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Good morning, everybody. Welcome to an am coffee.

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I am here with George Fontis World of Blaze, which

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it continues to be.

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Right. How are you, sir, Man?

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I am good, appreciate you having me on. I actually

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tune into your Sunday mornings even though I'm on the

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West Coast because I'm such an early bird I can

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barely sleep half the time. So you're one of the

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few that are on live that I would listen to

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because I respect you and we've you know, we've chatted

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a few times, so I'm like, yeah, I'll tune in.

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And having the opportunity to be on the show with

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you this morning, is it works out?

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Great? And happy to be here man, Yeah, thank you.

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I'm I'm in the field. But we'll do a proper

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video to sit down next to men. Yeah, no worries,

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I'm good. Tell me what's on your mind.

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We were kind of talking a little AI before we went.

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Yeah, I brought that up because I mean, you bring

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it when we when we've always conversated, you bring up

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AI and you know where things are going. And I

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had an interesting AI related experience when it came to

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the Google AI. You know, so when you could do

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searches and it says, you know, go deep with AI

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had a little little tab up there to the left.

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And the reason this happened is I just had a

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guest on yesterday. He's an intelligence analyst and we're talking

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about many different topics, and while I'm trying to edit

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the show, I was like, oh, I think he changed

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his logo. So I was like, I just did a

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search for his new logo, downloaded, Dale's going to put

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it into the video. And then all of a sudden,

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I'm like, I see all these explanations about him and

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his podcast. I was like, all right, well, let me

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go down this AI rabbit hole, see what it says

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and see how accurate it is. So it gives a summary,

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and we're going through this whole thing. Me and AI

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are going back and forth of clicking all the links,

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so like, all right, let me see what it says

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about me, because I was like, I've never done this before.

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And it had the summary that was pulled for my description, right,

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and there's these links that go deeper and it starts

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to it starts to put me in this this box

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er categorize me as someone who is pro Israel, pro

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war or wants to take over Gaza, and I support

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everything Trump does. Now that being said, you know, I

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lean right, so I am a bit conservative, but it

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doesn't mean I agree with everything Trump does. So I

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start clicking these links and go, well, okay, it says

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for further information click here on for example, what I

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feel about trust policy? What did I say about Hamas?

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What do I say about Gaza? And the more I

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go down this rabbit hole, it starts. It starts to

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literally frame me as a right wing pro Israel, pro war,

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anti Palestine person, I'm like wow. And so I finally

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tell Ai. I said, hey, this is George Fonts. I

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was like, where are you getting this information? And it's

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responding well, based on things that you have said and

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posted and this and that, and I'm like huh. So

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I responded saying, well, you took everything I said at

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a context. I said, I still challenge where you got

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your information, and it eventually admitted to me, and it

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actually apologized and said, well, I got your information based

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on idols of my podcast and descriptions. And I was like, oh,

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so you're just gleaming like descriptions in titles and assuming

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that is everything that I am personally saying and standing behind.

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It's taking those data and profileing. Yeah, and I was like,

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wait a minute.

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So when I saw this, I was like, well, how

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is that translating to people out there searching for like

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people like me or you or anybody? When when you

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get this AI summary of you that is taken out

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of context and doesn't really relate to what you're actually

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saying or what you believe in. I thought I shared

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that because I was like, wow, that was that was

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eye opening, you know where we're at. Yeah, Well, it's

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kind of like the algorithm as a whole, where it

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takes what you're looking at and feeds it to you

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because it's you know, it feeds you more of it

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because it thinks that's your interests. So if you stop,

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if you're scrolling on TikTok and you stop too long

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on a video, it is you like it. Absolutely, There's

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no nuance there.

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So the idea that you are being judged based off

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of headlines is I mean, obviously that is surface level.

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It's not going granular. It's not getting into the conversation.

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I would wonder do you do transcriptions in your in

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your shout? I think I think my host does it automatically,

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but I don't. I don't outright, you know, click the

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link to do it or anything. Maybe I should, I

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don't know. I'm just wondering if it would actually use

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that data, if it means there is that much metadata,

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would that start to halter, like, would it be nuanced

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enough to look at the conversation as a whole and

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make an opinion?

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Yeah, you're right?

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And this also this also to me, it's also revealed

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the limitations because everybody thinks that AI is so advanced,

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Like everyone thinks, oh, they're listening right, that they are,

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that it's like listening to everything you're saying. Well, it's

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obviously not scanning podcast episodes or anything on YouTube and

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actually listening to the audio and then summarizing what's what's

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going on. It's just reading text right now. But I

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find it revealing because we can always be categorized or

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or be surmised to be something we're not, which can

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actually hurt us out there in the world in terms

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of what we're trying to say and represent. So I

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thought you would find that interesting. I thought i'd share

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that with you because I was like, wow, I didn't know,

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this is what they thought of me out there, you know,

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as far as you know Google or AI anyway, So

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that was very interesting.

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You know, it's the spread of information too fast because

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in the age of Nielsen ratings, you know, you were

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still generalized. A Nielsen box would categorize and put you

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up upon its head. It literally puts you in a box. Right, yeah, absolutely,

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this is just it happening fast, right, And there's no

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way to put to put Pandora back in the box

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if you will, like I mean you you, I would

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like to think that if you did what we just

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discussed with the metadata, that that would alter things. I

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don't think that going that deep, and I don't think

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they're going to waste compute power in the name of accuracy,

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you know, I agree.

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And this this whole surface level view of who people

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are is really I think it's really hurt in society

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in my opinion, because there's too much gleaming of you know,

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skimming the top and not going any deeper. And uh,

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you know, everyone just walks away with this misrepresentation of

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what's really happening in terms of conflicts, geopolitical events, et cetera,

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and even just who you or I are as a person,

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and it's it's like.

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How do we fight that.

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I mean, yeah, like you said, maybe transcriptions, more metadata,

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et cetera. But I'm not sure it's it's really ready

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or prepared to go that deep, or even if it

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wants to, or whoever's pulling the strings wants.

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To go that deep. No.

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I think AI is biased obviously, so and look, I've

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gotten in full on arguments with AI about I've asked

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AI for its advice on something, something that I'm well

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versed in. I can't even remember what the conversation was,

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and it was wrong and I was like, no, no,

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you're wrong, and it was like, no, no, I'm right.

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I'm like, no, you're Oh it was arcades. So it

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was arcade repair. Okay, So I'm like, very well versed

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in arcade repair. And it starts telling me about Nintendo

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PCBs and logic boards and the serial number assignments, and

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I'm like, no, that's not right, that's wrong, that's wrong,

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you know, And to the extent that I started doubting

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when I know, I know, you know, and I went

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I went off of AI and kind of went back

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to my.

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Old resources, and of course I was correct.

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But all it's doing is is it's a it's glorified

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Google search.

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It is.

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It's just it's literally just a aggregator of info and

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then it's just trying to collect it and they come

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up with its own summarization of what it is. I

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had the same experience that you had when I was

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arguing with Groc, to be honest, and I won't say

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specifically what the argument was about, but it did have

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to do with a geopolitical event. And so another political commentator,

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by the way, people can't say this, I'm doing air quotes,

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made a statement about a conflict that was going on

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at the time, and I pushed back on the guy

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because I know my history of the region, and one

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of his supporters used Grok to try to debunk me.

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So I was like, oh really, okay, well Grock's wrong.

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So I went down this rabbit hole at GROC, and

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Groc eventually got backed into a corner and admitted that

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I was right. I was like, what, yeah, no, I remember,

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oh god, when I first started messing with catch ept,

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so it would have been a year and a half ago,

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and I was like, so, who you know?

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I do the Disney Live streams and I've been doing about

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two years. So I'm like, who do you think would

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make a good CEO successor to Bob Enger?

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Huh?

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And I said, give me, give me your top five.

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And one of the people that gave me was an executive,

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a former Google executive, but sure passed away six months

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before I hit that sirt wow, and it recommended her

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and I said, Susan has passed away. She passed away

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from cancer. And AI said, my search do not show

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anything related to her. That's crazy, and it kept endorsing

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her and I said.

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No, no, no, no, no. She It took me pushing.

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Back three maybe four times before it decided to go

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deeper and said, upon further research, she wanted for.

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Well, okay, a couple more things since we're on AI.

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One the study or report that came out that admitted

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that AI right now is not reliable in terms of

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implementing safety features with robots. I don't know if you

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read that or if you saw the headline. Okay, so

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so there.

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But you but you but you had me at AI

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is not reliable, right? Yeah? Yeah.

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I think Sam Altman also is in the news where

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I think of Sam Malton and I got double check

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I have, I have the news the report saved, but

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you can very you can fact check me on this.

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But I believe with Sam Altman, Uh, they just invested

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about thirty I think it was a million or billion,

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let's just say million into genetic embryo manipulation basically, you know,

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genetic coding, which I found interesting as well. You know,

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the the someone who's at the forefront of AI wants

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to get in bold.

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And manipulating the human genome. Interesting.

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Uh yeah, well, look, I mean Sam Altman is a

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is a slippery character.

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I think most of these guys are.

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We talked about Elon I think the last time we chatted, Yeah,

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we did. These guys not only do they not have

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any any ethic or more more ethical or moral confidence,

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I don't. I don't think they have the discipline to

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lead us into the future with AI. Now, Scott, who

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I were with, who I think it's jumped in here,

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made a comment when I had him on the podcast

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a couple of weeks ago that we may hit the

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bubble before we actually get where we're going.

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And I first, and I'm a time to believe that's true.

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Yeah, I think I agree with that statement, I do

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absolutely So outside of that, I mean, you know, the

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world right now is crazy again. I just had that

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conversation with Curvin Oakland. He's he's an ex Army intelligence

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channelist and he's actually still in the intelligence community. So

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you know, some stuff we talk about he can't reveal,

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like exact things for for reasons. I don't really have

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to explain, I'm sure, but live right now.

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Yeah, thank you, excuse me, I'll tell you George. Oh,

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I don't know. I don't know what I told you before. Anyway,

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go on, Oh, I'm sorry, I apologize. I'll continue about

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I didn't I'm sorry I didn't hear you.

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So the the conversation, first off, we talked about Venezuela,

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and I don't want to get too deep into that. Uh,

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I'll just say that there's a lot going on that

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we don't understand with that situation, and a lot of

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it can be a strategic move by the United States.

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Others other things may be to you know, basically, what

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people because of the cost. You know, they don't they're

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not really aligned right now. But the government and the

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people there. But as far as like the gerald Ford

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going over to that giant, you know, warship, the biggest

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one we have was actually re routed there because it

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was already done what was going on over in the

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Middle East. So it wasn't like it was a intentional

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move for for example, but it was something that they

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had to do. When we start talking about China's involvement

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over there with the Panama Canal and their other there

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are other investments if they're trying to make to control

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that area. And so the more the more we talked,

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you know, it's like this operation that was just announced.

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And the thing about these operations that he explained from

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his military background was like, look, just because there's an

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operation analysis, i't mean we're actually doing anything. He said,

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a lot of times they have to say that there's

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an operation, for example, for funding, because the military is

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very bureaucratic, and so this just sets sets things up

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for them to get funding for the operation, to try

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to get personnel in line. But it doesn't mean we're

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actually taking military action, even though Venezuela's taking it that way.

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But we did talk about well, I kind of pushed

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back and I was like, well, what's going on in

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your in your mind or what you think, because what

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about what's going on with the narco terrorists?

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Right?

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Why are we Why are we just blowing these people up?

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And we can argue about due process and all that,

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but the reality is, you know, these these narco organizations

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were designated as terrorists so that that there's a there's

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a there's a fine line there where the military could

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take action not But at the same time, I told

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Kerbin was like, and he agreed with me, It's like,

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with all the training our military has and how proficient

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we are, why are we not if if this is

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who we know to be narcos for example, why are

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we not just taking these boats over interesting these people

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instead of just blasting them. I get you can take

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take the whole anti terrorist side, but at the same time,

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you know these operations when it comes to to narcos.

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From everyone I've talked to that is like XDE agents

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and FBI is they already know what's going on, they

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know the trade route, they know exactly what's happening, they

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know who the players are, and they don't engage. They

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don't engage military for example, or a coastguard until they know,

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they always work jointly, and a lot of the information

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and intel is based on what the DEA is providing.

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So these operations, these investigations are in effect, and so

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there's that side of it that a lot of us

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aren't full. But at the same time, it's like, should

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we be like shooting and destroying before we actually you know,

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get these people, interrogate them and find out what's really happening.

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It was a very interesting conversation and it still leaves

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me asking questions. Just put that way, and you know,

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there's that possibility of like, well, are we setting ourselves

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up for a regime regime change in Venezuela. Well maybe

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I'm not really sure, but it was. It was an

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interesting conversation for sure. Uh And again I walked away

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with probably more questions than I have answers for. But

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at least at least I can say that, you know,

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everyone who thinks that there's actual military action, like of

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course Trump mobilizing sixteen thousand troops, well that's already part

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of what's going on with with with Southcomb or the

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southern area of responsibility, like the commanding commanding military position

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out there. It's not that we're mobilizing troops to invade.

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So again, I thought that was a bit eye opening.

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I thought i'd share that with everyone as well.

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Yeah.

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Look, I'm I'm still of the mindset, and I know

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this is like a broad point, but right when it

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comes to anything we're doing abroad, I'm looking at it

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and I'm going, where is the America place?

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I know I didn't. I didn't.

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Yeah, I didnt vote for this guy, And I'm curious

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how you feel, But I'm like, where is the America?

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What's just now getting out of this government shutdown? Where?

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Where where are our leaders prioritizing our problems? You know,

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I can go on about what's going on around the world.

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I had my opinions on how to handle terrorism. I

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had my opinions on us imposing regime change. But when

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it all comes down to it, it should always step inmates.

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It should always second fiddle to taking care of the

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American people. And I don't know how you as some

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that supports just add and reconcile and it's also betting

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very noisy around apolitics.

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No, that's all right.

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I just feel like I'm sitting down having coffee with

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you at a restaurant, which is really cool. I'll be honest, man,

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I am not. I am not necessarily in a favor

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of regime change for the reason that who is next

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in line is not always the better option.

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Okay.

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And I think that geopolitics a lot of people don't understand.

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There's a lot of nuance, and I think a lot

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of people. Not to offend anybody, by the way, I'm

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not off anybody, but a lot of people are naive

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to how geopolitics works.

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It's literally about power and control. It's asserting your global

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position to be the leader of the world or the authority. Now,

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we can disagree with everything the US does. Example, I'm

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with you, You've said it before.

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I don't believe we need to be funding as many

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people as we do, like we literally fund I think

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it was less one of the two hundred and twenty

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or two hundred and forty countries and territories around the

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entire globe. And the first thing everybody thinks about is

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how much money we send into Israel. Yes, we send them, honestly,

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in my opinion, too much money. But at the same time,

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they're not the only people we're funding. We're not, And

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so what you got to look at is from this perspective,

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is a lot of this funding, this AID is a

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way of the United States creating inroads to relationships. And

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in some cases people may disagree with this, which is fine,

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but the reality is it's also where we're positioning ourselves

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to have leverage. Okay, so it's it's a dirty game,

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it really is. I don't agree with everything that we

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do whatsoever. But if we step out and create that vacuum,

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are we ready for China to take up the mantle?

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Are we ready for Putting to take up the mantle?

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For example?

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Both of those both of those guys are standing off

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to the side, just weighing the pounds.

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Absolutely, Yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right.

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And so anyway, that's just my opinion, and I'm not

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saying that I'm right, Like my opinion is not necessarily

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the end. I'll be all in that situation. But it

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comes to you know, politics, It is dirty. There is

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a reason these things are done. And no, I don't

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agree with it all as far as America. First, yes,

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agree with you. I think for way too long we've

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put our interest to the side for the interests of others.

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But I don't believe in America only. You know, we

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can't be this island nation.

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I agree, But when you when you sell something and

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when add on the Canaigns trail, Oh yeah, you're talking

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about Trump. Yeah, and then what you're doing is focusing

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on what's abroad. And I understand, particularly what Israel I

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mean the strategic the strategic relationship has already been about

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having a footthold in the region.

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It's always good about boyl.

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Yeah, yeah, well yeah, most of the least is absolutely

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about that.

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I always get shredded when I say this, but it's

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the one thing that the right and the left in

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Congress support unequippoedly is Israel. And I say that as

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a Jewish American, and I get a lot of pushback

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for them, but it's the truth. I'm like that, you

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got a question. The one thing that they all agree

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on equipment, And I'm not anti. I support Israel, I

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support I support the people of the region. I don't

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sell the leaders of either government.

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And that's an.

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Important distinction, though you know a lot of people don't

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don't don't get It's like criticizing the nation state or

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government Israel is different than criticizing the Jewish people, for example,

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not everybody. It's the same as saying everything Trump does

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represents every American. It just doesn't equate. It's not the same.

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No, it does on the global stage. But that's just

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because that's well understood.

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But then the argument is also, but the argument is

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also that now who represents all Jews?

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No, he represents all Israeli people, not everyone that exists

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to it. That's a huge mistake. That's a very different nationality.

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Ones are religion rights. That's a level of nuance. So

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I understood whose actions represent based on what you're you're

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theorizing that now that wong whose actions represents the Israeli people,

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not the Jewish people. And that's where semotism gets brought

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to the state side here domestically, and then gets conslated

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with Israel policy.

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Israel is not Judaism. They are very well yeah.

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True, but there I mean we as a Jew, as

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someone who's Jewish, you, I mean you got you have

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to all submit. There's only one Jewish state. Oh, I

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have issues with that.

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But this is very separate from the reality that Israel

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may be a Jewish state, but the Israeli people are

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a mixed bag. There are Muslims, there are Christians, there

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are Jews. I mean Christmas, there's Christmas trees up in

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them all. Of course, it's not diverse, no, no, no, but

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I'm saying, but, but we live in a very black

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and white world. Even though it's it was crazy that

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people live in a very black and white world. Yeah,

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it's great world, it's great. And so there's a level

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of nuance there that doesn't get really broken down. And

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then I think that's means anti Semitism.

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I'm not disagreeing with you. I mean you and I

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have a problem. That's why I have a problem with that. Yahoo.

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By the way, I can't stand that. Yeah, yeah, we

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see it pretty much the same way. Man.

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You know, I think people are conflating the government of

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Israel and their actions, uh with what the people of

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Israel really want.

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And I guess that's a better, better way to say this.

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And I think everybody, I think the people of Israel.

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I mean I talked to Mark Schulman a couple of

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times here on Stacked. I think the people of Vibert

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wants stability in the weekend. I think generally speaking, that's

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not coming from that Yahoo. And I so most most

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people also support the palace. Most people in that region

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support the Palestinian people.

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Are we are we to say then the Israeli people.

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I mean, I don't think that Yahoo's is after after

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this going on, I don't know if he's going to

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be voted back in or continue his reign.

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He does, it'll be for corruption. It won't be anything,

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Jim True, I agree with that. Well, yeah, I can't

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stand beating that.

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Yeah, I agree, But listen, this is it's getting really

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noisy here and I want to give you my school attention.

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And I feel like I'm being in a data by people.

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And when I was saying you earlier so much just

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came up to me and started talking to me. And

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I was like, I'm live right now, and she's like, oh,

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I don't care, I just want to talk to you.

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I'm like, no, I do, I do. I'm talking to

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George right now.

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No, you're It's it's all fine. All I hear is

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chat in the background. It's okay. Say it's safe.

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Same. Look.

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Look, so what I want to do maybe maybe even

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that Sunday, if you're up for it.

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I don't.

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I don't know what's his schedule. It looks like maybe

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we step down, I can do a proper chat face

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to face. I feel like we get more mindlage out

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of those chats doing it that way.

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Well, I mean, there's it's there's there's a lot loss

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when you can't see people's faces and reactions, for sure, Yes,

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But you know that Being that being said, I mean, look,

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I think this is I still like this opportunity with you,

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appreciate it. But you know, it's just that when we're

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talking about earlier with geopolitics, you know, for example AI,

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it's just let's just change this a bit. It's just

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so crazy how the world's become. And I think a

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lot of what's going on too outside of like what's

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really what the governments of these nations are really doing.

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How the information space, you know, this information warfare has

482
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.400
has become what it is today, and how people are

483
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.920
led by likes, clicks and the number of followers. And

484
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.160
that's another conversation I had recently, and I know that

485
00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.079
you and I talked about this before a little bit,

486
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:15.440
but it seems like it's been ramping up, Like can

487
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.119
can we not attribute a lot of this, like anti Semitism,

488
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:23.480
for example, to just what's being stirred up on social media?

489
00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:26.359
Yeah, at solon at Solon Yeah.

490
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.079
And and with that being said, it's it's like I

491
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.880
think a lot of people like, look, we use social media.

492
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.720
Everybody that's listening around here right now is using social media.

493
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:37.640
I don't have a problem with it whatsoever. But I

494
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:39.720
think a lot of people need to understand this isn't

495
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.880
the real world because as soon as you, I mean,

496
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.039
more to the point X for example, that place is

497
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.119
I can't even I have to step away many times

498
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:51.279
because it's so convoluted with I'm on these days, I've

499
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.839
taken a huge break because it's just such a negative energy.

500
00:24:54.319 --> 00:25:00.200
It's behind the algorithm is so negative. Right, Well, where

501
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:01.640
I'm going with this is, you know, when I'm getting

502
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:03.759
back to these political commentators, I'm not going to name

503
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:04.200
anyone out.

504
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:05.200
I do it on my show, but I won't do

505
00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:08.200
it on yours. Everyone, What do I do? All right?

506
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:11.079
Well, okay, so when we're talking about let me just

507
00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:13.319
show someone else. Let's say, like Dave Smith. I mean,

508
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:14.440
I don't know, I have a thing with him lately

509
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:18.720
for whatever reason. But this is just for example's sake, everybody,

510
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.240
I'm not I'm not necessarily bashing him, but this is

511
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.759
what this is what I'm going to tell everybody is51200:25:23.839 --> 00:25:27.160



a lot of these people think they're extremely relevant on51300:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.000



the big stage. For example, they believe that their their51400:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.119



political reach and what they have to say is accepted51500:25:33.200 --> 00:25:36.400



in back by everybody. When I was doing the numbers,51600:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.200



I realized there was like three hundred I think it51700:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.440



was three hundred and forty six or forty two million51800:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.640



people in the United States. So of those people, one51900:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.880



hundred and eleven million are actually on X. So it's52000:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.160



less than half, right, And then if you if you52100:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.720



take that number and apply it to how many voter52200:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.559



aged people that are on the USA, there's only two52300:25:57.680 --> 00:26:01.519



hundred and eighty four million voter aged persons, So less52400:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.720



than half of those voter age persons are using X. Also,52500:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.400



only fifty nine percent of X users actually use it52600:26:08.440 --> 00:26:12.559



and engage for political reasons. So people like Dave Smith,52700:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.200



for example, and myself too, I mean, I'll include myself,52800:26:15.720 --> 00:26:20.119



we're only actually talking to maybe thirty percent of the52900:26:20.240 --> 00:26:23.279



voter aged people of the United States of America.53000:26:23.680 --> 00:26:24.920



And I mean, I mean, you're not even looking at53100:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.160



the numbers that disenfranchised, right, all the people that don't53200:26:27.160 --> 00:26:29.480



even vote. So yeah, you have a very small amount53300:26:29.519 --> 00:26:33.599



of loud people driving than there even exactly in quote53400:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.240



unquote alternative vida.53500:26:35.440 --> 00:26:39.319



Which is crazy, and I agree. I'm just hoping that53600:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.799



one day, you know, people will question more. And I53700:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.839



get it because we don't have the time, like you53800:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.440



know myself and clude like we have our routines, we53900:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.079



have everything we're doing throughout the day, and you know,54000:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.240



you're busy, you're taking the kids, let's say to you know,54100:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.680



soccer or whatever you're doing. Right, you have all these schedules,54200:26:56.680 --> 00:26:58.759



your work, your job, and you see a headline pop54300:26:58.839 --> 00:27:01.640



up and you're like, oh wow, that's what's and you54400:27:01.640 --> 00:27:03.279



don't necessarily have the time to do a deeper diver54500:27:03.400 --> 00:27:06.319



So I get it. I wish people would stop just54600:27:06.440 --> 00:27:09.240



taking the headline or just gleaming the surface and taking54700:27:09.279 --> 00:27:11.799



it for face value. I want to at some point54800:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.640



see more people question and do their own research. I54900:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.599



think that's another issue that we're having. What you did55000:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.759



that happen to me with the AI search, right, that's55100:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.839



just exactly it. That's the problem, George, because there are55200:27:23.880 --> 00:27:25.359



two types of people. They're going to be the people55300:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.519



that trust everything that AI says them, and it's going55400:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.279



to dumb them down because they're going to accept all55500:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.759



the erroneous results as fact.55600:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.119



Right, there's the type of people that are going to55700:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.519



understand that it's just there.55800:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.440



To optimize and you can't just use it without sack checking.55900:27:40.640 --> 00:27:43.279



You can't have it right for you without reading it.56000:27:43.359 --> 00:27:47.039



You can't have it. It's a multiplier, it's not a56100:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.400



replacement to it. So I think it's going to do56200:27:49.400 --> 00:27:51.359



great for guys like us that recognize that and are56300:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.160



willing to do the de diligence. But I think the56400:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.079



mass population is going to wind up getting swept up56500:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.000



in the the fact that they will no longer be56600:27:59.039 --> 00:27:59.920



able to tell what's real.56700:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.960



And that's what important.56800:28:03.319 --> 00:28:04.920



You know what, Russ I just saw this pop up56900:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.519



Ronald is Trump isn't a cult?57000:28:09.720 --> 00:28:10.160



You know what?57100:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.880



That's That's funny because I was going to actually segue57200:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.839



a little bit with you into what you yourself have57300:28:16.000 --> 00:28:20.680



you know, your opinion on this whole maga conservative infighting is.57400:28:20.799 --> 00:28:26.119



But as far as is Trump isn't a cult, I57500:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.559



think that maga right now, since since you know that's57600:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.440



that's the hot topic these days, I think a lot57700:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.559



of people are cult like and but I don't think57800:28:36.559 --> 00:28:37.599



it's just limits to maga.57900:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.839



Let me just clarify that. I mean there's but I58000:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.200



think that's transcendto politics. I think it's social media as58100:28:42.240 --> 00:28:42.559



a whole.58200:28:43.359 --> 00:28:43.559



Yeah.58300:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.119



Yeah, And and but when it does come to politics,58400:28:46.160 --> 00:28:49.359



there there there is a lot of cultism in or58500:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.599



cult like behavior in politics in general.58600:28:51.920 --> 00:28:53.279



That's exciting. Correct.58700:28:53.680 --> 00:28:53.880



Yeah.58800:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.559



Absolutely, And to answer Ronald, I think there is a58900:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.680



lot of that going on. I'm not going to say59000:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.519



that there isn't. I think some people are just riding59100:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.680



this Trump train and without question, and I will say59200:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.640



and I'm gonna I'm gonna say this, guys, I'm gonna59300:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.240



say this. I did vote for him, and you could59400:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.119



hate me for that. It's fine. I just didn't like59500:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.480



the alternative. Everyone has their opinions, but it doesn't mean59600:29:15.519 --> 00:29:17.400



I'm bought in. I mean, if you ever listen to59700:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.400



my show, if anyone does, I am critical of him too.59800:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.000



I don't.59900:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.880



I'm not saying everything he does make sense whatsoever, because60000:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.440



it doesn't. Where I'm at right now, is I fear60100:29:27.599 --> 00:29:31.599



is this cult like this cult like behavior that that60200:29:31.680 --> 00:29:35.119



ron asked about, is is it going to continue and60300:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.119



carry over to the next president if they happen to60400:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.880



be Republican. A lot of people are looking at Jadie Vance.60500:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.799



I got to be honest, I'm not sure he's going60600:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.279



to be the guy. I think a lot of what60700:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.680



Trump is doing is hurting jad Advance right now, and60800:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.359



I don't think it's going to be able to push60900:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.759



He's got the tech money though. If they want him,61000:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.039



they'll get him. The question is well going to be61100:29:53.079 --> 00:29:54.359



the alternative standing?61200:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.079



There is that? Yeah, yeah, there is that. There is that.61300:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.319



You're right, money money does I mean, it does move61400:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.119



the world by Peter Field. So, but is it is61500:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.599



that enough to convince people? Because here's the thing we're61600:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.279



looking at you, for example, people, George, you know that61700:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.000



all you have to do is so disinformation.61800:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.000



We've already talked about this, but this goes right back61900:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.160



to the AI conversation because now when people don't know62000:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.440



what's true anymore, they're forming their opinions off of misinformation.62100:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.640



They were are doing that social media.62200:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.359



Now you add a lie to it, it's going to62300:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.839



be very very easily too. It's going to be very62400:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.440



very easy to manipulate elections. Whether we're talking about deep62500:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.799



states where we're talking about m Ai telling you that62600:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.839



your candidate has this, that, and the other opinion like62700:30:37.839 --> 00:30:39.240



they did with you and then they don't.62800:30:39.880 --> 00:30:44.960



So well, okay, hold on, you were absolutely correct in that.62900:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.680



But let me let let me let me push back63000:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.880



a little on this. It's going to be hard to63100:30:51.880 --> 00:30:56.400



to to we through, as you said, the disinformation when63200:30:56.400 --> 00:30:57.240



it comes to an next election.63300:30:57.319 --> 00:30:57.480



Right.63400:30:58.519 --> 00:31:00.519



But but this is where I was going to go63500:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.200



with this. If you're monitoring what's going on around the world,63600:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.519



the gen Z uprising right now. Okay, so there was Peru, Nepal,63700:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.440



what's going on in Africa right now? You have the63800:31:08.480 --> 00:31:13.279



protests in Mexico. I think a lot of the younger63900:31:13.319 --> 00:31:18.640



generation are seeing past the bullshit. There's already been two64000:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.759



governments overthrown by these gen Z uprisings. Now a lot64100:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.960



of that has to do with resources. For example, if64200:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.880



we're talking about Africa, their governments can even provide running water, electricity, food.64300:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.559



There's a lot of things going on there that caused this.64400:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.759



Their governments are not trustworthy. In America, we don't have64500:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.160



that disparity, right. We're not an emerging economy or a64600:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.799



third world as some people say, but there's a lot64700:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.640



of opportunity in our system that a lot of the64800:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.079



youth feel are not there for them anymore. And even64900:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.440



for people of my age or your age, you know,65000:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.880



it seems like it's getting harder and harder to push65100:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.799



through that barrier, that wall, to get to the next level.65200:31:57.160 --> 00:32:01.119



So I wonder how long it is since already in65300:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.680



Mexico it's it's it's it's happening. It just happened, right,65400:32:03.680 --> 00:32:09.359



they overran the police, they overran the palace. How how65500:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.279



much longer is it going to be before the youth65600:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.759



in America start to do the same thing. I don't65700:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.279



know if the next election that the disinformation is going65800:32:18.359 --> 00:32:19.720



to be enough, because I think a lot of people65900:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.359



are really seeing through the BS.66000:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.319



I don't know, I don't know if there will be.66100:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.240



You know, you look at past sort of quot uprisings,66200:32:26.279 --> 00:32:28.880



whether it was b l M, whether it was Occupy66300:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.720



Wall Street. Right, I even point to this no case66400:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.480



thing that has happened, and I go, okay, so there's66500:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.680



really no leadership and it doesn't correlate to getting up66600:32:38.720 --> 00:32:39.160



the vote.66700:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.160



Okay, this don't know King's rally.66800:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.359



You know, it looks good from a social media perspective,66900:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.119



But if you can only get those people out when67000:32:48.119 --> 00:32:49.400



they're poed and not why.67100:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.039



It's time the vote and it's all or not. So67200:32:51.039 --> 00:32:52.319



where's the organ is name shared?67300:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.519



As far as far as those examples, yes, But when67400:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.480



it comes to this gen Z uprising, I mean we're67500:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.720



looking at two actual governments were toppled. We're talking about67600:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.079



that physically fighting, but the government they're not. But they're67700:33:04.079 --> 00:33:09.359



not Americans, They're not exactly is conditioned. And and I67800:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.319



just I question if the drive is there, and I67900:33:12.400 --> 00:33:13.920



questioned if the leadership was there.68000:33:14.759 --> 00:33:15.960



You look at Occupy Wall Street.68100:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.480



I always point back to that that was the most68200:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.000



ineffective thing I've ever seen from a protest perspective, Like68300:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.720



it made a lot of noise, but they had no68400:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.759



had no call to action, they had no mission, no68500:33:26.799 --> 00:33:27.400



real direction.68600:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.279



Yeah. Correct, So so are we due for it? Yes?68700:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.920



Are we equipped for it? I don't know, that is68800:33:34.960 --> 00:33:36.960



the question. And then that that's the question I'm I'm68900:33:37.160 --> 00:33:41.880



I'm bringing Also it's like could it maybe? I mean69000:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.160



we we we do. We have seen a lot of youth,69100:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.119



a lot more vocal than they used to be. Anyway,69200:33:47.119 --> 00:33:48.640



I'm just throwing that out there. It's just something to69300:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.039



keep an eye on because you know, it's it's it's69400:33:52.039 --> 00:33:53.319



become a global movement.69500:33:53.960 --> 00:33:54.200



Yeah.69600:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.839



And they they're communicating with each other through decentralized communication69700:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.960



via social media. And and again, I mean when you69800:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.680



also look at what's ripe with what's happening with America,69900:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.799



you see the disenfranchised youth following Nick Fuentes, the pipe70000:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.719



piper of yeah, driving the wedge in America. He's got70100:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.679



no stuff, He's all, oh, he's a troll, big time.70200:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.400



I don't damn it entertaining, he is entertainment and Roy's listen, man,70300:34:22.719 --> 00:34:26.159



how can how can these again like a Dave Smith guy,70400:34:26.400 --> 00:34:32.360



how can these social media political commentators or podcasters, comedians whatever.70500:34:32.519 --> 00:34:33.039



How can they?70600:34:33.079 --> 00:34:37.320



How can they take a position of America first looking70700:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.920



out for for for for those that are less than70800:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.000



that that you that have needs to switching to backing70900:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.840



Nick Fuentes, who has been a blatant racist, who admires Hitler,71000:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.599



admires Stolen, even said it on Tucker Carlson's interview, for example,71100:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.840



and Tucker said nothing, yeah, and and and he has this.71200:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.800



If you read between the lines, you actually because I71300:34:56.840 --> 00:34:58.519



actually watch a few of his episodes. I want to71400:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.480



make this very clear. A lot of people always put71500:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.119



back to say you're taking them out of context. Well,71600:35:02.599 --> 00:35:04.440



for the sake of not taking Nick out of context,71700:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.760



I watch about five of his episodes front to back,71800:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.960



just to be just to see how we work, right,71900:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.400



And the guy is literally wanting a utopian Nazi America.72000:35:15.559 --> 00:35:16.639



Like literally, he.72100:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.360



Doesn't believe what he says. I don't think he.72200:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.199



I think it's just like candas he says whatever he72300:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.199



wants to say, is it clicks? And then this ruck72400:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.719



well true? Okay, that mean, well, let me say that72500:35:25.800 --> 00:35:27.320



may be a modern day shot job.72600:35:27.920 --> 00:35:28.719



That may be true.72700:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.239



So at what point that if what you're saying is true, Royce,72800:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.239



at what point, as you've discussed with me before, do72900:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.239



we start holding these people accountable for for for not73000:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.840



self censoring or self moderating Thatselve.73100:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.960



So that's where we get into the nitty gritty, because73200:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.400



I suggest that Congress is the one that needs to73300:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.000



start regulating content, and people can say, well, do you73400:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.800



really want to put all that power in.73500:35:52.719 --> 00:35:53.559



The hands of Congress?73600:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.760



And I say, well, the people can't regulate them sell73700:35:56.480 --> 00:36:00.000



and the platforms aren't doing it. So it's our leaders73800:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.960



and they're failing us. But I want to I want73900:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.280



to kind of pitot to answer answer Ronald's que established74000:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.960



from three times and I never voted for Trump. They74100:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.519



can answered the question. Most people in this country completely disenfranchised.74200:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.039



They feel like that they are born without any opportunity74300:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.199



to succeed. Okay, and despite the fact that Donald Trump74400:36:19.639 --> 00:36:21.760



was born than a silver spoon in his mouth, he74500:36:21.880 --> 00:36:27.800



always spoke to working class people. He always spoke unsiltered,74600:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.239



and he was ingrained our culture from the eighties forward.74700:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.760



I mean, he's his name is mentioned in Countless or Brattitude,74800:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.360



So he was ingrained in our culture, which means people74900:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.800



knew him. So when you put up anybody that looks75000:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.159



less than authentic against the guy like that, people will75100:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.960



vote for him because they see him from view he is,75200:36:45.079 --> 00:36:47.760



even if they do not like him. He brings gen75300:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.079



and that's a hard field for people to swallow. No,75400:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.360



I mean, he knew his base, he knew his audience75500:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.559



for sure, and that's that's exactly what we're seeing with75600:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.960



people like Nick Fuentas. For example, going back to Nick,75700:36:58.800 --> 00:37:04.760



he knows he knows how to target people's frustrations.75800:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.360



He is a desperate soul. Absolutely, he's playing the great sympathizer.75900:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.960



I can lead you to a better way, come on.76000:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.079



Board, and he can't because because he's a terd in76100:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.039



plain English, and I know that's not really eloquent way76200:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.679



of saying, but he's a turn And George, these people76300:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.440



around me are driving me a foot wall right just76400:37:23.480 --> 00:37:25.760



by their presence, just by the presence between you and I.76500:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.440



They can you hear me? There's a driver. Are the76600:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.079



closing in on you? They're closing in on me? And76700:37:31.159 --> 00:37:33.159



like I don't, I don't. I don't relate to the76800:37:33.239 --> 00:37:37.239



humans generally, So there's a lot for me. He's a lot.76900:37:37.320 --> 00:37:37.880



That's funny.77000:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.159



Yeah, But look, I think I think this is why77100:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.800



guys like you and I should keep talking, because like77200:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.719



I could sit here and answer Rob's question in a77300:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.559



way that maybe I hope will make more sense than77400:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.159



if it comes from a guy like you who voted77500:37:53.199 --> 00:37:54.800



for you, because some people just and I'm not saying77600:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.480



dissing Ronald, you.77700:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.920



Are the person, but some people have that wall up.77800:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.719



And I understand that he wanted disruptor.77900:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.760



I've always wanted the selector's right, all these days Ralph78000:38:03.800 --> 00:38:05.239



Nader running I was at MSG.78100:38:05.519 --> 00:38:06.920



I've always wanted a disruptor.78200:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.199



Donalds had my vote at the top of the escalator78300:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.039



and he lost it to them.78400:38:11.719 --> 00:38:13.480



We will, yeah, you know, and people do want to78500:38:13.480 --> 00:38:19.039



shake things up, and I think the problem is is78600:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.480



we're never going to have an honest politician ever.78700:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.880



I hope that is not the case in the future,78800:38:25.639 --> 00:38:26.400



but you.78900:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.280



Know, I got I got to think that people got79000:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.480



to understand you're being lied to every day. It doesn't79100:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.920



matter if it's a Democrat, doesn't matter, if it's Republican,79200:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.599



doesn't matter, if it's independent. Everybody's going to say what79300:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.039



they what you want to hear to get the votes.79400:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.400



Who they are is always revealed once they're in office, right,79500:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.760



I mean, how many of are elected uh elected officials?79600:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.159



For example, let's talk about Congress. They're actually doing what79700:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.039



you voted them in to do? Are they really representing it?79800:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.280



They're all listen and the talent show is Congress. Okay,79900:38:58.440 --> 00:38:59.920



you can look at the executive branch.80000:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.400



The consistent failure in our country is and will almost80100:39:04.440 --> 00:39:06.440



be Congress. These are the guys that have been there80200:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.480



for ever. The Schumer, it's the Pelos Sees, the mcconnells.80300:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.639



So yes, I don't really buy into because with proper80400:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.760



chests and balances, then you wouldn't have to constantly, you know,80500:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.280



you would have to constantly point the finger at the AD.80600:39:21.679 --> 00:39:24.159



With proper checks and balances, they'd be able to check80700:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.199



the ADMIN and then you wouldn't have to deal with80800:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.159



some of this nonsense. But what Trump is doing to80900:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.960



effective least moving so fast. He knows that they're not81000:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.360



pushing back, pushing back quick enough the system to do slow.81100:39:34.239 --> 00:39:35.599



And he learned that from Ray Tong.81200:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.360



Okay, so what he's doing is putting pushing as much81300:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.519



in out there onto the system as possible and essentially81400:39:43.559 --> 00:39:44.480



overloading it.81500:39:45.960 --> 00:39:47.599



And that's what I don't even where we have with81600:39:47.639 --> 00:39:51.679



the tarifstewards. You know, I don't know. I don't know81700:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.280



what's happening with that. Look I'm watching it.81800:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.159



Throwing the nut. I think he should run throw us.81900:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.400



I'm serious, me, what's like a leader? We we were,82000:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.599



we were a tariff nation at one point in our history.82100:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.519



But here here's here's my thing with tariffs. They're not82200:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.480



going away. Uh, the absurdity of how they're being used82300:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.320



as a weapon is the problem. So we're always going82400:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.119



to happen that we have to hand all that money back.82500:40:19.440 --> 00:40:27.320



Well exactly that bankers up like it's Trump Casino. I'm asked, well, no, look,82600:40:27.599 --> 00:40:33.000



let me just say this here, Americans, Jason, are we82700:40:33.679 --> 00:40:37.840



tariffs are the way tariffs were were the way Trump82800:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.320



was Okay, this is how it was explained in the82900:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.400



beginning that Trump was supposed to use this right, it83000:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.159



was just supposed to be leverage, a way to renegotiate83100:40:46.280 --> 00:40:47.360



and make things more even.83200:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.119



But he got away from that. He never stuck to83300:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.360



that plan, and now he's just using it as a83400:40:53.360 --> 00:40:56.400



weapon to get other people to bend. But I mean,83500:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.920



it's proven that other countries are not necessarily going to83600:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.719



bend the need to Trump problems.83700:41:00.840 --> 00:41:01.800



So are you surprised?83800:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.679



Are you surprised that instead of using it strategically, he's83900:41:04.800 --> 00:41:05.559



using it like the form.84000:41:06.000 --> 00:41:06.800



No, No, I'm not.84100:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.760



I'm not that surprised whatsoever. But what Trump is doing,84200:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.079



what he doesn't realize is like tariffs are a road84300:41:12.360 --> 00:41:16.679



to isolationism. And you can't isolate America because the economy84400:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.400



is global, it's being global for many, many years. We84500:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.400



can't get away from this global economy.84600:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.239



We're too dependent that you can't manufacture your way out84700:41:25.239 --> 00:41:26.320



of any no.84800:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.159



Exactly, I was. I was literally just going to say that.84900:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.599



We're too dependent on other nations for their expertise, for85000:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.320



the resources we don't all have. We don't have it85100:41:37.360 --> 00:41:38.960



all in our own backyard. It's just not gonna happen.85200:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.400



We have to work with everybody, period. But again, the85300:41:41.400 --> 00:41:42.199



problem China.85400:41:42.800 --> 00:41:47.440



China takes all of our business, all of our manufacturing business, right,85500:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.159



And not only do they take that business, then they85600:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.719



turn around and they steal the insolestable property is from85700:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.039



the people that are doing business.85800:41:54.039 --> 00:41:54.880



And then they greate us.85900:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.000



They do, they treat pans, and they overflood the marketplace.86000:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.920



So we're we have to figure out that dance.86100:42:02.280 --> 00:42:02.360



You know.86200:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.840



I've had enough conversations now dealing with some people where86300:42:05.119 --> 00:42:06.400



I used to think.86400:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.920



Oh, we're China, We've got to win the war.86500:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.039



And I've kind of been talked off that ledge by86600:42:11.079 --> 00:42:14.000



having these types of conversations. I will admit that, and86700:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.440



I think that we just need some dance better with them.86800:42:17.159 --> 00:42:18.800



But I think we need to be more aggressive.86900:42:19.239 --> 00:42:23.800



Well, we can't, we can't, we can't ignore China's economic87000:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.079



prowess in the world whatsoever. But we also got to87100:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.599



realize that China is not Western culture. They don't see87200:42:28.599 --> 00:42:30.559



it the way we do, you know. And and these87300:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.760



companies are like, well, we have patents on this, they87400:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.760



shouldn't be seeing We're going to sue them. Well, good luck.87500:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.280



China doesn't have to comply, you know. How are you87600:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.199



going to force another nation to comply? It's not gonna happen.87700:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.119



I was privy to this a long time ago because87800:42:42.159 --> 00:42:44.559



I'm I'm in the events industry, right, so I literally87900:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.000



provide staging, lighting, sound, I do the whole concert thing.88000:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.880



I do corporate events, I do arena tours, And in88100:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.440



my particular industry, we're talking about lighting, and we'll talk88200:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.039



about brands like Martin Relationshape. If anyone who's listening knows88300:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.519



what I'm talking about, I love.88400:43:00.119 --> 00:43:00.320



Yeah.88500:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.960



They've been battling this for years and where they'll come88600:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.960



up with a certain design, certain technology, and they have88700:43:09.039 --> 00:43:10.880



these plants in China and then all of a sudden,88800:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.480



you see these clones, and we see other people using88900:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.360



these clones out there of these lightings. So they're trying89000:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.159



to meet what's called a tour writer for anyone who89100:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.400



doesn't know. It's basically an artist sends you a writer,89200:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.360



and a part of that's a tech writer. So what89300:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.559



will happen is to say, well, for an orders to perform,89400:43:24.639 --> 00:43:26.760



I need this console brand, for example, which is like89500:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.320



a mixing board. All right, I need this type of89600:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.280



lighting in the grid because my guide designed the lighting89700:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.159



based on these fixtures. And so what happened is you89800:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.639



started seeing people buying these knockoffs and trying to push89900:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.440



them off as the actual brand to be going on90000:43:40.519 --> 00:43:42.480



for many years, and then you go to use them90100:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.119



and the profiles don't match, like there's always something off.90200:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.519



So when this started happening, people like Shave and Martin90300:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.239



for example, are losing money. They're trying to push back90400:43:52.239 --> 00:43:53.880



and the same thing happened. I mean, let's just talk90500:43:53.880 --> 00:43:57.360



about cell phones with Apple, right, with any cell phone90600:43:57.400 --> 00:44:02.239



that is Android based. And this has been going a90700:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.159



long time. I think it's just coming to light now90800:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.360



because of the tariff situation where people are paying more attention.90900:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.360



But this is something China's always done. This isn't new.91000:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.800



This is not new news.91100:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.559



For example, I think people just never really really really91200:44:15.599 --> 00:44:16.719



realized it was happening.91300:44:19.800 --> 00:44:20.199



No, I know.91400:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.360



I remember dealing with this with Hangle it Hangling lasers91500:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.760



and then dongles, and you could get the unofficial dongoles,91600:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.920



so you could start need like a certain license for91700:44:29.000 --> 00:44:29.519



a laser.91800:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.280



And I was like, well, this is a safety.91900:44:31.960 --> 00:44:35.639



Issue that now our market is being flooded with like92000:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.719



fake laser authentication and fake certification and all this. So92100:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.199



I remember that with abdongles, they're like the four hundred92200:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.000



dollars dondles be given cheaper. And now now you didn't92300:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.400



have official certification to use the laser, but you had92400:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.960



the Chinese certification, and a lot of people were trustling92500:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.320



off to that, which was a safety issue because somebody92600:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.159



in that crowd gets hit live with a laser, they'll92700:44:56.159 --> 00:44:56.679



get blinded.92800:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.599



Right, Absolutely, you have to regulate that, absolutely.92900:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.199



But that's These are the real issues that nobody talked93000:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.039



about with no bog products, especially in the in this Mexic.93100:45:09.800 --> 00:45:15.639



Well, the deal with that, you can't deal with it.93200:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.320



That's the reality. We can't police China and tell them93300:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.440



you can't produce this or produce that. The only way,93400:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.719



the only way we can regulate it is, let's say93500:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.320



in the United States person, when like when we were93600:45:28.320 --> 00:45:33.159



talking about quality and safety, Uh, that has to be stopped.93700:45:33.519 --> 00:45:35.760



When those goods are coming in, they have to be93800:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.719



I think what needs to happen is some of these93900:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.360



goods need to come in be inspected for safety and94000:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.280



verify that they're safe for operation before they're actually accepted94100:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.280



and then flooded into our market. But you can't also94200:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.039



stop the black market either, So can we get ahead94300:45:52.039 --> 00:45:53.599



of it? I think we can do a lot if94400:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.480



we're actually taking those products. If there was another office94500:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.159



set up here to Q see these products that are94600:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.519



coming in, that part supposed to be requires that requires legislation,94700:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.719



and that requires to do their job. And I know94800:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.960



I'm a broken record with that.94900:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.119



No, you're not all starts there, man, I don't hear95000:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.840



you're You're not a broken record. All these ideas are fantastic,95100:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.920



but without effective leaders, did we don't get and now95200:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.000



we're just dying on the vine. But AI dying on95300:46:19.039 --> 00:46:23.400



the viny odset moderation. We bypassed that neutrality. Yep, you know.95400:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.559



Well let's talk about Congress again. So Congress, if I95500:46:27.599 --> 00:46:29.639



did a deep I forgot which episode I did so,95600:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.880



And if anyone hears me, I may be off on95700:46:31.880 --> 00:46:33.719



some of my recall, to be quite honest, it's been95800:46:33.719 --> 00:46:37.679



a while. But Congress, if you look at Congress historically,95900:46:37.840 --> 00:46:41.440



it was supposed to be a service right sometime around96000:46:41.800 --> 00:46:43.199



the and it was never supposed to be a long96100:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.599



term career whatsoever. So sometime around I think it was96200:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.840



a late sixties, early seventies, I believe I got I96300:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.280



gotta go back, But somewhere around that period is when96400:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.880



Congress actually voted to instill and up their salary. And96500:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.840



I think at that point it was either bumped to96600:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.519



about sixty to seventy something thousand dollars a year or96700:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.480



something like that. Ever since then they have voted to96800:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.119



up their salary and their benefits. Right now we're at96900:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.119



what one hundred and seventy five or one hundred and97000:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.639



seventy some one thousand a year is a salary for Congress,97100:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.159



And it was never supposed to be a career. And97200:47:19.280 --> 00:47:23.000



now we see these people serving long term. I mean97300:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.559



they get in in their thirties or forties and they97400:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.440



go until they either letra medically uncapable to serve or97500:47:29.840 --> 00:47:35.360



basically they're on that course. So the way we fix97600:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.079



this is we got it. We got to really instilled97700:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.480



term limits regardless.97800:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.679



I think. But who's gonna lead that charge?97900:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.119



I mean, you're really gonna need you're really gonna lead98000:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.719



I hate to stay it. You're gonna need a tyrannical, yeah,98100:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.400



executive officer to come in and do that. And then98200:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.480



people we're gonna call him a dictator and all these things.98300:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.079



But it's gonna take a little tier and to reboot98400:47:57.079 --> 00:47:57.519



the system.98500:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.800



So but but but here's the thing, though, do the98600:48:02.920 --> 00:48:05.440



do the people not have a responsibility? Do we not98700:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.679



care enough to hold our government accountable? Because we really98800:48:07.719 --> 00:48:08.280



don't do that.98900:48:08.599 --> 00:48:10.639



We're two usually going on, but most of the countries99000:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.239



doesn't shelf them vote exactly. So if we really wanted99100:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.320



to use technology as a weapon, we can organize effectively,99200:48:17.400 --> 00:48:19.880



and we can we can vote all of these guys out.99300:48:20.239 --> 00:48:21.760



But the willpower has to be there.99400:48:21.920 --> 00:48:23.480



And I think part of the problems, George is most99500:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.840



people are stuck trying to get by every day, week,99600:48:26.159 --> 00:48:26.960



every damn day.99700:48:27.440 --> 00:48:29.880



That's exactly to worry about these things. So they get99800:48:29.880 --> 00:48:30.639



stuck in the system.99900:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.199



They get stuck in the nine to five job, the100000:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.400



recursive loop, the medical system, trying to the kids of education,100100:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.000



all of these things, and there's no time to worry100200:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.960



about government. Well, if I get all, worrying about government100300:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.239



could solve their problems. But when they see it's broken,100400:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.079



they become disenfranchised and they just can very true.100500:48:47.199 --> 00:48:49.519



And I guess we could blame Henry Ford for the100600:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.440



five day work week.100700:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.159



But the thing is is what you're saying is exactly100800:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.639



what I believe in what I say. You know, people100900:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.159



are too busy to keep their heads down. It's not101000:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.840



not necessary. Their fault. We've created this society to where101100:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.440



we become overwhelmed and feel the pressure to be involved101200:49:08.440 --> 00:49:12.199



in all this crap that in the in the graands101300:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.719



skim things means nothing. We're not we're not a paying101400:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.679



we're not paying attention to our garment, we're not hold like,101500:49:16.800 --> 00:49:20.280



we're not holding them accountable whatsoever. If we did, there101600:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.719



would be the change that you're talking about. Do we101700:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.440



need a dictator to make that work?101800:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.760



Yeah? I think be true too. That's hiring. That's hiate, okay, tyrant.101900:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.159



The problem is all that is dictator. Oh okay, sorry102000:49:34.159 --> 00:49:38.079



I misheard you. So, but you know, more than one102100:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.480



think could be true at the same time, right, Absolutely, Congress.102200:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.880



Congress needs to be overhauled. I believe, I believe you're correct.102300:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.320



Needs needs to be overhauled. We need term limits. You102400:49:48.320 --> 00:49:50.760



shouldn't be able to serve. Tell you're eighty like, look102500:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.599



sixty five, whatever the retirement age. I mean, I get102600:49:54.639 --> 00:49:58.079



them out. I think at some point you take away102700:49:58.079 --> 00:50:02.360



their pay checks if it's if it's evolved, absolutely, and102800:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.360



that could be one way to put the squeeze on them. Right,102900:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.360



if you're going to close down, you don't get paid.103000:50:06.480 --> 00:50:07.960



If you're not shown off to work, you don't get paid.103100:50:08.119 --> 00:50:10.679



I mean it's like us if you know, if we103200:50:10.679 --> 00:50:12.360



have a full time job, you have so much vacation,103300:50:12.440 --> 00:50:14.239



pay so much sick time, whatever the hell it is.103400:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.480



You don't get to bleed the system dry and the103500:50:17.519 --> 00:50:22.559



taxpayers dry. But continuing to make your disorbitant salaries because103600:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.039



on YouTube are not going to work.103700:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.800



But that's the one percent. And you're only going to103800:50:26.880 --> 00:50:28.280



change by storming to the steel.103900:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.239



And I know that's controversial, especially after you know what104000:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.480



is going on in though it's few years, but.104100:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.079



Absolutely it's the truth. Man.104200:50:35.800 --> 00:50:37.719



You got to be a disruptor. And look, I don't104300:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.039



support this guy. You know that, But I understand the104400:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.000



want of people. Do No, I I like it.104500:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.320



It doesn't mean I like it, but I can as104600:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.280



somebody that stands in the middle consistently, I can look104700:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.039



at it and I can understand it, and I just104800:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.920



wish that there were better options on the table because104900:50:54.960 --> 00:50:55.360



I think.105000:50:56.480 --> 00:50:57.320



I think if you.105100:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.800



Go back to that first twenty sixteen election and you105200:51:00.800 --> 00:51:02.519



look at Basic and you look at Cruise, and you105300:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.239



look at Ribio, and you realize the region Trump one105400:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.079



is because none of those guys would check their ego105500:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.599



and he won by a margin, a slim margin, you'd105600:51:11.599 --> 00:51:12.159



realize it.105700:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.599



People did it the first Okay, they voted for the105800:51:15.599 --> 00:51:21.400



Shelby mm hmm. Good point. Good point. I'm gonna wrap105900:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.000



this up though, if you don't mind it, and that's106000:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.599



none of all. Good. Now, all agreed.106100:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.119



The disruption is fine disruption, listen, that's the that's the106200:51:29.199 --> 00:51:33.920



nuance of all. Disruption is fine, not violence. Disruption. Yeah,106300:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.480



we do have to shake stuff up, for sure. Well,106400:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.400



I mean, yeah, if you want to wrap this up,106500:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.639



I'm fine with that. I'm about yeah, I'm mostly through106600:51:42.679 --> 00:51:43.679



my cigar right now.106700:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.239



It took the opportunity sit out side since we're doing106800:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.400



audio only, so I didn't want to wake my wife106900:51:48.480 --> 00:51:49.079



up either side.107000:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.400



I'm having a hard time focusing, to be honest with you.107100:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.079



Ohies man, listen, you gotta do yeah, yah, yeah, no, dude,107200:51:58.119 --> 00:51:59.800



you gotta do. I'd be happy to come back and107300:51:59.880 --> 00:52:01.519



you other time. And at the same time, I'd love107400:52:01.519 --> 00:52:02.760



to have you back on my show too. I think107500:52:02.800 --> 00:52:04.679



there's a lot that we can catch up on discuss107600:52:04.760 --> 00:52:05.079



for sure.107700:52:07.159 --> 00:52:07.800



Solutely. Yeah.107800:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.440



I know he just grasped the service to you. So George,107900:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.400



thank you, and let's let's uh again.108000:52:12.440 --> 00:52:13.960



I don't know. I don't even think we have anybody108100:52:13.960 --> 00:52:14.360



on Sunday.108200:52:14.400 --> 00:52:15.440



So if you want to even if you want to108300:52:15.480 --> 00:52:16.519



do another one, or you want to wait a week108400:52:16.559 --> 00:52:17.599



until you let me not ask.108500:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.360



Oh no, I'm gamed. Uh do me a favor.108600:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.800



Just reach back out, have Keanu reach back out to me,108700:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.960



and I'll see if I can make this happen.108800:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.280



Thank you, sir, all right, Thank you, Roch appreciate it,108900:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.800



Thank you everybody, Thank you for listening, and we'll see109000:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.119



yes time. George fotis world ablate all right, buyer right now,109100:52:36.199 --> 00:52:36.320



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