Iran - War and The Fight for Freedom - With Zolal Habibi

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 Thank you all for coming back appreciate you having on the show

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 last time you're here, we discussed the implications of us involvement and

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 Helping to fight the current in place Islamic regime that has been

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 pretty much suppressing Iran for the past 47 years or so and

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 here we are now and

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 We didn't know when this would happen, but apparently

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 It has happened a few days ago. So from your perspective

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 We want to discuss what's next in your mind what you may know

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 As I know that you do have some connections and I'm sure you get some information

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 Based on you know, what's really happening in real time

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 Things that I probably pretty much couldn't

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 Couldn't gather on my own. So I'm gonna rely on you for some of this. So let's let's discuss

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 What's next for Iran right now right now? It's

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 Let's just call it what it is. Nobody wants to call it a war, but it seems like a war against the regime

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 And that's exactly what it is

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 I've also noticed that the regime is trying to retaliate but in doing so the retaliating against anybody they assume

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 It's an enemy even their Muslim neighbors

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 and

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 So where does that leave the people of Iran right now or seem to be caught in the middle of all this?

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 I'm

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 First of all, thank you for having me and I'd like to greet everyone who is tuning in

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 well, the reality is that

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 Unfortunately a war has broken out and there's no other word for it. I think

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 The reality is as we said as we discussed last time we don't see

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 foreign intervention and war as a solution to the situation in Iran because unfortunately

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 War has

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 many different

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 Implications, I mean just the casualties and everything and as you've seen Iran is not

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 Iraq Afghanistan, Libya

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 Automatically, I mean this war

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 Was targeting the Iranian regime. The Iranian regime has retaliated and now many countries in the region are now involved

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 I mean, this is what are we on day?

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 Five

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 Yeah today. Yeah, and this is already, you know the the circumstances that we're dealing with I mean with even rockets and missiles being

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 thrown to

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 Cyprus, so it is going even beyond the Middle East and

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 That is you know

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 Considering that Iran isn't number one state sponsor of terrorism. It's not going to

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 Allow itself to go down

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 Without you know dragging everything else into it and so it's a very critical situation

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 Unfortunately this regime

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 As Khomeini used to say during the Iran-Iraq war that he

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 He would say that he will continue the war till the last house is standing in Tehran

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 This regime is willing to have you know

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 all of Iran destroyed to keep itself afloat and

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 unfortunately

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 that is something that we need to take into consideration and

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 Implement the implications and the impact that it has on the people of Iran

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 as

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 Stated before I think what's really important right now is to realize that the only

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 Legitimate I guess

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 path forward is to allow the Iranian people to be able to

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 Take their destiny into their own hands and to actually overthrow the regime

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 In its entirety and determine their country's political future

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 And this is something that has been highlighted by the statements that were given by mrs. Rajavi

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 on Saturday after the start of the war and

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 Right now, you know, we are in this critical juncture. I think that this is something that

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 Is not being reported as much as it should because a lot of people are just concentrating on you know

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 the impact on the regime or

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 the you know more talking about like the bigger picture, but what is not being really addressed is

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 You know what is happening to the people of Iran?

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 What is their circumstances and of course, I mean there has been it's been over a hundred and twenty hours now

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 I think I think it's a person like a hundred fifty hours now

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 Practically that there hasn't been any internet connection in Iran. So it's very limited

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 Information that is coming out so we don't have like the exact

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 Information about you know, what is going on on the ground completely but what is clear is that

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 The Iranian regime is in a very weak position, but it's very important to realize that to be able to see

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 Change in Iran

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 It needs to be complete regime change and that has to be implemented implicated by the people of Iran and

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 By there, you know, I think the people of Iran have that potential and that capability in that capacity to do that to it

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 Till now what has stopped it them from doing it

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 It has been the policy of appeasement but now that the policy of appeasement is being set aside. I think that we

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 We are seeing that on the ground

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 the fact is that even just

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 Five days before the start of the war we were seeing the you know

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 operations being carried out by resistance units in Iran a group of 250 members of the

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 Resistance units actually attacked the headquarters of how many hostile?

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 yeah, five days before the start of the war and

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 It did have, you know a high, you know

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 Debt toll and arrest

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 But it was it had a message also for the regime and for the people of Iran

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 Is the regime one of the things that they started addressing like that day immediately was how is it that?

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 How we had our system become that

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 250 people organized are able to carry out a

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 Military operation or you know a armed operation against the headquarters of how many which is supposed to be like the safest

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 area in all of Iran and

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 At a time that Iran was on high alert because they were afraid of you know a war starting so

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 That in itself I think showed

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 The path forward to the people of Iran

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 But also it showed the capability of a resistance unit something that we have been speaking of

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 for years in that strategy and the fact that you know

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 How important it is to have these?

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 networks on the ground for local who are able to they know the ins and outs and

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 They are able to organize and they're able to move forward

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 That is something that it it was at the same time with the

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 Negotiations with the regime and everything and didn't get they the attention that it should have like analysis wise even

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 I'm not talking about like, you know, try to make a big deal out of it in the news, but I think that this was

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 one

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 Aspect that needs to be addressed what the Iranian people are doing and we're also seeing like for instance

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 This is the start of the war. We're also seeing like for instance in

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 Places like Mary Vaughan or Mahabad that people attack the prisons and they were able to disarm the

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 Suppressive forces and they were able to have some of the detainees from the protest or some political prisoners released

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 activities on the ground or like for instance in

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 Hashgerd and Karaj resistance units were able to carry out they were able to you know

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 One of the barracks of the regime and they were able to disarm the suppressive forces and were able to arm the people

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 to be able to

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 Defend themselves in that situation because it was like day two

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 I think of the start of the war and that you any regime was actually retaliating towards the people

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 So they were able to do that. So we are seeing these movements on the ground

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 As I said because of due to the lack of communication right now

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 Maybe not all of it is coming out, but we are seeing this

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 here and there in different regions of Iran and I think that's a important factor to take into consideration and

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 I think that it can have a major

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 Impact on the situation because I don't think anyone benefits from a

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 Dragged out war and

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 also don't think that you know the scenario of like troops on the ground or something that's

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 logical even and

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 I think that we need to be addressing, you know

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 The people of Iran what they want what they're striving for and how they can make it possible in these very crucial times

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 right, so I don't think anybody has a

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 downplayed

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 The Iranian people or or their need to to take over their country take it back

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 I mean even President Trump has said so himself and

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 Many people in my circle we believe the same thing. I mean look I I speak with you

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 I speak I've spoken with other prominent people in the community and

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 I've spoken to people here in the US that are in my circle that are from Iran consider themselves Persian and

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 The response from everybody is they're happy. This is happening, but they're fearful that this can definitely

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 Turn for the worse in that it will actually harm

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 The Iranian people being caught in a crossfire

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 so there's there isn't a sentiment from from my people that I know are for me in general that

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 You know, we're not ignoring the Iranian people and the responsibility they have and let's just get down to the reality

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 Not I don't think the US should take responsibility necessarily and take this away from the Iranian people but

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 What happened needed to happen?

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 I think it was long overdue was over 50 years of bad policy and inaction that let the regime grow to what it was

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 And what it what it is, but there's in my mind and you can correct me

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 The Iranian people want change, but how is that going to come about? They're still grossly

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 Under like they don't have the arms armaments right now to really fight the IRGC now

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 There there are some insurgencies like I said that are actually notable and there is progress

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 But how are we going to get there?

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 Until they can get to the point where they can actually fight against the IRGC before how many actually died

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 This is from what I heard from other interviews. He actually gave the direction to the IRGC to be able to

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 indiscriminately

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 Attack who they think was a threat which is why we are seeing these volley of missiles and attacks being just

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 Shot at all these other neighboring nations that honestly wanted to stay out of the conflict didn't want anything to do with it

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 But they're seen as an enemy because they wouldn't stand with the regime, which is I think telling to the world that

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 Many people were ready for the regime to fall regardless of their their their religion or what they believe so

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 how do we how do we move forward and

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 Assert a an authoritarian government based on an ideology that is really about oppression and conquest and

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 How do we do that while we still have

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 Religious zealots basically in the IRGC whose whole mission is to uphold exactly what what the word is of the clerics

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 Like that is their motivation

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 We know this and they're well armed and they seem to be in control right now

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 No matter who steps up or is named the replacement who is the new Ayatollah supreme leader

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 They they've been immediately eliminated in succession. They didn't last very long

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 so it looks to me like the fight is really against the IRGC right now because from what I what I've been told by the

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 Way, is that people don't want another theocracy they don't want another religion in control of the nation

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 so what what is what does that mean though, like how how do how does our Ron move forward and

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 Come to a realization that we can't just put in

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 Another cleric another, you know, it's still another theocratic government

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 How do you think they get there in your mind?

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 Yep, I completely agree with a lot of the things that you just mentioned. I think that on one on one hand

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 Well, the policy of appeasement is actually what has led us to this point because as you said for so long

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 This positive appeasement has allowed the regime to grow to the extent that it has that it now, you know has reached

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 Point that there's a point of no return and this has happened

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 but the reality is that another aspect of that policy of appeasement has been all the barriers set forth in front of the

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 Iranian resistance and their fight against the regime

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 Unfortunately, we're the ones who were used as the bargaining chips at every single

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 negotiation with the regime even till last week and

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 that is a

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 Very painful reality and the people everyone have paid that price

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 Severely the reality is that the Iranian resistance had a National Liberation Army, which was disarmed by the US in 2003

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 Because once they entered Iraq, they were worried about Iran's meddling into Iraq and

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 That was the deal that they were able to strike with the regime

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 the regime has said if you don't want me to enter you have to eliminate the National Liberation Army and

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 Unfortunately the US and the UK actually

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 specifically bombed the basis of the resistance and then in the whole transfer of power

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 In the US and whatnot. They actually disarmed

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 The National Liberation Army who at the time had I think what was interesting on X

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 I saw a few days ago someone had posted that the brief from Santcom at that time that said, you know

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 2500 armored vehicles and tanks and whatever had been, you know gathered or confiscated from the

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 National Liberation Army so we had that and we had that potential to bring about that change

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 But unfortunately the policy of appeasement

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 for 20 years for 20 something years has actually, you know

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 prevented that from taking place but aside from that I think that

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 Even till right now, I mean

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 There were a lot of people that before when we spoke about resistance units they were like so how is this going to work?

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 How is it? Are they going to get this to be able to further their activities?

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 The reality if you look at all the statements that have been given by the National Council of Resistance everyone and

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 in the past four or five years

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 you will see the one call to action that they asked for from the international community is

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 Recognize the right of the Armenian people to resist in face of the IRGC and to fight back

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 Unfortunately, that has been something that has not been acceptable to the international community till now

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 Now that this war has started everyone is talking about like so

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 How are the people everyone going to get armed and fight back against this vision? Unfortunately until now it's been

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 You know the policy of appeasement that has prevented that from happening

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 But the people of Iran I think after January

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 After the bloodbath and the massacre that the Iranian regime carried out. They made that decision

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 I mean we that was a turning point the page was turned that can't be returned turned back and

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 people realize that you know at the end of the day this regime is not going to

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 Just disappear into thin air. It's not going to be overthrown through peaceful protests

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 We need armed resistance to be able to continue this fight and that is why we have been seeing that forming

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 In Iranian society. I mean as I said just one example was what happened last week

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 in Tehran, but it's happening across the country and so

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 That is why also we heard from

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 It's about two days now that the Iranian regime has been making threats that they're going to also be targeting Albania

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 because that is where

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 Iranian resistance is you know

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 located because they fear that force and

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 That is why it's a very critical situation and that is why we need to

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 Have that understanding. I think today what is really important is to recognize

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 The provisional government that has been announced by the National Council of Resistance of Iran

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 and for them to be able to take

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 I think that our people right now the reality is that

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 Because it's not just specific

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 Locations that are being targeted. It's throughout the country and it's very extensive. They are hitting you know

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 Civilians are located and whatnot. So people have to take shelter

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 In this war so they're not on the streets right now because they need to be taking shelter. So this war

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 Simultaneously with this war the people of Iran can't enter this scene

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 So it has to be one or the other and I think right now is really the time to because

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 Extended war is not to the benefit of anyone

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 And casualties that can be prevented so I think at this point yes, the regime is in a very weak position

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 How many has died?

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 It turns out that they're not

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 Dead, it's just been propaganda. So the I mean the information that's coming out isn't exact or precise but

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 what is important is to understand that this is a

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 unique situation, but it's really

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 Iran is very different because of the geopolitical role that it plays

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 Because of the role that this regime plays so we need to take that into consideration and allow the people of Iran

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 to take

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 um right now, you know and the Iranian people, I mean

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 And the different ethnicities of Iran even like the tribal

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 Potential exists in Iranian society. So I think that

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 It wasn't armed by any governments. It was they were able to

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 Part of it. They purchased themselves. The rest of it was confiscated from the regime

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 in their you know, uh attacks on the regime and whatnot, so

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 We have that experience and we know how I think the know-how of how this could be done by the Iranian people

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 and so I think it's really time to address that and

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 Concentrate on it, but I would like to draw your attention to a message that

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 I could read it because I think it puts things into perspective

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 point of view because

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 As you said, um

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 They're torn feelings on the issue right now

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 Uh among the Iranians even themselves and it's we're walking on a very thin line here

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 We don't want

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 on the other hand

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 You're talking about, you know the elimination of Khamenei and you know heads of the regime

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 and you're also talking about like so what are

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 What are the choices on the ground what can be done?

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 I think also Iranians have some concerns in regards to some of the statements being made like for instance that

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 Um, like a scenario like Venezuela. Well, the reality is that we had said from beforehand

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 Um, I think in the previous podcast i'm not sure if we had addressed this

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 But I think we did that just by removing Khamenei. It's not going to resolve the situation because that

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 That um a system is still intact

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 And it will just replace it like for instance right now

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 They're saying Mojtaba is going to be replacing Khamenei so that infrastructure that structure is still there

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 So it's not going to make much of a difference

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 um in reality

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 It's the same, you know

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 System just the name is changing and that's not going to be the solution

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 The solution is complete regime change in Iran

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 Um, we're not going to be seeing stability

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 In the region or p or democracy flourish in Iran, um

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 with the same system intact, uh, because

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 The whole supreme, you know leader and everything. I mean that system needs to go. Um, so we have that

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 Issue on the ground right now

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 Right. So let me say a few things about that

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 We can go back to the resistance and there are some uncomfortable truce there

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 Uh between the resistance

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 What happened in Iraq and how some of the Iranian people felt about that i'm not going to go into detail

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 Um, we can talk about that later. I'll find where we want to do

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 But there is that and I know that because i've had pushback from releasing previous, you know

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 interviews and whatnot

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 So I'm just gonna throw that out there. I'm not going to talk about it too much out of respect

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 But here's the deal. Um

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 I don't think the u.s. Government

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 Its intention

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 For example, or as you said the intention of anybody is to keep this regime going and just say

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 Hey, let's put in you know, what always has been let's just hope we get a better leader

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 As part of the regime that is willing to work with everybody and be a much nicer person

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 We know that's not going to happen

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 Uh, I think that as you said they just need to be removed completely needs to be reset start over

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 They should not be in charge

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 And that's that's what I agree with

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 um

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 But we still haven't haven't addressed, you know, the the elephant in the room here

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 Is you know, everybody does want the iranian people to take over everyone does

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 But to deny that this would never happen if it wasn't an outside power influence

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 Just to get the ball rolling I think is a little naive and not to insult you or anybody else

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 But it's true the iranian people and even the resistance you're speaking of did not have the power or means

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 To be able to start to tilt this balance

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 Now that being said, I don't think the u.s should take responsibility and claim

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 Hey, we are the ones that made this happen

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 So now you owe us and I don't think that's the that's the correct response or the way to go either

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 I personally and I think many people want to see iran be a free ron

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 We want them to be what they always used to be which was the jewel of the middle east

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 And they they're a very important nation

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 Now we can talk about armaments and the people being armed and as you said while there are some resistance

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 There's there's people out there that do have arms

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 But we we also can or it's it was never enough to fight against the irgc period. It just wasn't

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 And and they were disarmed and

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 At this moment at this moment the the current regime did everything they could to suppress any uprising

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 In a violent way killed many people for even speaking against the regime sometimes

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 so

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 I think personally this is an opinion by the way as well this opinion what i'm going to say

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 I think most people are still afraid because in their mind as you said the regime is still in power

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 They are not stamped out there. I mean, I think many want to act

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 I think many people would join the resistance if they felt

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 That the regime was truly

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 Truly on their way out, but it doesn't seem that way because again

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 The irgc is still in control regardless of who the supreme leader might be or who they want to instill as a leader

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 You still have to deal with the irgc. There's the that's the other arm of what's of what's ruling

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 with a very very

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 Tight grip and a very authoritarian and violent way is the irgc

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 So how how again how again will the Iranian people fight that without partnering with anybody else?

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 And i'm not saying it has to be the us whatsoever

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 I would like to see other countries in the middle east that have always opposed the regime

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 Stand up and help the people as well. But why are we not seeing that? Why why are these relationships not there?

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 Because as of now the retaliation of iran isn't just against the u.s. It's against everybody. It's against everybody in the gulf

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 I think that um, I mean many countries in the middle east they they do fear iran's

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 The extent of iran's activities in their own countries, um be it with you know

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 The the attacks that the regime is carrying out right now, but also, you know their proxy groups and yes

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 Terrorism on the ground in their countries

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 So that is an issue and that is actually what uh, the regime has always depended on

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 Because this regime from day one has moved forward on two legs one has been

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 Internal suppression the other has been warmongering and what they

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 called export of

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 Revolution, but we called export of fundamentalism and terrorism. Um, so the regime has always you know

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 Been able to move forward in on these two feet. The reality is that on both fronts it has been weakened

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 Dramatically, but as you said, they're still in power

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 So it hasn't been completely eliminated or anything like that

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 Um, the fall of bashar asap was a turning point for this regime

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 And also how hezbollah has been weakened. That's a major vote to the regime. Yes, and it's apparatus

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 um, but I think that this is something that as you

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 Mentioned I mean, um, that's something that is a player and I don't think I don't think till the last day we will see

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 Countries in the region get involved in any

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 Form or way to be honest, um, but I think that

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 What we are seeing, um, I think we will be seeing a lot more

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 Solidarity in unity among

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 Iranians and different iranian groups to bring about that regime change

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 And I think that is needed

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 on a greater scale and to be able to overthrow the regime in its entirety, um

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 because

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 uh, as I said

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 Uh, i'm not denying the fact that

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 you know

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 We have entered a new phase with the elimination of hominy and a lot of the heads of the regime

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 But do we still see it as the solution to iran? No, we don't no

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 So that's that's uh, you know, that's the main issue that I would like to you know address there. I think that

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 um right now

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 um, what is really important is to

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 understand that um

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 the death of hominy

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 Is really I guess you could say it's the death of religious tyranny and the end of the regime

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 To a great extent but we need to make sure that you know you pin that lat I mean you

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 Put in that last pin on that coffin, you know, um to make sure that it's not able to

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 you know

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 Sprint back or be able to

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 Continue in some kind of form

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 Now it's is the time to establish, you know that

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 The freedom and sovereignty of the iranian people

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 And that is I think what we need to concentrate on. I think everyone has been concentrated. I mean

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 a lot of the talks on

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 um in the news in different, you know

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 Circles out there analyzing this situation is like what comes next

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 but I think that it's important to address that but also to be able to

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 um

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 I think a lot of people who are

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 Right now bystanders and just watching they want to see some kind of a guarantee about like what comes next to then be able to

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 Come behind it and to support that change and to you know, um

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 Help the iranian people or stand by the iranian people for them to be able to create that final

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 Take that final step. Um, I think that that is um the point that we're in right now

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 um, I also think that you know

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 The price as I said that has been paid already by the people everyone

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 Um, i'm not even talking about them the last 47 years just in jet in, you know, 2026. It has been great

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 and I think that that in itself has

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 a major potential

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 In society it has created like this major potential in society to react and to be able to fight back and I think that um

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 also

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 The reality is that even according to the regime itself. The regime is very worried that they don't have

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 That ideological base anymore

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 As far as the people really with yeah, it's really withered away even inside the irgc. There are people who

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 you know

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 are

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 Doing everything in their power to keep the irgc strong because they have interest in it, but it's not necessarily

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 ideological

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 They have interest because they're they're too

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 tied into the system they have

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 Their hands in the blood and they know that there will be how the cannibal

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 So there are these type of things too that come into play

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 and that's why they are standing behind the regime like full force because

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 In it they see their own

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 you know

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 Yeah, someone or wait someone argue that it is ideological though that they still have that

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 um ingrained

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 But in your you're saying that it is not like they're getting away from that because reports i've gotten and other people i've talked to

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 Have i've said differently

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 Um, but I think it's very yeah, i'm sorry. I was gonna say I hope they're wrong. I do

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 No, I mean even if you look at um during the the protest in january, um

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 And especially in the aftermath you saw a lot of people who were from the base of the regime

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 who were like no

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 You just like that was the hay that broke the camel's back for them. Yeah, like no no, you know

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 You just went too far

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 And they are questioning the regime even on ideological basis. They're like you you don't represent the things that we

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 Wanted you know, like for my islamic state or whatever. So there are those people who um

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 They may have believed in that ideal of the regime at some point in time

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 But right now because they are seeing how corrupt the system is

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 From within and then they're also seeing I think

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 I think the age of technology has come to our aid here, especially with social media and everything. They're seeing like the lavish lives

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 That the heads of the regime are living and it it contradicts that

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 Thought that they had like for instance the regime always tries to present hominy as someone who lives in very

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 You know, um modest simple life modest life and this and that

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 And then now they're saying well, the reality is that he's one of the richest men in the world

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 The reality is that this is how his family is living. This is how he is, you know, um

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 It's almost like this is the reality of the regime. It was almost like he was just living a double standard

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 You know showing people one thing living another

446
00:33:40.840 --> 00:33:44.580
 Yeah, and the extremes of it, I mean because it's even

447
00:33:44.580 --> 00:33:47.780
 More than the lavish life that the shah lived

448
00:33:47.780 --> 00:33:53.240
 So, I mean that and that was a turning point in the revolution in 1979 when people

449
00:33:53.240 --> 00:34:01.540
 Everyone says, you know the the celebrations of the 2,500 year celebrations that were held in iran. That was a turning point in

450
00:34:02.180 --> 00:34:02.780
 people

451
00:34:02.780 --> 00:34:08.320
 Realizing we need to revolt. So this has also had that kind of impact on

452
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:11.139
 Those who were

453
00:34:12.120 --> 00:34:16.800
 You know, they still remember the 1979 revolution they have been

454
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:24.020
 Aligning themselves with the regime on this basis or on the basis that this regime is fighting imperialism and this and that

455
00:34:24.020 --> 00:34:28.960
 But they're seeing something else on the ground right now or in in reality

456
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:33.120
 And so they have started to distance themselves from the regime

457
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:36.659
 And we're also seeing I mean

458
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.400
 Even if you look in the diaspora you see like a lot of

459
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:49.500
 Those who have defected from the regime for now becoming active voices in and the diaspora

460
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:55.000
 But if you look just still till last year, they were still in iran and going back and forth and you know

461
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:56.760
 Had no problems with it

462
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:02.200
 Um, but that they just felt feel like, you know, the days of the regime are numbered. So maybe it's time to

463
00:35:03.240 --> 00:35:08.200
 Turn with the time. I hope you're I hope you're right what you're saying and what you're hearing and reporting

464
00:35:08.200 --> 00:35:10.960
 You know, there's a lot of there's a lot of conflicting reports again

465
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:17.840
 A lot that comes with this is a huge information war a huge misinformation war

466
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.520
 so I I hope everything you're saying is

467
00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:21.900
 Exactly

468
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:25.880
 The truth on this i'm not saying you're lying but just there's so much going on

469
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.460
 It's hard to decipher like what's true what isn't because like you said, no, there's no internet

470
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:35.080
 I think it we just have to see how it you know plays out because as you said, there's so much

471
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:42.260
 Disinformation and misinformation out there that it's very difficult to even um, tell them apart understood

472
00:35:42.260 --> 00:35:47.920
 I agree with you. So yeah, here's here's the big question though because uh from my standpoint

473
00:35:48.520 --> 00:35:49.180
 I need

474
00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:55.000
 How does not just the u.s but other world powers who have

475
00:35:55.560 --> 00:35:57.880
 who have a stake in this and that

476
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.860
 They they want to see a better iran and a free run

477
00:36:00.860 --> 00:36:08.720
 How do they help the iranian people because on one side it's like we don't want outside interference but on the other

478
00:36:09.340 --> 00:36:15.260
 They still need assistance in some way. So what should that be? Like what should that relationship look like?

479
00:36:19.130 --> 00:36:20.690
 I think that

480
00:36:21.330 --> 00:36:26.830
 I think this is something that we have to go probably step by step and we might not have a clear

481
00:36:27.310 --> 00:36:30.510
 understanding of it right now just because of due to the

482
00:36:31.570 --> 00:36:33.370
 Circumstances that we're in

483
00:36:33.370 --> 00:36:35.310
 but I think that

484
00:36:35.310 --> 00:36:36.470
 you know

485
00:36:36.470 --> 00:36:37.630
 if we

486
00:36:40.100 --> 00:36:45.520
 If we have that, um, I guess yardstick that we are judging things based on

487
00:36:46.040 --> 00:36:48.360
 If we have that direction

488
00:36:48.980 --> 00:36:51.620
 The direction tells us, you know

489
00:36:51.620 --> 00:36:55.820
 Allow the people of iran that leeway for them to be able to take

490
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:58.740
 Control over the situation

491
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.820
 The reality is I think one of the things that we keep on missing here is the fact that till

492
00:37:06.680 --> 00:37:08.480
 Even um till friday

493
00:37:09.220 --> 00:37:11.720
 It was still the policy of appeasement

494
00:37:11.720 --> 00:37:15.720
 So all of a sudden we went from positive appeasement to war

495
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:21.700
 There's something in between these two and that is it's been jumped from right

496
00:37:21.700 --> 00:37:27.740
 Allow the people of iran to create that change and allow them the leeway to do so. Um

497
00:37:27.740 --> 00:37:29.780
 It means, you know

498
00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:35.020
 Stop because unfortunately the backing that the regime has received from the west

499
00:37:35.020 --> 00:37:39.120
 Be it from the economic sector or be it from the governments

500
00:37:39.120 --> 00:37:46.160
 It it has had major implications for the people of iran. So once that is being removed we are

501
00:37:47.040 --> 00:37:48.280
 Treading new waters

502
00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:51.320
 and I think that's really important to understand and then

503
00:37:51.700 --> 00:37:56.000
 Then come and sit at the table. Like what is it that we can do if we're not

504
00:37:56.500 --> 00:37:57.060
 meddling

505
00:37:57.580 --> 00:38:04.080
 Inside of iran through like we're not there's no foreign war, but we're also not backing the regime through appeasement

506
00:38:04.080 --> 00:38:11.620
 So that's a new chapter and it needs to be opened really fast so people can take the situation into their own hands

507
00:38:11.620 --> 00:38:15.260
 um, but I think that one of the you know, one of

508
00:38:15.700 --> 00:38:16.860
 the first steps

509
00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:24.300
 Yes, I am saying this as a member of the iranian resistance, but is to recognize. Um, you know the

510
00:38:25.020 --> 00:38:30.280
 Provisional government allow these different groups to come together and work together

511
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.360
 um to be able to bring about that change and

512
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:34.840
 You know

513
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:38.920
 Understand, you know instead of because right now propaganda is a major

514
00:38:39.600 --> 00:38:40.960
 part of this war

515
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:44.320
 Um this information as you said information war that exists

516
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.030
 Things are being propped up which are not the reality of iran

517
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:50.520
 um, and

518
00:38:50.520 --> 00:38:51.820
 That's not helpful

519
00:38:52.480 --> 00:39:00.100
 And it's creating division more than it's creating unity among iranians. So we need to be able to you know

520
00:39:00.100 --> 00:39:01.940
 Push that aside to be able to concentrate

521
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:08.700
 Yes, uh, I think it's maybe like an ideal world for that to happen and it's not maybe it's not realistic

522
00:39:08.700 --> 00:39:14.460
 Because I mean that is the the nature of the world and everyone has their you know

523
00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:17.340
 Interest and they're going to stand by their interests till the last minute

524
00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:24.100
 But um, I think that the more that we move forward at least we're seeing this in the iranian community right now

525
00:39:24.100 --> 00:39:28.520
 And the diaspora right now inside inside of Iran among iranians, too

526
00:39:28.520 --> 00:39:30.240
 people are trying to

527
00:39:31.040 --> 00:39:38.000
 They're starting to navigate through this and so you see coalitions forming you see groups coming together

528
00:39:38.520 --> 00:39:40.340
 um, and

529
00:39:40.340 --> 00:39:41.580
 you know

530
00:39:41.580 --> 00:39:44.460
 That solidarity that is forming and I think that

531
00:39:45.200 --> 00:39:51.000
 Um, it is in the first steps, but I think the more that they have the grounds to do that

532
00:39:51.500 --> 00:39:53.060
 We will be seeing

533
00:39:53.060 --> 00:39:56.920
 um the next steps, you know trans, you know become

534
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:02.340
 Transparent and become clear and that road map is going to be put in place

535
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:06.740
 but I think that that first initial step is maybe

536
00:40:07.340 --> 00:40:09.580
 um, you know

537
00:40:09.580 --> 00:40:11.740
 Stopping the war and also

538
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:13.120
 recognizing

539
00:40:14.180 --> 00:40:19.200
 You know the legitimacy of the fight of the iranian people and to recognize

540
00:40:19.740 --> 00:40:26.280
 The provisional government and to be able to put that together and then you know, hold them accountable even

541
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:32.400
 You know, what is it that you're standing for on? What merits on what grounds? What are those principles?

542
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:38.580
 Why you know, what are those things that you think solidarity needs to be created on and what are those like red lines that you?

543
00:40:38.720 --> 00:40:44.600
 Don't want the people of Iran don't want and try start discussing that and try to start

544
00:40:45.860 --> 00:40:49.300
 Presenting that so it's not just on paper you start seeing it in action

545
00:40:49.300 --> 00:40:53.940
 You start seeing it on the ground and I think that is when we can

546
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:59.890
 You know develop the next steps and this might be a very fast pace process and it might be

547
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:04.190
 um, and it might take a while, I mean that is um,

548
00:41:04.660 --> 00:41:10.250
 something that we will have to get into step by step and um start understanding like

549
00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:12.280
 what that

550
00:41:12.820 --> 00:41:16.430
 Will look like I I don't think so here's

551
00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:22.390
 I I agree with you. I'm not this is nothing i'm saying is in disagreement. Um, but

552
00:41:23.150 --> 00:41:26.490
 We keep bringing up the policy of appeasement

553
00:41:27.510 --> 00:41:28.490
 and I

554
00:41:28.490 --> 00:41:34.070
 I think a lot of people are conflating what what that appeasement was a lot of it is as you said is what's happened in

555
00:41:34.070 --> 00:41:37.050
 the middle east with the surrounding neighbors of ron

556
00:41:37.470 --> 00:41:42.210
 Was fear of the retaliation which is the only reason there was appeasement

557
00:41:42.210 --> 00:41:46.690
 You know the amount of weapons they have the uh proxies et cetera

558
00:41:46.690 --> 00:41:53.590
 You know and also, I mean kurst armor is out there right now appeasing to iran right now the regime

559
00:41:54.130 --> 00:42:00.330
 And you have to you have to also recognize as we keep saying here if we're talking about recognition

560
00:42:00.910 --> 00:42:02.230
 the soft invasion

561
00:42:02.770 --> 00:42:10.430
 of a lot of these people and and i'm just gonna say muslims to western nations for what though

562
00:42:10.430 --> 00:42:14.930
 if if if if what they believe and what they are so

563
00:42:16.150 --> 00:42:21.870
 vehemently about and behind when it came to the islamic regime because a lot of these people actually believe in that

564
00:42:23.010 --> 00:42:25.690
 Why are they moving into western nations?

565
00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:28.490
 And setting themselves up. We cannot ignore that

566
00:42:29.010 --> 00:42:33.390
 Iran isn't behind setting up sleeper cells and everything in all these other nations. I know this

567
00:42:33.390 --> 00:42:38.250
 I've done the interviews with de agents fbi agents. I know the facts. I've got all the border

568
00:42:38.250 --> 00:42:42.410
 Border patrol on customs encounters data behind me to to support this

569
00:42:42.410 --> 00:42:48.510
 So, you know we've in america right now on our southern border we've we've in 2025

570
00:42:48.510 --> 00:42:55.490
 Have encountered enough terrorists trying to come through our southern border to put 80 known terrorists in every state of the united states of america

571
00:42:55.490 --> 00:42:57.370
 Those are just the ones they caught

572
00:42:58.030 --> 00:43:02.750
 So the appeasement everyone keeps speaking of is the fear of the retaliation

573
00:43:03.610 --> 00:43:06.250
 Also, let's just be honest our previous presidents

574
00:43:07.250 --> 00:43:09.550
 Not to offend you but they had no balls. They didn't do anything

575
00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:14.270
 They actually released money in funds to iran for what I have no idea that made no sense to me

576
00:43:14.650 --> 00:43:19.750
 Um, I think the difference is trump as crazy as he may be and as much as he gets criticized

577
00:43:20.290 --> 00:43:23.530
 He came through and he he did what he promised he would

578
00:43:24.070 --> 00:43:30.050
 You either make a deal you either become peaceful or there will be consequences, but even trump

579
00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:37.210
 Has said he has recognized the the fight of the iranian people. It's not that nobody's recognizing it

580
00:43:37.210 --> 00:43:39.190
 I think you're correct in that

581
00:43:39.550 --> 00:43:44.910
 The us is a world power. So, you know, that's all they're talking about, you know the us and israel versus iran

582
00:43:44.910 --> 00:43:46.750
 But nobody has not

583
00:43:46.750 --> 00:43:54.110
 Not dismissed or I may not recognize the fight of the iranian people everybody has recognized everybody has actually said

584
00:43:54.110 --> 00:43:59.650
 All western nations have actually said we don't need a regime change. We need the iranian people to step up

585
00:43:59.650 --> 00:44:04.110
 And so that's why my question to you was like, how do we help it wasn't a hey

586
00:44:04.110 --> 00:44:05.970
 Let's step in and do it for you

587
00:44:05.970 --> 00:44:11.090
 It was like what assistance is needed to help them break that barrier and get through

588
00:44:11.090 --> 00:44:15.060
 And really rise up because I still think like you said, you know

589
00:44:15.610 --> 00:44:17.230
 People are still a little unsure

590
00:44:17.230 --> 00:44:23.110
 The regime is not truly stamped out yet. So I I get that but I think everybody does want to help

591
00:44:23.110 --> 00:44:26.950
 I do I don't I don't believe this is like years before

592
00:44:26.950 --> 00:44:32.070
 I think people are really really ready to see iran free and they want to get behind the iranian people

593
00:44:32.070 --> 00:44:35.210
 I don't know. I don't know who's saying this in the media

594
00:44:35.210 --> 00:44:39.670
 I haven't seen any reports where they're trying to discredit the iranian people and you're right

595
00:44:39.670 --> 00:44:43.490
 They should talk about that fight more. They really should I mean that should be front and center

596
00:44:44.210 --> 00:44:48.150
 But just letting you know, that's not the sentiment of of america

597
00:44:48.150 --> 00:44:51.250
 I mean most americans i'll be honest with you. They don't even want to be there

598
00:44:51.250 --> 00:44:53.830
 They don't even believe in this at all

599
00:44:53.830 --> 00:45:00.470
 But on the other side of that, I agree. Yeah, I agree with that and I think that um, like for instance to be honest like

600
00:45:02.090 --> 00:45:03.050
 Back when

601
00:45:03.050 --> 00:45:10.010
 The world didn't even know what is that fundamentalism was that even existence tried to raise awareness on that and

602
00:45:10.010 --> 00:45:16.110
 Called it the new global threat and no one took it seriously until like years later in 9-eleven happened

603
00:45:16.110 --> 00:45:20.250
 But you're correct and then they're like, oh my god, you guys said this like years ago

604
00:45:20.250 --> 00:45:25.590
 I'm like, yeah, we did say it years ago because we have been fighting it like on day-to-day basis

605
00:45:25.590 --> 00:45:28.750
 Nobody was listening, right? You know what? It's coming from

606
00:45:28.750 --> 00:45:33.810
 Uh, the reality is that I think that the uranium resistance has also drawn that line. Like for instance

607
00:45:33.810 --> 00:45:35.510
 one of the things that

608
00:45:36.450 --> 00:45:40.410
 If you if there's three things that we constantly

609
00:45:40.410 --> 00:45:43.230
 stand on about the future of iran is

610
00:45:44.030 --> 00:45:46.270
 secular democratic republic, so

611
00:45:47.190 --> 00:45:48.770
 separation of religion and states

612
00:45:49.650 --> 00:45:50.210
 so

613
00:45:50.210 --> 00:45:52.570
 You know republic and democracy

614
00:45:52.570 --> 00:45:59.510
 So those are like the basics that that's like the the thing that we're not willing to negotiate on at any cost

615
00:45:59.510 --> 00:46:01.670
 so the reality is that

616
00:46:02.250 --> 00:46:06.990
 Even though like for instance myself, I am a muslim and i'm a practicing muslim

617
00:46:06.990 --> 00:46:13.870
 But I think that there should be separation of religion and state because religion is supposed to be a personal issue to people

618
00:46:13.870 --> 00:46:15.850
 It's not supposed to be

619
00:46:16.430 --> 00:46:22.550
 Part of the government or the governance or that people should be treated differently based on it

620
00:46:22.570 --> 00:46:28.310
 Be it if they have the religion or if they don't have a religion if they follow this or that religion

621
00:46:28.310 --> 00:46:35.270
 It shouldn't make a difference and it shouldn't make an impact and it shouldn't be part of that governing system

622
00:46:35.270 --> 00:46:37.410
 um, so

623
00:46:37.410 --> 00:46:39.570
 And that is actually

624
00:46:39.570 --> 00:46:47.110
 the solution to islamic fundamentalism the solution you can't fight islamic fundamentalism with

625
00:46:48.010 --> 00:46:48.650
 a

626
00:46:48.650 --> 00:46:51.050
 you know, um

627
00:46:51.050 --> 00:46:55.010
 West I don't want to say western mindset but like with you know

628
00:46:55.390 --> 00:47:02.650
 The west because that's exactly what they use to try to recruit people and whatever making it like a crusade type of thing

629
00:47:02.650 --> 00:47:05.690
 You know that it's the west against us and this no

630
00:47:05.690 --> 00:47:11.430
 But once once they are being fought against by people who like you're saying you're muslim

631
00:47:11.430 --> 00:47:15.010
 I'm saying i'm muslim, but we're 180 degrees opposite of one another

632
00:47:15.010 --> 00:47:17.970
 That is the force that has that power to be able to

633
00:47:17.970 --> 00:47:21.290
 You know push back islamic fundamentalism

634
00:47:21.290 --> 00:47:28.470
 So that is something that we have experienced in the last 40 something years and that is exactly why for many

635
00:47:29.090 --> 00:47:31.590
 called us hypocrites he said because

636
00:47:31.590 --> 00:47:36.030
 They also carry the name of islam and that is the greatest threat to his existence

637
00:47:36.030 --> 00:47:41.090
 And he kept on saying that over and over and over and even after his death

638
00:47:41.090 --> 00:47:46.190
 This is still being continued in every friday prayer. It's not only death to america death to israel

639
00:47:46.190 --> 00:47:49.430
 It's death to the monotheism because they are the ones who?

640
00:47:50.270 --> 00:47:53.110
 um, it's very difficult to fight against because

641
00:47:53.110 --> 00:48:01.210
 They they are muslims, but they say we oppose the islamic republic, right? So or this regime so that's I think very key

642
00:48:01.210 --> 00:48:02.130
 um

643
00:48:02.130 --> 00:48:05.330
 Just to clarify because we don't I mean

644
00:48:05.330 --> 00:48:11.290
 That we I think this is one thing all iranians agree on that there needs to be separation of religion and states

645
00:48:11.290 --> 00:48:15.810
 In the next in the future of iran, so I think that's very important to highlight

646
00:48:15.810 --> 00:48:19.250
 But I I also I want to say something on that as well. Hold on

647
00:48:19.250 --> 00:48:22.650
 I want to say some of that because I I think the problem that you

648
00:48:22.650 --> 00:48:25.330
 You just addressed the issue. Okay

649
00:48:25.330 --> 00:48:26.830
 I don't

650
00:48:26.830 --> 00:48:33.810
 I personally don't believe it. I don't think I think any person with any critical thinking skills can see that not all muslims are

651
00:48:33.810 --> 00:48:34.410
 the same

652
00:48:35.050 --> 00:48:39.630
 And what you said is true, but we could also say the same thing about christianity

653
00:48:39.630 --> 00:48:42.550
 Here's the problem with what we see with islamic fundamentalism

654
00:48:43.270 --> 00:48:49.310
 Okay, or extreme islamic practices, right? They they see it as

655
00:48:50.610 --> 00:48:53.890
 A doctrine stuck in time the literal transition

656
00:48:53.890 --> 00:49:00.550
 Translation, i'm sorry and the literal way of living in a time that was thousands of years ago, for example

657
00:49:01.110 --> 00:49:05.290
 In there are those that don't want to live in a modern world and there's a difference between

658
00:49:05.290 --> 00:49:06.590
 those people

659
00:49:06.590 --> 00:49:10.730
 And people who are muslim but live in a modern world and understand like well

660
00:49:10.730 --> 00:49:16.670
 I guess we just can't throw people off buildings and stone people and there's all this stuff that's written because that's also in the bible

661
00:49:16.670 --> 00:49:19.110
 There's stoning in the bible there's eye for an eye

662
00:49:19.110 --> 00:49:23.630
 There's a lot of things in the bible that we as christians or christians don't live by in the modern age

663
00:49:23.630 --> 00:49:27.310
 So there's you can be an extreme christian and live that way

664
00:49:27.310 --> 00:49:31.930
 And you could be an extreme muslim and we see what we see with these extremists islamic

665
00:49:31.930 --> 00:49:33.470
 You know like the regime we're talking about

666
00:49:33.470 --> 00:49:38.110
 So I hope you understand that not everybody just sees muslim muslim bad

667
00:49:38.110 --> 00:49:41.730
 You know, I we do understand there are some that

668
00:49:42.230 --> 00:49:44.110
 Believe in the religion they practice it

669
00:49:44.110 --> 00:49:49.690
 But they also live in a modern era in a modern world and realize well some of these things we can't do literally

670
00:49:49.690 --> 00:49:54.050
 just as it is in christianity because be honest if you read the bible, it's

671
00:49:54.050 --> 00:49:57.470
 The the old testament is not kind i'm gonna tell you that right now

672
00:49:57.470 --> 00:50:02.150
 And if we lived christians lived according to the old testament, this would be a very very different world right now

673
00:50:02.150 --> 00:50:07.970
 So I just wanted to make that clear as well like not everybody believes all muslims are bad, by the way

674
00:50:08.110 --> 00:50:10.910
 Like the world does not necessarily believe that of course

675
00:50:10.910 --> 00:50:16.270
 But you made a great point important. Yeah, I think it's really important to highlight that because like for instance

676
00:50:16.270 --> 00:50:19.470
 even when it comes to you know the understanding of

677
00:50:20.630 --> 00:50:26.430
 You know islam and I mean in that day and age 1,400 years ago 1,500 years ago

678
00:50:26.430 --> 00:50:29.150
 The reality was at that time like for instance

679
00:50:30.170 --> 00:50:33.610
 The arabs were bearing their daughters alive

680
00:50:34.270 --> 00:50:35.770
 Because they didn't want daughters

681
00:50:35.770 --> 00:50:38.650
 And so at that time the prophet came and said like

682
00:50:39.270 --> 00:50:41.610
 My my daughter is you know

683
00:50:41.970 --> 00:50:45.330
 Important to me and whatever so he he changed that, you know

684
00:50:45.330 --> 00:50:52.130
 He was changing that mindset and like for instance at a time that you know, people were they're slavery at the time

685
00:50:52.130 --> 00:50:53.950
 And so he was acting against slavery

686
00:50:53.950 --> 00:51:01.290
 So it's at that time it was a revolution putting do complete change because people were just like what are you talking about?

687
00:51:01.290 --> 00:51:05.830
 So it was step by step and you have to understand that and that is like very key in all of the

688
00:51:06.310 --> 00:51:10.930
 Religions, I think they actually have the same message and the same, you know

689
00:51:10.930 --> 00:51:16.350
 A lot a lot of them have the same fundamental belief of being a good they they have the all all of them have

690
00:51:16.350 --> 00:51:17.430
 The same fundamental beliefs

691
00:51:18.010 --> 00:51:24.450
 It's just like from different eras and different times and going out in different ways because of the circumstances at that time

692
00:51:24.450 --> 00:51:27.050
 And you have to understand that, you know thousand years later

693
00:51:29.150 --> 00:51:29.670
 So

694
00:51:29.670 --> 00:51:36.470
 Society has evolved people have evolved you need to change with the times and understand and be able to put things into context based on that

695
00:51:36.810 --> 00:51:41.230
 um, but in regards to what you were saying in regards to you know

696
00:51:41.230 --> 00:51:48.070
 What is that solution or like the fact that you were saying? Well, this is a reality, you know that we're dealing with

697
00:51:48.070 --> 00:51:49.010
 um

698
00:51:49.010 --> 00:51:51.470
 I think the issue with the sleeper cells is

699
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:58.170
 Is true and it's a very it's a something that needs to be taken seriously i'm telling you I know it's true

700
00:51:58.170 --> 00:52:03.200
 It is true. Yeah. No, no, I I know it's true and and it needs to be taken seriously and it's

701
00:52:03.690 --> 00:52:05.590
 a lot more than just

702
00:52:05.590 --> 00:52:06.610
 um

703
00:52:06.610 --> 00:52:10.070
 It's not only just like terrorist things. It's even

704
00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:12.920
 as you said, um, I think there's a

705
00:52:13.470 --> 00:52:14.630
 video from

706
00:52:14.630 --> 00:52:15.850
 the former

707
00:52:16.850 --> 00:52:20.750
 um intelligence minister of iran and in it he says that

708
00:52:20.750 --> 00:52:25.510
 We have ourselves all over iran, but I mean all over the world, right?

709
00:52:25.510 --> 00:52:31.710
 Do you think that we're going to we're not going to send them as official, you know people they're going into the media

710
00:52:31.710 --> 00:52:37.470
 they're going to and and and into the even, you know, um, yeah, the

711
00:52:38.290 --> 00:52:44.450
 Sectors of you know societies they're they're you know, uh, it's that propaganda war that we're talking about before

712
00:52:44.450 --> 00:52:45.890
 That has been extended

713
00:52:46.410 --> 00:52:50.390
 It is part of this war. Yeah, but that that's there's two sides to that

714
00:52:50.750 --> 00:52:58.350
 The media so it's going everywhere like even rooting itself in society and that is something that should be of concern

715
00:52:58.350 --> 00:53:00.950
 Well that but that's and we need to question a lot of things

716
00:53:00.950 --> 00:53:06.690
 But that's that's what I was just saying earlier about there being a soft invasion because that that that that part of it

717
00:53:07.330 --> 00:53:07.930
 is

718
00:53:07.930 --> 00:53:10.330
 manipulation of other nations

719
00:53:10.330 --> 00:53:16.670
 And cultures through media and politics which we see firsthand that happening right now

720
00:53:16.670 --> 00:53:20.270
 But there are also those who are armed and ready

721
00:53:20.750 --> 00:53:24.390
 to literally terrorize those and kill people

722
00:53:25.110 --> 00:53:25.830
 and

723
00:53:25.830 --> 00:53:27.950
 Just in the u.s. We have seen that

724
00:53:28.710 --> 00:53:30.410
 uh through last year

725
00:53:30.410 --> 00:53:37.170
 And up to this year. We just had a shooting in texas at a bar on new years. We had uh,

726
00:53:38.130 --> 00:53:46.130
 Two national guards people shot. Okay. We've had many other instances where it was related to terrorism

727
00:53:46.990 --> 00:53:52.770
 To people linked to their belief and backing of this islamic regime that we are discussing

728
00:53:53.410 --> 00:53:59.850
 so i'm not going to say that it's just going to be in politics and media because that is very true what you said and

729
00:53:59.850 --> 00:54:01.190
 that's important because

730
00:54:01.190 --> 00:54:04.730
 They could do more damage there than they probably could by trying to be violent

731
00:54:04.730 --> 00:54:07.750
 especially in such a a big nation

732
00:54:07.750 --> 00:54:11.310
 Uh as as the usa or even france or uk

733
00:54:11.310 --> 00:54:18.570
 But it seems like they understand that the the best way to fight is through manipulation of the people through politics and messaging and media

734
00:54:19.110 --> 00:54:25.230
 You're absolutely spot on you're correct. And I think people need to recognize that but I I just didn't want to dismiss that

735
00:54:25.230 --> 00:54:31.570
 No, there's still there still is a violent faction out there that is ready to act if need be and they are ingrained

736
00:54:32.170 --> 00:54:39.730
 As I mentioned, it's the number one state sponsor of international terrorism. Yeah, I mean that's something that they they depend on

737
00:54:39.730 --> 00:54:44.130
 I I look I I just want to see the best for ron and um

738
00:54:44.130 --> 00:54:50.350
 I I really respect you and respect everything you're saying and and I hope that you understand that and everything I said is not to be

739
00:54:51.390 --> 00:54:51.790
 um

740
00:54:51.790 --> 00:54:54.530
 Just to oppose what you're what you're saying. I just wanted clarity

741
00:54:54.530 --> 00:54:56.250
 I wanted to be able to have this discussion

742
00:54:56.250 --> 00:55:00.490
 I like that you were open to discussion because some people aren't they they kind of just want to shut

743
00:55:00.490 --> 00:55:03.410
 Everything down and try to keep it, you know in one lane

744
00:55:04.170 --> 00:55:08.210
 um, but but again look I I hope the world can help but

745
00:55:08.710 --> 00:55:11.610
 I want I want it to be done as you said

746
00:55:12.350 --> 00:55:19.030
 Listen to the people listen to what they're asking for and I think that's going to be the difference moving forward. Hopefully

747
00:55:19.030 --> 00:55:21.750
 that we can actually do that and

748
00:55:21.750 --> 00:55:23.790
 Stop the temptation of trying to

749
00:55:24.290 --> 00:55:26.470
 make another nation to resemble

750
00:55:26.470 --> 00:55:32.330
 For example the usa or france or the or the uk like iran needs to be iran period

751
00:55:32.330 --> 00:55:39.210
 We just need to know how to work with iran and make sure the people are successful and are able to rise up

752
00:55:39.210 --> 00:55:44.590
 And and and become the country that it always was meant to be honestly, that's what I think

753
00:55:44.590 --> 00:55:48.210
 I think that most people see it that way because again there's a law

754
00:55:49.330 --> 00:55:52.490
 The sentiment is many people do not want to be in this war

755
00:55:52.970 --> 00:55:55.070
 The average american did not want this to happen

756
00:55:55.070 --> 00:55:59.250
 but I also say that we've been on a collision course with the islamic regime for

757
00:56:00.190 --> 00:56:04.990
 Not not just 47 years maybe even before that because they were trying to take control even before that

758
00:56:05.930 --> 00:56:10.750
 Um until they found the right moment to take over so this this was bound to happen

759
00:56:10.750 --> 00:56:14.330
 Unfortunately, it happened now, but you know, you can only kick this can down the road so long

760
00:56:14.910 --> 00:56:19.110
 At this point we need the iranian people to take a run back

761
00:56:19.110 --> 00:56:22.590
 We just need to understand how to help make that happen

762
00:56:24.470 --> 00:56:26.090
 I completely agree

763
00:56:26.090 --> 00:56:31.020
 On that it is time for the meaning people to take back their country and to be able to

764
00:56:31.890 --> 00:56:32.430
 um

765
00:56:32.430 --> 00:56:37.990
 You know, it's it's taking the responsibility, you know instead of you know having that because right now

766
00:56:37.990 --> 00:56:43.070
 Unfortunately, like this has become part of our culture like that lame great lame game

767
00:56:43.070 --> 00:56:49.290
 Yeah, you know agree because it's because we've always unfortunately have had foreign intervention in our country

768
00:56:49.290 --> 00:56:51.970
 I mean the last century unfortunately for an intervention

769
00:56:51.970 --> 00:56:58.230
 Um each step of the way so right now it's that day that final day that look it's on us

770
00:56:58.230 --> 00:57:04.530
 You need to put that responsibility on your own shoulder and bring be that change that you want to see in iranian society

771
00:57:04.530 --> 00:57:09.070
 Bring about that change and so that is what we're aiming for and that is what

772
00:57:09.070 --> 00:57:15.650
 um is being outlined by the national council of resistance everyone and hopefully we will be able to prevail and

773
00:57:16.390 --> 00:57:19.410
 For us, um, I think at the end of the day

774
00:57:19.410 --> 00:57:23.170
 What is important and i'd like to emphasize this one

775
00:57:23.170 --> 00:57:29.290
 um, and mrs. Rajavi also emphasized this in her message after the death of khamenei is that

776
00:57:29.770 --> 00:57:33.730
 The ncri and the provisional government are not seeking power

777
00:57:33.730 --> 00:57:38.510
 But rather the transfer of power to the sovereignty of the iranian people

778
00:57:39.270 --> 00:57:44.090
 I know that a lot of people think that that's just like rhetoric or that's just like a

779
00:57:44.510 --> 00:57:46.650
 You know line, but it really isn't

780
00:57:46.650 --> 00:57:54.600
 Especially when you understand the fact that you know people who are in this movement, uh, I was actually we had a woman's conference last week and

781
00:57:56.050 --> 00:58:02.930
 One of the personalities who was in attendance she raised a in one of the workshops that we had she raised a very important

782
00:58:02.930 --> 00:58:09.010
 Issue like I thought it was really important actually, but she said, you know, when you look at mrs. Rajavi

783
00:58:09.010 --> 00:58:10.610
 Sheely has been fighting

784
00:58:11.210 --> 00:58:13.090
 For freedom in iran since she was 19

785
00:58:13.870 --> 00:58:15.930
 That's over 50 years now

786
00:58:15.930 --> 00:58:21.030
 Yeah, and just imagine day in day out every single day without one one day

787
00:58:21.750 --> 00:58:23.530
 Of living your own life

788
00:58:23.530 --> 00:58:25.150
 and you know

789
00:58:25.150 --> 00:58:30.270
 Not being part of this fight not even one day. So when when you're doing something like that

790
00:58:31.310 --> 00:58:38.390
 It's it can't be out of wanting power or seeking power or you know fame or

791
00:58:39.490 --> 00:58:40.690
 financial benefits

792
00:58:41.450 --> 00:58:42.950
 They're really in it

793
00:58:42.950 --> 00:58:45.210
 for the freedom of their people, I mean

794
00:58:45.210 --> 00:58:49.110
 I could have easily had a very comfortable life in the u.s

795
00:58:49.110 --> 00:58:53.150
 And I put that aside and joined the resistance 26 years ago

796
00:58:53.150 --> 00:58:54.890
 you know

797
00:58:54.890 --> 00:58:58.970
 with only the aim of you know, seeing a free iran finally and

798
00:58:59.690 --> 00:59:06.620
 I see that as my own responsibility. Um, I don't i'm never looking at someone else to take that responsibility

799
00:59:06.910 --> 00:59:09.070
 For us or do it for us

800
00:59:09.070 --> 00:59:11.030
 but um, I also

801
00:59:11.030 --> 00:59:16.850
 You know, I think from day one that I joined this movement I realized that maybe I won't

802
00:59:18.030 --> 00:59:19.990
 Be one of those who will see

803
00:59:20.750 --> 00:59:26.290
 The day that iran will be free, but I am more than happy to dedicate my life to it

804
00:59:26.290 --> 00:59:29.210
 We're getting closer to lose my life into it. So I think that's

805
00:59:30.110 --> 00:59:35.490
 um, that's something that's really important to understand that you know, it's because a lot of people look at it as

806
00:59:35.490 --> 00:59:39.290
 You know when we see politics in our own countries, you know

807
00:59:39.290 --> 00:59:42.330
 You have that tendency automatically that oh, okay

808
00:59:42.330 --> 00:59:46.890
 Well, these people are presenting their own ideas and that one is presenting its own ideas

809
00:59:46.890 --> 00:59:51.150
 It's like a rivalry or something like that, but that's not the issue for us for us

810
00:59:51.910 --> 00:59:52.470
 anyone

811
00:59:53.110 --> 00:59:55.490
 if anyone else is able to

812
00:59:55.490 --> 01:00:01.750
 Create that change that can bring stability in true democracy to run. We'd be more than happy to

813
01:00:02.810 --> 01:00:06.410
 Support it and help power we can to make that happen

814
01:00:06.410 --> 01:00:13.500
 Um, and yeah, that is something that we stand by and we've always stated um year after year

815
01:00:14.250 --> 01:00:17.300
 decade after decade and I mean we

816
01:00:18.330 --> 01:00:24.110
 Actually formed the solidarity the solidarity front was announced by the national council of resistance everyone

817
01:00:24.650 --> 01:00:26.070
 in 2002

818
01:00:26.070 --> 01:00:27.930
 saying that if anyone

819
01:00:27.930 --> 01:00:31.870
 Just you don't have to agree with any of the points of the ncri

820
01:00:31.870 --> 01:00:36.770
 Just agree with overthrow of the regime and that there needs to be a secular republic in iran

821
01:00:36.770 --> 01:00:38.070
 That's it

822
01:00:38.070 --> 01:00:44.950
 That's the only merit we are willing to even help fund your activities for you to be active against the regime

823
01:00:44.950 --> 01:00:47.610
 And that's something that we stand by

824
01:00:48.190 --> 01:00:49.590
 21 years later

825
01:00:50.690 --> 01:00:55.150
 But again, I I hope that you do see peace

826
01:00:55.150 --> 01:00:57.330
 Under iran, I do

827
01:00:58.350 --> 01:01:02.290
 Given your investment in in this movement so is

828
01:01:02.290 --> 01:01:04.370
 Is there anything else you want to add?

829
01:01:04.950 --> 01:01:08.890
 Um, I think we're at that time because you and I both have things to do and i'm I really got to run

830
01:01:08.890 --> 01:01:13.330
 I don't have anything else to add. Thank you very much for the time that you have given

831
01:01:13.850 --> 01:01:15.950
 and I hope that we will be able to

832
01:01:17.410 --> 01:01:17.850
 um

833
01:01:17.850 --> 01:01:21.830
 Bring be the bearers of better news and uh, I hope so

834
01:01:21.830 --> 01:01:25.690
 Good news for for the people around and I think the world at large

835
01:01:25.690 --> 01:01:30.130
 Um will gain from the overthrow of this regime. So hopefully that day will

836
01:01:30.770 --> 01:01:34.810
 that dawn of freedom will be soon and thank you very much for um

837
01:01:36.090 --> 01:01:41.130
 You know paying attention to the plight of the iranian people and trying to cover it

838
01:01:41.130 --> 01:01:45.230
 Well, we I enjoy talking to you. Like I said respect your opinions and your insights

839
01:01:45.230 --> 01:01:50.410
 So you're always welcome. Just reach out if there's something that that you feel that you need to speak about

840
01:01:50.410 --> 01:01:55.390
 You know, and in turn i'll do the same. So, um, this was a timely conversation. Um,

841
01:01:55.690 --> 01:01:58.710
 And I appreciate the insight and and it's it sounds like

842
01:01:59.150 --> 01:02:03.090
 Even though we're from different, you know, there's different worlds west first east whatever

843
01:02:03.090 --> 01:02:08.730
 In the end, I I think the world is ready for iran to become free and for its people to actually take control

844
01:02:08.730 --> 01:02:12.950
 And and that should be the message and that's what people should be walking away from this episode

845
01:02:15.450 --> 01:02:19.310
 Thank you very much. Have a nice day. Thank you

846
01:02:20.110 --> 01:02:26.550
 Devils hide behind redemption. Honesty is a one-way gate to hell

847
01:02:30.990 --> 01:02:31.810
 Shh