Dec. 1, 2025

On Am Coffee with Royce D'Orazio - Nov. 30th, 2025

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Sharing my guest appearance on AM Coffee with Royce D'Orazio, recorded on Nov. 30th, 2025.

We talk politics, ask what a post-Trump America looks like, and discuss the grind of content creation.

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Ocome to what I am coffee. I love Substack. When

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I started on this is George Fonts World of Blaze.

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We're going to talk about that in a second. When

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I started doing Substack, it really was a problem solver.

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But then I got to a point where I'm like,

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it's got its own problems.

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Everything does.

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I've been back to the grind on TikTok, pure escapism,

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that's just where I make my money.

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I didn't think i'd go back to it. At the

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clip I am.

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I feel like I am not doing as much here

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as I should be beyond the podcast, meaning in the

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writing and whatnot. And then I look and I see

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George Fontesters over. He's got the clips going. You do

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it all the shit, But I mean, like it's exhausting,

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isn't it beyondest Yeah, it's hard, man.

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And honestly, with Substack, the reason I even came over

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was to do what you were doing in terms of

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trying to like actually write stuff because I really want

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to put written, you know, opinion pieces and articles out.

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I don't even have the time, man, You're just trying

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to do clips and recordings and podcast It's like that

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alone takes up my time. So by the time I

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get to substack, I'm just basically putting video clips, but

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I'm not doing a whole lot of writing, which is

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not the not the reason I even came to substack.

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So you know, it is hard to keep up with

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everything with social media, really is.

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But I'm so I'm so happy to hear that because

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that that's the internal crisis. Let's just stay on this

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for a second, because it's so it's so genuine. I mean,

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like for me, I feel that with Twitch substack. I

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mean I was doing all this writing on substack, and

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I use AI as a as an editor.

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I don't like AI write for me.

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I mean, I'll let it, I'll talk into it, I'll

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use it as a workflow tool, but it's still got

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to be me. And a lot of that comes with

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what do you want to say? Sometimes I'm not sure

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I should be saying the things that.

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I'm thinking in today's world. So that's we got to

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start there, right.

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Yeah, And my buddy Scott's and you see what George

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is saying over on is page.

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I go, no, I don't look. I'm too busy. I

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don't look at my old fucking date. I think I

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know what this up to. I shore, there's some crazy shit,

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but look at the world.

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It's what are you gonna Are you gonna change the

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name one day when we figure this shit out or

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are you just edging your bet that humans are not

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I don't know?

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Okay, okay, you know the thing. So the intent with

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the name was was supposed to be it was like

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a dual meaning because I also looked at World of

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Blaze as people like we're trendsetters or who are like

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pushing the envelope and something. So those are people I

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think are set in the world of Blaze. But at

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the same time, the world is a place, so that

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wasn't that was the original purpose, but it just turned

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out to the world being pretty much on fire, you know.

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That's what funny. Go to the influence, which is my podcast.

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Name was sort of the same idea, and then it

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started taking on a broader meeting.

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I don't want to change it later I'm not sure yet,

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but right now, I mean, it just seems to fit

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everything that's happening, so you know, I'm just rolling with it.

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Well, look, I mean I first of all, that almost

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brings me to my last point here on the whiteboard,

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so we'll probably get there first, but I just stick

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on the creator thing for a second.

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The burnout proposition is real.

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And do you find that on some days your output

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in certain areas is up and then other days it's down.

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And it's like there's no consistency to wait honestly, honestly

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every day, man, you know, like the week of Thanksgiving,

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Like of the Thanksgiving holiday, I took one of the

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days to try to catch I was like at least

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a month and a half behind on actually doing edits

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and getting clips and whatnot out, and I took the

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whole day and I was literally in my office for

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I sware to you when my wife came in and

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she's like, you've been in here for eighteen hours, and

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I'm like, yeah, I'm almost done, you know. And it

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was just literally editing like the last couple of episodes

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and clips and just trying to make sure they're out

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to all the social media platforms. And I still feel

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like I'm behind, you know, It's like I can I

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can never keep up with it. And it's like demanding

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because as soon as you don't do anything, you fall behind.

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It's like you miss one day and you're and people

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forget about you. It's a crazy thing.

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But it's also that the clips are also they're not

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necessarily evergreen. So some of that no, no, no, right

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by the time you get it out, And so for me,

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I have stuff that like let's just say live highlights

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from TikTok or podcast highlights, and by the time I

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get to it, it's not.

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Relevant anymore, or to me, it's not relevant.

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Maybe it would be to the audience, but I've talked

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to myself out of it.

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Now, you're right. You know, I have a few clips

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that actually would be considered evergreen, but most of it is,

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like you said, like I'm you know, I'm trying to

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keep with current events, what's happening, and by the time

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I do get it, You're right. If I don't get

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it out at a certain time, it's like, oh, well, you

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kind of already missed your window. But you know, it's

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I think it's still important to get out, get those

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things out so people can see different perspectives. And a

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lot of what I do on my side is conversations

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with people. You know. I do a few solo episodes,

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which can be in the hinge. Sometimes it's like venting,

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But I like having conversations, and I think that's important

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to get those out.

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Same, So to go to the last thing on my

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list first, the whole joke about changing your name, because

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but we have to get past the word Trump, and

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I question what people are going to do when this

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man's no longer the center of a tent.

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I've thought the same thing honestly before. You know, it's like,

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once he's gone, where are the internative attention? Like where's

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their content going to come from? Especially when you're talking

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you know, us politics. Obviously, it's like without him, there's

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almost like they have nothing to say, you know, and

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there's so much going on, it gets like brushed onder

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the rug because no one's fokes on because it's just

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all about how outlandis Trump is being or what he

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may or may not have said, and that's all they

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focus on. And there's so much more going on there

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really is every day. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just

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saying in general, it's like there's just so much going

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on that's not being talked about well.

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And again, this is the problem I have where class

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people always take the brunt time and time again, works

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of class people take the brunt and the media loves it, right,

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they yeah, but everybody seems tired of it.

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At the same time. I think, I think now, I

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think you're right. I think now, I think it's finally

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got the point where people just don't with the bullshit.

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I'm on X a lot just by the nature of

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what I do politics, Like you just can't get away

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from that, that platform for it. And I've noticed that

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people's responses to a lot of posts have like they're

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really calling people out. They're like, sure, uh, where's your source?

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Where someone will say something right away, people jumping on them,

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where's the source? Where'd you get the information from? Like

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you're lying because X y Z. Like, I think people

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are getting to the point where you're correct. I think

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people are just kind of they're they're actually literally fed

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up this time, you know. And even what's going on

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with what's going on with this Venezuela situation. Everyone's calling

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it out. It's like, whoa, we didn't okay this? Like

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why are we? Why are we over there? What's going on?

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A lot of people don't know why we're there. Even

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I'm still foggy on it. And I talked to a

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lot of different people myself, and it's like, I just

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had this conversation with my my Frank Kurbin. You know,

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we just put put something out another episode he was on.

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He's an Intel analyst, and he could tell me something

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some some things he can't. But at the same time,

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you know, we discussed this and he was like, I

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can tell you my personal opinion, and I can tell

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you what you know, what's happening out there in the

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world in terms of what they're going to tell you.

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And it's like, even after talking to him, we're we're

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still kind of like, I don't know the how's going on?

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I don't understand that play here. I was thinking about

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that this morning. I don't know if Trump understands the play.

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I think this is the real deep state. It's the military. Uh,

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it's the military industrial complex, right, It's it's the business

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of war. And ultimately, the executive branch is a figurehead, right, it's.

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Not the asclute.

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So so he comes in and it doesn't matter what

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he campaigned on. It doesn't matter what any president campaigned on.

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There's an agenda at a much higher level, yes, to

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spread our influence around the world, and you see it

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everywhere we're not meant to understand it.

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We're just meant to be confused and divided. Yeah, a

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lot of times. But I have since we're talking about

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this now, you know, I I'm going to record another

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episode on this, and I'm kind of like, I'll tell

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you guys some of the stuff that I found what

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I think basically on this situation. A lot of people

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saying it's not about drugs. I'm going to say yes

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and no on that. I think that's part of it.

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You know, people are saying, well, Venezuela doesn't actually produce drugs,

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so why are we even over there? Well, drugs. In

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terms of drugs, they're a major trafficking route, and they

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have traffic, not them as a nation, but through Venezuela

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and our surrounding areas. Their government's complicit in it. And

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you know, there's literally two hundred and fifty metric tons

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of cocaine alone that gets traffic through Venezuela and through

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that route. Because it's a major route. Not a lot

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of that goes to the US. A lot of it

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also goes from there out to Asia and Europe. So

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there's been a long standing, ongoing investigations and operations by

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the DEA and FBI with these things, and it does

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involve drugs. In fact, the last time the government, our

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government tried to work with them was during the Obama

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era twenty fifteen. Was the last time when they're like, hey,

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we want to work with you to try to get

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ahead of this and work together. Like people are saying, well,

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why are we not going to Mexico threate now while

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Mexico is an ally and we already worked together with

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them and jointly both with military, DEA, et cetera. So

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it's like we're already working with them. Mexico knows they

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have a problem. We know there's a problem and it's

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on both sides of the border because you know supply demand,

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Like you know, so they're black, but these are not

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black and white issues, no exactly. But I'm saying we're

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already working with Mexico's like we have a relationships. What

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I'm saying with Venezuela, We've never had one. Venezuela has

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always been like screw you, We're gonna do whatever because

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they are bought by the cartels, like the cartels run it.

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They have three major narco terrorists. What they're designated as now,

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but narco's that actually live in Venezuela, they control it.

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And so in twenty fifteen they denied Barack Obama like, no,

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we're not working with you. You know, we have no reason

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to whatever. And so this didn't start with Trump. Now.

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The curious thing, as I think what you're alluding to

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is and a lot of people are asking why now.

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I have the same question. I don't know why all

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of a sudden now except for this. So with everything

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going on around the world, a lot of people don't

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realize that. If everybody remembers a little while back, the

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government was making pretty much kicking the horse dest a

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bit and poking the bear when it came to the

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Panama canal. Right, why while China is out there, they

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have two major companies controlling both ports, right, and so

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who's an ally of Venezuela China. So this, this whole

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thing in terms of this military operation is important to

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deter an operation from an actual mission or military action.

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Operation doesn't mean we're actually doing anything militarily in terms

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of action, it's they're getting things together. At this point,

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they're applying for funding to get things in place, and

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then so they're getting this this whole. It's like putting

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a department, like a separate department at a company together.

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It's like, hey, we might do a marketing team, so

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we need to say we're going to do this and

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get fun.

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And you're saying that it's that this is the US

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in Mexico. No no caio Venezuela, No no no. But

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I was us in Mexico working together earlier.

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I said that. I said that what I said was

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maybe this. What I said earlier was that people have said,

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why are we why are we over there antagonizing Venezuela

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when all the drugs mostly come out through Mexico. And

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I said that the reason is because we're already worked

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with Mexico, like our government's already worked together. We've been

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working together for years where Venezuela.

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So so I just wonder, I wonder how much of

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this is is a product of all of that relationship,

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because what's the interest, what's Mexico's interest in what we're

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going to be doing potentially in Venezuela.

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I don't know outside of cartels, the government, the government

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can care less. I'm sure it's all about the cartels.

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about the trafficking of drugs through Venezuela because it is

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a major It is a major trafficking.

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Route, absolutely, But the bigger picture here is not just that.

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It's also a presence to make sure that we have

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control of the area as China becomes more emboldant. Remember,

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China controls that Panama Canal. They have the Belton Road initiative,

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and they need that canal full control of that area

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to be able to use those roots for their trade

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and their commerce. And so under the what China does

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is like, oh, we have companies there, Chinese companies there. Well,

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the government controls runs those and so what's going to

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be interesting in this whole thing. And I'm going to

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say this out right everybody, I don't really agree with

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how we're handling this. I've never have like the whole

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thing with bold boats. We're very well trained. There's no

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reason we can't stop those boats, capture those people and

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question them and find out what's happening and do some investigations.

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I mean, that part is very true. But as far

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as the China component here is with Venezuela being literally

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a corrupt government a communist government. It looks like we're

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doing good by helping the people. Problem is, regime change

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has never been good ever, and every time we've got involved,

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it never never really always turned out to be a

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better situation for the people there. So there's that problem.

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bearer here with Venezuela, it's not about Venezuela. Really, what's

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China's reaction going to be? China backs Venezuela, They actually

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have investments in Venezuela. They also are in ally of Venezuela.

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They also pledge military protection of Venezuela, and China also

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wants to control that area. So there's the other component

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that I'm looking at more than anything else. It's more like,

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are we setting this up to basically posture and show

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China know we control the areas? Still like this this

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is our backyard, is trying to get an actually react

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and historically from what I've seen from China with their allies,

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not really. I mean they have billions and billions of

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dollars of investments in African nations. They say that they

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support many African nations for example, and other nations around

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the world. But when there's ever a conflict, we've never

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seen trying to come into help these people either. They

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just you know, to kind of hands off. So this

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is going to be interesting to see in my eyes,

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how's trying to going to react to this? How far

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will Trump go? And is he going to react to this?

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And then to answer people's questions about Trump being unconstitutional

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in this, no, not really, that's not true. The president

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can can initiate strikes if there's an imminent threat, or

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they see that there is an imminent threat, they can

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deploy missions. The problem that we're we have here is

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what people need to understand is if it comes to

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an actual mission in any scenario, they need to notify

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Congress than forty eight hours and when it comes to

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a mission, you got sixty days roughly. That's it. But

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none of this matters in this world. None of this matters.

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It ules no longer apply because Trump does whatever Trump

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wants and the people signed up for that.

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Yeah, well that's that's one argument. But in understanding this,

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there's there's I'm just I'm just explaining what's going on,

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and how.

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Much I'm not saying I get it, I get it,

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But what I'm saying is is that like like like

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this is the this is the thing, is like why

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are we still trying to talk about what things should be?

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And I'm not saying you, I'm saying, why are people

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still reacting at the same level to what Trump does

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and the disruption of Trump, like just from the broader

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just to pull back? Yeah, because this is this is

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what he a this is what he's always done. B

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this is what people asked him to do. And at

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a certain point, like where where is it no longer

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genuine like you know that this guy is just gonna

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do whatever the hell he wants. He's never he's there's

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never going to be an opportunity for Donald Trump to

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to how can I phrase this, There's never going to

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be an opportunity for Donald Trump, despite what he's doing

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now that may go against what he campaigned on. There's

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never going to be an opportunity at the ballot box

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for him to ever see that be reconciled with his

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voter base. He's never gonna he's never gonna have to

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see that again. He's never running again, so he's he's

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never gonna have to deal with the fallout. There's no

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political capital loss. That's what I'm trying to say. So

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it doesn't matter when he shatters norms. And that's the

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thing that I get pissed off about when I turn

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on the TV these days. It's like we're still yelling

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at this level. I get it, three, four.

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Or five months after the election. I get it.

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Donald Trump, as he said the first time around, could

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go out into the into the middle of the street.

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In Manhattan and somebody and get away with it. So

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if you set a blow, yeah, yeah, I'm just explaining

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the technicalities of the situation here. I know. I'm just

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because yeah, it's And the reason I'm explaining these technicoloities

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is because I've I've seen all these people posting on

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social media just knee jerk reactions, and I'm not I'm

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not explaining this in defense because I've made it clear

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like I don't really agree with this play. I don't.

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I doesn't say what I'm good do people accuse you

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of that? Yeah, Trump, because see, I don't. I'm not

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tuned into that. I think Scott was trying to tell

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me that that's crazy to me. You sound to me

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when I talk to you, like like very pragmatic about

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your approach.

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Maybe maybe it's maybe I'm wrong. No, I mean there's

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some things, there's some things I agree with from from

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you know where, there are things that he may do

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that look out for America at least on the surface.

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Like I'm saying somethings are good, I'm not saying all

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things are good. Right, we we can criticize the present.

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Whether I voted for him or not, doesn't matter. You

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always have I can criticize them, you know, because the

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reality is what you said earlier was true. A lot

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of people voted for him. I voted for him. I

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said that last time with show. That's fine. But the

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reason a lot of us voted for him is because,

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like you said, said one thing, ran on one platform,

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said he was going to do X, Y Z, and

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ends up not really coming through and this being his

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last term. I completely understand what you're saying, and I

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said the same exact thing. He doesn't care, it's this

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is it. And so this is going to lead probably

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to where the other part of this conversation will go

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is like what's next after Trump? Right? Is he making

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the right place to set up the future for the

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Republican Party moving forward? In terms of the presidency. Is

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he giving JD. Vans a chance? I don't know. I

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don't think he really is. And again, I mean, I

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think if Trump's mind, Trump would rather see the Trump

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dynasty continue, which is not what's going to be best

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for the country. But I also don't think there's any

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replacement for Trump. So no, no, that's the thing. I

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don't think there's always gonna be a legacy. Look, you know,

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it's like when we're talking about the plitary actions, A

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lot of people forget about this. Obama took advantage of

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everything I was explaining, and he bombed and droned. I

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don't know how many people in the lease keep a

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freaking droned a wedding a fucking wedding. A lot of people,

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a lot of people forget about that. And you know,

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we come, we want to talk about and this is

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in depending Trump. I'm just saying, let's let's compare in contrast,

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we talked about Trump, Everyone's like, oh, the deportation is

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this and this great. Everybody calls Obama the deporter in

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chief because he deported three point nine million within a

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certain amount of time. So it was like, you know,

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mass deportation but you know who did more. It was

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Bill Clinton. He deported over twelve million people. A lot

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of people never talked about that. So it's like we

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can't exactly we we got to do actual comparing contrasts.

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Trump is crossed. Trump is an asshole at times, for sure,

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and I don't think he's very presidential representing.

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Look, but that this is such an old conversation though, George,

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this is this is this point about post Trump, like

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this is a conversation from twenty sixteen. I remember having

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these conversations back when I was producing with other people,

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back before Mita's Touch was doing their grift, back before

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the writing project was on the scene, And I used

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to like all these guys until you start talking to them,

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and then you realize that there's a cottage industry of

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just making Trump the boogeyman. I don't really give two

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shits about Donald Trump. I care about the working class

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people that keep this country moving that they're continually getting

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pushed down, and they're getting pushed down by I love AI,

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but they're getting pushed down by things like AI because

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there's no framework, right, there's no guardrails in place.

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Okay, so everything's going so fast. So you pair all.

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Of these things together and like we're doing this downward

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spiral where the mass the mass, the mass population in

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the next couple of years is basically going to be

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stuck at home doing nothing. It's not fear, it's just

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true and all they're going to be left to do

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is to argue about crap.

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My question is how are we going to get out

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of it? Can we?

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And in a post Trump world, are people going to

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be Are people going to be actually which is a

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wild concept, but are people actually going to be like

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like drug addicts that are like on both sides, that

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are now scratching an itch because they can't get a

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fixed Yeah.

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No. So here's here's what I'm going to say. Happy

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to move on to this conversation because it's very it's

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a serious one, and I understand what you're saying about

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these old talking points, but I mean, are they old

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or still relevant? We're still going through it. What my

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point being is a lot of a lot of people

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ignore the past and ignore the real facts of what's happening.

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What I'm trying to get at is this, you can't

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say this guy's a monster when they were all monsters, correct,

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really you know, we.

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Have rely' it's it's we have a very short term

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memory in this country. Yeah, and that's where all was

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going with it. You know, I get it. Oh, I'm

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just having her. I'm just I'm just going back and

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forth with you. But yeah, it's it's an it is

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old conversation.

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But it's like, but.

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People are stuck in it, George, That's what I'm saying,

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And like we're in a loose God right, We're in

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a loop.

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So so it's that's why, like, look, I like having

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these conversations, but I need to push on them because

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absolutely what's next.

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Like a guy like you has the ability to speak

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their mind, to create output, to bring people to the table.

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So it's like, at what point do you stop talking

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00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:25.440
and you just go, all right, I'm going to run

466
00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:26.960
for office, you know what I mean?

467
00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:31.160
Talk about all these content creators shut their mouths and

468
00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:32.160
run for office.

469
00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:34.759
Well that's a good point, and I think I think

470
00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:37.000
of Okay, So if we're talking about moving forward, like

471
00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:39.160
you're talking about post Trump, I don't know what's going

472
00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:44.680
to happen post Trump. It's either gonna get crazier in

473
00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:46.480
terms of what we're seeing on social media and how

474
00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.279
people act or it's going to retract and become what

475
00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.880
it was and become a much more conservative political system.

476
00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:54.599
Not talking about party, I'm just talking about in general,

477
00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.440
like how we present ourselves, watching what we say, not

478
00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:02.039
being so outlandish. Right, it may it may go back

479
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.440
to that. Yeah, I think so, because I think, well

480
00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.960
I would, I hear I hear you, I hear you.

481
00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:10.480
But at the same time, I think, like you said,

482
00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:16.200
people want polish, they want someone who is presidential. They

483
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.400
want a politician to act like an actual politician in

484
00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:21.160
terms of, you know, how how they're representing the people.

485
00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:23.920
But they also want transparent, they want them to do

486
00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:29.559
their damn jobs, you know. So I hope people in

487
00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:32.319
the future, I hope this is what happens. I hope

488
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:36.200
both things happen. I hope that that we polish ourselves up,

489
00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:39.880
be representative and stop being a bunch of you know,

490
00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:42.119
twelve year olds out there streaming in the playground or whatever,

491
00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:46.720
and that we also put the pressure as people. That's

492
00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:49.440
what's needs a change. We're not putting pressure on a politicians,

493
00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:52.319
We're not holding them accountable. That's the problem we're having.

494
00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:55.240
You know, everyone's just going on into life. And you know,

495
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:56.880
you and I have said this before. They read a

496
00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:58.400
headline and like, oh my god, what's going on? And

497
00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:01.000
they believe that to be true. But it's not always true.

498
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:03.559
As you know, the medium manipulates things. So what I

499
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.000
hope post Trump is this we get back to acting

500
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.319
like adults really to be honest, and that we as

501
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:13.640
people start to realize we need to put the pressure

502
00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.720
on politicians and make them do it. We freaking voted

503
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.440
them in their offices to do. How do we do that? Though?

504
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.079
First of all, I don't think that it's going to

505
00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:21.519
be a switch. I think it's going to be a

506
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:25.359
slow fade if anything, if we're lucky. No, I agree

507
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.519
with that one. How do how do we hold our

508
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.119
politicians accountable? That's what I I That's a much more

509
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:37.400
interesting conversation to me than anything else, man, because it's Congress,

510
00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:38.680
and that's what I always go back to.

511
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:40.559
So how are we going to go? Now? Do we

512
00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:44.799
hold them accountable by voting them all out?

513
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:46.720
In other words, the only way to vote them all

514
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:48.960
out is to stop voting, right, So you just vote

515
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.000
them all out by omission and then because you can't,

516
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.440
and that that takes organization, or again, do you just

517
00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:59.039
get enough working class people to flood the system running

518
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:01.240
that somebody else each go knock these people out playing

519
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:04.039
the old game. I think the old game's too slow.

520
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:08.759
I think we need something more disruptive. Look, I'm not

521
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:12.960
a fan of what happened on January sixth, storming the Capitol,

522
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.799
but I was always a fan of storming that the Steel

523
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.000
as a kid. So I have to square that somehow

524
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.400
with myself. Yeah, I guess it comes down to cause.

525
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:29.559
But I certainly feel like Congress needs an enema. It does,

526
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:32.440
so how we fix this?

527
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:36.079
Like you say, voting, that is true, but you know,

528
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:39.920
I think what it means is not that not It

529
00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.039
means the oppostion of what you said. You said not voting.

530
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:45.680
The problem is people aren't showing up to vote right now.

531
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:48.079
That's what's going on as.

532
00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:50.200
An easier answer to everyone to stay home and then

533
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:51.119
nobody gets elected.

534
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.079
Yeah, people just aren't showing up to vote. And that

535
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.039
happened on the last regardless of how people feel about it.

536
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.400
Because I live in California, but the last Prop fifty

537
00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.279
thing that just happen, the California Republicans did not show up.

538
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.160
They did not show up. There was a million, There

539
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:07.680
was a I think it was a couple of million

540
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.880
worth my recall, guys, don't help me. But anyway, there

541
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:14.519
was a lot of Republicans registering California and less than

542
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.279
ten percent show to vote. And it was something that

543
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:19.119
people were like, oh, we got to push back on

544
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:21.359
this redistricting. Well where'd you got you? Guys didn't even

545
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.359
show up. That's the problem. And it doesn't matter if

546
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.319
it's Republican or I'm just saying a lot of times

547
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:27.839
when it matters, right because they say, oh, this is

548
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:29.359
so important, the most important thing ever, we got to

549
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.559
get out there and vote. Didn't even fucking show up.

550
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.559
No, so you this no, but that's the media, right.

551
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.880
So the reason that everybody shows up for a general

552
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:39.079
election is because it's a show.

553
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.359
It's like showing up for the super Bowl exactly. So

554
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:44.559
it's going to be it's going to be Congress correct,

555
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.640
but it's going to be actually caring about your backyard.

556
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:50.319
It starts local. I would believe it starts where it

557
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.279
starts where you live. You've got to get out and care,

558
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.279
you got to show up. You got to actually vote

559
00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:58.519
on issues that really do affect you instead of crying

560
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:01.720
about later because you didn't to show up. And we're

561
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:05.880
holding yeah and whole and well that's part of what

562
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.559
we were saying earlier, holding these people accountable, because you

563
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.039
can't hold them accountable for you yourself. Aren't getting involved?

564
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.319
Really Yeah, but I look, I think I think the

565
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:17.039
problem there is that a lot of people are are

566
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:20.799
working over time just to get by, so they don't

567
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:21.559
have time for it.

568
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.160
Let alone agrees agree with me. But when it comes

569
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.079
to voting, Okay, I'll just say this, I can California.

570
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.319
You they make it easy. They got a ballot box

571
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.200
on every corner. It seems like, really it's not hard.

572
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.880
It's not hard to carry a ballot, drop it. There's

573
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:40.240
they're in every library, there's there's designated places all over

574
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.160
every city where you can drop your ballot. So yeah,

575
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.759
we're all busy, but that that could be like fifteen minutes,

576
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.559
you know, break time, lunch time, whatever, just if it's gone.

577
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:50.440
I meant to.

578
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.079
But yeah, no, I get what you're saying. I've just

579
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.160
been too busy to actually get involved. And what I fear.

580
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.400
Oh that yeah, yeah, that that that part's correct. Yeah,

581
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:02.000
we are Yeah, un fortunate in society where we're just

582
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.319
buried with keeping ourselves busy that we don't make time

583
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:06.400
for the other things that are truly important.

584
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:06.720
I think.

585
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.079
So, I had a guest on the show a few

586
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:13.680
weeks back, and you know what, I don't know if

587
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:16.240
Keena is listening, but I totally forgot to respond to them.

588
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:19.119
So I'm gay we're having this conversation now, this is how.

589
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:24.400
This goes, right, Yeah, but they are a voting tech company,

590
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:29.440
so there have a sort of a multi pronged approach.

591
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.359
They're trying to solve an immediate issue with security and

592
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:37.559
voting boots right, and they're also providing a solution to

593
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.559
get us to the point where people could vote on

594
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:44.400
their phone securely for a general election. Obviously that's a

595
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.119
long road. Yeah, that's a long road.

596
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:49.079
I agree. Rob said.

597
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.640
People don't want to be involved in this. They're being funded, absolutely,

598
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:55.519
That's like any endeavor. People don't want to put in

599
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.039
the hard work.

600
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:56.279
Right.

601
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.559
Most people think that you have to start a business,

602
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.319
if you're going to start a business as an oprenur,

603
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.319
that you google raise money first, and then you go no,

604
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.240
you don't raise money till you need money, and that's

605
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:12.880
all another conversation. So look, I'm just I'm of the

606
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.000
mindset that when I look into this landscape and I

607
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.319
see all these people that are over.

608
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:19.519
In their own little universes.

609
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.200
I mentioned Lincoln Mitas and all these people, like, if

610
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.759
they all actually really cared, they could get organized.

611
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:27.079
We're losing his connection.

612
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:31.200
They could get organized together, create a platform that any

613
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:34.319
candidate could latch onto, irrespective of party, and we could

614
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.480
start putting working class issues at the top of the conversation,

615
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:42.200
just by sort of like whatever the stupid project, what

616
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:47.319
was it, Project twenty twenty five, wherever it was, But

617
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.519
something that's more more universal, something for working class people.

618
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:54.839
I call it America two point zero, something that allows

619
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.279
any candidate to latch onto it. It's set of principles,

620
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.880
things that people want, and I've written out this, but

621
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:02.160
I think we got to do it in a way

622
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.039
that breaks the party system, doesn't have to do with money,

623
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.440
allows anybody to organize off of it.

624
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:09.640
And we've talked about that. I talked about this with you.

625
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:10.960
I have talked about this was Joe Walsh.

626
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.200
The best way I think to take money out of politics,

627
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.480
to stop raising money. There's enough social media out there

628
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.599
to give people the voice and the reach they need

629
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.200
if people really want it. Now people dip on it.

630
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.200
Oh sorry, I thought I dropped out. No, that's perfect,

631
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.920
go I thought I dropped out. I know, I don't

632
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:32.759
know what's going on ether.

633
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.720
What I was going to say is, I think I

634
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:38.839
think this goes back to a bit of what we

635
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:43.200
talked about before. And I think if you want to

636
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:48.240
really start, let let's let's let's pull away the let's

637
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.720
let's pull away the temptations that will have these politicians

638
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:59.079
basically be bought. I say, let's stop lobbyists, I mean

639
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.359
all of them. I don't here no more lobbying, and

640
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.000
at least not the way it's done now. I think

641
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.000
when it comes to lobbying, I think it should be

642
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.079
done in front of everybody in Congress whoever you want

643
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:13.640
to address, you know, just maybe once a month twice,

644
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.640
I don't know. You know, they'll figure it out. But

645
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.079
you get yourself on the list to tell everybody what

646
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.519
you want and why you need your support, and everybody

647
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.759
here's at the same time, and it's out there, it's public,

648
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.000
it's recorded, no backdoor deals, no private meetings done that

649
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.079
bullshit anymore. It's like, here's your here's your chance, get

650
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.720
in front of everybody, publicly broadcast it, by the way,

651
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.880
and let them tell everyone in Congress exactly why they

652
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.880
need their backing, why they should go ahead and pass

653
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.200
whichever bill that benefits with whoever it is. I think

654
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.319
it's I think that that we should start doing that.

655
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.519
There shouldn't be any more super PACs. I say, just

656
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.759
get rid of all of it. Man. They should They

657
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.440
should be working based on their incentive to actually serve

658
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:56.880
the people. And we got to get rid of that

659
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:01.200
and definitely ban anybody in Congress from from fucking investing

660
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.279
in the stock market period.

661
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.799
So the irony of everything you're saying is that that

662
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:11.400
requires a tyrant, a llah doctor Trump to make all

663
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.319
that happen. And even though we a lot of people

664
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.799
don't like what Trump is up to h and a

665
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.279
lot of people don't care because it's not about them.

666
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.640
But it's just funny to me because the only way

667
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.000
to really accomplish all of that is to have somebody

668
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.799
come in, drop a bunch of executive orders, wolves an

669
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:31.880
iron fists and disrupt the system.

670
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.839
I thought Trump would be that guy. Trump.

671
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.359
Trump has made a very you know, it's kind of

672
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.559
interesting you look at that whole thing with Mandani where

673
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.440
he was like just say, ye just just call me,

674
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.799
just call me a fascist, like I don't care likes

675
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.039
it's just easier that way. Like he's so he's even tired.

676
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:55.720
He's like, it's just the show. So it just bums

677
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.240
me out, man, It bums me out. That is as

678
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.680
smart as some of these people are or their intent

679
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:02.599
is so fused.

680
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.039
Well, it's it's like, you know, we kind of need

681
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.559
a tyrant, but maybe we need an actual, real third

682
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.440
a third party organization that would implement this and and

683
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.559
take control. You know, like they come in and say,

684
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.200
let's say the people agree and we vote in, and

685
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.039
we say, look, we need we need a third party

686
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.480
organization to come in for a year and and just

687
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.839
restructure this whole mess and how things are operated. It's

688
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.559
like when you when you hire a consulting company from

689
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.599
outside of your business, right like you're in trouble, you

690
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.039
know what it is, but you need someone to come in,

691
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.200
look at the books, check everything out, and get you

692
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.039
back on track. Maybe we maybe it needs to approach

693
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:43.720
that one instead of relying on who already is in

694
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.119
the system that's way from the outside.

695
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.240
That's why I keep telling Joe Walsh, both publicly and privately,

696
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:53.119
to run. Not because it's about Joe Walsh, Okay, because

697
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.680
he's got the balls to disrupt this shit out of

698
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:00.920
the thing for oople, for other people, and he's run before, right,

699
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.240
And like the thing is is like that dude doesn't

700
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:05.960
want to be the guy.

701
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:07.279
He doesn't.

702
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.519
That guy just wants to fucking get us back to normalcy.

703
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:14.159
Like like, I didn't believe that until I saw that,

704
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.000
you know what I mean, I can't say that for

705
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:18.880
a lot of those contemporaries, a lot of the people

706
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.280
that he does those lives with, that's true.

707
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.039
Yeah, And I've said that to him privately.

708
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:25.079
I've said to him, I was like, I was like,

709
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:26.639
so and so, I don't know how to fuck you

710
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:28.480
talk to that guy all the time, you know what

711
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:28.840
I mean?

712
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.679
You know, I like, but but you got to play

713
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:32.079
the game.

714
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.679
I'm just saying a guy like that, the reason why

715
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:36.880
I think he should run is because he could push

716
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.519
that third party in a way other people couldn't and

717
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.840
open the doors up for other people. And he's all

718
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.679
about opening the doors up for women, which I totally

719
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.480
support because this country could totally benefit from female leadership.

720
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:53.639
We need less white male ego. Okay, So so you know,

721
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.559
let the guy like that just bust the door open

722
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:58.960
and let a lot of a lot of other guys,

723
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.360
you know, just just no pun intended running his way.

724
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.199
Well, I think in that situation, you're correct Joe. Joe

725
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.800
would definitely be the guy to kick the door open,

726
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.639
because he doesn't care. He's he's he seems very on

727
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.280
tent on shaking things up and getting things back on track.

728
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:19.920
My only criticism of Joe has always been this, it

729
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.800
seems like he's just running on a platform if I

730
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.480
hate Donald Trump. That's the way it sounds to me,

731
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.719
and I've talked to him as well. But it doesn't

732
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:31.199
mean that he himself doesn't care about America and care

733
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:33.800
about changing things up, because he's been very adamant about

734
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:39.519
that as well. So I think Joe was wronged when

735
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:40.960
he was in car. I think he was wrong when

736
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:42.880
he was on the other side. I think people didn't

737
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.199
pay attention to him enough when they should have, and

738
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.519
and it turned Joe into what he is now, and

739
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:50.239
he's just like, fuck it, I'm going to kick the

740
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.800
doors down. But I think he needs to have less

741
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.719
focus on I hate Trump because, like you said, it's

742
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.679
a tired talking point. I think Joe needs to focus on,

743
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.360
like you said, what's next, what's up for Trump? Let's

744
00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:03.039
focus on how.

745
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.760
I'm not saying this. I'm not saying this to defend him.

746
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.400
I'm saying this to bring it back to on top

747
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.199
of the conversation. Think about it from a content output perspective, right,

748
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:18.920
Like he's he's holding his audience, but he's run before.

749
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.880
So my whole thing is unlike some other people who

750
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.280
I would really like to name check, but I will not,

751
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.760
He's done it before. So what I'm saying is, if

752
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:34.679
you take this thing that you've held with this thing, okay,

753
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.079
this brand, we would call it as content creators, right,

754
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.639
but if you take it and convert it into this mission,

755
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:44.280
then it makes it worth it. But if all we're

756
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.960
going to keep doing is yelling without also thinking about

757
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.360
how to move forward, then all right is yelling. And

758
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.000
I've said that to him. You've heard me say that

759
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.000
to him, but he's receptive to that. And I just

760
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.840
don't think there's enough people with that kind of set

761
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:58.079
of balls.

762
00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.880
That's that's the same point I was trying to make

763
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.079
h To be honest, it's it's I just I just think,

764
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:06.639
you know, I understand why he's doing what it does.

765
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:11.599
I do. It gives people's attention, it's it's relevant. I

766
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:14.679
understand it. But I I want to hear because he's

767
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.360
very good at what he does. Like he talks people listen.

768
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.519
I just want to hear more post Trump because, like

769
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.039
you said, Trump's done. He's done. He's not going back.

770
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.599
This is this last term, and it's obvious Trump doesn't

771
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.519
give a buck. He's he's gonna make his mark, He's

772
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.199
gonna do what he thinks is gonna make him look

773
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:34.159
good once he's out office. But with someone like Joe

774
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.760
who has the ability to to get in there and

775
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.079
be the disruptor. Like you said, fine, I get it.

776
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:43.400
So let's keep talking about Trump gets eyeballs because a

777
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.039
lot of people are pissed off about Trump. That's just

778
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:50.320
the reality. But also also offer post Trump solutions. Absolutely,

779
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:56.000
would you run, I honestly would, but I don't. I

780
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:57.519
don't think I'll ever get the back name. I'm too

781
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.800
small man, and nobody knows. Nobody really pays attention to

782
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:02.480
a lot of what I do. And the other thing is,

783
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.000
if you look at my my podcast, I think I

784
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:06.400
have a foul mouth. I'm a bit of a sailor

785
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.119
when I speak. So you know, there's a lot that

786
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:09.519
they could probably hold against me in terms of what

787
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:09.960
I've said.

788
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:12.440
But do you think any of that matters anymore in

789
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.280
a post Trump world? I don't think it does. In

790
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:16.960
my mind it does honestly.

791
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:19.840
You know, if I was really going to do this

792
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:23.760
myself seriously, I would I would have taken a different approach.

793
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:25.599
I would have watched my mouth more. I would have

794
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.400
said things differently, not how I feel, but how I

795
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.239
delivered it. Cause I, like I said, I believe someone

796
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.960
who is a polished representative when you're when you're on

797
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.639
the world stage, and that's who you are. You are

798
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.960
representing America to everybody, and I would rather have someone

799
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.679
who you could look at and say, wow, okay, that's

800
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.239
a president, versus why that guy's crass? Look what you

801
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:48.559
just he's very crastically just tweeted, Oh my god, I

802
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.000
can't beliven sayd that like that's just controversial, that's just

803
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.599
getting people to talk about you. To me, that's not

804
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.800
representing the American people at all. You know, to me,

805
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.960
it's kind of selfish, to be honest, It's looked at me,

806
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.280
and that's not what I believe a president should be.

807
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.079
That's not what I would want to be, let's be honest.

808
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.159
So I think I think I would have to, like

809
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.159
I don't know, erase everything I did and start over

810
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.159
and at this point, maybe just you know, using whatever

811
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.000
I might have. You know, as for as many people

812
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.079
who do listen to me to try to get behind

813
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.119
someone who could make that difference, maybe it's better to

814
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.079
you know, help push them along and get them where

815
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:23.440
they need to go and talk to you.

816
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:28.440
About the platform. Is it the podcast? Is it YouTube? Well,

817
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:32.199
it's really I don't even know what a podcast is

818
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.320
any one. Let's just put that way. I call everything

819
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:38.960
a podcast, So that's very fair. I like the audio side.

820
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.480
I've always liked audio because to me, it makes you

821
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.400
pay attention to listen. Yeah, problem is every everything's being

822
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.119
put to video. So I had to get into video.

823
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.320
It's like I did it. So then I went back

824
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.559
to my YouTube and I revamped. I basically just read

825
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.079
did the whole thing. So I've only been doing video

826
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.199
for a little while. Honestly, it hasn't been alone, and

827
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.920
so right now I get a lot more balls on YouTube,

828
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.760
but the audio side still does very well. So you

829
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:09.800
see it. I know that's a contract. You see it.

830
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:13.840
Things go like this, right, It's it's like audio was

831
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:14.719
at the moment.

832
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.639
I can't see it because you're an eight bit video,

833
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.159
So damn it. Just as well as long as you

834
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:21.360
can hear me. Hopefully, like you said, you're still getting

835
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.119
in the video. I mean, that's that's we see it

836
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:23.679
in real time.

837
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.159
This is on the iPhone. Man, we talked about this.

838
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.480
I don't I don't which iPhone are you using? But

839
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:37.639
spending money? Every everything is balls. Every everything is so funny.

840
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.639
You said that everything is a podcast because one's video

841
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.800
gets lumped in. What do you what's the difference between

842
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.719
an episode and a podcast and a TV show.

843
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.840
I don't know. It's to me. It's all to me.

844
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.079
Everything has really become a TV show if you really

845
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.079
think about it, right, there's no there's no difference. Everyone's

846
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.440
everyone's wanting to do the live stream thing, which I get.

847
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.400
The reason I don't is because I'm very sporadic. I

848
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.320
can't keep a schedule. It's it's a lot of things

849
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.679
that's based on what I'm available, right, and then if

850
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.400
you look at people live streaming, they don't want to

851
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.679
admit it, but it's just a it's just a weekly broadcast.

852
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.599
That's all about I say that every day. Yeah, it's broadcasts.

853
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.320
They're always like, hey, tune in at this at seven

854
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.280
am on this date. Like it's always the same. You

855
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.159
are now basically a show. You're a show. You know,

856
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:32.159
it's what it is. You're broadcast, and people don't. People

857
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:33.440
keep they got.

858
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:39.320
To like, my live streams don't exist anywhere for replaying, right,

859
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:42.719
Yeah you're you're I get it, but but as far

860
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.920
as everyone else is concerned, it's it's like they're basically

861
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.199
putting on a show and that's exactly what they're doing.

862
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.119
They're doing a broadcaster no longer a podcast. So I

863
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:55.079
think I think podcast is antiquated. It's like, if you're

864
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.440
gonna if you're gonna stick to audio only, you're a podcaster.

865
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:02.599
If if you're going to do audio, video, et cetera,

866
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.440
you're content creator. And at that point you just got

867
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:07.800
to figure out what category you're in and just lean

868
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.480
into it. You know, if you're a political commentator, then

869
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.679
you are a political commentator. If you're just doing you know,

870
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.280
I don't know, cats dancing on the roof playing violins,

871
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.039
then you know, maybe you're just that guy. I don't know.

872
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:20.800
Its just that you might be doing something completely different,

873
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.800
is what that's about, exactly.

874
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.519
So it's I think I think everybody is literally becoming

875
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.000
a broadcast. There was a show. It's just not on

876
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:32.119
normal me anymore.

877
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.519
I don't know if people think about like so, as

878
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.880
you know, my main thing is IRL. So I go

879
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:41.079
out on TikTok and ice stream live and I'm running

880
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:44.760
around the parks and anybody can go do that because

881
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:51.239
that's there, that's the backdrop. So I've always perceived it

882
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.079
as a broadcast and a show. What are you going

883
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.280
to do differentiate? How do you choose to engage with

884
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:56.920
your audience. You look at the show and you look

885
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.559
at the pieces of the show, and you tool the show.

886
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.320
You tool the show, and there's characters on the show

887
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.559
that come and go and I look at it. I

888
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.039
don't know if everybody out there does that or if

889
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.119
they're just like, well, I'm going live today, right, I

890
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:12.559
don't know.

891
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.519
I don't know.

892
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.519
If everybody that does what you do can can even

893
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.800
have the introspective nature to go. Is this a podcast?

894
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.440
Is this an episode? Maybe it's but you know what

895
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.400
I mean, like, I don't. I think some people are

896
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:30.639
just chasing without thought, you know, and so I I

897
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.079
will I will take all that to say this. I

898
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:34.800
push back on the notion. I don't even know how

899
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.800
many followers you have wherever you have them. I have

900
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:41.320
no clue. The idea that you're too small to get backing,

901
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:47.480
I think is bullshit. I mean, I mean, look, it's

902
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.440
the it's the work ethic, it's the entrepreneurial spirit, it's

903
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:51.639
the ability to produce.

904
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.440
That is what you need in today's world. You don't

905
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:59.280
need the capital. Yeah, Like I said, it's something to consider.

906
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:03.400
And at this point, you know, we got other guys

907
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:07.679
out there that already have momentum, you know, Like you said,

908
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.039
we're talking about Joe. I'd like to see Joe succeed.

909
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.280
I'd like, I'd like to see him become what he

910
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.760
says he is, and if he's given that opportunity to really,

911
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:20.960
you know, turn things upside down. And I've always said it,

912
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.239
I'm more conservative than I am of the left. For example.

913
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.320
But that's what's interesting about Joe to me is he

914
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.519
he is conservative principles, and I've talked to him where

915
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:34.920
he's literally said he's like sometimes he's like this with

916
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:37.719
with the Democrat Party because they don't see eye to eye,

917
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:39.639
but they see the value of what he has to offer,

918
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.400
and he's slowly getting them to understand, like, look, if

919
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:43.920
we're going to move forward, this is how we're going

920
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.400
to do it. So, I mean, I'd be really interested

921
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.199
in hearing his his you know, behind the door conversations

922
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.159
with these people. I'm sure they're very interesting. But I

923
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.760
think I think that, Yeah, I think there's people who

924
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.000
are in a position now that have the momentum that

925
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.639
can actually probably do better. I think if it was

926
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.559
if it was like my case or even your cases,

927
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.400
be honest, I think starting local, get my feet wet,

928
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.960
understanding it better from the inside, and then moving up

929
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:14.199
jumping into something like you know, a presidency is crazy,

930
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.039
like if you don't have the the inside.

931
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:18.800
I'm not talking about presidency, I'm talking about state Senate.

932
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:21.840
I'm talking about no, no, understood. I'm just I'm just using

933
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.119
that as an example, like jumping jumping from here to there.

934
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:29.480
I think anybody with genuine intent on public service would

935
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:31.920
not be looking at the Office of the Presidency first.

936
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.159
You're looking at confiderate as an option, right, Well, no,

937
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.360
because if you if you hit Congress, then you go, well,

938
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:38.239
what's the road map?

939
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:39.519
Exactly.

940
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.679
The reason I just bring it back to all that

941
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.679
is because I think I think that the more people

942
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.000
you have that are taking swings, the better all of

943
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:50.360
our odds increase.

944
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:55.440
Yeah, Like I said, I I've considered local politics, and

945
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.719
I've actually considered Congress in California especially. I think there's

946
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.800
definitely a lot of opportunity. I don't know, I don't

947
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:04.519
know if I'm ready, I'd have to really change a

948
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:06.960
lot of things, Royce, to be quite honest, you know,

949
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.519
but your whole point earlier about getting involved, that's exactly

950
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.159
what we need, right, Like, someone like me, get involved.

951
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:14.960
What's the next step outside of just talking crap on

952
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:20.000
a mic? Get involved? Right, that's the next step. So, yeah,

953
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.360
something I'm considered. I think it's something that most everyone

954
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.000
who does what I do should consider. But then you know,

955
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:27.920
you got to you gotta be you gotta looking at

956
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:31.639
from this point of view too, Royce. Sometimes being the

957
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.639
person that can call shit out as it is and

958
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.360
bringing attention to the matter is what's needed as well.

959
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.559
So you need both sides, you really do. You absolutely do,

960
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:42.000
because you need accountability.

961
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.880
Yeah, you do. But not every content creator is a journalists.

962
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:50.880
No I'm not. I mean, I I do research, but

963
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.320
I'm not going to call myself a journalist. No, no,

964
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.960
I don't. Look, most of these guys are journalists. Most

965
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.440
of these guys are just you know, they're content creators.

966
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.960
Literally said, that's the only that's the best part, because yeah,

967
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:03.760
but at what at what point are they a content

968
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.400
creator versus a machine? You know, it's like that's just

969
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.159
spitting out content because a lot of these a lot

970
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.840
of these bigger guys, they claim they're always independent, but

971
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:13.360
they have like one hundred people working for them.

972
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.840
They have teams just scouring the Let's let's end up

973
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.639
my as touched, you know, let's talk about MS touched

974
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.880
for a second, because you don't know this, but I'm

975
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:24.679
the one that put Might's touch on and I will

976
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.360
take the credit for help how much bullshit that they

977
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.119
put out over the years, because in the early days

978
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.199
I was doing stuttering John and Noel Castler's podcast. Okay,

979
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.559
And I was producing that and I I saw and

980
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.199
by episode two this video these guys put out and

981
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:44.440
those guys put it on and John tweeted it out

982
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:45.800
and it blew them up, and they.

983
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:46.559
Had a pack credit.

984
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:50.960
Now that pack is no longer and their immediate company

985
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.360
maybe the pack still exists, I don't know, but they

986
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:56.079
went from politics to media company.

987
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:57.519
To your point, so.

988
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:03.760
Now you're an independent media organization, but you're a media organization, yes, okay,

989
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.440
So all along when you were out there acting like

990
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:12.679
an activist and a political movement, you were really going

991
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:17.320
for media company, which means at this point, what is

992
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.000
your intent? Your intent is solely to make money, not

993
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:20.920
to make a difference.

994
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:25.239
Yeah. It flips, It flips, And that's that's the thing

995
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.800
I think about, like not saying this will, but let's

996
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.840
say you or I became famous of that level in

997
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.559
terms of our shows, right or what we're doing. Would

998
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:36.880
we have the integrity to stay the course and who

999
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:39.920
we are? You know? I think about that sometimes because

1000
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.559
you know, you never know how I know someone wills

1001
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:43.559
I don't use the money.

1002
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.639
If I would let me tell you something, if I

1003
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:49.760
if I ever get the position of Congress.

1004
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:51.880
I will be hated by both sides. I will be

1005
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.920
the person yeah that's hated by everybody. Well, that would

1006
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.519
be me. I can guarantee you that, Yeah, I'd be

1007
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:01.559
the same way. But you know, I'm just saying when

1008
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.760
when it when it comes to like this show, podcasting,

1009
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.440
whatever we call this, as you said, I agree with that.

1010
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:11.599
I don't know what it is anymore. Personalities like us

1011
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:13.400
need to stay at the course and what I what

1012
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.679
I've seen and that's why I was doing that out

1013
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.119
there is when people start to get that money and fame,

1014
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.800
is it them changing or is it them keeping up

1015
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.039
with the demand of what they built?

1016
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.000
So that goes back to the to the to the

1017
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:29.760
walls trunk thing, and it's like, well, this is what

1018
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:31.239
I build, is what people expect.

1019
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:32.199
How do I disrupt it?

1020
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.760
And most people, if they're fortunate enough to get that,

1021
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.280
then become fearful of disrupting it. And that goes for

1022
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:40.960
any content creator. I see that in my world with

1023
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:42.800
what I do in the parks. It is the dem

1024
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.960
part of it all. It takes a lot to break

1025
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.719
what you build. It takes a lot, you.

1026
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:52.679
Know, it does. And I always go back to This

1027
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:54.280
is just from personal experience. So this is what I

1028
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.159
can actually speak to h where this situation was kind

1029
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.880
of kind of applied to with my business I have.

1030
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.480
You know, when I'm when I'm doing event and consert production,

1031
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:05.440
for example, and I'm out there, I built it to

1032
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.800
a certain level that it became so known or I

1033
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.719
became known within that certain industry in my where I

1034
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.159
am that it's almost like you invest all this money

1035
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:18.679
in equipment, and you invest all this money and payroll

1036
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.199
and infrastructure and having people that all of a sudden

1037
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.199
it turns into like I'm feeding this machine, Like I

1038
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.519
don't know how to stop it. I can if I do,

1039
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:29.800
the whole thing just implodes on us, all house of

1040
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:33.920
cards exactly. Yeah, Because I mean that's how it eventually gets.

1041
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.000
It's like you're just moving so fast and it's like, wait,

1042
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.920
I need this, I need it. And so that's I

1043
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.320
think that's what happens to a lot of a lot

1044
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:45.199
of these so called podcasters, right. I think they start

1045
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:48.519
they start with good intentions, and I'm not saying that

1046
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:50.840
in their heart they may no longer have good intentions,

1047
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.000
but now they realize they got to feed the beast.

1048
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.599
Because you know, if they miss one episode, if they

1049
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.239
don't say one thing after a major event, people lose interest,

1050
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.360
they move on, and they can't afford to move on.

1051
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.400
So it's like you have to disconnect from that. I

1052
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.000
thought in the early days that was my biggest fear.

1053
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.360
It's if I disappeared for a day and they'd all forget.

1054
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:14.119
And I have gone on many a hiatus, and you

1055
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:16.559
learn it in the real world of TV and production

1056
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:20.559
that hiatus is normal. You don't expect your favorite show

1057
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:22.679
to put out an episode every week, every day of

1058
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:26.360
the year, or every week of the year, So there's breaks.

1059
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.840
That's healthy. But the cycle of social media makes you

1060
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.559
feel like in order to stay on top, you have

1061
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.079
to always be there. Well. And that's the reason my

1062
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.960
social media is not that big. I don't sit there

1063
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:42.159
twenty for seven work in it. I just don't have

1064
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:44.199
the time. I got a real life, you know, I

1065
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.280
got real things to take care of. But these other

1066
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.840
people were talking about that is their career. Now, you know,

1067
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:51.960
I'm saying like they don't know how to disconnect and

1068
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.440
shut it off you and I like, I know you've

1069
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:56.800
got a hiatus, so do I. I am not consistent.

1070
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.239
You know what's well, today's Sunday. So yesterday was my

1071
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:02.880
day off.

1072
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.119
Okay, Now I joked that it's my day off because

1073
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.239
all week I'm streaming, But yesterday was my day off.

1074
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.400
So I spent all morning doing other things, and then

1075
00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:12.280
I still went to the park and streamed. What do

1076
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.920
we streamed seven hours on TikTok last night? Yeah, that

1077
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.960
was my day off. That's a day. That's a day

1078
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.840
that is no day. But because you know what happens,

1079
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:23.280
and I know you can relate to this, and I'm

1080
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.599
really glad that actually we're doing a little under the

1081
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.840
hood on process this time, but we can relate to this.

1082
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.960
I had done so much of everything else that I

1083
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.719
had to do that I was tired of that shit

1084
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.639
and I just wanted to do the thing that I do,

1085
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.280
the thing that people expect me to do, the thing

1086
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.559
that I enjoyed doing. The most thing that comes frost is,

1087
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:45.880
you know, the thing that makes the most money. But

1088
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:47.960
like you have to stop sometimes you have to do

1089
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.400
the editing, you have to do the Yeah, like anybody

1090
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.519
who saw my socials yesterday, it was like, oh, he's

1091
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.760
catching up on videos, because I was dropping videos everywhere.

1092
00:52:56.199 --> 00:53:00.719
That's what I do the same thing. Yeah, but I

1093
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.360
just dump it. Yeah.

1094
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:04.559
But but do you remember the time when you were

1095
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.360
when you overthought that, you were like, I don't want

1096
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:06.639
to put that.

1097
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.280
I don't want to put two in a row. I

1098
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:09.880
don't book. Now you're just like, fuck it, I gotta

1099
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:11.679
get these out of my plate. Yeah. You know, there's

1100
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.960
supposedly this formula to posting on social media, releasing things

1101
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:16.400
like I don't even care. I'm at the point now

1102
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:20.119
it's like, you know what, I'm I don't have time

1103
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:22.000
for this. You know, I don't use a bunch of

1104
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.159
scheduling software. And it's like I have the time now,

1105
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:26.360
I'm just gonna put it out because I don't know

1106
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:27.400
when I'll be able to have the time to do

1107
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.440
it again. So it's like whatever. Uh, but I think

1108
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.840
I think this content creation thing, you know, if you

1109
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.840
let it, it'll take you over and you'll it'll become

1110
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.599
this beast that you got to keep feeding. And you're right,

1111
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.199
you got to take breaks, you got to step away

1112
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:43.920
and just realize, like you've got to have a normal life, man,

1113
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:45.639
You've got you've got to be able to you know,

1114
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:49.320
because look, social media is not necessarily the real real world.

1115
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.559
It's it's filled with bots, it's filled with AI, it's

1116
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.679
filled with a lot of things that you could be

1117
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:57.960
arguing with with the freaking program. You know, that's the

1118
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.320
reality of it. So you got to tune out and

1119
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:03.920
talk to people in the real world. Like compare a

1120
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.239
contrast with just on social media with what your friends

1121
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.039
and family or your colleagues are saying in the real world.

1122
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.519
And that'll give you engage to what's really happening, you know,

1123
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.360
and that But that goes for the audience. It's it's

1124
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.599
both the producers and the consumers as I call them.

1125
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.679
Everybody needs a little moderation and I think that the

1126
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:23.760
biggest problem with social media. And we can end on

1127
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:24.559
this because I know you have.

1128
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:28.199
To go is it.

1129
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:34.760
It works best for the companies when engagement is up, obviously,

1130
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.639
So what's what's the thing that drives engagement?

1131
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:43.079
Conflict? Right, So you're not it's just like the news

1132
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.800
on the on the on TV and in the old.

1133
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:51.599
Days, the old days joy right, Uh, you know, it's

1134
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.440
provocative cells conflict sells nobody. You don't turn on the

1135
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:58.000
news to see happy stories. You turn on the news

1136
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.280
to see car wrecks and fires. Yeah, you know, now

1137
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.599
whether people realize that's another story. You gotta be honest

1138
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:07.679
with yourself. So so strong is designed for negativity.

1139
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.000
It's all rage bait, you know. Rage bait drives the algorithm.

1140
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.360
That's just basically what it is. And the fact that

1141
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.840
we have an algorithm, a program determining what content is

1142
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:19.280
seen and what isn't is ridiculous. It's not really based

1143
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.320
on what people come across and what they actually like.

1144
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:26.800
It's it's about what's fed, what's force fed to you? Really,

1145
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.559
and I think some people, you know, it's a big game,

1146
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.280
and it sucks because it's like if you keep seeing

1147
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:36.559
the same message over and over and over, you either

1148
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.039
eventually buy in or you become so disgusted that you

1149
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:42.559
just check out. And unfortunately a lot of people buy in.

1150
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:45.719
You know. It's it's just the way it is. It's

1151
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.039
just basic, you know, marketing one O one. It's like

1152
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:50.519
just like you said before, you know, when you refer

1153
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.559
to evand fledden is almost shit. That's what happens. It's

1154
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.840
just constant. But unfortunately it's based on a computer program

1155
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:00.400
doing that. It's not us connecting with what we really

1156
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:03.199
like or we're just we're just like seeing the same.

1157
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.239
Like I talked maybe exampt about cats, for example, cats

1158
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.000
dancing on a rip up. You see it over and

1159
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:09.719
over and over and over, and then you start to go,

1160
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:11.159
you know that's kind of funny, you know, I like that.

1161
00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:12.280
I'm gonna look at more cats.

1162
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.239
Like you're being conditioned to you don't even get like

1163
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.280
this stuff, No in five seconds and then tells you

1164
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:22.199
you like cats exactly. So you're being conditioned to like

1165
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.000
what you like on social media, and that's why your

1166
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:25.840
feed turns into what it is, and that's why all

1167
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.800
you see is this sometimes just super negative stuff is

1168
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.840
because that is what you're responding to. I guess the

1169
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.679
only way to break the algorithm is stop responding, you know,

1170
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.840
say no, I don't like this, you know, move on

1171
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:41.239
to something else. I switched iPhones like a week or

1172
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:43.920
two ago. I'm actually late to return it, and AT

1173
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:45.599
and T he's like, well you can't. You can't do

1174
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.760
the swap now, and I'm like, we'll figure this out later.

1175
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Because I'm not.

1176
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You know, I need time as a content creator to

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get all this stuff off my phone.

1178
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:54.679
I can't do it at the time they give me

1179
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and I'm too busy.

1180
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But anyway, so I never I realized I never brought

1181
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.280
the X app over because I did like I don't do,

1182
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:08.480
like an auto update. I manually bring stuff over from

1183
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:10.840
phone to phone, right, And so I had not been

1184
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:12.679
on X in weeks.

1185
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.920
The best thing I've ever done. I did the same thing.

1186
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.920
I just got back on it because I had a

1187
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:21.719
little bit of a break and I, you know, I

1188
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:23.159
had to catch up on some stuff, and I was

1189
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:27.760
just like, it's such a different world since you brought

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00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:29.960
up iPhone. I was gonna bring this up. I don't know,

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00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.199
I know I got to go, but I'm gonna. I'm

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00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:33.920
gonna read up. Did you did. I'm gonna read it.

1193
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.559
Did you hear about the Apple legley being sued for

1194
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:43.840
possible use of conflict minerals? So there's an advocacy group here.

1195
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.599
I are a advocates. They sued Apple over the use

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00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:50.320
of minerals from conflict zones and human rights abuses in

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00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:56.920
the Democratic Republic of Congo and Rwanda, despite Apple's denials. Interesting,

1198
00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:58.320
I only brought that u because you were talking about

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00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.280
Apple earlier and you said it again. But it seems

1200
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:03.960
like they're in hot water and this and this is

1201
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:07.719
basically circling back to what we talked about earlier about

1202
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.400
post Trump, I think we're going to see more people

1203
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:14.320
standing up and holding people, companies, everything accountable because I

1204
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:17.760
think they're kind of done with what's happening and they're

1205
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.639
they're actually like looking through the bullshit and doing their

1206
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:22.679
own research and finding the truth and going hold on,

1207
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:23.360
this isn't right.

1208
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.559
We got we got to do something about this. So

1209
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.360
that that's an interesting, right, I hope you're right. But

1210
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.760
who's going to stand up to Apple? Apple's like the

1211
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.719
one of the richest companies. If at the richest company, Well,

1212
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:36.320
there's I got to read deeper interest. But there's there's

1213
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.519
an advocacy group that actually came together to bring this

1214
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:42.360
lawsuit to Apple. Apple, So it's happening. So the lawsuit

1215
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:47.800
ledges apples supply chain includes cobaltin tantalem tungsten linked to

1216
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.920
child enforced labor armed groups in the Congo Rwanda, And

1217
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.039
you know what, A lot of that I'll just say

1218
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:56.199
is true. And a lot of that is also driven

1219
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:58.639
by China, who actually controls the area and the minds,

1220
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:01.239
and that's the whole of conversation, something that's not talked

1221
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:01.840
about enough.

1222
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:04.400
But I thought, I'll leave you with that little tidbit.

1223
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:06.639
I gotta just put a button on that now because

1224
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.559
you're bringing this to Disney and you don't even realize it.

1225
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:10.400
So they talk about Cole Bolton on the on the

1226
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:14.679
Animal Kingdom on the Safari because they talk about conservation,

1227
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:18.960
animal conservation, recycling your electronic devices because these are minerals

1228
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:22.760
that are that are finite right and it affects the

1229
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.960
environments of these animals like the elephants. So it kind

1230
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:30.000
of all comes back. But yeah, yeah, leave it there.

1231
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:34.199
But conservation and caring about the planet should not be

1232
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:39.159
a political issue, George, No, it should not. Why I mean,

1233
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:43.199
you're laughing at that, which just hilarious to me, because.

1234
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:46.079
It shouldn't be. That shouldn't even an argument. And it's like,

1235
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:48.119
do you just walk in your living room and just

1236
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.320
throw trash on the ground?

1237
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:52.159
I mean really, I knew a guy in Studio City,

1238
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.320
California that literally did. I walked into his house and

1239
00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:58.440
his entire house was littered with trash and I didn't

1240
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.039
know it, and I had the drummer from the Tonight

1241
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.920
Show with us because I was working an NBC at

1242
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:06.079
the time, and I'm like, and he wanted to he

1243
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.360
wanted to smoke a bowl, and I was like, Oh,

1244
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.960
we'll go over here to Lee's house. I didn't know

1245
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:15.280
that Lee was a spoiled kid. That literally, what George,

1246
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.039
when I tell you, this kid had trash on the

1247
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:20.599
floor across the entire house. He had trash on the floor.

1248
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:23.760
There's no exaggeration here. It was the grossest thing I've

1249
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:25.840
ever seen. And we had to kick trash away to

1250
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:30.239
sit down. People live that way. That's crazy, man, People

1251
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:33.599
live that way. So yeah, I know I treat the

1252
01:00:33.599 --> 01:00:39.360
earth that way. Yeah, yeah, that's ridiculous. But anyway, I

1253
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:42.360
did it. What you said, it's correct. Yeah, we It

1254
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:46.079
should not be a political issue, correct, It really shouldn't.

1255
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:48.480
All right, Well, look I got to go. I got

1256
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:51.079
the other guy over here. Oh real, poking at me?

1257
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:54.119
No on all, wrap up, wrap up, We'll do it. No, No,

1258
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.800
we'll we'll do this again. I'm sure. I enjoyed these conversations,

1259
01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:58.159
and I like that today became.

1260
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:01.079
A little bit more about about work, because that's work

1261
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:03.079
has been really heavy for me lately, so I kind

1262
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.599
of like that hear other people's process and not feel

1263
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:06.440
like I'm on an island.

1264
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:11.480
You know. Yeah, I'm not being said, you know what,

1265
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:14.679
and that's being said. I suddenly have another one lined

1266
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:17.679
up right now, So it's like, go, you're not working

1267
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.599
hard enough. Go all right, thank you, risk, take care,

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01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:27.159
bye later. By
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Royce D’Orazio is a media producer, former radio personality, and content creator with a background spanning broadcast TV, FM radio, and independent production. Known for his bold takes and no-holds-barred interviews, D’Orazio is emerging as a powerful independent voice in the new era of media—one not afraid to challenge narratives or speak the unfiltered truth.

He is a veteran of TV, radio, and production, brings a dynamic and fearless voice to the mic—one shaped by decades behind the scenes in media and an unrelenting curiosity about what makes culture tick. On Under the Influence, nothing is off-limits. From deep dives into politics and pop culture to critiques of corporate media and even hot takes on Disney, Royce takes listeners into the stories people are afraid to tell—and the truths they’re desperate to hear.