Aug. 15, 2025

Jamie Miller - Russia, Ukraine, China, MAGA, and Tariffs

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I welcome Jamie Miller to the show. Jamie is a political consultant and host of the reasonable Arguments podcast. Jamie and I have a great conversation about many topics including what MAGA means, deportations, Russia, Ukraine, China, and tariffs.

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You are listening to a Fonds Media Network production, today's

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episode of World Plays. I welcome Jamie Miller. Jamie Miller

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is a political consultant, author and host of the podcast

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Reasonable Arguments. Jamie and I have a very vast conversation

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about what's going on in America and around the world.

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We discussed MAGA and what it means. We also discussed

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importations as well as immigration policies, and we also take

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on some geopolitical relationships as we talk about Russia, Ukraine, China, Iran,

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the EU and not much as left off the table

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in this conversation. So pour your favorite beverage, sit back

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and enjoy this episode. Jamie, thanks for being on and

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making the time trying to Yeah, we're trying to connect

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to your back and forth, and you're busy with your

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show and what you do for living, and then I've

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just been buried myself trying to keep the schedule. But

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as we're discussing earlier, a little bit of a background.

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You are a political consultant, believe that's your day job.

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You're the host of Reasonable Arguments. Actually, how long has

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Reasonable Argument's been on? I just heard your latest episode.

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By the way, I've had a blog or substack for

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over two years, and the podcast I do with my wife.

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She's not political at all, so we kind of have

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this take of breaking it down for the common man

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or people who are interested in in depth political commentary

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because sometimes I go off on tangents. So we've been

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doing that since the beginning of December. So we're about

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twenty five or thirty episodes in. We do two a week, so.

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Yeah, that's a pretty good amount of time to try

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to even get one episode a week these days. I mean,

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if you don't have that big Spotify contract anyway.

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Right, Yeah, no, I do not, you know, from your

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mouth to God's ears, just like everybody else, right.

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Yeah, we got to work for it, working harder.

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Yeah.

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So uh And then briefly before we get moving, because

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I know that you wanted to touch on one of

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the episodes I did, and which was about what does

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maga meine, right, or what does it mean to you

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and how does it make you feel versus what the

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basically what the media is telling you it's supposed to mean,

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and what the leftist part of your Democrat party is

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trying to make you believe maga actually means like getting

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away from the meaning of itself. And I remember you

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brought that up and it made me think more about

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it too, because like, yeah, you know, I have my

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opinion on it, and a lot of people don't understand.

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I think it just got away from the word, right,

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like make America Great Again is really what it stood for.

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Yet it just turned into this bad name right that

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that you just there's a bad name that you just

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wear like a badge on your chest if you're considered

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a conservative or Republican. And I'm not really sure where

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you stand. I know, I know you hadn't a pinage.

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Yeah, to be honest with you, I've kind of it's

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been a little like you said, it's been a little while,

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but you know, I do think that there's, you know,

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in the Republican Party since Goldwater, which was nineteen sixty four,

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you know, before I was even born, we've you know,

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the Republican Party has gone through I don't want to

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say a reform or a growth period, like about every

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ten to fifteen years. You had kind of a growth

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period with Reagan or influx of new people, and then

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you had it again in nineteen ninety four with Newt

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Gingrich again in twenty ten with the Tea Party, a

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little bit of a shorter period twenty sixteen with Trump,

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and then again I think in twenty twenty four with Trump.

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So and I think the twenty sixteen and twenty twenty

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four movements were slightly different. And you know, I don't

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know if they're MAGA or America First or Republican. I think,

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you know, we're in this moment where everybody's trying to

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figure that out. You know, I don't think that. To

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me personally, I don't think maggot is a negative term.

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I think there are people who use it as a

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slang term, like people use rhino as a slang term.

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So it's you know, and I don't. I don't like

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that term either, you know. Or people will say, oh,

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your establishment or you know, and I just look at

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people and say, hey, listen, I've got thirty years of

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my life that I've dedicated to the Republican Party. I

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believe in what we've done, you know, in the conservative movement.

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You know, I've made it my job so much so

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that I believe in this so much that I've staked

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my ability to put my kids through college, you know,

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based upon my political beliefs, and to those who are

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new to the party or movement, whatever you want to

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call it, I always say welcome, just welcome, you know.

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And I kind of really got involved in nineteen ninety four,

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and I was the same way. I kind of came in.

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I'm here, I'm here, I'm here to fix it. Now

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it's my way or the highway. And you learn very

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quickly then in politics, very few things are my way

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or the highway. And if you want to, if you

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really want to be a part of the change, you

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figure out how to change those things from within. And

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I feel like I've had a pretty good career of

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doing just that. One example is just Florida elections law.

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Election law we have probably, and I think this is

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a good use of the word liberal, we probably have

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the most liberal ballot access in the world in Florida.

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It's the easiest state in the nation to get on

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the ballot, it's the easiest place to vote, but it's

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also the most secure voting that happens in the world.

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And you know, I've had a like I've had a

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small part in that transformation over the last twenty five years,

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especially you know, after the recount.

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So I'll be up front. I have a long history

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not in politics like you. You know, it was never

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public facing or in a position where I had to

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be in politics like you were as a consultant or whatnot,

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are working directly for example, the Republican Party or whatnot

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like you did in Florida. But I will say that

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being in California, you're kind of indoctrinated or pushed into

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being a Democrat from your youth. And I remember going

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to school and it was like every teacher automatically it's like, well,

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you got to vote Democrat. It's it's just a better

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way to go. They care about the people, et cetera.

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And I'll say, back back in that time, it kind

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of rang true at one point, and I think the

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Democrat Party got so far away from what they are

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that it just pushed people towards that sentiment or statement

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of MAGA, because I what happened is people wanted to

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get America back, period. But just because it's Trump in

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charge or it's not the Conservative Party Republican Party that's

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in charge of Congress for the most part, right now,

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everybody now hates that word magan. They're trying to make

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it stand for something else than what it really was,

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which was really getting the country back to what to

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its roots and what it really is supposed to be.

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And if that is considered ultra conservative these days, then

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so be it. I think it just wasn't making sense

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for a long time, and the Democratic Party just lost

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lost everything. And all they have now is just slinging

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names and insults at the at their the opposing party,

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to try to make themselves, you know, relevant, not saying

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that they lost all power. In general, they still have connections,

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but you know, I think this was the whole thing

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was a big gut check to America, especially to the

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Democratic Party. And the fact that a statement like make

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America Great Again would insult you just never made sense

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to me. I remember talking to one of my friends

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who was a hardcore leftist and good person too. It's just,

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you know, that's just where they lean, not a problem,

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but they were a fin by hat I was wearing

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one day, I could have had an American flag on it. It

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was really wine bottles that it was from winery, so

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it was all wine bottles, but it was she was

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a fend body that, by the heck, cause it just

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had the flag and right away. She called me trumpy,

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and I'm like, how does the American flag in your

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mind mean just Trump and not standing for the country

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in which you live in? Like why why would that?

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I had a.

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Similar experience right here in Ruby Red, Sarasota, Florida, you know,

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at breakfast where you know, a waiter took offense to

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I was about to you know, I went to breakfast

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with my parents and the family and a good number

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my wife's family lives here, so and you know, I

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was wearing gonna go out on the boat afterwards, and

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had an American flag baseball cap on, and the waiter,

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you know, mouthed off to me about you know, well

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you have no you have no right to wear that

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in here. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

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Like what and who? Who are you to speak to

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anybody that way much, you know, much less a customer

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of your business to of what they're what they're wearing.

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Like it wasn't It wasn't like I was wearing curse words.

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It was a simple red, white and blue truckers at

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with an American flag on it. And it was bizarre.

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I get it. It's crazy. So anyway, here we are

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now and what people feel to understand is Trump has

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always been historically a Democrat until he ran for the

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presidency in twenty sixteen. Suddenly all the Democrats hated him,

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and then he leaned more conservative. And you know, you

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can see in his cabinet alone, like it's a mixture.

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It's not all just it's not all just hardcore conservatives

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for example. I mean Tulca Gabbert came over because she

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was disappointed in the party at the time. You got RFK.

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Now they're in charge. I mean, so there's a mixture

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of personalities and beliefs, which I think is a good

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way to balance everything out. So there's a method to

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my madness here. And how I'm asking you questions, by

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the way, because I want to try to push things

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a bit and I just want I want to get

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opinions from somebody who's who's been part of the Conservative

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Party for a very long time that can probably answer

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some questions and says some things straight. One of the things,

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one of the things that that I don't like, okay, firstly,

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is is everybody now asking, first off, making America great

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again is a bad thing, which is ridiculous. Put in

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America first is a bad thing. Whatever. We can get

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to the geopolitical ramifications of some of these decisions all

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we want, and there are those, and we can we

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can tackle those down the road. But the reality is, yeah,

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we should have been put in our country first a

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long time ago. So here's the question that everybody keeps asking,

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and I keep thinking about this, and I'm I'm fine

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with it. But you know, you always see on social media,

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hey did you get what you voted for? Are you

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happy with with what you got? And I got to

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ask you, I mean, what what do you think so far? Personally?

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You know, there's some things that scratch you scratch your

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head about and then and there's other things that are

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happening that we've been fighting thirty or forty or more

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years for, and so you know, so, yes, this is

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what I voted for. You know, I voted for, you know,

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stopping the lush fund at USAID. That has been a

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political I call it the Political Consultants Foreign Travel Act.

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I mean, that's everybody has known, but from both sides

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of the party, both parties that if you're a mid

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level congressional staffer and your congressman dies gets voted out

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of office, retires whatever, you can go over to USAID

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and get a job, you know, to land for twelve

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eighteen months, travel the world and then come back and

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you know, find another congressman, you know, or you know,

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you go over there and you stay ten years. You know.

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I encourage people to just go to their own LinkedIn

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and type in USAID and start looking at the at

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the backgrounds of the people who pop up, who you

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may know, who somehow are involved with you as a

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us ID. I did that in the first ten popped up.

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One was a lifelong person twenty five years, committed to whatever.

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But the other, you know, there was there was one

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Republican and then there were about eight people from the

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Obama administration who are just planted over there for over

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a decade. And so you know, we've been paying for

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these folks to travel the world, first class travel. You know,

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they do, travel to the hinterlands, take pictures with school

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children and say they're carrying democracy to the world. And

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in a way that is possibly good. But we also

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have to look at our We have to take a

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long look in the mirror and say we're going two

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trillion in debt per year and one trillion of that

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is just to manage the debt, and so that is unsustainable.

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We are the most debt ridden country in the world.

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The only other country that comes close per capita or

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per you know, budget to debt is Germany, and you

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know which is you know, the second largest economy in

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the world. But there's no other no other country comes

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close to the amount of debt they're carrying with compared

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to their budget. You know, our we go twenty we go.

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Our budget is one hundred and twenty seven percent over budget.

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So we collect one hundred coins and we spend one

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hundred and twenty seven every year, year in and year out,

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we're twenty seven percent over budget.

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a long time ago.

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I mean, you know. And the argument is, oh, you

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can carry some debt, just like you know, your home

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mortgage is debt, and yeah, for sure, but you can't

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continue to not pay off the debt. You have to

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pay off your house. You have to you have to

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continue to make payments on it. You don't make you

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don't make zero payments on your debt and and or

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or put your debt on your credit card. You don't

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put your mortgage payment on your credit card. So and

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that's what we're doing. And everybody's like, oh, we're fine

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with it. It's fine, and it's not fine. It's not

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going to be fine, and it's going to be it's

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going to you know, at what point do we tell

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the Chinese okay you can you can drill for oil

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in the Everglades, or drill for oil in you know,

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Yosemite National Park or whatever, Yellowstone? You know what, how

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do we pay them off? I don't know, Like it's

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it's baffling because people will say, you know, I look

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at our assets. Our assets are over you know, six

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trillion dollars if you look at the interstates and bridges

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and all these other things. I'm like, yeah, great, are

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you going to sell off those assets to pay the

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Chinese when the bill comes due? And the answer is no,

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you're not.

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Well they shouldn't anyway.

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I don't know how you do it. I guess you

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put a toll road everywhere. But yeah, you know, but

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you know, but who's going to want to do? You know, listen,

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we became a country over tax on tea. I can't

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imagine them. You know, Americans say okay, we're going to

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allow a bunch of toll roads to pay off the Chinese.

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So this doesn't make any sense.

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In California is there's a toll on every freaking road.

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out here. Okay, maybe on over, maybe on over exaggeray,

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but but not necessarily. I mean, if you're out in

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the Bay Area, there's it's literally about that bad.

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whole USA i D thing or USAID because for the

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most part, people have been woefully ignorant, Like this information

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has not necessarily been secret, it's been public. People just

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never looked. No one cares.

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Nobody, well nobody as long as things are going well,

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nobody cares exactly, so you know, we're But the truth

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of the matter is, you know that's USA I D

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is an easy target because everybody knows that that's kind

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of a slush fund of the political class, and you know,

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they that's just what it is. I mean, everybody kind

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of not that they're not doing jobs, not that their

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jobs aren't good things, but it's just everybody knows that

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they're not jobs that have to happen, you know, or

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or if they had to happen, they would be under

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a secretary level position, and which is what is going

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to happen, is they're going to go under the secretary

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of State and a US Senate confirmed position. And you know,

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they're like, oh, well, we need to take So what

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what Democrats would argue is USA I D is you know,

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kind of step shot of the of the secretary of State, right,

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but it's governed by politicians, not by a US Senate confirmed,

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you know, cabinet level position, and so so you know

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who's actually who's actually running it.

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And where's the oversight, where's the oversight, and.

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So it's a way for its lower sights, not in

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the executive branch for sure.

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So I think that people are freaking out because say

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what you will about Trump, he's unorthodox, he does he

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does do things. He beats to his own drum for sure.

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Now what you got to realize, well you do, but

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most people don't, is he's got four years. He's intent

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on getting things done. He's not going to be president again.

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This is it for him. So he's not holding back

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this time. First time around, I think he was getting

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his foot and he trusted people, maybe got steered a

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little wrong, and what you said earlier when we started talking,

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I agree with Like, there's some things where I shake

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my head and I'm like, I get it. I understand

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where you're coming from, what you're trying to do, but

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maybe this isn't the right approach. But I also understand

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overall what he wants to do, and that's trying to

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turn things around. So his decisions are very sudden. It

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gave people no time. They thought, you know, oh, it's

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going to be this way forever, and if they do

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make a change, it's not going to be that easy.

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Well bullshit. Trump said, yeah, it will be. I'm making

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it that easy. He's right away just going we're doing

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this and people don't know what to do. And you know,

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when it comes to when it comes to things like

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you know, USAID, people were living off of that, I

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mean the money that they were getting for funding for

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some bullshit operation that they were conducting in some foreign

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land which never really existed. I mean, they're getting called

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out on it, and they don't like it because their

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income has just been taken from them for doing what

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exactly absolute nothing. You know, any other company, if you're

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top heavy, you've got too many people doing the same thing.

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What do you start doing? You start cutting them. It's

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like you said, somebody positions should be like secretary level, right,

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or there should be under positions. There's no reasons some of.

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These functions will come back, you know. Yes, aways functions

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are are things, you know, because if we don't fill

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the void, the Chinese will, and we can't have that either.

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But it should be more strategic. It should be part

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of our overall foreign policy, not just a separate organization

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that has to be throwing money around.

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When it comes to global relationships, when we're talking about

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geopolitical relationships. Yes, we can't let the Chinese step in

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as a superpower, but we still can't deny that we

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need to trim the fat on USID. There was a

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lot of things going on that absolutely we're not being

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accounted for, and we're absolutely being used, as you said,

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a slush fund for just nobody even knows what, to

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be honest, nobody even knows what. So it's shocking everybody

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right now, but it had to happen. It had to happen,

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and we're on a downward spiral for the last twelve

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thirteen years minimum, you know, I know, it goes back

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from further. I'm sure we can recall more than I can.

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Well, for those who you know, to kind of revisit

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one of the things that you said, you know, for

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those who you know who have that head scratching moment

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with Donald Trump, I like to say that in twenty

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twenty Trump lost the election. We can argue whether it

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was real or not, but he lost the election there

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the because he two things. One is, he practiced the

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politics of subtraction. And number two, people voters did not

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like the fires that he set. And you fast forward

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to twenty twenty four and Donald Trump started practicing the

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politics of addition. And you mentioned Tulca Gabrick, Robert F. Kennedy,

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Elon Mosk, Marco Rubio. You can go down the list.

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All those are politics of addition. And they The second

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thing is they elected Donald Trump in twenty twenty four

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because he leads us through fire and they and they

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now realize they are willing to accept the fires he sets.

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And this is what Democrats, I don't think understand is

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that they're like, Donald Trump set another fire, and Americans

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are like, good, good, right, because you know what, we

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know he can lead us through and so you know,

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he'll either put out the fire or will march or

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we'll march our asses right through it, and so so.

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And that's I think the fundamental difference between Donald Trump

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and his first term and his second term are those

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two things that the American public has accepted the fires

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he sets for, But he's also practicing the politics of addition.

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I think, I think what this is what I've been

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saying about Trump for a while, and what I think

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people miss is he's not stupid. A lot of what

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he does is intentional. And what I think he does,

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he says outlandis stuff on purpose. He knows he's going

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to get a reaction. But I feel this is what

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he does. He's stressed, testing the situation. He's like pecking

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at that glass with with with a pick to see

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where where it starts to fracture. And once he sees

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where that fracture is, that's when he just goes all

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in on it. He's he's challenging the narrative and he's

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challenging the way people think. I don't think that everything

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he says he actually believes. I mean, do you really

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think he wants to take on Greenland?

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Really? No?

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He's being a troll. Does he really want to take Canada?

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Harry S. Truman tried to buy Greenland. I know that

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this is not a new it's not a new piece

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of political dirt that we've decided as in our best

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interest to own.

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Truman did make an offer and it was rejected, and

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Greenland did not want to become part of the US,

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and you know, as I know, they still don't. That's fine,

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but the reality is Trump is stress test in the situation.

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He wants to see what a catch.

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My only point by bringing up Truman is that it's

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it's not some bizarre out of left field. That's not

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It's been around. You know, We've had presidents talk about

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it or you know, if they could have done it,

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they would have, you know, because it's it's been in

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our best interest for a long time. And you know,

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like one of our joint chiefs of staff said, you know,

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we have to make sure that these guys don't try

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to fight a war with dog sleds, and that's you know,

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we have to. We have we have shipping lanes that

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are opening up in that part of the world, and

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there's a lot of American interests that need to be protected,

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and you know, having some level of strategic defense with

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Greenland would be beneficial to the United States.

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Absolutely, it's militarily strategic, militarily strategic, and also strategic in

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his resources. But I think in modern times, look to me,

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the lines have been set, borders drawn, whatever, and even

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Greenland's not entirely independent and they want to be. But

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the reality is I think just creating a relationship with them,

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a close knit relationship, is probably the better way to

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move forward. My opinion, I may be wrong, but that's

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just why I see it, But still stand by what

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I said. I think Trump is just literally stress testing

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situation to see how people react before he moves forward

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on something. But you know, that's gonna take me to

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two other things, because you know, first off, just because

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you did talk about this recently on one of your shows,

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and I've I've talked about it also, and we both

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had lawyers, you know, to go over it is the

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immigration debacle, I call it, you know, the deportations. Also,

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we're learning how immigrants have been taken advantage of the

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system knowingly, how companies have been taken advantage of the

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system knowingly. What do you what do you have to

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say to people who are up in arms over the

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fact that he even mentioned deporting people.

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I don't even understand how you when you have going

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back to Carter, going back to JFK, have all deported people,

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especially people who are criminals. So so there's a there's

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a baseline, you know, Barack Obama, you know, deport you know, like,

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it's just ridiculous. It's it's a ridiculous comment of people

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who are who are either don't care or unknowledgeable about

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the past, or they're just so partisan that they're going

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to be against anything President Trump wants to do, you know, Joe,

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But it's all a bunch of horseshit really, I agree

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with you, and so you know, it's not a it's just,

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you know what, not to deport people at all is ridiculous,

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Like that's just every president has deported people. So it's

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not you know, the question is and I had somebody on,

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you know, on my Twitter feed just I was like,

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how many is too many to let them? We still

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let in. We legally allow one point one million people

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in a year. Legally that's the legal process. And most

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people who are experts in immigration would say that number

468
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.440
probably needs to be cut in half to five to

469
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.839
six hundred thousand per year, and yet people on the

470
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:00.960
left will not even give you a number of what

471
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.160
it should be. It's like, should we allow a billion

472
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.799
people in a year? Should like if we could open

473
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:07.960
up our doors and allow a billion people move here,

474
00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:14.519
a billion people would move here. But that's obviously not sustainable.

475
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.799
Or you know, we've you know, just in this last

476
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.799
influx under Bien with the ten to twenty million, whatever

477
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:23.440
the number ends up being, that he let in, we

478
00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:27.200
started having, you know, a housing crisis in every corner

479
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:31.000
of this country, an affordable housing crisis. And it's because

480
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:35.000
we let too many people in too fast, and Democrats

481
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.160
quite frankly don't care. And for them to stand and

482
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:40.319
say they care for you know, working class Americans or

483
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.359
poor Americans is just flies in the face of anything

484
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.240
that is reasonable when they know that they have caused

485
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.599
this problem, They've caused this affordable housing problem, they've caused

486
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.480
the problem where Americans can't get work if they're trying,

487
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.599
they're at the if they're especially if they're at the

488
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.400
you know, starting level in their career, their high school

489
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.759
graduate or high school dropout or god, forbid somebody's been

490
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.359
to prison. You know, we you know, we kind of

491
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.559
look at felons as gosh, you know, they just can't

492
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:13.200
they just can't work anywhere. Well, fifty percent of felons

493
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.279
never go back to prison, so you know, they they

494
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.920
they committed their crime, they did their time, and now

495
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.519
they're back out working. And so we have and so

496
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.640
one guest on our podcast said, you know, it's kind

497
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.200
of like, you know, how many people are in the

498
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.160
waiting room to accept the job. If a single mother

499
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:31.880
is like, I need to get off work at three

500
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.480
and you know, to pick up my kids from school.

501
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.319
If the employer is looking at six other people in

502
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.839
the waiting room for that same job and that person's

503
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.000
willing to work till five, any one of them is

504
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.920
willing to work till five and they're qualified, the employer

505
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.839
is going to choose the person work till five. But

506
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.039
if there's nobody in the waiting room, the employers more

507
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.039
likely to say, you give power to the employee, and

508
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.920
Democrats have taken that power away from from workers.

509
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.240
Yeah, the thing that boggles me is that it's it's

510
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.240
okay for every other major country to protect their borders

511
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.000
except for the United States somehow. I mean, you can't

512
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.480
just walk across the borders to China. Obviously not in

513
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.519
North Korea either, but you know you can't do that

514
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.880
in Russia either. They're all gonna protect their borders. Every

515
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.799
country does this open border policy that seems to be

516
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.680
like a virus that's spreading across the world, for example,

517
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.039
because if we look at what we consider the free

518
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.720
world or the Western nations, you know it starts here

519
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.799
and it all came from this. I don't know, this

520
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.279
bullshit argument of pulling on your moral heartstrings because hey,

521
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.119
you know what about the children. Oh you're gonna deport

522
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.000
You're gonna deport the parents, but leave the child here,

523
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:47.839
or are you gonna take the child from from from

524
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.880
the parents. It's like, we can have a moral argument

525
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.960
all you want, but these parents willingly made the decision

526
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:56.920
to put their child in that position.

527
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.000
And that's not even true. The children can be deported

528
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.079
with their parents. It's just a it's just a p

529
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.599
argument to say, oh I shouldn't deport the parent. No,

530
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.240
that's not true that the child can can go with.

531
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.240
We're America is not responsible for keeping the family together.

532
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:16.079
Think about it this way, you know, when single mom

533
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:20.079
goes to prison, we don't send our children with her.

534
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:22.000
No, absolutely not think about that.

535
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.279
So when when you know, dad goes and robs a bank,

536
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.920
we don't send his children to prison with him. So

537
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:35.880
these criminals, why why would why would we? It just

538
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:37.079
doesn't make any sense.

539
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.799
I know, I'm on your side here, I'm just you know,

540
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.920
just pointing out that argument they always trying to make

541
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.640
to make everybody feel bad about that decision of upholding

542
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.599
our law, and it's just propaganda's bullshit. But you know,

543
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.839
like recently the story that just happened about the kid

544
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.880
that needed the surgery for her brain cancer, and it's like,

545
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.920
oh wait, the US is kicking them out when they

546
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.119
need this care and they deport them back over to

547
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.720
Mexico where there's get in the care. And in that situation,

548
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.039
you know, it's a little tricky. To me, it's a

549
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:07.839
matter of timing. I personally would have said, okay, well

550
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.160
let's give the child the care, but when that child's

551
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.240
care is done, they're going back, right. It's the way

552
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.599
I see it as some kind of a compromise. But

553
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.720
if we're always going to be upheld to some to

554
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.839
some insane moral argument that they just reach back out

555
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.039
into this large cave of well, okay, let me grab

556
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:29.839
this one and throw it at the conservatives right now

557
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.440
and say, look, you can't do this because little Johnny

558
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.279
over here just scraped his knee and he's bleeding and

559
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:37.279
we can't move him right now because he doesn't feel

560
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:38.960
good about himself with that. That's a bunch of crap.

561
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:43.400
Well, and the you know, birthright citizenship is bullshit, you know,

562
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.759
you know, the jurisdiction whereas clause of the fourteenth Amendment

563
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.319
was interpreted to in the long case of I think

564
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.440
it was eighteen ninety eight, maybe eighteen ninety six that

565
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.920
the US Supreme Court case was interpreted to be birthright

566
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:05.359
and citizenship. And so, you know, an any as we know,

567
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:11.680
any US Supreme any constitutional or amendment the Constitution, anytime

568
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.559
there's an interpretation through a US Supreme Court case, that

569
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.519
interpretation can then be changed. And so I hope the

570
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.519
US Supreme Court looks at birthright citizenship because we have

571
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.160
been invaded, and we have been invaded, and everyone's like, oh,

572
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.279
it's not an occupying army. The hell it's not. These

573
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.079
Venezuelan gangs are an army. They may not be at

574
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.240
war with our government, but they are at war with America.

575
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.880
They're at war with our way of life. And the

576
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.880
fact that they came they didn't they came here to

577
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:50.000
do harm, to occupy our land, and to say then

578
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.640
that if their children are born here that they're citizens.

579
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.799
Nobody would say that if if in World War Two,

580
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:01.519
if Germany had had stormed our land and gotten to

581
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.119
the United States and had children, that those children somehow

582
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.759
would be US citizens. There's not a reasonable person who

583
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.640
thinks that's correct. And yet somehow people have bought into

584
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:19.119
this belief that just you know, Chinese citizens are flying

585
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.319
here to have babies. You have this problem in California

586
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.920
big time. You know, are flying to especially California, having

587
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.160
babies so their babies have dual citizenship, and flying them

588
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.160
back to have them raised as Communists so they can

589
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:38.839
then infiltrate our country as citizens twenty thirty years from now.

590
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.960
And how that makes no sense. It makes no sense

591
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:42.960
that we would allow that.

592
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:50.599
Yeah, but that's a that's egregiously taken advantage of a law,

593
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.839
a law which has been grossly misinterpreted interpreted. So on

594
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:59.559
know why I said dated by interpreted because if you're

595
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.720
a diplomt met for example, for another country, or if

596
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.359
you're visiting, you know, as a representative of a large

597
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:08.160
company and you're traveling around. If you have let's say you,

598
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.279
for example, if you went to France on vacation, you

599
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:12.119
had a kid. As your kid now a French citizen.

600
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.759
Would you're absolutely be a Russian citizen, Would it be

601
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.240
a Greek citizen? No, it doesn't work that way. If

602
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.359
you happen to have the child in whatever land, it

603
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.880
does not automatically make you a citizen. Now there are

604
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.839
there's a caveat to that you're supposed to be able

605
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:26.519
to live in this country for X amount of years.

606
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.559
I think it was changed to fourteen years or something

607
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.799
like that is what it was supposed to be, and

608
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.119
you have to live here for a certain amount of time.

609
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.559
You have to prove that you have an allegiance to

610
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.599
the United States. I mean, it's not just as simple

611
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.319
as saying I had a kid here, thank you very much.

612
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.119
Have to be allegiant to the United States. Absolutely. Now

613
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.319
we can have a debate, because I don't, but I

614
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.880
think the debate that is legitimate is around the word allegiant.

615
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.119
You know what does it mean to be allegiant to

616
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.160
the United States, Well, it means that you are not

617
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.559
allegiant to another country. We have members of Congress who

618
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.640
who brad that they are more allegiant to other countries

619
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:06.920
than to the Unity.

620
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.200
That should not be that, that should not be at all.

621
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.839
They should be allowed to vote. That's that's someone who

622
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.799
should not be a citizen, should not be a voter.

623
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.920
They damn sure should be allowed to serve in the

624
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.039
US House of Representation.

625
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.160
And just call it out like illin Omar should not

626
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.200
be in Congress. She needs to be removed.

627
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:21.920
Absolutely not.

628
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.119
She is working on behalf of she's not.

629
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.680
She's not. If you're not allegiant to the United States,

630
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.279
you're not qualified to be a member of Congress. You're

631
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.279
not qualified to be a voter. You're not qualified to

632
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.079
be a voter if you are not allegiant to the

633
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:35.759
United States.

634
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.279
I still can't understand how someone like that was able

635
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.880
to even get on the ticket and be considered for

636
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:43.599
public office.

637
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.160
Well that's how much. That's how much immigration, legal and

638
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.079
illegal we've had that have that have formed in one place,

639
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.920
that that you know that those voters are not allegiant

640
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.839
to the United States. Quite frankly, they're electing someone who

641
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.920
is not allegiant, and I don't even understand it, Like

642
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.480
it's it's bizarre that we are in that we even

643
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:06.599
have this discussion.

644
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.159
I'm not I'm not gonna stick on on on illhound

645
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:11.679
for too long, but I'm just gonna say that I

646
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:12.960
did do a deep dive on her in one of

647
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.159
my episodes, and I know who her father was and

648
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.599
who he who he was serving at the time, who

649
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:25.159
was a known terrorist, authoritarian terrorist to their own people,

650
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:31.360
and she came here and she has since been here,

651
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.800
has always gone out of her way to demean the

652
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.719
United States, to demean our way of life for culture people,

653
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.519
and has even been caught on camera multiple times, even

654
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.760
on her X feed, stating how she's working on behalf

655
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.280
of the Somali people and how is that nobody else

656
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.920
in Congress is taking action against this and holding her.

657
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.639
I mean, it is just ridiculous. It's ridiculous that she's

658
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.800
still allowed to serve. And you know, I'm just gonna

659
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:57.519
leave it there. I can go a lot deeper, but

660
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.280
I just wanted to since since her name came up up, well,

661
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.920
I brought it up. I just wanted to make that point.

662
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.440
I just so there you go.

663
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.719
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. So before we move off this

664
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.199
immigration thing, though, you mentioned something about, you know, how

665
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.239
we're losing jobs to immigration. And one of the lawyers

666
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:20.079
I had on she was very savvy on basically the

667
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.320
work visas programs like the H one B, H two A,

668
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.400
et cetera. And she explained a lot of that and

669
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.639
how that worked and how companies are using that. Now.

670
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.039
She was really going out of her way to explain

671
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:32.679
it to me. And we're trying to keep it objective

672
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:34.880
and non non political, because I just wanted to get

673
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.639
the information. And you had a little bit of the

674
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.880
similar experience with one of your recent episodes too. I

675
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.519
just listened to that one, by the way, and that

676
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.760
particular lawyer with Mark, I believe it was Mark. It

677
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:51.400
was the one you just released that Mark yet Mark,

678
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.039
and he made some similar points. He didn't dive too

679
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.320
deep on the H two b's and how those work

680
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.280
were the H two A. But from your understanding, how

681
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.760
do you view that these immigrants under these statuses are

682
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.239
taking jobs from American citizens?

683
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.599
So, and I'm just trying to look at my notes

684
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.119
because I wanted to say it correctly because it is,

685
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:19.920
you know. But let's just say the one program that

686
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:27.360
Mark Grekorian mark is the he's the founder of the

687
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.199
Center of Immigration Studies. And if you're looking for immigration information,

688
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.960
the Center of Immigration Studies website is a wealth. There's

689
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.480
so much you can lose yourself for days in there.

690
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.840
But the way he described it was that, and it's like,

691
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.079
you can't blame work, you can't blame employers. But what

692
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.719
we do is we bring people on student pieces and

693
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:58.519
then we incentivize the worker the work the employer to

694
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.360
hire someone who, let's say in the tech industry. So

695
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.800
when they graduate from college, the employer will seek out

696
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.519
someone who's on a student visa because they don't have

697
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:18.000
to pay Social Security. Neither the employee nor the employer

698
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:23.440
pays Social Security tax on that employee for a period

699
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:27.639
of three years. And so we are putting all of

700
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.079
our students at an immediate disadvantage in every field, engineering,

701
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.480
every stem field when they're going up against students from

702
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:41.960
other countries, because you know, they immediately have an advantage

703
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.679
because of the employers who hire them get a tax advantage.

704
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.159
So we're saying to our own American and we you know,

705
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.440
we're subsidizing not only that student visa, but we're subsidizing

706
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.000
the American kids who are in the university. Then we're saying, oh,

707
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.519
not only we're going to subsidize your education, but we're

708
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.840
going to make it put you in as advantage to

709
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.320
getting a job to compared to the foreign worker or

710
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.559
the foreign students. So, I mean, it's ridiculous some of

711
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.960
these tax incentives that we have in place. And and

712
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:16.679
like Mark said, you really can't blame the employer because

713
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.800
that's the system. You know, an employer is based on

714
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.000
making money. And so if I can hire, if they're

715
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.440
both equal, I'm gonna hire the one who's gonna save

716
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.679
me ten percent in taxes or whatever that percentage is

717
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:31.239
in taxes and call it a day. And the reasoning

718
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.519
behind it the you know, if you want to do

719
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.559
Devil's Advocate, the reason behind it is, well, you know,

720
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.800
this foreign student is going to do their three years

721
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.840
and leave, and so they're never gonna they're never going

722
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.400
to collect Social Security, so you don't they shouldn't have

723
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.760
to pay into it. And which is all about of

724
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:49.400
a horseshit.

725
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:54.000
And that's that's how the student visa works. And then

726
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.760
as and how's that contrast to the H two BE visa, Well.

727
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.519
You have to I'm not that you lose me in

728
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:03.199
the acronyms, to be honest with you.

729
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.800
My wife is well, no worries, no worries. Yeah, it's

730
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.800
so the thing with H two B visa is it

731
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.280
relates more to professional positions, so these are no longer

732
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.159
necessarily students. And what I found fascinating about this one

733
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.239
is for one in the marketplace, by the way, in

734
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.800
the market the company has to has to prove that

735
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.360
there was no reasonably available candidates for the position who

736
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.719
are already in the United States or who are they citizens.

737
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.320
They have to make that case somehow. They're always able

738
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.920
to make that case because apparently there's not enough professionals here.

739
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.480
But anyway, so yeah, so this goes back. So this

740
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.039
goes back to World War two and when you know,

741
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.559
we brought all the nuclear scientists over and so the

742
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.920
thought was we would bring the best and brightest from

743
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:50.039
other countries and we would have them here and give

744
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:54.840
them some level of status, whether it's screen card or citizenship.

745
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.519
If they filled certain mostly scientific or whatever, let's just

746
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.800
call it stem degrees that would would fill you know,

747
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:10.960
those needs. And so the problem one problem with that

748
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:15.880
is and is that it's it's almost inhumane because if

749
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.880
you take the top you know, people out of an

750
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:24.360
emerging country, they're no longer there to help their emerging country,

751
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.239
and so we cannot and the truth of the matter

752
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:32.079
is we cannot bring enough people here, you know. So

753
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.599
so it's there's an incredible you know, part of part

754
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:40.039
of the thought process is, you know, we bring people

755
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.719
here because they're in poverty, and so they can come

756
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.280
to America and not be in poverty. But we bring

757
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.320
one point one million people here and they're all not impoverished.

758
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.480
But let's even pretend that they all are. So every

759
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.079
year there's a net of twenty million people in the

760
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.480
country born or born into poverty. So we would have

761
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.440
to bring in twenty million a year just to keep

762
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:05.119
our head above water if we were if we were,

763
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.840
if we're using our immigration system to be humane to

764
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.159
other countries in the world, and what ends up happening

765
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:15.559
is are we end up being inhumane because we're taking

766
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.760
the best and brightest from the people who can fix

767
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:23.000
the problems in these emerging economies, and we're taking them

768
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.119
out of their out of their problem solving area where

769
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:29.679
and so there's an argument that we should leave them

770
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.079
there but give them the tools to be successful in

771
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:33.599
their own countries.

772
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.880
I understand that argument, and I understand that take, but

773
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.960
it's not going to it's not going to happen or

774
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.599
change because the reality is these companies are able to

775
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.119
take advantage of these people. They are saving money, even

776
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:48.719
if in this case where they have to pay the

777
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.039
taxes because they have to sponsor that individual for three years,

778
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.119
they get a three year minimum basically, but they can't

779
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:56.800
extend it up to six and then after that it's

780
00:41:56.840 --> 00:42:01.039
supposed to be over. The thing with the h t B, though,

781
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:03.760
is you know, the argument is always has they have

782
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.920
to be offered the same salary at market value rate whatever,

783
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.679
which I know is complete bullshit because I've known many

784
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:14.639
people in different companies and what I'll just say that

785
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.039
I know for a fact that a lot of these

786
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.280
people are not getting paid what the actual market rate is.

787
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.719
You can go buy market statistics based on you know,

788
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.599
prevailing wage for example, for a certain position that is

789
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.599
put out there by the government, but that doesn't necessarily

790
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.280
mean that the market that they are in particular is

791
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.320
exactly what that same prevailing rage is supposed to be.

792
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.480
Prevailing wage could say fifty thousand, but that market's supposed

793
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.800
to pay one hundred and sixty grand because of living conditions.

794
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.679
So a company can easily go, yeah, well, you know

795
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.360
we're meeting the minimum. Here you go, sixty grand. We're

796
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:44.840
gonna bring this guy in, save money. We don't have

797
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.400
to pay this other qualified engineer one hundred and twenty

798
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.239
one hundred and sixty thousand dollars. And then there you go.

799
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:55.440
And that happens all the time. So yeah, it's it's

800
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.639
it's good if it's not being taken advantage of it,

801
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.960
and unfortunately it's been taking advance. And so it seems

802
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.119
like you and I agree on immigration, and I think

803
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.480
most of the United States agrees on immigration, aside from

804
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.440
well obviously the Democrat Party for whatever reason. But let's

805
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.920
let's move on to the really heated contested thing going

806
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.400
on right now in the world, and that's been the

807
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.639
Ukraine Russia War. And I'm not sure how far you've

808
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:26.280
you've you've dived into this particular situation, but you know,

809
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.719
just as of today before before we recorded. You know,

810
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.599
the Trump phone call with Putin just happened, right, and

811
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:35.960
they're supposed to be uh temporary cease fire now. But

812
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.320
the problem is is it's only that the conditions are.

813
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.480
It's a ceasefire just basically on energy and infrastructure, like

814
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:48.880
you can't destroy those things, which does nothing to stop Russia,

815
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:53.159
for example, from going ahead and just bombing and shooting

816
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.440
up the rest of Ukraine. And I guess and vice versa,

817
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.840
if Zelenski want to do the same to Russia, he could,

818
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.039
I guess, how do you feel about this?

819
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.360
We're we're all in a predicament because the world, the

820
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.440
world has drawn I think a line in the sand

821
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:13.760
saying we don't want Russia to advance. You know, we

822
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:19.199
prefer Russia leave. But the truth of the matter is

823
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:23.760
there's not enough men in Ukraine to root out the

824
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.239
Russians and push them back. There's just not And so

825
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.360
so the question, and this was part of the blow

826
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.559
up in the Oval office was and I actually was

827
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.880
on BBC International when the news broke when Michael Waltz,

828
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:43.039
the National Security Advisor, was speaking at Seapac and said

829
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.159
that Zelensky had agreed to a minerals deal. And so

830
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.360
even in that interview, which is on YouTube, on reasonable arguments,

831
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:55.760
But even in that interview, you you know, the reporter

832
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.960
kept asking about this word strength. You know, you know,

833
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.320
Donald Trump's gonna have to agree to you know, uh, security,

834
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.239
don't not strength, security, you know, provide Zelensky in Ukrainian

835
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.559
Ukraine with security. And you know, and at the time,

836
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.079
you know, I didn't really realize, but certainly by the

837
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.400
time the blowof of the Oval Office, Zelensky had used

838
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:23.199
this word security, and Trump was offended by it called said,

839
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.280
you know, bretoned Zelensky that he was starting with World

840
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.719
War III. And the truth of the matter is what

841
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.679
Zelensky meant was American boots on the ground, and that's

842
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:33.239
what he wanted.

843
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.280
Yeah, and that's true. And I actually did a breakdown

844
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.519
of that same situation. I came to the same conclusion.

845
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.920
It's exactly what he wanted. That's what he's implied the

846
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:42.760
whole time, and he got it.

847
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.960
He got it from the EU, and he gets it

848
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.719
on day thirty one after a cease fire, he gets

849
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.639
EU boots on the ground. So he was trying to

850
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.480
put Americans in the EU in a position where, you know,

851
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:56.760
on day thirty one, if the Russian shoot, now they're

852
00:45:56.760 --> 00:46:00.599
shooting at the world, and the whole damn thing gets escalated,

853
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:02.480
which is why Trump called them out.

854
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:07.000
Yeah, but even even before this, so America is being

855
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:11.679
being billed as the big bad you know, like we're

856
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:13.960
the bad personnel, right, we hate democracy, we don't want

857
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.840
to get involved, we don't want to protect freedom. It's

858
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:18.719
a bunch of bullshit because Europe could have stopped US

859
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:21.159
a long time ago. This is in their backyard. Now.

860
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.199
What is crazy is you know, the first invasion twenty fourteen,

861
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.679
the annexed Crimea, Russia took it over. But if you

862
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.639
go back further twenty twelve, people make the argument, yeah,

863
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.920
well but the Ukraine was also shooting missiles at you know,

864
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.079
at the borders on Russians and et cetera. But you

865
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:40.000
know that wasn't Zelinsky. So this whole, this whole thing

866
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.400
is is ridiculous because the UK is trying to criticize America,

867
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.119
for example, and so is France. France I always had

868
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:49.880
a bone to pick with because they're the biggest talkers

869
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.800
that do nothing. Same thing with Germany. They're all just

870
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.679
barely starting to get off the ras and do something

871
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.320
which they should have done a long time ago, instead

872
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.320
of trying to rely on the strength of the United

873
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.639
States of America and continuing to get money from US.

874
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.400
I mean, we fund over two hundred something countries, but

875
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.039
no one sends anything our way, like literally, well.

876
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.800
And every American, every American should be offended by what

877
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:13.440
Selenski said. Zelensky said, I'm not going to put my

878
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.400
grandchildren in debt, and yet if we are supposed to

879
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.000
fund his war with our grandchildren's money, and that's exactly

880
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.360
what we've been doing, and it's wrong and it needs

881
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.719
to stop, you know. And you look at someplace like France,

882
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:32.280
which has carries no debt, you know, the UK. You know,

883
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.639
when we go back to we're doing one hundred and

884
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.239
twenty seven percent. Germany's at like one hundred and seventeen

885
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:41.760
percent of their budget. You know, UK's only deficit, spends

886
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.599
about ten percent of their budget over their budget. You know,

887
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.079
France is like at three percent. They don't deficit spend

888
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.119
at all. They have the least amount of debt of

889
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.320
all of these countries. And then they have the gall

890
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.480
to sit there and say that somebody else needs to

891
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.000
step up to the plate. And I'm like, listen, you

892
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.199
want my grandchildren ding to finance your ward today, why

893
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.239
don't you do some of that? Why don't you put

894
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:05.559
your money where your mouth is?

895
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.880
They don't. And you know, when it comes to contributing

896
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.840
to NATO, like everybody wants to compare Europe or EU

897
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.679
to the United States, you can't take a conglomerate of

898
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.239
countries and compare to one singular nation. We still pay

899
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:21.360
over seventy percent of the entire funding for NATO, regardless

900
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.119
of how you want to look at it. Now, getting

901
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.119
back to this what you mentioned about the mineral rights

902
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:26.719
deal that you know when you heard all that break

903
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:30.920
that argument when you were doing that BBC interview. The

904
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.480
reality is a lot of people didn't talk about. It

905
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.039
wasn't in the news or it wasn't reported, But the

906
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.039
UK already signed a freaking mineral rights deal with Ukraine.

907
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.440
On January twenty six of this year, they signed a

908
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.360
one hundred year deal to bolster up Ukraine's economy using

909
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:53.159
surprisingly British banking system also helped them in commerce by

910
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.000
using of course, British trade partners, and they also signed

911
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.760
a deal to help them in mining and processing all

912
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.559
the minerals for Ukraine. And that was only a small snippet.

913
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.559
I was like, only a small section of that large

914
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.840
deal that they made signed January twenty six. So when

915
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.840
they were trying to criticize Trump for even mentioning the

916
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.480
mineral rights deal, which actually went in Ukraine's favor, it

917
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.480
was a fifty to fifty split of profits that would

918
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.400
have put Americans on Ukraine soil, which in and of

919
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.719
itself would have been a deterrent. But no, everybody didn't

920
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.039
mention that. While the UK was trying to say we're

921
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.320
there to rape the Ukraine and take advantage of them,

922
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.519
no one mentioned this one hundred year deal that the

923
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.159
UK signed that you can actually find on their government website.

924
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.159
Well, at the end of the day, Zelenski was trying

925
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.760
to take a deal that was made, an economic deal

926
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:42.920
that was made, and make it a military deal. And

927
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.679
that's I mean, he tried to blur the lines and

928
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:46.280
he got caught.

929
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.960
No, we know this, and I agree with that statement

930
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.519
is actually very accurate because that's all he has. All

931
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:53.880
he has is the mineral rights to negotiate with everybody

932
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.760
his resources. That is very true. But I'm not going

933
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.480
to sit here and take the criticism of the UK

934
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.800
or France or Europe for things that that they themselves

935
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.039
are going out of their way to make their own

936
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.599
nations rich by creating this relationship with Ukraine.

937
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.440
And they want us. Here's the worst part is they

938
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.079
want us to finance it. Well, yeah, and so we're financing.

939
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.800
We're financing the world's lifestyle, whether it's we can jump

940
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:18.480
into terrafts. Like everyone's like, oh, let's not have tariffs. Well,

941
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.880
somehow we are somehow financing the lifestyle of all these

942
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.840
countries by paying taxes on the goods that you know,

943
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.800
by not having manufacturing here and not buying American and

944
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.320
letting their goods flood our markets for free and so

945
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:38.000
and so we're we in one way or another. You know,

946
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.800
we've talked about USAID, we talked about the you know,

947
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.119
the minerals deal, you start talking about terraffs. What has

948
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.559
happened over the last forty fifty years is that we've

949
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:51.000
started financing all of these other countries their lifestyle and

950
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.719
you know, quite frankly, we're going broke doing it. And

951
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.159
you know, at some level somebody needs to explain to

952
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.760
me or to some body that you know, how we're

953
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:06.440
going to repay nearly forty trillion dollars worth of debt.

954
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.880
We can't. We can't. And and again, as I said earlier,

955
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.239
you know we were funding over two hundred countries every year.

956
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.639
I mean, just just Israel alone. Let's just take them

957
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.679
out here. We've been paying them three I think it's

958
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.559
three or three point two billion minimum every single year

959
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.320
for a long time. That's the minimum. That's not all

960
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:28.840
we pay them, but that's our minimum commitment. That's just

961
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:32.039
one example. Uh, we we send money to two I

962
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.199
think was I keep saying over too hund because I

963
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.639
think it's like two twenty two something, And let me

964
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.119
let me clarify. I mean, yeah, there's a there's like

965
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.840
one hundred and ninety three hundred and ninety four recognized nations.

966
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.119
But then you know, you have this large number of

967
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:46.960
what they call dependencies, like you know, I think it's

968
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:52.760
like fifty five dependencies, plus there's other, uh independent, let's

969
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.320
just call them that, nations that are not necessarily recognized.

970
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.159
So yeah, that's where I'm getting this over two hundred number.

971
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.320
But we do absolutely fun over two high under it.

972
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.320
I'll just say nations in set of countries whatever every year,

973
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.719
and it's ridiculous that that gets overlooked by the rest

974
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.000
of the world. And they know this. That's why they're

975
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.280
scared that Trump is saying no, no, we're not doing this anymore.

976
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.880
We're pulling things back because they don't want to admit

977
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.119
that they've been relying on wet no China.

978
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.639
Money and yet we gave them money towards the death, Like,

979
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.000
how does that make sense?

980
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:26.880
It doesn't. So when it comes to Ukraine, you know,

981
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:31.400
Europe's being very hypocritical because they themselves, Look, they're scared

982
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.119
of Russia, period. They are. They want to admit up,

983
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.679
but they are the only reason other countries started encroaching

984
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.280
on their borders, as Putin tries to say with NATAL membership,

985
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.559
is because they were in fear of Russia. If Russia

986
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:45.639
wasn't who they are, and they didn't fear Russia as

987
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:47.599
a nation, then they wouldn't have all these other countries

988
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.960
trying to become NATO members That's the reality. That's the

989
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.119
one point that everyone glosses over. They try to use

990
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.000
the whole well, you know, Putin warned, if you if

991
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.000
you have another NATO nation coming closer to my border,

992
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.360
then things are going to happen. Yeah, but ask yourself

993
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.840
why they want to become NATO members, Like, what's the

994
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.719
real reason they want to become a native member? They're

995
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.800
not gaining financially, It's because they want to be protected,

996
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.960
protected from whom Russia? So at what point should have

997
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.920
Trump's trying to be diplomatic and state of a large

998
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:16.840
war because we know that this will lead to World

999
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:19.639
War three if it's not handled correctly. But should Trump

1000
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.039
have have been much more stern with Putin from the

1001
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:24.920
get go on this one? You think should should we

1002
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:26.719
have put her foot down and try to step in

1003
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:27.559
earlier about this?

1004
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:29.800
Well, even if you go and you can, we can

1005
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.280
talk about optics, because you know this is the over

1006
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.360
office blow up. Maybe was a one of those fires

1007
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.599
that Trump said, But if you look at that whole

1008
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.280
twenty nine minutes or whatever it was of video footage,

1009
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:44.039
you have to go twelve minutes thirteen minutes in before

1010
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.639
the brew haha started, and during that first ten or

1011
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.360
twelve minutes, you know Donald Trump is like, listen, I've

1012
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.800
got to be tough on both of these guys. I've

1013
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.480
got to be tough, and he's looking at Zelenskia. I

1014
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.719
got to be tough on him, but I got to

1015
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.880
be tough on Putin too, and you know, and he's

1016
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.079
you know, he's like, I'm the one who has to

1017
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.760
be I have to be the bad guy. And so

1018
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.079
it's for people to say that he was choosing a

1019
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:12.239
side there is they just didn't watch the whole thing. Now,

1020
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.840
can you know? The The question is, you know, could

1021
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:18.719
Trump be tougher on Putin? And I'm like, yeah, I

1022
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.599
guess he could, you know, at the end of the day.

1023
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:23.519
But the one thing that we cannot and I think

1024
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.559
you and I agreed on this from a from a

1025
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.679
maybe a higher level. You know, what the world cannot

1026
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:34.119
have is Russia, China and North Korea ally themselves. And

1027
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:39.880
I ran I ran ally themselves in a thought process

1028
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:44.440
of global expansion. And so you know, we already know

1029
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.480
that North Korea has sent more than ten thousand troops

1030
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:52.519
at least last October to the Russia Ukrainian border or

1031
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.800
to battle with Russia. And you know, we don't we

1032
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:59.559
don't really know whether they've sent more or not, but

1033
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.199
we know they said at least ten thousand and so

1034
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.159
you know, there's a fine balance here of what do

1035
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.320
you what's a win? How do you define a win?

1036
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.639
Is a win pushing Russia all all the way out

1037
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.239
of Ukraine? Or is a win not having World War three?

1038
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:18.599
It is a win having.

1039
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:23.559
Long term making long term you know, quote kind of

1040
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:28.239
friendships so that we don't allow Russia, China and North

1041
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:29.559
Korea to ally themselves.

1042
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.679
So I mean, that's a huge problem should that happen.

1043
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:35.639
And so, you know what, so I'm not sure that

1044
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:42.920
anyone in certainly the corporate national media really discusses what

1045
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.480
is a win. They don't and so I don't know

1046
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:48.119
that I have the answer. I'm not sure I'm going

1047
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:49.960
to sit here and say, oh, this is the win

1048
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.480
and this is how we define it, because I think

1049
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.039
that depending on what the strategy is, any of those

1050
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.320
things could be seen as a win. But if you're

1051
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:01.280
if you're talking about taking Russia and rooting them out

1052
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:04.239
of what the land that they've taken in Ukraine and

1053
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.280
pushing them back across the border, that's going to cost

1054
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.440
a lot of lives, and it's going to cost American lives,

1055
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:12.199
and I don't think America is up for it. And

1056
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:13.440
I don't think we should.

1057
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.960
Be Yeah, and I don't think this is kind of

1058
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:22.039
a macro view situation, you know, that's my opinion. This

1059
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.280
is a big picture solution in terms of how we

1060
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:28.840
got to look at this because we the world is

1061
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.760
hating that little Ukraine is getting invaded by big bad Russia, right,

1062
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.039
and nobody wants to see this little sovereign nation get

1063
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.960
taken over. But look, Putin has been saying for I

1064
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:39.960
can't even I don't remember how many years that he

1065
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:42.800
wanted to reunite the old USSR. And even if we

1066
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.239
even if we compromise, let's say there's a compromise in

1067
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.239
this deal and he takes a little piece he already

1068
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:50.880
took Crimea. Everyone kind of turned their backs on that one.

1069
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.559
It's like, yeah, well you know that happened, whatever, And

1070
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:56.159
what's going to stop him from pushing a little bit

1071
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:58.400
more and more and more. You got to realize that

1072
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:00.719
Putin's getting older, this is his legas so he's not

1073
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:05.440
going to stop. But you were correct because I've always

1074
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:07.280
said this. It's funny how China has been kind of

1075
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.239
quiet about this whole thing until recently they're speaking up

1076
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:13.760
a little bit. But they're speaking up about what Russia

1077
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:18.440
and China coming together to bolster Iran and saying, hold on,

1078
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.199
we can't let we can't let the United States go

1079
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.440
in there and try to tell them how to handle

1080
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.360
their nuclear capabilities and et cetera. So now all of

1081
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:29.280
a sudden they're united and they're speaking together as they're

1082
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:31.599
on the same front, right, And it's exactly what you

1083
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.679
just said earlier. We don't need Iran, Russia, and China

1084
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.639
to suddenly come together and decide that they're going to

1085
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.440
become the superpower and start to take over territories. Well,

1086
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:44.320
Russia's already doing it. They're not going to stop. China

1087
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:50.599
has been very very active in the Asia Pacific over there,

1088
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.159
and there they've been. They've been going ahead and trolling

1089
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.880
Taiwan to no end, and even the Philippines. They're not

1090
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.519
going to stop. They're making it very clear that look,

1091
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:02.760
we know the US is distracted here and oh guess what,

1092
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:04.840
now they're over here helping Israel again. They're back over

1093
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.000
in that situation, and they're going to continue these maneuvers

1094
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.320
and continue to test the waters on how far they

1095
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.760
can get with things. It's already been assessed. And analyzed

1096
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.199
by many different analysts, and someone that I know personally

1097
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.360
that has been in the intelligence community and still is

1098
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.400
by the way in officcy services that we are on

1099
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:24.280
a collision course. There's no way around it that by

1100
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:26.679
twenty twenty seven we will be fighting China in some way.

1101
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.840
China has never denied this, and China has been has

1102
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.719
been becoming more and more emboldened in their actions in

1103
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:36.800
what they do. And the thing is China has taken

1104
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.360
American tactics. They've gone to countries, They've dumped tons of

1105
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:41.519
money into say hey, you know, we're gonna help you.

1106
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:47.400
We're gonna build up your infrastructure ahead much water. And

1107
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.559
that's why they're gaining trust with some of these African

1108
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:50.519
nations and etc.

1109
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:51.840
South America.

1110
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:55.840
Yeah, exactly. But but the thing that's going on is

1111
00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:00.000
China has been quiet with the Russia Ukraine situation until now,

1112
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.960
well they're kind of speaking up and coming together with

1113
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.519
Russia to start to say, wait a minute, we're still

1114
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.079
allies and now we've got to stand up for Iran.

1115
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.760
China still hasn't said much about the actual situation between

1116
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.280
Russia and Ukraine, but they but they're popping up their

1117
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.079
head and saying, yeah, we're still an ally. They're letting

1118
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:19.199
the world know, they're letting them know that, hey, we

1119
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.960
never backed off being an ally whatsoever. We're still here.

1120
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.039
And I think when it comes to Ukraine, I think

1121
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:28.719
China is just trying to see how this plays out.

1122
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.000
They want to see how far Russia can get with this,

1123
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:33.599
because that'll set the precedent for how far they can

1124
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:34.320
get with Taiwan.

1125
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.519
You're probably dead on correct, probably.

1126
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:41.880
Right today, wrong tomorrow. You know how it goes.

1127
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.800
There's no question you listen to China is you know.

1128
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.920
I always say that, you know, the way China acts,

1129
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.679
the next big war could be thought over fish. I mean,

1130
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:54.360
they have gotten so good at fishing with satellites and

1131
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.880
people don't realize that they are pilfering. The world sees

1132
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:01.320
on a daily basis for fish, you know, so much

1133
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.159
so that you know, people go out into the South

1134
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:09.079
China Sea and don't come back. Yeah, everybody, And because

1135
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.199
they run across a Russian fishing ship, which also happens

1136
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:18.360
to be Russian military. So so it's a very dangerous shift.

1137
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:21.719
The ship fishing over in And I wish we would

1138
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.280
call it the East Agency for the same reason we

1139
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:29.039
changed the Gulf of America to its name, because we

1140
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.039
don't we shouldn't give China ownership over it.

1141
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:33.039
No, we shouldn't.

1142
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.840
But but that's but that's something I've been arguing for

1143
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:41.440
for a decade. But that's, uh, you know, probably probably

1144
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:42.119
not going to happen.

1145
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:44.639
So it's a crazy world we live in right now.

1146
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:45.079
You know.

1147
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:47.079
I never thought that all this would be happening in

1148
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:49.280
my time. Almost I'm not going to say it is biblical,

1149
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:51.360
but it almost kind of feels like those these things

1150
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.559
you read and you read in Revelations, we already had.

1151
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.960
We already had what we had, the pandemic, you know,

1152
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.760
and now we have these crazy wars going on. We

1153
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.000
it just feels like we're there. I'm not necessarily a

1154
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.800
religious person, but it just seems like it's kind of

1155
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.760
crazy that these things are happening. And I never thought

1156
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.239
i'd see this because it's just so much. It's not like,

1157
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:13.400
you know, one situation that we can handle and the

1158
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.760
world gets behind it. It's like this is happening, here's

1159
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:17.599
this fire, and then, by the way, while that's happening,

1160
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:20.639
here's another one. And then it's just nuts. And I don't.

1161
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:22.320
I'm not really sure how we're going to get out

1162
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:23.880
of this. I just know that the US has to

1163
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.199
be stronger and be able to navigate this correctly. It's

1164
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.079
like what's going on right now. You know, our ships

1165
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:33.000
were attacked by the Hoho thiast period and out there,

1166
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.400
and we're we're striking back, and we should do that.

1167
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.559
But then you know, it also begs a question, well,

1168
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:41.920
what happens if Russia happens to attack Ukraine or happens

1169
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.480
to kill an American accidentally, or whatever the case is.

1170
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.760
I think you're exactly right. None of this happens in

1171
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.760
a vacuum. Which is why Donald Trump had been so

1172
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:57.400
careful about this word, you know, security and agreed and

1173
01:01:57.440 --> 01:02:03.400
so because you know, that's if we if he had

1174
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:07.559
agreed to that one single word, it would have shown

1175
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:11.159
North Korea and China or given them a reason to

1176
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:16.320
escalate and and so you know, so that's that's the

1177
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:18.159
reason why there is a big blow up in the

1178
01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:22.559
Oval Office over that one single word, is that you

1179
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.840
this none of this happens in a vacuum. And so

1180
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.480
you know, people think, oh, we can just open our border.

1181
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.280
That's that doesn't happen in a vacuum. I mean, you know,

1182
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:32.199
look at it. If we weren't have to go to war,

1183
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:34.440
how are we going to browt these folks who are

1184
01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.239
in our country, these Venezuelan gangs out of our country

1185
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:39.960
when all of our men go to young men go

1186
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.920
to war. I mean, it's it's ridiculous to even think about.

1187
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:50.280
And and so it's all it's all bizarro, like you said,

1188
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:51.199
it's just.

1189
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:52.559
It really is.

1190
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.199
I've got to give you a ten minute warning.

1191
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.280
Oh that's fine, Yeah, I know you got you got

1192
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:59.480
other things going on, but before before we get out

1193
01:02:59.519 --> 01:02:59.719
of here.

1194
01:02:59.760 --> 01:02:59.960
Though.

1195
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.360
You know, the thing is that people don't give Trump

1196
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:05.840
credit for when we keep talking about that word security.

1197
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:10.119
People don't understand that Trump knew exactly what ze Linzky meant.

1198
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:12.920
I knew what he meant. Listen, that whole discussion was

1199
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:15.960
actually over fifty minutes. It's like fifty two minutes or whatever.

1200
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:18.760
I watched the entire thing from the beginning because when

1201
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.400
I saw that clip, I'm like, there has to always

1202
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:24.000
be more of the story. And I saw what happened.

1203
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.079
I saw how many times the Linsky mentioned security and

1204
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.760
push back on Trump, and then he offended JD. Vance

1205
01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:33.119
by saying, basically, well, what good is your diplomacy is

1206
01:03:33.159 --> 01:03:35.760
exactly what he said, Your diplomacy needs nothing. He didn't

1207
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.679
say in those same words, but that's exactly what he said.

1208
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:40.960
That was his intent, that's what he meant. And Vance

1209
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:42.960
got mad about that, and then Trump had to stand

1210
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:43.480
up for his face.

1211
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:46.880
And Band's got upset about the pictures of the dead

1212
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.719
children that he pulled them out, and nobody talked about it.

1213
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.079
The corporate meeting never talked about him bringing out these

1214
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:55.360
pictures of dead children, showing the President of the United

1215
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:57.920
States and then trying to show the cameras and all

1216
01:03:57.960 --> 01:03:59.920
this other crap that he was trying to pull inside

1217
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:03.599
the Oval offhas. I mean, it was, it was a stunt.

1218
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:05.719
It was it was bad, but you know, it was

1219
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:06.440
bad advice.

1220
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.960
It was bad advice. But this also goes to show

1221
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:14.440
that the reality is the world the world knows, and

1222
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.719
Trump knows, I mean the world does know. Because this

1223
01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:20.280
is why Europe is in such a tizzy right now.

1224
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.000
Right They're in such a fit because they're not getting

1225
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.280
the immediate response I used to get from our old presidents,

1226
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:28.079
like oh right away, here we go a raw raw

1227
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.719
team whatever, because Trump really understands the power of US

1228
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.159
involvement and what that means to all the other conflicts

1229
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.199
going on in the world right now. He knows it's

1230
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:40.119
a powder keg right, and he and and no matter

1231
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:42.679
what anyone says, he does have good advisors around him,

1232
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:46.079
and he does have to be careful how he handles

1233
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.480
this situation. The US still stands for something, and the

1234
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:51.719
military mind of the US is still the military might

1235
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.719
of the United States of America. And as you alluded

1236
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:56.519
to earlier, or actually what you said earlier when we

1237
01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:01.119
were talking is very true. If he decides to say, yeah,

1238
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.559
we're gonna go get engage here, we're just what's gonna

1239
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.639
stop from China going, hey, look they're you know, they're

1240
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:08.880
they're distracted fight in this war. Let us go ahead

1241
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:10.480
and move forward on what we want to do here

1242
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:14.639
on Taiwan, for example, or Philippines or whatever. And we're

1243
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:16.599
not gonna be able to react. We can't be split

1244
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:21.840
between two great, big, powerful military nations. We just can't.

1245
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.159
So I think the UK you know.

1246
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:29.239
Bad thing I've told people is that let's I don't

1247
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:32.599
I don't like these facts. But the fact is Russia

1248
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:34.440
was our ally during two World Wars.

1249
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:35.559
Yeah, and if we're.

1250
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:39.840
If we're going to if these things are going to escalate,

1251
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.840
quite frankly, it's more likely that Russia is on our

1252
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:48.400
side than China or North Korea and so, and history

1253
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:50.719
would say we're more likely to have Russia on our

1254
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:56.800
side than Germany, and so you know what you know,

1255
01:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.400
So what's a win? I come back to what what's

1256
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.000
what is a win today? What is a win that

1257
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.400
will be seen as a win twenty years from today?

1258
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.039
And I think the only win that is seen when

1259
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:13.199
we look back twenty years from today is were we

1260
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:18.079
able to keep Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea from

1261
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:22.519
allying themselves in this global expansion? And it may be

1262
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:25.559
too far, like you suggested, you didn't suggest this, but

1263
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.239
like you said, China is already out there building infrastructure,

1264
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:34.360
providing water, providing food you know, to give in countries,

1265
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:39.519
learning countries, so you know, and yes, we've been there too,

1266
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.960
but China is no longer sitting on their hands doing nothing.

1267
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:46.599
And these things don't happen in a vacuum.

1268
01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:51.639
Yeah, no, I agree. Look, making America great again is

1269
01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:53.760
gonna hurt. I'm going to bring back MAGA as we

1270
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.199
talked about the beginning, because that's what Trump is trying

1271
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:59.440
to do, and it's not a negative connotation or statement.

1272
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:02.280
It shouldn't be goood is something that's negative for the

1273
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:06.280
great United States of America. I know you got to go.

1274
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:07.880
Do you have like five more minutes to touch on

1275
01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:09.280
the tariff thing or do you have to head out?

1276
01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:11.760
Yeah? I can do five, Yeah, I can do five.

1277
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:13.559
Okay, I'll let you go on the on the on

1278
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.000
the tariff thing, because you were about to say something, uh,

1279
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:17.880
you want to expand on on maybe what was on

1280
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:18.280
your mind?

1281
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.920
What about tariffs? Yeah, yeah, I forget where I was

1282
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:26.360
headed with it. You know, the it's it's another it's

1283
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:30.440
another thing where you know, it's important for people to know.

1284
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:32.559
I know that you know this, but it's important for

1285
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:35.440
people to know that that's reciprocal tariffs. And if you

1286
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.280
want to have your tariffs of goods coming into the

1287
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.840
United States zero, then lower your tariffs of the United

1288
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:47.079
States products coming into your country to zero. And so

1289
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:51.840
what we're what's being exposed here is international hypocrisy. And

1290
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:54.639
everyone's now jumping up and down because they know that

1291
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:58.079
they've had unfair trade practices towards the United States on

1292
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:01.199
you know, it hasn't been broad good. Most of these

1293
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:03.559
things are one or two items per country, you know,

1294
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:07.280
you know, milk and Canada steel, whatever it is. And

1295
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:11.199
so so it's a couple, it's not it's not the

1296
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:15.199
you know, it's not everything. But it's oranges from Brazil,

1297
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:20.000
it's agriculture products from South Africa, you know, or agriculture

1298
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.840
products we get tariffed if we ship them to South Africa.

1299
01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.880
They have zero tariffs coming our way. And so you know,

1300
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.960
what the President said is like, you know, this is easy.

1301
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:33.119
We're going to have. We're going to have a true

1302
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:37.199
free trade. That's that's what's happening. Is if you were

1303
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:40.079
going to te if us at twenty five percent, we're

1304
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.439
going to te if you at twenty five percent. And

1305
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:44.720
you know, if you want to bring it to zero,

1306
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.840
lower it to zero. And it's all even. And so

1307
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:50.640
it's not it's I don't want to say it's not complicated,

1308
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:54.479
but the ball is in these other countries courts and

1309
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:56.920
you know it's up to them to take action.

1310
01:08:57.560 --> 01:08:59.920
Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm in a high

1311
01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:05.840
school drama yard situation, right like, are we adults or are

1312
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:07.479
we really leaders of the free world?

1313
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:07.840
Not us.

1314
01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:09.720
I'm just saying the countries in general, right that what

1315
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:12.680
they were doing. And you know, China there's still a

1316
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:17.680
dictatorship or whatever, but or authoritarian government. But the reality is, yeah,

1317
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:21.079
there reciprocal tariffs. I think makes sense on paper, they

1318
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:25.840
absolutely do. What's what I don't agree with is the

1319
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.720
speed at which these tariffs are being being proposed or

1320
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:33.479
and active because our markets can't adjust that quickly. We

1321
01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:36.039
don't have the manufacturing here in America yet like we

1322
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:38.439
used to, so if we're gonna lose out on a

1323
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:43.239
certain product or a certain commodity, we're not in a

1324
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:46.840
position to make that adjustment quite yet. And I understand

1325
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:48.640
why Trump is using it. He's like, Hey, if we're

1326
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:49.920
gonna do this to me, we're gonna do it to you,

1327
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:51.880
and hopefully, like you said, we'll create that free market

1328
01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:54.079
to where, you know, what's working for either of us.

1329
01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:56.119
We've got to bring him back down. Makes sense. He's

1330
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:58.199
also using it because what he wants to do is

1331
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:01.199
create industry in the United States and wre he's been

1332
01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:03.439
tired of and has spoken about it for many many

1333
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:07.039
years that we should not be offshoring all of our products.

1334
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:09.000
We shouldn't be relying on other countries. And this was

1335
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:12.680
very prevalent during the COVID pandemic when we found out, Hey,

1336
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:14.600
all of our PPEs made by China, and guess what,

1337
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.079
we can't get any Our medications are made overseas and

1338
01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:21.520
we can't get any and crazy. That's the reason that

1339
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:23.840
he was putting these tariffs into places, not just because

1340
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:24.159
he's like.

1341
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:27.720
I only think is you and I agree with you

1342
01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.000
in a very in the very short term. But I

1343
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:35.000
have had and this is not my business, but you know,

1344
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:38.239
I've had conversations with a company from Vietnam that wants

1345
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.079
to relocate to Sarasota, and I don't know where they

1346
01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:46.079
heard from you. I get this call from a site developer,

1347
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:49.920
economic development person, and hey, I now, I was like, Okay,

1348
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:51.760
what does it take. It takes this amount of land

1349
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.039
or this building. If the building exists, we can be

1350
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:57.880
operational in four months. If the building does not exist,

1351
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:03.439
we can be operational in eight months. So it is working.

1352
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:06.640
Like you said, it's you have to turn the ship.

1353
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:11.800
And but any of these things can be I think

1354
01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:16.760
you underestimate the power of American ingenuity and these other

1355
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:22.800
countries' willingness to avoid tariffs, so they're willing to, you know,

1356
01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:27.119
pull up and start to have, you know, manufacturing in

1357
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:32.199
little old Sarasota, Florida within eight months, employing about sixty

1358
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:35.880
people at about seventy thousand dollars per year average. And

1359
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:39.399
you know, that's not a huge, huge manufacturing facility, not

1360
01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:43.439
even for Arisota. But I think it's indicative of probably

1361
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:47.000
what is happening with site developers and people all over

1362
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:49.960
the country and all over the world. People are you know,

1363
01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:52.479
these companies are thinking, Okay, how do I hedge my

1364
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.840
bet with the United States? What if? You know, because

1365
01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.560
they have to think long term. They're like, okay, Trump's

1366
01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.720
here for four years, we have to we have to

1367
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:02.960
suck it up for that. But then what if what

1368
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.159
if Jade Vans or Ronda Santis or another person who

1369
01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:09.560
wants to continue these Trump policies wins the next auction.

1370
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.800
So now they have to think eight twelve years in advance.

1371
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:16.520
And so of course they would want to avoid any

1372
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.039
any terrorists, and they want to avoid the political conflict

1373
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:22.000
and all those things. So I believe it can happen

1374
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:24.800
faster than what than what you predict. But you are

1375
01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:27.520
correct when you say it can't happen immediately.

1376
01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:32.119
Yeah, I well, we're gonna have to define fast because

1377
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:36.720
you know, I buy products that from manufacturers for my

1378
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:39.880
business that are made in Chinese plants and other you

1379
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:43.279
know areas overseas, and I've already gotten I couldn't tell

1380
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:47.319
you how many priceless increase just within this month alone,

1381
01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.479
to be honest. So it's going to affect the markets.

1382
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:53.199
I got to say that. I have to tip my

1383
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:56.079
hat to Apple because once it start started getting announced,

1384
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:59.119
they already they already said, Hey, we're investing five hundred bllion,

1385
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:00.520
we're gonna build a plant here, We're going to bring

1386
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:02.640
it back to the United States. So I agree it

1387
01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:06.479
will shift. You know, America is very very handy, We're

1388
01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:08.600
very ingenious in what we do, and we can make

1389
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:10.880
it work. But it's going to be painful. And I'm

1390
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:12.319
not faulting Trump what he's doing. By the way, I

1391
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:14.520
don't want it. I don't want anybody to hear me

1392
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:17.399
say it, because I don't think his intent is wrong.

1393
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.319
I'm just saying that maybe there should have been a

1394
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:22.880
progressive plan to go. Look, I'm giving you guys fair

1395
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:25.399
warning here, like I'm going to raise it this much now,

1396
01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:27.199
six months later, it's going to be even more, and

1397
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:28.680
then it'll be a little bit more later on.

1398
01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:31.279
I think the markets, I think, you know, our stock

1399
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:34.800
markets are reacting to so much happening so fast. Yeah,

1400
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.319
I think you're right about that. But there's also an

1401
01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:39.239
argument that, like, hey, rip the band aid off and

1402
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:42.359
let it adjust, and by summer there is that, you know,

1403
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:46.359
maybe maybe we're back on track, maybe we're not. Certainly,

1404
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:49.479
the midterm elections will determine, you know, I believe that

1405
01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:52.359
Trump will Republicans will either win or lose thirty to

1406
01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:55.479
fifty seats in the US House. They'll you know, I

1407
01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:58.920
think the US Senate's a little bit more stable both ways.

1408
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.720
It's one or two seats one way or the other.

1409
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:04.800
You know, recent report that just came out recently, as

1410
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:07.760
in I think a day or two ago, that the

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favor towards the Democratic Party is as low as twenty

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seven percent right now.

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But sure, and so either party is going to win

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or lose by thirty you know, the Republican Party would

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win or lose thirty seats. So I want to believe

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that we'll win thirty and there will be a mandate

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for Donald Trump's last two years, but history would suggest

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that that's not the case, and so we'll see. Yeah.

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Well, there's nothing wrong with having a balance from there,

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a balanced Congress anyway.

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To be quite honest, I'd love to come. I'd love

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to come back sometime.

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Yeah, man, I know you got to get going. Well,

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thanks for your time and you will be back.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you definitely well appreciate it, and tell everybody where

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they can find you.

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People. People can find me reasonable arguments dot com. You

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can find all my socials, the book, the schedule, speaking

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all of that at reasonable arguments dot well.

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And beyond that, we're going to have your profile on

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my website and we'll have all your links and they'll

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be able to find you there as well. So as

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soon as this is out, uh, they can find everything

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you need to find out about you right there and

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they'll be able to click on it and go.

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George so much. I've enjoyed it all.

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Right, buddy, Thank you, James. We'll see it as always.

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