 --> 01:26:31.520



of the purple elephant, if you're familiar with that marketing term.175301:26:31.840 --> 01:26:33.880



So how do you differentiate yourself in a world of175401:26:33.960 --> 01:26:37.239



podcasting now? When everything on YouTube is a face like this,175501:26:37.520 --> 01:26:41.359



like yours, right, I'm I call to me. You know175601:26:41.399 --> 01:26:43.880



what this is like you're an audio guy. This is175701:26:43.960 --> 01:26:47.359



like phase two of podcasting, because podcasting had a boom.175801:26:47.640 --> 01:26:51.079



This is the phase two boom of podcasting. This is175901:26:51.159 --> 01:26:54.439



like when mini disc came back the second time. So176001:26:54.720 --> 01:26:56.760



that's what this is, you know what I mean.176101:26:57.000 --> 01:27:02.039



Yeah, yeah, well I I understand what you're getting at.176201:27:02.479 --> 01:27:07.000



In my perspective, I'm I am what you see man,176301:27:07.359 --> 01:27:08.239



You know, I don't.176401:27:08.359 --> 01:27:12.039



I don't. I don't believe in being that different person.176501:27:13.119 --> 01:27:16.039



The only thing this does for me when I get176601:27:16.079 --> 01:27:17.840



on the mic and I got the earbuds or whatever176701:27:17.880 --> 01:27:19.560



the hell it is, I get focused.176801:27:19.680 --> 01:27:20.279



That's all it is.176901:27:20.560 --> 01:27:23.840



It's just like me having a drink right loosens me177001:27:23.960 --> 01:27:25.800



up a bit, and now I can have a conversation177101:27:26.279 --> 01:27:29.119



without inhibition because now I'm just focusing on you. I177201:27:29.279 --> 01:27:32.239



know that I hit the record button and I got177301:27:32.359 --> 01:27:35.920



to get here to this space where I can listen177401:27:36.479 --> 01:27:38.720



hopefully say something that has any value.177501:27:39.279 --> 01:27:41.399



But and sometimes I'm playing mental.177601:27:41.279 --> 01:27:45.359



Judo with people, you know, But I am who I am,177701:27:45.560 --> 01:27:46.920



you know, And you're right, there's a lot of guys177801:27:46.920 --> 01:27:49.279



that may look like me, but really, you know, for me,177901:27:49.720 --> 01:27:51.600



like I'm a working person, you know, I work with178001:27:51.680 --> 01:27:53.079



my hands. I work in the trades. I do a178101:27:53.159 --> 01:27:53.680



vent production.178201:27:53.800 --> 01:27:54.359



You know, I'm in it.178301:27:54.840 --> 01:27:57.560



Sometimes I get here and this is what I look178401:27:57.680 --> 01:27:59.479



like because I ain't got time to polish up and178501:27:59.520 --> 01:27:59.880



put a suit.178601:28:00.279 --> 01:28:01.920



Can I wear one? Absolutely? I love it?178701:28:02.479 --> 01:28:05.640



But right now, hey, I'm more concerned about having a178801:28:05.640 --> 01:28:07.640



good conversation and making sure that people can hear what178901:28:07.720 --> 01:28:11.199



we're talking about. So will will this change someday?179001:28:11.319 --> 01:28:16.319



Possibly? Who knows? But for the amendment, I just I179101:28:16.319 --> 01:28:18.439



didn't take it. But I'm just talking about But I'm179201:28:18.479 --> 01:28:21.920



saying the world we're living in, it's microphone phase chair square. Well, No,179301:28:22.000 --> 01:28:23.760



there's guys like this, this is come on.179401:28:24.119 --> 01:28:26.279



There's there's the ex military guy with the hat and179501:28:26.359 --> 01:28:28.199



the tight shirt, and you know that there's a lot179601:28:28.239 --> 01:28:30.079



of that going around right now. And they think it's179701:28:30.119 --> 01:28:32.359



because it's cool and it's this whole manisphere thing. It's like,179801:28:34.159 --> 01:28:36.000



you know, it's it's just a stick.179901:28:36.119 --> 01:28:37.920



It really is. It's all it is. But when you're180001:28:38.399 --> 01:28:40.439



what we're doing right here, and I will tell you180101:28:40.560 --> 01:28:42.479



because when I'm listening to you and then when I'm180201:28:42.520 --> 01:28:45.880



responding to you, I'm in the zone right now, like180301:28:46.039 --> 01:28:48.840



I'm in a I'm gonna. I'm in a a dialed180401:28:49.000 --> 01:28:52.720



in thing right now where I am. I am focused180501:28:52.760 --> 01:28:55.760



on listening to what you're saying. I'm trying to build180601:28:55.880 --> 01:28:58.319



my thoughts and to the to the point that I180701:28:58.439 --> 01:29:02.079



start going like from my heart, and when I'm done,180801:29:02.239 --> 01:29:04.760



I'm like, Man, I hope that made sense because that180901:29:04.960 --> 01:29:07.640



really just came from the soul, you know, because I'm181001:29:07.640 --> 01:29:08.159



in the zone.181101:29:08.720 --> 01:29:10.920



Yeah, but you got you got to put it out there, man,181201:29:11.560 --> 01:29:13.439



you know, that's the whole that's the beauty of these181301:29:13.479 --> 01:29:16.359



type of conversations. You have to let it go and181401:29:16.439 --> 01:29:17.600



you have to get it out there.181501:29:17.800 --> 01:29:19.159



But you can't do that if you're trying to hold181601:29:19.239 --> 01:29:22.880



up a fake front. It's impossible, exactly exactly.181701:29:23.039 --> 01:29:26.119



And that's that's the issue that I'm having right now181801:29:27.000 --> 01:29:30.039



with the podcasting world, and it's become such a big181901:29:30.119 --> 01:29:33.199



thing and it's so influential that it's leading people in182001:29:33.279 --> 01:29:36.760



the wrong direction. I believe there's a lot of intentional182101:29:36.880 --> 01:29:39.960



misinformation or you know, like you said earlier, there's like182201:29:40.000 --> 01:29:43.399



a handful of companies or whatever that control most of182301:29:43.479 --> 01:29:46.920



the narrative because of the money behind it, and that182401:29:47.079 --> 01:29:49.520



individual when they started may not have wanted to be182501:29:49.600 --> 01:29:51.680



that person, but now they're too deep. It's like, you know,182601:29:51.760 --> 01:29:53.560



going back to what we're talking about earlier, do you182701:29:53.600 --> 01:29:55.439



want to get rid of the money or the power?182801:29:56.039 --> 01:29:57.880



You're kind of stuck in this situation. It's like, well182901:29:57.880 --> 01:29:59.439



what do I do to I go back to poverty,183001:30:00.439 --> 01:30:01.920



go back to you know, washing dish?183101:30:02.079 --> 01:30:03.720



Like how do I have my cake and eat it too?183201:30:03.920 --> 01:30:06.199



Is that possible? Not to bring it back to Bongino,183301:30:06.279 --> 01:30:08.520



But I mean, he really is the perfect example. I183401:30:08.600 --> 01:30:11.239



mean I almost empathize with the guy, you know what183501:30:11.319 --> 01:30:13.479



I mean, in a weird way. I mean, first of all,183601:30:13.680 --> 01:30:16.840



was he was secret service for Obama? Yes? Okay, so183701:30:17.000 --> 01:30:19.199



like let's not even politicize the man for a half183801:30:19.239 --> 01:30:21.880



a second. Let's just talk about him as a podcaster, right,183901:30:22.680 --> 01:30:26.399



Like you you had a really good thing going, why184001:30:26.439 --> 01:30:29.680



would you leave it? Because you would be a fool184101:30:29.920 --> 01:30:32.119



to not take that opportunity, Like if you and I184201:30:32.319 --> 01:30:35.199



were given that opportunity, you'd be a fool not to184301:30:35.279 --> 01:30:37.640



take it because it's once in a lifetime. But then184401:30:37.680 --> 01:30:39.239



you get there and you find out the grass isn't184501:30:39.239 --> 01:30:40.640



always green, and that's truth.184601:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.359



There's there's nothing much truth in what you said because184701:30:44.039 --> 01:30:46.640



you only have one life, and how many opportunities do184801:30:46.680 --> 01:30:47.560



you ever really get?184901:30:47.680 --> 01:30:50.079



You know, would you rather live with the doubt? Would185001:30:50.119 --> 01:30:53.800



you rather live with the doubt or did you really185101:30:53.840 --> 01:30:56.399



regret it? Though I will yes, you would.185201:30:56.640 --> 01:31:00.680



Everybody regrets the decision to not pursue, and many of185301:31:00.760 --> 01:31:03.399



us may not even pursue something because of the fear.185401:31:03.800 --> 01:31:06.279



And there's also the imposter syndrome. Maybe we don't believe185501:31:06.399 --> 01:31:08.760



like we belong in that position, or or that we185601:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.079



need we should be the person in that in that185701:31:11.199 --> 01:31:15.039



position taking advantage of the opportunity. So a lot, a lot,185801:31:15.119 --> 01:31:16.880



a lot of what holds people back. I believe it's185901:31:16.920 --> 01:31:18.720



both fear and imposter syndrome. If it's not fear, it's186001:31:18.720 --> 01:31:22.479



imposter syndrome. There's very few people that can be confident186101:31:22.640 --> 01:31:26.640



enough to walk out there into any situation and go,186201:31:26.760 --> 01:31:28.960



you know what, no matter what, I'm going to be186301:31:29.039 --> 01:31:29.720



me and I'm taking this.186401:31:29.920 --> 01:31:31.800



I'm taking this. Not many people do.186501:31:32.359 --> 01:31:34.079



And it's it's and it's not it's not to put186601:31:34.119 --> 01:31:36.840



anybody down who feels the way that I just describe,186701:31:37.239 --> 01:31:39.600



because there's times we all feel that way. There's times186801:31:39.640 --> 01:31:41.640



we all feel that way. I've had job offers where186901:31:41.640 --> 01:31:43.560



I'm like, you know what, the money's good, but this187001:31:43.680 --> 01:31:46.279



isn't me. The sain't my wheelhouse, you know, just like187101:31:46.760 --> 01:31:47.760



I'm not going to be that guy.187201:31:47.920 --> 01:31:49.279



I just knew it right, you know.187301:31:49.960 --> 01:31:52.319



So again it wasn't I wasn't trying to talk down187401:31:52.319 --> 01:31:53.840



to anybody who may feel like, oh I don't ever187501:31:53.880 --> 01:31:55.800



fit in. I'm not going to take that step. There's187601:31:55.800 --> 01:31:58.239



a lot of fear. I've always had the entrepreneurial spirit.187701:31:58.880 --> 01:32:01.439



I've never been afraid to take a chance. I've risked money,187801:32:01.439 --> 01:32:03.680



I've risked all that you have to and I'm I'm187901:32:03.720 --> 01:32:05.560



not some multi millionaire by the way, but I think188001:32:05.600 --> 01:32:09.359



I did pretty well for myself considering. And the reality is,188101:32:10.239 --> 01:32:12.640



you're gonna hear a hundred no's. You only need one188201:32:12.760 --> 01:32:15.880



yes man, you really do the basic principles of sales.188301:32:15.880 --> 01:32:17.840



I've always I've always taken personally, like even with my188401:32:17.880 --> 01:32:19.600



sales teams when I used to have the company, is like,188501:32:20.319 --> 01:32:21.640



I don't care, you're gonna hear on a hundred knows.188601:32:21.640 --> 01:32:23.000



You've got to keep knocking those doors you've got. If188701:32:23.000 --> 01:32:26.560



you're not trying, you're not progressing. And if you're always doubting,188801:32:26.600 --> 01:32:29.840



You're not even gonna try. You're gonna live until you've188901:32:29.960 --> 01:32:32.880



cold called. I mean until you have cold called in life. Then,189001:32:33.199 --> 01:32:35.840



because once you've gotten through the rejection of a cold189101:32:35.920 --> 01:32:38.680



call and then also had the success of a cold call,189201:32:39.039 --> 01:32:40.760



that you could take nose all day long.189301:32:41.079 --> 01:32:44.279



Sure, Kirby vacuums cut co all that. I mean, it's189401:32:44.359 --> 01:32:50.960



just like it's it's you know, look so and again189501:32:51.199 --> 01:32:53.279



I don't want to harp on the Bongino thing, but189601:32:53.359 --> 01:32:59.479



my last point to that is that the fear, the189701:32:59.560 --> 01:33:04.479



fear of of regret by not taking that job. Okay,189801:33:04.840 --> 01:33:07.319



I don't think now if I was in that position189901:33:07.399 --> 01:33:10.079



and decided to leave, that I would regret taking the job.190001:33:10.560 --> 01:33:14.119



I may go, oh, I'm leaving now, this isn't what190101:33:14.279 --> 01:33:17.680



I thought. But I think the deeper regret is not knowing.190201:33:18.199 --> 01:33:20.880



So you take that leap and you take that opportunity.190301:33:21.239 --> 01:33:23.279



But to bring it back to the point of failure190401:33:24.600 --> 01:33:27.840



is most people they shut down after a failure and190501:33:27.880 --> 01:33:30.920



they don't realize that that failure is necessary. So then190601:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.279



the failure becomes the thing that is the roadblock. When190701:33:34.479 --> 01:33:38.680



failure is actually a necessity. Failures is a litmus test190801:33:38.760 --> 01:33:39.239



for success.190901:33:40.079 --> 01:33:43.000



Well, they don't ever want to feel that embarrassment again,191001:33:43.239 --> 01:33:45.720



so they avoid conflict, they avoid struggle.191101:33:46.199 --> 01:33:49.000



But failure is not doing it, not failing at trying.191201:33:49.399 --> 01:33:51.880



Failing at not trying is success in its own even191301:33:51.920 --> 01:33:54.840



if it look most businesses, as you well know, were191401:33:54.920 --> 01:33:58.960



berthed out of a completely different thing. Before Lego was Lego,191501:33:59.079 --> 01:34:01.880



they were making wooden toys. Nintendo was a card company.191601:34:02.319 --> 01:34:04.800



So you know, you you you fail at one thing,191701:34:05.319 --> 01:34:08.079



it's it's it's the it's the not doing that is191801:34:08.159 --> 01:34:11.039



the failure. Yeah, And I hope people listening hear that.191901:34:11.439 --> 01:34:14.680



I completely agree, And that's that's what I was getting at.192001:34:15.279 --> 01:34:17.399



That just probably didn't communicate it, No.192101:34:17.479 --> 01:34:19.600



You did, you did. I just I love harping on192201:34:19.680 --> 01:34:22.000



that because I think that we live in a fear192301:34:22.079 --> 01:34:26.800



based culture, whether it's executive level decision making or or192401:34:26.920 --> 01:34:30.760



whether it's just even the fear of of offending. Like192501:34:30.880 --> 01:34:32.560



you're not going to say anything in this conversation to192601:34:32.640 --> 01:34:35.640



offend me, right, you know what I mean? And I'm192701:34:35.680 --> 01:34:37.840



get I'm reading from you that it's probably the same192801:34:37.960 --> 01:34:38.119



for you.192901:34:38.680 --> 01:34:41.439



I'm good man, you know, I just look, I just193001:34:41.520 --> 01:34:44.239



had I don't know if you heard of him, Derek Gilliard.193101:34:45.039 --> 01:34:49.760



He served under the first Trump administration. He was part193201:34:49.760 --> 01:34:53.680



of HHS twenty five years and he wrote this book.193301:34:55.640 --> 01:34:56.399



I think it was uh.193401:34:56.680 --> 01:34:59.319



I just had him yesterday too, longest four years of193501:34:59.359 --> 01:35:03.960



his life, as he calls it, his perspective of working193601:35:04.039 --> 01:35:07.399



in the Trumpet administration as a black man. And we193701:35:07.560 --> 01:35:11.359



had this long conversation and we we broke through barriers.193801:35:11.399 --> 01:35:13.760



We talked about race, we talked about racial stereotypes. He193901:35:13.840 --> 01:35:15.880



asked me straight up, he is a white guy. Let194001:35:15.920 --> 01:35:17.319



me ask you why there's so many white people that194101:35:17.359 --> 01:35:20.319



shoot up schools and whatnot. And I'm like, happy to194201:35:20.479 --> 01:35:21.319



happy to address that.194301:35:21.720 --> 01:35:24.600



You know, you can't. You can't be afraid to have194401:35:24.760 --> 01:35:26.319



those discussions. You really can't.194501:35:27.359 --> 01:35:30.720



I have a file on that one, right, But you194601:35:30.800 --> 01:35:32.520



can't be afraid to have these discussions. You know, if194701:35:32.960 --> 01:35:35.159



you're afraid of being offended, you're not going to progress194801:35:35.199 --> 01:35:35.560



and learn.194901:35:35.880 --> 01:35:37.680



You're just not. I think it's boring to have a195001:35:37.800 --> 01:35:41.680



conversation where all we're doing is agreeing. Why do I195101:35:41.720 --> 01:35:42.720



want to have that conversation.195201:35:43.399 --> 01:35:47.000



I mean, look, I've had many many conversations where I195301:35:47.039 --> 01:35:50.319



don't agree with everything everyone says. But at least you know,195401:35:50.319 --> 01:35:53.520



if you're intelligent enough of a person, I should walk195501:35:53.560 --> 01:35:56.880



away understanding your perspective. And I should walk away with195601:35:56.920 --> 01:35:59.680



an understanding that I know why you think the way195701:35:59.720 --> 01:36:03.000



you It doesn't mean you're stupid. I just understand why195801:36:03.119 --> 01:36:05.720



you think the way you do. I can now say, okay,195901:36:06.239 --> 01:36:08.479



the way you lived, what you went through, Now I196001:36:08.600 --> 01:36:08.840



get it.196101:36:09.199 --> 01:36:10.279



I get it. I get it.196201:36:10.319 --> 01:36:13.840



I didn't understand it before, and that's that's important to me.196301:36:14.039 --> 01:36:15.800



It really is. And I like learning.196401:36:15.840 --> 01:36:17.279



I mean, one of the things I enjoy about having196501:36:17.319 --> 01:36:20.560



this conversations Royce, is I always walk away learning something.196601:36:20.880 --> 01:36:24.600



I'm always hungry for knowledge. I'm always diving deep and196701:36:24.880 --> 01:36:27.399



going down these rabbit holes. But I like coming away196801:36:27.399 --> 01:36:28.680



from conversations where I'm.196901:36:28.520 --> 01:36:29.760



Like, damn, I didn't look at it that way.197001:36:30.319 --> 01:36:33.199



Or you might tell me something like you know earlier,197101:36:33.199 --> 01:36:35.399



when you were just talking about the lady that ran197201:36:35.479 --> 01:36:37.119



that discord, Now I now I got to go look197301:36:37.119 --> 01:36:37.520



at who.197401:36:37.479 --> 01:36:40.119



This person was, like things like that. But I do197501:36:40.399 --> 01:36:41.000



like learning.197601:36:41.039 --> 01:36:44.920



I like coming away with knowing that this conversation was197701:36:44.960 --> 01:36:46.720



worth it because there was value in it, because we197801:36:46.800 --> 01:36:50.600



both walked away with some insight that we didn't have before,197901:36:51.199 --> 01:36:53.319



and that's what I like about this. And so even198001:36:53.359 --> 01:36:56.279



on on what I do Royce like, I listened to198101:36:56.640 --> 01:36:58.720



quite a bit of your podcast recently, knowing that you198201:36:58.760 --> 01:36:59.920



were going to be coming on, so I wanted to198301:37:00.039 --> 01:37:02.119



hear more where you're coming from. But even with me,198401:37:02.159 --> 01:37:03.920



a lot of when I first started, a lot of198501:37:04.000 --> 01:37:06.760



people had this thing where it's like, oh, he's the198601:37:06.840 --> 01:37:10.880



Maga guy, He's the Trump Trumpster guy. And my guests198701:37:10.960 --> 01:37:14.640



were never really like the conservative trumpters guys. I've had198801:37:15.079 --> 01:37:18.039



most people that were on the liberal or democratic side.198901:37:18.079 --> 01:37:18.199



You know.199001:37:18.239 --> 01:37:20.880



I just talked to a psychologists who was a hardcore liberal.199101:37:21.199 --> 01:37:23.800



He wanted to start a fight with me verbally in199201:37:23.880 --> 01:37:25.720



a nice way. I didn't let it get that way,199301:37:25.800 --> 01:37:28.399



and then we both ended up coming to understand that199401:37:28.479 --> 01:37:31.000



we agree on more than we disagree. Because when you199501:37:31.039 --> 01:37:32.880



take politics out of it and you just talk about199601:37:32.960 --> 01:37:35.880



things that human beings need to deal with, you find199701:37:35.920 --> 01:37:39.560



out that, damn, we're all pretty freaking similar.199801:37:39.920 --> 01:37:43.000



We really are. Well, most people want the same things right.199901:37:43.119 --> 01:37:46.399



They want mentally, they want to be viable, financially viable,200001:37:46.479 --> 01:37:48.920



they want health, they want to leave this place in200101:37:49.319 --> 01:37:52.000



a better condition. For their children and their children's children.200201:37:52.239 --> 01:37:56.399



It's just how they choose to get there. Yeah, voices made, Yeah,200301:37:56.960 --> 01:37:59.159



who but who I mean, show me somebody who doesn't200401:37:59.199 --> 01:38:04.359



want those things. Everybody generally has the same desires. It's200501:38:04.399 --> 01:38:06.119



how you get there. I have to tell you this200601:38:06.199 --> 01:38:10.439



really quick because you're talking about all these all these200701:38:10.479 --> 01:38:16.239



different folks and I so I'm doing the substack thing now,200801:38:16.399 --> 01:38:18.439



you know. Like I said, I broke TikTok and I'm200901:38:18.479 --> 01:38:21.359



building up substack and we've hit the Substack leaderboard thirty201001:38:21.439 --> 01:38:25.159



five and Rising News whatever eighty three. Cool. It's not201101:38:25.279 --> 01:38:27.359



based off of gifting and money. It's based off of201201:38:27.479 --> 01:38:30.000



engagement and followers and all that. So it's nice. It's201301:38:30.039 --> 01:38:33.560



a different proposition and I like it, and I'm trying201401:38:33.600 --> 01:38:36.000



to get people on, but I don't want the same201501:38:36.159 --> 01:38:41.119



five names, some of whom we've mentioned. So I find201601:38:41.159 --> 01:38:44.279



this kid on the leaderboard okay, because I was like, oh,201701:38:44.279 --> 01:38:46.560



this is the best place to go go with contemporaries.201801:38:46.600 --> 01:38:49.359



They'll see that you're up there doing your thing and201901:38:50.279 --> 01:38:54.800



young journalists. Okay, black kid. And I only say that202001:38:55.000 --> 01:38:57.439



because it's like, like, I couldn't be more of an202101:38:57.439 --> 01:39:01.119



ally buddy but okay, fine, so he's supposed to come202201:39:01.199 --> 01:39:03.239



on the podcast. I send him the link like an202301:39:03.279 --> 01:39:06.079



hour two hours before the show, and he goes, Royce,202401:39:06.199 --> 01:39:08.840



I can no longer do your show. The way you202501:39:08.920 --> 01:39:15.319



have characterized Trump's victories in your recent articles is absolutely abhorrent.202601:39:16.119 --> 01:39:18.920



And I am a journalist, but I am also a202701:39:19.039 --> 01:39:24.239



human being, and I wrote back, Trump's victories don't necessarily202801:39:24.319 --> 01:39:28.720



correlate to victories for all American people, and he blocked me,202901:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.439



and I'm like, this is wild, Like this is a203001:39:32.560 --> 01:39:35.560



very true statement you made. Though it's true, it's true203101:39:35.640 --> 01:39:37.199



what I said or what he said, what you said.203201:39:39.920 --> 01:39:41.279



I just I'm like, dude, I'm trying to have a203301:39:41.319 --> 01:39:43.159



conversation with you. First of all, you're not a journalist.203401:39:43.279 --> 01:39:45.479



None of us are. Okay, even the people who call203501:39:45.520 --> 01:39:49.039



themselves a journalist on TV are not journalists. The commentators journalists,203601:39:49.159 --> 01:39:52.880



they're talking heads. Man, probably are so, but this kid's203701:39:52.920 --> 01:39:55.680



not a journalist. Number one and number two. Trump has203801:39:55.720 --> 01:39:59.840



had a string of victories politically speaking, how how are203901:39:59.880 --> 01:40:03.119



you if you can't admit that you could talk about204001:40:03.159 --> 01:40:06.680



the negative effects of these victories, but politically he's had victories. Yeah,204101:40:06.720 --> 01:40:09.800



if you can't admit that you're not objective, right.204201:40:09.800 --> 01:40:13.039



I mean, you're not necessarily saying you need to like204301:40:13.159 --> 01:40:15.079



this guy because of these victories. They may not be204401:40:15.159 --> 01:40:18.279



the victories you want, but he did have them. I204501:40:18.479 --> 01:40:22.600



wanted to hear what was of concern to this guy,204601:40:24.159 --> 01:40:25.960



and that made me. I'm like, you know what, this204701:40:26.119 --> 01:40:28.560



is the problem. You can't talk to and I'm an independent.204801:40:29.000 --> 01:40:31.439



You can't talk to anybody on the left. They don't204901:40:31.680 --> 01:40:32.840



it's their way or no way.205001:40:33.119 --> 01:40:36.560



I've been fortunate enough to have some though, and I205101:40:36.800 --> 01:40:39.000



don't I don't know what it is. I tend.205201:40:39.479 --> 01:40:42.880



I tend to like in this conversation, you know where205301:40:42.920 --> 01:40:44.159



we have a lot of back and forth, but there's205401:40:44.159 --> 01:40:48.000



a lot of times where I let them talk. I205501:40:48.079 --> 01:40:49.720



want them to reveal who they are so I can205601:40:49.800 --> 01:40:51.920



understan where they're coming from before I form an opinion,205701:40:52.000 --> 01:40:55.359



because you know, I could be very reaction, but it205801:40:55.399 --> 01:40:58.439



could just go down the wrong road. I might be205901:40:58.560 --> 01:41:02.119



creating a bad situation for me and my guests if206001:41:02.199 --> 01:41:06.960



I just if he says, you know, listen, he says,206101:41:07.039 --> 01:41:08.920



you know, fuck the Republicans this in this and you206201:41:08.960 --> 01:41:11.319



guys are war hawks whatever. I don't even care about that,206301:41:11.359 --> 01:41:14.279



but just saying then I could be re reactioning to like, hey,206401:41:14.319 --> 01:41:16.920



screw you this whatever that gets us nowhere. Let me206501:41:17.079 --> 01:41:19.239



let me let this person talk, let me let them206601:41:19.279 --> 01:41:22.760



get it out, because the more you talk, the more206701:41:22.800 --> 01:41:24.359



we're going to come to a place where we can206801:41:24.439 --> 01:41:27.239



actually start having the conversation. And then now we're going206901:41:27.319 --> 01:41:30.439



to find out that we both hate politics.207001:41:30.960 --> 01:41:34.880



You know, there's nothing you said in this conversation that207101:41:34.960 --> 01:41:37.399



I have disagreed with, And there's nothing you've said in207201:41:37.479 --> 01:41:40.680



this conversation that makes me think you're maga or conservative.207301:41:42.880 --> 01:41:47.920



Well that's the stereotype. But I'm just saying fair enough.207401:41:47.960 --> 01:41:50.560



I appreciate I try to stay centrist.207501:41:50.720 --> 01:41:52.760



I try to. There's times that I do.207601:41:53.039 --> 01:41:54.520



I mean, I'll be honest, I do lean more right,207701:41:54.600 --> 01:41:58.039



But I don't think either side is one hundred percent right.207801:41:59.279 --> 01:42:02.560



They both have their problems. They're both fricking crazy. Let's207901:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.279



just be honest. Man, You get into the extreme sides208001:42:04.319 --> 01:42:06.560



of both of them, is like, wow, where what world208101:42:06.600 --> 01:42:07.319



do you guys live in?208201:42:07.640 --> 01:42:08.600



Well that's the horseshoe.208301:42:09.399 --> 01:42:14.279



Yes, yes, funny that was just brought up recently with208401:42:14.439 --> 01:42:17.479



someone else else talking about talking about.208501:42:17.279 --> 01:42:20.920



That so you know, I don't know where all this208601:42:21.079 --> 01:42:21.319



is going.208701:42:21.399 --> 01:42:23.960



I just know that what I see out there is208801:42:24.199 --> 01:42:27.159



is a lot of frustrated individuals, including myself, because we208901:42:27.279 --> 01:42:30.920



all want change, but it just doesn't seem that, you know,209001:42:31.560 --> 01:42:33.199



as you said, or in the deep state, they don't209101:42:33.199 --> 01:42:34.920



want to give up their position, they don't want to209201:42:34.960 --> 01:42:38.479



give up what they're doing, and we're just always going209301:42:38.560 --> 01:42:40.960



to be arguing over stuff out of our control. You know,209401:42:41.159 --> 01:42:43.840



there's people who get so obsessed about it that they209501:42:43.880 --> 01:42:45.880



get sick from it, just from the stress. You know,209601:42:45.920 --> 01:42:48.640



they can't even get through their day without going on209701:42:49.159 --> 01:42:51.800



X or you know, Blue Sky or whatever app they209801:42:51.920 --> 01:42:56.039



choose to be on and just spewing whatever opinion they have.209901:42:57.119 --> 01:43:00.199



And it's like, man, a perfect example of that for me.210001:43:00.319 --> 01:43:03.119



By the way, I'm not gonna name names, but where210101:43:03.199 --> 01:43:06.640



I live, and you know, I have frequently in the210201:43:06.720 --> 01:43:09.560



Bay Area many times, especially for business. I went to210301:43:09.640 --> 01:43:11.840



school out there in San Jose for some time. And210401:43:12.640 --> 01:43:15.680



the reality is it's a whole different world. It's a210501:43:15.720 --> 01:43:18.039



whole different world, and it got to the point where210601:43:19.119 --> 01:43:22.680



it's so far left that if you say anything that210701:43:22.880 --> 01:43:27.640



is outside of the group, think you're a Trumpster. It210801:43:27.720 --> 01:43:29.520



got so bad that one day a friend of mine210901:43:29.560 --> 01:43:31.279



saw me wearing a hat that just had an American211001:43:31.399 --> 01:43:35.560



flag and they called me trumpy. I'm like, what does211101:43:35.600 --> 01:43:37.960



the American flag have to do with Trump? It represents211201:43:38.039 --> 01:43:40.880



the United States of America, you know, the country in211301:43:40.960 --> 01:43:43.000



which you reside, the country on which you are a citizen,211401:43:43.079 --> 01:43:47.319



the country in which you are benefiting from its protections211501:43:47.359 --> 01:43:50.000



and a sovereignty. What does that have to do with Trump?211601:43:50.920 --> 01:43:55.199



And that's where we have gotten And that's what I'm211701:43:55.279 --> 01:43:57.840



concerned with, is that there's too many people living on211801:43:57.880 --> 01:43:58.960



the surface of the headline.211901:43:59.359 --> 01:44:00.439



They don't want to deeper.212001:44:00.520 --> 01:44:03.239



They just believe whatever it is that their favorite morning212101:44:03.319 --> 01:44:06.560



show is telling them and taking it for face value.212201:44:06.600 --> 01:44:09.199



And it never It really wasn't that bad before people212301:44:09.359 --> 01:44:12.920



were They used to think for themselves. And I don't212401:44:12.920 --> 01:44:14.359



know if they're just so busy that they don't want212501:44:14.359 --> 01:44:15.680



to take the time to do so anymore.212601:44:16.399 --> 01:44:18.600



I don't think it's that they're busy. I think that212701:44:18.760 --> 01:44:22.279



you know, there used to be a term second screen. Okay,212801:44:22.279 --> 01:44:24.800



I haven't heard it see second screen? So yeah, second212901:44:24.840 --> 01:44:27.319



screen was a term. You know, Oh, you're watching TV.213001:44:27.560 --> 01:44:30.039



Have your iPad out that's your second screen. Oh okay,213101:44:30.199 --> 01:44:32.600



got it? Okay, so second screen viewing and all this.213201:44:33.359 --> 01:44:36.479



We are long past second screen. People have the news213301:44:36.600 --> 01:44:39.359



on with music playing in the background, and they're scrolling213401:44:39.439 --> 01:44:43.039



Twitter on their iPhone. So I think a lot of213501:44:43.119 --> 01:44:47.479



it has to do with hyper consumption and the spread213601:44:47.520 --> 01:44:51.359



of information too fast. So when you take social media213701:44:52.479 --> 01:44:56.039



and you pair it with you know, a Steve Bannon213801:44:56.079 --> 01:44:59.000



strategy like flooding the zone with shit right, it makes213901:44:59.039 --> 01:45:02.439



it very very hard card to you know, the headline,214001:45:02.520 --> 01:45:04.960



to your point, always gets the most noise. It makes214101:45:05.000 --> 01:45:08.479



it very very hard to fact check anything because people214201:45:08.520 --> 01:45:11.479



are already onto the next headline, and the fact check214301:45:11.680 --> 01:45:15.479



never gets the level of engagement sure notice as the headline.214401:45:16.199 --> 01:45:20.720



So it's oversaturation, gotcha. I mean that's just my opinion,214501:45:20.960 --> 01:45:23.159



But I mean, you scroll, you scroll, you scroll, jump214601:45:23.279 --> 01:45:25.600



to the next I disagree with you, because that's a tactic.214701:45:25.680 --> 01:45:29.479



It's a real tactic that is used oversaturating. Look, how214801:45:29.520 --> 01:45:30.760



are you going to keep people in control?214901:45:31.079 --> 01:45:34.119



You overwhelm them. You overwhelm to the point.215001:45:33.920 --> 01:45:36.319



That they don't know how to make heads details what's215101:45:36.359 --> 01:45:39.479



going on. You keep them moving, you keep their attention215201:45:40.079 --> 01:45:41.960



moving you guide them just like a horse of blinders.215301:45:42.000 --> 01:45:44.720



That's exactly what they're doing. And it's the same thing215401:45:44.800 --> 01:45:45.079



in war.215501:45:46.520 --> 01:45:49.960



How do you your enemy, you know, through misinformation, disinformation215601:45:50.600 --> 01:45:54.920



and getting the people to believe the narrative so that215701:45:55.199 --> 01:45:58.399



they rise up and they oppose the ruling class. That's215801:45:58.439 --> 01:46:03.439



what we're seeing in America right now. And I don't215901:46:03.479 --> 01:46:05.439



know where it's gonna go. Look, I don't even want216001:46:05.479 --> 01:46:08.920



to say that I'm enjoying the ride, because sure, we216101:46:09.000 --> 01:46:12.800



get eyeballs from talking about this stuff, but I am216201:46:12.880 --> 01:46:18.000



more concerned with the the sentiment of how people feel216301:46:18.159 --> 01:46:22.039



in view things these days, and that it seems like216401:46:22.159 --> 01:46:26.560



we've we've just lost the ability to reason, that the216501:46:26.840 --> 01:46:30.880



ability to think logically has just I mean, it's just216601:46:31.000 --> 01:46:31.960



gone out the window.216701:46:32.159 --> 01:46:35.680



Unfortunately. Everything everything's emotional. I feel like America is just216801:46:35.760 --> 01:46:40.319



a big ball of zombies, you know, just fire. Yeah,216901:46:40.920 --> 01:46:44.640



and you got the perfect background, I mean you really217001:46:44.640 --> 01:46:46.560



And I didn't say that because of that. It's just217101:46:46.640 --> 01:46:48.760



the way I have always felt. It's a dumpster fire,217201:46:48.880 --> 01:46:52.520



and you know it's not. And and party politics has217301:46:52.600 --> 01:46:56.000



just been turned into a sport, so people wave their pennant,217401:46:56.439 --> 01:46:59.079



but they don't think logically about what they're and that's217501:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.119



why you have this whole Epstein fisser to bring it217601:47:01.199 --> 01:47:05.399



back to that, because uh, you know, look, the Republicans217701:47:05.399 --> 01:47:08.239



have become the big tent party and everybody has their217801:47:08.279 --> 01:47:11.079



wedge issue, and now what you have is a whole217901:47:11.119 --> 01:47:15.119



bunch of people that feel betrayed. Okay, but what's going218001:47:15.199 --> 01:47:16.560



to come out of this? They're going to go vote218101:47:16.600 --> 01:47:18.680



Democrat next time, or they're going to stay home. No,218201:47:18.920 --> 01:47:21.720



it's not like it's going to birth any movement. It's218301:47:21.800 --> 01:47:24.079



just it's the same old It's this that's why they218401:47:24.119 --> 01:47:26.520



call it political theater. It's the same old game.218501:47:27.439 --> 01:47:33.479



It's exactly Yeah, it's exactly fear you're you're substack what218601:47:34.359 --> 01:47:36.600



you mentioned a little bit, But so you got into218701:47:36.600 --> 01:47:38.399



your substack because you kind of want to just change218801:47:38.439 --> 01:47:39.399



the direction you were going.218901:47:39.720 --> 01:47:42.319



What about what about that substack attracted you to it?219001:47:43.079 --> 01:47:43.199



Was it?219101:47:43.439 --> 01:47:45.760



Was it the community involvement in general or was there219201:47:45.840 --> 01:47:47.840



something else, some other vibe about it that you really219301:47:47.880 --> 01:47:48.279



were into?219401:47:49.000 --> 01:47:53.720



It was it was literally the mechanics. So I have,219501:47:54.119 --> 01:47:55.960



as I told you, I've been doing TikTok lives over219601:47:56.000 --> 01:48:01.560



the years, and my TikTok handle is this theme. I'm219701:48:01.600 --> 01:48:03.319



not even looking to plug it, so I'm not going to.219801:48:03.720 --> 01:48:07.199



But it's it's Disney theme, okay, so I don't. I don't.219901:48:07.319 --> 01:48:09.399



You can put it in the metadata, so I don't.220001:48:09.479 --> 01:48:13.159



Even in the early days, I didn't even want to220101:48:13.159 --> 01:48:16.840



break that, right. I wouldn't even if I was doing220201:48:16.960 --> 01:48:18.800



like a live radio show, I'd go do it on220301:48:18.880 --> 01:48:21.880



my Instagram, you know, and I would take callers and220401:48:22.000 --> 01:48:24.079



a virtual phone bank. So I was always trying to220501:48:24.199 --> 01:48:25.960



do these things, but I was trying to do them220601:48:26.359 --> 01:48:30.399



wherever I could. I did a word press blog and220701:48:30.560 --> 01:48:32.800



was trying to get that going. I built up the220801:48:32.920 --> 01:48:34.920



discord and was trying to make that. I thought that220901:48:34.960 --> 01:48:38.760



would be more message board than it really was. So221001:48:39.279 --> 01:48:43.079



when I discovered that Substack was my blog and I221101:48:43.119 --> 01:48:45.760



had a newsletter, a monthly newsletter, was became a pain221201:48:45.840 --> 01:48:47.399



in the ass. Somebody said, hey, we'll do a newsletter.221301:48:47.439 --> 01:48:49.840



We'll help you, and then here I am every month221401:48:50.079 --> 01:48:52.359



trying to stream do a newsletter. It was too much.221501:48:53.079 --> 01:48:59.520



So Substack became obviously my podcast is everywhere, but Substack221601:48:59.600 --> 01:49:03.800



became a podcast, hosts a newsletter, a blog, and it221701:49:03.840 --> 01:49:05.880



took care of the discord, being able to have a221801:49:05.960 --> 01:49:08.119



chat thread and all these things. So it just became221901:49:08.199 --> 01:49:12.119



a one stop shop for everything. So it was literally222001:49:12.199 --> 01:49:15.479



the mechanics that makes a lot of sense. I never222101:49:15.560 --> 01:49:16.119



got into it.222201:49:16.560 --> 01:49:19.960



And honestly, you know, it's like you said earlier, you222301:49:20.039 --> 01:49:22.199



can get very overwhelmed doing this, Like you have to222401:49:22.239 --> 01:49:25.720



pay attention to all this different medium and you got222501:49:25.800 --> 01:49:27.199



to see on top of it, and I just barely222601:49:27.239 --> 01:49:27.680



keep up.222701:49:27.560 --> 01:49:30.239



With what I'm doing now. Same so when you're telling222801:49:30.239 --> 01:49:31.319



me your story, I'm like, I don't even know how222901:49:31.319 --> 01:49:33.159



you're able to keep up with all of it. Oh,223001:49:33.159 --> 01:49:35.239



I'm pretty the whole kids series. At the same time,223101:49:35.319 --> 01:49:37.439



I'm relaunching my YouTube and next year or at the223201:49:37.520 --> 01:49:40.840



end year. It's crazy, man, I just readid you by YouTube?223301:49:40.960 --> 01:49:45.520



I destroyed it and just started relaunching it and focusing223401:49:45.560 --> 01:49:47.880



on video for the specific for that side of it.223501:49:48.720 --> 01:49:52.479



So yeah, definitely, I mean video editing. I never thought223601:49:52.520 --> 01:49:53.760



would be a video editing guy. I was always a223701:49:53.840 --> 01:49:57.760



sound engineer, right, and then I got into video because223801:49:57.840 --> 01:49:59.760



doing events also, and everybody wanted a live stream. And223901:49:59.800 --> 01:50:01.840



now I'm doing imag for concerts and we're doing all224001:50:01.840 --> 01:50:04.279



this stuff. And it's just a natural progression. Now, Henry,224101:50:04.279 --> 01:50:08.399



I'm spending hours and in front of the damn software224201:50:08.600 --> 01:50:09.439



just doing his waves.224301:50:09.479 --> 01:50:12.439



Man, you gotta streamline your workflow. Oh, I'll believe me.224401:50:12.520 --> 01:50:14.720



It's streamline. Maybe I'm just too picky. I don't know.224501:50:15.079 --> 01:50:17.039



You might be, but but but I only say that224601:50:17.079 --> 01:50:21.159



from experience, because no understood. The last four months, five224701:50:21.239 --> 01:50:24.760



months have been I feel like I've I've had a224801:50:25.039 --> 01:50:29.760



master class in assistive AI, and I have figured out224901:50:29.840 --> 01:50:32.720



how to use AI not to do the work, but225001:50:32.880 --> 01:50:34.880



to make it easier so I don't have to do225101:50:35.439 --> 01:50:37.960



the heavy lifting, so I can do like twenty. I225201:50:38.000 --> 01:50:39.960



think I heard somebody said, like, oh, like ten eighty225301:50:40.039 --> 01:50:43.079



ten or whatever. Everybody's got a bullshit phrase, But basically225401:50:43.600 --> 01:50:46.359



I can have a eighty twenty at whatever it was, like,225501:50:46.399 --> 01:50:48.319



ten eighty ten, whatever. I don't know. It might not225601:50:48.439 --> 01:50:50.199



even even added to one hundred. They might have gone225701:50:50.279 --> 01:50:53.399



over budget quite frankly. But it's just one of those225801:50:53.439 --> 01:50:57.800



things where you're like, oh, there's a way that I225901:50:57.920 --> 01:50:59.840



can do all Like when we do when you come226001:50:59.840 --> 01:51:04.399



on my podcast, we'll use software called Riverside. Yeah, I'm familiar, Yeah,226101:51:04.640 --> 01:51:06.640



and I love it because by the time we're done,226201:51:07.479 --> 01:51:10.000



I've got my transcripts, I've got my clips, I've got226301:51:10.039 --> 01:51:12.640



everything I need. Now I might not use it all,226401:51:13.000 --> 01:51:16.039



but I've got options at my fingertips. And i haven't226501:51:16.079 --> 01:51:21.199



even I haven't even finished talking. So that's the kind226601:51:21.199 --> 01:51:23.359



of stuff that then buys me time to go. You226701:51:23.439 --> 01:51:25.840



know what, it's time to relaunch my YouTube because now226801:51:25.880 --> 01:51:26.840



I have the bandwidth.226901:51:27.439 --> 01:51:31.680



You know, technology is advancing in a way that yes227001:51:31.800 --> 01:51:32.319



or our benefits.227101:51:32.359 --> 01:51:32.479



You know.227201:51:32.520 --> 01:51:34.680



My issue is is every time I've tried to use227301:51:35.399 --> 01:51:37.520



I was an early adopter of Riverside, and I can227401:51:37.600 --> 01:51:40.680



never get it to work consistently and correctly. Where I227501:51:40.720 --> 01:51:44.000



got so frustrated I just stopped using it. Interesting and227601:51:44.079 --> 01:51:47.119



I know they got better. I've tried it recently, No,227701:51:47.239 --> 01:51:51.039



I couldn't say recently. A few months back I had227801:51:51.079 --> 01:51:52.359



a guess where I was going to try to use it,227901:51:52.880 --> 01:51:55.159



and same frustrations.228001:51:55.159 --> 01:51:55.920



I just had to go back.228101:51:55.960 --> 01:51:57.479



I think I just want too much control, you know.228201:51:57.520 --> 01:51:59.960



I like to go back and multi track the audio.228301:52:00.000 --> 01:52:01.359



I want to have more control of the audio. I228401:52:01.399 --> 01:52:03.520



want the individual feeds, like.228501:52:04.000 --> 01:52:06.159



Maybe it's just me. I mean, it's just me. Yeah,228601:52:06.199 --> 01:52:08.079



But there's I mean, look not to push AI, but228701:52:08.119 --> 01:52:11.199



I mean AI can take stems out of an MP three. Yeahs.228801:52:11.720 --> 01:52:13.479



So you get to this point where I'm like, and228901:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.199



it's for people love to resist this stuff. I love229001:52:16.279 --> 01:52:18.399



to be on the as close to the front of229101:52:18.520 --> 01:52:22.039



these things as possible. I always find myself finding the229201:52:22.119 --> 01:52:25.479



next thing when when whatever I'm doing starts to hit229301:52:25.560 --> 01:52:27.520



mass adoption, I'm onto the next. Yeah.229401:52:27.520 --> 01:52:29.920



I believe in using it as well, Royce. I just229501:52:30.039 --> 01:52:31.239



I guess I'm control freak.229601:52:31.359 --> 01:52:31.479



You know.229701:52:31.800 --> 01:52:33.840



When it comes to my shorts, I absolutely use AI.229801:52:33.880 --> 01:52:35.600



I mean, I use a program that just doesn't I'm229901:52:35.640 --> 01:52:38.359



not sitting there. I'm not sitting there and doing I'm230001:52:38.399 --> 01:52:40.520



letting it do it for me. I'm going back and230101:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.199



I might make an edit here or there, but other230201:52:42.279 --> 01:52:44.039



than that, I'm letting the software do it for me.230301:52:44.039 --> 01:52:45.119



I don't have time to do all that.230401:52:45.359 --> 01:52:47.239



I get it, man, I mean, I look, it took230501:52:47.319 --> 01:52:49.520



me so long to learn how to edit video on230601:52:49.600 --> 01:52:52.680



my cell phone, like to jump from Premiere to but230701:52:52.760 --> 01:52:55.039



this is years ago, to jump from Premiere to my230801:52:55.159 --> 01:52:58.239



cell phone, and at a certain point it became so230901:52:58.520 --> 01:53:01.199



clunky to try to take stuff off my phone and231001:53:01.279 --> 01:53:03.960



put it in premiere. I was like, stop being stubborn,231101:53:04.960 --> 01:53:07.880



and now I can edit. I can edit on two231201:53:07.920 --> 01:53:12.640



cell phones simultaneously. Yeah. Yeah, that's a bad day if231301:53:12.640 --> 01:53:13.119



I'm doing that.231401:53:13.359 --> 01:53:15.119



I tried to do a self phon thing. I got231501:53:15.159 --> 01:53:17.000



the I got the big you know thumb thing. I231601:53:18.159 --> 01:53:19.960



I can't do it. I got I gotta I gotta231701:53:19.960 --> 01:53:21.640



get in front of my in front of my PC231801:53:21.800 --> 01:53:23.800



or whatever it is, and you know, have everything laid231901:53:23.840 --> 01:53:25.520



out in front. I guess I'm just too old school.232001:53:25.560 --> 01:53:28.760



I don't know how old are you? Forty seven? All right,232101:53:29.000 --> 01:53:31.520



I just turned forty four, so we're we're the same ballpark.232201:53:31.560 --> 01:53:36.399



But I look, most of my my contemporaries don't touch232301:53:36.520 --> 01:53:38.279



the stuff. They're everybody's.232401:53:38.439 --> 01:53:42.359



It's still very very young, it's very very new, and232501:53:42.760 --> 01:53:45.119



I find it to be very exciting as a creator232601:53:45.239 --> 01:53:50.119



because it's giving me time to focus on more important things. Yeah,232701:53:50.239 --> 01:53:51.439



I mean, time management is the thing.232801:53:51.479 --> 01:53:55.000



Your time is valuable, so agreed, you know, and maybe232901:53:55.000 --> 01:53:57.039



I should look into more of that stuff. And that's233001:53:57.039 --> 01:54:00.119



also a good lesson for anybody who's getting into the233101:54:00.159 --> 01:54:02.279



space that you know, hey, take advantage of the technology233201:54:02.319 --> 01:54:04.399



out there. We'll give you more time.233301:54:04.439 --> 01:54:06.000



Don't let it do all the work, but let it233401:54:06.079 --> 01:54:07.560



do some of the heavy lifting so you don't have to.233501:54:07.840 --> 01:54:09.520



I got to look into the substack thing. I've always233601:54:09.520 --> 01:54:12.359



I've always heard. I've just never dove into it, and233701:54:12.399 --> 01:54:15.239



it's mostly a time thing for me. But yeah, you know,233801:54:15.720 --> 01:54:17.119



I've been going through some of your stuff and it's233901:54:17.119 --> 01:54:19.680



pretty good. I mean, you're very active, and uh, it's234001:54:19.720 --> 01:54:21.720



really cool what you're doing, man, it really is. It's234101:54:21.760 --> 01:54:23.560



almost like you're, like you said earlier, from what I234201:54:23.600 --> 01:54:26.239



can tell, you're just reinventing yourself to it to a degree,234301:54:26.279 --> 01:54:26.960



Do you feel that way?234401:54:28.880 --> 01:54:31.760



I think, you know, reinvention Maybe not so much. I234501:54:31.800 --> 01:54:34.640



think I'm peeling back some layers that I buried. I234601:54:35.039 --> 01:54:37.600



I was involved in a lot of this political stuff234701:54:37.680 --> 01:54:40.079



early on. I don't know if you if you saw234801:54:40.159 --> 01:54:41.840



the art, like if you know anything about the Trump234901:54:41.920 --> 01:54:44.680



call and all that, No, I heard you talk about it.235001:54:44.760 --> 01:54:48.720



I wasn't really sure about what that was. Well so235101:54:49.039 --> 01:54:50.760



so so I'll answer your question and then I can235201:54:50.800 --> 01:54:53.000



give you the quick summation on that. But sure, it's235301:54:53.039 --> 01:54:55.800



not that it's a reinvention. But I feel like I'm235401:54:55.880 --> 01:54:58.079



going back to the things that I used to do235501:54:58.399 --> 01:55:01.880



and getting to show all of my myself. So I've235601:55:02.119 --> 01:55:03.920



gotten rid of the people that just wanted me to235701:55:03.960 --> 01:55:07.159



take them to Disney every day. Oh and I call235801:55:07.239 --> 01:55:10.880



that like a Disney daycare. And now I've got the235901:55:10.920 --> 01:55:12.840



people that, yeah, we really love it when you take236001:55:12.960 --> 01:55:15.039



us there, but we also want to hear about your236101:55:15.079 --> 01:55:18.600



other thoughts. So I've been able to kind of pull236201:55:18.760 --> 01:55:21.479



back in some stuff. So I would say it's more like,236301:55:23.640 --> 01:55:25.600



maybe I'm just being semantical now and it's just my236401:55:25.680 --> 01:55:27.720



own desire to control the narrative. But I feel like236501:55:27.760 --> 01:55:32.239



I'm shedding skin. If anything. I don't think it's a reinvention,236601:55:32.439 --> 01:55:35.640



because that would imply that I'm doing something I've never done,236701:55:35.760 --> 01:55:38.960



or it's new territory, and it's not new territory, you know.236801:55:39.800 --> 01:55:41.399



So and I can tell you the Trump story if236901:55:41.399 --> 01:55:46.439



you want to hear it real quick. Sure. So I237001:55:47.840 --> 01:55:51.159



let's see, I'm running an arcade business in Los Angeles,237101:55:51.960 --> 01:55:56.239



and somewhere along the line, I start branching out into237201:55:56.239 --> 01:55:58.359



doing content because content has always been a part of237301:55:58.399 --> 01:56:02.840



the thing. And I'm producing a podcast for Stuttering John237401:56:03.399 --> 01:56:10.359



from The Stern Show. Tonight's show former announcer, and he says, Oh,237501:56:10.439 --> 01:56:13.039



We're gonna have Casey Armstrong on the show today, and237601:56:13.119 --> 01:56:15.359



Casey Armstrong was a guy from The Stern Show back237701:56:15.399 --> 01:56:19.920



in the day. And Casey turns down at the last minute.237801:56:19.920 --> 01:56:22.760



I'm too busy and John didn't have anything to do,237901:56:23.520 --> 01:56:24.560



and I go, you know what you should do is238001:56:24.560 --> 01:56:26.439



you should call the White House because Trump had just238101:56:26.520 --> 01:56:29.760



gotten into office. I guarantee you can get through because238201:56:29.760 --> 01:56:32.680



a few weeks earlier, I was just po driving around238301:56:32.720 --> 01:56:35.079



and I got through to the White House and Hope238401:56:35.119 --> 01:56:37.359



Hicks called me back and I was like, oh shit,238501:56:37.520 --> 01:56:43.000



I think I'll hang up now, and so he goes,238601:56:43.079 --> 01:56:46.039



oh okay. He goes, well, I used to party with Trump.238701:56:46.119 --> 01:56:48.039



I used to go on the helicopter with him to238801:56:48.520 --> 01:56:51.680



AC So he picks up the phone and this is238901:56:51.720 --> 01:56:56.319



on his podcast, this is first term, and he goes, Hi,239001:56:56.520 --> 01:57:00.840



John Melendez. Click, they hang up, calls again. He goes,239101:57:00.880 --> 01:57:03.600



John Melendez, I used to hang out with Donald click,239201:57:04.319 --> 01:57:06.560



and I go, you gotta go my cousin Vinnie. You239301:57:06.640 --> 01:57:12.119



ever see my cousin Vinnie, not Melendez? Say Menendez, you know,239401:57:12.319 --> 01:57:16.079



not Jerry Callo, Jerry Gallo. I don't realize as I'm239501:57:16.239 --> 01:57:20.720



saying this, that corrupt senator from New Jersey, Bob Menendez,239601:57:20.760 --> 01:57:23.800



a Democrat, has ties to the Kushners and the Trumps.239701:57:23.960 --> 01:57:30.239



I just said it for the joke. Okay, Hi, White House,239801:57:30.279 --> 01:57:34.399



because mind you were calling the main switchboard, White House. Hi,239901:57:34.680 --> 01:57:37.920



this is a calling from Senator Bob Menendez's office. Oh240001:57:38.000 --> 01:57:42.960



hold on one second, please, right. So then, and John240101:57:43.119 --> 01:57:46.359



is doing like the worst fucking British accent you've ever heard,240201:57:46.760 --> 01:57:50.239



and he says his name is like it was like240301:57:50.520 --> 01:57:53.319



his name was like uh like it was like an240401:57:53.319 --> 01:57:57.720



amalgamation of like Bond names. It was like Sean, like240501:57:58.399 --> 01:57:59.920



I don't even remember what it was. It was like240601:58:00.079 --> 01:58:03.800



Sean Moore or something like that. And he goes, uh, yeah,240701:58:03.960 --> 01:58:05.560



my name is Sean Moore and my parents were big240801:58:05.640 --> 01:58:08.680



Bond fans, and like this is all getting through, and240901:58:08.760 --> 01:58:11.199



the woman's like, well, listen, we just have one question.241001:58:12.039 --> 01:58:15.039



If you're calling from Senator Bob Menendez's office, why do241101:58:15.159 --> 01:58:17.800



you have an eight one to eight area code from California?241201:58:18.560 --> 01:58:21.279



And he goes, oh, well on holiday in like the241301:58:21.399 --> 01:58:24.840



worst accent, and they're like, oh, that makes sense. So241401:58:25.039 --> 01:58:27.760



the next thing you know, they're like, we'll call you back.241501:58:27.880 --> 01:58:29.760



We wrap up the podcast and we're like, fuck, that241601:58:29.920 --> 01:58:32.359



was close. We're done. And I get a call that241701:58:32.520 --> 01:58:34.079



night and he goes, I just got off the phone241801:58:34.079 --> 01:58:37.760



with Donald Trump. I go, what? He goes. Jared Kushner241901:58:37.840 --> 01:58:39.560



called me I was on a date with some girl.242001:58:39.640 --> 01:58:41.880



I go, I gotta go. They were at a restaurant.242101:58:41.880 --> 01:58:44.079



He goes, I gotta go outside. The President's calling. I go,242201:58:44.479 --> 01:58:46.600



you must you had to have gotten laid right, because242301:58:46.680 --> 01:58:49.119



like that's the ultimate Like I don't think he did,242401:58:49.199 --> 01:58:53.079



which is a whole other commentary on him. But so242501:58:54.039 --> 01:58:57.520



I get this voicemail like this this this MP three242601:58:57.680 --> 01:59:00.079



texted to me because his buddy recorded the call a242701:59:00.239 --> 01:59:04.640



third party. I spend two days trying to get this242801:59:04.720 --> 01:59:08.520



out into the media. I finally Politico picked it up,242901:59:09.000 --> 01:59:12.319



and it was a whirlwind, but it was I basic.243001:59:12.439 --> 01:59:16.680



I produced that call on Air Force one, so so243101:59:17.279 --> 01:59:20.399



so so reinvention, not so much dipping my toe back243201:59:20.439 --> 01:59:24.239



in the water. Maybe that's that's I like that story.243301:59:24.800 --> 01:59:26.399



It's a fun story, man. I try to tell it243401:59:26.439 --> 01:59:27.319



as quick as possible.243501:59:27.680 --> 01:59:30.199



That is well, Royce, I don't hold you up anymore243601:59:30.680 --> 01:59:32.680



because you're in a you're in a completely different time zone,243701:59:32.680 --> 01:59:36.319



but not man, joining this. I I like this conversation243801:59:36.760 --> 01:59:40.319



and I'm looking forward to joining you on your podcast243901:59:40.600 --> 01:59:44.079



down the road here. So with that being said, Man,244001:59:44.079 --> 01:59:45.600



if you don't mind, I want to wrap this up,244101:59:47.079 --> 01:59:50.520



get on with my evening over here, and uh again,244201:59:50.600 --> 01:59:51.359



appreciate your time.244301:59:51.439 --> 01:59:54.119



I really do. Thank you for coming on. I really do,244401:59:54.720 --> 01:59:55.560



and thank you.244501:59:55.880 --> 01:59:58.720



I hope everything you do moving forward is just a success.244601:59:58.760 --> 02:00:00.760



And I know that doesn't always mean for all of us.244702:00:00.840 --> 02:00:01.159



It's just.244802:00:02.840 --> 02:00:04.319



Keep at it, man. I mean, you've been doing this244902:00:04.439 --> 02:00:06.840



a while and I like what you're doing. It's great,245002:00:07.199 --> 02:00:09.199



it really is. I like your attitude. Man, you always245102:00:09.239 --> 02:00:10.600



coming at it with a little bit of humor, and245202:00:10.600 --> 02:00:13.279



it's like you're just very engaging. And it was a great,245302:00:13.720 --> 02:00:16.159



great conversation, great experience, man, appreciate it.245402:00:16.359 --> 02:00:17.800



Thank you for having me on. I look forward to245502:00:17.800 --> 02:00:21.039



having you on my show. And honestly, I don't do245602:00:21.119 --> 02:00:23.880



a lot of this, but it's it's really nice to245702:00:23.920 --> 02:00:26.439



have these kind of conversations and to hear how other245802:00:26.479 --> 02:00:28.479



people are thinking and to be reminded that at the245902:00:28.560 --> 02:00:29.960



end of the day, we all want the same stuff,246002:00:30.199 --> 02:00:31.840



absolutely for and be honest.246102:00:31.880 --> 02:00:33.399



Down the road, I'll probably have you on again if246202:00:33.439 --> 02:00:34.000



you're open.246302:00:33.880 --> 02:00:37.079



So any time, man, I really enjoyed this, I really did.246402:00:37.199 --> 02:00:38.680



And I don't know how long we've done here. I246502:00:38.760 --> 02:00:41.520



have no concept of time right now. I don't know.246602:00:41.800 --> 02:00:44.680



Let me look down. I think we're about yeah, just246702:00:44.760 --> 02:00:48.760



over two hours. Okay, I found about two hours. But246802:00:48.920 --> 02:00:51.840



it no, no, it's not a bad thing. No no, no,246902:00:52.079 --> 02:00:55.800



it's not. Thank you, thank you. I'm gonna go ahead247002:00:55.800 --> 02:01:08.159



and grab this up, sir, take your content of your field. Attention, devils,247102:01:08.359 --> 02:01:16.239



high high temption, high stairs on my get do do247202:01:16.960 --> 02:01:23.000



do do do do do do do do do