Jamie Miller - Russia, Ukraine, China, MAGA, and Tariffs

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You are listening to a Fonds Media Network production, today's

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episode of World Plays. I welcome Jamie Miller. Jamie Miller

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is a political consultant, author and host of the podcast

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Reasonable Arguments. Jamie and I have a very vast conversation

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about what's going on in America and around the world.

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We discussed MAGA and what it means. We also discussed

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importations as well as immigration policies, and we also take

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on some geopolitical relationships as we talk about Russia, Ukraine, China, Iran,

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the EU and not much as left off the table

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in this conversation. So pour your favorite beverage, sit back

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and enjoy this episode. Jamie, thanks for being on and

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making the time trying to Yeah, we're trying to connect

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to your back and forth, and you're busy with your

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show and what you do for living, and then I've

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just been buried myself trying to keep the schedule. But

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as we're discussing earlier, a little bit of a background.

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You are a political consultant, believe that's your day job.

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You're the host of Reasonable Arguments. Actually, how long has

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Reasonable Argument's been on? I just heard your latest episode.

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By the way, I've had a blog or substack for

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over two years, and the podcast I do with my wife.

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She's not political at all, so we kind of have

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this take of breaking it down for the common man

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or people who are interested in in depth political commentary

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because sometimes I go off on tangents. So we've been

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doing that since the beginning of December. So we're about

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twenty five or thirty episodes in. We do two a week, so.

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Yeah, that's a pretty good amount of time to try

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to even get one episode a week these days. I mean,

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if you don't have that big Spotify contract anyway.

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Right, Yeah, no, I do not, you know, from your

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mouth to God's ears, just like everybody else, right.

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Yeah, we got to work for it, working harder.

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Yeah.

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So uh And then briefly before we get moving, because

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I know that you wanted to touch on one of

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the episodes I did, and which was about what does

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maga meine, right, or what does it mean to you

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and how does it make you feel versus what the

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basically what the media is telling you it's supposed to mean,

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and what the leftist part of your Democrat party is

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trying to make you believe maga actually means like getting

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away from the meaning of itself. And I remember you

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brought that up and it made me think more about

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it too, because like, yeah, you know, I have my

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opinion on it, and a lot of people don't understand.

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I think it just got away from the word, right,

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like make America Great Again is really what it stood for.

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Yet it just turned into this bad name right that

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that you just there's a bad name that you just

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wear like a badge on your chest if you're considered

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a conservative or Republican. And I'm not really sure where

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you stand. I know, I know you hadn't a pinage.

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Yeah, to be honest with you, I've kind of it's

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been a little like you said, it's been a little while,

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but you know, I do think that there's, you know,

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in the Republican Party since Goldwater, which was nineteen sixty four,

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you know, before I was even born, we've you know,

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the Republican Party has gone through I don't want to

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say a reform or a growth period, like about every

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ten to fifteen years. You had kind of a growth

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period with Reagan or influx of new people, and then

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you had it again in nineteen ninety four with Newt

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Gingrich again in twenty ten with the Tea Party, a

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little bit of a shorter period twenty sixteen with Trump,

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and then again I think in twenty twenty four with Trump.

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So and I think the twenty sixteen and twenty twenty

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four movements were slightly different. And you know, I don't

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know if they're MAGA or America First or Republican. I think,

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you know, we're in this moment where everybody's trying to

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figure that out. You know, I don't think that. To

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me personally, I don't think maggot is a negative term.

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I think there are people who use it as a

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slang term, like people use rhino as a slang term.

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So it's you know, and I don't. I don't like

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that term either, you know. Or people will say, oh,

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your establishment or you know, and I just look at

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people and say, hey, listen, I've got thirty years of

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my life that I've dedicated to the Republican Party. I

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believe in what we've done, you know, in the conservative movement.

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You know, I've made it my job so much so

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that I believe in this so much that I've staked

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my ability to put my kids through college, you know,

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based upon my political beliefs, and to those who are

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new to the party or movement, whatever you want to

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call it, I always say welcome, just welcome, you know.

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And I kind of really got involved in nineteen ninety four,

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and I was the same way. I kind of came in.

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I'm here, I'm here, I'm here to fix it. Now

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it's my way or the highway. And you learn very

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quickly then in politics, very few things are my way

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or the highway. And if you want to, if you

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really want to be a part of the change, you

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figure out how to change those things from within. And

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I feel like I've had a pretty good career of

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doing just that. One example is just Florida elections law.

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Election law we have probably, and I think this is

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a good use of the word liberal, we probably have

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the most liberal ballot access in the world in Florida.

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It's the easiest state in the nation to get on

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the ballot, it's the easiest place to vote, but it's

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also the most secure voting that happens in the world.

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And you know, I've had a like I've had a

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small part in that transformation over the last twenty five years,

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especially you know, after the recount.

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So I'll be up front. I have a long history

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not in politics like you. You know, it was never

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public facing or in a position where I had to

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be in politics like you were as a consultant or whatnot,

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are working directly for example, the Republican Party or whatnot

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like you did in Florida. But I will say that

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being in California, you're kind of indoctrinated or pushed into

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being a Democrat from your youth. And I remember going

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to school and it was like every teacher automatically it's like, well,

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you got to vote Democrat. It's it's just a better

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way to go. They care about the people, et cetera.

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And I'll say, back back in that time, it kind

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of rang true at one point, and I think the

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Democrat Party got so far away from what they are

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that it just pushed people towards that sentiment or statement

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of MAGA, because I what happened is people wanted to

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get America back, period. But just because it's Trump in

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charge or it's not the Conservative Party Republican Party that's

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in charge of Congress for the most part, right now,

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everybody now hates that word magan. They're trying to make

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it stand for something else than what it really was,

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which was really getting the country back to what to

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its roots and what it really is supposed to be.

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And if that is considered ultra conservative these days, then

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so be it. I think it just wasn't making sense

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for a long time, and the Democratic Party just lost

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lost everything. And all they have now is just slinging

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names and insults at the at their the opposing party,

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to try to make themselves, you know, relevant, not saying

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that they lost all power. In general, they still have connections,

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but you know, I think this was the whole thing

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was a big gut check to America, especially to the

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Democratic Party. And the fact that a statement like make

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America Great Again would insult you just never made sense

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to me. I remember talking to one of my friends

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who was a hardcore leftist and good person too. It's just,

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you know, that's just where they lean, not a problem,

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but they were a fin by hat I was wearing

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one day, I could have had an American flag on it. It

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was really wine bottles that it was from winery, so

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it was all wine bottles, but it was she was

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a fend body that, by the heck, cause it just

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had the flag and right away. She called me trumpy,

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and I'm like, how does the American flag in your

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mind mean just Trump and not standing for the country

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in which you live in? Like why why would that?

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I had a.

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Similar experience right here in Ruby Red, Sarasota, Florida, you know,

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at breakfast where you know, a waiter took offense to

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I was about to you know, I went to breakfast

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with my parents and the family and a good number

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my wife's family lives here, so and you know, I

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was wearing gonna go out on the boat afterwards, and

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had an American flag baseball cap on, and the waiter,

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you know, mouthed off to me about you know, well

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you have no you have no right to wear that

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in here. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

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Like what and who? Who are you to speak to

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anybody that way much, you know, much less a customer

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of your business to of what they're what they're wearing.

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Like it wasn't It wasn't like I was wearing curse words.

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It was a simple red, white and blue truckers at

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with an American flag on it. And it was bizarre.

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I get it. It's crazy. So anyway, here we are

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now and what people feel to understand is Trump has

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always been historically a Democrat until he ran for the

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presidency in twenty sixteen. Suddenly all the Democrats hated him,

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and then he leaned more conservative. And you know, you

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can see in his cabinet alone, like it's a mixture.

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It's not all just it's not all just hardcore conservatives

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for example. I mean Tulca Gabbert came over because she

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was disappointed in the party at the time. You got RFK.

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Now they're in charge. I mean, so there's a mixture

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of personalities and beliefs, which I think is a good

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way to balance everything out. So there's a method to

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my madness here. And how I'm asking you questions, by

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the way, because I want to try to push things

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a bit and I just want I want to get

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opinions from somebody who's who's been part of the Conservative

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Party for a very long time that can probably answer

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some questions and says some things straight. One of the things,

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one of the things that that I don't like, okay, firstly,

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is is everybody now asking, first off, making America great

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again is a bad thing, which is ridiculous. Put in

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America first is a bad thing. Whatever. We can get

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to the geopolitical ramifications of some of these decisions all

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we want, and there are those, and we can we

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can tackle those down the road. But the reality is, yeah,

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we should have been put in our country first a

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long time ago. So here's the question that everybody keeps asking,

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and I keep thinking about this, and I'm I'm fine

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with it. But you know, you always see on social media,

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hey did you get what you voted for? Are you

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happy with with what you got? And I got to

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ask you, I mean, what what do you think so far? Personally?

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You know, there's some things that scratch you scratch your

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head about and then and there's other things that are

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happening that we've been fighting thirty or forty or more

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years for, and so you know, so, yes, this is

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what I voted for. You know, I voted for, you know,

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stopping the lush fund at USAID. That has been a

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political I call it the Political Consultants Foreign Travel Act.

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I mean, that's everybody has known, but from both sides

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of the party, both parties that if you're a mid

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level congressional staffer and your congressman dies gets voted out

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of office, retires whatever, you can go over to USAID

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and get a job, you know, to land for twelve

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eighteen months, travel the world and then come back and

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you know, find another congressman, you know, or you know,

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you go over there and you stay ten years. You know.

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I encourage people to just go to their own LinkedIn

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and type in USAID and start looking at the at

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the backgrounds of the people who pop up, who you

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may know, who somehow are involved with you as a

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us ID. I did that in the first ten popped up.

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One was a lifelong person twenty five years, committed to whatever.

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But the other, you know, there was there was one

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Republican and then there were about eight people from the

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Obama administration who are just planted over there for over

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a decade. And so you know, we've been paying for

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these folks to travel the world, first class travel. You know,

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they do, travel to the hinterlands, take pictures with school

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children and say they're carrying democracy to the world. And

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in a way that is possibly good. But we also

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have to look at our We have to take a

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long look in the mirror and say we're going two

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trillion in debt per year and one trillion of that

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is just to manage the debt, and so that is unsustainable.

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We are the most debt ridden country in the world.

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The only other country that comes close per capita or

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per you know, budget to debt is Germany, and you

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know which is you know, the second largest economy in

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the world. But there's no other no other country comes

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close to the amount of debt they're carrying with compared

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to their budget. You know, our we go twenty we go.

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Our budget is one hundred and twenty seven percent over budget.

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So we collect one hundred coins and we spend one

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hundred and twenty seven every year, year in and year out,

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we're twenty seven percent over budget.

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a long time ago.

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I mean, you know. And the argument is, oh, you

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can carry some debt, just like you know, your home

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mortgage is debt, and yeah, for sure, but you can't

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continue to not pay off the debt. You have to

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pay off your house. You have to you have to

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continue to make payments on it. You don't make you

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don't make zero payments on your debt and and or

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or put your debt on your credit card. You don't

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put your mortgage payment on your credit card. So and

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that's what we're doing. And everybody's like, oh, we're fine

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with it. It's fine, and it's not fine. It's not

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going to be fine, and it's going to be it's

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going to you know, at what point do we tell

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the Chinese okay you can you can drill for oil

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in the Everglades, or drill for oil in you know,

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Yosemite National Park or whatever, Yellowstone? You know what, how

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do we pay them off? I don't know, Like it's

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it's baffling because people will say, you know, I look

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at our assets. Our assets are over you know, six

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trillion dollars if you look at the interstates and bridges

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and all these other things. I'm like, yeah, great, are

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you going to sell off those assets to pay the

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Chinese when the bill comes due? And the answer is no,

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you're not.

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Well they shouldn't anyway.

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I don't know how you do it. I guess you

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put a toll road everywhere. But yeah, you know, but

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you know, but who's going to want to do? You know, listen,

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we became a country over tax on tea. I can't

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imagine them. You know, Americans say okay, we're going to

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allow a bunch of toll roads to pay off the Chinese.

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So this doesn't make any sense.

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In California is there's a toll on every freaking road.

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It seems like every bridge lane, you name it. Ridiculous

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out here. Okay, maybe on over, maybe on over exaggeray,

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but but not necessarily. I mean, if you're out in

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the Bay Area, there's it's literally about that bad.

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whole USA i D thing or USAID because for the

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most part, people have been woefully ignorant, Like this information

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has not necessarily been secret, it's been public. People just

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never looked. No one cares.

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Nobody, well nobody as long as things are going well,

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nobody cares exactly, so you know, we're But the truth

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of the matter is, you know that's USA I D

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is an easy target because everybody knows that that's kind

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of a slush fund of the political class, and you know,

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they that's just what it is. I mean, everybody kind

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of not that they're not doing jobs, not that their

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jobs aren't good things, but it's just everybody knows that

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they're not jobs that have to happen, you know, or

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or if they had to happen, they would be under

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a secretary level position, and which is what is going

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to happen, is they're going to go under the secretary

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of State and a US Senate confirmed position. And you know,

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they're like, oh, well, we need to take So what

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what Democrats would argue is USA I D is you know,

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kind of step shot of the of the secretary of State, right,

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but it's governed by politicians, not by a US Senate confirmed,

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you know, cabinet level position, and so so you know

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who's actually who's actually running it.

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And where's the oversight, where's the oversight, and.

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So it's a way for its lower sights, not in

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the executive branch for sure.

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So I think that people are freaking out because say

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what you will about Trump, he's unorthodox, he does he

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does do things. He beats to his own drum for sure.

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Now what you got to realize, well you do, but

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most people don't, is he's got four years. He's intent

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on getting things done. He's not going to be president again.

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This is it for him. So he's not holding back

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this time. First time around, I think he was getting

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his foot and he trusted people, maybe got steered a

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little wrong, and what you said earlier when we started talking,

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I agree with Like, there's some things where I shake

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my head and I'm like, I get it. I understand

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where you're coming from, what you're trying to do, but

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maybe this isn't the right approach. But I also understand

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overall what he wants to do, and that's trying to

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turn things around. So his decisions are very sudden. It

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gave people no time. They thought, you know, oh, it's

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going to be this way forever, and if they do

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make a change, it's not going to be that easy.

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Well bullshit. Trump said, yeah, it will be. I'm making

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it that easy. He's right away just going we're doing

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this and people don't know what to do. And you know,

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when it comes to when it comes to things like

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you know, USAID, people were living off of that, I

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mean the money that they were getting for funding for

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some bullshit operation that they were conducting in some foreign

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land which never really existed. I mean, they're getting called

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out on it, and they don't like it because their

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income has just been taken from them for doing what

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exactly absolute nothing. You know, any other company, if you're

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top heavy, you've got too many people doing the same thing.

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What do you start doing? You start cutting them. It's

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like you said, somebody positions should be like secretary level, right,

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or there should be under positions. There's no reasons some of.

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These functions will come back, you know. Yes, aways functions

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are are things, you know, because if we don't fill

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the void, the Chinese will, and we can't have that either.

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But it should be more strategic. It should be part

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of our overall foreign policy, not just a separate organization

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that has to be throwing money around.

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When it comes to global relationships, when we're talking about

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geopolitical relationships. Yes, we can't let the Chinese step in

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as a superpower, but we still can't deny that we

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need to trim the fat on USID. There was a

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lot of things going on that absolutely we're not being

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accounted for, and we're absolutely being used, as you said,

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a slush fund for just nobody even knows what, to

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be honest, nobody even knows what. So it's shocking everybody

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right now, but it had to happen. It had to happen,

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and we're on a downward spiral for the last twelve

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thirteen years minimum, you know, I know, it goes back

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from further. I'm sure we can recall more than I can.

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Well, for those who you know, to kind of revisit

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one of the things that you said, you know, for

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those who you know who have that head scratching moment

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with Donald Trump, I like to say that in twenty

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twenty Trump lost the election. We can argue whether it

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was real or not, but he lost the election there

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the because he two things. One is, he practiced the

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politics of subtraction. And number two, people voters did not

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like the fires that he set. And you fast forward

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to twenty twenty four and Donald Trump started practicing the

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politics of addition. And you mentioned Tulca Gabrick, Robert F. Kennedy,

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Elon Mosk, Marco Rubio. You can go down the list.

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All those are politics of addition. And they The second

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thing is they elected Donald Trump in twenty twenty four

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because he leads us through fire and they and they

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now realize they are willing to accept the fires he sets.

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And this is what Democrats, I don't think understand is

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that they're like, Donald Trump set another fire, and Americans

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are like, good, good, right, because you know what, we

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know he can lead us through and so you know,

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he'll either put out the fire or will march or

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we'll march our asses right through it, and so so.

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And that's I think the fundamental difference between Donald Trump

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and his first term and his second term are those

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two things that the American public has accepted the fires

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he sets for, But he's also practicing the politics of addition.

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I think, I think what this is what I've been

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saying about Trump for a while, and what I think

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people miss is he's not stupid. A lot of what

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he does is intentional. And what I think he does,

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he says outlandis stuff on purpose. He knows he's going

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to get a reaction. But I feel this is what

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he does. He's stressed, testing the situation. He's like pecking

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at that glass with with with a pick to see

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where where it starts to fracture. And once he sees

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where that fracture is, that's when he just goes all

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in on it. He's he's challenging the narrative and he's

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challenging the way people think. I don't think that everything

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he says he actually believes. I mean, do you really

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think he wants to take on Greenland?

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Really? No?

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He's being a troll. Does he really want to take Canada?

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Harry S. Truman tried to buy Greenland. I know that

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this is not a new it's not a new piece

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of political dirt that we've decided as in our best

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interest to own.

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Truman did make an offer and it was rejected, and

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Greenland did not want to become part of the US,

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and you know, as I know, they still don't. That's fine,

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but the reality is Trump is stress test in the situation.

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He wants to see what a catch.

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My only point by bringing up Truman is that it's

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it's not some bizarre out of left field. That's not

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It's been around. You know, We've had presidents talk about

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it or you know, if they could have done it,

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they would have, you know, because it's it's been in

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our best interest for a long time. And you know,

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like one of our joint chiefs of staff said, you know,

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we have to make sure that these guys don't try

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to fight a war with dog sleds, and that's you know,

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we have to. We have we have shipping lanes that

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are opening up in that part of the world, and

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there's a lot of American interests that need to be protected,

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and you know, having some level of strategic defense with

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Greenland would be beneficial to the United States.

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Absolutely, it's militarily strategic, militarily strategic, and also strategic in

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his resources. But I think in modern times, look to me,

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the lines have been set, borders drawn, whatever, and even

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Greenland's not entirely independent and they want to be. But

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the reality is I think just creating a relationship with them,

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a close knit relationship, is probably the better way to

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move forward. My opinion, I may be wrong, but that's

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just why I see it, But still stand by what

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I said. I think Trump is just literally stress testing

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situation to see how people react before he moves forward

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on something. But you know, that's gonna take me to

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two other things, because you know, first off, just because

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you did talk about this recently on one of your shows,

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and I've I've talked about it also, and we both

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had lawyers, you know, to go over it is the

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immigration debacle, I call it, you know, the deportations. Also,

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we're learning how immigrants have been taken advantage of the

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system knowingly, how companies have been taken advantage of the

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system knowingly. What do you what do you have to

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say to people who are up in arms over the

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fact that he even mentioned deporting people.

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I don't even understand how you when you have going

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back to Carter, going back to JFK, have all deported people,

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especially people who are criminals. So so there's a there's

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a baseline, you know, Barack Obama, you know, deport you know, like,

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it's just ridiculous. It's it's a ridiculous comment of people

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who are who are either don't care or unknowledgeable about

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the past, or they're just so partisan that they're going

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to be against anything President Trump wants to do, you know, Joe,

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But it's all a bunch of horseshit really, I agree

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with you, and so you know, it's not a it's just,

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you know what, not to deport people at all is ridiculous,

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Like that's just every president has deported people. So it's

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not you know, the question is and I had somebody on,

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you know, on my Twitter feed just I was like,

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how many is too many to let them? We still

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let in. We legally allow one point one million people

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in a year. Legally that's the legal process. And most

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people who are experts in immigration would say that number

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probably needs to be cut in half to five to

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six hundred thousand per year, and yet people on the

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left will not even give you a number of what

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it should be. It's like, should we allow a billion

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people in a year? Should like if we could open

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up our doors and allow a billion people move here,

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a billion people would move here. But that's obviously not sustainable.

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Or you know, we've you know, just in this last

476
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.799
influx under Bien with the ten to twenty million, whatever

477
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:23.440
the number ends up being, that he let in, we

478
00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:27.200
started having, you know, a housing crisis in every corner

479
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:31.000
of this country, an affordable housing crisis. And it's because

480
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:35.000
we let too many people in too fast, and Democrats

481
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.160
quite frankly don't care. And for them to stand and

482
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:40.319
say they care for you know, working class Americans or

483
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.359
poor Americans is just flies in the face of anything

484
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.240
that is reasonable when they know that they have caused

485
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.599
this problem, They've caused this affordable housing problem, they've caused

486
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:54.480
the problem where Americans can't get work if they're trying,

487
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.599
they're at the if they're especially if they're at the

488
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.400
you know, starting level in their career, their high school

489
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.759
graduate or high school dropout or god, forbid somebody's been

490
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.359
to prison. You know, we you know, we kind of

491
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.559
look at felons as gosh, you know, they just can't

492
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:13.200
they just can't work anywhere. Well, fifty percent of felons

493
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.279
never go back to prison, so you know, they they

494
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.920
they committed their crime, they did their time, and now

495
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.519
they're back out working. And so we have and so

496
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:25.640
one guest on our podcast said, you know, it's kind

497
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.200
of like, you know, how many people are in the

498
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.160
waiting room to accept the job. If a single mother

499
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:31.880
is like, I need to get off work at three

500
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.480
and you know, to pick up my kids from school.

501
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.319
If the employer is looking at six other people in

502
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.839
the waiting room for that same job and that person's

503
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.000
willing to work till five, any one of them is

504
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.920
willing to work till five and they're qualified, the employer

505
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.839
is going to choose the person work till five. But

506
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.039
if there's nobody in the waiting room, the employers more

507
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:56.039
likely to say, you give power to the employee, and

508
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.920
Democrats have taken that power away from from workers.

509
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.240
Yeah, the thing that boggles me is that it's it's

510
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:07.240
okay for every other major country to protect their borders

511
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:11.000
except for the United States somehow. I mean, you can't51200:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.480



just walk across the borders to China. Obviously not in51300:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.519



North Korea either, but you know you can't do that51400:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.880



in Russia either. They're all gonna protect their borders. Every51500:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.799



country does this open border policy that seems to be51600:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.680



like a virus that's spreading across the world, for example,51700:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.039



because if we look at what we consider the free51800:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.720



world or the Western nations, you know it starts here51900:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.799



and it all came from this. I don't know, this52000:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.279



bullshit argument of pulling on your moral heartstrings because hey,52100:27:41.920 --> 00:27:44.119



you know what about the children. Oh you're gonna deport52200:27:44.200 --> 00:27:46.000



You're gonna deport the parents, but leave the child here,52300:27:46.079 --> 00:27:47.839



or are you gonna take the child from from from52400:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.880



the parents. It's like, we can have a moral argument52500:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.960



all you want, but these parents willingly made the decision52600:27:55.039 --> 00:27:56.920



to put their child in that position.52700:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.000



And that's not even true. The children can be deported52800:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.079



with their parents. It's just a it's just a p52900:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.599



argument to say, oh I shouldn't deport the parent. No,53000:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.240



that's not true that the child can can go with.53100:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.240



We're America is not responsible for keeping the family together.53200:28:12.559 --> 00:28:16.079



Think about it this way, you know, when single mom53300:28:16.359 --> 00:28:20.079



goes to prison, we don't send our children with her.53400:28:20.319 --> 00:28:22.000



No, absolutely not think about that.53500:28:22.240 --> 00:28:26.279



So when when you know, dad goes and robs a bank,53600:28:27.160 --> 00:28:29.920



we don't send his children to prison with him. So53700:28:30.319 --> 00:28:35.880



these criminals, why why would why would we? It just53800:28:35.960 --> 00:28:37.079



doesn't make any sense.53900:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.799



I know, I'm on your side here, I'm just you know,54000:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.920



just pointing out that argument they always trying to make54100:28:41.960 --> 00:28:44.640



to make everybody feel bad about that decision of upholding54200:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.599



our law, and it's just propaganda's bullshit. But you know,54300:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.839



like recently the story that just happened about the kid54400:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.880



that needed the surgery for her brain cancer, and it's like,54500:28:53.960 --> 00:28:56.920



oh wait, the US is kicking them out when they54600:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.119



need this care and they deport them back over to54700:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.720



Mexico where there's get in the care. And in that situation,54800:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.039



you know, it's a little tricky. To me, it's a54900:29:06.079 --> 00:29:07.839



matter of timing. I personally would have said, okay, well55000:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.160



let's give the child the care, but when that child's55100:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.240



care is done, they're going back, right. It's the way55200:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.599



I see it as some kind of a compromise. But55300:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.720



if we're always going to be upheld to some to55400:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.839



some insane moral argument that they just reach back out55500:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.039



into this large cave of well, okay, let me grab55600:29:28.079 --> 00:29:29.839



this one and throw it at the conservatives right now55700:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.440



and say, look, you can't do this because little Johnny55800:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.279



over here just scraped his knee and he's bleeding and55900:29:35.440 --> 00:29:37.279



we can't move him right now because he doesn't feel56000:29:37.279 --> 00:29:38.960



good about himself with that. That's a bunch of crap.56100:29:39.079 --> 00:29:43.400



Well, and the you know, birthright citizenship is bullshit, you know,56200:29:44.359 --> 00:29:48.759



you know, the jurisdiction whereas clause of the fourteenth Amendment56300:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.319



was interpreted to in the long case of I think56400:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.440



it was eighteen ninety eight, maybe eighteen ninety six that56500:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.920



the US Supreme Court case was interpreted to be birthright56600:30:00.960 --> 00:30:05.359



and citizenship. And so, you know, an any as we know,56700:30:05.480 --> 00:30:11.680



any US Supreme any constitutional or amendment the Constitution, anytime56800:30:11.880 --> 00:30:15.559



there's an interpretation through a US Supreme Court case, that56900:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.519



interpretation can then be changed. And so I hope the57000:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.519



US Supreme Court looks at birthright citizenship because we have57100:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.160



been invaded, and we have been invaded, and everyone's like, oh,57200:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.279



it's not an occupying army. The hell it's not. These57300:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.079



Venezuelan gangs are an army. They may not be at57400:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.240



war with our government, but they are at war with America.57500:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.880



They're at war with our way of life. And the57600:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.880



fact that they came they didn't they came here to57700:30:44.000 --> 00:30:50.000



do harm, to occupy our land, and to say then57800:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.640



that if their children are born here that they're citizens.57900:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.799



Nobody would say that if if in World War Two,58000:30:56.960 --> 00:31:01.519



if Germany had had stormed our land and gotten to58100:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.119



the United States and had children, that those children somehow58200:31:05.240 --> 00:31:08.759



would be US citizens. There's not a reasonable person who58300:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.640



thinks that's correct. And yet somehow people have bought into58400:31:14.680 --> 00:31:19.119



this belief that just you know, Chinese citizens are flying58500:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.319



here to have babies. You have this problem in California58600:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.920



big time. You know, are flying to especially California, having58700:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.160



babies so their babies have dual citizenship, and flying them58800:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.160



back to have them raised as Communists so they can58900:31:33.240 --> 00:31:38.839



then infiltrate our country as citizens twenty thirty years from now.59000:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.960



And how that makes no sense. It makes no sense59100:31:41.960 --> 00:31:42.960



that we would allow that.59200:31:43.279 --> 00:31:50.599



Yeah, but that's a that's egregiously taken advantage of a law,59300:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.839



a law which has been grossly misinterpreted interpreted. So on59400:31:54.920 --> 00:31:59.559



know why I said dated by interpreted because if you're59500:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.720



a diplomt met for example, for another country, or if59600:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.359



you're visiting, you know, as a representative of a large59700:32:04.359 --> 00:32:08.160



company and you're traveling around. If you have let's say you,59800:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.279



for example, if you went to France on vacation, you59900:32:10.279 --> 00:32:12.119



had a kid. As your kid now a French citizen.60000:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.759



Would you're absolutely be a Russian citizen, Would it be60100:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.240



a Greek citizen? No, it doesn't work that way. If60200:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.359



you happen to have the child in whatever land, it60300:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.880



does not automatically make you a citizen. Now there are60400:32:22.920 --> 00:32:24.839



there's a caveat to that you're supposed to be able60500:32:24.839 --> 00:32:26.519



to live in this country for X amount of years.60600:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.559



I think it was changed to fourteen years or something60700:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.799



like that is what it was supposed to be, and60800:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.119



you have to live here for a certain amount of time.60900:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.559



You have to prove that you have an allegiance to61000:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.599



the United States. I mean, it's not just as simple61100:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.319



as saying I had a kid here, thank you very much.61200:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.119



Have to be allegiant to the United States. Absolutely. Now61300:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.319



we can have a debate, because I don't, but I61400:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.880



think the debate that is legitimate is around the word allegiant.61500:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.119



You know what does it mean to be allegiant to61600:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.160



the United States, Well, it means that you are not61700:32:57.359 --> 00:33:01.559



allegiant to another country. We have members of Congress who61800:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.640



who brad that they are more allegiant to other countries61900:33:05.920 --> 00:33:06.920



than to the Unity.62000:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.200



That should not be that, that should not be at all.62100:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.839



They should be allowed to vote. That's that's someone who62200:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.799



should not be a citizen, should not be a voter.62300:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.920



They damn sure should be allowed to serve in the62400:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.039



US House of Representation.62500:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.160



And just call it out like illin Omar should not62600:33:19.279 --> 00:33:21.200



be in Congress. She needs to be removed.62700:33:21.240 --> 00:33:21.920



Absolutely not.62800:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.119



She is working on behalf of she's not.62900:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.680



She's not. If you're not allegiant to the United States,63000:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.279



you're not qualified to be a member of Congress. You're63100:33:29.319 --> 00:33:32.279



not qualified to be a voter. You're not qualified to63200:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.079



be a voter if you are not allegiant to the63300:33:35.160 --> 00:33:35.759



United States.63400:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.279



I still can't understand how someone like that was able63500:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.880



to even get on the ticket and be considered for63600:33:42.640 --> 00:33:43.599



public office.63700:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.160



Well that's how much. That's how much immigration, legal and63800:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.079



illegal we've had that have that have formed in one place,63900:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.920



that that you know that those voters are not allegiant64000:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.839



to the United States. Quite frankly, they're electing someone who64100:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.920



is not allegiant, and I don't even understand it, Like64200:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.480



it's it's bizarre that we are in that we even64300:34:05.559 --> 00:34:06.599



have this discussion.64400:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.159



I'm not I'm not gonna stick on on on illhound64500:34:10.199 --> 00:34:11.679



for too long, but I'm just gonna say that I64600:34:11.719 --> 00:34:12.960



did do a deep dive on her in one of64700:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.159



my episodes, and I know who her father was and64800:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.599



who he who he was serving at the time, who64900:34:20.719 --> 00:34:25.159



was a known terrorist, authoritarian terrorist to their own people,65000:34:25.840 --> 00:34:31.360



and she came here and she has since been here,65100:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.800



has always gone out of her way to demean the65200:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.719



United States, to demean our way of life for culture people,65300:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.519



and has even been caught on camera multiple times, even65400:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.760



on her X feed, stating how she's working on behalf65500:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.280



of the Somali people and how is that nobody else65600:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.920



in Congress is taking action against this and holding her.65700:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.639



I mean, it is just ridiculous. It's ridiculous that she's65800:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.800



still allowed to serve. And you know, I'm just gonna65900:34:55.840 --> 00:34:57.519



leave it there. I can go a lot deeper, but66000:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.280



I just wanted to since since her name came up up, well,66100:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.920



I brought it up. I just wanted to make that point.66200:35:03.159 --> 00:35:05.440



I just so there you go.66300:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.719



Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. So before we move off this66400:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.199



immigration thing, though, you mentioned something about, you know, how66500:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.239



we're losing jobs to immigration. And one of the lawyers66600:35:17.280 --> 00:35:20.079



I had on she was very savvy on basically the66700:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.320



work visas programs like the H one B, H two A,66800:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.400



et cetera. And she explained a lot of that and66900:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.639



how that worked and how companies are using that. Now.67000:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.039



She was really going out of her way to explain67100:35:31.119 --> 00:35:32.679



it to me. And we're trying to keep it objective67200:35:32.719 --> 00:35:34.880



and non non political, because I just wanted to get67300:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.639



the information. And you had a little bit of the67400:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.880



similar experience with one of your recent episodes too. I67500:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.519



just listened to that one, by the way, and that67600:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.760



particular lawyer with Mark, I believe it was Mark. It67700:35:47.800 --> 00:35:51.400



was the one you just released that Mark yet Mark,67800:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.039



and he made some similar points. He didn't dive too67900:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.320



deep on the H two b's and how those work68000:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.280



were the H two A. But from your understanding, how68100:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.760



do you view that these immigrants under these statuses are68200:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.239



taking jobs from American citizens?68300:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.599



So, and I'm just trying to look at my notes68400:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.119



because I wanted to say it correctly because it is,68500:36:17.360 --> 00:36:19.920



you know. But let's just say the one program that68600:36:19.960 --> 00:36:27.360



Mark Grekorian mark is the he's the founder of the68700:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.199



Center of Immigration Studies. And if you're looking for immigration information,68800:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.960



the Center of Immigration Studies website is a wealth. There's68900:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.480



so much you can lose yourself for days in there.69000:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.840



But the way he described it was that, and it's like,69100:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.079



you can't blame work, you can't blame employers. But what69200:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.719



we do is we bring people on student pieces and69300:36:49.800 --> 00:36:58.519



then we incentivize the worker the work the employer to69400:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.360



hire someone who, let's say in the tech industry. So69500:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.800



when they graduate from college, the employer will seek out69600:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.519



someone who's on a student visa because they don't have69700:37:12.599 --> 00:37:18.000



to pay Social Security. Neither the employee nor the employer69800:37:18.800 --> 00:37:23.440



pays Social Security tax on that employee for a period69900:37:23.440 --> 00:37:27.639



of three years. And so we are putting all of70000:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.079



our students at an immediate disadvantage in every field, engineering,70100:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.480



every stem field when they're going up against students from70200:37:37.639 --> 00:37:41.960



other countries, because you know, they immediately have an advantage70300:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.679



because of the employers who hire them get a tax advantage.70400:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.159



So we're saying to our own American and we you know,70500:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.440



we're subsidizing not only that student visa, but we're subsidizing70600:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.000



the American kids who are in the university. Then we're saying, oh,70700:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.519



not only we're going to subsidize your education, but we're70800:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.840



going to make it put you in as advantage to70900:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.320



getting a job to compared to the foreign worker or71000:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.559



the foreign students. So, I mean, it's ridiculous some of71100:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.960



these tax incentives that we have in place. And and71200:38:12.039 --> 00:38:16.679



like Mark said, you really can't blame the employer because71300:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.800



that's the system. You know, an employer is based on71400:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.000



making money. And so if I can hire, if they're71500:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.440



both equal, I'm gonna hire the one who's gonna save71600:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.679



me ten percent in taxes or whatever that percentage is71700:38:26.719 --> 00:38:31.239



in taxes and call it a day. And the reasoning71800:38:31.320 --> 00:38:33.519



behind it the you know, if you want to do71900:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.559



Devil's Advocate, the reason behind it is, well, you know,72000:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.800



this foreign student is going to do their three years72100:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.840



and leave, and so they're never gonna they're never going72200:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.400



to collect Social Security, so you don't they shouldn't have72300:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.760



to pay into it. And which is all about of72400:38:48.800 --> 00:38:49.400



a horseshit.72500:38:49.639 --> 00:38:54.000



And that's that's how the student visa works. And then72600:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.760



as and how's that contrast to the H two BE visa, Well.72700:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.519



You have to I'm not that you lose me in72800:39:01.599 --> 00:39:03.199



the acronyms, to be honest with you.72900:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.800



My wife is well, no worries, no worries. Yeah, it's73000:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.800



so the thing with H two B visa is it73100:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.280



relates more to professional positions, so these are no longer73200:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.159



necessarily students. And what I found fascinating about this one73300:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.239



is for one in the marketplace, by the way, in73400:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.800



the market the company has to has to prove that73500:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.360



there was no reasonably available candidates for the position who73600:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.719



are already in the United States or who are they citizens.73700:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.320



They have to make that case somehow. They're always able73800:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.920



to make that case because apparently there's not enough professionals here.73900:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.480



But anyway, so yeah, so this goes back. So this74000:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.039



goes back to World War two and when you know,74100:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.559



we brought all the nuclear scientists over and so the74200:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.920



thought was we would bring the best and brightest from74300:39:47.920 --> 00:39:50.039



other countries and we would have them here and give74400:39:50.079 --> 00:39:54.840



them some level of status, whether it's screen card or citizenship.74500:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.519



If they filled certain mostly scientific or whatever, let's just74600:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.800



call it stem degrees that would would fill you know,74700:40:06.280 --> 00:40:10.960



those needs. And so the problem one problem with that74800:40:11.199 --> 00:40:15.880



is and is that it's it's almost inhumane because if74900:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.880



you take the top you know, people out of an75000:40:19.920 --> 00:40:24.360



emerging country, they're no longer there to help their emerging country,75100:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.239



and so we cannot and the truth of the matter75200:40:27.360 --> 00:40:32.079



is we cannot bring enough people here, you know. So75300:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.599



so it's there's an incredible you know, part of part75400:40:36.639 --> 00:40:40.039



of the thought process is, you know, we bring people75500:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.719



here because they're in poverty, and so they can come75600:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.280



to America and not be in poverty. But we bring75700:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.320



one point one million people here and they're all not impoverished.75800:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.480



But let's even pretend that they all are. So every75900:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.079



year there's a net of twenty million people in the76000:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.480



country born or born into poverty. So we would have76100:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.440



to bring in twenty million a year just to keep76200:41:02.480 --> 00:41:05.119



our head above water if we were if we were,76300:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.840



if we're using our immigration system to be humane to76400:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.159



other countries in the world, and what ends up happening76500:41:11.280 --> 00:41:15.559



is are we end up being inhumane because we're taking76600:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.760



the best and brightest from the people who can fix76700:41:18.800 --> 00:41:23.000



the problems in these emerging economies, and we're taking them76800:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.119



out of their out of their problem solving area where76900:41:26.159 --> 00:41:29.679



and so there's an argument that we should leave them77000:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.079



there but give them the tools to be successful in77100:41:32.559 --> 00:41:33.599



their own countries.77200:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.880



I understand that argument, and I understand that take, but77300:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.960



it's not going to it's not going to happen or77400:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.599



change because the reality is these companies are able to77500:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.119



take advantage of these people. They are saving money, even77600:41:47.119 --> 00:41:48.719



if in this case where they have to pay the77700:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.039



taxes because they have to sponsor that individual for three years,77800:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.119



they get a three year minimum basically, but they can't77900:41:55.119 --> 00:41:56.800



extend it up to six and then after that it's78000:41:56.840 --> 00:42:01.039



supposed to be over. The thing with the h t B, though,78100:42:01.119 --> 00:42:03.760



is you know, the argument is always has they have78200:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.920



to be offered the same salary at market value rate whatever,78300:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.679



which I know is complete bullshit because I've known many78400:42:10.679 --> 00:42:14.639



people in different companies and what I'll just say that78500:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.039



I know for a fact that a lot of these78600:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.280



people are not getting paid what the actual market rate is.78700:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.719



You can go buy market statistics based on you know,78800:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.599



prevailing wage for example, for a certain position that is78900:42:25.639 --> 00:42:27.599



put out there by the government, but that doesn't necessarily79000:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.280



mean that the market that they are in particular is79100:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.320



exactly what that same prevailing rage is supposed to be.79200:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.480



Prevailing wage could say fifty thousand, but that market's supposed79300:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.800



to pay one hundred and sixty grand because of living conditions.79400:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.679



So a company can easily go, yeah, well, you know79500:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.360



we're meeting the minimum. Here you go, sixty grand. We're79600:42:43.360 --> 00:42:44.840



gonna bring this guy in, save money. We don't have79700:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.400



to pay this other qualified engineer one hundred and twenty79800:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.239



one hundred and sixty thousand dollars. And then there you go.79900:42:50.599 --> 00:42:55.440



And that happens all the time. So yeah, it's it's80000:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.639



it's good if it's not being taken advantage of it,80100:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.960



and unfortunately it's been taking advance. And so it seems80200:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.119



like you and I agree on immigration, and I think80300:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.480



most of the United States agrees on immigration, aside from80400:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.440



well obviously the Democrat Party for whatever reason. But let's80500:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.920



let's move on to the really heated contested thing going80600:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.400



on right now in the world, and that's been the80700:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.639



Ukraine Russia War. And I'm not sure how far you've80800:43:22.960 --> 00:43:26.280



you've you've dived into this particular situation, but you know,80900:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.719



just as of today before before we recorded. You know,81000:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.599



the Trump phone call with Putin just happened, right, and81100:43:32.639 --> 00:43:35.960



they're supposed to be uh temporary cease fire now. But81200:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.320



the problem is is it's only that the conditions are.81300:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.480



It's a ceasefire just basically on energy and infrastructure, like81400:43:44.519 --> 00:43:48.880



you can't destroy those things, which does nothing to stop Russia,81500:43:48.960 --> 00:43:53.159



for example, from going ahead and just bombing and shooting81600:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.440



up the rest of Ukraine. And I guess and vice versa,81700:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.840



if Zelenski want to do the same to Russia, he could,81800:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.039



I guess, how do you feel about this?81900:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.360



We're we're all in a predicament because the world, the82000:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.440



world has drawn I think a line in the sand82100:44:09.400 --> 00:44:13.760



saying we don't want Russia to advance. You know, we82200:44:13.920 --> 00:44:19.199



prefer Russia leave. But the truth of the matter is82300:44:19.719 --> 00:44:23.760



there's not enough men in Ukraine to root out the82400:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.239



Russians and push them back. There's just not And so82500:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.360



so the question, and this was part of the blow82600:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.559



up in the Oval office was and I actually was82700:44:33.599 --> 00:44:38.880



on BBC International when the news broke when Michael Waltz,82800:44:38.920 --> 00:44:43.039



the National Security Advisor, was speaking at Seapac and said82900:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.159



that Zelensky had agreed to a minerals deal. And so83000:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.360



even in that interview, which is on YouTube, on reasonable arguments,83100:44:51.599 --> 00:44:55.760



But even in that interview, you you know, the reporter83200:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.960



kept asking about this word strength. You know, you know,83300:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.320



Donald Trump's gonna have to agree to you know, uh, security,83400:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.239



don't not strength, security, you know, provide Zelensky in Ukrainian83500:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.559



Ukraine with security. And you know, and at the time,83600:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.079



you know, I didn't really realize, but certainly by the83700:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.400



time the blowof of the Oval Office, Zelensky had used83800:45:18.400 --> 00:45:23.199



this word security, and Trump was offended by it called said,83900:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.280



you know, bretoned Zelensky that he was starting with World84000:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.719



War III. And the truth of the matter is what84100:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.679



Zelensky meant was American boots on the ground, and that's84200:45:32.719 --> 00:45:33.239



what he wanted.84300:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.280



Yeah, and that's true. And I actually did a breakdown84400:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.519



of that same situation. I came to the same conclusion.84500:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.920



It's exactly what he wanted. That's what he's implied the84600:45:40.960 --> 00:45:42.760



whole time, and he got it.84700:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.960



He got it from the EU, and he gets it84800:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.719



on day thirty one after a cease fire, he gets84900:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.639



EU boots on the ground. So he was trying to85000:45:50.679 --> 00:45:54.480



put Americans in the EU in a position where, you know,85100:45:54.559 --> 00:45:56.760



on day thirty one, if the Russian shoot, now they're85200:45:56.760 --> 00:46:00.599



shooting at the world, and the whole damn thing gets escalated,85300:46:00.599 --> 00:46:02.480



which is why Trump called them out.85400:46:02.719 --> 00:46:07.000



Yeah, but even even before this, so America is being85500:46:07.480 --> 00:46:11.679



being billed as the big bad you know, like we're85600:46:11.719 --> 00:46:13.960



the bad personnel, right, we hate democracy, we don't want85700:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.840



to get involved, we don't want to protect freedom. It's85800:46:16.880 --> 00:46:18.719



a bunch of bullshit because Europe could have stopped US85900:46:18.719 --> 00:46:21.159



a long time ago. This is in their backyard. Now.86000:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.199



What is crazy is you know, the first invasion twenty fourteen,86100:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.679



the annexed Crimea, Russia took it over. But if you86200:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.639



go back further twenty twelve, people make the argument, yeah,86300:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.920



well but the Ukraine was also shooting missiles at you know,86400:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.079



at the borders on Russians and et cetera. But you86500:46:36.159 --> 00:46:40.000



know that wasn't Zelinsky. So this whole, this whole thing86600:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.400



is is ridiculous because the UK is trying to criticize America,86700:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.119



for example, and so is France. France I always had86800:46:48.119 --> 00:46:49.880



a bone to pick with because they're the biggest talkers86900:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.800



that do nothing. Same thing with Germany. They're all just87000:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.679



barely starting to get off the ras and do something87100:46:54.679 --> 00:46:56.320



which they should have done a long time ago, instead87200:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.320



of trying to rely on the strength of the United87300:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.639



States of America and continuing to get money from US.87400:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.400



I mean, we fund over two hundred something countries, but87500:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.039



no one sends anything our way, like literally, well.87600:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.800



And every American, every American should be offended by what87700:47:08.840 --> 00:47:13.440



Selenski said. Zelensky said, I'm not going to put my87800:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.400



grandchildren in debt, and yet if we are supposed to87900:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.000



fund his war with our grandchildren's money, and that's exactly88000:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.360



what we've been doing, and it's wrong and it needs88100:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.719



to stop, you know. And you look at someplace like France,88200:47:27.760 --> 00:47:32.280



which has carries no debt, you know, the UK. You know,88300:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.639



when we go back to we're doing one hundred and88400:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.239



twenty seven percent. Germany's at like one hundred and seventeen88500:47:38.320 --> 00:47:41.760



percent of their budget. You know, UK's only deficit, spends88600:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.599



about ten percent of their budget over their budget. You know,88700:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.079



France is like at three percent. They don't deficit spend88800:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.119



at all. They have the least amount of debt of88900:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.320



all of these countries. And then they have the gall89000:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.480



to sit there and say that somebody else needs to89100:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.000



step up to the plate. And I'm like, listen, you89200:47:59.039 --> 00:48:02.199



want my grandchildren ding to finance your ward today, why89300:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.239



don't you do some of that? Why don't you put89400:48:04.280 --> 00:48:05.559



your money where your mouth is?89500:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.880



They don't. And you know, when it comes to contributing89600:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.840



to NATO, like everybody wants to compare Europe or EU89700:48:11.960 --> 00:48:14.679



to the United States, you can't take a conglomerate of89800:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.239



countries and compare to one singular nation. We still pay89900:48:17.239 --> 00:48:21.360



over seventy percent of the entire funding for NATO, regardless90000:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.119



of how you want to look at it. Now, getting90100:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.119



back to this what you mentioned about the mineral rights90200:48:25.119 --> 00:48:26.719



deal that you know when you heard all that break90300:48:26.760 --> 00:48:30.920



that argument when you were doing that BBC interview. The90400:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.480



reality is a lot of people didn't talk about. It90500:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.039



wasn't in the news or it wasn't reported, But the90600:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.039



UK already signed a freaking mineral rights deal with Ukraine.90700:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.440



On January twenty six of this year, they signed a90800:48:42.480 --> 00:48:46.360



one hundred year deal to bolster up Ukraine's economy using90900:48:47.239 --> 00:48:53.159



surprisingly British banking system also helped them in commerce by91000:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.000



using of course, British trade partners, and they also signed91100:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.760



a deal to help them in mining and processing all91200:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.559



the minerals for Ukraine. And that was only a small snippet.91300:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.559



I was like, only a small section of that large91400:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.840



deal that they made signed January twenty six. So when91500:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.840



they were trying to criticize Trump for even mentioning the91600:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.480



mineral rights deal, which actually went in Ukraine's favor, it91700:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.480



was a fifty to fifty split of profits that would91800:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.400



have put Americans on Ukraine soil, which in and of91900:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.719



itself would have been a deterrent. But no, everybody didn't92000:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.039



mention that. While the UK was trying to say we're92100:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.320



there to rape the Ukraine and take advantage of them,92200:49:29.840 --> 00:49:31.519



no one mentioned this one hundred year deal that the92300:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.159



UK signed that you can actually find on their government website.92400:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.159



Well, at the end of the day, Zelenski was trying92500:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.760



to take a deal that was made, an economic deal92600:49:40.840 --> 00:49:42.920



that was made, and make it a military deal. And92700:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.679



that's I mean, he tried to blur the lines and92800:49:45.719 --> 00:49:46.280



he got caught.92900:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.960



No, we know this, and I agree with that statement93000:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.519



is actually very accurate because that's all he has. All93100:49:51.559 --> 00:49:53.880



he has is the mineral rights to negotiate with everybody93200:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.760



his resources. That is very true. But I'm not going93300:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.480



to sit here and take the criticism of the UK93400:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.800



or France or Europe for things that that they themselves93500:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.039



are going out of their way to make their own93600:50:03.239 --> 00:50:06.599



nations rich by creating this relationship with Ukraine.93700:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.440



And they want us. Here's the worst part is they93800:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.079



want us to finance it. Well, yeah, and so we're financing.93900:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.800



We're financing the world's lifestyle, whether it's we can jump94000:50:14.840 --> 00:50:18.480



into terrafts. Like everyone's like, oh, let's not have tariffs. Well,94100:50:18.960 --> 00:50:22.880



somehow we are somehow financing the lifestyle of all these94200:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.840



countries by paying taxes on the goods that you know,94300:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.800



by not having manufacturing here and not buying American and94400:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.320



letting their goods flood our markets for free and so94500:50:35.679 --> 00:50:38.000



and so we're we in one way or another. You know,94600:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.800



we've talked about USAID, we talked about the you know,94700:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.119



the minerals deal, you start talking about terraffs. What has94800:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.559



happened over the last forty fifty years is that we've94900:50:46.599 --> 00:50:51.000



started financing all of these other countries their lifestyle and95000:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.719



you know, quite frankly, we're going broke doing it. And95100:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.159



you know, at some level somebody needs to explain to95200:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.760



me or to some body that you know, how we're95300:51:01.800 --> 00:51:06.440



going to repay nearly forty trillion dollars worth of debt.95400:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.880



We can't. We can't. And and again, as I said earlier,95500:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.239



you know we were funding over two hundred countries every year.95600:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.639



I mean, just just Israel alone. Let's just take them95700:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.679



out here. We've been paying them three I think it's95800:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.559



three or three point two billion minimum every single year95900:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.320



for a long time. That's the minimum. That's not all96000:51:26.360 --> 00:51:28.840



we pay them, but that's our minimum commitment. That's just96100:51:28.880 --> 00:51:32.039



one example. Uh, we we send money to two I96200:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.199



think was I keep saying over too hund because I96300:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.639



think it's like two twenty two something, And let me96400:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.119



let me clarify. I mean, yeah, there's a there's like96500:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.840



one hundred and ninety three hundred and ninety four recognized nations.96600:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.119



But then you know, you have this large number of96700:51:45.119 --> 00:51:46.960



what they call dependencies, like you know, I think it's96800:51:46.960 --> 00:51:52.760



like fifty five dependencies, plus there's other, uh independent, let's96900:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.320



just call them that, nations that are not necessarily recognized.97000:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.159



So yeah, that's where I'm getting this over two hundred number.97100:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.320



But we do absolutely fun over two high under it.97200:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.320



I'll just say nations in set of countries whatever every year,97300:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.719



and it's ridiculous that that gets overlooked by the rest97400:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.000



of the world. And they know this. That's why they're97500:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.280



scared that Trump is saying no, no, we're not doing this anymore.97600:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.880



We're pulling things back because they don't want to admit97700:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.119



that they've been relying on wet no China.97800:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.639



Money and yet we gave them money towards the death, Like,97900:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.000



how does that make sense?98000:52:22.239 --> 00:52:26.880



It doesn't. So when it comes to Ukraine, you know,98100:52:27.599 --> 00:52:31.400



Europe's being very hypocritical because they themselves, Look, they're scared98200:52:31.440 --> 00:52:34.119



of Russia, period. They are. They want to admit up,98300:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.679



but they are the only reason other countries started encroaching98400:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.280



on their borders, as Putin tries to say with NATAL membership,98500:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.559



is because they were in fear of Russia. If Russia98600:52:43.639 --> 00:52:45.639



wasn't who they are, and they didn't fear Russia as98700:52:45.639 --> 00:52:47.599



a nation, then they wouldn't have all these other countries98800:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.960



trying to become NATO members That's the reality. That's the98900:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.119



one point that everyone glosses over. They try to use99000:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.000



the whole well, you know, Putin warned, if you if99100:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.000



you have another NATO nation coming closer to my border,99200:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.360



then things are going to happen. Yeah, but ask yourself99300:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.840



why they want to become NATO members, Like, what's the99400:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.719



real reason they want to become a native member? They're99500:53:04.719 --> 00:53:07.800



not gaining financially, It's because they want to be protected,99600:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.960



protected from whom Russia? So at what point should have99700:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.920



Trump's trying to be diplomatic and state of a large99800:53:14.960 --> 00:53:16.840



war because we know that this will lead to World99900:53:16.840 --> 00:53:19.639



War three if it's not handled correctly. But should Trump100000:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.039



have have been much more stern with Putin from the100100:53:23.079 --> 00:53:24.920



get go on this one? You think should should we100200:53:24.960 --> 00:53:26.719



have put her foot down and try to step in100300:53:26.760 --> 00:53:27.559



earlier about this?100400:53:28.039 --> 00:53:29.800



Well, even if you go and you can, we can100500:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.280



talk about optics, because you know this is the over100600:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.360



office blow up. Maybe was a one of those fires100700:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.599



that Trump said, But if you look at that whole100800:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.280



twenty nine minutes or whatever it was of video footage,100900:53:41.440 --> 00:53:44.039



you have to go twelve minutes thirteen minutes in before101000:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.639



the brew haha started, and during that first ten or101100:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.360



twelve minutes, you know Donald Trump is like, listen, I've101200:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.800



got to be tough on both of these guys. I've101300:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.480



got to be tough, and he's looking at Zelenskia. I101400:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.719



got to be tough on him, but I got to101500:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.880



be tough on Putin too, and you know, and he's101600:53:59.679 --> 00:54:02.079



you know, he's like, I'm the one who has to101700:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.760



be I have to be the bad guy. And so101800:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.079



it's for people to say that he was choosing a101900:54:08.159 --> 00:54:12.239



side there is they just didn't watch the whole thing. Now,102000:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.840



can you know? The The question is, you know, could102100:54:16.880 --> 00:54:18.719



Trump be tougher on Putin? And I'm like, yeah, I102200:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.599



guess he could, you know, at the end of the day.102300:54:21.639 --> 00:54:23.519



But the one thing that we cannot and I think102400:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.559



you and I agreed on this from a from a102500:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.679



maybe a higher level. You know, what the world cannot102600:54:29.719 --> 00:54:34.119



have is Russia, China and North Korea ally themselves. And102700:54:34.199 --> 00:54:39.880



I ran I ran ally themselves in a thought process102800:54:40.119 --> 00:54:44.440



of global expansion. And so you know, we already know102900:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.480



that North Korea has sent more than ten thousand troops103000:54:47.519 --> 00:54:52.519



at least last October to the Russia Ukrainian border or103100:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.800



to battle with Russia. And you know, we don't we103200:54:56.840 --> 00:54:59.559



don't really know whether they've sent more or not, but103300:54:59.639 --> 00:55:02.199



we know they said at least ten thousand and so103400:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.159



you know, there's a fine balance here of what do103500:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.320



you what's a win? How do you define a win?103600:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.639



Is a win pushing Russia all all the way out103700:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.239



of Ukraine? Or is a win not having World War three?103800:55:16.840 --> 00:55:18.599



It is a win having.103900:55:18.400 --> 00:55:23.559



Long term making long term you know, quote kind of104000:55:23.639 --> 00:55:28.239



friendships so that we don't allow Russia, China and North104100:55:28.320 --> 00:55:29.559



Korea to ally themselves.104200:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.679



So I mean, that's a huge problem should that happen.104300:55:32.840 --> 00:55:35.639



And so, you know what, so I'm not sure that104400:55:35.760 --> 00:55:42.920



anyone in certainly the corporate national media really discusses what104500:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.480



is a win. They don't and so I don't know104600:55:46.519 --> 00:55:48.119



that I have the answer. I'm not sure I'm going104700:55:48.199 --> 00:55:49.960



to sit here and say, oh, this is the win104800:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.480



and this is how we define it, because I think104900:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.039



that depending on what the strategy is, any of those105000:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.320



things could be seen as a win. But if you're105100:55:58.360 --> 00:56:01.280



if you're talking about taking Russia and rooting them out105200:56:01.360 --> 00:56:04.239



of what the land that they've taken in Ukraine and105300:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.280



pushing them back across the border, that's going to cost105400:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.440



a lot of lives, and it's going to cost American lives,105500:56:10.480 --> 00:56:12.199



and I don't think America is up for it. And105600:56:12.239 --> 00:56:13.440



I don't think we should.105700:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.960



Be Yeah, and I don't think this is kind of105800:56:18.000 --> 00:56:22.039



a macro view situation, you know, that's my opinion. This105900:56:22.079 --> 00:56:25.280



is a big picture solution in terms of how we106000:56:25.320 --> 00:56:28.840



got to look at this because we the world is106100:56:28.880 --> 00:56:31.760



hating that little Ukraine is getting invaded by big bad Russia, right,106200:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.039



and nobody wants to see this little sovereign nation get106300:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.960



taken over. But look, Putin has been saying for I106400:56:38.000 --> 00:56:39.960



can't even I don't remember how many years that he106500:56:40.000 --> 00:56:42.800



wanted to reunite the old USSR. And even if we106600:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.239



even if we compromise, let's say there's a compromise in106700:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.239



this deal and he takes a little piece he already106800:56:48.239 --> 00:56:50.880



took Crimea. Everyone kind of turned their backs on that one.106900:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.559



It's like, yeah, well you know that happened, whatever, And107000:56:54.039 --> 00:56:56.159



what's going to stop him from pushing a little bit107100:56:56.199 --> 00:56:58.400



more and more and more. You got to realize that107200:56:58.440 --> 00:57:00.719



Putin's getting older, this is his legas so he's not107300:57:00.760 --> 00:57:05.440



going to stop. But you were correct because I've always107400:57:05.480 --> 00:57:07.280



said this. It's funny how China has been kind of107500:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.239



quiet about this whole thing until recently they're speaking up107600:57:11.239 --> 00:57:13.760



a little bit. But they're speaking up about what Russia107700:57:13.800 --> 00:57:18.440



and China coming together to bolster Iran and saying, hold on,107800:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.199



we can't let we can't let the United States go107900:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.440



in there and try to tell them how to handle108000:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.360



their nuclear capabilities and et cetera. So now all of108100:57:26.360 --> 00:57:29.280



a sudden they're united and they're speaking together as they're108200:57:29.320 --> 00:57:31.599



on the same front, right, And it's exactly what you108300:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.679



just said earlier. We don't need Iran, Russia, and China108400:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.639



to suddenly come together and decide that they're going to108500:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.440



become the superpower and start to take over territories. Well,108600:57:41.079 --> 00:57:44.320



Russia's already doing it. They're not going to stop. China108700:57:44.880 --> 00:57:50.599



has been very very active in the Asia Pacific over there,108800:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.159



and there they've been. They've been going ahead and trolling108900:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.880



Taiwan to no end, and even the Philippines. They're not109000:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.519



going to stop. They're making it very clear that look,109100:58:00.519 --> 00:58:02.760



we know the US is distracted here and oh guess what,109200:58:02.800 --> 00:58:04.840



now they're over here helping Israel again. They're back over109300:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.000



in that situation, and they're going to continue these maneuvers109400:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.320



and continue to test the waters on how far they109500:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.760



can get with things. It's already been assessed. And analyzed109600:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.199



by many different analysts, and someone that I know personally109700:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.360



that has been in the intelligence community and still is109800:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.400



by the way in officcy services that we are on109900:58:22.440 --> 00:58:24.280



a collision course. There's no way around it that by110000:58:24.280 --> 00:58:26.679



twenty twenty seven we will be fighting China in some way.110100:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.840



China has never denied this, and China has been has110200:58:31.920 --> 00:58:34.719



been becoming more and more emboldened in their actions in110300:58:34.760 --> 00:58:36.800



what they do. And the thing is China has taken110400:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.360



American tactics. They've gone to countries, They've dumped tons of110500:58:39.400 --> 00:58:41.519



money into say hey, you know, we're gonna help you.110600:58:41.519 --> 00:58:47.400



We're gonna build up your infrastructure ahead much water. And110700:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.559



that's why they're gaining trust with some of these African110800:58:49.639 --> 00:58:50.519



nations and etc.110900:58:51.159 --> 00:58:51.840



South America.111000:58:52.119 --> 00:58:55.840



Yeah, exactly. But but the thing that's going on is111100:58:56.039 --> 00:59:00.000



China has been quiet with the Russia Ukraine situation until now,111200:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.960



well they're kind of speaking up and coming together with111300:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.519



Russia to start to say, wait a minute, we're still111400:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.079



allies and now we've got to stand up for Iran.111500:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.760



China still hasn't said much about the actual situation between111600:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.280



Russia and Ukraine, but they but they're popping up their111700:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.079



head and saying, yeah, we're still an ally. They're letting111800:59:17.079 --> 00:59:19.199



the world know, they're letting them know that, hey, we111900:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.960



never backed off being an ally whatsoever. We're still here.112000:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.039



And I think when it comes to Ukraine, I think112100:59:26.199 --> 00:59:28.719



China is just trying to see how this plays out.112200:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.000



They want to see how far Russia can get with this,112300:59:31.480 --> 00:59:33.599



because that'll set the precedent for how far they can112400:59:33.639 --> 00:59:34.320



get with Taiwan.112500:59:36.800 --> 00:59:40.519



You're probably dead on correct, probably.112600:59:40.280 --> 00:59:41.880



Right today, wrong tomorrow. You know how it goes.112700:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.800



There's no question you listen to China is you know.112800:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.920



I always say that, you know, the way China acts,112900:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.679



the next big war could be thought over fish. I mean,113000:59:51.719 --> 00:59:54.360



they have gotten so good at fishing with satellites and113100:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.880



people don't realize that they are pilfering. The world sees113200:59:58.599 --> 01:00:01.320



on a daily basis for fish, you know, so much113301:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.159



so that you know, people go out into the South113401:00:04.239 --> 01:00:09.079



China Sea and don't come back. Yeah, everybody, And because113501:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.199



they run across a Russian fishing ship, which also happens113601:00:13.199 --> 01:00:18.360



to be Russian military. So so it's a very dangerous shift.113701:00:18.519 --> 01:00:21.719



The ship fishing over in And I wish we would113801:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.280



call it the East Agency for the same reason we113901:00:24.440 --> 01:00:29.039



changed the Gulf of America to its name, because we114001:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.039



don't we shouldn't give China ownership over it.114101:00:32.199 --> 01:00:33.039



No, we shouldn't.114201:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.840



But but that's but that's something I've been arguing for114301:00:36.840 --> 01:00:41.440



for a decade. But that's, uh, you know, probably probably114401:00:41.440 --> 01:00:42.119



not going to happen.114501:00:42.159 --> 01:00:44.639



So it's a crazy world we live in right now.114601:00:44.920 --> 01:00:45.079



You know.114701:00:45.119 --> 01:00:47.079



I never thought that all this would be happening in114801:00:47.119 --> 01:00:49.280



my time. Almost I'm not going to say it is biblical,114901:00:49.320 --> 01:00:51.360



but it almost kind of feels like those these things115001:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.559



you read and you read in Revelations, we already had.115101:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.960



We already had what we had, the pandemic, you know,115201:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.760



and now we have these crazy wars going on. We115301:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.000



it just feels like we're there. I'm not necessarily a115401:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.800



religious person, but it just seems like it's kind of115501:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.760



crazy that these things are happening. And I never thought115601:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.239



i'd see this because it's just so much. It's not like,115701:01:11.039 --> 01:01:13.400



you know, one situation that we can handle and the115801:01:13.400 --> 01:01:15.760



world gets behind it. It's like this is happening, here's115901:01:15.760 --> 01:01:17.599



this fire, and then, by the way, while that's happening,116001:01:17.599 --> 01:01:20.639



here's another one. And then it's just nuts. And I don't.116101:01:20.679 --> 01:01:22.320



I'm not really sure how we're going to get out116201:01:22.320 --> 01:01:23.880



of this. I just know that the US has to116301:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.199



be stronger and be able to navigate this correctly. It's116401:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.079



like what's going on right now. You know, our ships116501:01:30.079 --> 01:01:33.000



were attacked by the Hoho thiast period and out there,116601:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.400



and we're we're striking back, and we should do that.116701:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.559



But then you know, it also begs a question, well,116801:01:38.559 --> 01:01:41.920



what happens if Russia happens to attack Ukraine or happens116901:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.480



to kill an American accidentally, or whatever the case is.117001:01:45.119 --> 01:01:47.760



I think you're exactly right. None of this happens in117101:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.760



a vacuum. Which is why Donald Trump had been so117201:01:51.280 --> 01:01:57.400



careful about this word, you know, security and agreed and117301:01:57.440 --> 01:02:03.400



so because you know, that's if we if he had117401:02:03.440 --> 01:02:07.559



agreed to that one single word, it would have shown117501:02:07.719 --> 01:02:11.159



North Korea and China or given them a reason to117601:02:11.280 --> 01:02:16.320



escalate and and so you know, so that's that's the117701:02:16.360 --> 01:02:18.159



reason why there is a big blow up in the117801:02:18.159 --> 01:02:22.559



Oval Office over that one single word, is that you117901:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.840



this none of this happens in a vacuum. And so118001:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.480



you know, people think, oh, we can just open our border.118101:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.280



That's that doesn't happen in a vacuum. I mean, you know,118201:02:30.400 --> 01:02:32.199



look at it. If we weren't have to go to war,118301:02:32.280 --> 01:02:34.440



how are we going to browt these folks who are118401:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.239



in our country, these Venezuelan gangs out of our country118501:02:37.679 --> 01:02:39.960



when all of our men go to young men go118601:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.920



to war. I mean, it's it's ridiculous to even think about.118701:02:43.079 --> 01:02:50.280



And and so it's all it's all bizarro, like you said,118801:02:50.760 --> 01:02:51.199



it's just.118901:02:51.960 --> 01:02:52.559



It really is.119001:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.199



I've got to give you a ten minute warning.119101:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.280



Oh that's fine, Yeah, I know you got you got119201:02:56.320 --> 01:02:59.480



other things going on, but before before we get out119301:02:59.519 --> 01:02:59.719



of here.119401:02:59.760 --> 01:02:59.960



Though.119501:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.360



You know, the thing is that people don't give Trump119601:03:03.360 --> 01:03:05.840



credit for when we keep talking about that word security.119701:03:06.599 --> 01:03:10.119



People don't understand that Trump knew exactly what ze Linzky meant.119801:03:10.239 --> 01:03:12.920



I knew what he meant. Listen, that whole discussion was119901:03:12.920 --> 01:03:15.960



actually over fifty minutes. It's like fifty two minutes or whatever.120001:03:16.480 --> 01:03:18.760



I watched the entire thing from the beginning because when120101:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.400



I saw that clip, I'm like, there has to always120201:03:21.440 --> 01:03:24.000



be more of the story. And I saw what happened.120301:03:24.039 --> 01:03:26.079



I saw how many times the Linsky mentioned security and120401:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.760



push back on Trump, and then he offended JD. Vance120501:03:29.800 --> 01:03:33.119



by saying, basically, well, what good is your diplomacy is120601:03:33.159 --> 01:03:35.760



exactly what he said, Your diplomacy needs nothing. He didn't120701:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.679



say in those same words, but that's exactly what he said.120801:03:38.760 --> 01:03:40.960



That was his intent, that's what he meant. And Vance120901:03:41.000 --> 01:03:42.960



got mad about that, and then Trump had to stand121001:03:43.000 --> 01:03:43.480



up for his face.121101:03:43.960 --> 01:03:46.880



And Band's got upset about the pictures of the dead121201:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.719



children that he pulled them out, and nobody talked about it.121301:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.079



The corporate meeting never talked about him bringing out these121401:03:53.159 --> 01:03:55.360



pictures of dead children, showing the President of the United121501:03:55.400 --> 01:03:57.920



States and then trying to show the cameras and all121601:03:57.960 --> 01:03:59.920



this other crap that he was trying to pull inside121701:04:00.039 --> 01:04:03.599



the Oval offhas. I mean, it was, it was a stunt.121801:04:03.639 --> 01:04:05.719



It was it was bad, but you know, it was121901:04:05.760 --> 01:04:06.440



bad advice.122001:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.960



It was bad advice. But this also goes to show122101:04:10.199 --> 01:04:14.440



that the reality is the world the world knows, and122201:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.719



Trump knows, I mean the world does know. Because this122301:04:16.800 --> 01:04:20.280



is why Europe is in such a tizzy right now.122401:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.000



Right They're in such a fit because they're not getting122501:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.280



the immediate response I used to get from our old presidents,122601:04:26.519 --> 01:04:28.079



like oh right away, here we go a raw raw122701:04:28.159 --> 01:04:31.719



team whatever, because Trump really understands the power of US122801:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.159



involvement and what that means to all the other conflicts122901:04:35.159 --> 01:04:37.199



going on in the world right now. He knows it's123001:04:37.239 --> 01:04:40.119



a powder keg right, and he and and no matter123101:04:40.119 --> 01:04:42.679



what anyone says, he does have good advisors around him,123201:04:43.159 --> 01:04:46.079



and he does have to be careful how he handles123301:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.480



this situation. The US still stands for something, and the123401:04:49.480 --> 01:04:51.719



military mind of the US is still the military might123501:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.719



of the United States of America. And as you alluded123601:04:54.760 --> 01:04:56.519



to earlier, or actually what you said earlier when we123701:04:56.519 --> 01:05:01.119



were talking is very true. If he decides to say, yeah,123801:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.559



we're gonna go get engage here, we're just what's gonna123901:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.639



stop from China going, hey, look they're you know, they're124001:05:06.840 --> 01:05:08.880



they're distracted fight in this war. Let us go ahead124101:05:08.880 --> 01:05:10.480



and move forward on what we want to do here124201:05:11.119 --> 01:05:14.639



on Taiwan, for example, or Philippines or whatever. And we're124301:05:14.639 --> 01:05:16.599



not gonna be able to react. We can't be split124401:05:16.639 --> 01:05:21.840



between two great, big, powerful military nations. We just can't.124501:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.159



So I think the UK you know.124601:05:24.239 --> 01:05:29.239



Bad thing I've told people is that let's I don't124701:05:29.280 --> 01:05:32.599



I don't like these facts. But the fact is Russia124801:05:32.639 --> 01:05:34.440



was our ally during two World Wars.124901:05:34.639 --> 01:05:35.559



Yeah, and if we're.125001:05:35.920 --> 01:05:39.840



If we're going to if these things are going to escalate,125101:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.840



quite frankly, it's more likely that Russia is on our125201:05:43.920 --> 01:05:48.400



side than China or North Korea and so, and history125301:05:48.440 --> 01:05:50.719



would say we're more likely to have Russia on our125401:05:50.760 --> 01:05:56.800



side than Germany, and so you know what you know,125501:05:56.920 --> 01:06:00.400



So what's a win? I come back to what what's125601:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.000



what is a win today? What is a win that125701:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.400



will be seen as a win twenty years from today?125801:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.039



And I think the only win that is seen when125901:06:09.039 --> 01:06:13.199



we look back twenty years from today is were we126001:06:13.320 --> 01:06:18.079



able to keep Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea from126101:06:18.119 --> 01:06:22.519



allying themselves in this global expansion? And it may be126201:06:22.639 --> 01:06:25.559



too far, like you suggested, you didn't suggest this, but126301:06:26.440 --> 01:06:30.239



like you said, China is already out there building infrastructure,126401:06:30.280 --> 01:06:34.360



providing water, providing food you know, to give in countries,126501:06:34.440 --> 01:06:39.519



learning countries, so you know, and yes, we've been there too,126601:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.960



but China is no longer sitting on their hands doing nothing.126701:06:44.320 --> 01:06:46.599



And these things don't happen in a vacuum.126801:06:47.079 --> 01:06:51.639



Yeah, no, I agree. Look, making America great again is126901:06:51.639 --> 01:06:53.760



gonna hurt. I'm going to bring back MAGA as we127001:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.199



talked about the beginning, because that's what Trump is trying127101:06:56.239 --> 01:06:59.440



to do, and it's not a negative connotation or statement.127201:06:59.480 --> 01:07:02.280



It shouldn't be goood is something that's negative for the127301:07:02.320 --> 01:07:06.280



great United States of America. I know you got to go.127401:07:06.360 --> 01:07:07.880



Do you have like five more minutes to touch on127501:07:07.880 --> 01:07:09.280



the tariff thing or do you have to head out?127601:07:10.039 --> 01:07:11.760



Yeah? I can do five, Yeah, I can do five.127701:07:11.800 --> 01:07:13.559



Okay, I'll let you go on the on the on127801:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.000



the tariff thing, because you were about to say something, uh,127901:07:16.239 --> 01:07:17.880



you want to expand on on maybe what was on128001:07:17.920 --> 01:07:18.280



your mind?128101:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.920



What about tariffs? Yeah, yeah, I forget where I was128201:07:21.920 --> 01:07:26.360



headed with it. You know, the it's it's another it's128301:07:26.400 --> 01:07:30.440



another thing where you know, it's important for people to know.128401:07:30.480 --> 01:07:32.559



I know that you know this, but it's important for128501:07:32.599 --> 01:07:35.440



people to know that that's reciprocal tariffs. And if you128601:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.280



want to have your tariffs of goods coming into the128701:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.840



United States zero, then lower your tariffs of the United128801:07:42.840 --> 01:07:47.079



States products coming into your country to zero. And so128901:07:47.199 --> 01:07:51.840



what we're what's being exposed here is international hypocrisy. And129001:07:51.920 --> 01:07:54.639



everyone's now jumping up and down because they know that129101:07:54.679 --> 01:07:58.079



they've had unfair trade practices towards the United States on129201:07:58.639 --> 01:08:01.199



you know, it hasn't been broad good. Most of these129301:08:01.199 --> 01:08:03.559



things are one or two items per country, you know,129401:08:03.880 --> 01:08:07.280



you know, milk and Canada steel, whatever it is. And129501:08:07.360 --> 01:08:11.199



so so it's a couple, it's not it's not the129601:08:11.599 --> 01:08:15.199



you know, it's not everything. But it's oranges from Brazil,129701:08:15.440 --> 01:08:20.000



it's agriculture products from South Africa, you know, or agriculture129801:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.840



products we get tariffed if we ship them to South Africa.129901:08:22.920 --> 01:08:26.880



They have zero tariffs coming our way. And so you know,130001:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.960



what the President said is like, you know, this is easy.130101:08:30.960 --> 01:08:33.119



We're going to have. We're going to have a true130201:08:33.439 --> 01:08:37.199



free trade. That's that's what's happening. Is if you were130301:08:37.199 --> 01:08:40.079



going to te if us at twenty five percent, we're130401:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.439



going to te if you at twenty five percent. And130501:08:42.920 --> 01:08:44.720



you know, if you want to bring it to zero,130601:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.840



lower it to zero. And it's all even. And so130701:08:47.960 --> 01:08:50.640



it's not it's I don't want to say it's not complicated,130801:08:50.680 --> 01:08:54.479



but the ball is in these other countries courts and130901:08:54.960 --> 01:08:56.920



you know it's up to them to take action.131001:08:57.560 --> 01:08:59.920



Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm in a high131101:08:59.880 --> 01:09:05.840



school drama yard situation, right like, are we adults or are131201:09:05.840 --> 01:09:07.479



we really leaders of the free world?131301:09:07.479 --> 01:09:07.840



Not us.131401:09:07.880 --> 01:09:09.720



I'm just saying the countries in general, right that what131501:09:09.800 --> 01:09:12.680



they were doing. And you know, China there's still a131601:09:12.720 --> 01:09:17.680



dictatorship or whatever, but or authoritarian government. But the reality is, yeah,131701:09:17.680 --> 01:09:21.079



there reciprocal tariffs. I think makes sense on paper, they131801:09:21.119 --> 01:09:25.840



absolutely do. What's what I don't agree with is the131901:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.720



speed at which these tariffs are being being proposed or132001:09:29.760 --> 01:09:33.479



and active because our markets can't adjust that quickly. We132101:09:33.520 --> 01:09:36.039



don't have the manufacturing here in America yet like we132201:09:36.159 --> 01:09:38.439



used to, so if we're gonna lose out on a132301:09:38.479 --> 01:09:43.239



certain product or a certain commodity, we're not in a132401:09:43.279 --> 01:09:46.840



position to make that adjustment quite yet. And I understand132501:09:46.840 --> 01:09:48.640



why Trump is using it. He's like, Hey, if we're132601:09:48.640 --> 01:09:49.920



gonna do this to me, we're gonna do it to you,132701:09:49.960 --> 01:09:51.880



and hopefully, like you said, we'll create that free market132801:09:51.880 --> 01:09:54.079



to where, you know, what's working for either of us.132901:09:54.079 --> 01:09:56.119



We've got to bring him back down. Makes sense. He's133001:09:56.119 --> 01:09:58.199



also using it because what he wants to do is133101:09:58.279 --> 01:10:01.199



create industry in the United States and wre he's been133201:10:01.359 --> 01:10:03.439



tired of and has spoken about it for many many133301:10:03.520 --> 01:10:07.039



years that we should not be offshoring all of our products.133401:10:07.039 --> 01:10:09.000



We shouldn't be relying on other countries. And this was133501:10:09.079 --> 01:10:12.680



very prevalent during the COVID pandemic when we found out, Hey,133601:10:12.680 --> 01:10:14.600



all of our PPEs made by China, and guess what,133701:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.079



we can't get any Our medications are made overseas and133801:10:18.199 --> 01:10:21.520



we can't get any and crazy. That's the reason that133901:10:21.560 --> 01:10:23.840



he was putting these tariffs into places, not just because134001:10:23.840 --> 01:10:24.159



he's like.134101:10:24.880 --> 01:10:27.720



I only think is you and I agree with you134201:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.000



in a very in the very short term. But I134301:10:31.800 --> 01:10:35.000



have had and this is not my business, but you know,134401:10:35.119 --> 01:10:38.239



I've had conversations with a company from Vietnam that wants134501:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.079



to relocate to Sarasota, and I don't know where they134601:10:42.119 --> 01:10:46.079



heard from you. I get this call from a site developer,134701:10:46.279 --> 01:10:49.920



economic development person, and hey, I now, I was like, Okay,134801:10:49.920 --> 01:10:51.760



what does it take. It takes this amount of land134901:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.039



or this building. If the building exists, we can be135001:10:55.079 --> 01:10:57.880



operational in four months. If the building does not exist,135101:10:58.119 --> 01:11:03.439



we can be operational in eight months. So it is working.135201:11:04.399 --> 01:11:06.640



Like you said, it's you have to turn the ship.135301:11:07.039 --> 01:11:11.800



And but any of these things can be I think135401:11:11.920 --> 01:11:16.760



you underestimate the power of American ingenuity and these other135501:11:16.800 --> 01:11:22.800



countries' willingness to avoid tariffs, so they're willing to, you know,135601:11:23.600 --> 01:11:27.119



pull up and start to have, you know, manufacturing in135701:11:27.199 --> 01:11:32.199



little old Sarasota, Florida within eight months, employing about sixty135801:11:32.239 --> 01:11:35.880



people at about seventy thousand dollars per year average. And135901:11:35.960 --> 01:11:39.399



you know, that's not a huge, huge manufacturing facility, not136001:11:39.439 --> 01:11:43.439



even for Arisota. But I think it's indicative of probably136101:11:43.439 --> 01:11:47.000



what is happening with site developers and people all over136201:11:47.039 --> 01:11:49.960



the country and all over the world. People are you know,136301:11:50.000 --> 01:11:52.479



these companies are thinking, Okay, how do I hedge my136401:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.840



bet with the United States? What if? You know, because136501:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.560



they have to think long term. They're like, okay, Trump's136601:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.720



here for four years, we have to we have to136701:12:00.760 --> 01:12:02.960



suck it up for that. But then what if what136801:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.159



if Jade Vans or Ronda Santis or another person who136901:12:06.199 --> 01:12:09.560



wants to continue these Trump policies wins the next auction.137001:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.800



So now they have to think eight twelve years in advance.137101:12:13.439 --> 01:12:16.520



And so of course they would want to avoid any137201:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.039



any terrorists, and they want to avoid the political conflict137301:12:19.079 --> 01:12:22.000



and all those things. So I believe it can happen137401:12:22.239 --> 01:12:24.800



faster than what than what you predict. But you are137501:12:24.840 --> 01:12:27.520



correct when you say it can't happen immediately.137601:12:28.079 --> 01:12:32.119



Yeah, I well, we're gonna have to define fast because137701:12:32.920 --> 01:12:36.720



you know, I buy products that from manufacturers for my137801:12:36.840 --> 01:12:39.880



business that are made in Chinese plants and other you137901:12:39.880 --> 01:12:43.279



know areas overseas, and I've already gotten I couldn't tell138001:12:43.279 --> 01:12:47.319



you how many priceless increase just within this month alone,138101:12:47.319 --> 01:12:51.479



to be honest. So it's going to affect the markets.138201:12:51.600 --> 01:12:53.199



I got to say that. I have to tip my138301:12:53.199 --> 01:12:56.079



hat to Apple because once it start started getting announced,138401:12:56.079 --> 01:12:59.119



they already they already said, Hey, we're investing five hundred bllion,138501:12:59.119 --> 01:13:00.520



we're gonna build a plant here, We're going to bring138601:13:00.560 --> 01:13:02.640



it back to the United States. So I agree it138701:13:02.680 --> 01:13:06.479



will shift. You know, America is very very handy, We're138801:13:06.560 --> 01:13:08.600



very ingenious in what we do, and we can make138901:13:08.640 --> 01:13:10.880



it work. But it's going to be painful. And I'm139001:13:10.880 --> 01:13:12.319



not faulting Trump what he's doing. By the way, I139101:13:12.319 --> 01:13:14.520



don't want it. I don't want anybody to hear me139201:13:14.520 --> 01:13:17.399



say it, because I don't think his intent is wrong.139301:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.319



I'm just saying that maybe there should have been a139401:13:20.359 --> 01:13:22.880



progressive plan to go. Look, I'm giving you guys fair139501:13:22.960 --> 01:13:25.399



warning here, like I'm going to raise it this much now,139601:13:25.479 --> 01:13:27.199



six months later, it's going to be even more, and139701:13:27.239 --> 01:13:28.680



then it'll be a little bit more later on.139801:13:28.840 --> 01:13:31.279



I think the markets, I think, you know, our stock139901:13:31.359 --> 01:13:34.800



markets are reacting to so much happening so fast. Yeah,140001:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.319



I think you're right about that. But there's also an140101:13:37.359 --> 01:13:39.239



argument that, like, hey, rip the band aid off and140201:13:39.319 --> 01:13:42.359



let it adjust, and by summer there is that, you know,140301:13:42.760 --> 01:13:46.359



maybe maybe we're back on track, maybe we're not. Certainly,140401:13:46.439 --> 01:13:49.479



the midterm elections will determine, you know, I believe that140501:13:49.640 --> 01:13:52.359



Trump will Republicans will either win or lose thirty to140601:13:52.399 --> 01:13:55.479



fifty seats in the US House. They'll you know, I140701:13:55.520 --> 01:13:58.920



think the US Senate's a little bit more stable both ways.140801:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.720



It's one or two seats one way or the other.140901:14:01.920 --> 01:14:04.800



You know, recent report that just came out recently, as141001:14:04.840 --> 01:14:07.760



in I think a day or two ago, that the141101:14:08.199 --> 01:14:10.720



favor towards the Democratic Party is as low as twenty141201:14:10.760 --> 01:14:11.640



seven percent right now.141301:14:11.680 --> 01:14:14.800



But sure, and so either party is going to win141401:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.039



or lose by thirty you know, the Republican Party would141501:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.920



win or lose thirty seats. So I want to believe141601:14:21.000 --> 01:14:25.720



that we'll win thirty and there will be a mandate141701:14:25.800 --> 01:14:30.000



for Donald Trump's last two years, but history would suggest141801:14:30.000 --> 01:14:34.279



that that's not the case, and so we'll see. Yeah.141901:14:34.279 --> 01:14:36.039



Well, there's nothing wrong with having a balance from there,142001:14:36.319 --> 01:14:37.720



a balanced Congress anyway.142101:14:37.840 --> 01:14:39.439



To be quite honest, I'd love to come. I'd love142201:14:39.479 --> 01:14:40.279



to come back sometime.142301:14:40.399 --> 01:14:42.800



Yeah, man, I know you got to get going. Well,142401:14:42.800 --> 01:14:44.319



thanks for your time and you will be back.142501:14:45.000 --> 01:14:45.760



I appreciate it.142601:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.520



Thank you definitely well appreciate it, and tell everybody where142701:14:49.520 --> 01:14:49.960



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George so much. I've enjoyed it all.143801:15:14.039 --> 01:15:17.199



Right, buddy, Thank you, James. We'll see it as always.143901:15:17.239 --> 01:15:21.399



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