Michelle Stiles - Media Manipulation and The False Sense of Control
Author Michelle Styles takes us down a historical roadmap of the evolution of media manipulation and controlled narratives that have kept society contently boxed in and controlled. From government to big corporations, our destiny seems predetermined as we are continuously molded and manipulated into becoming "good citizens" and feed the big machine of power and control, as we are given a false sense of hope.
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I may or may not have something in here just so you don't have to hide it.
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All right.
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So I'm just messing with you.
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All right.
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Well, now I got to go get some, no.
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You should.
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He should.
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Let's make this a conversation.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Michelle, look, we are, we are recording now, so I may or may not put that in
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there.
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We'll see.
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Anyway.
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Appreciate you coming on and being patient.
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I, again, up to last minute here.
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So thank you for waiting a few minutes here so we can get this set up.
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I want to hear all about what it is you're doing with your book.
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I want to, I want to discuss misinformation in media, which seems to be your thing.
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And whatever else you want to do, to be honest, I'm here to have an open conversation
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with you.
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And, you know, everything that you're about, everything your book's about and what's going
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on in the world now from your perspective would be awesome.
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Okay.
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Why don't you take us away?
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That's great.
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That's great.
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Thanks for having me.
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I love getting together with other people and just talking about what's going on.
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And there's, you know, definitely things that people are concerned about.
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There's anger and frustration on both sides, really.
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And I think, you know, for me, it started about 15 years ago and I saw some corruption
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I mean, it was a small anthill, right?
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Compared to a lot of other things.
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And I thought, holy cow, you know, things filter down from the greatest concentration
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of power.
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And so I really wondered what the heck was Washington like?
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I mean, you know, and I had not been, I didn't not listen to politics, but it
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certainly wasn't my thing.
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And so, you know, and then I saw the rise of Barack Obama and not really to say
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you know, particularly bad about him.
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It's just that he was a junior senator.
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And I said, wow, I mean, like if you're going to be a leader of the free world,
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it just seems like you should have more experience.
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Right. And so what's going on here?
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We just we have sock puppets where they're really not doing all that much
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leading. They're just they're just being elected.
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And so that got me to just study.
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Somehow in my mind, I said, I want to study propaganda.
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And so I got Creel's book.
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And you're familiar with Creel, right?
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George had the Committee on Public Information in World War One.
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And so he wrote a book that said how we advertised America.
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And so it was basically this like fist bump.
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Look what we did in World War One.
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Right. Six million dollars to convince our forefathers really essentially to
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fight in a war they didn't want to.
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They used everything.
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It was completely multi-channel.
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They used exhibitions.
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They used speaking clubs.
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They used which was which ended up being the four minute men where they're
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borrowing local authority to convince the people.
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It was posters, signboards, paid historians to write, write books and articles.
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And there was news media that went all across the world.
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I mean, it's just a massive undertaking.
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And I remember thinking like I didn't learn any of this.
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And school, right.
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And then there was a big, huge backlash to what had been done in the war.
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And I didn't really realize that either.
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So I started asking my friends like, you know, what was your class like?
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Yeah. And people really just looked at me blankly.
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And so anyways, so I just I just started digging that.
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And that was it.
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So, you know, I ended up in 2018 feeling like I would, you know,
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try to write a book, even though I thought I was pretty, pretty doubtful about that
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and kind of almost argued against it to myself.
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And I think whoever said the phrase
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anything worth doing is worth doing poorly was a genius.
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You know what I mean?
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Because, you know, I wrote it, I was like, OK, well, this would be good
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for like parents, maybe teaching their kids or something like that.
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And it was just OK.
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And like I don't consider myself a writer, really.
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But then by 2020, watching what happened there,
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and I had already been still researching.
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And so I was putting more flesh in the bones, right?
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Like, I'm going to add that I can add this.
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And so by 2020, I said, I really need to start working on this.
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And so I renewed efforts.
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Of course, I was working at the time.
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So it'd be early mornings or, you know, whatever.
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And then in 2022, my mom passed away.
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And you know how sometimes things like that with a death,
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I said, you know, I'm finishing this.
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And so got it out in late 22.
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And so that was the first book.
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And it was received pretty well for a physical therapist, really, really well.
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So, OK, so it sounds like once you discovered
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and were awakened to probably the very first confirmed examples
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or actual mission of state-sponsored propaganda by the United States, really,
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then that pretty much motivated you to go down the rabbit hole of like,
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well, if they're lying to us here, what else are they lying to us about?
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Is that what sparkled on really?
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Yeah, well, I mean, because everything seemed really like,
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you know, it just keeps rattling apart with the news, you know?
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And it's like, how are they doing this or what's really going on?
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And I felt like if I learned something about that,
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then I would be better able to, you know, parse the tea leaves, so to speak.
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Right. So how deep did you go in all this?
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I mean, how far did it did it drag you under the water, so to speak?
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Because, I mean, it's really easy to get caught up in.
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Look, we'll just we'll just put it out there.
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A lot of people will say, well, you're just a conspiracy, you know,
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you're a conspiracy person, right?
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And it's so easy to to to dive down beneath those waters.
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You start dredging it and you uncover one thing and uncover another
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and just leads to another conspiracy, another one.
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And a lot of people say, well, that's all hogwash.
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Like, you can't prove it.
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So therefore, it's just all stories.
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But in your experience so far from your research, everything you're doing
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is is that necessarily always the truth?
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Because it doesn't sound like it is from your perspective.
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You know, it's it's funny because I my first book,
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I stayed away from right or left.
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And I really tried to stay away from even that term because, you know,
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it just blocks people, right?
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I don't I'm not trying to to I just like,
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do you know our history in the right?
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Do you know what I mean?
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And so.
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And then I actually got to and, you know,
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like my second book is even to me more amazing, right?
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It's it goes back.
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OK, can I read you a quote from you can do whatever you like.
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OK, so this is from Graham Wallace.
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Are you familiar with him at all?
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Heard the name.
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OK, he's a Fabian socialist from the United Kingdom.
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He was associated with, you know, H.D. Wells,
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Beatrice Webb, right, that whole Huxley.
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And and he was also influential in the London School of Economics.
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He mentored Walter Littman when he came over,
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I think stayed a year and studied under him.
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So he's a pretty prominent guy, right?
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So he says this and I'm going to read this book.
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OK, so it says popular election, it is said may work fairly well
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as long as those questions are not raised,
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which cause the holders of wealth and industrial power
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to make full use of their opportunities.
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But if the rich people important clause there,
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if the rich people in any modern state thought it worth their while
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in order to and he lists a number of things, secure a tariff,
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legalize a trust, you know, oppose a confiscatory tax.
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He basically said there's no nothing yet invented
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that would prevent them from spending that money.
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They said if they did so, there's so much skill to be bought
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and the art of using skill for the production of emotion
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and opinion has so advanced that the whole condition
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of political contests would be changed for the future.
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No existing party, unless it enormously increased its own fund
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or discovered some other new source of political strength
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would have any chance of permanent success.
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OK, so he says the art and skill of using
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for using for the production of emotion and opinion.
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This is what we're talking about, right?
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It's not specifically said propaganda has advanced so much
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that if holders of wealth want anything, they can get it.
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Well, that about knocked me off the chair I was sitting in
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because it was written in 1908.
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So my research had really just gone up to the war
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and then you sort of lose the trail of propaganda.
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And of course, the word propaganda is an oxymoron.
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American propaganda is kind of an oxymoron in the United States.
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It's like we're not supposed to engage in it, right?
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The enemies do it.
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And it's just recently that people are like, wow, you know,
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there's a lot of things happening, you know,
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maybe the last 20 years with fake news. Right.
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So when I got to here, I just said, like, I know nothing.
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Right now, I can I can start to pull on these strings
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and find out what he's talking about.
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And so that's what the whole other book is about.
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And it was just been fascinating.
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So well, well, here's the thing.
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The quote you read is
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has been absolutely proven to be true because, you know, there's been
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there's many psyops by the military, for example, that have taken place.
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And, you know, like MKUltra for one, you know,
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but really involved LSD and other things, but it's really meant
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to open your minds that you're easily manipulated and and controlled
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almost like the man tree and candidate type thing.
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Right. Same thing.
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So, yeah, propaganda isn't direct is absolutely easy.
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Manipulate people by playing on their emotions
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because humans are easily manipulated by their emotions for sure.
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And also, if you also challenge and pull out the heartstrings of morality.
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Right. So it's absolutely easy to control people that way.
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If you directly say, hey, do this, of course, they're going to deny it
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and they're going to see through it.
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But if you if you're able to play on their emotions and if you're able
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to challenge the more the moral tenets that they believe in,
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then it's easy to steer them where you can.
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I mean, wherever you want to corral them and make them do what you want.
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As long as you know how to understand how to manipulate those things.
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So it's an interesting quote, which was written in 1908, you said?
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1908. Isn't that interesting?
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Yeah. No, it's fascinating.
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It's like an anomaly that jumps out at you.
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It's like, wait a minute.
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So let's go back.
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Let's go back and start to look at what was this skill
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that they're talking about. Right.
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And I realized that, you know, as I did my research,
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it starts, you know, essentially with the right.
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Like I call it the rise of the commercial society. Right.
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So you have the Penny Press in 1833.
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You have the newspapers who, you know,
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before they were six cents a day.
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And that was pretty much for the middle to upper aristocracy.
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Every man couldn't afford that. But once it went down to a penny,
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and of course then the investment costs went skyrocketing too.
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So that was sort of all of a sudden it was consolidating news because,
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you know, the little guy couldn't play. Right.
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The little newspapers were getting squeezed when that happened.
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So the Penny Press, of course the railroads are expanding at that time.
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So you're getting the dissemination of news,
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you know, across the country much easier.
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And so they start to sell things like, you know, book subscriptions,
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magazine subscriptions, nostrums, potions,
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you know, things like elixirs and things that could be sold. Right.
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But anyways, and then, and then you realize, okay, well,
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then they start, you look at later, later on, they start selling events.
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And so PT Barnum and the Wild West were the two most
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prominent and they start to use these set of techniques that are,
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that are labeled under like publicity or press agentry.
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And so like, you know, we, I,
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and I thought that Bernays was sort of the father of stagecraft.
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Are you familiar with that term? Yes. Okay. So stagecraft being,
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creating news essentially. Right. Yeah. In, in, in this context. Yeah.
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Right. So it's like his torches of freedom campaign.
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Would your audience be familiar with that? No, actually, go ahead.
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Okay. So the torches of freedom campaign was him working for Philip
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Morris, who wanted to, to open up the market for women to smoke.
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Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you're probably familiar now. So anyways,
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so he concocted this scheme that was considered stagecraft, right?
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It's manufacturing news.
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parade. And they,
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they go to a certain designated spot in the parade route where the
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newspapers are, they roll up their skirts,
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they take cigarettes out of their garter and they,
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they spoke torches of freedom.
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women clamoring to be able to smoke just like men. Right.
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battle of the sexes sort of thing and an independence for women.
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a bad woman, if you were smoking, you know,
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and so they wanted to break it open into the regular population.
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when he teaches probably public relations counselors,
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he says, you have to know what news is, and you have to create that news.
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So that's what is called stagecraft. Okay. So it's staging events,
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but that comes directly from PT Barnum and Buffalo.
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I'm not saying, cause it probably came from Europe, right. But,
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I mean, it's, it's, it's really, it's a theater term, you know,
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I'm actually in the events industry. So that's where it started.
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It was in the theater. So referring to the ability to manipulate a set,
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you know, whatever it is, it was fooling the audience to believe in whatever is
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there is real.
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Yes. Okay. So, so, so like, for example, or they would just make news, right?
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Like they would, they would march, jumbo the elephant down.
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Extremely applicable to what you're talking about. It really is like stage,
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totally makes sense in how they're going to manipulate the news and call
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and label that stagecraft. Cause that's what they're doing. Yes.
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Literally. Yes. So anyways, well, so that, so, so that technology,
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if you will, our way of thinking about it and, and what,
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what the benefit to all these publicists was that you were getting free
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advertising. Okay. So you didn't have to pay for advertising.
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You were getting it, you know,
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put on the front page with a big picture of jumbo the elephant, right.
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these publicists started learning these techniques and utilizing them more
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and more. And then in like 1893,
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like summary, right? Where there's this extended, um,
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description of what they did for publicity to promote the world's fair.
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they spend thousands of dollars, even, even per,
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like it was a thousand dollars in, in postage a day. They were mailing,
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40,000, they're mailing 40,000 pieces of mail out.
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have you ever heard of a clipping Bureau? Yes, I have. Okay.
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they would go, you know, page by page, and then they would, um,
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cut out any references to the, and then,
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and then categorize and put them in a scrapbook and categorize the kinds of
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comments that were made.
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newspapers or give them articles or send them a little bit of a gram or
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whatever it was they could do to sort of write, you know, the,
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the perspective or the attitude that they had toward the fair. And, um,
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anyways, so they start putting all these techniques together,
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and it's not long after that. So that's 1893. And you see that this,
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this technology is getting much more powerful. Um, and these are, again,
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this was a corporation owned the world's fair.
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people in advertising that were using this the most, right. And, um,
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so in 19, just a short time later and 1896, I'm sorry, um,
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McKinley's, uh, McKinley's up for election. He's,
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he's campaigning in his first, for his first administration.
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Okay. So it, it makes, um, Whitaker and Baxter, who were in California,
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I don't know if you knew those terms, but they were early PR people.
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They said we're selling men and measures, policies and politicians.
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Okay. Um, and so that sort of transformed, um,
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they shipped it over from the political spoil system to basically just campaign
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management. They knew they didn't really need the political spoil system
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anymore. So, um, so anyway,
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so I chronicle sort of this rise of the commercial society.
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I go into depth on how these are really started started to be used in sort
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of creative, very nefarious ways,
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other than to really just sell things, right. That we would think, Oh,
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you know, that's kind of an octopus. I mean,
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one of the other things that they sold was essentially the West. You know,
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they sold it as a destination. They sold it as a venture.
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They sold it as, um, you know, new opportunity, you know, um,
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expand, you know, stick your claim. Yes, exactly. You know, um,
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so, and all those things don't, don't seem like, okay,
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well that's just selling and this is marketing and advertising. Okay.
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Yeah. But the risks that they took back then to do those things,
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I mean, you really had to motivate people to be able to want to do that,
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to sell the idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
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And it wasn't always valid information. It was just,
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the railroads were promoting it, right. Cause they wanted people out there.
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They wanted to do the labor and they needed the labor and they,
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they, yeah, right. They needed the cargo. Exactly. So it's,
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let me ask you this real quick. Cause I understand what you're doing.
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You're giving the historical perspective.
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So in where do we enter William Randolph Hearst,
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who has been known to be probably the master manipulator when it comes to
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news media, because he owned most of it at one time and was even able to
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manipulate it so much to where he even was able to destroy the hemp industry,
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to be honest and control it all through using his newspapers and his
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outlets. Where does he enter in or was he not that big as big of a
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player as we're thinking? Yeah, I don't think he would. I mean,
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I think they were all, I mean,
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by the time the turn of century came,
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most of the major dailies were, um, come, you know,
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influenced by the commercial establishments that either directly owned them or
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owned their advertising source,
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because the penny did not pay for the, for the paper itself. Right.
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So they were, they were existing on advertising. And if, if you threaten,
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if you, your editorials were something that they didn't like,
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they've just threatened to pull your advertising. Right.
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Most of the major do that today. Yes.
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So most of the major dailies were already pretty sewed up.
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which is dissociative press. And, um, they were, of course,
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it makes sense. Right.
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So if every paper has to put somebody in France and somebody in, you know,
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a reporter in all areas of the world, it's going to be costly.
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So what they did is they just said, okay, well, let's,
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let's have one big organization and then we can syndicate the news.
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And at the turn of the century, it was basically broken up into five,
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it was five. It was Havas Wolf in Germany. Havas was French.
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Reuters was Great Britain and, um, Associated Press was America.
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you have this area of the world. We have this area.
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Like territories basically. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Territories. And so,
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um, uh, but sounds like a mafia.
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What? It sounds like a mafia.
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Well, the thing is, okay,
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so Ken Cooper writes this book in the 1940s and he was at the top of the
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Associated Press at the time when it really gained the ascendancy over
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Reuters.
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And it was the backlash over the war and all of the,
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the nationalistic hysteria and the lies that they wanted something more,
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you know, neutral and unbiased.
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But Ken Cooper says that the ability he makes no bones about it.
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He's like the ability of one nation to describe and just, and,
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and determine what another nation will hear of it is the greatest monopoly on
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earth. So he's, he's pretty, um, specific. Um,
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and he also in the last chapter, he says,
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his last chapter is titled truth dot dot dot the best propaganda.
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the easier it is to inject a little bit of taint and it not be noticed.
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Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. So anyway, so you have that whole monopoly,
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then you have essentially the monopoly of the dailies, right?
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That are really controlled by money, the bankers and the industrialists.
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And, um, so you, you, you, I'm trying to get this back to first.
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He's the one who actually said he sent a reporter down to, um,
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Cuba, the Spanish-American war. And the reporter went wired back.
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There's nothing going on down here. And he said, you supply the pictures.
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I'll supply the war. You remember that? Yes. I know that quote. Um,
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so anyways, no, but he was a colorful, a colorful guy, but I don't,
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you know what I mean? I don't think that, you know what I mean? Most,
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most of the papers were being affected in one way or another.
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He was just more, um, you know, he, they were playing on the emotions,
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right? Well, they were, they were getting really, um,
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power though, right? If you control the message, you control the people.
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Oh yeah. Right. No, that's what I'm saying. This is this whole thing,
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but you have to think of it like completely structural, right? Yeah.
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All these things are adding up, right?
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It's like, how did we get there? Right. Yes. Okay.
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So like I kind of explained to people, right?
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So if you think of local culture, like a Walnut really hard,
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Arusha, it's very self-conserving. It stays the same year over year.
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Um, it does not change much.
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So these rural communities in America that didn't have much contact that,
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you know, the guy that rides in and everybody wants to know, Hey,
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what's, what's the news from out of town, right? Um, but they don't change.
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Um, a good example of that is the Amish.
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So the Amish has been able to maintain in literally like an 18th century
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lifestyle in the midst of massive radical, uh,
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cultural and sociological transformation.
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They do not get electric to their house.
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So, um, they have been kind of shut off from that input from outside.
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And when, when the news media starts coming in, right,
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your world is no longer really vetable or verifiable, right?
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So if I'm in a local community,
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like there's someone that I know or I know somebody who's probably was
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there. It's not very big, right? 50 to a hundred miles. The,
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the distance, maybe a horse and buggy could go right. And so again,
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things are very conserving. Of course,
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we know that like indigenous tribes, if they're not reached there,
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they just can say the same for hundreds of years. Um,
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so at the turn of the century,
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you start to have this really novel thing is that lots of outside
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information from sources that are essentially unvetted,
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unvetted. And, um, it's,
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it's unique in history.
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But how's it, how's it any different now? Okay. So,
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no, it's not, it's the case.
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The case that I make in the second book is that, um,
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it really, it begins to be controlled. Uh, well, okay.
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So then you, you, let's see, well,
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we could go a number of different places.
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Well, I guess what I'm getting at is, is, um,
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fast forward to today and the tactics haven't changed.
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What's interesting is the whole fake news thing, right?
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That was basically pushed by Trump, right?
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Everybody became aware of that. Well,
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maybe there is fake news and those who didn't believe what he was saying,
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regardless, they themselves are still skeptical of what's out there.
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It took all of this time for people to finally come on board to realize
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like, Oh, we've been lying, you know, been lied to.
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accept that that is a possibility. Like, don't,
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don't believe everything you hear. And, um,
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and I find that interesting because we're in a time where, you know, excuse me,
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but to be honest,
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we're in a time where everybody uses the tactic of flooding the zone with
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shit. Let's just be honest. It's just like,
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let's just put a bunch of stuff out there and you overwhelm everyone's
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senses and you overwhelm everything that, that,
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that they can do in order to, to take it in, extrapolate it,
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cross-reference it, absorb it. And they can't, we can't keep up with it.
467
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There's just so much. So it's, it's like,
468
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it's too hard to decipher and realize what really is happening.
469
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So, you know, we're in a different time. I mean,
470
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the historical perspective is amazing because it's like, wow,
471
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all the way back in 1908 it was said, look, this is what's going to happen.
472
00:26:45.850 --> 00:26:49.950
This is how it's going to happen. Fast forward. And, and it's times a thousand.
473
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So, I mean, they figured everything out.
474
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So, so, so why I go back is first of all, it's,
475
00:26:55.810 --> 00:26:58.470
there's no line land mines back there.
476
00:26:59.030 --> 00:27:02.550
You don't get it. I get it. I can talk to people and I can bring these
477
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things up. And so, um, we can actually have a conversation like,
478
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right? So yeah, you step back in time and then you say, well, look,
479
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this is how like, okay, so,
480
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so the next portion of my book goes into, uh, the,
481
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the, the age of reform.
482
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And so you look at the age of reform and there were two really critical
483
00:27:27.090 --> 00:27:31.850
books that I researched and they had done a deep dive
484
00:27:31.850 --> 00:27:36.510
into what business was asking for and wanting at the turn of the century.
485
00:27:37.590 --> 00:27:41.110
And they wanted a lot of the trade restrictions, um,
486
00:27:41.110 --> 00:27:45.550
between States smoothed out. Of course, they wanted the trust accepted.
487
00:27:45.830 --> 00:27:48.930
That was a huge thing at the time, right? They're growing in their monopoly.
488
00:27:49.150 --> 00:27:53.050
They're, they're lawless. They're committing fraud. They're bribing, um,
489
00:27:53.770 --> 00:27:57.150
uh, senators and congressmen and they're, they're getting their way.
490
00:27:57.430 --> 00:28:01.090
Really, you know, they were called robber barons, right? And, um,
491
00:28:01.090 --> 00:28:04.450
so people are up in arms about that, um, the tariffs.
492
00:28:04.690 --> 00:28:08.050
And so they had gone back and forth since the civil war and they really had no
493
00:28:08.050 --> 00:28:10.890
remedy. Let's talk about a time that fits ours. It's like, they're losing,
494
00:28:11.030 --> 00:28:14.210
losing, losing, and losing some more. Right. And they're mad.
495
00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:19.090
They're angry, right? And so how can you usurp the discontent?
496
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Okay.
497
00:28:20.130 --> 00:28:22.330
And so you realize that, um,
498
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when you look more deeply in history and I probably, I can't,
499
00:28:24.550 --> 00:28:26.850
I can't prove it here now with you because we don't have enough time,
500
00:28:26.850 --> 00:28:30.430
but, um, Teddy Roosevelt was a real showman. He, um,
501
00:28:30.430 --> 00:28:34.930
brought publicity right into the, um, the white house in terms, you know,
502
00:28:34.930 --> 00:28:38.110
like he, his, his reporters were called the fair hair boys.
503
00:28:38.570 --> 00:28:42.450
And there was an Ananias club that if you didn't, um,
504
00:28:42.590 --> 00:28:45.630
do what he said, you know what I mean? Or, or, or, you know,
505
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went out and, and, and spread news that he didn't want, um,
506
00:28:49.170 --> 00:28:52.530
you were kicked out of the club. And so there was a lot of pressure, uh,
507
00:28:52.610 --> 00:28:56.090
to do exactly what he said. He was, he was a master, um, um,
508
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publicist is what was said about him and his, um,
509
00:28:59.290 --> 00:29:03.750
it was a eulogy in, in the, a magazine called the journalist, uh, just like,
510
00:29:04.210 --> 00:29:08.210
uh, it was 1919, I think it was a year he died. And so back then they were
511
00:29:08.210 --> 00:29:12.430
saying he really knew how to do it, right? He was a stage guy.
512
00:29:13.370 --> 00:29:17.930
And so, um, anyways, business had this agenda. Um,
513
00:29:17.990 --> 00:29:22.610
Teddy Roosevelt took the discontent on the trust
514
00:29:22.610 --> 00:29:25.610
and he was the man with a big stick and he was going to beat back the
515
00:29:25.610 --> 00:29:28.730
But behind the scenes, he's dealing with them, right?
516
00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:33.570
He's making a deal with JP Morgan in the panic of, of 1907 to give them,
517
00:29:34.110 --> 00:29:38.470
um, what was it? It was Tennessee coal that they wanted, right?
518
00:29:38.510 --> 00:29:42.010
If he would up the money to, to, uh, restore the, or, you know,
519
00:29:42.170 --> 00:29:43.850
stem the panic. Um,
520
00:29:43.870 --> 00:29:47.910
and so he was doing a lot of things that, that were for big business
521
00:29:47.910 --> 00:29:52.370
behind the scenes. Um, but in the front, right, to the people,
522
00:29:52.370 --> 00:29:54.990
he's being made to see this big reformer beating back.
523
00:29:54.990 --> 00:29:58.670
And so what you can, if you do a deep dive into that age reform,
524
00:29:58.750 --> 00:30:03.410
you realize it, it wasn't as, as much of a victory for the people.
525
00:30:04.250 --> 00:30:07.950
Um, in, in, in fact, it was more like a stage managed victory for the
526
00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:11.490
people, um, which gave them sort of the, it was like smoke and mirrors,
527
00:30:11.670 --> 00:30:13.610
right? So when they got to the end, you know,
528
00:30:13.630 --> 00:30:15.350
and the problem with a lot of these,
529
00:30:15.410 --> 00:30:19.510
and I call it like legislative sabotage or investigational sabotage is it's
530
00:30:19.510 --> 00:30:22.330
like, it'll look good initially,
531
00:30:22.330 --> 00:30:27.070
but it's about five to 10 years later that people will realize that was
532
00:30:27.070 --> 00:30:31.790
nothing, right? Like the Elkins law or act didn't do anything to stop the
533
00:30:31.790 --> 00:30:34.230
railroad rate. Um,
534
00:30:34.230 --> 00:30:37.070
the special railroad rates would be given to standard oil, right?
535
00:30:37.370 --> 00:30:40.090
Or other companies. And so, you know, um,
536
00:30:40.090 --> 00:30:42.130
and so you start to look at history differently.
537
00:30:42.130 --> 00:30:47.170
You realize there's a time lag for like the initial mythology that the
538
00:30:47.170 --> 00:30:51.170
news gives you. And then, oh, wait a minute, you know,
539
00:30:52.510 --> 00:30:54.670
in reality, it was like this. Okay.
540
00:30:54.670 --> 00:30:58.190
So just to give you a good example on world war one, the Nye committee.
541
00:30:58.410 --> 00:31:00.490
And again, this is just history, right? So that's the thing.
542
00:31:00.670 --> 00:31:01.870
It's like, so they're not talking about conspiracy.
543
00:31:02.010 --> 00:31:06.830
The Nye committee was a congressional investigation of the, the,
544
00:31:06.830 --> 00:31:10.050
um, uh, well they called them merchants of death, but you, you,
545
00:31:10.170 --> 00:31:14.790
the munitions industry and many of the people who made upwards of like
546
00:31:14.790 --> 00:31:19.190
600, a thousand percent on, uh,
547
00:31:19.190 --> 00:31:24.450
stuff they've sold to the, to the government for the war. Right. And so, um,
548
00:31:24.450 --> 00:31:26.630
and you realize, so Charles and Mary Beard,
549
00:31:26.850 --> 00:31:31.410
who were very respected historians of the time examined the Nye committee
550
00:31:31.410 --> 00:31:35.270
documents and said, man, if you went back and looked at the newspapers,
551
00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:38.910
what was actually true, you,
552
00:31:38.910 --> 00:31:42.550
you couldn't have discerned anything of what was actually true by reading
553
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the newspapers. If anyone thinks they're getting the truth by reading the
554
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news, they're sadly mistaken. And this was like,
555
00:31:47.850 --> 00:31:52.250
I think it was maybe two decades, one and one or two decades after the World War
556
00:31:52.910 --> 00:31:56.190
One. So, um, you know, it's,
557
00:31:56.190 --> 00:31:59.910
it's trained people to look at history. Um,
558
00:31:59.910 --> 00:32:03.150
we're not going to know what the history is of this period right now.
559
00:32:03.850 --> 00:32:06.350
Right. I mean, we, people can deep dive and do all this stuff.
560
00:32:07.750 --> 00:32:10.770
Imagine them looking back at the time we're in now.
561
00:32:11.810 --> 00:32:15.930
Who would looking back, uh, whoever in the future generations later,
562
00:32:15.930 --> 00:32:17.650
looking back at what we're going through now,
563
00:32:17.710 --> 00:32:20.890
can you imagine what they were going to think of this time or what they're
564
00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:22.590
even going to call it? Right.
565
00:32:24.710 --> 00:32:29.310
Yeah. Are you, are you familiar with, um, Andy Sutton's works?
566
00:32:29.770 --> 00:32:33.010
No, I'm not. Wall Street and, um, I should be, but okay.
567
00:32:33.110 --> 00:32:36.830
Wall Street and Hitler Wall Street and the Bolshevik revolution and Wall
568
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Street and FDR. And he does a great job,
569
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um, basically chronicling what,
570
00:32:45.370 --> 00:32:48.250
what big business wanted, especially with Wall Street and FDR.
571
00:32:48.390 --> 00:32:52.330
And what I found is it is super similar to the, um,
572
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the guys I read Colco and Skylar who basically, you know,
573
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examined all the papers of business, what they were,
574
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the speech writing that they were doing, um,
575
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and the journal articles that were being written.
576
00:33:05.030 --> 00:33:09.830
And it tells a very different story of the time period when you look at it
577
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for like saying what they want. Like, it's like, now it's like going to
578
00:33:12.510 --> 00:33:17.550
technocracy and reading a lot of the public policy papers and you'll see how
579
00:33:17.550 --> 00:33:21.830
aggressive they are to, for AI and surveillance and those kinds of things.
580
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And, you know, if they're hard to read, um, they,
581
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they probably were maybe,
582
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I don't know if they were less available for the common person,
583
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you know, earlier.
584
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And so it took longer for those things to come out or have access to
585
00:33:34.210 --> 00:33:39.810
them. Um, but it's a, it's a similar theme and it's a pattern. So,
586
00:33:40.570 --> 00:33:44.790
looking at propaganda from like five different lenses, right?
587
00:33:44.790 --> 00:33:47.790
So we're talking about historical lens patterns and principles,
588
00:33:47.790 --> 00:33:49.970
but then there's the economic lens,
589
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which is there were many people at the turn of the century saying, look,
590
00:33:54.710 --> 00:33:59.510
this corporate vehicle is too big and too powerful, right?
591
00:33:59.550 --> 00:34:02.970
Like it had already gotten personhood rights in late 1800s.
592
00:34:04.610 --> 00:34:08.130
And, um, and I even did some, are you familiar? Okay.
593
00:34:08.130 --> 00:34:13.030
So Hobbes in 1700 said this about corporations. He said,
594
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um, multiple corporations that had like a, um, they didn't have an end date.
595
00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:21.690
They had perpetual life are like, uh, um,
596
00:34:21.690 --> 00:34:23.650
parasites in the entrails of a son.
597
00:34:25.510 --> 00:34:28.670
Okay. So, so there's going to be this competition, right? That they can't,
598
00:34:28.670 --> 00:34:31.949
you know, for power. And at the turn of the century,
599
00:34:32.250 --> 00:34:36.850
Veblen was saying it a little bit later. Um, uh, it was mirrors and,
600
00:34:37.610 --> 00:34:40.850
and Burley who he wrote the modern corporation. He said, look,
601
00:34:41.250 --> 00:34:43.090
the atom of business has been split.
602
00:34:43.370 --> 00:34:47.469
It's been split to management and to ownership. And that split is huge.
603
00:34:47.750 --> 00:34:50.650
And the power of that, that entity,
604
00:34:50.850 --> 00:34:55.850
which is just a legal fiction essentially, um, is it's,
605
00:34:56.750 --> 00:35:00.850
it's, it's a, it's like life altering. You know what I mean?
606
00:35:00.890 --> 00:35:05.070
It's it's society altering is better, a better way to put it, right? Um,
607
00:35:05.070 --> 00:35:06.070
it's going to transform.
608
00:35:06.270 --> 00:35:11.370
It's kind of like the same boast that Wallace is saying in terms of the,
609
00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:16.250
the power of a concentrated campaigns and the use of these
610
00:35:16.250 --> 00:35:20.630
techniques and arts of manipulating people. Right. Um,
611
00:35:20.630 --> 00:35:23.850
and so the business thing was going to transform the economic landscape,
612
00:35:23.850 --> 00:35:25.130
right? Forever.
613
00:35:25.430 --> 00:35:30.330
And it would probably have too much power and overcome politics in the
614
00:35:30.330 --> 00:35:33.750
government. Like they can only be one sovereign and it's going to be
615
00:35:33.750 --> 00:35:36.170
business. There are people warning at the turn of the century that that was
616
00:35:36.170 --> 00:35:37.150
actually the case.
617
00:35:38.870 --> 00:35:41.870
So, okay. So in your opinion,
618
00:35:42.770 --> 00:35:45.850
and I guess can be verified, um, to a degree,
619
00:35:46.470 --> 00:35:49.250
corporations run the world, right? That, that, but that's an old adage.
620
00:35:49.370 --> 00:35:52.030
Everybody's, I mean, that's been said for, for, uh, many years.
621
00:35:52.090 --> 00:35:54.890
You're just giving us that historical context here and where that started.
622
00:35:55.750 --> 00:35:59.710
But do you believe it's just corporations or is there not maybe some,
623
00:36:00.010 --> 00:36:01.230
I don't know, somebody,
624
00:36:01.230 --> 00:36:04.210
a handful of people at the top with the money and the power and connections that
625
00:36:04.210 --> 00:36:07.490
are also manipulating corporations to, you know,
626
00:36:07.650 --> 00:36:10.830
basically push the narratives that they want to make sure that they stay.
627
00:36:10.850 --> 00:36:15.370
Yeah. I mean, I think what I like to say is like bankers and corporations
628
00:36:15.370 --> 00:36:18.330
are the instrumental. Yeah, I think they're the tools, right?
629
00:36:18.450 --> 00:36:21.190
They're the instrumental, right? So if you say who's doing this, okay,
630
00:36:21.190 --> 00:36:23.290
it's obvious you can point to that and see the power.
631
00:36:23.390 --> 00:36:27.170
You see the influence in the campaign contributions and who gets elected and
632
00:36:27.170 --> 00:36:29.750
who gets even put up to that level, right?
633
00:36:29.750 --> 00:36:33.830
Cause you have to have money to do it. And, um, and then, you know, pulling,
634
00:36:33.850 --> 00:36:38.570
pulling levers behind the scenes in terms of lobbying and like, you know,
635
00:36:38.630 --> 00:36:42.490
that's why I mentioned Anthony Sutton's book. Cause he shows so, um,
636
00:36:42.530 --> 00:36:45.770
so well how it was called the Swoaps plan.
637
00:36:46.130 --> 00:36:49.550
Gerald Swoaps was the head of general electric and, um,
638
00:36:49.550 --> 00:36:51.910
what they wanted to do, you know,
639
00:36:51.930 --> 00:36:55.910
was in the Swoaps plan and it was essentially became the NRA.
640
00:36:57.010 --> 00:36:58.670
And so he shows a transformation.
641
00:36:58.670 --> 00:36:59.730
So does Kelko.
642
00:37:00.030 --> 00:37:04.270
He shows the transformation of a lot of the legislation at, um,
643
00:37:04.370 --> 00:37:07.330
the age of reform and what business wanted.
644
00:37:07.570 --> 00:37:11.330
And so you see that they're what they push behind the scenes usually is what
645
00:37:11.330 --> 00:37:15.710
becomes the legislation and may, maybe we'll get a 10% win,
646
00:37:15.730 --> 00:37:19.930
but 90% of the bill will end up getting them what they want.
647
00:37:20.050 --> 00:37:24.470
Of course. Yeah. And so, um, who's behind,
648
00:37:24.610 --> 00:37:28.130
behind that? I mean, it's anybody's guess. I mean,
649
00:37:28.130 --> 00:37:30.470
a lot of people have, you know, they do a lot of, I don't do things.
650
00:37:30.670 --> 00:37:33.510
I try not to do things and things that are highly just speculative.
651
00:37:33.510 --> 00:37:37.770
And I don't feel like I can ever ever get a handle on that.
652
00:37:38.050 --> 00:37:41.410
I don't think I have the tools. And so, um,
653
00:37:42.330 --> 00:37:45.970
but to understand that democracy itself,
654
00:37:46.110 --> 00:37:51.110
I think was, um, like mostly eclipsed, excuse me,
655
00:37:51.110 --> 00:37:54.970
uh, around the turn of the century, which is, I know.
656
00:37:54.970 --> 00:37:59.590
But let's, so the, um, let's, let's, let's talk about,
657
00:37:59.770 --> 00:38:03.150
let's talk about the, the why though. Okay. So, so we,
658
00:38:03.150 --> 00:38:07.730
so we understand where it started. Um, all the quotes, everything,
659
00:38:07.910 --> 00:38:11.790
examples of how media has been used to manipulate people.
660
00:38:11.890 --> 00:38:16.490
Talked about how corporations, um, have been used also, right.
661
00:38:16.610 --> 00:38:20.030
Or maybe even the corporations themselves were behind it, but in the end,
662
00:38:20.050 --> 00:38:24.370
there's someone controlling the corporations. So, uh,
663
00:38:24.910 --> 00:38:28.470
let's touch on the why though. Like the, what is the why? Like,
664
00:38:28.570 --> 00:38:32.450
why is it being done? I mean, I know, but I mean, I think it's,
665
00:38:32.450 --> 00:38:35.230
it should just be basic knowledge, but it's all for what?
666
00:38:35.310 --> 00:38:38.670
Control of the people and to maintain power and control resources.
667
00:38:39.410 --> 00:38:41.550
So it really just goes back to what we were saying earlier.
668
00:38:41.630 --> 00:38:43.910
It's like you control the narrative, you control the people you can.
669
00:38:44.430 --> 00:38:47.390
Absolutely. That's just what it comes down to. Right. So, so one is,
670
00:38:47.390 --> 00:38:50.110
so here's one of the things that people don't recognize. So they talk about,
671
00:38:50.310 --> 00:38:52.970
they talk about propaganda in terms of lies and things like that.
672
00:38:52.970 --> 00:38:58.070
But if you have the illusion, like, so, uh, Le Bon said, um,
673
00:38:58.090 --> 00:39:01.470
it was going to be the era of crowds going forward in his book, uh,
674
00:39:01.470 --> 00:39:06.030
the crowd is study of the popular mind. Right. So before Kings were sovereign,
675
00:39:06.030 --> 00:39:11.050
and then there was this flip that the people were sovereign. Right. Right.
676
00:39:11.190 --> 00:39:14.370
We, we rule. Okay.
677
00:39:14.610 --> 00:39:18.970
Now that is an illusion. So, okay.
678
00:39:18.970 --> 00:39:22.910
Now really it is. And so, so, so,
679
00:39:22.970 --> 00:39:27.470
but it's the illusions that keep people like the press speaks truth to power.
680
00:39:27.590 --> 00:39:31.510
Well, the press is really owned by the ruling power. Okay.
681
00:39:32.050 --> 00:39:36.270
And so, so that's an illusion one, okay. That, um,
682
00:39:36.710 --> 00:39:40.310
that the people rule, the government is illusion two, right.
683
00:39:40.350 --> 00:39:44.710
And that the government has enough power to put big business into place
684
00:39:44.710 --> 00:39:47.290
three. Right. And, um,
685
00:39:47.290 --> 00:39:52.450
and even maybe that corporations are our friend ultimately, you know? Um, so,
686
00:39:52.710 --> 00:39:54.730
so you, you have a framework,
687
00:39:54.730 --> 00:39:57.790
like a structural propaganda that really keeps people blind.
688
00:39:58.110 --> 00:39:59.750
Does that make sense? It's a little different than saying, Hey,
689
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we're just giving advice and misinformation.
690
00:40:02.390 --> 00:40:04.690
I completely understand. I've said the same thing many times.
691
00:40:06.190 --> 00:40:07.250
Hey, we're on the same path.
692
00:40:07.710 --> 00:40:12.590
Well, what you're talking about is the illusion of power, right? We have,
693
00:40:12.630 --> 00:40:15.730
we have this, um, illusion that we can control things,
694
00:40:15.730 --> 00:40:20.030
but we really have no control. It's almost like saying that, you know,
695
00:40:20.130 --> 00:40:21.670
whatever we think we're going to do,
696
00:40:22.070 --> 00:40:24.550
it's already been planned out for us because we've been told what to do and
697
00:40:24.550 --> 00:40:25.990
what to believe we can do.
698
00:40:25.990 --> 00:40:28.990
And we pursue those things because that carrot's been dangled in front of
699
00:40:28.990 --> 00:40:32.230
us for so long that that becomes a reality that we're trying to achieve.
700
00:40:33.470 --> 00:40:36.370
So very true. So, and, and here's the, here's the,
701
00:40:36.370 --> 00:40:40.490
here's the problem with all of this, because if this is,
702
00:40:40.730 --> 00:40:45.210
if this is ultimately true to a degree that we just accept things will
703
00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:47.210
never change, how do we break that cycle?
704
00:40:47.270 --> 00:40:51.230
And how do people actually take that power back and be able to change things
705
00:40:51.230 --> 00:40:53.150
for the better? Is it possible,
706
00:40:53.150 --> 00:40:57.070
or are we just going to stuck on this hamster wheel just being whipped on
707
00:40:57.070 --> 00:40:59.690
the back to make sure we generate whatever electricity they need to use
708
00:40:59.690 --> 00:41:02.130
behind us and just, you know, right. Example there,
709
00:41:02.410 --> 00:41:03.970
but like how do we break that cycle?
710
00:41:04.050 --> 00:41:07.630
How do people actually take the power back and take the control back and
711
00:41:07.630 --> 00:41:10.850
hold people accountable and hold their feet to the fire, so to speak?
712
00:41:12.820 --> 00:41:18.800
Well, I don't think it's possible through the political means. Is that what you're saying?
713
00:41:19.300 --> 00:41:22.680
No, not necessarily. What I'm saying is how do we do it in general?
714
00:41:23.100 --> 00:41:25.480
It doesn't have to be politics. I mean, look, let's just be honest,
715
00:41:25.680 --> 00:41:28.000
politics is everything. We can say whatever we want.
716
00:41:28.140 --> 00:41:30.380
There's politics in government. There's politics in work.
717
00:41:30.520 --> 00:41:33.100
There's politics in education. There's politics everywhere.
718
00:41:33.520 --> 00:41:37.560
All it is is people jockeying for position to be recognized so that they
719
00:41:37.560 --> 00:41:41.740
can get in a position of power to manipulate and control. That's politics.
720
00:41:41.740 --> 00:41:44.100
I mean, that's all we're doing. We're playing chess really in real life.
721
00:41:46.180 --> 00:41:47.880
So you can say,
722
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:52.240
you can say how do we change it politically in government? Great.
723
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.760
We can try. I mean, as you said, we're getting the illusion of power,
724
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:58.160
especially in the US, how our structures put together.
725
00:41:58.600 --> 00:42:02.160
We supposedly have the power to change things,
726
00:42:02.160 --> 00:42:04.460
but from what we've seen, especially in modern times,
727
00:42:04.520 --> 00:42:10.200
if we go back to 2016, even when Obama came into being,
728
00:42:10.200 --> 00:42:13.560
for example, that whole time period, I mean, we can go back further to Clinton,
729
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:15.460
but that whole time period is when we saw,
730
00:42:15.540 --> 00:42:20.380
or at least I saw the actual shift in everything to where it wasn't so much
731
00:42:20.380 --> 00:42:23.940
a hard, a full court press against people. It was more like, Hey,
732
00:42:24.020 --> 00:42:28.040
these messages are coming out making us believe that we have power and we
733
00:42:28.040 --> 00:42:29.020
have this opportunity.
734
00:42:29.140 --> 00:42:31.560
But for some reason we're never really able to achieve it because it's
735
00:42:31.560 --> 00:42:34.200
almost like, nah, well, you're almost there to do this one more thing.
736
00:42:35.240 --> 00:42:38.420
So are they doing nothing more than according to what you were saying,
737
00:42:38.420 --> 00:42:43.020
are they doing nothing more than just keeping us busy mentally and physically to
738
00:42:43.020 --> 00:42:45.840
where we just don't notice anymore. We just think this is our reality.
739
00:42:46.620 --> 00:42:49.140
Like, is that all it is? Are we living in the matrix?
740
00:42:51.080 --> 00:42:53.780
Well, we're, we're, we're living like, you know,
741
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.040
if you think of the communication system,
742
00:42:56.200 --> 00:42:59.720
so they own the news and they, you know, Hollywood,
743
00:43:00.020 --> 00:43:02.620
and they own the magazines after, after the muckraking era,
744
00:43:02.660 --> 00:43:07.220
they're pretty much all bought up. They radio television and whatever.
745
00:43:07.220 --> 00:43:11.620
Okay. So alternative media, now they're, they're all in that. And so, um,
746
00:43:11.620 --> 00:43:13.960
and if you think of it as, as like a stage, right,
747
00:43:14.040 --> 00:43:17.000
they own who gets on and who gets off and they can say, well,
748
00:43:17.120 --> 00:43:20.680
we have free speech, we can get on the internet, but we can't have reach.
749
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:26.400
Right. So what's, you know, you have to pay for reach or you have to get
750
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.880
on their platforms. Right. And so, so we really don't,
751
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:34.300
we don't have effective free speech. That's really where the problem is.
752
00:43:34.340 --> 00:43:37.120
And so when you say, what's the answer to this? Um, you know,
753
00:43:37.120 --> 00:43:40.120
ideas have to travel around the world to be, um,
754
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.200
to have an effect. Right. I mean, ideas are revolutionary.
755
00:43:44.540 --> 00:43:47.200
And enough people could wake up. Right. But you,
756
00:43:47.200 --> 00:43:50.040
and you are seeing some of that. Um,
757
00:43:50.240 --> 00:43:53.800
but the problem is is most of the people that get elevated to a high
758
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:56.840
enough position, we, we're sheep. I mean, I tell them,
759
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.000
we embrace the sheep nature. We are sheep. Right. Um,
760
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.380
and so we do naturally look for leaders. And so who, who,
761
00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:08.220
they can destroy anyone who gets up, you know, like,
762
00:44:08.340 --> 00:44:10.020
and we talk, I talk about Robert Lafollette,
763
00:44:10.020 --> 00:44:13.900
who was an amazing man from Wisconsin and they would destroy him.
764
00:44:14.060 --> 00:44:16.500
They always call them an anarchist, a socialist, et cetera, et cetera,
765
00:44:16.560 --> 00:44:20.860
all these disparaging terms. They would never let him get his agenda out.
766
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.580
He actually created his own political system, like a party system,
767
00:44:26.200 --> 00:44:28.920
um, in Wisconsin. Um, but he was,
768
00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:32.900
and he rightfully should have had the reform leadership instead of Teddy
769
00:44:32.900 --> 00:44:37.280
Roosevelt. He was the forum guy and Teddy Roosevelt stepped in as the decoy
770
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:41.420
leader to lead things slightly astray. So, so it's like,
771
00:44:41.540 --> 00:44:45.200
if you think social media as like a big, um, well,
772
00:44:45.220 --> 00:44:48.500
they had the clipping Bureau 125 years ago,
773
00:44:48.540 --> 00:44:52.020
and it was like the first social media management. Yes.
774
00:44:52.040 --> 00:44:55.200
If you think of it as early, early social media management, okay.
775
00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:57.660
Or reputation management. And so now, I mean,
776
00:44:57.660 --> 00:45:02.560
they can see all these streams of discontent and they put their people in
777
00:45:02.560 --> 00:45:07.120
those streams. So they control the stream. And that's the problem.
778
00:45:07.740 --> 00:45:08.780
You know, so you have people,
779
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:12.120
you have contamination in like the health freedom movement or any other
780
00:45:12.120 --> 00:45:16.060
freedom movement or the farming regenerative movement or whatever it is,
781
00:45:16.060 --> 00:45:19.380
right? They have all the money in the world. I mean, they have trillions,
782
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:23.560
you know, to spend at this point in PR. I mean, they can put a website up,
783
00:45:23.560 --> 00:45:25.600
they can get fake links, they can get, you know what I mean?
784
00:45:25.600 --> 00:45:27.500
They can put, put any, and then they put that,
785
00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:30.720
that person on their platforms, you know what I mean? To get them more,
786
00:45:30.720 --> 00:45:32.860
more notoriety, right? Yeah.
787
00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:35.920
And so it is really an uphill battle to get.
788
00:45:36.080 --> 00:45:39.420
I know. Look, I, like I'm a podcaster, obviously. So, right. So, you know,
789
00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:42.660
and I was, I was been a musician, been in many bands, et cetera. And listen,
790
00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:44.440
everything is paid to play. I get that.
791
00:45:44.460 --> 00:45:47.420
You're not getting noticed if you're not either greasing the pockets or
792
00:45:47.420 --> 00:45:49.840
shaking hands and doing the right things that they want you to do.
793
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:50.440
Right.
794
00:45:51.020 --> 00:45:55.780
But the idea that we have no ability to take anything back for the people,
795
00:45:56.080 --> 00:45:58.380
I'm not sure that that is.
796
00:45:58.900 --> 00:46:00.320
Oh, I'm not saying there's no ability.
797
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.120
That's absolute. Anyway, I'm just, I'm just saying, you know, there's,
798
00:46:04.700 --> 00:46:08.360
there's a great quote in my book by Harold rugs is 1930.
799
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:12.960
And he's talking about the same thing, which is amazing. He's going, oh,
800
00:46:13.080 --> 00:46:15.860
people are despairing of like, we don't have enough money.
801
00:46:16.060 --> 00:46:18.140
How could we reach people? You know what I mean?
802
00:46:18.140 --> 00:46:21.760
We can never get their message out. He was talking about 1930.
803
00:46:21.940 --> 00:46:26.700
That's why it's, it's, it's like, it's that damn old quote. I, you know,
804
00:46:26.700 --> 00:46:28.560
there's nothing new under the sun. Yeah. You know,
805
00:46:28.560 --> 00:46:30.740
nothing changes except what our fashion,
806
00:46:31.240 --> 00:46:34.620
maybe what might be socially acceptable. But if you look at a bare bones,
807
00:46:34.640 --> 00:46:36.600
if you get down to the skeleton of it all, it's the same thing.
808
00:46:36.600 --> 00:46:38.480
It's the same thing propping it all up and holding it together.
809
00:46:38.860 --> 00:46:41.700
Well, I would say, no, I mean, I would say at the turn of the century,
810
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:45.900
when they started to get this media, um, Gabriel Tarde, a French guy,
811
00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:49.180
and I'm not saying it well, not French. I won't either.
812
00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:51.420
I mispronounce stuff all the time. Yeah. Okay. So anyways,
813
00:46:51.520 --> 00:46:53.540
but he said he calls it a,
814
00:46:53.540 --> 00:46:59.060
it's the first time that people are galvanized together outside of a material
815
00:46:59.060 --> 00:47:02.560
relationship. Okay. So we talked about the walnut and you know,
816
00:47:02.560 --> 00:47:04.820
we live between 50 and 100. Okay. And,
817
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:09.340
and so now he calls it a spiritual public where people could be bonded
818
00:47:09.340 --> 00:47:14.380
together based on what's coming over to these airways. Okay.
819
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.540
And so like when you say nothing new under the sun,
820
00:47:16.940 --> 00:47:18.860
that is different though. You know what I mean?
821
00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:22.820
It's a new phenomenon that was taking place really, um,
822
00:47:22.820 --> 00:47:27.260
as the technologies rolled out, right? Well, yeah, the newspaper, but, but,
823
00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:31.120
but it's becoming like totally weaponized.
824
00:47:32.260 --> 00:47:34.760
I understand. I mean, with, with technology,
825
00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:38.940
the means of methods will change, but the intent behind it, what it is,
826
00:47:39.100 --> 00:47:41.900
the narrative messages going back to the times of Kings and Queens.
827
00:47:42.060 --> 00:47:43.860
This is, this is not new, uh, you know,
828
00:47:43.940 --> 00:47:47.020
manipulating the public has always been a thing. Right. Um, you know,
829
00:47:47.100 --> 00:47:51.100
people in power want to stay in power. Period. Period. So
830
00:47:52.820 --> 00:47:56.520
to do it have changed and they become, they become global. I mean, it's really,
831
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.340
so are we afraid or do you think we're being controlled by the, by,
832
00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:01.580
by the media and we, and we're,
833
00:48:01.680 --> 00:48:03.380
we're not standing up and taking these back because of that,
834
00:48:03.380 --> 00:48:05.840
or is it just because the government has the guns and we can't do it?
835
00:48:08.850 --> 00:48:10.810
I'm not sure what you mean by that.
836
00:48:11.330 --> 00:48:15.150
Well, what it means is this, um, it means this, uh, yeah,
837
00:48:15.290 --> 00:48:17.870
we're being controlled and manipulated through media,
838
00:48:18.070 --> 00:48:21.410
but ultimately if people are fed up enough and they realize this,
839
00:48:21.450 --> 00:48:23.510
they can overtake their government if they want to,
840
00:48:23.510 --> 00:48:27.070
but what's holding them back the fact that the government has the military and
841
00:48:27.070 --> 00:48:29.230
the weapons, is that the only thing
842
00:48:31.210 --> 00:48:33.510
I can't say, I'm not saying to physically rise up,
843
00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:35.450
but I'm just using it as an example of, you know,
844
00:48:35.650 --> 00:48:37.650
people really want to take control.
845
00:48:38.070 --> 00:48:39.630
Well, here's the thing, right? Here's the thing, right? I mean,
846
00:48:39.630 --> 00:48:43.350
we have it pretty good, you know, discontent, right?
847
00:48:43.450 --> 00:48:45.650
So discontent, like now maybe with AI, right?
848
00:48:45.650 --> 00:48:50.090
When they come in and maybe a lot of the white collar jobs get waxed.
849
00:48:50.090 --> 00:48:55.050
And they talk about going on a universal basic income as a, as a, um,
850
00:48:55.050 --> 00:48:56.890
Yeah, that's come up. You think that's going to happen?
851
00:48:56.950 --> 00:48:59.890
You think that they might try to go that direction with the universal income?
852
00:49:00.870 --> 00:49:04.810
Um, they may, there'll be more of us than, than are useful. That's for sure.
853
00:49:05.210 --> 00:49:09.870
So that's not a good thing. It's not a selling point for us. Um,
854
00:49:09.870 --> 00:49:14.010
but still there's a lot of us. So, you know, I, you know, I think,
855
00:49:15.410 --> 00:49:17.950
um, yeah, I think they may, I don't know, you know,
856
00:49:17.950 --> 00:49:20.070
they have to have an answer at least for a while.
857
00:49:20.090 --> 00:49:25.030
Right. Um, as, as they take over functions in society with AI.
858
00:49:25.070 --> 00:49:27.190
And I think there's no doubt that they want to do that. I mean,
859
00:49:27.250 --> 00:49:28.950
I think Trump's, uh, you know,
860
00:49:29.110 --> 00:49:32.530
pedal to the floor sort of attitude toward AI.
861
00:49:32.730 --> 00:49:36.010
And I wouldn't know we have a data center coming online out here and all
862
00:49:36.010 --> 00:49:39.070
over the prop. They're cropping up. So, um,
863
00:49:39.110 --> 00:49:43.390
I think that's definitely a concern. So, uh, we've got a lot coming down,
864
00:49:43.390 --> 00:49:46.370
but, but for the most part, we, you know,
865
00:49:46.370 --> 00:49:50.210
especially the boomers are pretty taken care of.
866
00:49:50.850 --> 00:49:55.310
Now if the stocks ever blew up and the pensions started hurting,
867
00:49:55.810 --> 00:49:57.410
that's a different thing. So, you know,
868
00:49:57.450 --> 00:50:02.230
like they've been able to keep the pressure valve low on us.
869
00:50:02.290 --> 00:50:06.750
And quite frankly, people don't rise up until it's difficult.
870
00:50:06.830 --> 00:50:10.470
It's starting to be painful and they're suffering. Yeah. So I mean,
871
00:50:10.470 --> 00:50:13.450
and that's, they know that. So they always kind of, you know,
872
00:50:13.450 --> 00:50:17.530
bring the pressure off and then we're okay for a while. And, um, you know,
873
00:50:17.530 --> 00:50:18.190
and I mean, I'm,
874
00:50:18.250 --> 00:50:21.190
I'm afraid that they'll keep doing that right until before the noose is,
875
00:50:21.190 --> 00:50:23.390
is set, so to speak. You know what I mean?
876
00:50:25.250 --> 00:50:28.410
I do. And I am not disagreeing with what you just said. I mean,
877
00:50:28.410 --> 00:50:32.350
that's exactly what they're doing to us, you know, uh, globally,
878
00:50:32.930 --> 00:50:36.730
everywhere. Do you, okay. So do you buy into, um,
879
00:50:36.770 --> 00:50:40.010
based on everything that you've just said and, and what you've researched,
880
00:50:40.050 --> 00:50:44.390
do you buy into the notion of a literally like a one world government?
881
00:50:44.390 --> 00:50:48.190
Is there really that? I mean, we all, we have the world economic forum.
882
00:50:48.490 --> 00:50:51.890
You know, we have Klaus Schwab, whatever, all that going on. But do you,
883
00:50:51.890 --> 00:50:56.510
do you believe that there really is possibly a global group that is trying
884
00:50:56.510 --> 00:50:57.630
to control everybody?
885
00:50:58.990 --> 00:51:02.850
I think they're already putting the infrastructure together for that. Right.
886
00:51:02.950 --> 00:51:06.350
So not quite there yet, but you think they're laying the tracks, right?
887
00:51:06.350 --> 00:51:09.130
The train tracks are, yeah, I would say they're already being laid.
888
00:51:09.570 --> 00:51:12.170
They're, they're, um, you know, cause like we had, we had a, um,
889
00:51:12.170 --> 00:51:16.590
mayor here in, in Tucson and, um, you know,
890
00:51:16.610 --> 00:51:19.790
she gets elected and all of a sudden she's joining the climate mayors of
891
00:51:19.790 --> 00:51:23.770
America. And it's like, wait a minute, who are they? You know,
892
00:51:24.670 --> 00:51:27.470
what's going on? So there's been some stuff going on in Arizona. What's,
893
00:51:27.470 --> 00:51:28.430
what's, what's happening?
894
00:51:28.510 --> 00:51:30.990
Anything you want to want to touch on that's happening out in Arizona?
895
00:51:31.310 --> 00:51:33.930
Well, just to, just to go finish my point with her, you know,
896
00:51:33.950 --> 00:51:36.250
and all of a sudden, all of a sudden, uh,
897
00:51:36.270 --> 00:51:39.870
the board has declared a climate emergency and then all these things are
898
00:51:39.870 --> 00:51:42.350
uncertain to, to roll. Right. Once they get that emergency,
899
00:51:42.510 --> 00:51:46.930
they can put these things through. And so, so like, like we don't really rule.
900
00:51:46.950 --> 00:51:48.270
Like where are these things coming from?
901
00:51:48.330 --> 00:51:52.550
They're coming from a central point somewhere and they're blue plates,
902
00:51:52.910 --> 00:51:56.750
blueprints or templates that can be used in location communities.
903
00:51:57.310 --> 00:52:01.090
And, uh, you know, across the country and probably the globe.
904
00:52:01.830 --> 00:52:05.750
So, you know, I already think that it's, um, I'm sorry,
905
00:52:05.790 --> 00:52:08.330
I'm just trying to have copies. Can you hear me?
906
00:52:08.330 --> 00:52:09.010
I don't know.
907
00:52:11.270 --> 00:52:16.510
No, he just, he just got something. Sorry about that.
908
00:52:16.810 --> 00:52:19.410
When he was sleeping, he'd have like these, uh, dreams or nightmares.
909
00:52:19.590 --> 00:52:20.290
You see him kind of like running.
910
00:52:20.790 --> 00:52:24.210
Yeah. And I was trying to pet him so that he would stop making a noise in
911
00:52:24.210 --> 00:52:27.550
the background. Um, but no. So, um,
912
00:52:28.950 --> 00:52:32.370
yeah, I think, I think it's already starting to be in place.
913
00:52:32.430 --> 00:52:36.630
I think that AI will do go a long way toward that, um,
914
00:52:36.630 --> 00:52:40.790
getting ready for those things. Right. Um,
915
00:52:40.810 --> 00:52:43.930
we're being, yeah, I think it's interesting because, um, on one end,
916
00:52:44.090 --> 00:52:46.190
cause my, I have many friends that were like,
917
00:52:47.350 --> 00:52:49.550
they're coders or computer programmers, like, you know,
918
00:52:49.670 --> 00:52:51.910
computer scientists have their degrees, the whole deal. So,
919
00:52:51.910 --> 00:52:54.950
so they're very savvy. They know a lot about this and in their perspective,
920
00:52:55.330 --> 00:52:56.410
they don't think it's quite,
921
00:52:56.470 --> 00:53:00.510
quite at the point where it's actually going to replace a lot of us.
922
00:53:00.530 --> 00:53:02.250
Like we're still going to need those jobs.
923
00:53:02.890 --> 00:53:05.330
And when it comes to AI itself, it needs to be managed.
924
00:53:05.330 --> 00:53:09.690
It's always going to need human input or human upkeep at right now though,
925
00:53:09.690 --> 00:53:12.070
right now. We don't know where it's going to go. It could, I mean,
926
00:53:12.150 --> 00:53:14.250
it could be living in the age of Skynet and Terminator.
927
00:53:14.330 --> 00:53:17.790
It might become self-aware. I have no idea. You know, who knows?
928
00:53:18.230 --> 00:53:21.950
But the reality is they believe, they believe,
929
00:53:22.110 --> 00:53:24.630
and they could be wrong that it's always going to need some kind of human
930
00:53:24.630 --> 00:53:27.410
input or a human manipulation to, you know,
931
00:53:27.410 --> 00:53:30.390
to keep up with it and whatnot. Like we,
932
00:53:30.390 --> 00:53:32.930
we are not yet there, um,
933
00:53:33.470 --> 00:53:34.850
with computer power and whatnot.
934
00:53:34.850 --> 00:53:35.930
I know they're working on other things,
935
00:53:37.010 --> 00:53:40.330
but they believe it's going to be far off before we get to that point.
936
00:53:40.690 --> 00:53:43.290
Regardless though, we're going to end up there eventually. I mean,
937
00:53:43.770 --> 00:53:47.910
and I had this conversation recently, and if you think about it, you know,
938
00:53:49.090 --> 00:53:51.570
whatever we're talking about right now, like kind of take a little segue here.
939
00:53:51.770 --> 00:53:53.430
It's almost like we're, we're, uh,
940
00:53:53.910 --> 00:53:56.930
we've gone down the path of creating our replacement, like literally.
941
00:53:57.370 --> 00:54:01.650
So is AI going to now become the caretakers of humanity or are we going
942
00:54:01.650 --> 00:54:05.370
to end up just being the food and fodder of AI,
943
00:54:05.710 --> 00:54:09.190
especially once it gets integrated into machines and robots? Who knows?
944
00:54:09.670 --> 00:54:11.570
So what's going to come of us down the road?
945
00:54:13.010 --> 00:54:14.270
Yeah, certainly. I agree.
946
00:54:14.870 --> 00:54:16.130
And then politics ain't going to matter anymore.
947
00:54:20.990 --> 00:54:22.750
It's like, Hey, we need to survive.
948
00:54:25.050 --> 00:54:28.510
So, but it feels like that's, um, that's what's been happening though.
949
00:54:28.510 --> 00:54:29.970
That's why I asked you, uh, if,
950
00:54:29.970 --> 00:54:34.410
if you thought that there might be confirmation in your mind of a one world
951
00:54:34.410 --> 00:54:38.390
government agenda, because what, what seems like happening,
952
00:54:38.550 --> 00:54:43.010
especially if you look at what's been going on with everything with, um,
953
00:54:43.010 --> 00:54:44.910
we can talk about it when I get deep in immigration,
954
00:54:45.010 --> 00:54:47.470
because I don't want to get any, I don't know what your politics are.
955
00:54:47.530 --> 00:54:50.270
It doesn't matter to me, but just saying that's been a hot thing.
956
00:54:50.510 --> 00:54:54.090
And the idea of open borders now around the globe and a lot of people
957
00:54:54.090 --> 00:54:57.750
have been pushing for that and in favor of that. And it's almost like,
958
00:54:57.750 --> 00:55:00.170
it's like, look, there's no more, there's no more uniqueness.
959
00:55:00.370 --> 00:55:02.150
There's there's no more countries.
960
00:55:02.210 --> 00:55:04.310
It seems like you're trying to push it to where we're nothing more than
961
00:55:04.310 --> 00:55:09.210
economic zones and we're slowly getting pushed to the point where it's
962
00:55:09.210 --> 00:55:13.110
like, there's humanity. We're one world, one people,
963
00:55:13.110 --> 00:55:14.830
but of course it's going to be three or four people say,
964
00:55:14.910 --> 00:55:17.190
but we're going to help you make the decisions.
965
00:55:19.330 --> 00:55:23.450
Yeah. I mean, um, I think, you know, in, I, like when I,
966
00:55:23.450 --> 00:55:28.550
when I did my research and when you saw all these, these,
967
00:55:28.630 --> 00:55:31.290
these big campaigns by outfits, like ma'am,
968
00:55:31.350 --> 00:55:35.290
national association of manufacturers and, um, and they were essentially,
969
00:55:35.950 --> 00:55:37.850
well, there were a lot of different selling. There was,
970
00:55:37.930 --> 00:55:41.470
they were selling the founders of industry, right? They,
971
00:55:41.470 --> 00:55:44.410
they transformed their image from robber barons to captains of industry.
972
00:55:44.990 --> 00:55:48.470
Then. So that was the rehab to the, and the men,
973
00:55:48.770 --> 00:55:52.090
then there was a rehab to the entities themselves like AT&T and general
974
00:55:52.090 --> 00:55:55.890
mills. And they were all spending billions to create a corporate soul.
975
00:55:55.910 --> 00:55:58.210
So they would be perceived as warm.
976
00:55:58.290 --> 00:56:01.030
And then they were spending more billions to promote the system,
977
00:56:01.110 --> 00:56:03.690
which was capitalism as, as, as, as, you know,
978
00:56:03.750 --> 00:56:08.570
just to be completely wedded with Americanism, you know? And so,
979
00:56:08.570 --> 00:56:13.830
um, and, and during that time, you know, that group of people,
980
00:56:13.830 --> 00:56:17.370
of course they went into the textbooks and changed them, right?
981
00:56:17.610 --> 00:56:21.350
And so the whole generation is being socialized into, you know,
982
00:56:21.350 --> 00:56:25.490
America, the great I call it, right? And so, um, and,
983
00:56:25.830 --> 00:56:29.970
and the coming out of world war two, they, they did,
984
00:56:30.430 --> 00:56:31.710
I think NAMM it was, it was NAMM,
985
00:56:31.830 --> 00:56:36.730
I think our national advertising council did 1 billion per year of advertising
986
00:56:36.730 --> 00:56:40.830
for capitalism itself. Right. And then, or a million a year.
987
00:56:40.850 --> 00:56:42.630
And then the four years going into Reagan,
988
00:56:42.770 --> 00:56:46.950
it was 1 billion a year promoting capitalism. And so,
989
00:56:46.950 --> 00:56:49.730
but you see this change around, you know,
990
00:56:49.990 --> 00:56:54.550
around 1900s or 2000 and into the schools becomes this really
991
00:56:54.550 --> 00:56:57.850
different twist, right? Where the founders are, um,
992
00:56:58.030 --> 00:57:00.050
exposed as having slaves and, you know,
993
00:57:00.110 --> 00:57:04.110
so the negative aspects of America are starting to be shown. And, um,
994
00:57:04.110 --> 00:57:05.390
you know, I believe it was actually,
995
00:57:05.410 --> 00:57:08.630
it's totally intentional because you want to make the next generation
996
00:57:08.630 --> 00:57:11.290
global citizens. Right.
997
00:57:11.650 --> 00:57:14.530
You're preparing the next generation, but this is why there's this big,
998
00:57:14.530 --> 00:57:16.970
you know, rifts between, you know,
999
00:57:17.090 --> 00:57:19.350
some of the young people and the old people is for, you know,
1000
00:57:19.350 --> 00:57:20.190
the older people are just,
1001
00:57:20.190 --> 00:57:24.730
are just is indoctrinated into the mythology of America essentially.
1002
00:57:25.430 --> 00:57:27.870
Um, and, and so, but,
1003
00:57:28.030 --> 00:57:32.490
but the younger ones are basically being indoctrinated into
1004
00:57:32.490 --> 00:57:37.070
global citizenship. And so, yeah, I mean, like,
1005
00:57:37.190 --> 00:57:38.970
well there'll be a reason for that. And, and, you know,
1006
00:57:38.970 --> 00:57:41.010
if people say, well, the leftists, the cultural Marxists,
1007
00:57:41.010 --> 00:57:45.230
they got into the school system. Look at the corporations were going,
1008
00:57:45.690 --> 00:57:47.250
the power company was spending,
1009
00:57:47.450 --> 00:57:51.610
I don't know how much to go into all the textbooks and change,
1010
00:57:52.050 --> 00:57:56.470
like basically a race. It was George Orwell, right? Memory hold,
1011
00:57:56.750 --> 00:58:01.470
memory hold the watered stock, right? Anything good about, you know,
1012
00:58:01.710 --> 00:58:04.410
public ownership. I mean, they just, and they, they,
1013
00:58:04.410 --> 00:58:07.110
they did like a scientific management.
1014
00:58:07.190 --> 00:58:10.450
They would have a team of people and they would take all the textbooks and
1015
00:58:10.450 --> 00:58:16.210
identify all the problems. Then NAMM did it later. Um, like over,
1016
00:58:16.670 --> 00:58:20.410
um, based on capitalism, you know, it was only going to be good,
1017
00:58:20.430 --> 00:58:25.110
good comments, um, in the textbooks. And so there was going to be,
1018
00:58:25.230 --> 00:58:29.670
um, they were going to be sanitized for capitalism. And so, um,
1019
00:58:30.290 --> 00:58:31.950
anyways, they, so you,
1020
00:58:31.950 --> 00:58:35.290
do you think that those people forgot that textbooks are the key?
1021
00:58:35.850 --> 00:58:38.930
You know what I mean? Like they don't forget the cultural Marxists.
1022
00:58:39.450 --> 00:58:40.790
They weren't, you know,
1023
00:58:40.910 --> 00:58:43.650
those Texas weren't allowed to change unless they were supposed to be
1024
00:58:43.650 --> 00:58:45.570
changed. Right. You see what I'm saying?
1025
00:58:45.890 --> 00:58:49.650
And because the design was always to have corporate or global citizens.
1026
00:58:50.170 --> 00:58:53.470
Now we, you know, we got to save the planet. We, you know what I mean?
1027
00:58:53.550 --> 00:58:54.730
And so, you know,
1028
00:58:54.850 --> 00:58:57.950
rogue nation states who are selfish and not part of the community of
1029
00:58:57.950 --> 00:59:02.410
nations are going to be, you know, um, tarred and feathered.
1030
00:59:04.230 --> 00:59:06.770
So, yeah, but are, are,
1031
00:59:06.770 --> 00:59:10.970
are we really to abandon the idea of, uh, uniqueness in culture at all?
1032
00:59:11.010 --> 00:59:12.610
Because I mean, if, if there's a move to this,
1033
00:59:12.650 --> 00:59:15.010
then that means like none of us are unique or nothing.
1034
00:59:15.170 --> 00:59:19.890
We're just basically servants and assets for the
1035
00:59:19.890 --> 00:59:21.390
globalist elites. That's all we are.
1036
00:59:21.570 --> 00:59:24.790
No, I'm not, I'm not for making everything. I'm not saying you are.
1037
00:59:25.210 --> 00:59:28.610
Yeah. Everything. It's like cars. Everything looks like a CRV now.
1038
00:59:29.510 --> 00:59:32.130
Yeah. Right. Everything gets, you know, it's all smaller.
1039
00:59:32.330 --> 00:59:35.370
And it's like a pilot doesn't look like a pilot. Um,
1040
00:59:35.370 --> 00:59:39.550
it all looks like a CRV, everything. Um, so no. And, and you want the,
1041
00:59:39.550 --> 00:59:44.210
the, uh, uniform type person that's a global citizen that looks the same,
1042
00:59:44.270 --> 00:59:46.950
whether they're in Japan or, uh, you know.
1043
00:59:47.610 --> 00:59:49.190
Yeah. But do you, do you think we should, um,
1044
00:59:49.190 --> 00:59:52.450
we should move that way? And just suggest your opinion. Uh,
1045
00:59:52.450 --> 00:59:55.610
is that the way we should move, you know, as humanity or?
1046
00:59:55.810 --> 00:59:58.590
I don't think so at all. I mean, I like the differences, you know?
1047
00:59:58.590 --> 01:00:01.270
I mean, that's what makes us all unique. And, you know,
1048
01:00:01.270 --> 01:00:04.950
there is no one, one system fits all. Right. And, you know,
1049
01:00:04.950 --> 01:00:08.590
I got a, I got an example that's even closer to home and what we're talking
1050
01:00:08.590 --> 01:00:12.310
about right now. You can't drive anywhere, almost anywhere in America,
1051
01:00:12.370 --> 01:00:16.250
even in small towns almost seems without seeing, uh, big box businesses.
1052
01:00:16.350 --> 01:00:18.950
Yeah. Like there's a Home Depot everywhere. There's a McDonald's everywhere.
1053
01:00:19.030 --> 01:00:19.970
It's like, it's like,
1054
01:00:19.970 --> 01:00:24.830
they're trying to take away what makes everybody or everything unique.
1055
01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:28.630
Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. And it's, it's ugly, really. It's, it's,
1056
01:00:28.630 --> 01:00:32.530
it's a corporate, it's just a corporate look to everything. And, um,
1057
01:00:32.530 --> 01:00:37.230
it is ugly. I agree. Yeah, I agree. And so, yeah, no people, you know, it's,
1058
01:00:37.330 --> 01:00:39.690
again, I, you know, I don't hope for bad times,
1059
01:00:39.690 --> 01:00:43.870
but I know that when they come with people wake up more, you know? Um,
1060
01:00:43.870 --> 01:00:46.890
so like, like now is the time to talk to people on the left.
1061
01:00:47.250 --> 01:00:51.250
It, my perspective, right? Like if you were, um, if you, you know,
1062
01:00:51.290 --> 01:00:54.290
went back to maybe COVID, um,
1063
01:00:54.290 --> 01:00:58.770
people on the right were maybe more incensed about things, you know? Um,
1064
01:00:58.770 --> 01:01:00.710
so I just, you know, try to,
1065
01:01:00.710 --> 01:01:04.470
try to track the discontent because I know that people are going to be more
1066
01:01:04.470 --> 01:01:06.310
like their box of the world is being broken.
1067
01:01:06.310 --> 01:01:09.610
And now they're interested about like, wait a minute, let's talk about this.
1068
01:01:09.610 --> 01:01:11.770
And so, um, you know,
1069
01:01:11.770 --> 01:01:14.550
and getting a message out in a way that's, uh,
1070
01:01:14.770 --> 01:01:16.850
non-partisan and,
1071
01:01:16.850 --> 01:01:21.430
and historic and away from landmines is, is what I'm trying to do.
1072
01:01:21.610 --> 01:01:25.370
So, and I have like a study guide with the first book and I'll probably
1073
01:01:25.370 --> 01:01:28.270
make a study guide for the second book, but it's going to be a little bit,
1074
01:01:28.570 --> 01:01:32.110
but so people can sit around in a, you know,
1075
01:01:32.130 --> 01:01:34.950
it could get people together and actually have conversations, which,
1076
01:01:35.530 --> 01:01:39.850
you know, is pretty novel, right? Yeah, these days it is.
1077
01:01:39.890 --> 01:01:42.030
And people yelling at each other, but you know,
1078
01:01:42.030 --> 01:01:43.690
you're talking about important things. Like for example,
1079
01:01:43.750 --> 01:01:46.310
do we really have free speech? Yeah. Right.
1080
01:01:46.350 --> 01:01:49.850
Well in an age of like, like have you ever any read any of, um,
1081
01:01:49.930 --> 01:01:53.310
gosh his name's names Phillips from Sonoma state. He wrote the giants.
1082
01:01:53.310 --> 01:01:57.150
I didn't know. Okay. Well, you know, omni-cron omni,
1083
01:01:57.290 --> 01:02:02.170
omni-cron WPP and, um,
1084
01:02:02.190 --> 01:02:05.870
intergroup he's really, those are like the top three, um,
1085
01:02:06.010 --> 01:02:09.010
public relation firms, but he shows in his book, I mean, he like,
1086
01:02:09.230 --> 01:02:13.350
literally everything has a public relations, um,
1087
01:02:13.970 --> 01:02:17.650
department, except for us. Um, so like, oh, like,
1088
01:02:17.650 --> 01:02:19.250
like the military has it, the,
1089
01:02:19.510 --> 01:02:22.790
all the nonprofit groups universities have it, the government department.
1090
01:02:22.790 --> 01:02:27.310
I want to ask you something though. I mean, every, everything,
1091
01:02:27.390 --> 01:02:30.850
like you spent a lot of time on this, obviously. So how,
1092
01:02:30.850 --> 01:02:34.850
how can people learn? I mean, obviously they can read it in your book,
1093
01:02:34.850 --> 01:02:36.970
but like, can you give us a quick,
1094
01:02:37.150 --> 01:02:41.590
like how can people learn to spot the manipulation and
1095
01:02:41.590 --> 01:02:42.750
recognize the manipulation?
1096
01:02:44.690 --> 01:02:48.590
Well, that's the thing, right? So like, okay, can you, can you see this?
1097
01:02:48.890 --> 01:02:50.830
It's kind of, it's kind of going in and out.
1098
01:02:50.830 --> 01:02:53.210
Yeah, I can't, I can't see it. I can't come out there.
1099
01:02:53.290 --> 01:02:56.670
Maybe that's a little bit better anyways. You can put it on the thing, but,
1100
01:02:56.690 --> 01:02:59.650
but so you have a historical framework, right?
1101
01:02:59.690 --> 01:03:02.690
And so you know patterns and principles and you know the time lag and you
1102
01:03:02.690 --> 01:03:05.130
know that any, any, any, uh,
1103
01:03:05.130 --> 01:03:09.090
story that came out right at the time was generally not true, right?
1104
01:03:09.090 --> 01:03:12.570
That's, that's reality from the 1900s on. Okay. Um,
1105
01:03:12.570 --> 01:03:15.450
then there's an economical framework, right? That, like, for example,
1106
01:03:15.510 --> 01:03:18.170
Trump will say, oh, we're going to make America great again. Well,
1107
01:03:18.170 --> 01:03:19.190
wait a minute, or like,
1108
01:03:19.230 --> 01:03:22.930
we're going to bring manufacturing to the United States. Yeah. And you go,
1109
01:03:23.090 --> 01:03:24.350
like that's laughable, right?
1110
01:03:24.910 --> 01:03:28.910
Because you might bring something that's pertinent to them, but,
1111
01:03:29.530 --> 01:03:32.590
but they're multinational companies. Now they don't do anything that isn't,
1112
01:03:32.630 --> 01:03:36.110
you know, they're not, they're not for America, right? They're, they're,
1113
01:03:36.110 --> 01:03:39.690
they're seeking four things. Um, low labor protections,
1114
01:03:39.810 --> 01:03:42.430
low environmental protection, subsidies, and tax breaks.
1115
01:03:43.410 --> 01:03:45.470
And they can go at literally anywhere in the world.
1116
01:03:45.470 --> 01:03:47.310
So why come back to America?
1117
01:03:47.750 --> 01:03:50.930
And why would you do that anyways if in four years Trump's not in office
1118
01:03:50.930 --> 01:03:55.370
anymore? And suddenly everything can be rolled back. So, I mean,
1119
01:03:55.370 --> 01:03:59.010
I'm just saying like, it's, it's like, if you understand, you know,
1120
01:03:59.050 --> 01:04:03.770
the power that they, that they had at the turn of the century, um, you,
1121
01:04:04.030 --> 01:04:07.990
you can, you can, something like that doesn't, um,
1122
01:04:08.890 --> 01:04:11.930
doesn't delude you, right? Is that making sense?
1123
01:04:12.510 --> 01:04:16.290
So the, um, the, the problems here,
1124
01:04:16.290 --> 01:04:20.330
they're just using that example there. The problems started
1125
01:04:21.570 --> 01:04:24.310
when you, when you were talking about corporation general back in the
1126
01:04:24.310 --> 01:04:28.390
beginning. Once a business was recognized as a person, so to speak,
1127
01:04:28.450 --> 01:04:31.450
and not just an entity, but like they can be an individual.
1128
01:04:31.490 --> 01:04:33.610
You can be taxed like an individual, but you're really a corporation.
1129
01:04:34.150 --> 01:04:36.310
You're not a person, but you kind of have the same rights,
1130
01:04:36.310 --> 01:04:38.950
but not held accountable as a person does like a real person,
1131
01:04:38.970 --> 01:04:41.630
which is ridiculous. So once that happened,
1132
01:04:42.270 --> 01:04:47.530
there was no reason to be tied to the country from which you,
1133
01:04:47.650 --> 01:04:49.090
which you are or have been. I mean,
1134
01:04:49.090 --> 01:04:53.370
there's no more national pride in a corporation. Now it's just about money.
1135
01:04:53.550 --> 01:04:56.910
It's about the global economy. And when it came to manufacturing,
1136
01:04:57.050 --> 01:05:00.050
let's not forget, we gave that away as Americans,
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we gave that infrastructure away. So to bring it back,
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it's not feasible because we were just not set up for it.
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It'll cost so much more money to do that that we wouldn't even be able
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to afford the goods that were made from these factories.
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01:05:11.170 --> 01:05:13.970
So we kind of shot ourselves in the foot when it came to that,
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01:05:14.550 --> 01:05:18.210
but it benefits the companies, like you said though, right?
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01:05:18.950 --> 01:05:19.690
It keeps the profits in the pockets.
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01:05:19.690 --> 01:05:20.410
Yeah, absolutely. So right.
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01:05:20.630 --> 01:05:25.230
And we've been indirect beneficiaries of that from the stock markets,
1146
01:05:25.590 --> 01:05:28.070
right? So if the corporations are doing good because they're exploiting
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01:05:28.070 --> 01:05:31.430
people, which usually they're exploiting labor, right?
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01:05:31.430 --> 01:05:33.570
Spread shops are right on the other side of Mexico, right here,
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01:05:33.570 --> 01:05:38.110
right down here. And so, you know, I mean, I think, so, so,
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01:05:38.110 --> 01:05:43.570
but again, knowing that historically is a framework, a glasses, right?
1151
01:05:43.570 --> 01:05:47.390
So to speak, and then you look at the communication platform and how early,
1152
01:05:47.630 --> 01:05:51.830
like this, if you know this history, you realize that, um,
1153
01:05:52.430 --> 01:05:56.430
you know, they own that platform, right? And, and it, and like, for,
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01:05:56.550 --> 01:05:59.410
for example, and this idea of usurping discontent, I mean,
1155
01:05:59.470 --> 01:06:03.390
this is how you keep a democracy look like a functioning democracy.
1156
01:06:03.590 --> 01:06:07.150
You have to have victories where the people look like they win.
1157
01:06:07.150 --> 01:06:11.750
And you have to have exposures that look like the bad guys are getting punished
1158
01:06:11.750 --> 01:06:15.090
when they never are gambling. You got to let them win once in a while.
1159
01:06:17.950 --> 01:06:22.690
Exactly. So that's it. That's a perfect example. That's perfect, George.
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01:06:22.790 --> 01:06:25.070
I got to use that in my book. It's like gambling.
1161
01:06:25.170 --> 01:06:26.550
We just got to let them win every once in a while.
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01:06:27.690 --> 01:06:30.390
They stopped coming back. Right. That's what the,
1163
01:06:30.390 --> 01:06:34.050
that's what the age of reform was. It was a phony win. Yeah.
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01:06:34.090 --> 01:06:37.050
To be honest for the people and Roosevelt, instead of saying,
1165
01:06:37.150 --> 01:06:40.270
look, there are real problems with the corporate structure, right?
1166
01:06:40.470 --> 01:06:43.730
There's no liability anymore, which is what you just said. Right?
1167
01:06:43.930 --> 01:06:46.650
So nobody can, or accountability, right? Right. Really?
1168
01:06:48.210 --> 01:06:52.390
It's like they can drive this big truck around and crash into things and
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wreck stuff and they can just drive away, you know,
1170
01:06:55.150 --> 01:06:57.350
they got more money. So if you do want to get into a lawsuit,
1171
01:06:57.530 --> 01:07:00.350
they're just going to outspend you. You can't afford it. You can't do it.
1172
01:07:00.350 --> 01:07:03.170
You can't do it. You can't, you can't hold them accountable. You can't.
1173
01:07:03.270 --> 01:07:05.970
Right. And there's no liability. Nobody's, nobody's going to prison.
1174
01:07:05.970 --> 01:07:08.890
So anyways, they were supposed to be for short term. They're supposed to be.
1175
01:07:09.130 --> 01:07:13.490
And again, the States would charter them and they kept a rope on them,
1176
01:07:13.490 --> 01:07:16.030
right? Because they were so dangerous and powerful, right?
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01:07:16.090 --> 01:07:19.250
After the South sea bubble in, in, in the UK,
1178
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they banned them for almost a hundred years because everybody lost money.
1179
01:07:23.270 --> 01:07:24.850
Everybody was screwed in the South sea bubble.
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01:07:25.310 --> 01:07:29.530
And the population rose up and said, you better get rid of those things.
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01:07:29.690 --> 01:07:32.910
And as soon as that generation died, they brought them back. Wow.
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01:07:32.910 --> 01:07:33.910
And so.
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01:07:35.050 --> 01:07:39.170
So it's like literally, literally the literal example of, of, you know,
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01:07:39.170 --> 01:07:40.570
you keep talking about the historical perspective.
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01:07:40.610 --> 01:07:43.650
You don't know your history, you're doomed to repeat it. And also, if, if,
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01:07:43.650 --> 01:07:47.330
if you know your history, you know where you're going. Right. So it's,
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01:07:47.330 --> 01:07:49.690
it's, it's crazy, you know, that if we ignore that,
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01:07:50.010 --> 01:07:51.910
but as you stated earlier, it's very true. Look,
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01:07:52.290 --> 01:07:55.870
history is written by the winner or whoever controls the narrative in this
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case. And we don't ever really, are we really going to ever know the
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01:07:58.650 --> 01:08:02.450
truth? Like I, I'm going to tell you this right now. I was an avid reader.
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01:08:02.450 --> 01:08:05.310
I don't have time for it anymore. I am so busy. I have so much going on.
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So I love me. I used to love it. I mean, I read so many books,
1194
01:08:08.730 --> 01:08:12.170
but the reality is is I have some books that I kept.
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I didn't sell them all,
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but I have some that I kept that I can go in and I could read a
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passage, especially a historical passage. And it says one thing,
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I pick up a modern history book and it's a completely different thing now.
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And it's like, wait a minute,
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how come it doesn't reference this war in the way that, but you know,
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01:08:29.370 --> 01:08:31.910
and that does happen. You know, history has been rewritten,
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01:08:31.910 --> 01:08:35.670
even in my lifetime, I have noticed that it's crazy.
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01:08:36.950 --> 01:08:41.130
Yeah. Yeah. So, so you, so again, if you can be,
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01:08:41.630 --> 01:08:45.710
all these frameworks help you to blow up propaganda.
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01:08:46.069 --> 01:08:47.750
And so, you know, it's about trust, right?
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01:08:47.870 --> 01:08:50.890
So trust in democracy would keep you very, very vulnerable.
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01:08:51.029 --> 01:08:52.510
If you don't get that we don't have power,
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01:08:54.649 --> 01:08:57.529
how's it ever going to work if the people don't have the power, right?
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01:08:58.550 --> 01:09:01.810
Right. We don't. And we've let it amass so much,
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01:09:01.810 --> 01:09:04.750
like, you know, it's not like it's just a little snowball rolling downhill now.
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01:09:04.830 --> 01:09:07.910
It's not like, like we'd have caught it at the turn of the century, right?
1212
01:09:08.529 --> 01:09:09.390
It kind of asks the question.
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01:09:09.550 --> 01:09:12.229
So did we unintentionally give it away ourselves?
1214
01:09:12.410 --> 01:09:16.069
Did the people just naively give it away? Because as you stated earlier,
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like, Hey, we, we kind of live comfortably. I mean,
1216
01:09:18.970 --> 01:09:23.050
we may be manipulated, but life ain't that bad in America, for example.
1217
01:09:24.130 --> 01:09:26.090
There was a lot of discontent, right?
1218
01:09:26.149 --> 01:09:28.330
The West, South and the Midwest were getting screwed.
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01:09:28.370 --> 01:09:30.050
Like they had tariffs for the Northeast.
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01:09:30.050 --> 01:09:32.990
And so they were paying more for all their, you know,
1221
01:09:33.189 --> 01:09:34.350
Oh, no, I'm talking about modern times.
1222
01:09:36.229 --> 01:09:38.510
So we've literally given away our bill.
1223
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Like it's almost like we don't care anymore. It's like, yeah, whatever.
1224
01:09:41.130 --> 01:09:41.910
You just move on with life.
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01:09:41.990 --> 01:09:46.370
You know, like, I mean, it is, it surely is because you lose, lose,
1226
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lose, right? And you realize, even if you protest, um, you know,
1227
01:09:50.050 --> 01:09:53.490
they can infiltrate a protest easily. Yeah. I mean, um,
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01:09:53.510 --> 01:09:57.210
and blame it on that group, which, you know, I mean, that's,
1229
01:09:57.210 --> 01:09:59.350
that's a piece of cake. And so it's done,
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01:09:59.350 --> 01:10:03.670
been been done historically numerous times. And, and so like,
1231
01:10:03.690 --> 01:10:07.070
you don't even have the protest anymore. And so you think, well,
1232
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and right and left doesn't matter, right?
1233
01:10:08.810 --> 01:10:11.730
So I think there's a whole pile of people in that middle, but again,
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they're looking for leadership. They're looking for a voice. And, you know,
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you got tons of people out there. Like, I don't know if you,
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01:10:18.010 --> 01:10:21.710
the volunteer, voluntarius movement, which I think is just ridiculous.
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01:10:22.430 --> 01:10:25.350
What was that? I feel you've never heard about this pretty,
1238
01:10:25.350 --> 01:10:29.550
big out here is with like, um, oh, who are the biggest guys? Well, James,
1239
01:10:29.690 --> 01:10:32.270
I feel like I should know that Lark and Rose, um,
1240
01:10:34.050 --> 01:10:37.450
Derek Rose, I think anyways, but it's talking about,
1241
01:10:38.150 --> 01:10:39.910
it's like saying, okay, you know,
1242
01:10:40.010 --> 01:10:44.470
government is run by organized crime and government's bad. And,
1243
01:10:44.690 --> 01:10:47.910
and you can, you can get rid of government. And, um, it's just so,
1244
01:10:48.010 --> 01:10:51.770
it's ridiculous if you ask me, I mean, it's like saying, okay, you know,
1245
01:10:51.970 --> 01:10:54.370
money's getting laundered through a Chinese laundry.
1246
01:10:54.370 --> 01:10:58.690
Let's say all Chinese laundries are bad. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1247
01:10:58.830 --> 01:11:02.430
You got to figure out, I mean, like government itself is just a contract.
1248
01:11:03.390 --> 01:11:06.910
Um, so they had this, so there's a lot of, it's just, see, again,
1249
01:11:06.910 --> 01:11:10.530
if you can take the people, take them slightly off track and, and,
1250
01:11:10.530 --> 01:11:15.290
and, and follow some, I don't want to say what I want to say,
1251
01:11:15.310 --> 01:11:18.990
but anyways, some leader, so-called leader, you know,
1252
01:11:19.090 --> 01:11:21.930
so-called leader. And it's like, you know, and they're, they're being,
1253
01:11:21.930 --> 01:11:24.370
so they got the alien thing. The aliens are coming.
1254
01:11:24.910 --> 01:11:28.290
All these streams of just, and the people just don't know where to turn to.
1255
01:11:28.890 --> 01:11:33.150
Hey, wait a minute. Isn't that interesting how our government has lately been,
1256
01:11:33.150 --> 01:11:35.710
uh, yeah, I know what you're saying.
1257
01:11:36.150 --> 01:11:40.890
You know, a lot of people forget during COVID that the CIA released all
1258
01:11:40.890 --> 01:11:45.630
these documents related to aliens. They literally released it.
1259
01:11:45.650 --> 01:11:49.150
It was a big old thing. And for, for two days, it was a big thing.
1260
01:11:49.150 --> 01:11:53.510
And then people just, they forgot. And it's so funny.
1261
01:11:54.230 --> 01:11:56.030
And, uh, recently with Obama's statement,
1262
01:11:56.490 --> 01:11:59.550
which you could read that many different ways. He could be facetious.
1263
01:11:59.710 --> 01:12:02.650
He could just be like, yeah, they exist, but I don't know. Maybe, maybe,
1264
01:12:02.830 --> 01:12:06.210
maybe that's what he was saying. But, and then Trump responds like, well,
1265
01:12:07.030 --> 01:12:10.750
he's given away secrets. They shouldn't be given away. So, so what is,
1266
01:12:10.790 --> 01:12:15.410
what is true? And is that story not yet another distraction,
1267
01:12:15.410 --> 01:12:16.790
you know, like you're saying,
1268
01:12:16.790 --> 01:12:19.870
is it just something else to keep us busy and occupied?
1269
01:12:20.330 --> 01:12:22.130
I think it is. I think there's so many, I mean,
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01:12:22.130 --> 01:12:24.110
they're throwing so many things at us at once.
1271
01:12:24.550 --> 01:12:26.710
And so long as they have these firehose, right? Right.
1272
01:12:26.790 --> 01:12:29.730
And like that national sovereignty movement stuff,
1273
01:12:29.730 --> 01:12:32.670
I think that's absolute nonsense. Um, it, you know,
1274
01:12:32.670 --> 01:12:34.930
like if they don't follow the law, if it's a lawless group,
1275
01:12:35.390 --> 01:12:38.250
how are you going to get them to keep the law anyway? Yeah. You know,
1276
01:12:38.250 --> 01:12:43.110
and it's such a, um, a messaging nightmare. It's so complicated that,
1277
01:12:43.170 --> 01:12:44.250
you know, you'd have to be, you know,
1278
01:12:44.250 --> 01:12:47.310
you'd have to consult five attorneys to figure out if it was actually true or
1279
01:12:47.310 --> 01:12:51.230
not. Anyway, I mean, you know, so, so many of these things that people,
1280
01:12:51.810 --> 01:12:55.650
you know, are people being, you know, here's, they're like, you know,
1281
01:12:55.850 --> 01:12:59.050
life rafts that are, that are being thrown out that are, that are,
1282
01:12:59.050 --> 01:13:01.950
that are broken. You know what I mean? They're not going anywhere.
1283
01:13:02.230 --> 01:13:07.110
And they're not going to have any meaningful, um, impact, but, um, you know,
1284
01:13:07.110 --> 01:13:12.070
the, the, the sound voices can't get traction or don't have
1285
01:13:12.070 --> 01:13:16.820
money, you know? So, so I, it happened, you know, it's like, really, we,
1286
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:21.080
we have to spread the message, right? Um, like, that's why I say these groups,
1287
01:13:21.140 --> 01:13:24.520
like teach your kids, like, like if you just hand them a phone,
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01:13:24.820 --> 01:13:28.060
even if you hold off giving them to like, let's say they're a team,
1289
01:13:28.100 --> 01:13:31.220
they don't know what they're entering. If you can, you know,
1290
01:13:31.320 --> 01:13:34.180
give them historical context and say, you know, everything, you know,
1291
01:13:34.180 --> 01:13:37.280
is suspect on this and you don't even have to understand what they're
1292
01:13:37.280 --> 01:13:39.360
up against. And if you don't understand it,
1293
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you don't know how to move forward. You can't come up with a game plan.
1294
01:13:41.400 --> 01:13:44.480
Right. You know, that also, that also challenges the idea,
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01:13:44.620 --> 01:13:47.300
which may be another falsehood, like the idea of grassroots movements,
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01:13:47.380 --> 01:13:49.540
more organic growth and all that. I mean, we,
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01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:54.160
it doesn't stand a chance against the big machine of money and manipulation.
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01:13:54.160 --> 01:13:57.100
I mean, there's no way. Right. So at some point, you know,
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like push comes to shove, we're going to be,
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01:13:59.500 --> 01:14:01.880
we're going to be asked to do things we, we don't want to,
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01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:07.100
you know, pitchforks. Yeah, right. No, right. Right.
1302
01:14:07.320 --> 01:14:09.860
So, I mean, people like, you know, I don't want it to get there,
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01:14:09.860 --> 01:14:13.320
but, you know, so, so as a Nissan, you know, said, right. So the, the, um,
1304
01:14:14.420 --> 01:14:15.160
you know, it's like,
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01:14:15.240 --> 01:14:18.040
you never know what people are going to do when that moment comes. Right.
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01:14:18.120 --> 01:14:20.940
So I say people are going to have to suffer. I mean,
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01:14:20.940 --> 01:14:24.440
you don't get to maintain freedom and not suffer. Right. You have to,
1308
01:14:24.460 --> 01:14:26.520
it's, it's if you want safety and security,
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01:14:26.580 --> 01:14:28.460
you're going the way they want you to go.
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01:14:28.820 --> 01:14:30.400
They've trained you the way they want you to train.
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01:14:30.980 --> 01:14:33.920
I hope I don't get it wrong. What good, uh, good times create weak men.
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01:14:34.300 --> 01:14:37.120
Right. Bad times creates strong men. Right. And it doesn't have to be,
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01:14:37.120 --> 01:14:40.000
which doesn't mean it can apply to anybody, but just saying, you know,
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01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:41.940
and that's a very, very true statement. I mean,
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we've had it good for so long that we become complacent. We become weak.
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01:14:45.860 --> 01:14:49.420
We become unwilling to challenge because we're like, Hey, I got a decent job.
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01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:53.420
We've got Starbucks on the corner. Who cares? Right. Right. But, you know,
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01:14:53.460 --> 01:14:57.580
that whole thing is, I mean, it's, it's time to go out across the world.
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01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:01.660
Right. And I, I, I liken it like this. Okay. Coming out of the,
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the world war two, our generation,
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01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:09.840
or maybe a generation and a half got a skim. They got played into the deal.
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01:15:10.400 --> 01:15:14.540
Yeah. You got, you get great benefits. I mean, you got ridiculous, you know,
1323
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like manufacturing, um, wages were high. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
1324
01:15:19.340 --> 01:15:22.000
And, and, and everything was taken care of your insurance and everything.
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01:15:22.020 --> 01:15:24.500
And you're getting played into the deal. Right. Okay.
1326
01:15:24.500 --> 01:15:27.000
But you gotta be like a little wary. Right. So like,
1327
01:15:27.120 --> 01:15:29.140
then they go around the globe, right.
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01:15:29.340 --> 01:15:34.120
Expropriating resources in different countries. Um, and, and, and,
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you know, just creating the networks that they need globally.
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01:15:39.280 --> 01:15:41.600
And, and now they're coming back to America, but it's time to,
1331
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:43.660
it's time to settle up. Right. It's, it's like, well,
1332
01:15:43.700 --> 01:15:47.620
we won the Monopoly game. It's time to liquidate. Right. I think,
1333
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I think that's what you see happening. Right. I mean, look at the,
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look at the housing market. They're, they're, they're seeking,
1335
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:56.060
so seeking real assets. They're,
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they're using equity to buy up houses.
1337
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There's people here in Tucson that have showed me like,
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they get these postcards all the time saying, Hey,
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and they don't live in great areas. Right. Cause I do home health.
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01:16:06.220 --> 01:16:08.300
So I go around different places and they'll,
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they'll say I get calls regularly every week. Um, and it's, it's a nothing,
1342
01:16:12.480 --> 01:16:16.660
the place is nothing. And you know, they're offering 160,000, um,
1343
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or more, you know what I mean? For like just a small,
1344
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:23.800
it's not even a big lot. Right. Um, and so they're, you know,
1345
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:28.880
I think that that they want that to be a thing of the past. Right. Um,
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single family ownership.
1347
01:16:31.780 --> 01:16:35.020
Yeah, there is that. And, but let's just be honest. Uh, what you said earlier,
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um, kind of proves the point of certain systems,
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like we're talking about socialism, you know, or even,
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01:16:42.380 --> 01:16:46.820
even the Marx outlook, you know, they're fairly tied together. Um,
1351
01:16:47.160 --> 01:16:51.280
that for something to succeed, something else must suffer, right? For something,
1352
01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:58.860
for something to be elevated, something has to suffer. So,
1353
01:16:58.860 --> 01:17:01.760
because we need those resources, for example,
1354
01:17:02.160 --> 01:17:05.040
and you can see that in nature. I mean, let's just be honest.
1355
01:17:05.200 --> 01:17:09.040
Every predator needs something to prey on. It's a natural phenomenon.
1356
01:17:09.160 --> 01:17:13.140
So the idea that we're ever going to get to a point where humanity is Kumbaya
1357
01:17:13.140 --> 01:17:15.140
utopia and all of this, and I'm not saying that's what you're saying.
1358
01:17:15.260 --> 01:17:18.820
We're just, you know, having the conversation. Um, it's not feasible.
1359
01:17:18.980 --> 01:17:23.380
It's not natural to be honest. It really isn't. And I guess, you know,
1360
01:17:23.380 --> 01:17:28.000
as you said, we have to suffer a bit to get over what we're, you know,
1361
01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:31.320
going through. And it really goes back to like, look, if we're never going to,
1362
01:17:31.380 --> 01:17:33.100
if we're never going to be challenged and stressed,
1363
01:17:33.460 --> 01:17:35.720
we're never going to become great again, you know,
1364
01:17:36.020 --> 01:17:39.080
there might be evolutions of that, but again, once we become great,
1365
01:17:39.160 --> 01:17:42.040
something has to suffer. Like there's never going to be an even playing
1366
01:17:42.040 --> 01:17:44.980
field. So how are these, how are these?
1367
01:17:45.100 --> 01:17:46.780
But I think there's more potential in, you know, I mean,
1368
01:17:46.780 --> 01:17:48.500
like there's people that own, you know,
1369
01:17:48.500 --> 01:17:50.540
like just ridiculous amount of the,
1370
01:17:50.700 --> 01:17:53.260
like a small number of people who own ridiculous amounts.
1371
01:17:53.260 --> 01:17:54.340
Oh, I don't disagree with that.
1372
01:17:54.340 --> 01:17:57.180
No, no, I know what I'm saying that there could be, I mean,
1373
01:17:57.340 --> 01:18:00.920
there could definitely be more equitable, equitable use and,
1374
01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:03.940
and farming and regenerative farming and better food and you don't even
1375
01:18:03.940 --> 01:18:04.660
mean people.
1376
01:18:05.060 --> 01:18:07.460
Oh no, I get it. I mean, and when you look at, you look at like states,
1377
01:18:07.460 --> 01:18:09.040
for example, we're just talking about the U S not globally,
1378
01:18:09.060 --> 01:18:11.580
but states where it's like, oh, it's illegal to collect rainwater.
1379
01:18:11.700 --> 01:18:16.400
What water that falls out of the sky. You own that like really, you know,
1380
01:18:16.400 --> 01:18:19.360
oh, you can't grow your own vegetables in your backyard. Why? Who's it
1381
01:18:19.360 --> 01:18:22.120
hurting? You know, like those things, like I get it.
1382
01:18:22.120 --> 01:18:24.580
If you even think about it at that level, it's like,
1383
01:18:25.160 --> 01:18:29.680
who are you to control what I can do, which is a basic right of a human.
1384
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:31.600
Like if I'm out on the plains and we're trying to survive,
1385
01:18:32.040 --> 01:18:35.520
damn right it was take my claim, try to grow my veggies and collect rainwater.
1386
01:18:35.860 --> 01:18:40.840
But if I buy a house, I get taxed, I pay proper tax and perpetuity.
1387
01:18:41.040 --> 01:18:44.300
And then I can't do the things that I usually used to do if I was in
1388
01:18:44.300 --> 01:18:47.160
the pioneering days. Like, does that even make sense?
1389
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:51.300
Yeah, no. I mean, it's just, you know, it's massive control, right?
1390
01:18:54.160 --> 01:19:00.920
Um, and you know, it's the way people got to get sick of it and people got to train their kids.
1391
01:19:01.020 --> 01:19:03.600
I mean, there was no, there's no easy answer, George.
1392
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.200
And we know that, you know, that you would be doing these podcasts
1393
01:19:06.200 --> 01:19:07.560
if you thought there was an easy answer.
1394
01:19:08.160 --> 01:19:11.080
Um, but you know, it's like my model this year was, um,
1395
01:19:11.080 --> 01:19:14.640
real hope begins when illusion's end. And there was a friend of mine.
1396
01:19:14.860 --> 01:19:17.120
That's a good one actually. I like that. I like that.
1397
01:19:17.160 --> 01:19:20.380
Yeah. And so there was a friend of mine who was sort of just got
1398
01:19:20.380 --> 01:19:24.540
interested in that Andy's crash and there was a movie made out about it.
1399
01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:29.860
And, and, and a book, do you remember in 1972, they crashed and, um,
1400
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:33.340
anyways, he was telling me about this one moment where they had repaired
1401
01:19:33.340 --> 01:19:36.920
the radio and they're all listening around that, that radio.
1402
01:19:37.060 --> 01:19:39.560
And they were, they were listening, they were hearing about the search
1403
01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:42.180
and they hear the words that they would never want to hear, which
1404
01:19:42.180 --> 01:19:44.140
is the search has been called off.
1405
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:44.920
Right.
1406
01:19:45.220 --> 01:19:49.240
And so, um, at that point, um, you know, they had to decide
1407
01:19:49.240 --> 01:19:50.060
what they were going to do.
1408
01:19:50.380 --> 01:19:54.100
And so they ended up doing cannibalism.
1409
01:19:54.240 --> 01:19:57.580
You know, they had to, had to do that to strengthen themselves.
1410
01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:01.920
Um, and they walked out to a certain point and, and, and save themselves.
1411
01:20:02.440 --> 01:20:07.960
Um, but you know, how I use it now is that people think, you know,
1412
01:20:08.100 --> 01:20:10.240
politics is going to fix us or something else.
1413
01:20:10.380 --> 01:20:12.540
Like you need to hear the bad news.
1414
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:16.140
I mean, if they literally, if they did not hear that, that day,
1415
01:20:16.140 --> 01:20:21.160
there's a probable chance that they never would have survived because
1416
01:20:21.160 --> 01:20:25.620
they may have stayed, you know, a month longer and just were totally
1417
01:20:25.620 --> 01:20:28.800
in a weakened state and couldn't do it right.
1418
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:30.540
Or that it was deeper into winter.
1419
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:33.720
It was impossible, you know, there were passes that they
1420
01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:35.140
wouldn't be in, have been able to make.
1421
01:20:35.540 --> 01:20:38.340
So, you know, hearing the bad news is a good thing.
1422
01:20:38.620 --> 01:20:39.060
Right.
1423
01:20:39.060 --> 01:20:42.020
And then, you know, really what you've got left on the table
1424
01:20:42.020 --> 01:20:44.500
and you get really realistic quick.
1425
01:20:44.500 --> 01:20:50.580
Um, and so, you know, I, I'm like the Jeremiah alternative media.
1426
01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:53.780
I can't get out, you know, I, you know, I'm like, okay, I'm
1427
01:20:53.780 --> 01:20:54.880
going to tell you the bad news.
1428
01:20:54.940 --> 01:20:56.080
This is the really bad news.
1429
01:20:56.260 --> 01:20:57.120
We're up against it.
1430
01:20:57.200 --> 01:20:59.480
How do you feel about, about, uh, modern media?
1431
01:20:59.480 --> 01:21:02.520
Like what's considered alternative media, like podcasts and
1432
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:04.080
YouTube channels and all this.
1433
01:21:04.220 --> 01:21:07.420
I mean, what, what's your thoughts on that?
1434
01:21:07.460 --> 01:21:09.660
Because it seems like there's a lot of people talking a lot of
1435
01:21:09.660 --> 01:21:11.200
bullshit just to get attention.
1436
01:21:11.780 --> 01:21:16.140
And, and it's like, you know, should, should look, we're
1437
01:21:16.140 --> 01:21:18.800
already being manipulated by big, big corporations anyway.
1438
01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:24.000
But the reality is at what point do we not hold those
1439
01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:26.280
people accountable, just as we would want to have
1440
01:21:26.280 --> 01:21:27.820
corporations held accountable.
1441
01:21:28.020 --> 01:21:29.580
It seemed like they've been given free reign.
1442
01:21:31.160 --> 01:21:31.640
Yeah.
1443
01:21:31.660 --> 01:21:34.900
I mean, it's, I just think there's, there's a lot of
1444
01:21:34.900 --> 01:21:37.900
stuff being sponsored out there actually.
1445
01:21:38.060 --> 01:21:41.180
And then just, you know, of course there's always a, you
1446
01:21:41.180 --> 01:21:43.760
know, a head who just, like you said, wants ratings and,
1447
01:21:43.980 --> 01:21:46.260
you know, just to make, make a dollar for it.
1448
01:21:46.400 --> 01:21:48.420
And they, you know, I think like the politicians are not
1449
01:21:48.420 --> 01:21:50.460
coming to help you and the social media influencers
1450
01:21:50.460 --> 01:21:51.560
are not coming to help.
1451
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:52.400
No, no.
1452
01:21:52.460 --> 01:21:53.700
I mean, they're not coming to help you.
1453
01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:55.280
So they're not going to save you.
1454
01:21:55.280 --> 01:21:56.840
You've got to build in it for themselves.
1455
01:21:57.320 --> 01:21:57.400
Right.
1456
01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:00.040
You've got to build local, you know, you've got to
1457
01:22:00.040 --> 01:22:01.560
build your Walnut again.
1458
01:22:02.280 --> 01:22:04.600
Your community, the Walnut, right?
1459
01:22:04.740 --> 01:22:05.100
Yeah.
1460
01:22:05.100 --> 01:22:08.240
Uh, what I call the Walnut and, um, that local
1461
01:22:08.240 --> 01:22:13.340
community is going to really help you in, in a, a, a day when
1462
01:22:13.340 --> 01:22:14.080
things are hard.
1463
01:22:14.660 --> 01:22:17.680
Um, and so, and we, and we could, we don't really
1464
01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:19.920
have any local leaders now, George.
1465
01:22:20.120 --> 01:22:20.600
No.
1466
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:20.940
Right.
1467
01:22:21.040 --> 01:22:22.320
There's no civil society.
1468
01:22:22.380 --> 01:22:23.920
There's no lawyer that people look up to.
1469
01:22:24.100 --> 01:22:26.180
And the politicians are just, just forget it.
1470
01:22:26.380 --> 01:22:28.260
And the problem is even these so-called local
1471
01:22:28.260 --> 01:22:31.080
leaders are just taking the lead of the, the
1472
01:22:31.080 --> 01:22:32.160
rockstar politicians.
1473
01:22:32.380 --> 01:22:34.940
They're starting to follow that model, you know, big
1474
01:22:34.940 --> 01:22:37.720
fish, small pond, you know, problems is what it is.
1475
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:39.700
And, and so it's like, they're, they're kind of
1476
01:22:39.700 --> 01:22:40.960
following in the foot, same footsteps.
1477
01:22:42.300 --> 01:22:44.260
So yeah, like they're, are they really, they don't
1478
01:22:44.260 --> 01:22:45.080
care about community.
1479
01:22:45.620 --> 01:22:46.780
They just want to be rockstars.
1480
01:22:46.820 --> 01:22:47.880
They just want to be recognized.
1481
01:22:48.440 --> 01:22:53.260
So if you can, if you can make networks of people that
1482
01:22:53.260 --> 01:22:57.660
are sane and like you and me, and you know, that, that
1483
01:22:57.660 --> 01:22:58.080
have their...
1484
01:22:58.080 --> 01:22:59.060
I don't know if I'm sane.
1485
01:23:01.300 --> 01:23:03.980
I just, I've just opened a conversation, you know, and
1486
01:23:03.980 --> 01:23:05.060
that's what you were saying earlier.
1487
01:23:05.080 --> 01:23:06.140
Like people don't talk anymore.
1488
01:23:06.140 --> 01:23:07.060
They don't have discourse.
1489
01:23:07.060 --> 01:23:09.260
And, you know, people don't want to offend others.
1490
01:23:09.280 --> 01:23:11.240
And they just, they just, they just walk away and
1491
01:23:11.240 --> 01:23:12.080
scream and stammer.
1492
01:23:12.340 --> 01:23:13.480
And, you know, they don't want to be challenged.
1493
01:23:13.500 --> 01:23:14.680
And that's the problem also.
1494
01:23:14.700 --> 01:23:15.860
Well, and you think about it, right?
1495
01:23:15.940 --> 01:23:18.920
So like, if you look at, I call it the bifurcation
1496
01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:20.100
of the public mind.
1497
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:24.700
So prior to 1996, when Fox news started, right,
1498
01:23:24.700 --> 01:23:27.620
you had one source that everyone, one stream that
1499
01:23:27.620 --> 01:23:29.780
everybody's drinking from to create that public
1500
01:23:29.780 --> 01:23:30.640
mind, right?
1501
01:23:30.700 --> 01:23:32.780
That, that spiritual public that Gabriel Tarde
1502
01:23:32.780 --> 01:23:35.780
talked about in the 1800s.
1503
01:23:35.780 --> 01:23:38.540
And so it splits off, right?
1504
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:41.760
Because the disaffection, like the mainstream is
1505
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:44.180
getting, let's say tacking left and people feel
1506
01:23:44.180 --> 01:23:45.560
like they're being left out on the right.
1507
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:46.540
They're, they're issues.
1508
01:23:46.960 --> 01:23:49.440
And so Fox news splits off and then other
1509
01:23:49.440 --> 01:23:51.360
cable news, you know, similar ones.
1510
01:23:52.020 --> 01:23:55.380
And, and you have these streams diverging
1511
01:23:55.380 --> 01:23:57.180
till we're down here, down here.
1512
01:23:57.320 --> 01:23:57.700
You know what I mean?
1513
01:23:57.700 --> 01:24:00.240
We're so far apart that it's almost like
1514
01:24:00.240 --> 01:24:03.380
getting different facts through two different
1515
01:24:03.380 --> 01:24:03.840
sources.
1516
01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:06.480
So we're not even talking about the same facts
1517
01:24:07.440 --> 01:24:08.240
anymore, right?
1518
01:24:08.300 --> 01:24:09.800
Which is devastating, which is why, which,
1519
01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:11.640
which why everybody gets just yells at each
1520
01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:11.840
other.
1521
01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:12.340
You know what I mean?
1522
01:24:12.540 --> 01:24:14.480
Do you believe in the horseshoe theory?
1523
01:24:15.620 --> 01:24:16.280
The what theory?
1524
01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:17.780
Horse shoe theory.
1525
01:24:18.260 --> 01:24:19.560
I'm not sure I've heard that.
1526
01:24:19.700 --> 01:24:22.020
So it's like, if you look, if you look at
1527
01:24:22.020 --> 01:24:24.000
politics and even media, it's like a horseshoe,
1528
01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:25.040
right?
1529
01:24:25.180 --> 01:24:27.640
And at some point, as you start to get around
1530
01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:30.080
that horseshoe, the horn, it gets closer
1531
01:24:30.080 --> 01:24:33.040
together and they're almost start to look like
1532
01:24:33.040 --> 01:24:34.600
more similar than they are different.
1533
01:24:35.400 --> 01:24:38.260
As in, is there any real difference?
1534
01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:39.900
Is there really a left right?
1535
01:24:40.020 --> 01:24:42.700
Or is it just two sides of the same coin?
1536
01:24:46.620 --> 01:24:50.160
I mean, honestly, I mean, cause I can't
1537
01:24:50.160 --> 01:24:52.920
believe there's really different factions of
1538
01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:55.080
people trying to grab power so much as
1539
01:24:55.080 --> 01:24:57.700
it is, Hey, we figured out how to
1540
01:24:57.700 --> 01:25:00.060
manipulate people enough that if we show
1541
01:25:00.060 --> 01:25:02.140
them options, they're going to believe they
1542
01:25:02.140 --> 01:25:04.680
have options, but they really don't.
1543
01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:06.260
And in the end, everything is like a
1544
01:25:06.260 --> 01:25:06.440
pyramid.
1545
01:25:06.500 --> 01:25:09.300
It just funnels up to the top and
1546
01:25:09.300 --> 01:25:10.760
eventually comes, it goes up to one source.
1547
01:25:11.220 --> 01:25:11.660
Right.
1548
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:12.140
Yeah.
1549
01:25:12.140 --> 01:25:13.800
They definitely want to constrain the
1550
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:14.440
options, right?
1551
01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:17.040
Like the real, like I have this other,
1552
01:25:17.040 --> 01:25:20.000
um, this is, yeah, this is another,
1553
01:25:20.740 --> 01:25:22.520
I love illustrations.
1554
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:25.040
I don't know if you can see that.
1555
01:25:26.040 --> 01:25:27.160
Not too clear.
1556
01:25:27.400 --> 01:25:27.480
Okay.
1557
01:25:27.480 --> 01:25:28.520
It's called the, it's called the
1558
01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:30.520
monopoly tree, the monopoly tree.
1559
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:31.000
Okay.
1560
01:25:31.040 --> 01:25:33.160
It's, it has leaves, you know, these
1561
01:25:33.160 --> 01:25:34.280
are, these are issues.
1562
01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:36.400
Around the tree.
1563
01:25:36.480 --> 01:25:38.840
And then at the bottom are all these
1564
01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:40.180
monopolies or some monopoly and
1565
01:25:40.180 --> 01:25:42.420
finance news media, you know, uh,
1566
01:25:42.420 --> 01:25:43.900
corporations, of course, universities
1567
01:25:43.900 --> 01:25:45.180
have been, there were like public
1568
01:25:45.180 --> 01:25:46.600
private partnerships now, right?
1569
01:25:46.900 --> 01:25:48.620
Uh, the bar dole act allowed them to
1570
01:25:48.620 --> 01:25:50.160
come in and use taxpayer money to
1571
01:25:50.160 --> 01:25:52.280
get, you know, patents and stuff.
1572
01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:53.800
Um, and then the medical system,
1573
01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:54.740
I mean, I've been in the medical
1574
01:25:54.740 --> 01:25:56.300
system for 30 years and it's being
1575
01:25:56.300 --> 01:25:59.240
bought out by corporate entities so
1576
01:25:59.240 --> 01:26:00.840
that, you know, the, and the upline
1577
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:03.380
and the, you know, horizontal and,
1578
01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:05.800
vertical lines are all melding
1579
01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:06.620
together, right?
1580
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:08.720
I went recently into a interview
1581
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:11.600
and, um, they said, oh yeah, we,
1582
01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:12.980
we share, it was two home health
1583
01:26:12.980 --> 01:26:14.240
companies and they're like, oh,
1584
01:26:14.240 --> 01:26:15.720
we share a conference room.
1585
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:16.960
And I said, oh really, huh?
1586
01:26:17.040 --> 01:26:17.760
That's interesting.
1587
01:26:18.040 --> 01:26:19.180
And then they go, um, yeah,
1588
01:26:19.180 --> 01:26:19.880
we share staff.
1589
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:21.020
And I said, so you're the same
1590
01:26:21.020 --> 01:26:23.880
company and they go, oh yeah.
1591
01:26:24.100 --> 01:26:25.300
So it's like two different brands,
1592
01:26:25.440 --> 01:26:25.820
right?
1593
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:26.360
Yeah.
1594
01:26:26.360 --> 01:26:28.060
You could have this brand or that
1595
01:26:28.060 --> 01:26:29.560
brand, but it's the same parent
1596
01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:29.960
company.
1597
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:31.040
So it's just like they do in the
1598
01:26:31.040 --> 01:26:31.780
food industry, right?
1599
01:26:31.780 --> 01:26:32.040
Yeah.
1600
01:26:32.040 --> 01:26:33.320
Like Pepsi and Coke, for example.
1601
01:26:33.380 --> 01:26:34.020
Exactly.
1602
01:26:34.200 --> 01:26:35.540
You know, they own like MinuteMade
1603
01:26:35.540 --> 01:26:36.660
and all these other companies
1604
01:26:36.660 --> 01:26:37.440
that you wouldn't even know.
1605
01:26:37.480 --> 01:26:38.680
Gatorade, all of, all of it.
1606
01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:39.700
Lays, potato chips.
1607
01:26:39.860 --> 01:26:42.140
It's all like PepsiCo or Coca-Cola,
1608
01:26:43.020 --> 01:26:44.000
but you, most people don't even
1609
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:44.420
know that.
1610
01:26:44.860 --> 01:26:45.140
Right.
1611
01:26:45.380 --> 01:26:45.820
Right.
1612
01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.300
And so, um, yeah.
1613
01:26:48.340 --> 01:26:49.580
So, so it's just getting,
1614
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:51.380
it's getting crazy, you know?
1615
01:26:51.380 --> 01:26:52.580
I mean, so you have these
1616
01:26:52.580 --> 01:26:53.020
monopolies.
1617
01:26:53.100 --> 01:26:53.380
Okay.
1618
01:26:53.480 --> 01:26:55.820
So the point is that if we pull
1619
01:26:55.820 --> 01:26:57.140
any of these things off the
1620
01:26:57.140 --> 01:26:58.760
tree and the monopolies stay
1621
01:26:58.760 --> 01:26:59.900
there, that's where all the power
1622
01:26:59.900 --> 01:27:01.020
is, is what you're always saying.
1623
01:27:01.060 --> 01:27:01.480
Yeah.
1624
01:27:01.480 --> 01:27:04.100
In your opinion, is it really
1625
01:27:04.100 --> 01:27:05.000
getting worse?
1626
01:27:06.340 --> 01:27:07.480
Is it getting worse throughout
1627
01:27:07.480 --> 01:27:09.980
time or they just get better or
1628
01:27:09.980 --> 01:27:11.100
they're just getting better at
1629
01:27:11.100 --> 01:27:11.800
keeping us complicit?
1630
01:27:13.980 --> 01:27:14.920
What do you mean worse?
1631
01:27:15.360 --> 01:27:17.340
Or by, by like, like, well,
1632
01:27:18.980 --> 01:27:19.540
the control.
1633
01:27:20.700 --> 01:27:21.460
Oh, I think so.
1634
01:27:21.500 --> 01:27:21.700
Yeah.
1635
01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:23.180
I mean, it's starting because
1636
01:27:23.180 --> 01:27:24.640
they, they, they, they could
1637
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:27.160
only take over like this
1638
01:27:27.160 --> 01:27:28.760
stuff, the takeover of medicine
1639
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:30.380
started in the nineties.
1640
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:32.520
Yes, absolutely.
1641
01:27:32.900 --> 01:27:34.560
Because I was in Virginia at the
1642
01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:36.340
time and they were buying up all
1643
01:27:36.340 --> 01:27:37.520
these little community hospitals.
1644
01:27:37.780 --> 01:27:38.940
And when they had bought up all
1645
01:27:38.940 --> 01:27:40.120
the community hospitals there,
1646
01:27:40.360 --> 01:27:41.820
they waxed the allied health
1647
01:27:41.820 --> 01:27:43.300
professionals by about, you
1648
01:27:43.300 --> 01:27:45.280
know, $5 a visit, which, you
1649
01:27:45.280 --> 01:27:47.140
know, over the course of a, of
1650
01:27:47.140 --> 01:27:49.180
a, of a year was like 10,000
1651
01:27:49.180 --> 01:27:51.140
for a year, you know?
1652
01:27:51.200 --> 01:27:52.280
So your salary just dropped
1653
01:27:52.280 --> 01:27:54.080
10,000 because they had a
1654
01:27:54.080 --> 01:27:54.480
monopoly.
1655
01:27:55.580 --> 01:27:58.600
And so, um, you start to see it,
1656
01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:00.160
um, play out, right?
1657
01:28:00.200 --> 01:28:01.260
They, they, they go into this
1658
01:28:01.260 --> 01:28:02.780
industry and what any, any,
1659
01:28:03.040 --> 01:28:05.900
they basically, um, cannibalize
1660
01:28:05.900 --> 01:28:06.520
it, right?
1661
01:28:06.740 --> 01:28:08.080
Because profits become the
1662
01:28:08.080 --> 01:28:11.800
only, um, value.
1663
01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:13.760
And so, you know, treating
1664
01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:15.260
people, it was always nonprofits
1665
01:28:15.260 --> 01:28:16.880
and, you know, there was
1666
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:17.620
profit people.
1667
01:28:18.040 --> 01:28:18.380
Yeah.
1668
01:28:18.380 --> 01:28:18.700
Right.
1669
01:28:18.820 --> 01:28:20.780
And I like, like now rehabs,
1670
01:28:20.860 --> 01:28:22.700
I call it, um, warehousing
1671
01:28:22.700 --> 01:28:23.820
old people for money.
1672
01:28:24.300 --> 01:28:25.300
Like, I know, I know somebody
1673
01:28:25.300 --> 01:28:26.720
who just went in for a hip
1674
01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:28.120
replacement and they, they're
1675
01:28:28.120 --> 01:28:30.260
like so mad that, that they
1676
01:28:30.260 --> 01:28:31.280
went down to the rehab and they
1677
01:28:31.280 --> 01:28:32.660
were only doing arm exercises
1678
01:28:32.660 --> 01:28:34.280
that they pulled them out.
1679
01:28:35.200 --> 01:28:36.140
And, you know, I'm not saying
1680
01:28:36.140 --> 01:28:37.860
that it's like that everywhere,
1681
01:28:38.820 --> 01:28:41.060
but, um, here the rehab is
1682
01:28:41.060 --> 01:28:41.780
pretty poor.
1683
01:28:42.180 --> 01:28:43.700
And so like, it's just a
1684
01:28:43.700 --> 01:28:44.920
matter of how long, how long
1685
01:28:44.920 --> 01:28:45.840
will your insurance run out?
1686
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:46.540
That's how long we're going
1687
01:28:46.540 --> 01:28:46.840
to keep.
1688
01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:50.240
Well, so, you know, in, in
1689
01:28:50.240 --> 01:28:51.640
your, you probably know more
1690
01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:52.800
than I am while you, I'm
1691
01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:54.020
sure you do, you're in that
1692
01:28:54.020 --> 01:28:55.040
on the other side of that,
1693
01:28:56.300 --> 01:28:57.820
but medical industry in
1694
01:28:57.820 --> 01:28:59.180
general is ridiculous.
1695
01:28:59.180 --> 01:29:00.400
Insurance companies are
1696
01:29:00.400 --> 01:29:00.920
ridiculous.
1697
01:29:01.260 --> 01:29:02.120
Like we're given this false
1698
01:29:02.120 --> 01:29:04.060
sense of, of a choice and we
1699
01:29:04.060 --> 01:29:06.080
don't, and, and this is just
1700
01:29:06.080 --> 01:29:06.460
my opinion.
1701
01:29:06.500 --> 01:29:07.420
You can correct me because,
1702
01:29:07.620 --> 01:29:08.280
you know, you were in the
1703
01:29:08.280 --> 01:29:09.600
business, but the reality,
1704
01:29:09.600 --> 01:29:11.120
what I saw is I remember
1705
01:29:11.120 --> 01:29:13.000
before Obamacare was rolled
1706
01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:14.600
out that my insurance was
1707
01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:15.860
cheaper, that I had more
1708
01:29:15.860 --> 01:29:16.400
options.
1709
01:29:16.940 --> 01:29:17.840
And then once Obamacare
1710
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:19.720
came into play, all of a
1711
01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:20.780
sudden, no matter where you
1712
01:29:20.780 --> 01:29:21.640
went, there really wasn't a
1713
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:22.400
free market anymore.
1714
01:29:22.500 --> 01:29:24.360
It's like, okay, it worked
1715
01:29:24.360 --> 01:29:25.040
for the insurance companies
1716
01:29:25.040 --> 01:29:26.920
because now everybody had the
1717
01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:28.080
same price, no matter where
1718
01:29:28.080 --> 01:29:28.480
you went.
1719
01:29:29.200 --> 01:29:31.360
There was levels, but it was
1720
01:29:31.360 --> 01:29:32.500
the same price, no matter
1721
01:29:32.500 --> 01:29:33.100
where you went.
1722
01:29:33.780 --> 01:29:34.920
I remember that like all
1723
01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:35.980
of a sudden it's like, and
1724
01:29:35.980 --> 01:29:37.060
I'm not just saying that
1725
01:29:37.060 --> 01:29:37.760
your insurance goes up with
1726
01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:38.880
age, which is another stupid
1727
01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:39.060
thing.
1728
01:29:39.060 --> 01:29:40.920
Cause I, I know people who
1729
01:29:41.380 --> 01:29:42.620
are, I mean, I have one
1730
01:29:42.620 --> 01:29:43.500
of my friends, I don't even
1731
01:29:43.500 --> 01:29:44.220
know, he lies about his
1732
01:29:44.220 --> 01:29:44.380
age.
1733
01:29:44.480 --> 01:29:45.580
He may be closer to like
1734
01:29:45.580 --> 01:29:46.760
late nineties, like
1735
01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:47.840
getting his nineties, late
1736
01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:48.960
eighties, and the guy is
1737
01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:49.600
healthy as a horse.
1738
01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:50.620
I swear to you, I don't
1739
01:29:50.620 --> 01:29:50.740
know.
1740
01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:51.420
And you can't keep up.
1741
01:29:51.440 --> 01:29:52.220
The guy will go to night
1742
01:29:52.220 --> 01:29:52.400
clubs.
1743
01:29:52.500 --> 01:29:52.800
You name it.
1744
01:29:52.820 --> 01:29:53.500
He's, he's crazy.
1745
01:29:53.780 --> 01:29:55.840
It's just how he lives hardly
1746
01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:56.540
ever has to go to a
1747
01:29:57.320 --> 01:29:59.080
You know, but yet his, because
1748
01:29:59.080 --> 01:30:00.040
of his age, he's going to be
1749
01:30:00.740 --> 01:30:01.900
penalized just because of
1750
01:30:01.900 --> 01:30:02.300
that number.
1751
01:30:03.020 --> 01:30:03.540
Right.
1752
01:30:03.540 --> 01:30:05.240
So it's, it's just crazy.
1753
01:30:05.300 --> 01:30:07.480
How, how they find ways
1754
01:30:07.480 --> 01:30:09.780
they, you know, corporations,
1755
01:30:10.040 --> 01:30:11.020
whoever the powers that be
1756
01:30:11.020 --> 01:30:12.740
to, to take control.
1757
01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:14.140
Like you said, infiltrate
1758
01:30:14.140 --> 01:30:16.300
and, and subjugate us to
1759
01:30:16.300 --> 01:30:18.540
nothing more than being
1760
01:30:18.540 --> 01:30:20.100
meat sticks to feed the
1761
01:30:20.100 --> 01:30:21.660
machine and to line their
1762
01:30:21.660 --> 01:30:22.140
pockets.
1763
01:30:22.700 --> 01:30:23.460
You know,
1764
01:30:23.940 --> 01:30:24.000
Yeah.
1765
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:24.700
Isn't that crazy?
1766
01:30:25.140 --> 01:30:26.200
Yeah, no, it is.
1767
01:30:26.200 --> 01:30:28.000
And, and, and seeing it
1768
01:30:28.860 --> 01:30:30.320
just transform healthcare.
1769
01:30:30.620 --> 01:30:31.540
I mean, you know, like
1770
01:30:31.540 --> 01:30:33.200
they, um, I have a, I have a
1771
01:30:33.200 --> 01:30:34.120
friend who's a nurse, she
1772
01:30:34.120 --> 01:30:34.900
was an emergency room
1773
01:30:34.900 --> 01:30:35.740
nurse, but she says
1774
01:30:35.740 --> 01:30:37.000
Florence Nightingale has
1775
01:30:37.000 --> 01:30:37.940
left the building.
1776
01:30:39.580 --> 01:30:42.380
It's tragic, but, um, she,
1777
01:30:42.460 --> 01:30:45.020
she was chronicling me for
1778
01:30:45.020 --> 01:30:46.560
me one day, how, you
1779
01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:47.540
know, basically they rooted
1780
01:30:47.540 --> 01:30:48.700
out all the old school
1781
01:30:48.700 --> 01:30:49.920
nurses, you know, the
1782
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.280
ones that had integrity and
1783
01:30:51.280 --> 01:30:52.220
were like, we're not doing
1784
01:30:52.220 --> 01:30:54.280
that, you know, I mean, oh,
1785
01:30:54.280 --> 01:30:55.980
so we can lower the number
1786
01:30:55.980 --> 01:30:57.580
of people on a floor so
1787
01:30:57.580 --> 01:30:58.680
that people, I mean, like
1788
01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:00.020
right now, like down here,
1789
01:31:00.020 --> 01:31:01.200
they'll keep a person in
1790
01:31:01.200 --> 01:31:02.640
cath, they'll keep a cath
1791
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:03.620
in because they don't have
1792
01:31:03.620 --> 01:31:05.800
the staff to toilet people.
1793
01:31:06.040 --> 01:31:06.800
So, and they don't even
1794
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:07.840
have chairs in the room.
1795
01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:08.920
So you're not getting up.
1796
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:10.920
So if you're like 85 and
1797
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:12.120
you get put in a bed for
1798
01:31:12.120 --> 01:31:13.060
six weeks, you're getting
1799
01:31:13.060 --> 01:31:13.420
worse.
1800
01:31:13.480 --> 01:31:14.420
I don't care what therapy
1801
01:31:14.420 --> 01:31:15.280
you do with you.
1802
01:31:15.380 --> 01:31:15.820
Yeah.
1803
01:31:15.820 --> 01:31:16.560
If you're in a bed all
1804
01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:17.700
day, you're getting worse.
1805
01:31:17.740 --> 01:31:19.060
And so, so like the
1806
01:31:19.060 --> 01:31:21.440
whole idea of actual care
1807
01:31:21.440 --> 01:31:22.600
has been turned upside
1808
01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:24.160
down, you know, it's, it's,
1809
01:31:24.160 --> 01:31:25.200
it's heartbreaking really.
1810
01:31:25.980 --> 01:31:26.820
Yeah. Well, you're just a
1811
01:31:26.820 --> 01:31:28.280
number, you know, when
1812
01:31:28.280 --> 01:31:29.600
doctors are given bonuses,
1813
01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:31.640
you know, based on how
1814
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:32.920
many patients they can,
1815
01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:34.940
they can, you know, serve.
1816
01:31:36.900 --> 01:31:37.800
It doesn't that say
1817
01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:39.200
something like, like when
1818
01:31:39.200 --> 01:31:39.820
the company they work for
1819
01:31:39.820 --> 01:31:40.620
is able to give you a
1820
01:31:40.620 --> 01:31:41.480
bonus based on how many
1821
01:31:41.480 --> 01:31:42.300
it's like, you're being a
1822
01:31:42.300 --> 01:31:43.480
salesman at some point at
1823
01:31:43.480 --> 01:31:44.760
one point, right?
1824
01:31:45.060 --> 01:31:47.060
It is about caring.
1825
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:48.420
And, and, and look,
1826
01:31:49.140 --> 01:31:50.140
I know there are doctors
1827
01:31:50.140 --> 01:31:50.600
who do care.
1828
01:31:50.700 --> 01:31:51.880
I know, I know doctors,
1829
01:31:52.020 --> 01:31:52.940
I personally have as friends
1830
01:31:52.940 --> 01:31:54.400
that absolutely care, but
1831
01:31:54.400 --> 01:31:55.960
they also, I mean, the
1832
01:31:55.960 --> 01:31:57.220
need to pay their bills.
1833
01:31:57.360 --> 01:31:58.000
It's, it's like they're
1834
01:31:58.000 --> 01:31:59.080
caught in the middle, you
1835
01:31:59.080 --> 01:32:00.240
know, it's, it's unfortunate
1836
01:32:00.240 --> 01:32:01.500
that the, the medical
1837
01:32:01.500 --> 01:32:02.680
industry became what it is.
1838
01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:05.460
Um, when, when did you,
1839
01:32:05.460 --> 01:32:06.620
when exactly do you
1840
01:32:06.620 --> 01:32:07.420
think that happened?
1841
01:32:08.300 --> 01:32:10.120
Well, I can say, I saw it
1842
01:32:10.120 --> 01:32:11.180
happening, like it was an
1843
01:32:11.180 --> 01:32:12.220
ideal environment when I
1844
01:32:12.220 --> 01:32:12.960
first came out.
1845
01:32:13.460 --> 01:32:14.340
You think the nineties is
1846
01:32:14.340 --> 01:32:15.240
when it's, when it, I
1847
01:32:15.240 --> 01:32:15.860
think, I think the late
1848
01:32:15.860 --> 01:32:17.320
nineties is when they
1849
01:32:17.320 --> 01:32:18.340
started buying things up.
1850
01:32:18.480 --> 01:32:19.180
Cause I was crazy.
1851
01:32:19.380 --> 01:32:19.960
Also the time of the
1852
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:20.900
opioid epidemic.
1853
01:32:21.480 --> 01:32:21.680
Yeah.
1854
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:23.320
And I was, I was there.
1855
01:32:23.400 --> 01:32:24.180
I was on the ground when
1856
01:32:24.180 --> 01:32:24.920
that was happening.
1857
01:32:24.920 --> 01:32:25.660
And then basically the
1858
01:32:25.660 --> 01:32:26.580
nurses were coming in and
1859
01:32:26.580 --> 01:32:28.320
it was a, you know, an
1860
01:32:28.320 --> 01:32:29.080
order from above.
1861
01:32:29.240 --> 01:32:30.140
It's like, nobody should
1862
01:32:30.140 --> 01:32:30.760
be in pain.
1863
01:32:31.140 --> 01:32:32.120
Everybody needs to be
1864
01:32:32.120 --> 01:32:33.560
asked, uh, what's your
1865
01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:34.260
pain number?
1866
01:32:34.500 --> 01:32:35.400
And if it's over five,
1867
01:32:35.500 --> 01:32:36.140
we have to call the
1868
01:32:36.140 --> 01:32:36.580
doctor.
1869
01:32:36.620 --> 01:32:37.440
This is coming out of
1870
01:32:37.440 --> 01:32:37.860
Medicare.
1871
01:32:37.860 --> 01:32:39.520
I mean, and it's hard
1872
01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:40.340
to deny that that
1873
01:32:40.340 --> 01:32:41.060
might not be tied,
1874
01:32:41.060 --> 01:32:41.500
right?
1875
01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:43.240
Those two things, you
1876
01:32:43.240 --> 01:32:44.260
know, the change in the
1877
01:32:44.260 --> 01:32:45.760
change in how medic, uh,
1878
01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:46.380
the medical industry was
1879
01:32:46.380 --> 01:32:47.780
approaching patients,
1880
01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:49.380
patient care, and, and
1881
01:32:49.380 --> 01:32:50.200
let's be honest, money
1882
01:32:50.200 --> 01:32:51.140
and profit for sure.
1883
01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:53.620
And also the control by
1884
01:32:53.620 --> 01:32:55.520
big pharma with the
1885
01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:56.500
control out of opioids.
1886
01:32:56.860 --> 01:32:57.860
And it's crazy because I
1887
01:32:57.860 --> 01:33:00.780
talked to, um, ex DEA
1888
01:33:00.780 --> 01:33:01.780
agent where he brought
1889
01:33:01.780 --> 01:33:02.760
that up and we're talking
1890
01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:04.640
about, uh, drug trafficking
1891
01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:06.200
and drug trade and how
1892
01:33:06.200 --> 01:33:07.260
a lot of that was
1893
01:33:07.260 --> 01:33:08.100
influenced and manipulated
1894
01:33:08.100 --> 01:33:09.640
by the actual opioid
1895
01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:10.920
epidemic, which led to
1896
01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:12.080
people to search out more
1897
01:33:12.080 --> 01:33:13.920
drugs and more, you
1898
01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:15.060
know, get a different
1899
01:33:15.060 --> 01:33:15.940
high, et cetera.
1900
01:33:16.280 --> 01:33:17.440
And, and, uh, through
1901
01:33:17.440 --> 01:33:18.780
his work and in the
1902
01:33:18.780 --> 01:33:19.680
F, uh, I'm sorry, the
1903
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:21.660
DEA, um, he, he
1904
01:33:21.660 --> 01:33:23.360
actually was able to
1905
01:33:23.360 --> 01:33:25.280
go in, in, um, be
1906
01:33:25.280 --> 01:33:26.400
motivated to research
1907
01:33:26.400 --> 01:33:28.340
and, and go deep back
1908
01:33:28.340 --> 01:33:30.580
into the cases and, and
1909
01:33:30.580 --> 01:33:31.360
everything that, that
1910
01:33:31.360 --> 01:33:32.220
where it started and trace
1911
01:33:32.220 --> 01:33:33.760
it back down to the
1912
01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:34.960
opioid epidemic.
1913
01:33:37.100 --> 01:33:38.420
So crazy how those two
1914
01:33:38.420 --> 01:33:39.480
things are, well, three
1915
01:33:39.480 --> 01:33:40.200
things are tied now
1916
01:33:40.200 --> 01:33:41.160
that I'm talking about.
1917
01:33:41.200 --> 01:33:41.560
Right, right.
1918
01:33:42.480 --> 01:33:43.000
Yeah.
1919
01:33:43.780 --> 01:33:44.940
I'll start with Purdue.
1920
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:45.660
Yeah.
1921
01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:46.620
So, I mean, so like,
1922
01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:48.880
you know, as soon as
1923
01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:50.320
the corporations really
1924
01:33:50.320 --> 01:33:52.380
like infiltrate a
1925
01:33:52.380 --> 01:33:54.380
sector or an, um, you
1926
01:33:54.380 --> 01:33:55.640
know, not only just an
1927
01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:56.420
industry, but an
1928
01:33:56.420 --> 01:33:57.500
institution, right?
1929
01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:59.040
Like the institution of,
1930
01:33:59.320 --> 01:33:59.860
and then they become
1931
01:33:59.860 --> 01:34:00.400
the institution.
1932
01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:00.920
Yeah.
1933
01:34:01.140 --> 01:34:01.580
Academia.
1934
01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:02.640
And then it, then it
1935
01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:03.580
all gets turned up
1936
01:34:03.580 --> 01:34:04.180
upside down.
1937
01:34:04.300 --> 01:34:05.000
It's not about learning.
1938
01:34:05.140 --> 01:34:05.900
It's about profits.
1939
01:34:06.200 --> 01:34:06.640
Right.
1940
01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:07.380
Um, and it's about
1941
01:34:07.380 --> 01:34:08.440
patents and it's about,
1942
01:34:08.700 --> 01:34:09.560
you know, taking over
1943
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:10.720
the research and, and
1944
01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:11.520
then, you know, medicine
1945
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:12.540
becomes about, you
1946
01:34:12.540 --> 01:34:13.580
know, just marketing
1947
01:34:14.280 --> 01:34:15.460
sickness, you know, in
1948
01:34:15.460 --> 01:34:16.920
a way and, and, and
1949
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:17.560
transferring, you know,
1950
01:34:17.620 --> 01:34:18.960
just turning people over
1951
01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:20.380
fast to make money.
1952
01:34:20.540 --> 01:34:23.120
And, um, it's just, um,
1953
01:34:23.120 --> 01:34:23.880
yeah, it's not good.
1954
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:25.200
And people, I mean,
1955
01:34:25.280 --> 01:34:25.800
you know, the thing is
1956
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:26.620
you to get so sucked
1957
01:34:26.620 --> 01:34:27.760
your, your, your
1958
01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:29.180
livelihood is tied to it.
1959
01:34:29.620 --> 01:34:31.120
And how, how, um,
1960
01:34:31.120 --> 01:34:32.340
your opinion though,
1961
01:34:32.660 --> 01:34:33.840
you know, is, is
1962
01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:35.300
academia broken?
1963
01:34:36.460 --> 01:34:37.580
Can it be fixed at
1964
01:34:37.580 --> 01:34:38.080
this point?
1965
01:34:39.200 --> 01:34:39.860
I don't know.
1966
01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:40.520
I mean, you know,
1967
01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:41.180
they're putting it on
1968
01:34:41.180 --> 01:34:42.180
and every place that
1969
01:34:42.180 --> 01:34:43.100
they go, they, they
1970
01:34:43.100 --> 01:34:44.280
put, you know, instead
1971
01:34:44.280 --> 01:34:45.520
of the old time
1972
01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:46.240
academic, you know,
1973
01:34:46.240 --> 01:34:47.200
like the, the
1974
01:34:47.200 --> 01:34:48.000
professor or whatever
1975
01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:48.980
makes it up, it's a
1976
01:34:48.980 --> 01:34:50.100
CEO, you know, it's a
1977
01:34:50.100 --> 01:34:51.120
CEO that's controlling
1978
01:34:51.120 --> 01:34:51.680
it from the top.
1979
01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:53.580
I know that like ASU
1980
01:34:53.580 --> 01:34:57.340
is really like just a
1981
01:34:57.340 --> 01:34:57.460
pub.
1982
01:34:57.640 --> 01:34:58.300
It's just public
1983
01:34:58.300 --> 01:34:59.200
private partnerships
1984
01:34:59.200 --> 01:34:59.880
the whole way.
1985
01:34:59.980 --> 01:35:00.440
I mean, they got
1986
01:35:00.440 --> 01:35:02.020
McDonald's and you know,
1987
01:35:02.480 --> 01:35:03.660
all the chains on
1988
01:35:03.660 --> 01:35:04.940
the campus now and,
1989
01:35:05.500 --> 01:35:05.860
and, you know,
1990
01:35:06.820 --> 01:35:07.380
crazy suites for
1991
01:35:07.380 --> 01:35:07.860
businesses.
1992
01:35:08.100 --> 01:35:09.480
And I mean, it's
1993
01:35:09.480 --> 01:35:10.420
really becoming a
1994
01:35:10.420 --> 01:35:11.780
jobs works program,
1995
01:35:12.540 --> 01:35:14.040
a research pipeline.
1996
01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:15.620
Um, yeah.
1997
01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:16.700
So, and then of
1998
01:35:16.700 --> 01:35:18.140
course, you know,
1999
01:35:18.360 --> 01:35:19.320
humanities and everything,
2000
01:35:19.480 --> 01:35:20.140
you know, abroad
2001
01:35:20.140 --> 01:35:21.400
education was kind of
2002
01:35:21.400 --> 01:35:23.020
being shoved overboard
2003
01:35:23.020 --> 01:35:24.000
really in the eighties.
2004
01:35:24.120 --> 01:35:24.680
I know when I went
2005
01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:26.860
through, um, it was,
2006
01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:28.400
um, you know, you,
2007
01:35:28.540 --> 01:35:29.160
you had to take your
2008
01:35:29.160 --> 01:35:30.060
like some gen ed,
2009
01:35:30.060 --> 01:35:31.220
but it certainly wasn't,
2010
01:35:31.220 --> 01:35:33.140
um, you know, it was
2011
01:35:33.140 --> 01:35:34.700
more like practical
2012
01:35:34.700 --> 01:35:36.380
based education, you
2013
01:35:36.380 --> 01:35:37.580
know, which makes
2014
01:35:37.580 --> 01:35:38.260
more sense to me
2015
01:35:38.260 --> 01:35:38.860
because then you can
2016
01:35:38.860 --> 01:35:40.300
focus on, you know,
2017
01:35:40.320 --> 01:35:41.300
the discipline that
2018
01:35:41.300 --> 01:35:42.020
you're going to school
2019
01:35:42.020 --> 01:35:42.340
for.
2020
01:35:42.820 --> 01:35:42.880
Right.
2021
01:35:43.140 --> 01:35:43.560
Right.
2022
01:35:44.240 --> 01:35:45.420
So yeah, no, all
2023
01:35:45.420 --> 01:35:46.080
of these things have
2024
01:35:46.080 --> 01:35:47.560
been infiltrated.
2025
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:48.820
I think if you
2026
01:35:48.820 --> 01:35:50.140
want to, you know,
2027
01:35:50.320 --> 01:35:51.000
express it in that
2028
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:51.320
way.
2029
01:35:51.580 --> 01:35:52.400
And so, I mean, they're
2030
01:35:52.400 --> 01:35:53.300
all being distorted,
2031
01:35:53.300 --> 01:35:54.220
you know, so it's, so
2032
01:35:54.220 --> 01:35:55.400
the real, the real,
2033
01:35:56.020 --> 01:35:57.640
uh, purpose is
2034
01:35:57.640 --> 01:35:58.960
completely distorted.
2035
01:35:59.220 --> 01:36:00.280
And so you have
2036
01:36:00.280 --> 01:36:01.260
that across, like you
2037
01:36:01.260 --> 01:36:02.280
said, universities,
2038
01:36:02.480 --> 01:36:03.300
the medical system,
2039
01:36:03.340 --> 01:36:04.220
you know, just business
2040
01:36:04.220 --> 01:36:04.820
in general.
2041
01:36:05.020 --> 01:36:05.340
Right.
2042
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:07.740
Um, and, and so
2043
01:36:07.740 --> 01:36:10.360
like it's not, it's
2044
01:36:10.360 --> 01:36:11.240
not human.
2045
01:36:11.400 --> 01:36:12.440
It's an anti kind of
2046
01:36:12.440 --> 01:36:15.240
human, um, which to
2047
01:36:15.240 --> 01:36:17.620
sub sub subdue every
2048
01:36:17.620 --> 01:36:19.220
value to a profit
2049
01:36:19.220 --> 01:36:19.620
value.
2050
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:21.180
Right.
2051
01:36:21.180 --> 01:36:24.080
So let's, let's
2052
01:36:24.080 --> 01:36:25.380
start wrapping up,
2053
01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:26.220
not because I don't
2054
01:36:26.220 --> 01:36:26.860
enjoy the conversations,
2055
01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:27.540
just, you know, I
2056
01:36:27.540 --> 01:36:28.040
don't want to keep you
2057
01:36:28.040 --> 01:36:28.360
too long.
2058
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:29.780
And, you know, we
2059
01:36:29.780 --> 01:36:30.540
got, we got it.
2060
01:36:30.540 --> 01:36:31.200
We got to move on,
2061
01:36:31.340 --> 01:36:33.140
but I had like this
2062
01:36:33.140 --> 01:36:33.740
conversation.
2063
01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:35.340
Um, you're extremely
2064
01:36:35.340 --> 01:36:35.660
intelligent.
2065
01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:36.700
You obviously are well
2066
01:36:36.700 --> 01:36:37.920
researched, you know,
2067
01:36:37.940 --> 01:36:39.080
and I feel like an
2068
01:36:39.080 --> 01:36:39.820
idiot talking to you.
2069
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:42.600
The reality is, um,
2070
01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:43.820
I think, I think people
2071
01:36:43.820 --> 01:36:45.060
will benefit from, from
2072
01:36:45.060 --> 01:36:45.580
reading this book.
2073
01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:46.360
I actually want to
2074
01:36:46.360 --> 01:36:46.860
read it myself.
2075
01:36:47.300 --> 01:36:48.000
So here's the deal.
2076
01:36:48.040 --> 01:36:48.640
Can you please tell
2077
01:36:48.640 --> 01:36:49.300
people where they can
2078
01:36:49.300 --> 01:36:50.000
find your work?
2079
01:36:50.340 --> 01:36:50.740
Okay.
2080
01:36:50.740 --> 01:36:51.980
Well, um, you can find
2081
01:36:51.980 --> 01:36:53.140
it at smart sheep
2082
01:36:53.140 --> 01:36:54.620
with an E dot com.
2083
01:36:55.140 --> 01:36:56.080
And then of course it's
2084
01:36:56.080 --> 01:36:58.780
on Amazon and there is
2085
01:36:58.780 --> 01:37:00.340
a study guide to go
2086
01:37:00.340 --> 01:37:00.760
with it.
2087
01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:02.620
So if you are so
2088
01:37:02.620 --> 01:37:03.580
inclined, you know,
2089
01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:04.560
get a group together or
2090
01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:05.580
like at least do
2091
01:37:05.580 --> 01:37:06.280
something with you,
2092
01:37:06.320 --> 01:37:08.280
let's say grandkids or
2093
01:37:08.280 --> 01:37:09.040
your kids.
2094
01:37:09.160 --> 01:37:09.700
I mean, they have to
2095
01:37:09.700 --> 01:37:10.600
be a certain age,
2096
01:37:10.740 --> 01:37:12.140
but it's a great
2097
01:37:12.140 --> 01:37:12.980
way to start bringing
2098
01:37:12.980 --> 01:37:14.180
up these, these topics
2099
01:37:14.180 --> 01:37:15.220
and talking about them.
2100
01:37:15.860 --> 01:37:16.040
Right.
2101
01:37:16.120 --> 01:37:17.920
And, um, so, and
2102
01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:18.600
then the next book
2103
01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:20.320
is in the works.
2104
01:37:20.320 --> 01:37:21.660
I'm getting a copy
2105
01:37:21.660 --> 01:37:22.380
at it now.
2106
01:37:22.700 --> 01:37:23.900
Um, I've got tons
2107
01:37:23.900 --> 01:37:25.720
of really good diagrams.
2108
01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:26.440
I'll send you a
2109
01:37:26.440 --> 01:37:26.980
couple of these.
2110
01:37:27.040 --> 01:37:27.440
Okay.
2111
01:37:27.940 --> 01:37:28.420
They're, they're,
2112
01:37:28.480 --> 01:37:28.960
they're fantastic.
2113
01:37:28.980 --> 01:37:30.520
And a great guy, um,
2114
01:37:31.120 --> 01:37:32.020
do the, do the
2115
01:37:32.020 --> 01:37:33.500
graphics and they're
2116
01:37:33.500 --> 01:37:34.940
eye catching and
2117
01:37:34.940 --> 01:37:35.580
you know, trying to
2118
01:37:35.580 --> 01:37:36.200
get some momentum
2119
01:37:36.200 --> 01:37:37.160
with social media
2120
01:37:37.160 --> 01:37:38.620
before I release it.
2121
01:37:38.700 --> 01:37:40.200
But, um, it's fine
2122
01:37:40.200 --> 01:37:40.840
being fine tuned
2123
01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:41.420
right now.
2124
01:37:41.420 --> 01:37:42.540
So it shouldn't be,
2125
01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:43.320
and I would say six
2126
01:37:43.320 --> 01:37:44.220
weeks, maybe two
2127
01:37:44.220 --> 01:37:45.200
months, the most,
2128
01:37:45.420 --> 01:37:45.680
I think.
2129
01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:47.320
And so that'll be
2130
01:37:47.320 --> 01:37:47.980
available and those,
2131
01:37:48.140 --> 01:37:49.340
both those places as well.
2132
01:37:49.420 --> 01:37:49.620
All right.
2133
01:37:49.620 --> 01:37:51.300
So let's one, one more,
2134
01:37:51.540 --> 01:37:52.480
uh, one more question.
2135
01:37:52.660 --> 01:37:53.540
It kind of goes back
2136
01:37:53.540 --> 01:37:54.360
to the, what I asked
2137
01:37:54.360 --> 01:37:55.160
earlier, very similar,
2138
01:37:55.300 --> 01:37:55.740
maybe in the same
2139
01:37:55.740 --> 01:37:56.040
question.
2140
01:37:56.180 --> 01:37:57.100
I don't know.
2141
01:37:57.760 --> 01:37:58.900
Um, can we change
2142
01:37:59.480 --> 01:37:59.860
everything?
2143
01:38:02.900 --> 01:38:03.760
You're like, look,
2144
01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:04.880
I mean, I'm not at,
2145
01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:06.440
you know, it's like, um,
2146
01:38:06.440 --> 01:38:07.060
I'm, you know,
2147
01:38:07.060 --> 01:38:07.960
I gave you that motto
2148
01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:09.040
that real hope begins
2149
01:38:09.040 --> 01:38:10.520
when, when illusions
2150
01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:11.060
end.
2151
01:38:11.240 --> 01:38:11.620
Yes.
2152
01:38:11.700 --> 01:38:12.820
Um, but I'm, I,
2153
01:38:12.820 --> 01:38:13.880
I really like the
2154
01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:15.160
ending of Lord of
2155
01:38:15.160 --> 01:38:15.700
the Rings.
2156
01:38:16.440 --> 01:38:17.360
Did you, um, everyone's
2157
01:38:17.360 --> 01:38:17.880
read that, right?
2158
01:38:17.900 --> 01:38:18.440
You've read that.
2159
01:38:18.440 --> 01:38:18.900
Yeah, I mean,
2160
01:38:18.900 --> 01:38:19.940
that's popular.
2161
01:38:20.380 --> 01:38:20.920
So the, so the
2162
01:38:20.920 --> 01:38:21.820
ending of the Lord of the
2163
01:38:21.820 --> 01:38:22.880
Rings is, you know,
2164
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:24.120
like, like we're really
2165
01:38:24.120 --> 01:38:25.420
staring down Mordor,
2166
01:38:25.620 --> 01:38:25.820
right?
2167
01:38:25.860 --> 01:38:26.220
Yeah.
2168
01:38:26.580 --> 01:38:27.700
I mean, it's things,
2169
01:38:27.860 --> 01:38:28.440
things are getting
2170
01:38:28.440 --> 01:38:29.220
broken down.
2171
01:38:29.260 --> 01:38:29.820
Like we just talked
2172
01:38:29.820 --> 01:38:30.500
about, it's all looks
2173
01:38:30.500 --> 01:38:30.880
black.
2174
01:38:31.020 --> 01:38:31.520
It looks dark.
2175
01:38:31.620 --> 01:38:32.680
It's like anti-human
2176
01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:35.020
and the, the, the, the
2177
01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:36.840
truth seekers and those
2178
01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:37.560
that kind of have their
2179
01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:38.540
eyes open, they're
2180
01:38:38.540 --> 01:38:39.460
small in number.
2181
01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:41.200
And you know, they, they
2182
01:38:41.200 --> 01:38:42.760
start off in, in a
2183
01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:44.040
direction, they fail.
2184
01:38:44.460 --> 01:38:45.800
Um, they realize that,
2185
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:47.420
that, you know, they, they,
2186
01:38:47.420 --> 01:38:48.220
they are not going to be
2187
01:38:48.220 --> 01:38:49.230
able to do what they
2188
01:38:50.120 --> 01:38:50.720
originally thought.
2189
01:38:50.980 --> 01:38:52.700
And they send the humble
2190
01:38:52.700 --> 01:38:54.080
hobbits around back,
2191
01:38:54.080 --> 01:38:54.700
right?
2192
01:38:55.260 --> 01:38:56.180
Um, to see if they can
2193
01:38:56.180 --> 01:38:57.500
sneak up and then they
2194
01:38:57.500 --> 01:38:58.880
basically throw themselves
2195
01:38:58.880 --> 01:38:59.800
at the front gate.
2196
01:39:00.160 --> 01:39:00.620
Yeah.
2197
01:39:00.620 --> 01:39:01.940
Um, in almost virtual
2198
01:39:01.940 --> 01:39:02.780
suicide, they don't even
2199
01:39:02.780 --> 01:39:03.860
know at that point, if
2200
01:39:03.860 --> 01:39:04.700
the hobbits are still
2201
01:39:04.700 --> 01:39:07.800
alive and, um, as a
2202
01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:09.240
misdirection and, and
2203
01:39:09.240 --> 01:39:10.840
somehow, you know, I
2204
01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:12.600
think God, I think God,
2205
01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:13.720
I believe I'm a believer
2206
01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:14.500
in God, I'm a Christian.
2207
01:39:14.500 --> 01:39:15.860
And you know, I think in
2208
01:39:15.860 --> 01:39:17.460
some ways we have to do
2209
01:39:17.460 --> 01:39:19.260
our part, you know, we
2210
01:39:19.260 --> 01:39:20.420
have to do whatever small
2211
01:39:20.420 --> 01:39:21.460
part that is.
2212
01:39:21.940 --> 01:39:22.760
And, and all those
2213
01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:24.100
things together, I think
2214
01:39:24.100 --> 01:39:26.260
I do have hope in, in,
2215
01:39:26.820 --> 01:39:27.460
in, you know, how things
2216
01:39:27.460 --> 01:39:28.940
will turn out, but is
2217
01:39:28.940 --> 01:39:29.540
it going to be hard?
2218
01:39:29.540 --> 01:39:30.260
Hell yeah.
2219
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:31.380
You know what I mean?
2220
01:39:31.420 --> 01:39:32.060
Are people going to die?
2221
01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:32.920
Yes.
2222
01:39:33.280 --> 01:39:33.920
Are people going to suffer?
2223
01:39:34.280 --> 01:39:34.680
Yes.
2224
01:39:35.080 --> 01:39:36.420
I mean, you know, strap
2225
01:39:36.420 --> 01:39:37.160
up, right?
2226
01:39:37.280 --> 01:39:38.540
Because it's not going
2227
01:39:38.540 --> 01:39:39.220
to be easy.
2228
01:39:39.320 --> 01:39:40.080
It's not meant to be easy.
2229
01:39:40.120 --> 01:39:40.860
You don't get to retain
2230
01:39:40.860 --> 01:39:43.360
freedom, um, you know,
2231
01:39:43.460 --> 01:39:44.820
without, without hardships.
2232
01:39:44.820 --> 01:39:46.620
And so, um, but I like
2233
01:39:46.620 --> 01:39:47.680
that ending because it's
2234
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:48.880
like, you just do what
2235
01:39:48.880 --> 01:39:49.620
you feel like you're
2236
01:39:49.620 --> 01:39:50.640
supposed to do, you know,
2237
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:52.080
be obedient to what
2238
01:39:52.080 --> 01:39:53.440
that voice is telling you.
2239
01:39:53.480 --> 01:39:54.420
And I think when everybody
2240
01:39:54.420 --> 01:39:55.800
starts doing that, we
2241
01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:56.460
don't have to worry about
2242
01:39:56.460 --> 01:39:58.000
like success is a modern
2243
01:39:58.380 --> 01:39:59.340
affliction of the modern
2244
01:39:59.340 --> 01:40:00.460
mind, right?
2245
01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:02.480
In terms of, um, I
2246
01:40:02.480 --> 01:40:03.580
can only do something that
2247
01:40:03.580 --> 01:40:04.220
I think it's going to be
2248
01:40:04.220 --> 01:40:04.540
successful.
2249
01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:05.780
Like, like, I don't
2250
01:40:05.780 --> 01:40:06.720
think that, like, am I
2251
01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:07.580
going to change the world
2252
01:40:07.580 --> 01:40:08.880
writing a book, but I feel
2253
01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:09.760
compelled to write the
2254
01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:09.980
book.
2255
01:40:10.700 --> 01:40:11.340
So darn it all.
2256
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:12.080
I got to write the
2257
01:40:12.080 --> 01:40:13.240
book, right?
2258
01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:15.080
So I got one more, one
2259
01:40:15.080 --> 01:40:15.180
more.
2260
01:40:15.260 --> 01:40:16.600
I thought that was going to be
2261
01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:17.740
do you see parallels
2262
01:40:19.320 --> 01:40:20.880
between, um, the fall of
2263
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:21.920
the Roman Empire and the
2264
01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:22.620
United States of America
2265
01:40:22.620 --> 01:40:24.120
at this point, or, you
2266
01:40:24.120 --> 01:40:25.760
know what I am, I have
2267
01:40:25.760 --> 01:40:27.100
to say that I not that
2268
01:40:27.100 --> 01:40:28.460
well studied up on it,
2269
01:40:28.460 --> 01:40:28.940
you know?
2270
01:40:29.380 --> 01:40:30.760
Um, so I'm probably not
2271
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:31.440
the person to answer
2272
01:40:31.440 --> 01:40:31.780
that.
2273
01:40:32.360 --> 01:40:34.760
Um, yeah, I just
2274
01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:35.440
want to say where I
2275
01:40:35.440 --> 01:40:36.140
don't, you know,
2276
01:40:36.140 --> 01:40:36.800
that's fair.
2277
01:40:37.100 --> 01:40:37.240
Yeah.
2278
01:40:38.020 --> 01:40:38.780
You know, at least
2279
01:40:38.780 --> 01:40:39.720
you're honest upfront.
2280
01:40:39.900 --> 01:40:40.820
Many people will try to
2281
01:40:40.820 --> 01:40:41.780
talk their way through.
2282
01:40:42.140 --> 01:40:42.520
Yeah.
2283
01:40:42.780 --> 01:40:43.220
Yeah.
2284
01:40:43.260 --> 01:40:44.480
No, that's, that's, that's
2285
01:40:44.480 --> 01:40:44.680
fine.
2286
01:40:44.860 --> 01:40:46.260
I just, I said, because,
2287
01:40:46.260 --> 01:40:47.720
you know, a lot of people
2288
01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:49.180
have a profess to see
2289
01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:50.020
parallels.
2290
01:40:50.740 --> 01:40:51.400
I, I kind of see
2291
01:40:51.400 --> 01:40:52.160
parallels, especially when
2292
01:40:52.160 --> 01:40:52.820
we're looking at society
2293
01:40:52.820 --> 01:40:53.820
and what's acceptable.
2294
01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:55.720
I won't go too deep into
2295
01:40:55.720 --> 01:40:57.920
it, but there seems to
2296
01:40:57.920 --> 01:40:59.620
be parallels, right?
2297
01:40:59.960 --> 01:41:01.140
And every civilization
2298
01:41:01.140 --> 01:41:02.100
eventually, you know,
2299
01:41:02.200 --> 01:41:03.060
that, well, that
2300
01:41:03.060 --> 01:41:04.340
whichever civilizations on
2301
01:41:04.340 --> 01:41:05.480
top of leads eventually
2302
01:41:05.480 --> 01:41:06.740
ends, you know, like
2303
01:41:06.740 --> 01:41:08.080
we can talk about
2304
01:41:08.080 --> 01:41:08.820
Genghis Khan.
2305
01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:10.000
We can talk about even
2306
01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:12.080
feudal Japan a lot and
2307
01:41:12.080 --> 01:41:12.940
conquered a lot of area,
2308
01:41:13.080 --> 01:41:13.940
even over China back
2309
01:41:13.940 --> 01:41:14.180
then.
2310
01:41:14.740 --> 01:41:16.240
Um, you know, we, we
2311
01:41:16.240 --> 01:41:17.320
empire, I was a man of
2312
01:41:17.320 --> 01:41:18.380
the great, the Greeks,
2313
01:41:18.640 --> 01:41:18.860
et cetera.
2314
01:41:19.060 --> 01:41:20.600
So there's been so many,
2315
01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:22.340
uh, rulers or ruling
2316
01:41:22.340 --> 01:41:23.900
empires that have all
2317
01:41:23.900 --> 01:41:24.200
fallen.
2318
01:41:24.480 --> 01:41:25.280
I mean, the United
2319
01:41:25.280 --> 01:41:26.500
States is an experiment,
2320
01:41:27.040 --> 01:41:27.700
like literally an
2321
01:41:27.700 --> 01:41:28.160
experiment.
2322
01:41:29.360 --> 01:41:30.180
That's, you know,
2323
01:41:31.340 --> 01:41:32.080
it's, we have to be
2324
01:41:32.080 --> 01:41:32.980
realistic that every,
2325
01:41:33.120 --> 01:41:34.100
every, yeah, every
2326
01:41:34.100 --> 01:41:35.300
civilization has a, has
2327
01:41:35.300 --> 01:41:36.400
a time period on it.
2328
01:41:36.740 --> 01:41:37.860
And like you say, it's
2329
01:41:37.860 --> 01:41:38.820
what, what shirtsleeves
2330
01:41:38.820 --> 01:41:39.880
to shirtsleeves in four
2331
01:41:39.880 --> 01:41:40.740
generations or something
2332
01:41:40.740 --> 01:41:42.040
like that, or, yeah,
2333
01:41:42.040 --> 01:41:43.620
um, you know, that, that
2334
01:41:43.620 --> 01:41:44.920
people become soft, like
2335
01:41:44.920 --> 01:41:45.840
you mentioned earlier.
2336
01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:46.880
And then they can become
2337
01:41:47.480 --> 01:41:48.740
complacent and they have
2338
01:41:49.300 --> 01:41:50.380
to earn some things
2339
01:41:50.380 --> 01:41:51.920
back, learn, learn some
2340
01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:52.840
things and earn some
2341
01:41:52.840 --> 01:41:53.480
things back.
2342
01:41:53.820 --> 01:41:54.240
And that's crazy.
2343
01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:56.040
Um, we went from, uh,
2344
01:41:57.760 --> 01:41:59.360
we, we, we went from,
2345
01:41:59.360 --> 01:42:00.880
uh, the depression.
2346
01:42:01.540 --> 01:42:02.500
Well, there's that,
2347
01:42:02.580 --> 01:42:03.420
but just saying like
2348
01:42:03.420 --> 01:42:03.800
when you were talking
2349
01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:05.000
about, uh, shirtsleeves
2350
01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:05.880
to short sleeves, it's
2351
01:42:05.880 --> 01:42:06.660
almost like we went from
2352
01:42:06.660 --> 01:42:08.280
prim and proper to like
2353
01:42:08.920 --> 01:42:11.760
slacker, slacker and
2354
01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:14.180
whatever, crazy.
2355
01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:17.160
Yeah.
2356
01:42:18.120 --> 01:42:18.640
It's sad.
2357
01:42:19.320 --> 01:42:20.080
Listen, Michelle, thank
2358
01:42:20.080 --> 01:42:20.420
you.
2359
01:42:20.740 --> 01:42:21.440
Um, I'm going to wrap
2360
01:42:21.440 --> 01:42:21.800
it up.
2361
01:42:22.100 --> 01:42:22.800
I'm going to let you go.
2362
01:42:22.860 --> 01:42:23.960
So don't keep chewing
2363
01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:25.020
your ear off over here,
2364
01:42:25.020 --> 01:42:26.680
but I appreciate the
2365
01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:27.080
conversation.
2366
01:42:27.120 --> 01:42:27.500
That was it.
2367
01:42:27.500 --> 01:42:28.280
That was a very
2368
01:42:28.280 --> 01:42:29.120
informative, interesting
2369
01:42:29.120 --> 01:42:30.260
and, and, um, man,
2370
01:42:30.320 --> 01:42:31.140
you're, you're recalling
2371
01:42:31.140 --> 01:42:32.200
history is great.
2372
01:42:32.400 --> 01:42:33.500
Uh, I, I really enjoy
2373
01:42:33.500 --> 01:42:34.400
the historical perspective
2374
01:42:34.400 --> 01:42:35.780
on media and, and, um,
2375
01:42:35.780 --> 01:42:37.620
how it started and, uh,
2376
01:42:37.620 --> 01:42:38.420
how it came to be
2377
01:42:38.420 --> 01:42:39.440
manipulated and continue
2378
01:42:39.440 --> 01:42:40.420
to evolve.
2379
01:42:41.280 --> 01:42:41.960
You know, and how,
2380
01:42:42.140 --> 01:42:43.120
I'm telling you, it's,
2381
01:42:43.120 --> 01:42:44.080
it's phenomenal.
2382
01:42:44.240 --> 01:42:44.820
Like when you start
2383
01:42:44.820 --> 01:42:46.000
getting into earlier
2384
01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:46.760
than world war one
2385
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:47.440
and you talk about,
2386
01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:48.560
you start changing that
2387
01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:49.300
you don't talk about
2388
01:42:49.300 --> 01:42:49.940
propaganda, but you
2389
01:42:49.940 --> 01:42:50.580
talk about social
2390
01:42:50.580 --> 01:42:52.340
control, public opinion.
2391
01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:53.820
Um, those kinds of
2392
01:42:53.820 --> 01:42:55.760
words and wow,
2393
01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:56.420
you just start,
2394
01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:57.320
you know, like there's
2395
01:42:57.320 --> 01:42:58.660
a great, great article
2396
01:42:58.660 --> 01:42:59.880
called, um, how the
2397
01:42:59.880 --> 01:43:00.700
railroads make public
2398
01:43:00.700 --> 01:43:02.360
opinion in 1906.
2399
01:43:02.440 --> 01:43:04.100
And, um, you know,
2400
01:43:04.100 --> 01:43:04.920
like, so, so people
2401
01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:05.660
were talking about it
2402
01:43:05.660 --> 01:43:06.020
and people were
2403
01:43:06.020 --> 01:43:06.660
warning about it,
2404
01:43:06.660 --> 01:43:07.940
but like, it was
2405
01:43:07.940 --> 01:43:09.140
like way news to me.
2406
01:43:09.140 --> 01:43:10.080
I don't hear anybody,
2407
01:43:10.540 --> 01:43:12.040
you know, sharing that
2408
01:43:12.040 --> 01:43:13.280
information or revealing
2409
01:43:13.280 --> 01:43:14.060
that information.
2410
01:43:14.060 --> 01:43:15.420
And so I think it's a real
2411
01:43:15.420 --> 01:43:17.000
crucial, crucial book.
2412
01:43:17.100 --> 01:43:17.420
It's going to help
2413
01:43:17.420 --> 01:43:18.460
a lot of people, you know,
2414
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:20.300
connect the dots.
2415
01:43:21.140 --> 01:43:21.540
Absolutely.
2416
01:43:22.060 --> 01:43:22.860
Appreciate it.
2417
01:43:22.900 --> 01:43:23.280
Okay.
2418
01:43:23.700 --> 01:43:24.220
My pleasure.
2419
01:43:24.480 --> 01:43:25.180
We're going to stay in touch.
2420
01:43:25.620 --> 01:43:25.840
Okay.
2421
01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:26.220
All right.
2422
01:43:26.220 --> 01:43:26.680
Thank you very much.
2423
01:43:27.160 --> 01:43:27.820
I'll send you those
2424
01:43:27.820 --> 01:43:28.600
with diagrams too.
2425
01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:29.080
Yeah, please.
2426
01:43:29.500 --> 01:43:29.720
Okay.
2427
01:43:30.080 --> 01:43:30.240
All right.
2428
01:43:30.440 --> 01:43:31.100
Take care.
2429
01:43:31.900 --> 01:43:33.420
Devils hide behind
2430
01:43:33.940 --> 01:43:34.340
redemption.
2431
01:43:35.200 --> 01:43:36.780
Honesty is a one way
2432
01:43:36.780 --> 01:43:38.280
gate to hell.
