Nov. 16, 2025

Guest On AM Coffee with Royce D'Orazio

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Sharing the conversation I had with Royce D'Orazio as a guest on his show, 'AM Coffee".

We discuss AI, Israel, Geopolitical relationships, disinformation, and ask if MAGA is a cult.

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome to an am coffee.

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I am here with George Fontis World of Blaze, which

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it continues to be.

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Right. How are you, sir, Man?

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I am good, appreciate you having me on. I actually

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tune into your Sunday mornings even though I'm on the

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West Coast because I'm such an early bird I can

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barely sleep half the time. So you're one of the

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few that are on live that I would listen to

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because I respect you and we've you know, we've chatted

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a few times, so I'm like, yeah, I'll tune in.

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And having the opportunity to be on the show with

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you this morning, is it works out?

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Great? And happy to be here man, Yeah, thank you.

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I'm I'm in the field. But we'll do a proper

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video to sit down next to men. Yeah, no worries,

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I'm good. Tell me what's on your mind.

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We were kind of talking a little AI before we went.

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Yeah, I brought that up because I mean, you bring

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it when we when we've always conversated, you bring up

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AI and you know where things are going. And I

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had an interesting AI related experience when it came to

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the Google AI. You know, so when you could do

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searches and it says, you know, go deep with AI

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had a little little tab up there to the left.

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And the reason this happened is I just had a

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guest on yesterday. He's an intelligence analyst and we're talking

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about many different topics, and while I'm trying to edit

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the show, I was like, oh, I think he changed

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his logo. So I was like, I just did a

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search for his new logo, downloaded, Dale's going to put

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it into the video. And then all of a sudden,

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I'm like, I see all these explanations about him and

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his podcast. I was like, all right, well, let me

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go down this AI rabbit hole, see what it says

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and see how accurate it is. So it gives a summary,

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and we're going through this whole thing. Me and AI

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are going back and forth of clicking all the links,

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so like, all right, let me see what it says

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about me, because I was like, I've never done this before.

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And it had the summary that was pulled for my description, right,

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and there's these links that go deeper and it starts

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to it starts to put me in this this box

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er categorize me as someone who is pro Israel, pro

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war or wants to take over Gaza, and I support

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everything Trump does. Now that being said, you know, I

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lean right, so I am a bit conservative, but it

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doesn't mean I agree with everything Trump does. So I

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start clicking these links and go, well, okay, it says

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for further information click here on for example, what I

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feel about trust policy? What did I say about Hamas?

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What do I say about Gaza? And the more I

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go down this rabbit hole, it starts. It starts to

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literally frame me as a right wing pro Israel, pro war,

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anti Palestine person, I'm like wow. And so I finally

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tell Ai. I said, hey, this is George Fonts. I

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was like, where are you getting this information? And it's

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responding well, based on things that you have said and

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posted and this and that, and I'm like huh. So

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I responded saying, well, you took everything I said at

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a context. I said, I still challenge where you got

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your information, and it eventually admitted to me, and it

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actually apologized and said, well, I got your information based

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on idols of my podcast and descriptions. And I was like, oh,

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so you're just gleaming like descriptions in titles and assuming

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that is everything that I am personally saying and standing behind.

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It's taking those data and profileing. Yeah, and I was like,

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wait a minute.

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So when I saw this, I was like, well, how

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is that translating to people out there searching for like

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people like me or you or anybody? When when you

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get this AI summary of you that is taken out

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of context and doesn't really relate to what you're actually

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saying or what you believe in. I thought I shared

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that because I was like, wow, that was that was

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eye opening, you know where we're at. Yeah, Well, it's

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kind of like the algorithm as a whole, where it

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takes what you're looking at and feeds it to you

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because it's you know, it feeds you more of it

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because it thinks that's your interests. So if you stop,

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if you're scrolling on TikTok and you stop too long

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on a video, it is you like it. Absolutely, There's

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no nuance there.

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So the idea that you are being judged based off

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of headlines is I mean, obviously that is surface level.

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It's not going granular. It's not getting into the conversation.

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I would wonder do you do transcriptions in your in

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your shout? I think I think my host does it automatically,

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but I don't. I don't outright, you know, click the

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link to do it or anything. Maybe I should, I

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don't know. I'm just wondering if it would actually use

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that data, if it means there is that much metadata,

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would that start to halter, like, would it be nuanced

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enough to look at the conversation as a whole and

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make an opinion?

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Yeah, you're right?

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And this also this also to me, it's also revealed

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the limitations because everybody thinks that AI is so advanced,

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Like everyone thinks, oh, they're listening right, that they are,

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that it's like listening to everything you're saying. Well, it's

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obviously not scanning podcast episodes or anything on YouTube and

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actually listening to the audio and then summarizing what's what's

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going on. It's just reading text right now. But I

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find it revealing because we can always be categorized or

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or be surmised to be something we're not, which can

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actually hurt us out there in the world in terms

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of what we're trying to say and represent. So I

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thought you would find that interesting. I thought i'd share

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that with you because I was like, wow, I didn't know,

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this is what they thought of me out there, you know,

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as far as you know Google or AI anyway, So

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that was very interesting.

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You know, it's the spread of information too fast because

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in the age of Nielsen ratings, you know, you were

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still generalized. A Nielsen box would categorize and put you

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up upon its head. It literally puts you in a box. Right, yeah, absolutely,

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this is just it happening fast, right, And there's no

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way to put to put Pandora back in the box

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if you will, like I mean you you, I would

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like to think that if you did what we just

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discussed with the metadata, that that would alter things. I

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don't think that going that deep, and I don't think

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they're going to waste compute power in the name of accuracy,

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you know, I agree.

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And this this whole surface level view of who people

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are is really I think it's really hurt in society

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in my opinion, because there's too much gleaming of you know,

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skimming the top and not going any deeper. And uh,

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you know, everyone just walks away with this misrepresentation of

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what's really happening in terms of conflicts, geopolitical events, et cetera,

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and even just who you or I are as a person,

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and it's it's like.

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How do we fight that.

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I mean, yeah, like you said, maybe transcriptions, more metadata,

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et cetera. But I'm not sure it's it's really ready

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or prepared to go that deep, or even if it

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wants to, or whoever's pulling the strings wants.

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To go that deep. No.

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I think AI is biased obviously, so and look, I've

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gotten in full on arguments with AI about I've asked

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AI for its advice on something, something that I'm well

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versed in. I can't even remember what the conversation was,

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and it was wrong and I was like, no, no,

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you're wrong, and it was like, no, no, I'm right.

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I'm like, no, you're Oh it was arcades. So it

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was arcade repair. Okay, So I'm like, very well versed

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in arcade repair. And it starts telling me about Nintendo

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PCBs and logic boards and the serial number assignments, and

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I'm like, no, that's not right, that's wrong, that's wrong,

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you know, And to the extent that I started doubting

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when I know, I know, you know, and I went

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I went off of AI and kind of went back

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to my.

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Old resources, and of course I was correct.

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But all it's doing is is it's a it's glorified

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Google search.

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It is.

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It's just it's literally just a aggregator of info and

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then it's just trying to collect it and they come

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up with its own summarization of what it is. I

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had the same experience that you had when I was

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arguing with Groc, to be honest, and I won't say

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specifically what the argument was about, but it did have

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to do with a geopolitical event. And so another political commentator,

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by the way, people can't say this, I'm doing air quotes,

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made a statement about a conflict that was going on

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at the time, and I pushed back on the guy

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because I know my history of the region, and one

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of his supporters used Grok to try to debunk me.

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So I was like, oh really, okay, well Grock's wrong.

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So I went down this rabbit hole at GROC, and

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Groc eventually got backed into a corner and admitted that

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I was right. I was like, what, yeah, no, I remember,

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oh god, when I first started messing with catch ept,

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so it would have been a year and a half ago,

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and I was like, so, who you know?

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I do the Disney Live streams and I've been doing about

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two years. So I'm like, who do you think would

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make a good CEO successor to Bob Enger?

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Huh?

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And I said, give me, give me your top five.

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And one of the people that gave me was an executive,

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a former Google executive, but sure passed away six months

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before I hit that sirt wow, and it recommended her

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and I said, Susan has passed away. She passed away

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from cancer. And AI said, my search do not show

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anything related to her. That's crazy, and it kept endorsing

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her and I said.

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No, no, no, no, no. She It took me pushing.

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Back three maybe four times before it decided to go

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deeper and said, upon further research, she wanted for.

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Well, okay, a couple more things since we're on AI.

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Uh.

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One the study or report that came out that admitted

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that AI right now is not reliable in terms of

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implementing safety features with robots. I don't know if you

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read that or if you saw the headline. Okay, so

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so there.

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But you but you but you had me at AI

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is not reliable, right? Yeah? Yeah.

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I think Sam Altman also is in the news where

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I think of Sam Malton and I got double check

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I have, I have the news the report saved, but

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you can very you can fact check me on this.

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But I believe with Sam Altman, Uh, they just invested

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about thirty I think it was a million or billion,

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let's just say million into genetic embryo manipulation basically, you know,

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genetic coding, which I found interesting as well. You know,

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the the someone who's at the forefront of AI wants

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to get in bold.

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And manipulating the human genome. Interesting.

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Uh yeah, well, look, I mean Sam Altman is a

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is a slippery character.

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I think most of these guys are.

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We talked about Elon I think the last time we chatted, Yeah,

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we did. These guys not only do they not have

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any any ethic or more more ethical or moral confidence,

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I don't. I don't think they have the discipline to

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lead us into the future with AI. Now, Scott, who

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I were with, who I think it's jumped in here,

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made a comment when I had him on the podcast

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a couple of weeks ago that we may hit the

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bubble before we actually get where we're going.

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And I first, and I'm a time to believe that's true.

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Yeah, I think I agree with that statement, I do

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absolutely So outside of that, I mean, you know, the

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world right now is crazy again. I just had that

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conversation with Curvin Oakland. He's he's an ex Army intelligence

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channelist and he's actually still in the intelligence community. So

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you know, some stuff we talk about he can't reveal,

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like exact things for for reasons. I don't really have

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to explain, I'm sure, but live right now.

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Yeah, thank you, excuse me, I'll tell you George. Oh,

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I don't know. I don't know what I told you before. Anyway,

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go on, Oh, I'm sorry, I apologize. I'll continue about

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I didn't I'm sorry I didn't hear you.

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So the the conversation, first off, we talked about Venezuela,

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and I don't want to get too deep into that. Uh,

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I'll just say that there's a lot going on that

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we don't understand with that situation, and a lot of

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it can be a strategic move by the United States.

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Others other things may be to you know, basically, what

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Madeurel's doing is to try to gain favor with the

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people because of the cost. You know, they don't they're

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not really aligned right now. But the government and the

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people there. But as far as like the gerald Ford

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going over to that giant, you know, warship, the biggest

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one we have was actually re routed there because it

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was already done what was going on over in the

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Middle East. So it wasn't like it was a intentional

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move for for example, but it was something that they

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had to do. When we start talking about China's involvement

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over there with the Panama Canal and their other there

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are other investments if they're trying to make to control

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that area. And so the more the more we talked,

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you know, it's like this operation that was just announced.

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And the thing about these operations that he explained from

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his military background was like, look, just because there's an

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operation analysis, i't mean we're actually doing anything. He said,

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a lot of times they have to say that there's

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an operation, for example, for funding, because the military is

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very bureaucratic, and so this just sets sets things up

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for them to get funding for the operation, to try

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to get personnel in line. But it doesn't mean we're

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actually taking military action, even though Venezuela's taking it that way.

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But we did talk about well, I kind of pushed

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back and I was like, well, what's going on in

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your in your mind or what you think, because what

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about what's going on with the narco terrorists?

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Right?

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Why are we Why are we just blowing these people up?

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And we can argue about due process and all that,

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but the reality is, you know, these these narco organizations

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were designated as terrorists so that that there's a there's

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a there's a fine line there where the military could

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take action not But at the same time, I told

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Kerbin was like, and he agreed with me, It's like,

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with all the training our military has and how proficient

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we are, why are we not if if this is

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who we know to be narcos for example, why are

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we not just taking these boats over interesting these people

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instead of just blasting them. I get you can take

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take the whole anti terrorist side, but at the same time,

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you know these operations when it comes to to narcos.

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From everyone I've talked to that is like XDE agents

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and FBI is they already know what's going on, they

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know the trade route, they know exactly what's happening, they

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know who the players are, and they don't engage. They

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don't engage military for example, or a coastguard until they know,

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they always work jointly, and a lot of the information

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and intel is based on what the DEA is providing.

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So these operations, these investigations are in effect, and so

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there's that side of it that a lot of us

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aren't full. But at the same time, it's like, should

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we be like shooting and destroying before we actually you know,

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get these people, interrogate them and find out what's really happening.

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It was a very interesting conversation and it still leaves

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me asking questions. Just put that way, and you know,

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there's that possibility of like, well, are we setting ourselves

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up for a regime regime change in Venezuela. Well maybe

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I'm not really sure, but it was. It was an

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interesting conversation for sure. Uh And again I walked away

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with probably more questions than I have answers for. But

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at least at least I can say that, you know,

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everyone who thinks that there's actual military action, like of

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course Trump mobilizing sixteen thousand troops, well that's already part

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of what's going on with with with Southcomb or the

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southern area of responsibility, like the commanding commanding military position

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out there. It's not that we're mobilizing troops to invade.

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So again, I thought that was a bit eye opening.

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I thought i'd share that with everyone as well.

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Look, I'm I'm still of the mindset, and I know

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this is like a broad point, but right when it

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comes to anything we're doing abroad, I'm looking at it

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and I'm going, where is the America place?

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I know I didn't. I didn't.

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Yeah, I didnt vote for this guy, And I'm curious

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how you feel, But I'm like, where is the America?

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What's just now getting out of this government shutdown? Where?

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Where where are our leaders prioritizing our problems? You know,

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I can go on about what's going on around the world.

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I had my opinions on how to handle terrorism. I

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had my opinions on us imposing regime change. But when

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it all comes down to it, it should always step inmates.

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It should always second fiddle to taking care of the

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American people. And I don't know how you as some

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that supports just add and reconcile and it's also betting

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very noisy around apolitics.

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No, that's all right.

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I just feel like I'm sitting down having coffee with

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you at a restaurant, which is really cool. I'll be honest, man,

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I am not. I am not necessarily in a favor

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of regime change for the reason that who is next

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in line is not always the better option.

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Okay.

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And I think that geopolitics a lot of people don't understand.

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There's a lot of nuance, and I think a lot

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of people. Not to offend anybody, by the way, I'm

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not off anybody, but a lot of people are naive

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to how geopolitics works.

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It's literally about power and control. It's asserting your global

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position to be the leader of the world or the authority. Now,

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we can disagree with everything the US does. Example, I'm

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with you, You've said it before.

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I don't believe we need to be funding as many

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people as we do, like we literally fund I think

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it was less one of the two hundred and twenty

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or two hundred and forty countries and territories around the

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entire globe. And the first thing everybody thinks about is

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how much money we send into Israel. Yes, we send them, honestly,

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in my opinion, too much money. But at the same time,

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they're not the only people we're funding. We're not, And

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so what you got to look at is from this perspective,

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is a lot of this funding, this AID is a

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way of the United States creating inroads to relationships. And

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in some cases people may disagree with this, which is fine,

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but the reality is it's also where we're positioning ourselves

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to have leverage. Okay, so it's it's a dirty game,

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it really is. I don't agree with everything that we

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do whatsoever. But if we step out and create that vacuum,

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are we ready for China to take up the mantle?

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Are we ready for Putting to take up the mantle?

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For example?

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Both of those both of those guys are standing off

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to the side, just weighing the pounds.

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Absolutely, Yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right.

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And so anyway, that's just my opinion, and I'm not

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saying that I'm right, Like my opinion is not necessarily

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the end. I'll be all in that situation. But it

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comes to you know, politics, It is dirty. There is

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a reason these things are done. And no, I don't

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agree with it all as far as America. First, yes,

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agree with you. I think for way too long we've

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put our interest to the side for the interests of others.

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But I don't believe in America only. You know, we

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can't be this island nation.

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I agree, But when you when you sell something and

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when add on the Canaigns trail, Oh yeah, you're talking

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about Trump. Yeah, and then what you're doing is focusing

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on what's abroad. And I understand, particularly what Israel I

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mean the strategic the strategic relationship has already been about

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having a footthold in the region.

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It's always good about boyl.

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Yeah, yeah, well yeah, most of the least is absolutely

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about that.

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I always get shredded when I say this, but it's

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the one thing that the right and the left in

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Congress support unequippoedly is Israel. And I say that as

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a Jewish American, and I get a lot of pushback

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for them, but it's the truth. I'm like that, you

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got a question. The one thing that they all agree

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on equipment, And I'm not anti. I support Israel, I

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support I support the people of the region. I don't

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sell the leaders of either government.

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And that's an.

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Important distinction, though you know a lot of people don't

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don't don't get It's like criticizing the nation state or

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government Israel is different than criticizing the Jewish people, for example,

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not everybody. It's the same as saying everything Trump does

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represents every American. It just doesn't equate. It's not the same.

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No, it does on the global stage. But that's just

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because that's well understood.

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But then the argument is also, but the argument is

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also that now who represents all Jews?

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No, he represents all Israeli people, not everyone that exists

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to it. That's a huge mistake. That's a very different nationality.

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Ones are religion rights. That's a level of nuance. So

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I understood whose actions represent based on what you're you're

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theorizing that now that wong whose actions represents the Israeli people,

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not the Jewish people. And that's where semotism gets brought

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to the state side here domestically, and then gets conslated

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with Israel policy.

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Israel is not Judaism. They are very well yeah.

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True, but there I mean we as a Jew, as

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someone who's Jewish, you, I mean you got you have

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to all submit. There's only one Jewish state. Oh, I

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have issues with that.

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But this is very separate from the reality that Israel

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may be a Jewish state, but the Israeli people are

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a mixed bag. There are Muslims, there are Christians, there

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are Jews. I mean Christmas, there's Christmas trees up in

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them all. Of course, it's not diverse, no, no, no, but

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I'm saying, but, but we live in a very black

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and white world. Even though it's it was crazy that

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people live in a very black and white world. Yeah,

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it's great world, it's great. And so there's a level

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of nuance there that doesn't get really broken down. And

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then I think that's means anti Semitism.

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I'm not disagreeing with you. I mean you and I

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have a problem. That's why I have a problem with that. Yahoo.

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By the way, I can't stand that. Yeah, yeah, we

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see it pretty much the same way. Man.

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You know, I think people are conflating the government of

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Israel and their actions, uh with what the people of

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Israel really want.

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And I guess that's a better, better way to say this.

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And I think everybody, I think the people of Israel.

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I mean I talked to Mark Schulman a couple of

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times here on Stacked. I think the people of Vibert

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wants stability in the weekend. I think generally speaking, that's

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not coming from that Yahoo. And I so most most

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people also support the palace. Most people in that region

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support the Palestinian people.

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Are we are we to say then the Israeli people.

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I mean, I don't think that Yahoo's is after after

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this going on, I don't know if he's going to

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be voted back in or continue his reign.

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He does, it'll be for corruption. It won't be anything,

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Jim True, I agree with that. Well, yeah, I can't

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stand beating that.

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Yeah, I agree, But listen, this is it's getting really

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noisy here and I want to give you my school attention.

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And I feel like I'm being in a data by people.

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And when I was saying you earlier so much just

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came up to me and started talking to me. And

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I was like, I'm live right now, and she's like, oh,

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I don't care, I just want to talk to you.

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I'm like, no, I do, I do. I'm talking to

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George right now.

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No, you're It's it's all fine. All I hear is

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chat in the background. It's okay. Say it's safe.

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Same. Look.

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Look, so what I want to do maybe maybe even

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that Sunday, if you're up for it.

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I don't.

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I don't know what's his schedule. It looks like maybe

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we step down, I can do a proper chat face

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to face. I feel like we get more mindlage out

470
00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:14.240
of those chats doing it that way.

471
00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.119
Well, I mean, there's it's there's there's a lot loss

472
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.240
when you can't see people's faces and reactions, for sure, Yes,

473
00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:25.119
But you know that Being that being said, I mean, look,

474
00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:31.000
I think this is I still like this opportunity with you,

475
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:38.119
appreciate it. But you know, it's just that when we're

476
00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:43.559
talking about earlier with geopolitics, you know, for example AI,

477
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.960
it's just let's just change this a bit. It's just

478
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.039
so crazy how the world's become. And I think a

479
00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.440
lot of what's going on too outside of like what's

480
00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:56.000
really what the governments of these nations are really doing.

481
00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:59.880
How the information space, you know, this information warfare has

482
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.400
has become what it is today, and how people are

483
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.920
led by likes, clicks and the number of followers. And

484
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.160
that's another conversation I had recently, and I know that

485
00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.079
you and I talked about this before a little bit,

486
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:15.440
but it seems like it's been ramping up, Like can

487
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.119
can we not attribute a lot of this, like anti Semitism,

488
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:23.480
for example, to just what's being stirred up on social media?

489
00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:26.359
Yeah, at solon at Solon Yeah.

490
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.079
And and with that being said, it's it's like I

491
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.880
think a lot of people like, look, we use social media.

492
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.720
Everybody that's listening around here right now is using social media.

493
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:37.640
I don't have a problem with it whatsoever. But I

494
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:39.720
think a lot of people need to understand this isn't

495
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.880
the real world because as soon as you, I mean,

496
00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.039
more to the point X for example, that place is

497
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.119
I can't even I have to step away many times

498
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:51.279
because it's so convoluted with I'm on these days, I've

499
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.839
taken a huge break because it's just such a negative energy.

500
00:24:54.319 --> 00:25:00.200
It's behind the algorithm is so negative. Right, Well, where

501
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:01.640
I'm going with this is, you know, when I'm getting

502
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:03.759
back to these political commentators, I'm not going to name

503
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:04.200
anyone out.

504
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:05.200
I do it on my show, but I won't do

505
00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:08.200
it on yours. Everyone, What do I do? All right?

506
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:11.079
Well, okay, so when we're talking about let me just

507
00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:13.319
show someone else. Let's say, like Dave Smith. I mean,

508
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:14.440
I don't know, I have a thing with him lately

509
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:18.720
for whatever reason. But this is just for example's sake, everybody,

510
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.240
I'm not I'm not necessarily bashing him, but this is

511
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.759
what this is what I'm going to tell everybody is

512
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:27.160
a lot of these people think they're extremely relevant on

513
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.000
the big stage. For example, they believe that their their

514
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.119
political reach and what they have to say is accepted

515
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:36.400
in back by everybody. When I was doing the numbers,

516
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.200
I realized there was like three hundred I think it

517
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.440
was three hundred and forty six or forty two million

518
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.640
people in the United States. So of those people, one

519
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.880
hundred and eleven million are actually on X. So it's

520
00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.160
less than half, right, And then if you if you

521
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.720
take that number and apply it to how many voter

522
00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.559
aged people that are on the USA, there's only two

523
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:01.519
hundred and eighty four million voter aged persons, So less

524
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.720
than half of those voter age persons are using X. Also,

525
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.400
only fifty nine percent of X users actually use it

526
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:12.559
and engage for political reasons. So people like Dave Smith,

527
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.200
for example, and myself too, I mean, I'll include myself,

528
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:20.119
we're only actually talking to maybe thirty percent of the

529
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:23.279
voter aged people of the United States of America.

530
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:24.920
And I mean, I mean, you're not even looking at

531
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.160
the numbers that disenfranchised, right, all the people that don't

532
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:29.480
even vote. So yeah, you have a very small amount

533
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:33.599
of loud people driving than there even exactly in quote

534
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.240
unquote alternative vida.

535
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:39.319
Which is crazy, and I agree. I'm just hoping that

536
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.799
one day, you know, people will question more. And I

537
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.839
get it because we don't have the time, like you

538
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:48.440
know myself and clude like we have our routines, we

539
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.079
have everything we're doing throughout the day, and you know,

540
00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.240
you're busy, you're taking the kids, let's say to you know,

541
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.680
soccer or whatever you're doing. Right, you have all these schedules,

542
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:58.759
your work, your job, and you see a headline pop

543
00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:01.640
up and you're like, oh wow, that's what's and you

544
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:03.279
don't necessarily have the time to do a deeper diver

545
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:06.319
So I get it. I wish people would stop just

546
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:09.240
taking the headline or just gleaming the surface and taking

547
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:11.799
it for face value. I want to at some point

548
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:14.640
see more people question and do their own research. I

549
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:17.599
think that's another issue that we're having. What you did

550
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.759
that happen to me with the AI search, right, that's

551
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.839
just exactly it. That's the problem, George, because there are

552
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:25.359
two types of people. They're going to be the people

553
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.519
that trust everything that AI says them, and it's going

554
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.279
to dumb them down because they're going to accept all

555
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.759
the erroneous results as fact.

556
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.119
Right, there's the type of people that are going to

557
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.519
understand that it's just there.

558
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.440
To optimize and you can't just use it without sack checking.

559
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:43.279
You can't have it right for you without reading it.

560
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:47.039
You can't have it. It's a multiplier, it's not a

561
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.400
replacement to it. So I think it's going to do

562
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:51.359
great for guys like us that recognize that and are

563
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:53.160
willing to do the de diligence. But I think the

564
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.079
mass population is going to wind up getting swept up

565
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.000
in the the fact that they will no longer be

566
00:27:59.039 --> 00:27:59.920
able to tell what's real.

567
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.960
And that's what important.

568
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:04.920
You know what, Russ I just saw this pop up

569
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.519
Ronald is Trump isn't a cult?

570
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:10.160
You know what?

571
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.880
That's That's funny because I was going to actually segue

572
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.839
a little bit with you into what you yourself have

573
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:20.680
you know, your opinion on this whole maga conservative infighting is.

574
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:26.119
But as far as is Trump isn't a cult, I

575
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.559
think that maga right now, since since you know that's

576
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.440
that's the hot topic these days, I think a lot

577
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.559
of people are cult like and but I don't think

578
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:37.599
it's just limits to maga.

579
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:39.839
Let me just clarify that. I mean there's but I

580
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.200
think that's transcendto politics. I think it's social media as

581
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:42.559
a whole.

582
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:43.559
Yeah.

583
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.119
Yeah, And and but when it does come to politics,

584
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:49.359
there there there is a lot of cultism in or

585
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.599
cult like behavior in politics in general.

586
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:53.279
That's exciting. Correct.

587
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:53.880
Yeah.

588
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.559
Absolutely, And to answer Ronald, I think there is a

589
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.680
lot of that going on. I'm not going to say

590
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.519
that there isn't. I think some people are just riding

591
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.680
this Trump train and without question, and I will say

592
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.640
and I'm gonna I'm gonna say this, guys, I'm gonna

593
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.240
say this. I did vote for him, and you could

594
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.119
hate me for that. It's fine. I just didn't like

595
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.480
the alternative. Everyone has their opinions, but it doesn't mean

596
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:17.400
I'm bought in. I mean, if you ever listen to

597
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.400
my show, if anyone does, I am critical of him too.

598
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.000
I don't.

599
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.880
I'm not saying everything he does make sense whatsoever, because

600
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.440
it doesn't. Where I'm at right now, is I fear

601
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:31.599
is this cult like this cult like behavior that that

602
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:35.119
ron asked about, is is it going to continue and

603
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.119
carry over to the next president if they happen to

604
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.880
be Republican. A lot of people are looking at Jadie Vance.

605
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.799
I got to be honest, I'm not sure he's going

606
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.279
to be the guy. I think a lot of what

607
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.680
Trump is doing is hurting jad Advance right now, and

608
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.359
I don't think it's going to be able to push

609
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.759
He's got the tech money though. If they want him,

610
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.039
they'll get him. The question is well going to be

611
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:54.359
the alternative standing?

612
00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.079
There is that? Yeah, yeah, there is that. There is that.

613
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.319
You're right, money money does I mean, it does move

614
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.119
the world by Peter Field. So, but is it is

615
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.599
that enough to convince people? Because here's the thing we're

616
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.279
looking at you, for example, people, George, you know that

617
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.000
all you have to do is so disinformation.

618
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.000
We've already talked about this, but this goes right back

619
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.160
to the AI conversation because now when people don't know

620
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.440
what's true anymore, they're forming their opinions off of misinformation.

621
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.640
They were are doing that social media.

622
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.359
Now you add a lie to it, it's going to

623
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.839
be very very easily too. It's going to be very

624
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.440
very easy to manipulate elections. Whether we're talking about deep

625
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.799
states where we're talking about m Ai telling you that

626
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.839
your candidate has this, that, and the other opinion like

627
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:39.240
they did with you and then they don't.

628
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:44.960
So well, okay, hold on, you were absolutely correct in that.

629
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.680
But let me let let me let me push back

630
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.880
a little on this. It's going to be hard to

631
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:56.400
to to we through, as you said, the disinformation when

632
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:57.240
it comes to an next election.

633
00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:57.480
Right.

634
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:00.519
But but this is where I was going to go

635
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.200
with this. If you're monitoring what's going on around the world,

636
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.519
the gen Z uprising right now. Okay, so there was Peru, Nepal,

637
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.440
what's going on in Africa right now? You have the

638
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:13.279
protests in Mexico. I think a lot of the younger

639
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:18.640
generation are seeing past the bullshit. There's already been two

640
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.759
governments overthrown by these gen Z uprisings. Now a lot

641
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.960
of that has to do with resources. For example, if

642
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.880
we're talking about Africa, their governments can even provide running water, electricity, food.

643
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.559
There's a lot of things going on there that caused this.

644
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.759
Their governments are not trustworthy. In America, we don't have

645
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.160
that disparity, right. We're not an emerging economy or a

646
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.799
third world as some people say, but there's a lot

647
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.640
of opportunity in our system that a lot of the

648
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.079
youth feel are not there for them anymore. And even

649
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.440
for people of my age or your age, you know,

650
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.880
it seems like it's getting harder and harder to push

651
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.799
through that barrier, that wall, to get to the next level.

652
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:01.119
So I wonder how long it is since already in

653
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.680
Mexico it's it's it's it's happening. It just happened, right,

654
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:09.359
they overran the police, they overran the palace. How how

655
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.279
much longer is it going to be before the youth

656
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.759
in America start to do the same thing. I don't

657
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.279
know if the next election that the disinformation is going

658
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:19.720
to be enough, because I think a lot of people

659
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.359
are really seeing through the BS.

660
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.319
I don't know, I don't know if there will be.

661
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.240
You know, you look at past sort of quot uprisings,

662
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:28.880
whether it was b l M, whether it was Occupy

663
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.720
Wall Street. Right, I even point to this no case

664
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.480
thing that has happened, and I go, okay, so there's

665
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.680
really no leadership and it doesn't correlate to getting up

666
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:39.160
the vote.

667
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.160
Okay, this don't know King's rally.

668
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.359
You know, it looks good from a social media perspective,

669
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.119
But if you can only get those people out when

670
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:49.400
they're poed and not why.

671
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.039
It's time the vote and it's all or not. So

672
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:52.319
where's the organ is name shared?

673
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.519
As far as far as those examples, yes, But when

674
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.480
it comes to this gen Z uprising, I mean we're

675
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.720
looking at two actual governments were toppled. We're talking about

676
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.079
that physically fighting, but the government they're not. But they're

677
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:09.359
not Americans, They're not exactly is conditioned. And and I

678
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.319
just I question if the drive is there, and I

679
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:13.920
questioned if the leadership was there.

680
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:15.960
You look at Occupy Wall Street.

681
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.480
I always point back to that that was the most

682
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.000
ineffective thing I've ever seen from a protest perspective, Like

683
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.720
it made a lot of noise, but they had no

684
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.759
had no call to action, they had no mission, no

685
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:27.400
real direction.

686
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:31.279
Yeah. Correct, So so are we due for it? Yes?

687
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.920
Are we equipped for it? I don't know, that is

688
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:36.960
the question. And then that that's the question I'm I'm

689
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:41.880
I'm bringing Also it's like could it maybe? I mean

690
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.160
we we we do. We have seen a lot of youth,

691
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.119
a lot more vocal than they used to be. Anyway,

692
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:48.640
I'm just throwing that out there. It's just something to

693
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.039
keep an eye on because you know, it's it's it's

694
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:53.319
become a global movement.

695
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:54.200
Yeah.

696
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.839
And they they're communicating with each other through decentralized communication

697
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.960
via social media. And and again, I mean when you

698
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.680
also look at what's ripe with what's happening with America,

699
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.799
you see the disenfranchised youth following Nick Fuentes, the pipe

700
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:12.719
piper of yeah, driving the wedge in America. He's got

701
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.679
no stuff, He's all, oh, he's a troll, big time.

702
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.400
I don't damn it entertaining, he is entertainment and Roy's listen, man,

703
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:26.159
how can how can these again like a Dave Smith guy,

704
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:32.360
how can these social media political commentators or podcasters, comedians whatever.

705
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:33.039
How can they?

706
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:37.320
How can they take a position of America first looking

707
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.920
out for for for for those that are less than

708
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.000
that that you that have needs to switching to backing

709
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.840
Nick Fuentes, who has been a blatant racist, who admires Hitler,

710
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.599
admires Stolen, even said it on Tucker Carlson's interview, for example,

711
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.840
and Tucker said nothing, yeah, and and and he has this.

712
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.800
If you read between the lines, you actually because I

713
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:58.519
actually watch a few of his episodes. I want to

714
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.480
make this very clear. A lot of people always put

715
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.119
back to say you're taking them out of context. Well,

716
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:04.440
for the sake of not taking Nick out of context,

717
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.760
I watch about five of his episodes front to back,

718
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.960
just to be just to see how we work, right,

719
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.400
And the guy is literally wanting a utopian Nazi America.

720
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:16.639
Like literally, he.

721
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.360
Doesn't believe what he says. I don't think he.

722
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.199
I think it's just like candas he says whatever he

723
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.199
wants to say, is it clicks? And then this ruck

724
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.719
well true? Okay, that mean, well, let me say that

725
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:27.320
may be a modern day shot job.

726
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:28.719
That may be true.

727
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.239
So at what point that if what you're saying is true, Royce,

728
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.239
at what point, as you've discussed with me before, do

729
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.239
we start holding these people accountable for for for not

730
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.840
self censoring or self moderating Thatselve.

731
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.960
So that's where we get into the nitty gritty, because

732
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.400
I suggest that Congress is the one that needs to

733
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.000
start regulating content, and people can say, well, do you

734
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.800
really want to put all that power in.

735
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:53.559
The hands of Congress?

736
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.760
And I say, well, the people can't regulate them sell

737
00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:00.000
and the platforms aren't doing it. So it's our leaders

738
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.960
and they're failing us. But I want to I want

739
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.280
to kind of pitot to answer answer Ronald's que established

740
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.960
from three times and I never voted for Trump. They

741
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.519
can answered the question. Most people in this country completely disenfranchised.

742
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.039
They feel like that they are born without any opportunity

743
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.199
to succeed. Okay, and despite the fact that Donald Trump

744
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:21.760
was born than a silver spoon in his mouth, he

745
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:27.800
always spoke to working class people. He always spoke unsiltered,

746
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.239
and he was ingrained our culture from the eighties forward.

747
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.760
I mean, he's his name is mentioned in Countless or Brattitude,

748
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:36.360
So he was ingrained in our culture, which means people

749
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.800
knew him. So when you put up anybody that looks

750
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.159
less than authentic against the guy like that, people will

751
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.960
vote for him because they see him from view he is,

752
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:47.760
even if they do not like him. He brings gen

753
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.079
and that's a hard field for people to swallow. No,

754
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.360
I mean, he knew his base, he knew his audience

755
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.559
for sure, and that's that's exactly what we're seeing with

756
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.960
people like Nick Fuentas. For example, going back to Nick,

757
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:04.760
he knows he knows how to target people's frustrations.

758
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.360
He is a desperate soul. Absolutely, he's playing the great sympathizer.

759
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.960
I can lead you to a better way, come on.

760
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.079
Board, and he can't because because he's a terd in

761
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.039
plain English, and I know that's not really eloquent way

762
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.679
of saying, but he's a turn And George, these people

763
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.440
around me are driving me a foot wall right just

764
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:25.760
by their presence, just by the presence between you and I.

765
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.440
They can you hear me? There's a driver. Are the

766
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.079
closing in on you? They're closing in on me? And

767
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:33.159
like I don't, I don't. I don't relate to the

768
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:37.239
humans generally, So there's a lot for me. He's a lot.

769
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:37.880
That's funny.

770
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.159
Yeah, But look, I think I think this is why

771
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.800
guys like you and I should keep talking, because like

772
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:48.719
I could sit here and answer Rob's question in a

773
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.559
way that maybe I hope will make more sense than

774
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.159
if it comes from a guy like you who voted

775
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:54.800
for you, because some people just and I'm not saying

776
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.480
dissing Ronald, you.

777
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.920
Are the person, but some people have that wall up.

778
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.719
And I understand that he wanted disruptor.

779
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.760
I've always wanted the selector's right, all these days Ralph

780
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:05.239
Nader running I was at MSG.

781
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:06.920
I've always wanted a disruptor.

782
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.199
Donalds had my vote at the top of the escalator

783
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.039
and he lost it to them.

784
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:13.480
We will, yeah, you know, and people do want to

785
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:19.039
shake things up, and I think the problem is is

786
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.480
we're never going to have an honest politician ever.

787
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.880
I hope that is not the case in the future,

788
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:26.400
but you.

789
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.280
Know, I got I got to think that people got

790
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.480
to understand you're being lied to every day. It doesn't

791
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.920
matter if it's a Democrat, doesn't matter, if it's Republican,

792
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.599
doesn't matter, if it's independent. Everybody's going to say what

793
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.039
they what you want to hear to get the votes.

794
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.400
Who they are is always revealed once they're in office, right,

795
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:47.760
I mean, how many of are elected uh elected officials?

796
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.159
For example, let's talk about Congress. They're actually doing what

797
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.039
you voted them in to do? Are they really representing it?

798
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.280
They're all listen and the talent show is Congress. Okay,

799
00:38:58.440 --> 00:38:59.920
you can look at the executive branch.

800
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.400
The consistent failure in our country is and will almost

801
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:06.440
be Congress. These are the guys that have been there

802
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.480
for ever. The Schumer, it's the Pelos Sees, the mcconnells.

803
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.639
So yes, I don't really buy into because with proper

804
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.760
chests and balances, then you wouldn't have to constantly, you know,

805
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.280
you would have to constantly point the finger at the AD.

806
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:24.159
With proper checks and balances, they'd be able to check

807
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.199
the ADMIN and then you wouldn't have to deal with

808
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.159
some of this nonsense. But what Trump is doing to

809
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.960
effective least moving so fast. He knows that they're not

810
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.360
pushing back, pushing back quick enough the system to do slow.

811
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:35.599
And he learned that from Ray Tong.

812
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:39.360
Okay, so what he's doing is putting pushing as much

813
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.519
in out there onto the system as possible and essentially

814
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:44.480
overloading it.

815
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:47.599
And that's what I don't even where we have with

816
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:51.679
the tarifstewards. You know, I don't know. I don't know

817
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.280
what's happening with that. Look I'm watching it.

818
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.159
Throwing the nut. I think he should run throw us.

819
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.400
I'm serious, me, what's like a leader? We we were,

820
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.599
we were a tariff nation at one point in our history.

821
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.519
But here here's here's my thing with tariffs. They're not

822
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.480
going away. Uh, the absurdity of how they're being used

823
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.320
as a weapon is the problem. So we're always going

824
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.119
to happen that we have to hand all that money back.

825
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:27.320
Well exactly that bankers up like it's Trump Casino. I'm asked, well, no, look,

826
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:33.000
let me just say this here, Americans, Jason, are we

827
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:37.840
tariffs are the way tariffs were were the way Trump

828
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.320
was Okay, this is how it was explained in the

829
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.400
beginning that Trump was supposed to use this right, it

830
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.159
was just supposed to be leverage, a way to renegotiate

831
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:47.360
and make things more even.

832
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.119
But he got away from that. He never stuck to

833
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.360
that plan, and now he's just using it as a

834
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:56.400
weapon to get other people to bend. But I mean,

835
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.920
it's proven that other countries are not necessarily going to

836
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:00.719
bend the need to Trump problems.

837
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:01.800
So are you surprised?

838
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.679
Are you surprised that instead of using it strategically, he's

839
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:05.559
using it like the form.

840
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:06.800
No, No, I'm not.

841
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.760
I'm not that surprised whatsoever. But what Trump is doing,

842
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.079
what he doesn't realize is like tariffs are a road

843
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:16.679
to isolationism. And you can't isolate America because the economy

844
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.400
is global, it's being global for many, many years. We

845
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.400
can't get away from this global economy.

846
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.239
We're too dependent that you can't manufacture your way out

847
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:26.320
of any no.

848
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.159
Exactly, I was. I was literally just going to say that.

849
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.599
We're too dependent on other nations for their expertise, for

850
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.320
the resources we don't all have. We don't have it

851
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:38.960
all in our own backyard. It's just not gonna happen.

852
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.400
We have to work with everybody, period. But again, the

853
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:42.199
problem China.

854
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:47.440
China takes all of our business, all of our manufacturing business, right,

855
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.159
And not only do they take that business, then they

856
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.719
turn around and they steal the insolestable property is from

857
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.039
the people that are doing business.

858
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:54.880
And then they greate us.

859
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.000
They do, they treat pans, and they overflood the marketplace.

860
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.920
So we're we have to figure out that dance.

861
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:02.360
You know.

862
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.840
I've had enough conversations now dealing with some people where

863
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:06.400
I used to think.

864
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.920
Oh, we're China, We've got to win the war.

865
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.039
And I've kind of been talked off that ledge by

866
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:14.000
having these types of conversations. I will admit that, and

867
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.440
I think that we just need some dance better with them.

868
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:18.800
But I think we need to be more aggressive.

869
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:23.800
Well, we can't, we can't, we can't ignore China's economic

870
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.079
prowess in the world whatsoever. But we also got to

871
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.599
realize that China is not Western culture. They don't see

872
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:30.559
it the way we do, you know. And and these

873
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.760
companies are like, well, we have patents on this, they

874
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.760
shouldn't be seeing We're going to sue them. Well, good luck.

875
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.280
China doesn't have to comply, you know. How are you

876
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.199
going to force another nation to comply? It's not gonna happen.

877
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.119
I was privy to this a long time ago because

878
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:44.559
I'm I'm in the events industry, right, so I literally

879
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.000
provide staging, lighting, sound, I do the whole concert thing.

880
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.880
I do corporate events, I do arena tours, And in

881
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:55.440
my particular industry, we're talking about lighting, and we'll talk

882
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.039
about brands like Martin Relationshape. If anyone who's listening knows

883
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.519
what I'm talking about, I love.

884
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:00.320
Yeah.

885
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.960
They've been battling this for years and where they'll come

886
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.960
up with a certain design, certain technology, and they have

887
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:10.880
these plants in China and then all of a sudden,

888
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.480
you see these clones, and we see other people using

889
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.360
these clones out there of these lightings. So they're trying

890
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.159
to meet what's called a tour writer for anyone who

891
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.400
doesn't know. It's basically an artist sends you a writer,

892
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.360
and a part of that's a tech writer. So what

893
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.559
will happen is to say, well, for an orders to perform,

894
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:26.760
I need this console brand, for example, which is like

895
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.320
a mixing board. All right, I need this type of

896
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.280
lighting in the grid because my guide designed the lighting

897
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.159
based on these fixtures. And so what happened is you

898
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.639
started seeing people buying these knockoffs and trying to push

899
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.440
them off as the actual brand to be going on

900
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:42.480
for many years, and then you go to use them

901
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.119
and the profiles don't match, like there's always something off.

902
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:49.519
So when this started happening, people like Shave and Martin

903
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.239
for example, are losing money. They're trying to push back

904
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:53.880
and the same thing happened. I mean, let's just talk

905
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:57.360
about cell phones with Apple, right, with any cell phone

906
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:02.239
that is Android based. And this has been going a

907
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.159
long time. I think it's just coming to light now

908
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.360
because of the tariff situation where people are paying more attention.

909
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.360
But this is something China's always done. This isn't new.

910
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.800
This is not new news.

911
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.559
For example, I think people just never really really really

912
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:16.719
realized it was happening.

913
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:20.199
No, I know.

914
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.360
I remember dealing with this with Hangle it Hangling lasers

915
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.760
and then dongles, and you could get the unofficial dongoles,

916
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.920
so you could start need like a certain license for

917
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:29.519
a laser.

918
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.280
And I was like, well, this is a safety.

919
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:35.639
Issue that now our market is being flooded with like

920
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.719
fake laser authentication and fake certification and all this. So

921
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.199
I remember that with abdongles, they're like the four hundred

922
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.000
dollars dondles be given cheaper. And now now you didn't

923
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.400
have official certification to use the laser, but you had

924
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.960
the Chinese certification, and a lot of people were trustling

925
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.320
off to that, which was a safety issue because somebody

926
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.159
in that crowd gets hit live with a laser, they'll

927
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:56.679
get blinded.

928
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.599
Right, Absolutely, you have to regulate that, absolutely.

929
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.199
But that's These are the real issues that nobody talked

930
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.039
about with no bog products, especially in the in this Mexic.

931
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:15.639
Well, the deal with that, you can't deal with it.

932
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:20.320
That's the reality. We can't police China and tell them

933
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.440
you can't produce this or produce that. The only way,

934
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.719
the only way we can regulate it is, let's say

935
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.320
in the United States person, when like when we were

936
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:33.159
talking about quality and safety, Uh, that has to be stopped.

937
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:35.760
When those goods are coming in, they have to be

938
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.719
I think what needs to happen is some of these

939
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.360
goods need to come in be inspected for safety and

940
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.280
verify that they're safe for operation before they're actually accepted

941
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.280
and then flooded into our market. But you can't also

942
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.039
stop the black market either, So can we get ahead

943
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:53.599
of it? I think we can do a lot if

944
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.480
we're actually taking those products. If there was another office

945
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.159
set up here to Q see these products that are

946
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.519
coming in, that part supposed to be requires that requires legislation,

947
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.719
and that requires to do their job. And I know

948
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.960
I'm a broken record with that.

949
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.119
No, you're not all starts there, man, I don't hear

950
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.840
you're You're not a broken record. All these ideas are fantastic,

951
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.920
but without effective leaders, did we don't get and now

952
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.000
we're just dying on the vine. But AI dying on

953
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:23.400
the viny odset moderation. We bypassed that neutrality. Yep, you know.

954
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.559
Well let's talk about Congress again. So Congress, if I

955
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:29.639
did a deep I forgot which episode I did so,

956
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.880
And if anyone hears me, I may be off on

957
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:33.719
some of my recall, to be quite honest, it's been

958
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:37.679
a while. But Congress, if you look at Congress historically,

959
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:41.440
it was supposed to be a service right sometime around

960
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:43.199
the and it was never supposed to be a long

961
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.599
term career whatsoever. So sometime around I think it was

962
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.840
a late sixties, early seventies, I believe I got I

963
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.280
gotta go back, But somewhere around that period is when

964
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.880
Congress actually voted to instill and up their salary. And

965
00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.840
I think at that point it was either bumped to

966
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.519
about sixty to seventy something thousand dollars a year or

967
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.480
something like that. Ever since then they have voted to

968
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.119
up their salary and their benefits. Right now we're at

969
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.119
what one hundred and seventy five or one hundred and

970
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.639
seventy some one thousand a year is a salary for Congress,

971
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.159
And it was never supposed to be a career. And

972
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:23.000
now we see these people serving long term. I mean

973
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.559
they get in in their thirties or forties and they

974
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.440
go until they either letra medically uncapable to serve or

975
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:35.360
basically they're on that course. So the way we fix

976
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.079
this is we got it. We got to really instilled

977
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.480
term limits regardless.

978
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.679
I think. But who's gonna lead that charge?

979
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.119
I mean, you're really gonna need you're really gonna lead

980
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.719
I hate to stay it. You're gonna need a tyrannical, yeah,

981
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:51.400
executive officer to come in and do that. And then

982
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:54.480
people we're gonna call him a dictator and all these things.

983
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.079
But it's gonna take a little tier and to reboot

984
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:57.519
the system.

985
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.800
So but but but here's the thing, though, do the

986
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:05.440
do the people not have a responsibility? Do we not

987
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.679
care enough to hold our government accountable? Because we really

988
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:08.280
don't do that.

989
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:10.639
We're two usually going on, but most of the countries

990
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:14.239
doesn't shelf them vote exactly. So if we really wanted

991
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.320
to use technology as a weapon, we can organize effectively,

992
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:19.880
and we can we can vote all of these guys out.

993
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:21.760
But the willpower has to be there.

994
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:23.480
And I think part of the problems, George is most

995
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.840
people are stuck trying to get by every day, week,

996
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:26.960
every damn day.

997
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:29.880
That's exactly to worry about these things. So they get

998
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:30.639
stuck in the system.

999
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.199
They get stuck in the nine to five job, the

1000
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.400
recursive loop, the medical system, trying to the kids of education,

1001
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.000
all of these things, and there's no time to worry

1002
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.960
about government. Well, if I get all, worrying about government

1003
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.239
could solve their problems. But when they see it's broken,

1004
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.079
they become disenfranchised and they just can very true.

1005
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:49.519
And I guess we could blame Henry Ford for the

1006
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.440
five day work week.

1007
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:55.159
But the thing is is what you're saying is exactly

1008
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.639
what I believe in what I say. You know, people

1009
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.159
are too busy to keep their heads down. It's not

1010
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.840
not necessary. Their fault. We've created this society to where

1011
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.440
we become overwhelmed and feel the pressure to be involved

1012
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:12.199
in all this crap that in the in the graands

1013
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.719
skim things means nothing. We're not we're not a paying

1014
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.679
we're not paying attention to our garment, we're not hold like,

1015
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:20.280
we're not holding them accountable whatsoever. If we did, there

1016
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.719
would be the change that you're talking about. Do we

1017
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.440
need a dictator to make that work?

1018
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.760
Yeah? I think be true too. That's hiring. That's hiate, okay, tyrant.

1019
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.159
The problem is all that is dictator. Oh okay, sorry

1020
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:38.079
I misheard you. So, but you know, more than one

1021
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.480
think could be true at the same time, right, Absolutely, Congress.

1022
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.880
Congress needs to be overhauled. I believe, I believe you're correct.

1023
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.320
Needs needs to be overhauled. We need term limits. You

1024
00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:50.760
shouldn't be able to serve. Tell you're eighty like, look

1025
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.599
sixty five, whatever the retirement age. I mean, I get

1026
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:58.079
them out. I think at some point you take away

1027
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:02.360
their pay checks if it's if it's evolved, absolutely, and

1028
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.360
that could be one way to put the squeeze on them. Right,

1029
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.360
if you're going to close down, you don't get paid.

1030
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:07.960
If you're not shown off to work, you don't get paid.

1031
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:10.679
I mean it's like us if you know, if we

1032
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:12.360
have a full time job, you have so much vacation,

1033
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:14.239
pay so much sick time, whatever the hell it is.

1034
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.480
You don't get to bleed the system dry and the

1035
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:22.559
taxpayers dry. But continuing to make your disorbitant salaries because

1036
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.039
on YouTube are not going to work.

1037
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.800
But that's the one percent. And you're only going to

1038
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:28.280
change by storming to the steel.

1039
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.239
And I know that's controversial, especially after you know what

1040
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.480
is going on in though it's few years, but.

1041
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.079
Absolutely it's the truth. Man.

1042
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:37.719
You got to be a disruptor. And look, I don't

1043
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.039
support this guy. You know that, But I understand the

1044
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.000
want of people. Do No, I I like it.

1045
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.320
It doesn't mean I like it, but I can as

1046
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.280
somebody that stands in the middle consistently, I can look

1047
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.039
at it and I can understand it, and I just

1048
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.920
wish that there were better options on the table because

1049
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:55.360
I think.

1050
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:57.320
I think if you.

1051
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.800
Go back to that first twenty sixteen election and you

1052
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:02.519
look at Basic and you look at Cruise, and you

1053
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:05.239
look at Ribio, and you realize the region Trump one

1054
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.079
is because none of those guys would check their ego

1055
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.599
and he won by a margin, a slim margin, you'd

1056
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:12.159
realize it.

1057
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.599
People did it the first Okay, they voted for the

1058
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:21.400
Shelby mm hmm. Good point. Good point. I'm gonna wrap

1059
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.000
this up though, if you don't mind it, and that's

1060
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.599
none of all. Good. Now, all agreed.

1061
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.119
The disruption is fine disruption, listen, that's the that's the

1062
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:33.920
nuance of all. Disruption is fine, not violence. Disruption. Yeah,

1063
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.480
we do have to shake stuff up, for sure. Well,

1064
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.400
I mean, yeah, if you want to wrap this up,

1065
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.639
I'm fine with that. I'm about yeah, I'm mostly through

1066
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:43.679
my cigar right now.

1067
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.239
It took the opportunity sit out side since we're doing

1068
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.400
audio only, so I didn't want to wake my wife

1069
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:49.079
up either side.

1070
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.400
I'm having a hard time focusing, to be honest with you.

1071
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:58.079
Ohies man, listen, you gotta do yeah, yah, yeah, no, dude,

1072
00:51:58.119 --> 00:51:59.800
you gotta do. I'd be happy to come back and

1073
00:51:59.880 --> 00:52:01.519
you other time. And at the same time, I'd love

1074
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:02.760
to have you back on my show too. I think

1075
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:04.679
there's a lot that we can catch up on discuss

1076
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:05.079
for sure.

1077
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:07.800
Solutely. Yeah.

1078
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.440
I know he just grasped the service to you. So George,

1079
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:12.400
thank you, and let's let's uh again.

1080
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:13.960
I don't know. I don't even think we have anybody

1081
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:14.360
on Sunday.

1082
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:15.440
So if you want to even if you want to

1083
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:16.519
do another one, or you want to wait a week

1084
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:17.599
until you let me not ask.

1085
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.360
Oh no, I'm gamed. Uh do me a favor.

1086
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.800
Just reach back out, have Keanu reach back out to me,

1087
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.960
and I'll see if I can make this happen.

1088
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.280
Thank you, sir, all right, Thank you, Roch appreciate it,

1089
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.800
Thank you everybody, Thank you for listening, and we'll see

1090
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.119
yes time. George fotis world ablate all right, buyer right now,

1091
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:36.320
SA
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