Aug. 15, 2025

Jeff Garner - Industry Icon Exposes the Toxic Fashion Industry

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Jeff Garner is a world renowned fashion designer, author, visual artist, and documentarian. We discuss Jeff's latest documentary in which he exposes the fashion industry willful use of harmful chemicals and synthetic fabrics that affect our health. Jeff's documentary, Let Them Be Naked takes you on a journey of science based facts that will leave you stunned and ready to get rid of all your clothes.

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You are listening to a Fonds Media Network production.

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On today's episode, I welcome world renowned fashion designer Jeff Garner.

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Jeff is not just a fashion designer, He's also a

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renowned author, visual artist, and documentarian. We dive into his

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latest effort, Let Them Be Naked, a documentary in which

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Jeff dove into the deep end of the fashion histry

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to expose the willing use of harmful chemicals and synthetic

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fabrics that negatively impact our health. I know you'll enjoy

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this conversation and please go watch Jeff's soon to be

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released documentary Let Them Be Naked. To begin with, I

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want to thank you for your time man, that you

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agreed to do this. I found what you were doing

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is very interesting. And what triggered that is one day

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with my wife and I actually saw a documentary on

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pollution and they focused in on clothing being like a

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second leading cause of pollution. And then they took you

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over to Indonesia and they were talking about all the

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pollution there, and then they showed the shores on the beaches,

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you know, and have all the clothes were piling up everywhere,

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and we're just we're just tripping out on that, and

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when I came across your profile and what you do

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in your documentary, I was like, okay, I got to

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talk to I gotta talk to Jeff. You went out

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there and you really dug into it. So I found

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what you were doing intriguing and important. And thanks for

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the link, by the way, I did get to see that,

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and it was very well done, by the way, So

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congratulations that you did a good job on it.

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Thank you, Bud. I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, it's you know,

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you can tell it's been a lifelong journey. So yeah,

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was in the last minute kind of let's do a

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talk about this.

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So yeah, no, we can tell it was. It was

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pretty well done and very eye opening. And with that

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being said, what so just watching the doc which not

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everybody has seen yet because it's still going through the

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festivals and whatnot. But so I don't want to give

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too much away in there. We'll obviously talk about it,

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but I want to I want to be able to

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let people see it for themselves and then you know,

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they could form their own opinions or you know, conclusions

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based on the evidence that you present and what you did.

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But sure, I.

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Have to ask so you mentioned something about your mother

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and that's what led you to look into the toxicity

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of clothing as in the materials, dies, et cetera. Was

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that the only time that you considered that, or was

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there like any other time in your journey where you thought, Hey,

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this isn't right how we're putting all this stuff on

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our skin and how things are being handled. Was there

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any other moments your life that triggered that or was

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that Was that kind of like the straw that broke

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the camels back and you're like, Okay, there's something wrong.

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Yeah, No, I mean when I first started back in

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two thousand three, Okay, I kind of discovered the toxicity

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when my mom passed. That's what led me down the

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path of like, I have to do a documentary because

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that's the only catalyst or platform to get it out there.

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And it lives beyond us, right, So I could sit

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here and do and I've done over one hundred catwalk

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shows all around the world with US embassies, with speaking engagements,

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ted talks. None of it's going to have an impact

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unless you get it on a screen. And so when

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she passed, I was like, Okay, now's the time, you know,

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because you know, I'm not a filmmaker. Part of me

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was like, well, people believe this, not believe it, you know,

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And so yeah, that's why I did that three hundred

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page book. And then along with the docs, I wanted

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to make sure that nobody he could come alongside say

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oh it's conspiracy theory or oh you know, your science

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isn't good, which Ted Talks tried to do, and I

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burned that scientist out of his job basically because you know,

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the data is there, the science there, it's all been

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you know, peer reviewed, and we did our own studies

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as well. So it's one of these kind of interesting

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subject matters that hasn't got the tension and it's been

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studied because as we say in the documentary that it

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depends who's funding the studies, what kind of information and

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answers the don't want to get out of it, and

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whether they want to disclose it or not, it's up

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to them. But for example, one thing we didn't put

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the doc is that you know, the Army outlawed under

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armour years ago to wear underneath their uniforms, so they

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were the guys were wearing under armor underneath the uniforms. Well,

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the uniforms themselves have pfats in it. It's say, you know,

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it's basically pretending like it's an old slick, so it

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keeps the uniform catching fire, right, and so they would

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wear these under armor underneath, but they outlawed it. Now

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they can only wear a natural cotton because they learned

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that when the guys got into war, and you know,

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the fire happened, et cetera, it made the wounds worse.

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It melts into the wounds.

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That's interesting. And then you also found a study that

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it actually affected performance as well.

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Is that correct? So you know, if you look at

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muscle fatigue, muscle fatigue happens when you don't have oxygen

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oxygen supply, right, So when you have a non permanable

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fabrication i e. Polyester nylon, it doesn't allow any breatheability

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to happen, so there's no oxygen exchange taking place. So

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our skin is beautiful, like we can get you know,

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even water through our skin. It's a beautiful, amazing design.

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So we block that process. We're going to dehydratrate ourselves

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and obviously we're going to cut off our oxygen supply.

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So therefore it's gonna cause of fatigue. And so there's

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a study that's already been done before we got into

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this that basically confirmed you get have a twenty five

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percent you know, fatigue, you know, compared to wearing a

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natural fiber that allows breathabilding, et cetera. So Darren and

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I we did in the film just to test it ourselves,

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and it came out around twenty three twenty four percent.

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So it's really interesting. So it's just, you know, that's

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when you look at science, it doesn't you know, it

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doesn't lie, that's it. But nobody's kind of putting together

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the dots, the synergy of effect. You know, Polyester was

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just invented during the war the animals put into clothing

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soon after because the chemical industries wanted to find a

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new use for it so they could keep selling it.

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And then we didn't question it, and we actually liked

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it because it made our clothing cheaper so we could

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buy more, you know, but we never ever tested what

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happens when you put this on your skin, what happens

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when these ladies stop wearing silk stockings and put on

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Nyland stockings. Right, But then that's while we also included

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the dog. You remember we went back to this, you know,

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professor who spent ten years of our life studying you

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know what happened back in the day with these victims

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of fashion that we're wearing an arsenic dress, you know,

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dyed green?

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Remember that?

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Yeah, yeah, so that sticks out. So we're still using

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those same chemicals. It's it's ironic. So but back then

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you could have you could really see it because London Pairs,

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et cetera, all these fashion hubs actually made the garments

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there in their backyard, so you could see the correlation.

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Now the correlations you can't see because we're manufacturing and

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thermal country we're in you know, India, we're in Indonesia,

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we're in China. We don't see it, you know.

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But you also got to ask a question, do the

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manufacturers care? I mean, does that also just give them

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deniability in the process or plausible deniability, like giving themselves

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some distance because in the end, I the problem I

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see in most any industry, because obviously we're talking about

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healthier is it's crazy to me how large corporation will

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sacrifice the health of the world just for a few

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extra dollars, which is which is nuts and in a way,

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like what you're doing right, you're making the hemp briefs

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and whatnot or undergarments because what you found and studies

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out there and how actually will affect male reproduction, right, testosterone,

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all of that just from having that synthetic material always

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right up against your skin. So that's really cool. But

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is it good to cost that much more for these

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manufacturers to make that shift back to natural organic materials

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or are they just so ingrained with what they got

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now in their operational machinery that they just don't want

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to put the money out to make the switch.

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Yeah, I mean listen, I yeah, there will be a

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let's call it a learning curve where they're going to

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have to revert back to the natural fabris and the dyes.

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But if you recall, like the original like gene was

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hemp denim, and it was the cheap fabric because it

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was easy to grow. Everyone was growing it. So what

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we're talking about is corporate greed. So they want to

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own the fabrication. They don't want you to be able

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to grow at your backyard. They want to own it.

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Call it a name. Let's call it lia cell or tensil.

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You know, like what the hell is that? And then

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you learn it's like made in laboratory, So they own

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that trademark. Therefore they owned the distribution and then they

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own obviously the profits. So will they let go of that? No,

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But what they'll they'll do is introduce new fabrics that

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are like they'll call it bio based, and like, what

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does that mean? So that means they add, you know,

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it's still a polymer, still a polyester, but they use

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some wood pulp instead of it all being black.

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Right, So then for them to actually grow.

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The hemp, and and you know that that's a different

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business strategy because you don't own the distribution. So when

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you develop that hemp, I could grow hemp and sell it,

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and then you could grow hemp and sell it. And

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we're both selling hemp, like we don't own hemp fabric

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and that's the difference. So their profit margins will be different,

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their scale will be different. But I don't think that's

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a bad thing. I think it's kind of like fight club,

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where these things have to blow up and then we

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have to reinvent what the new kind of fashion industry

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looks like using these better fabrications, these dyes. Because the

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trajectory we're going, you know, and I'm not a doom

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and gloom guy, but it's just impossible to keep up with.

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Even designers I know are quitting the business, et cetera

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because it's impossible. Like the fast fashion created this mechanism

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where they're driving that consumer desire to replace the order

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of every weekend. We don't need that in our society.

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You know, we need to design that waistcoat, that shirt

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that we wear for ten years, and it becomes who

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we are in character. So it's affecting, you know, society

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in a way too. Sociology wise, We're people are insecure

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more and more now because they're inside of their true character.

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They don't know who they are because they keep chaining

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themselves every weekend, every trend, every you know. And back

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in the day, i'd see you walking down the street,

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I'd be like, oh, you know, there goes George and

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a scarf because I recognize that scarf. You've had it

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for years, your mom sewed it for you. That's you, buddy.

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But that's not it's a weird, interesting cycle, rim but

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it's all about driving consumers back in the store to

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buy more stuff they don't need. So it's an addiction

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cycle we have to break and then we can bring

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in back that natural fabrication and die process because we're

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not having to output as quickly and as much as

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the synthetics allow them to do it. And that's it.

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It's like shelf syndrome. You build a shelf, people are

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going to fill it. That's just human nature. So we

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make the synthetic stuff illegal because it should be, because

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it's a help issue and toxic and causing cancer. Then

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we're there. They'll be forced to use better ingredients. And

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it's happened in the food industry, it needs to happen

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in fashion because yeah, and that's why we're connecting. Like

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what you put on your body goes into your skin,

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so it is a liability.

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It's funny brought up the food industry because I did.

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I actually did an episode. I did a deep dive

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on that and finding all the dies, all the additives

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that are banned in the EU and what is acceptable

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in America and how our FDA is just really not

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looking out for our best interest.

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Now.

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It's really ridiculous. And you know, brands here when they

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have to ship out to the UK or anywhere else,

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that they have to actually remake that package and the

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ingredients to meet those standards overseas, and that's the only

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time that they'll be forced to do it. But yet

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they can't take that packaging. Let's say that's going to

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the UK and then just say, okay, we're also good

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to distribute to everybody in America. They would rather just

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keep those toxic, carnful chemicals in our foods because it's

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just cheaper, which is ridiculous. And I never understood how,

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you know, and you're right when it comes even even

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with clothing, they've always catchphrase, it's just marketing, you know,

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they're just just trying to capture, capture people's attentions, people

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who have a tendency to want to make a change.

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You're like, oh, look it says bio like you said,

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or organic or whatever, and just because it says that

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on the label, like okay, I'm doing something good, but

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not realizing that there's still a percentage of those harmful

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materials within that fabric in and of itself, which is crazy.

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I got to ask you, though I've always been interested

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in this, when because I never paid attention to be

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quite honest, when did fast fashion become a thing because

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in the pioneer days, like when we were trying to

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become civilized people, civilice society, we wore our clothes out.

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They were functional, right, they had to last, they had

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to be rugged, they had to get us through the day.

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And then all of a sudden there was this thing

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where it was like, oh, I need a new shirt,

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a new coat, a new belt, everything, Like every other

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week you got to go to the store and buy

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something new. Do you know when that started happening.

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It was basically late nineties, early two thousands. It's when

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that kind of business model developed. It was with Top

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Shop in London. H and M's are those who are

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kind of the beginning of this kind of idea that

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we you know, unfortunately, it's very inethical. They would go

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to the catwalk shows, knock off designers like myself because

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that we set the trends, go back, turn it into

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their system. Therea got built and they could literally turn

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it out in two weeks and have it in the shop.

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So we do seasonal, so we present a season and

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then we don't make it to the following season. They

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already have our designs in their shops selling to consumers.

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And it was just and they realized, wow, we're ahead

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of the game, so we couldn't compete with it because

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we just we have to take orders in know what

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we're producing before we produce it, otherwise we'll go out

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of business. But they were able to like just kind

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of predict how much they would sell depending on how

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manuch stores they have, and they would just anty up

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and do production and throw it in the stores and

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that's and it worked, and then they were making a

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lot of money and that's when, you know, and it

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sped up everything. So these factories the text you know

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before you couldn't get and they're using cheap fabrics, so

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it's not like they have to make their fabric, it's

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you know, pre existing, so you know, and they use

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cheap hardware, so they're not making their hardware like their zippers.

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We make our zippers or snaps, you know, and all

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that stuff. So yeah, it was just a different model

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that had not been introduced because everyone that the the

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buyers changed to where they just wanted cheap versus quality,

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and you know, they didn't and they started teaching and

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design school design obsolescents, which is basically, how do you

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make a garment that falls apart after free washes, and

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so what it would do is drive the consumer back in.

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It was a business idea that they would drive people

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back in to buy a new shirt. And they even

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did a recycling program in the same manner, but they

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wouldn't recycle the garments. But they're like, oh, if you

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drop off the shirt. They did. It's when a person

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walks through the store to drop that shirt off, they'll

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buy something new. So it was all like social behavior

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stuff that they realized the psychology of it, and you know,

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some smart business guy with no ethics decided that's a

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new way and made bank and nobody looked back. And

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then everybody copied that model, and then now we're dealing

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with a huge amount of like you saw on the beach,

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that's what we're dealing with now because of that new cycle.

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And the college kids loved it because they could buy

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a new outfit for their date that weekend. And so,

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you know, nobody really.

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Blew the whistle until we saw it piling up, you know,

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and yeah.

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Yeah, it's it's crazy because you're just it is societal.

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Then we need to get away from I got to

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have the latest, greatest the trend right, and what happened

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it seemed in the fashions the same thing that's been

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happening in the tech industry for years too, Like do

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we need a new iPhone every year? No, Technologically that

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thing's more powerful the computers the used to build the nineties.

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I'd be quite honest, I don't need to upgrade. But

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everybody thinks, oh, the newest, I gotta have it, But

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no you don't. So yeah, it is we need. We

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need to definitely retrain our culture in society. But it's

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not just here, it's it's a worldwide thing, which is sad.

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What I found interesting too is I was unaware with

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like polyester's when is that most of everything we wear

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is literally plastic? And it's crazy how the petroleum industry

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is in grain and and embedded in everything. Everything from

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our tupperware to like our utensils, you name it. Everything

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has a bit of oil or petroleum in it. And

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how I don't know how to ask this question basically,

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why why are they I'm trying to understand how it's

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so cheap to use those fabrics, synthetic fabrics versus organic fabrics.

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I really am because I equate that to like gardening,

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for example, there's no reason organic vegetables should cost more

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in the store or outside the red tape. And that's

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another thing that I dove into one one day. I

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was I was just really interested into why is my

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organic apple or tomato costing more than the one from

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you know, the big farm for example, the big farm brands.

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Because when we grow our garden, ours is all organic.

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It doesn't cost us anything, no sprays, nothing, pesticides. But

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due to government regulations, they force these organic farmers to

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pay more. And I'm sure you know all about this

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and that is that something that's similar to is there

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any regulation like that in the clothing industry too? Like

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if they want to claim here is all organic fabrics,

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is there a certain number of hoops you got to

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jump through to prove that? Is there red tape like that?

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Also in the fashion industry.

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I mean there's certification programs I want you to buy

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into to certify your fabric. You don't have to do that, okay,

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I simply it simply is coming straight from the textile ar.

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It's just costing them more to grow it and spin

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it and do all the processing in that world is

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a processing thing, because you're not dealing with food. You're

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dealing with this is a liquid that they solidify through

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a machine and make polyester, right and onceing u those

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machines and you're just your ingredients so cheap, you just

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plug that. So with cotton, hemp and silk, obviously there's

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a harvesting time, there's a growing time, there's a picking time,

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there's a reading process, there's a spinning process. So there's

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a lot of labor intensity that goes into that, so

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that will never go away. There's machinery that helps, like

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a fornicator and other things that help that process. Instead

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of reading it in the ground and letting it rock

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for three months, you can throw it through that machine

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and that speeds it up. But that's the industrial age.

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But you know, can it be almost equal? Yes? I

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think so. When people buy into natural fibers, it will

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definitely create more production. Therefore will be better systems, will

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make more money, and then the price will come down

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and down and down. But like you said, hemp, you

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could grow anywhere, so technically it could be mass produced.

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It could grow in the mountains, grow in any climates.

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It's three months to you know, full fruition to have

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it picked. Cotton's a little bit more intensive, more water usage,

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et cetera. But that's why I'm a big hemp Fand

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but yeah, that would drive the pricing down.

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Now why they use patrolling.

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Base, it's think of it like you know, corn syrup

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for the food industry. It's just it's just always been

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the cheapest ingredient to kind of keep all of it

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together and create you know, is the base of it. Right,

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But yeah, I would, Yeah, I don't know. I mean,

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you're never going to have it equal for sure. Right

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now it's probably one to ten, meaning you're paying one

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buck for an eylon yard and you're paying ten for

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hemp yard, right.

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I think the thing with hemp, though, is I get

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what you're saying, because I mean you're you're you're directly

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and you're in it. This is what you do for

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a living, so I hear you. But the thing with

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hemp is it has so many uses from from paper

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to like you said, clothing. You could even use it

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to make building materials, which I've seen some companies starting

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to do. So I would, I would. I would think

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that there is definitely a possibility for farmers of hemp,

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for example, to be able to be subsidized by multiple

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industries to drive that crop down to where it would

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be beneficial to not just the clothing industry, but also

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to other industries in general, just as it happened with

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the patrolling products, you know. And at one time that

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was the direction that we were going, uh so until

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Hurst got involved and basically started buying all the hamp

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farms out and closing them. But that's another that's another journey.

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So yeah, it's it's it's a sad state. I'm gonna

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pivot just a bit because you I want to talk

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about you for a bit because my audience I usually

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am more of a politics news commentary, but I tend

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to love to talk to people who I find interesting

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and I like that, you know, for someone like he

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was leading the charge, for example, in this particular subject matter.

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But what got you into So you started with fashion?

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Is this correct? Okay? And then you ventured out into

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visual arts and then becoming a documentarian. So can you

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kind of give me your journey there of how that

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all evolved.

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Yeah, I'll do a short snaps.

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As I grew up in Nashville, Tennessee horse farm, You know,

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grandmothers stopped me to sew. They were you know, Granddad

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taught me how to work hard on a farm, and

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dad taught me how to ride a horse, and I

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just was of the earth. And then all my buddies

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were in bands. I said, hey, be in our band.

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I was like, no way, but I'll dress you. And

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then I started learning how to make clothes for the

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individual and what are they trying to say on stage

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with their music? And you know, I was always artists minded.

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And then when I got into merchandise production like pasta,

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salt ink and stuff like that, like, wow, this is

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a gnarly dirty business. And you know I come from

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a farm background. I'm like, I don't want my river dirty.

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I don't want my horses to be around this. I

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don't want to be around this. So I started asking

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questions and trying to drive like why are you guys

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doing it this way? And it's just that's what we

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could do. So it started that whole journey. And then

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I moved out to California, got more education and learn

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there were some guys out here already trying to grow

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a himp and do that whole world, and so yeah,

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it just kind of eventually just kept moving the dial

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for it. I mean, I remember one day talking to

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text seller. I'm like, hey, if you produce HIMP for me,

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I'll give you an order of band T shirts like

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fifty thousand, and I would kind of wage use what

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I had production wise to help develop new fabrics because

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back then there was nobody doing him, you know, not

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in the US at least, and so because it was

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too expensive and they thought nobody cared. And that was

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like early two thousands. So yeah, so that's kind of

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how I developed. It was just me just being that's stubborn,

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my country guy I am, and just be like, all right,

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we got to do this differently, and I don't agree

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with this, And it wasn't about money to me. It

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was about doing the right thing. You know.

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It sounds like you were always always as far as

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the fashion industry and then kind of always into the

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art scene itself. Sounds like did you play Did you

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play music yourself too? You playing instruments?

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Yeah, my mom was a pianist, a composer.

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She taught me how to play piano and I would

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you know, string, you know, kind of grow up in Tennessee,

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we kind of string and play on the weekends and dance,

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you know, as as part of growing up. But I

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never I'm not competitive. I don't like I honestly don't

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like being on stage. I don't like the limelight. I

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really that's that's not my funny to.

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Do these crazy fashion events and you don't like.

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Yeah, no, that takes a lot of effort.

469
00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:50.039
I like to design in my room, on my floor

470
00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:53.799
and make things. You know, the person behind the scenes, right, yeah,

471
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:55.599
exactly exactly.

472
00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:58.319
I get it. So where you lived, you just grew

473
00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:00.920
up around all these people and just found a need

474
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:02.880
and then you actually loved it. You just got behind

475
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:04.599
it and just went went forward all out right.

476
00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:08.480
Yeah, yeah, I looked at the need, and I'm a

477
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.400
you know, my brain, I'm my grandfather was one of

478
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.640
the first chemists, actually Openheimer hired for the Manhattan projects,

479
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.920
No Gridge, Tennessee. So I grew up with him just

480
00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.200
making stuff like learning out of problem solve, not going

481
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.960
off a blueprint or instructions and trying to create a

482
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.279
problem solve and figure things out. We used to build

483
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:29.359
radios and you know, we built my go card out

484
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:31.839
of wood and built the engine and just you know,

485
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:35.240
so I had that brain and that mechanical kind of

486
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:37.279
engineering background. So I was like, all right, I can

487
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.759
figure this out. Like let's try this, let's try this,

488
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.680
and like so this chemistry and natural dyes, you know.

489
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.720
So I went to Florence City, studied how they used

490
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:48.519
to do it, brought it back to Tennessee, found a

491
00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:51.000
couple of friends of mine who were kind of hippie

492
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.200
sisters doing ty die and like, hey, you guys want

493
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:55.400
to learn you know, how to do this, and let's

494
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.960
dive in. And we spent eight years developing out all

495
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.680
the colors and you know, learning what we could use

496
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.480
around Tennessee to die with, and then we expanded it

497
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:08.039
and anyways, so I love that problem solvemadic mind, you know.

498
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.160
But then it's like, how do we take something that's

499
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.480
crackedy and take it to scale and production? And so yeah,

500
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:16.160
so that's always been kind of the journey.

501
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.599
I think that's really cool, man, Yeah, honestly, and natural

502
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.680
dyes actually, so all of it was always plant based, right,

503
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.359
like vegetables, leaves, things like that, dirt. Is that how

504
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:27.440
most of all of it was made?

505
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:29.920
Yeah, I mean a lot of people say vegetables, and

506
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:32.200
I think because they have strong colors. I don't use

507
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.799
vegetables because the stain power is not there in my opinion.

508
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.039
But if you think about barts and leaves said a

509
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.759
lot of tannins in them, that's where you're going to

510
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.480
get really the deep rich colors that stay, you know,

511
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.279
and I love doing that. And then you know, but

512
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.359
things like marigold flowers, for example, with the gold tones

513
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.079
you could liptis leaves also are magical because they get gold,

514
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.279
gray and black, you know, and if you you know

515
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.000
the ideas, you mix it with metal, an iron will

516
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.079
get the dark, you know, make things go dark, Aluminum

517
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.039
Mexico light. And it's just it's like you know, learning

518
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.519
how to you know, gas and break and this and that.

519
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.920
You know, it's just chemistry. But in the natural way,

520
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.720
I can drink my dies, you know. That's I was actual.

521
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:15.880
Gonna ask you about that because I heard that.

522
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.599
Yeah, yeah, eh one laughs Mike, And I was like,

523
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:21.960
I've done it on TV before. I and you know,

524
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.559
with somebody who synthetically dying or saying they have water

525
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.559
based dies, I'm like, what the hell does that mean?

526
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.960
Then drink it and they won't touch it, but you will.

527
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.480
Yeah, it's pretty cool. So you still make your own

528
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.000
dies in the house or do you partner with your

529
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.680
your other friends that you were talking about to have

530
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:40.599
them do that for you?

531
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:44.480
Yeah. I partnered with them because it was getting you know,

532
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.839
there's only so much I can do. And so they

533
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.720
started doing the colors for me. And now one of them,

534
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.680
one of them got married, the other one started getting

535
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.039
other farmers to grow, like Indigo and Tennessee, and she

536
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.200
wanted to crack the denim and to go dinim and

537
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.400
start providing for Levi's and so that's what she's doing now.

538
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.640
And I'm doing I'm not doing production anymore like I

539
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:07.759
used to. I used to be in seventy five stores.

540
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.799
I have a wearabook collection, and then I decided that's

541
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.839
not my journey. I'm going to pull that back and

542
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.599
really just be do more cature and show fashion weeks

543
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:20.920
and show red carpet and get those highlights to teach people, hey, look,

544
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:24.799
it can compete and look just as good as these synthetics.

545
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.519
And it's died with this plant and it's made of

546
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:29.839
this and so that was kind of my new journey,

547
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.440
and that's what I've been focused on. But I do

548
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:36.720
with our boxers. Obviously we do that, but yeah, right now,

549
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.279
you know, there's the way it's going is you can

550
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.599
create a powder form of that plant diet. It can

551
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.079
be used in the commercial machines. So that's kind of

552
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:46.279
the next phase. Yeah, yeah, very cool.

553
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.720
And your fashion in and of itself, we haven't talked

554
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.960
about that. I've noticed this more like probably what mid

555
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:57.359
seventeen hundreds to mid eighteen hundreds. Is that primarily what

556
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:00.359
you've done in the past, or are you want to

557
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.680
change that it?

558
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.359
Honestly? Every Yeah, I mean I have different like any designer,

559
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.440
I have different downloads and so like my new collection,

560
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:10.920
I don't really want to share what it's about, but

561
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.039
it's going to be completely different that kind of time period,

562
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.319
and you know, I've done it all, but I do

563
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.599
like historical connections and I like intermixing that too, you know,

564
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:22.599
but so.

565
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.000
Kind of like an homage to that with a little

566
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.039
bit of modern twist.

567
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.960
Yeah. Yeah. I did a few pieces on this TV

568
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.880
series called Rain, which was Mary, Queen of Scott's and

569
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.279
so you look like it's kind of the dress is

570
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:39.079
more modern for her for that time period, but I

571
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.400
took liberty, but it like it looks amazing, you know,

572
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.880
but that that dies and the fabric are right on

573
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.559
par for that time period, but the cut is a

574
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.079
little bit sexier, right, And so I like doing that

575
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.839
kind of take on things. Yeah, very cool.

576
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:56.640
And that one thing I was going to say is

577
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:59.680
when I was watched from the documentary that I looked

578
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:04.000
other things up about you and your shows. What I noticed,

579
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:07.759
and it actually caught my eye, was your dresses, everything

580
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.079
you make, the fabric, how it just flows. Is that

581
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.319
all hemp or as.

582
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.400
The majority is. Yeah, I have a mix of a

583
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.680
hemp and a silk that I just you know, I

584
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.519
created years ago and I love it and it's about

585
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.440
a four zero point two ounce and it just has

586
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:25.240
a great just hang and flow to it and I

587
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:26.240
love working with that.

588
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.200
Yeah, just it just seems to move with the body

589
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.240
and then just the way it catches any breeze er,

590
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.799
it just looks so natural. I really caught my eye

591
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.400
because I was watch It's like, wow that I don't

592
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.799
know what you're using, but the way you did it

593
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.599
it was it was really I'll just say the word,

594
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:40.319
it was beautiful. It was awesome. I love the way

595
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.599
that I flowed so it was really cool. And your

596
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.480
idea of how you fit women actually accentuists the body.

597
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:48.200
I think correctly, you know.

598
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:49.680
So yeah, thank you.

599
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:51.599
SHOT's off to you. By the way, I caught my attention.

600
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.240
I thought that was really really cool stuff you're doing.

601
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:55.119
What is the thank you? Do?

602
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.480
You still get nervous about that stuff though, Like what's

603
00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.359
the process when you're leading up to doing a show?

604
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:00.920
I mean, is it all stressed?

605
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:01.440
You know?

606
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.119
What is it is? Nerves? Like what goes on?

607
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.400
That's that's a great question. I you know, I'm pretty

608
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:09.640
how you see me now, I'm pretty laid back. I'm

609
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.440
you know, I'm a surfer. I meditate every day. And

610
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:16.680
people are surprised backstage honestly that because most designers are yelling,

611
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.160
they're cussing, they're you know, pulling models around. I'm like,

612
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.559
I don't you know, I've been doing it for so long,

613
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:24.599
but I've never kind of been that way. I see

614
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:27.119
it as That's why I usually have a horse out front.

615
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.519
I love the grounding of it. And most of them

616
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.400
all just love working with us, even though we're not

617
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:35.920
like a major designer, because they heard how we kind

618
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.599
of do things and and obviously I'm the romaningness of it.

619
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.799
I love, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't.

620
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:47.000
My nervousness came in with this documentary, sitting in a

621
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.200
theater having people watch it me hearing them like that,

622
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.680
I'm like, oh, thank you, Like that was not you know, different, right,

623
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.720
it's different, and you know, it's a new medium for me.

624
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.559
And you always get this with any thing you start doing,

625
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.319
and everyone it's like, oh, well, you know, this is

626
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.279
Jeff's first film, and I'm like, and when I first

627
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.920
started it, everyone's like, good luck Jeff and pat me

628
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:10.359
on the back.

629
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.519
I'm like, all right, cool. And then when I went out,

630
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.039
raised some money in a week, started the whole production, filmed.

631
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.160
In three months, did that editing in three months, and

632
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.880
then had it popped out to you know, film festivals.

633
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.160
Everyone's like can I be a part? Or like I'm like,

634
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:25.480
where were you when I needed you?

635
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.440
Like that always happens.

636
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:32.480
It always happens, so you know, But but it's it's interesting.

637
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:37.119
The film work is interesting because it's not supportive. Not

638
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.359
to say fashion is either, but it's super competitive. Everyone's

639
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.720
kind of like, even if you do something for the good,

640
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:44.559
I'm like I'm not a filmmaker. I'm not trying to

641
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.200
be a filmmaker. I have no ego in this. I

642
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.359
just want to bring something to the you know, awareness

643
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.279
factor and help people. And you think you would get

644
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.200
more people around you to help say, oh, I know

645
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:56.680
so and so, I know it's so and so, but no,

646
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.319
everyone wanted find out how much money are paying, and

647
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.480
they wanted like it was really interesting in that sense.

648
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.839
As a creative artist, I'm like, no, wonder, you know,

649
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.720
the industry is kind of where it's at because in

650
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.799
order to do something, you know, it's just it's it's

651
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.680
very jaded and I felt that energy, which is sad

652
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.079
because I think so many more stories could be told

653
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.160
in a beautiful way, but they just either get beat

654
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.039
down or I don't know, but I'm a pretty tough

655
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.319
bird and it took a lot out of me to

656
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.559
get this film done and done in a way that

657
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.279
was you know. I didn't take any money from any sponsorships.

658
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:35.160
I didn't, you know, I want to keep it pure.

659
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.119
I wanted to show case was really going on, you know,

660
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:43.119
and yeah, it's interesting. So that was the hardest part.

661
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.359
I'd say fashion weeks are like I could do one

662
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.720
in my sleep because I love it so much.

663
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.079
And and I you know, I'm a confident artist.

664
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.400
I know what I'm doing.

665
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.559
Artists obviously subjective, So I.

666
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.759
Know what I'm doing. I know my vision and I

667
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.119
know how to deliver that. And if somebody likes it

668
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:02.200
loves it, doesn't matter to me. I just want to

669
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.759
give an experience. And so I kind of learned this

670
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.279
art of an attachment to your art. And I think

671
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.880
when people start listening to how people respond or press,

672
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.320
how the press response, I think that gets in your

673
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:14.679
head and that's when you start.

674
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.320
You got to ignore the noise, Joe. If you do, yeah,

675
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.119
I'll let it go, man.

676
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:20.239
Yeah exactly.

677
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.519
So as far as as far as uh dipping your

678
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.840
toe in the water, so to speak, with the film industry,

679
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.760
like you're not trying to make a movie, You're trying

680
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.639
to educate, is what I saw, but doing it in

681
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:36.079
a visually visually attractive way to where it just keeps

682
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.519
your attention, you know, the pace that you have. So

683
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.960
the documentary in my mind or when I saw it,

684
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.079
is successful in that regard, Thank you. And I liked

685
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.159
how it was objective in presenting the information and good

686
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:50.320
call on not having any sponsors, because then people can't say, well,

687
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.320
you're only saying this because you got paid by this company,

688
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.960
so that was a good move. Did you feel there

689
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.880
are any Do you feel anybody was going out of

690
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:00.559
their way to put rope blocks funny when you were

691
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.079
making this or was it just people's greed kind of

692
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.039
going hey, I want a piece of that where you know,

693
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:06.000
what can I get out of it?

694
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.960
Yeah? I mean we had we had one of our

695
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:13.920
toxicologists that was in the Victoria's Secrets lawsuitcase that I've

696
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.440
tracked down and wanted to interview her, and she got

697
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.079
paid off not to talk to us.

698
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.679
Really, m M. Can you explain the Victoria's Secret piece

699
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.159
because it kind of got brought up in your documentary,

700
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.800
but can you expand on that a little bit?

701
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:28.599
Yeah?

702
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.880
Absolutely, and it's it's expanded in the book.

703
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.119
But you know, I didn't want to make the doc

704
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:36.280
about pointing fingers or same bad guy, good guy, but

705
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:42.079
simply six hundred women roughly did a lawsuit against Victoria's

706
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:46.639
Secrets or basically issues caused by their brawls, so they

707
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.360
were breaking out and rashes and everything, and a lot

708
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.519
of women felt it was causing breast cancer. So the

709
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.239
only problem with that when you do a class action lawsuit,

710
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.599
which they didn't know, so that we interviewed the original

711
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.960
woman filed, lawyer talked to her into doing a class

712
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.320
action so other people could join, and usually that means

713
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.320
more money for the lawyer. That's why they do it.

714
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.519
But unknown to her, because she's just trying to make

715
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.639
right something wrong, is that they could throw it out

716
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.320
of court because simply they can say, well, she has

717
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:20.280
a different reaction than her, so it doesn't apply to

718
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.519
her right. And it's it's very easy. It's a game, right,

719
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:26.199
very easy game for them to win. And she didn't

720
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:30.280
have the energy or the money to do another lawsuit

721
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:33.320
just with her against them, and so that's how it

722
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.000
got quote settled. But you don't you don't hear about

723
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.000
that online and that's we didn't know what happened at

724
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.880
the end of that until we interviewed her and she

725
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.400
shared the real story. And what's also interesting is that

726
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:51.199
they did a let's call it a leak, but this

727
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:56.360
one reporter before talking to the interviewee who we had

728
00:36:56.559 --> 00:37:02.519
on the dock, it released saying that formidea hide Paul's

729
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.119
breast cancer. For the Victoria's Secret Braw it's like an

730
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.960
article that released. So they were talking about, you know,

731
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.559
her lawsuit being about formade hide in the brawl. Well,

732
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.000
it's interesting because that's an easy kind of thing to

733
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.719
go to and everybody in the industry knows a lot

734
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.719
of these chemicals and toxins are created by synergy, So

735
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:26.920
you cannot put formidohide in the product. But because you

736
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.840
diet with X or you add X to it creates

737
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.239
a formado hyde. So there's a lot of play on

738
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.400
words to say, we don't add form idehide, so it

739
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.440
naturally occurs, and it does naturally occur in the environment,

740
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.519
so it naturally occurs. Therefore we're not liable. Again, it's

741
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.639
a play on words and legal stuff. So with using

742
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.559
formade hide as the culprit so to speak, they knew

743
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:51.679
they could probably get back out of it, get out

744
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:55.400
of it if it went there. But we did in

745
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.079
the in the documentary, we went and actually took the

746
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:03.599
brawl that was causing her having the rash, and we

747
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:06.880
did our own, you know, testing on it, and because

748
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.519
I know chemistry, asked the lab, the independent lab, to

749
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.199
look at NONI phenol and nony pheno is a carcinogenic

750
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:19.599
tomson typically added to this fabrication and die and it

751
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.159
basically it shows on the film, but it was over

752
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.159
the legal ppm amount that's legally allowed. And again the

753
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.719
legal ppm allowed allowance is way too much, like you

754
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.320
should have zero of this chemical in your bloodstream, but

755
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.079
they do that because their industry friendly. They don't want

756
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.280
the industries to shut down, so they get give them

757
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.519
an allowance. But this was like eight times allowance. So anyways,

758
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.400
it shows that that was the corporate formata. It wasn't.

759
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.880
So it's just this game of like do we really

760
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.440
know what's in our slowly right? And if we did,

761
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:01.079
how do we go about protecting ourselves? Because they're not

762
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.880
going to do the studies, they're not going to list ingredients,

763
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.119
and that's kind of the issues that it is a

764
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.360
public health issue because we have no idea what's in it.

765
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.480
We don't know the synergy of the effect of all

766
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.199
these chemicals and what it's do into our body, and

767
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.719
it's and nobody cares because it would take money and

768
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.840
a whole different you know, set up to do it

769
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.800
property and so until we push this, you know, it's

770
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.559
not going to happen. And so that's the reality we're

771
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.320
up against. But these women did have these reactions. I

772
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.280
mean it was all over the internet. She posted it.

773
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.519
I mean, once a news rable came out, everyone came

774
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.719
out of the woodworks. It said, wow, I'm not the

775
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.760
only one. And that's when my mom passed. The breast

776
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.880
cancer is like, and these guys are bastards. They need

777
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.480
to be. You know, this needs change because they know

778
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.079
what's in it. Everyone who designs a product knows what's

779
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:52.440
in it.

780
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.960
Well, what you said kind of begs a question because

781
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.880
I can't imagine such a big company with these chemists involved,

782
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.519
like okay, play on words. They can say, okay, these

783
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.400
two these two compounds whatever, when they come together, then

784
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.679
the byproducts from aldehyde. They know this already beforehand. They

785
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.880
have to or are they intentionally using formaldehyde in the product.

786
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.880
Regards of how you word it, they can't. They can't

787
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.440
really deny that they don't know what happens when these

788
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.159
two you know, when these two products or whatever meet.

789
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.079
Yeah, yeah, no. And the problem is, so if you

790
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.760
go back to Europe versus US, like you asked why

791
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.360
they have different regulations than US, So there's there's a

792
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:35.079
common you know, basically, if you can you know causality, right,

793
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:39.360
So if we can say hey, from this from Autohyde

794
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.039
in this sprawl and it potentially can cause cancer, well

795
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.639
in Europe, that's enough to say, okay, what comes off

796
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.480
the market. We got to do studies on it before

797
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.480
we let it back on the market because it could

798
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:53.639
cause harm or cancer to people wear in it, and

799
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.039
the US you have to prove that it causes cancer

800
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.719
before they take it off the market. It So that's

801
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.719
the main issue. That's why we have less quote regulation

802
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:09.039
because and anybody knows, any chemist knows, you're you could.

803
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.360
Get it maybe ninety by you know, ninety set.

804
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.159
Like, there's so many variables you're not going to be

805
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.440
able to prove to to the you know, the tent

806
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.960
that it one hundred percent causes breast cancer because everywhere

807
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.960
she may have a different perfume, different skin set, different age,

808
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.679
different diet, you know, different whatever is bioccumulation levels, right,

809
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.239
so that one ppm could put her bioculation level over

810
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.360
and then she gets breast cancer, you know. So it's

811
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.840
it's it's it's so many variables. But what I do

812
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.159
know is that there are carcogens and these brawls that

813
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.519
are made of nylon and polyester one hundred percent, so

814
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.519
they do go into the skin and the body when

815
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.920
it receives it, it's like a it's a it's a

816
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.239
it's an alien to the body. It doesn't know what

817
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:59.559
it is, so it grabs it, treats it like an estrogen.

818
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.599
Grabs that stores it in the fatty tissues because it

819
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.119
doesn't want to go into the bloodstream, so it's protecting

820
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:08.400
the body. So then you have like a greenhouse like

821
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.840
event happening in the breast. Because they're fatty tissues. You

822
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.559
have brawls over top of them that are putting the

823
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.280
chemicals in it and not allowing permeability, so you're sweating.

824
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.440
There's no air passing. There's restrictions on the brawl straps.

825
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:29.320
That's causing the vatic system that's designed to move out

826
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.599
the toxins to not work because those are like hoses

827
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:34.880
that you put any pressure on it, it doesn't work

828
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.719
and there's no pump, right, there's no heart pushing it

829
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.079
through that hose. So your body the way it moves

830
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:43.920
it is by kind of like that watch. You don't

831
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.480
wind up but it winds up through motion, so that's

832
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.880
why the breast need to move and shake and push

833
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:51.360
it out. That's how it's designed.

834
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:54.480
So you're not supposed to be compressed and restricted for

835
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.480
exactly sixteen to twenty hours exactly.

836
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.519
And so that's it. So you know, And but you

837
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.719
can't put your finger on it and say, you know,

838
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.480
but there have been studies done that show, you know,

839
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.559
they took one of the guys we interviewed. That's why

840
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.280
I interviewed him because he did a study in Fiji

841
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.840
with women who never warn brawls, and he put him

842
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.960
in braws and got what I would consider, you know,

843
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.519
the most sure type of study because they never had

844
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:25.400
touched the brawl before, same diet, they you know, same

845
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.760
they'd never left this village, you know. So it's close

846
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.280
as you can get to a case study. And yeah,

847
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.119
I proved what we all thought was was, you know,

848
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.119
going to be the outcome which the more you wear

849
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:41.239
the brawl or cancer. Right, So that's the issue, and

850
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.360
that's all we're trying to bring to awareness. Is that

851
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.800
something you should look at it It's like not studying

852
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:51.000
the cigarette when you're talking about lung cancer and what

853
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:52.880
The wild thing is when I got into this, and

854
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.280
I've been researching a long time, you couldn't find one

855
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.880
study that was paid for to study the brawl.

856
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.280
That's interesting actually, especially with the uptick and breast cancer

857
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:09.159
throughout the years. Yeah, see think they bothered to look, right,

858
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.880
what's what's always on your skin? What's always on that area?

859
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.960
And that shocked me, like, wait, all these foundations that

860
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:18.360
raise money for breast cancer, they haven't studied the brawl,

861
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.840
Like there's something like it almost presents itself like, oh,

862
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.719
there's definitely something going on here, because if they had

863
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.039
a few studies and they came out with things that were,

864
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.239
you know, this align this did, and that would make

865
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.519
more sense to me. But the fact that it doesn't exist,

866
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.199
I'm like, huh, there's something fishy going on.

867
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.280
Yeah, well I can imagine because when you say in

868
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.199
America you have to prove it right, you have to

869
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:44.000
prove it through studies that yes, this actually does cost cancer,

870
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.000
versus in the UK will say hey there's something here

871
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.840
red flag where we may have to study this further.

872
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:51.760
But in America you know that, I know you know this,

873
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.559
but there's huge lobbyists out there that are paying to

874
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.800
make sure that they get their way. And I know,

875
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:03.400
the fashion industry has a pretty pretty big lobby lobby

876
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.840
you know, lobbyists and organizations to basically just you know,

877
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:11.360
tug on, tug on the shoulder of their favorite politician

878
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.960
or whoever regulator to make sure that things go their way.

879
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.039
And I'm sure that is what really gets in the

880
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.159
way of most of these studies that are getting done.

881
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.679
It's no different than what happens in the food industry,

882
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:21.719
drug industry, et cetera.

883
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.519
Yeah, it's the same thing. You know. They have an

884
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.440
intimate apparel coalition that you know, kind of keeps tabs

885
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.760
on all this and keeps it hush and whatever. Yeah,

886
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:33.880
I mean that's it, and we're up again. It's a

887
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:35.480
big entity a lot of you know.

888
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.239
And I kept going, you know, like why hasn't.

889
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.400
Been spoken about or talked about or addressed or you know,

890
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.280
And I couldn't figure it out until I like did

891
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:48.519
a deeper dive and I realized, oh wow, it dates

892
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.880
back to three World War two where you have this

893
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.559
chemical company that came up with the first pesticide. Guess what,

894
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:59.320
they're still in business. They're still making seventy five billion

895
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.039
a year. Who do you think is controlling the strings?

896
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:04.760
It will be them because they're the ones that would

897
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.239
lose the most because they're they're pumping their chemicals into

898
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.239
all these industries, so they're.

899
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.639
Not going to let this, you know, just saying too

900
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:14.599
big to fail, right, Yeah, And.

901
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.280
It's it's interesting to find out that the number one

902
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:21.440
top chemical company was the economy for Nazi Germany and

903
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.280
they're still and you know, number one, and they're still

904
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.840
pumping their chemicals out, still poisoning us, and it's just

905
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.679
crazy that nobody's taking them all. They were disbanded, you know,

906
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:36.480
after they lost the war, and then they basically came

907
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.800
back together under a new name and kept going. But

908
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:44.559
it's the same chemicals that were developed during that war

909
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:47.559
to kill people basically, and that's what they're using. So

910
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.239
that to me is like, come on, guys, there's got

911
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.400
to be some more good hearted people in this world

912
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:54.320
that I know this is wrong and want to fight

913
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:56.199
with me. So that's why I did the doc to

914
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.639
help kind of create a banner and an energy for

915
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.480
people to like get behind it, because enough's enough, you know,

916
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:05.280
you know, we shouldn't And as in the film, they say,

917
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.800
it's not a silent and death, but it's elongated death.

918
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.360
It's not like you're going to die tomorrow by wearing

919
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.519
that shirt, but it will. You know, it will have

920
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.199
an effect. It will lead to a disease or cancer

921
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.599
after ten to twelve, twenty years. You know, you just

922
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.840
don't know, but it does. Science will say it's in there,

923
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:28.039
it's going in your body, it is causing sell mutation

924
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.880
and it could lead to something. So that's where I

925
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:37.440
think we need to like at least bring to the table.

926
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.880
We need to know what's inside everything that we buy

927
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:41.920
and put on our bodies because it does affect us.

928
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.599
And then that, to me, is enough and then people

929
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:47.280
can make their own decisions because some people care, some

930
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:48.119
people won't care.

931
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:51.840
Yeah, well, it sounds like through everything you just explain

932
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.800
without directly saying that you did have obstacles in your

933
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.440
way and making this documentary.

934
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.880
So yeah, yeah, a little bit. I'm sure I'm not done,

935
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.280
and yeah, you know we're getting pushed back all the time.

936
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:06.239
But you know, I don't think they understand like I

937
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.400
have nothing to lose. Nothing again, it's it's it's, uh,

938
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.320
I'm probably their worst type because you can't pay me off,

939
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:19.000
and I'm not worried about anything, so good, please do this. Yeah.

940
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.000
So I'm doing this, you know, for and and that's

941
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.760
why my friends have surrounded me because they know my

942
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:28.039
heart in this. And you know, if I can save

943
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.159
you know, one mom from breast cancer, that to me

944
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.119
is worth all of this, you know, you.

945
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:37.000
Know, I just I just realized, Jeff, we've been talking

946
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:38.880
this whole time about this documentary and never even told

947
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:39.840
anybody what was named.

948
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:41.920
Let them be naked.

949
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.119
I just I just dove into it. I apologize.

950
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.559
So it's funny. Yeah, my producers, I guess a working title, right.

951
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.679
I'm like, nope, I thought it was a great title.

952
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.599
Thank you. I did too, you know, to me, in

953
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.760
my opinion, like it's better to be new than dress

954
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.840
and synthetics. And to me, it's a visual title. And

955
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.920
I was like, you know what, we got to strip

956
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:02.519
it back down.

957
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.480
Well, who was it? Who was it in that documentary

958
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.239
that you were talking to or film where she mentioned

959
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.000
and and that kind of stuck with me, is like,

960
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.800
you know, you're wrapped in fabrics from day one you're born. Yeah,

961
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.559
and you were just talking about the accumulation right over

962
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:22.840
time and unless unless they could see something drastic happen

963
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.400
like immediately, it doesn't ever attract attention. And they just

964
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.320
attributed your your ailments to other things like oh, it's

965
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:30.599
you work too hard, you're wearing your joints down, you're

966
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.760
doing this, it's your they'll make an excuse for everything

967
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.039
instead of like you said, with the brawls, looking at well,

968
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.880
what's what's directly affecting that particular area all the time,

969
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:41.960
every single day.

970
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.679
Yeah, and that's it. You know, as a designer, like

971
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.320
I was in advanced biology, I've dissected bodies before. Like, yeah,

972
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.400
whether or not you believe in a creator and God,

973
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.599
I do, but I like, I think it's a brilliant design.

974
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.679
So what we put in our bodies. You have an esophagus,

975
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.920
you have stomach acid, you have a liver, you have kidneys.

976
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.559
It protects you from if you put something bad in

977
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.360
your body. Now, we were designed to be nude, so

978
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.920
our skin has no protection mechanism. It's gonna you know,

979
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.119
it's designed to be poorused. Like I said, it pulls

980
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:18.360
in oxygen, pulls, you know, it pulls in water. It's

981
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:21.760
just it gets rid of stuff. It's a beautiful design.

982
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:24.079
But we clog it by putting these clothes on it,

983
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.079
and that was never supposed to be the intention of it,

984
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.119
so we're messing up that design. So that's why I

985
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.280
think clothing should be the number one thing we look at,

986
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:37.760
not diet, not environmental factors, because again, we have hairs

987
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.960
in our nose, we have beautiful capilaris our lungs to

988
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.159
repair themselves. Like, so we can handle some type of

989
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:48.119
air pollution, we can handle food pollution. We're not can't

990
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:49.599
handle this stuff.

991
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:51.760
Well, it's like, can California go to the gas pumps

992
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.960
a warning all the time, this can cause cancer? But

993
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.960
we still go to the gas pump every day to

994
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:57.559
fill our vehicles, at least most of us do. I

995
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:02.159
still do. So it's it's crazy. It's just we we

996
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.039
just shrug it off because it's like, well, this is

997
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:06.000
just how we live in this part of what we do,

998
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:09.000
and we just accept these things. We don't question them.

999
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.119
Yeah, it's convenience, you know, we're addictive convenience. And you

1000
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.679
know what I'm presenting is is an opportunity that it

1001
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.000
We can do it differently and you could go in

1002
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.880
your wardrobe tonight, go through your closet, analyze what you

1003
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:26.039
got in there as natural fibers, that's not analyze what

1004
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.159
synthetic dies, what's not, you know, get rid of that

1005
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.480
other stuff, and then slowly add to your closet the

1006
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.519
natural garments because they are in existence today. There are

1007
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:42.400
people making undied hot and hemp options. And then you

1008
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.920
can learn how to dye yourself like it is doable,

1009
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.559
you know, and like food and housing, clothings and needs

1010
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.239
unless we walk around naked, which I would mind doing,

1011
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.280
but you know other people would mind. I'd probably get arrested.

1012
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.880
But that you know, yeah, I'm surprised it did not

1013
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.960
the horse in London, but that's funny. But anyways, but

1014
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:07.920
that yeah, that's uh, that's but it what we're presenting

1015
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.199
is not it is feasible. It is feasible. It's just

1016
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.400
not convenient. But in my mind it'd be fun. You know,

1017
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:16.400
I'd like to be able to teach your kids how

1018
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.880
to die by your tree, at least through your tree.

1019
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:19.880
It's like amazing.

1020
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.559
Well, I mean there's convenience and there's knowledge like you

1021
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:27.679
don't this never ring. I've been in businesses and running

1022
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.559
businesses and sales and marketing for for many years, and

1023
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.480
I always used to hear the saying, like in the boardroom,

1024
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:35.400
we're having these meetings, I'm pitching to the CEO, and

1025
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.800
it's like, here's you. Guys always say you don't know

1026
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:39.039
what you don't know. And I used to hate that,

1027
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.320
but after a while it started, it started clicking. It's like,

1028
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.159
wait a minute, you know you really don't know what

1029
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.440
you don't know. And I think a lot of times

1030
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:49.760
people literally don't know there's an option. They don't they

1031
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:53.159
don't realize what's happening and that there is something better

1032
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.679
for you that may not necessarily break your bank. For example,

1033
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:59.159
Like you said, I think society. Society is the problem.

1034
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:02.000
We always have to I'm horrible. I don't even treat myself.

1035
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.400
I'll spend on other things. My wardrobe's horrible right now

1036
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:06.719
because I work my hands a lot. I'm in the

1037
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.719
events industry too. I'm in an event production, so I'm

1038
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:12.239
always I'm always like, trust me, all my stuff will

1039
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.119
get torn up, and so a lot of times I'll

1040
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:17.920
just buy what's functional, what works, and what will last

1041
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:20.119
because I know my stuff literally will get ripped up

1042
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:21.039
and I'll have to replace it.

1043
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:22.400
A lot of.

1044
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:25.079
People just buy because they think it makes them feel good,

1045
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.199
look a certain way. Whatever. Now I could dress up

1046
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:28.760
when I have to if I'm going to an event

1047
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:31.840
or meeting, sure, absolutely all day long. But I'm not

1048
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:33.800
going out and spending money every day like the average

1049
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:36.679
person is on clothes. For example, I'll wear myself till

1050
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.719
the end of time. Most people don't do that. So

1051
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:42.039
I think what you said is they have to be retrained,

1052
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.760
and I agree with you, and I also agree that yeah, well,

1053
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.119
this one natural shirt, for example, costs forty five fifty dollars,

1054
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:49.519
but you don't have to buy a ton of them.

1055
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:53.519
It's gonna last you a while, you know, just just wash,

1056
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:55.480
just take care of it, right, Just take care of

1057
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.480
the garment. It'll last longer. Everybody just puts everything on

1058
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.920
a high spin cycle. All these bleaches, and you know,

1059
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.840
everything else starts destroying the fabrics and that just wears out.

1060
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.440
Well, that's it. And what people again don't know is

1061
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:10.840
that synthetic dives actually eat away at the tensile strength

1062
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.079
of fabric, so they make it weaker. And you know,

1063
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.960
and I challenge everyone, I'm like, okay, you know, five

1064
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.960
three of my boxers or forty five fifty bucks each. Whatever. Okay, fine,

1065
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.119
one hundred and fifty bucks, get rid of all your

1066
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.000
other boxers. But all your other boxes, the twenty of

1067
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.639
them would equal probably more than one hundred and fifty.

1068
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.119
But those, they're like three boxes for the year. I'm like, yep.

1069
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:35.239
And then you get black and nudest stripe. That's so.

1070
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.039
I only did three colorways, so you know which one

1071
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.559
you worn, and you just rotate and I would challenge you,

1072
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:42.280
and I do this all the time. I just was

1073
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:46.440
on a two week trip doing you know, the documentary

1074
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.360
and only brought the three, rotated them, didn't wash them once,

1075
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:54.400
didn't smell, didn't hold smells because of the fabrication. So

1076
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:55.639
you're not washing as much.

1077
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.159
And yeah, if you explain that real quick, so people

1078
00:54:58.159 --> 00:54:59.920
don't just hear this and go, oh, you guys are gross,

1079
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:03.119
Like why is it You wouldn't need to wash yours

1080
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.480
or the fabric you're using anyway all the time.

1081
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:10.119
Yeah. So the obviously the hemp and are getting cotton

1082
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.119
mix that I use and I use one hundred percent

1083
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:12.760
as well.

1084
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.760
Is it's more hemp, and so it acts like the hemp.

1085
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.719
So it's anti fungal, anti bacterial, naturally, and it's for

1086
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.039
us and nature. So it's not gonna make your body sweat.

1087
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.400
It's not gonna hold onto the smells like you know

1088
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:27.800
how you could stand next to a fire and cotton

1089
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.239
really holds on to it, or synthetical hold on to

1090
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.400
that smell. You go to the gym and you can

1091
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.159
smell people because it's not allowing the sweat to pass.

1092
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:37.440
So that's why you have to wash the clothes like

1093
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:39.760
every day every time you wear. If people have gotten

1094
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.960
in that habit, they just throw in the laundry when

1095
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:43.960
they get home from working out. I work out on

1096
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.760
my hemp every day. People laugh because they're like Jeff

1097
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:48.760
and his hemp clothing because it looks a little different.

1098
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:51.519
Don't need to wash it, don't smell. I'll go out

1099
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:56.079
to a restaurant afterwards. And it's true and that you know,

1100
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.679
it's just a different way of living. And I got

1101
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.960
to admit I test and wear everything that I put forward,

1102
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:05.000
Otherwise I wouldn't suggest it. Like I wore this literally

1103
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.400
the same pair of stocks I made in Italy just

1104
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.840
two weeks ago. I wore them the entire trip, even

1105
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:13.760
in the snow, and I was up in Scotland Highlands.

1106
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:15.039
They so they got wet.

1107
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.679
Fine, so you just like air your garments out overnight,

1108
00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.280
just let them, you know, air out, and then you're good.

1109
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:22.559
Yeah, and it's good.

1110
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.599
And I've been after developing his sock because every sock

1111
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.280
is mixed with the at least ten percent nylon or

1112
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.159
acrylic or something, so it's gonna hold. It's going to

1113
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.239
hold some of that smell and it. You know, you

1114
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.480
could wear your sock maybe once or twice and it,

1115
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:37.440
you know, and I'm most tired of it, so I

1116
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:40.079
wanted to develop. That's why I did the Hip Boxers too.

1117
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:41.519
But and every guy.

1118
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.400
Friend that kind of laughs at me and does it.

1119
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:48.199
After they do it, they're like, you're right, So you know,

1120
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.480
it's not a fabricated thing. I'm not trying to sell something.

1121
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:54.559
It is true. So when you weigh it, you're actually

1122
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.840
pay less for what you need versus more. And they

1123
00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:59.920
are going to last longer because they don't. They don't.

1124
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.199
The tensile strength of hemp is stronger. It's not going

1125
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:03.920
to get the holes in it. It's not going to rip,

1126
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.159
you know. I use organic cotton waistband with natural repper.

1127
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.639
It could go inside and dryer. But you know you

1128
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.880
don't need to dry because synthetics take longer to dry.

1129
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.920
Hemp is. You can hang it over night, six hours,

1130
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.079
it's going to be dry the next day, you know.

1131
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:21.880
And I've tested that. You know, wolves quick at drying too,

1132
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:23.800
but a synthetic stuck.

1133
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:27.960
So well, let's just be honest. When we're just talking

1134
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.800
about boxers, most working people, most men, they'll wear the

1135
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.199
same damn underwhere holes in all for years anyway where

1136
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.679
wread you know this? So they got to stop lying

1137
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:38.679
to themselves. They can afford to buy some good stuff.

1138
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:39.960
Yeah.

1139
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.079
Can I ask you though, when it comes to these materials,

1140
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.039
what about what about people who do work, like the

1141
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.599
blue collar guys are going out and like the electricians plumbers.

1142
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.480
How does that fabric work for people like them? For

1143
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.039
someone who might choose to design or make clothing for

1144
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.119
for for people who do those things for a living.

1145
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.599
I mean, you know, I I don't. No, I mean,

1146
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:04.400
I like, I build my I kind of. I'm an electrician.

1147
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.199
I build my own houses, like I do all that

1148
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.440
work in my boxers, I write horses in them. I

1149
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:12.039
mean they're great for performance, they're great for actually working.

1150
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:16.920
So yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know really

1151
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.760
what the difference would be, but yeah, I think it's uh.

1152
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.360
I guess longevity. You know, like I don't know if

1153
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.039
I'm going overhead pulling wire and I'm snagging my shirt

1154
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:27.960
on something like, is the hemp gonna be a stronger

1155
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.760
material for example, that won't rip as quickly as you know,

1156
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.119
let's say a polyester shirt or something like that.

1157
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.639
Yeah, absolutely, tinsil. I mean, the tintil strength of hemp

1158
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:41.760
is the strongest venue natural fiber, and so polyester is

1159
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:45.760
a mimic of him. So you know that's and you

1160
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.639
look at like nylons a mimic of silk, so they're

1161
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:52.920
gonna have kind of similar properties. You know, polyesters is strong,

1162
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.320
but you know hemp is gonna it's going to be better.

1163
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:57.840
So the answer is use hemp.

1164
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.039
Yeah, acting fair enough exactly.

1165
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:04.320
It's starting to rain here. I may have to let

1166
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.119
you go here in a minute, I get it.

1167
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.320
Man, Well, no, if you have to run, I had

1168
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:09.800
more questions, but if you don't mind, we can catch

1169
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.679
up another time if you have time. I know you're

1170
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:16.320
pretty busy individual. Before you go, though, what what's yeah?

1171
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:20.320
What is okay? Two more questions, I'll let you go. Sure,

1172
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.440
what's left for you? Or as far as your venture

1173
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:25.519
into film? Now, are you hooked?

1174
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:25.800
Are you?

1175
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:27.559
Are you now going to expand on it?

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Yeah? I I've already been asked that a couple of times,

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and you know, and everyone's happy how it turned out.

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So I think, yeah, I'm slated to do a second

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one and I'm going to dive into more solutions, which

1180
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I think is needed next. But yeah, no, I'm all

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about it if people are willing to listen. I'm happy

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to be a catalyst for that. You know, I'm not

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doing it to make a film, but I'm doing it

1184
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if it serves a bigger purpose. Absolutely so yeah, so

1185
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we're already talking about that, all right.

1186
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I see rain drops actually fallen, so you got to go.

1187
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You can't sit there in the rain. If you don't

1188
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mind this catchup, you can later. Like I said, thank

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you for your time. I want everybody to watch your documentary.

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Let them be naked. And we have already created links

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and what not to your profile on my website. So

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once once this is released, everybody can go there find you,

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01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:20.239
and there's links to where your books are on Amazon everything.

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01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.079
So where we got that taken care of. And when

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is your documentary released? By the way, good question.

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We were talking about that yesterday. So my plan of

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action is that we're going to do a Mother's Day

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launch where we're giving it away to moms, well anyone,

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but the idea is to give it away to moms

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for like four days and let them watch it for

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free before we put it up on a on a network,

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which will be in September. And that's just my heart

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and everyone's like fighting me on that, like no, that's

1204
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so purpose of doing it, you know, all right, So

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01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.320
that's our launch state. So it be May eighth, and

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01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.719
you'll you'll hear about it. But we're gonna do it

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an event on May seventh, launch at May eighth, the

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weekend to let everyone.

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Have a chance to watch it and get it, you know,

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get because.

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I don't want them.

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Yeah, in my opinion, I don't want the information.

1213
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I want to go out there as soon as possible

1214
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because it every day counts in my opinion on this subject.

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01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.440
Well, I already told some people once they watch us, they're

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01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.360
gonna want to get rid of their clothes. So yeah,

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01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:21.199
pretty normle, I mean, that's that's kind of how I

1218
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:24.719
saw it. You're getting rained on, so I'll let you go, sir,

1219
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:28.400
all right, appreciate your time absolutely, and I will follow

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up with you a little bit later.

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On sounds good.

1222
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.440
Thank you, appreciate it anybody, all right, see George?

1223
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Right, well, thank you for listening. And as you just heard,

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Jeff's a great guy who really believes in what he's doing.

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01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:44.800
And please go support Jeff in his efforts watch Let

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01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:47.960
Them Be Naked, which will be released on May eighth.

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You could also check out what he's doing as a

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01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.920
fashion designer. Go to Prophetic dot com and that's spelled

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01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.119
with a K at the end instead of a C,

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and check out what Jeff is doing. And once again,

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thank you for listening, support in the show. Please like,

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