Aug. 15, 2025

Dan Burmawi - The Truth About Islam, Israel, and Palestine

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Dan Burmawi would say he is a Jordanian who successfully left Islam behind and that he tells the truth about Palestine. Besides being an accomplished author and Political Theologist, Dan Burmawi founded Project EX so he could warn the West about the true nature of Islam and it's very dangerous intentions. Dan and I have a very honest discussion about Islam, Israel, Palestine, and the Arab world. This conversation isn't the truth you want to hear, but the truth you need to hear.

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All right, and now we are kicking off, So I'm

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excited to have you here, Dan BERMOUI did I say

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that correctly?

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Yep?

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Okay, great. Came across a few of your posts on

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X is how I found out about you. Then I

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saw your videos, and then I saw that you had

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this Project Excess. Project ex It's an organization that you formed,

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and this is what I was really interested in. So

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I see what you had pinned on social media where

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you state I left two religions Islam and Palestine. I

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am a convert twice over and once from Islam to Christianity,

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once from Palestine to Truth. And then you go on

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to say a lot more you rejected Islam at eighteen

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and etc. So I want to know more about your

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experience with Islam, and also you know more about your organization,

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this Project X and what it is you actually do.

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And then I have other questions down the road as

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we dive into this deeper. But let's start with your experience.

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Is what led you to reject Islam? What about Islam?

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Did you find out or discover that it was not

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an actual religion but actually just more of a political

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movement or basically a way to gather people to gain

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control of the areas. What it really seems like it is.

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Well, thank you George for having me. I'm excited about this. Well, basically,

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I'm asked this question all the time about how I

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left Islam, why I left Islam, And I can give

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you one thousand different answers because it depends on how

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you approach the question. Do you want to approach it

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theologically talking about the relationship with God? What is salvation?

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How is how Islam doesn't offer any a spiritual transformation

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or relationship or reconciliation with God. Or we can do

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it from a social perspective. How Islam, I would say,

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create a slavery mentality. You're not a free Your relationship

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with God is based on fear, obedience for the sake

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of obedience, and how that and creating dictatorships. That's why

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in the Islamic world you cannot have secularism or free

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societies because the imagination of the people cannot comprehend free

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It's always about dictatorship, the authority. The concept of authority

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itself in Islam is dissorted. So my experience with Islam

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is really simple. When I was eighteen years old, I

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made the decision that I wanted to commit myself to

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serve allan serve Islam and defend the profhet Muhammad. After

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the Danish cartoonist controversy in two thousand and six, and

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I was moved or I was captured emotionally by what

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happened on the streets of the Arab woard as a

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response to the drawings of the profit of Islam. But

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after a year of practicing Islam with full devotion, I

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realized that I was hidden toward and did and drove.

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There was nothing that is Them could offer me spiritually

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at all. Then, of course I realized by reading the

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Islamic history that I was looking at a warlord and

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a theology of enslavement. It was an expansionist political ideology,

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that's it. And I converted to Christianity after reading the

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New Tastament. Had to leave my country because they couldn't

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practice my new faith in a country where ninety nine

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percent of the population are our followers of one religion,

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one sect of the religion actually, and in a culture

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that demands conformity. And that's it.

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What So let's let's uh, let's rewind a bit and

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and dive a little bit into what you said here.

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I want to understand. So what what about Islam is

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based on authoritarianism or in creating dictators? Where where is

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it that that is found in Islam itself?

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Listen, I'm working on my book. I'm going to talk

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about my book. But of course I was writing about Yeah.

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Today was writing about how the Catholic Church didn't need

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a sacred text in order to justify violence during the Inquisitions,

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It only needed a sacred institution. That sacred institution found

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a high demand for salvation. We human beings, We need

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to be saved, whether we are believers non believers. Suffering

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in this world urged us to find a way to

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get saved, whether temporal relief in this world or eternal relief.

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So what happened during that time that justified violence? Even

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though the biblical text doesn't justify violence at all. The

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Church as an authority attached salvation to defending God and

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justified violence to protect the Church. So even the Catholic

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Church without a text was able to do it. Imagine

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Islam with hundreds of texts in the sacred Quran and

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in the sacred Hadith. What Islam is capable of now.

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Many of the Islami topologists try to who argue that,

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you know, the interpretations are not true. We have different interpretations.

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They try to refer to mysticism or metaphorical language. I

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don't care about all of that at this point. It's

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really irrespective of what they think. The damage has already happened,

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and that damage, to explain it to our audience, is

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the fourteen centuries of vioumes using the Sacred Text and

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the role model of Muhammad that is irreversible. So you

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ask me what in Islam constitute this, I would say

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simply this. It's a combination of searching for salvation, the characters,

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the characteristics of God as a brutal dictator himself threatening

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you with hell fire, grave torture if you don't obey him,

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and framing non Muslims into enemies.

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Of Allah, and the role model of Muhammad leading or

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authorizing eighty six battles, ordering assassinations against the centers and.

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Poets who criticize him. Even for criticizing Muhammad, you get

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your head chopped off. And that's an history tale establishing

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the rule of Allah. So of course I can't go

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now and give you a lest two verses Sura nine,

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verse five, Sura nine, verse twenty eight nine, verse forty two.

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I can't give you like a list of Hadid sayings

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of Muhammad. Doesn't matter, it's not how it's like you

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you can Fredrick Knintzsche said that there is no meaning,

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it's only interpretation. And I can give you a verse,

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and that verse has its own horizon, and you also

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have your horizon. And there is a fusion of horizons

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when you read it. What is the horizon of the

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Islamic world? It is a horizon shaped by centuries of

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practical theology of conquest, subjugation of non Muslims. If human

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non Muslims as second class citizens, they don't have value.

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The value is determined by your religious affiligation and your obedience.

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It's not a universal value like we have in the

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Western civilization. So when you have a God like that,

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and that vision of God form your imagination, you end

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up manifesting that image into the world. You cannot function

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with a secular regime because you don't comprehend that kind

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of governance. You get a cognitive dostenance because you believe

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that authority is tyrannical. It's brutal, and then you end

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up with a system that has individual rights, has blind justice.

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It doesn't work like that. It's like there's discrimination all

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the way, everywhere in the character of God himself. I

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hope this explains to you why the argument, the whole

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argument is about you don't get this meaning, the interpretation.

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It doesn't matter, all of it. It doesn't reatly matter.

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We're talking about deeper truth here.

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Yeah, that's always the rebuttal. That's always you don't get

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the meaning because you're not reading it in the actual

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language or from the Arabic perspective. You're looking at it

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through a Western lens, so you don't understand, right, Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

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that's always the rebuttal. But you can see the repeated

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behavior throughout the centuries, over and over and over. And

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then there are those who say that even if you

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can read the language and you can interpret it from there.

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And that's the other thing I've noticed, and I don't

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know if I'm wrong on this, but it seems that

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with Islam there is no room for interpretation. It's a

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literal reading of what the word is, and that's what

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it's supposed to be. Is that correct assessment.

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I'll go beyond that. I will say this, there is

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no interpretation at all in Islam. There is only one

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interpretation superior to everything else, and that is Muhammad himself.

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It's like you can't have a thousand different books about

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interpretation of the Qur'an and the meanings and the events,

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and that it doesn't matter. It's like you have Muhammad

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as the ceiling. He's the ultimate authority on that sacred scripture.

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You want to understand God, look at Muhammad. He is

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the incarnation of God in the imagination of Muslims. Even

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though Islam claims not to be politicistic religion, but it

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is actually in practicality, and it's a practical side. It

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is a politicistic religion because Muhammad is almost equal to God.

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Without Muhammad, you cannot be saved. Without Muhammad, you don't

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have you are not accepted by Allah. So Muhammad is

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perceived by Muslims as central figure two, not only the

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tangible side of their religion, but the spiritual side. Even so,

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why I say that it doesn't matter what interpretation you

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look at, because at the end of the day, we

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have the story of Muhammad shaping what do you believe

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about God and about others. So he is the interpretation.

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Yeah, so they're they're literally within the scriptures putting Mohammad.

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It seems to be above God himself, is what it

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sounds like. And they don't really acknowledge Jesus or do they?

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Is there anything in there? Because the scripts of Islam

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did come after it wasn't before. You know, there's even

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evidence of mosques built on top of older temples that

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that way pre date Islam, absolutely pre date Islam. So

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I gotta ask you this though, because is there a

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different version? Okay? So Muslims correct me if I'm wrong.

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Are they not defined as people who practice Islam or

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worship the God according to the Qoran or basically Muhammad?

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Is that is that true? Is that? Is that the

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definition of what a Muslim is? Yeah?

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A Muslim who believes that Mohammed is the messenger of

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the creator of the universe.

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Okay, So with that being said, what's the difference between

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someone who practices Islam who's not supposed to deviate or

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have any interpretation, and that person who is considered an

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extreme Islamist? Is there a difference? Do people progress? Because

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we always hear stories how in some Middle Eastern countries

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or even cities whatever, that they're kind of getting away

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from Islam a bit or being a little more progressive

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in their views. So I don't know if this is

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true or not, but is there really a difference? Is

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there an extreme Islamist versus someone who practices Islam or

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is it all the same?

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No, there is no difference at all between Muslim and

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an Islamist. That is not a made up terms. The

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Muslim is a made up term. It was embraced by

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the Western government after nine to eleven in order to

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be able to contain or combat the Islamic terrorist groups

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without having to go against one point five billion Muslims.

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So they said, okay, we're going to differentiate between the

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so called radical groups and the rest of the Muslims.

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So then the average Muslim believes exactly what we hear

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about people who are considered extreme Islamist. Every everything that's

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not the East or or according to Muhamma's teaching, has

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to go, has to be converted or death to all infidels.

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That correct, every single Muslim in the world has to

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believe what eyes this beliefs in order to be a truthful,

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authentic Muslim.

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So then how is it that we can accept that

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any Muslim could be integrated into any culture.

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Then they have to get rid of Islam. They have

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to push is on to the back. And that's that's

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the problem, because the path of salvation in Islam is

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obedience to Allah. You have to adhere to all the

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commandments of Allah, or there is a very shortcut. You

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had martyrdom. You die in the path of Allah. So

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here's the thing. The majority, the extreme majority of Muslims,

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they don't practice through Islam because Islam is impractical, it's inconvenient.

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They cannot reconcile it with their reality, so they ignore it.

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They simply live as if it doesn't exist. But at

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the same time, they cannot condemn it because they know

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that this is the reali Islam. So they always justify

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it hamas you know, performing you had. They have to

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find a justification. Oh, it's resistance, Oh it's you know,

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they are oppressed Isis. They would be like Isis was

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created by the United States of America, by the Western imperialists.

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By the way, so anyway, it doesn't it doesn't matter.

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It's like they will find a way not to condemn it.

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Because they know they cannot condemn. If they condemn isis

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they condemned Muhammad. I challenge one point eight billion Muslims

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living in the world today to give me one single

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act that ISAs dead that Muhammad didn't one.

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So reality is not all Muslims are really true Muslims. Then,

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name for their religion. That's religion that has Unfortunately, even

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though we're saying they're not true Muslims, but their epistemological

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reality is Islamic. That what informs their knowledge of the

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word is Islamic, even though if they don't practice it.

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So that's another danger, dangerous thing, and that's what I'm

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trying to challenge. I'm trying to educate the West about Islam.

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But at the same time they want to challenge Muslims

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to rethink is that it sales. It's like, you can

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not really wait, wait until Islam takes over the word

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so that you can practice Islam because other other than that,

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there's no way to practice it. You will go to jail.

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So so anybody who is considered Muslim, because Muslim obviously

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always kind of like, at least in the West, we

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we use the word to refer to a people, correct,

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And so it seems like there's no way to separate

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those who are just not religious people, right, they're a

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bit more secular in their views, but they're still classified

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as a Muslim or someone who practices them. So it

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seems like there's no way for them to escape it

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is that? Is that a truth?

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That's that's true, But we need we need to be

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careful because not all Muslims who identify with Islam wake

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up in the morning plotting against the rest of the world.

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It doesn't work like that.

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I'm trying to make is how do we count for

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those individuals versus you know, the literal.

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Muslims which are who migrate to the West, they're coming

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for a better future, for better opportunities, for the freedom.

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But they would always align themselves with Islam whenever the

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opportunity allows. However, they don't. They're not a threat by themselves,

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except if they are radicalized or if they are pulled

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into more authentic radical version of Islam. Through different Islamic

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movements in the West. Now again you're asking me have

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very difficult questions. I don't know how to answer it

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because I don't want to. I want to be fair

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to the majority of Muslims out there. But at the

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same time, I can't really think of a way because

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the line between identifying with Islam and not practicing it

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and becoming a true Muslim is very thin. It's one

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prayer away, one epiphany away, one decision to be committed.

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So that's the danger. But I don't want to spread fear.

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I don't want people to start because this is this

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is wrong. I'm not saying be fearful of Muslims, all Muslims.

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That's not true. No, the majority of Muslims again, they

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are not practicing Islam, true Islam.

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But unfortunately I understand that that's not what my intention

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is either. I'm trying to understand because this is the

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way I look at it. It's like everybody says the

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Western world is Christian, but not everybody is religious or

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practice is Christianity. Everyone's a Catholic, but they only practice

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Catholicism on Sunday and the rest of the week. They

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are just a bunch of jerks. So that's what I'm

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trying to get at. Like I think, I think people

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throw a blanket over people that are considered Muslim. But

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in reality, in today's world, I mean, we hear the news,

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we hear the leaks that come out that not everybody

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who lives in those regions actually believes in that particular religion,

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but they have no way out. They're just they're stuck

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in the culture born.

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Yeah, it's different than being Christians or a Jew or anything.

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That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to Islam.

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Yeah, I'm not trying to understand what's going on here.

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Sure, I was.

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Watching the TV show and a Jewish person mitt his

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dad and he told them, Hey, dad, I became a

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Jewel for Christ. And his dad said like things like that.

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It's like he didn't care for that. He didn't kill him,

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he didn't. There was like a past a few seconds.

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That's it. Okay, you're jew for Christ. Who cares? You're

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converted to Christianity. It doesn't matter. Now if you're a

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Christian and you tell your parents I'm converting to Scientology,

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maybe they're gonna have a conversation. With you. I don't know,

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but they're not gonna threaten to kill you. In Islam,

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it's different. Identifying with Islam means that Allah is your god,

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Mohammed is your prophet, is your book. You see the

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word from an Islamic clans. But it's not necessary that

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you practice everything in Islam because you can't. Simply you

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can't practice it. There are too many elements in Islam

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that are dormant that you cannot practice anymore. Now, can

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you leave Islam and like, be fine, nobody's gonna touch you.

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It's unlikely because again, Islam doesn't give you that room.

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You are either in or out. If you're out, then

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you are the enemy of Allah. It's not an intellectual struggle.

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It's not a whistling with ideas. No, it's affiliation to

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the tribe, to the nation, to the Umba. So that's

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why as long as you are inside the borders of

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the Umba, the nation, that danger is real. You can't.

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The majority of Muslims go to most only on Friday,

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just like Christians go on Sunday, but the difference is Christianity.

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It gives you a framework to deal with the word.

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Islam doesn't give you only a framework. Islam interferes with

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every single detail, with every single detail. So that is

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the difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christianity is

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a private faith. It is something that informs how you

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see the Word, of course, but it's most about spirituality,

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about salvation, about metaphysical reality. However, Islam interject itself into

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every single detail of your life, and it comes attached

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with violence. Your identity itself is connected to Islam. If

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I ask you, George, what are you? You might say,

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I'm American, I'm a man, I'm a father, I'm a Christian. Right,

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It's like christian comes number four. But if you ask

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a Muslim what are you, I'm a Muslim, that's number one.

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That what defines your identity. So that's why being none

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proud practicing Muslim doesn't equate not a practicing Christian. It's

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it's not like that not a practicing Muslim is still

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a Muslim. So I hope that makes sense.

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No, I understand what you're saying, But it also leads

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leads to this, like, how are we not supposed to

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fear the conquest that is inherent in a practice of

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phil on that how are we not supposed to fear

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those because here's the deal. If you're if you're born

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into a culture to where you're encapsulated and captured and

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you have no way out, and when you want to

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get out, you're in fear of dying, right, And so

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even if you come to the West, people still will

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label you as a Muslim, so you still can't get out,

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it seems so.

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And the list it's easier. People in the West wants

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to leave us them, they leave, They take advantage of

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the freedom here. But unfortunately Muslims in the West, they

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become more radical, more devout to Islam because now they

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are living beyond the behind the enemy lines, the enemies

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of all law, of course, and obedience to Islam becomes allegiance.

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Right, right, But now we're talking about someone who takes

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it from the extreme view, right, try to live live.

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No, no, no, it's not extreme view. This is like

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the view of all.

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It's just there's no such thing as extreme.

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living in a non Islamic land, then you are living

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behind the enemy lines. Yes, it's like I can look

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into the eyes of every single Muslim in the world

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who confessed Islam as his religion, and tell him this,

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a non Islamic land is an enemy land. You cannot

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say otherwise because it's it's engraved in your in your imagination,

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in your understanding of the word, that there is an

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Islamic plan and non Islamic plan. That's it.

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I get it, I do understand that. But the question still,

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how are we supposed to be accepting of these people

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looking for a better life if in the end there

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they all want death to the West. Apparently they all

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want to change the West. They all want to They

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all want to live under the banner of whence or

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from from hence they came, right, They want to continue

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that lifestyle no matter where they go. So what's the

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point of migrating for a better life if you're just

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going to go backwards once you capture that land, you're

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just going to revert back from whence you came.

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Yeah, that's where law and order comes into a place.

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All people want to don't want to stop on the

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red light. They want to keep driving, but they stop

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because there are consequences. It doesn't matter if a group

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of people wants to take over the word, as long

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as they don't have the means to do it. You

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have people who are Nazis in America. You have people

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who are still dreaming of the Confederacy and slavery. So

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they're not able to do it. Why because their ideology

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has been exposed and they don't have the means to

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enforce them. The same thing should be done to Muslims.

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Muslims are not going anywhere. You cannot get rid of them.

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They are people, they have rights, They are free to

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worship whatever they want, to believe whatever they want. But

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you need to make sure that this ideology is not

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rebranded as peaceful ideology because you will let it slip

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through the cracks and reshape your society. You need to

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you need to diagnosis. You need to say, oh, hold

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on a second, this is a dangerous ideology. If you

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don't say that, you are risking the future of the

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worstern civilization because you want to be tolerant.

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Yeah, I know, I understand.

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You just say the truth. Islam is a political ideology

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that has a religious aspect to it, and Islam wants

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to take over the word. And Muslims, because they identify

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with Islam, they don't have a choice whether they go

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with this vision or they leave Islam. And it's not

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easy to leave your religion. So, my dear Muslims, since

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your religion wants to take over the world, we're going

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to make sure that it doesn't.

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Right. But so so let me say something here, and

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I am I am not against anything you're say about it.

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I'm just trying to understand because it's it seems like

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it's it gets very fuzzy when we're trying to define.

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You know, how do we respect the person who wants

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to not live under the rule of Islam, you know

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what I mean? And those that know that they can't

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because they're stuck in it. Now, what you said earlier was, well,

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yes there are people. They have a right to do

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whatever they want, worship, et cetera. But it's not true

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of a Nazi. Once we know someone's a Nazi, it's over.

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We don't allow them to practice it if we know

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that they've find rhymes are done so out come. We

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can't apply that same principle to the people who practice Islam.

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Why are we not allowed to Nazis?

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They believe in that ideology and they live among others,

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no understood, but they don't practice it. Of course they

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don't practice it. The same thing. What I'm saying is

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Muslims cannot practice Islam in the West. What I mean

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by that, the Islam that entails taking over the world,

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which they call political Islam in the West, which I

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call Islam, should be categorized or recognized as a political ambition,

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political ideology and banned. You cannot you cannot preach about

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it in mosques. You cannot use the religion freedom a

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second Amendment, sorry, the first Amendment, freedom of speech and

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freedom for religion to preach about Jihand it's like you

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need to really dig deeper. You cannot take Islam as

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a monolothic entity. It's a religion. It's not a religion.

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We can divide. The private faith aspect of Islam allowed

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in the West, but everything else should be and should

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be recognized as a political ideology that you can believe in.

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But it cannot practice. As simple as that. It also

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comes down to this. I know that people sometimes when

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I say this, they think, oh, Dan, THEU radical. It's

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not going to happen, my dear friends. There is no

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other way. Whether you strip the religious label from Islam

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or Islam is going to take over your civilization. Period.

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There's no other way. If a Muslim wants to practice

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a prayer, fasting all the rituals, that is a private

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and personal and spiritual fine, that's religion. But everything else,

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everything else, that's trying to convert people through deception. That

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is another political strategy in Islam. It's like why Muslims

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are allowed to have wooths everywhere and Western cities, but

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Christians get killed in is them countries for preaching gospel.

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Why so, like you need to address this because you

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just you just.

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So let me point this way. Let me go back

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to what I was trying to say. Okay, the world

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over can absolutely justify that Nazi bad, but they will

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not say Islam bad. I guess that's what I was saying.

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I'm going to simplify what I was saying, but that's

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what I was trying to say, was that everyone could

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recognize someone who's who considers themselves a Nazi as bad

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right away. We don't want that person. But when it

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comes to Islam, everyone's afraid to identify it for what

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it really is. And if we and you know this,

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you're gonna you know a lot more to me. But

464
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if you look at the history. I mean literally, Mohammad

465
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not too long after he started gaining control, he wanted

466
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to expand his empire. It had nothing to do with

467
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.440
with converting to a certain religion. He wanted to expand

468
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the empire, just like the Romans did, and he wanted

469
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.559
to do more. He wanted to he wanted to go out.

470
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:14.079
There was nine nine nine Muslim conquests, right, and then

471
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we can talk about the inquisitions and whatnot, but those

472
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.559
were in response to the Muslim conquests, absolutely worse.

473
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:25.800
An evidence, historical evidence. The Patriarch of Jerusalem sent the

474
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letter to the Patriarch of Antakia h during the cheet

475
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:36.639
of Jerusalem Muslims, where the Muslim troops were about to

476
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:41.519
enter Jerusalem, and that's where he said, the Arab gangs

477
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:47.239
are asking us to pay the jisia or they will

478
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:52.559
enter the city. The patriarch did not mention they are

479
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.159
asking us to convert to Islam. So this is an

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00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:02.119
evidence that it was a conquest of a political expansion.

481
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.039
It was, but of course it used religion in order

482
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to expand. But going back to your point, it's like, yes,

483
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.599
the Nazi is a bad it's a bad person. But

484
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.840
you cannot say all Muslims are bad. No, not all Nazis.

485
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:22.920
Nazis are bad because you're born. If you're born into

486
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:31.280
a Nazi family, it's not necessary that you believe or

487
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.559
you want to practice it. So we say Nazism is bad,

488
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.320
not the people, because we don't know. Every person has

489
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:45.199
their own virgin, their own journey, their own understanding. We

490
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.920
don't attack people, we attack the ideology itself. I don't

491
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.519
care because you can't. You could be a Muslim, but

492
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:59.079
your world of view is shaped by different circumstances, different

493
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You get the point.

494
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.559
It's like I cannot understand, but I can't.

495
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.639
I can't at all say that Muslims are bad or

496
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.039
Muslims wants to take over the world, or I never

497
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.519
I would say that. You would never hear me accuse

498
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:18.679
Muslims themselves. Just second place. I just said that the

499
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:24.639
ideology itself condition its followers to be afraid, to be

500
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:31.159
terrified of not obeying Allah if us two otherwise they

501
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:36.360
will be considered upper state. So the ideology is dangerous

502
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:41.480
and Muslims are the victims of this ideology. So I

503
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:45.760
would what do you want me to do? I can

504
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:51.800
vet immigrants, ideological vetting. I can do a lot of

505
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.840
things on the scirity level, but when it comes to

506
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.599
real life, we have two billions Muslims. I cannot say

507
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.239
that all of them are threats or because it's not practical,

508
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:10.800
I will I will be like, it's I don't know

509
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.760
what to say. You can't do that, it's just simply wrong.

510
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:20.559
But we can say Islam itself, the ideology is bad

511
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:27.400
and if we don't admit that, then we are risking

512
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:31.679
our future, the future of our children. And we cannot

513
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:38.039
let Muslims, by the way, enforce Islamophobia on the rest

514
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:44.719
of the world and protecting Islam from scrutiny. There's no

515
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:48.719
there's no such a thing as a xamophobia, some manufactured

516
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.880
term to protect the religion. Hatred toward a group of

517
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.599
people is different than criticizing their religion. You can criticize

518
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:03.719
the Christianity, Judaism. You can say whatever you want about

519
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:08.199
Moses or Jesus or the Pole or nobody's gonna kill you.

520
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:11.880
We want the same thing. We want to be able

521
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:16.960
and to be free to criticize Mohammad, to criticize the Quran,

522
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.400
to tell the truth, our truth. What do we see

523
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:27.960
to be truth about Islam. But Muslims as individuals, as people, absolutely,

524
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:35.159
any hatred toward them just for the sake of hatred

525
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.480
itself or in cycling of violence is wrong must be condemned,

526
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.360
and we must never tolerate that. My mother is a

527
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:49.760
still Muslim. But the ideology itself, there's you cannot protect

528
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.519
the ideology because you don't want to be to seem racist,

529
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:59.280
and Muslim Islam is not a race, so you cannot

530
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:05.719
really be RACI against Islam. Connecting Islam to race to

531
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:11.440
brown immigrants, suppressed group of people is a radical left

532
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:19.320
product that was designed to advance their ideology of the

533
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:27.000
oppressed oppressor, a view. So yeah, I think there is

534
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.280
a thin line between a Muslim and Islam, but we

535
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.599
should not cross that line. However, we shouldn't let Muslims

536
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:41.880
prevent us from criticizing Islam. That fusion of Islam and

537
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:49.159
Muslims must be oblerated. We cannot tolerat it. Otherwise Islam

538
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:55.519
well infiltrate through Muslims without you realizing it. You need

539
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.519
to separate the ideology from the people and protect yourself

540
00:40:59.559 --> 00:40:59.920
from it.

541
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:04.480
Yeah, So that's that's basically what I'm trying to get

542
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.760
at and I'm trying to ask. It's like, I don't

543
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.559
think anybody agree. Anybody's going to agree with attacking a

544
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.239
person just for existing, Okay. But on the other hand,

545
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.920
many people are defined by what they identify with or practice,

546
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.280
like a job. The problem with Islam is you can't

547
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.119
leave Islam like you leave a job. You don't punch

548
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.199
in eight to five or nine to five and then

549
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.280
go home and all of a sudden you're a different person. No,

550
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.760
You're defined as that person twenty four to seven. That's

551
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:40.280
the problem. So how do we separate a bad ideology

552
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.840
from a person who's just trying to live again?

553
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.239
You just have laws in the land to protect you

554
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.679
from whatever that ideology and things.

555
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.679
Similar what's going on in Italy and whatnot these other

556
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.679
European nations lately, where there's like, okay, now you can't

557
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.000
wear the headdress, you can you can't do certain things

558
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.320
anymore that are part of your religion. I mean, is

559
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.719
that is that a way forward and suppressing some of that.

560
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.960
I wouldn't prioritize the job or the nepob or the

561
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.199
hallal food. I don't care about that.

562
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.119
No, No, I was just using example, I will.

563
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.480
I will tell you what I care about. What I

564
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:26.480
care about is after realizing that Islam is a political ideology,

565
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:34.920
then I should see all the Islamic entities as a

566
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:41.039
potential threat. So I have to monitor fundings to all

567
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:48.719
Islamic charities, all Isamic profits. I have to assume that

568
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:56.039
true Islam, which entails the political ideology, is being preached

569
00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:00.960
at mosques at schools. So the government, in order to

570
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.159
act within the framework of the law, needs to first

571
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.559
find a way to do this. It's like, it's like,

572
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:16.719
because of the freedom religion, you cannot control the speech

573
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:24.400
at mosques. Right, you cannot monitor all fundings to nonprofits.

574
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:26.960
Is not nonprofits because you will be accused of a

575
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:32.599
zomophobia and hatred and bigotry. But the law must be enforced, right,

576
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:38.559
there must be a way to give the government the

577
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:44.039
power to do that. Just imagine, for the sake of

578
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:53.440
the argument, that Pablois turned his cake empire into a religion.

579
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:59.199
I wrote about this one. And according to the United

580
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:04.000
States laws, they are free to worship the God of powder,

581
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:12.199
and they are able to recruit believers and to practice

582
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:17.840
the religion of using the drug is the United States

583
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:24.199
government going to let that happen. No, because even if

584
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:32.519
Pabloskobar ended up with recognized religion, they will tell him, listen,

585
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.880
you can't worship the god of powder, but that powder

586
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.519
is illegal. So we are not going to let it.

587
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.760
We're not going to confuse it with the religious part

588
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.800
of your movement. We're going to seize it. We're going

589
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:58.960
to punish people for using it or trading so the

590
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.880
same things. I'm sorry, I'm using radical examples, but that's

591
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.639
that reality we're dealing with jihad is.

592
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.679
But I don't think these are radical examples because then

593
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.440
you keep bringing up, you know, freedom of religion, freedom

594
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:14.880
of speech. But even within that framework, there is a

595
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:18.800
way to suppress the spread of hate speech, right, and

596
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.000
we can consider most of what is being practiced in

597
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.519
the Quran as hate speech because anybody who is not

598
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:29.679
considered a Muslim is considered what are they called an infidel?

599
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.039
Is that correct or what? And they must what convert

600
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:38.119
or die? That's that's the message. So then what then

601
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.480
is that not a way forward in doing so? So

602
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.199
what I'm seeing is the way the way it is

603
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.079
being spread into the West is because exactly like you're

604
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:49.840
like you said, nobody wants to be called a racist

605
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.599
and islamophobe. We all want to be accepting. But in

606
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:57.639
my opinion, look, if cultures don't mix, that's just what

607
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:02.840
it is. There's we don't all always have to meld together.

608
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:05.880
We don't. I mean, how many Westerners are moving to

609
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.599
the Middle East to set up shop and start a

610
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:09.199
new life.

611
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.039
Many are moving, many are moving to Dubai, right, exactly.

612
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:19.960
Right, But it's not it's not the same. It's not

613
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.920
the same as what we're seeing on the other side

614
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.119
of it.

615
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.719
Absolutely, But I have to say this the United it

616
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.280
is being used by all Muslims around the world to

617
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.800
argue that you see Islam as capable of building a civilization.

618
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.000
But that's not true because all everything Dubai you present

619
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:49.559
as important, the laws, the values, economy.

620
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.719
Everything, everything about Dubai is all about money. Everything that

621
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:53.599
is important.

622
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.679
That's the most important thing. That's all it is, system everything,

623
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.239
So you cannot claim it is as make anyway.

624
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:06.840
It's It's the same reason China turned to capitalism. Yeah,

625
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:10.039
you know, cour system was failing. That's exactly what Dubai

626
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:11.840
is all it all it is, that's that whole thing

627
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:13.079
was just an economic movement.

628
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:19.599
So again, as the point clear, you need to differentiate

629
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:28.280
between a private faith that doesn't have a social catastrophic

630
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:33.239
consequences and hate speech or not only hit speech, but

631
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:40.000
a political strategy, war strategy that targeting the West. You

632
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.760
cannot consider it to be part of that private faith.

633
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.679
You need to differentiate between the two. That's but the

634
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.440
problem is when they tried to differentiate, they ended up

635
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.400
with Islamism and Islam. They said, Islamism doesn't is not

636
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.360
connected to the sacred text of Islam. It's a political

637
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:01.400
movement emerged in the mid twentieth century in the Middle East. Ah,

638
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:08.760
that is disasters. Because no, we need to differentiate between

639
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.960
two outcomes of the same text, a political outcome of

640
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:20.599
the same exact text of Islam and a spiritual ritual

641
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:27.400
practices also the outcome of the same text. The political

642
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:33.039
side is not separate. It is not It was not

643
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:41.199
the result of Western imperialism. It was not the product

644
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:48.719
of political movement that hijack the label Muslim or Islam. No,

645
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:53.840
not true. It is the product of Islam itself, its

646
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.559
sacred text, the life and actions and sayings of Muhammad,

647
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:02.239
and the historical the reality of Islam.

648
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:05.639
Well, everything you're saying is a lot that I have

649
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:09.760
been saying what you just said. By the way, I

650
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.199
get criticized, But the reality is I did a dive

651
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.480
into the history, like where where does this extreme terrorism

652
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.880
come from? Everybody always blames the US for it, and

653
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.960
it predates It goes all the way back to the

654
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.760
mid to late sixteen hundred CE. I don't even know

655
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.280
if pronounce this right, the Hotajiats, right or the hotiji

656
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.719
and they were the people that were known to practice

657
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.880
its extreme terrorism against their own people, other Muslims. They

658
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:36.840
didn't care about the West back then, and they did

659
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.239
this all the way through about I think we're Yeah, well,

660
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:42.000
like I said, I can't pronounce it.

661
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:50.360
No is used by Muslims to exonerate Islam. They say,

662
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:55.239
right invented Muhammad invented understood.

663
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.440
But what I was, what I was researching, was that

664
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:02.280
the first acknowledgement of terrorism on record in history.

665
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.519
War They see them as a very and I don't

666
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:05.719
know it.

667
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.480
Goes before that. But you know, it's it's crazy that

668
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.000
to think that everybody, everybody believes America created, it created

669
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.480
this terrorist like mind, it goes, it goes back over,

670
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.840
like you said, almost fourteen hundred years in.

671
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:27.440
The sixties that left the radical left. They wanted to

672
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:33.440
blame America for everything, especially with the war in Vietnam

673
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:42.960
and the emergence of new ideological or a new a

674
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:49.840
new school thought that is connected to postmodernism, relativism, and

675
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:55.639
post colonialism. It's like America is an imperialist power system.

676
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.559
America got here to this greatness as a result of

677
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:09.079
colonialism and imperialism and uh abuse of power. And when

678
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:13.119
the when Communism died by the fall of the Wall

679
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:19.480
of Berlin, they needed something else, a structure to lean

680
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:25.119
against with their ideology. So they found Islam. So Islam

681
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:35.440
actually is the alternative that the communist Lenianist found in

682
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.639
order not to give up their ideology. It's as simple

683
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:42.599
as that, because Islam has the same characteristics of some

684
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:47.960
of the character characteristics of communism. So they found an alternative,

685
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:52.360
if alternative, and through Islam, they can't keep attacking the West.

686
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.719
They can't keep attacking America capitalism. So they had to

687
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say in order to justify why zame terrorism or exeneratism

688
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:09.840
from terrorism, to say it is a Western invention. It's

689
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:15.519
America is responsible for creating America is responsible for ISAAS

690
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:22.719
and this is UH a two folded win if I'm

691
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:28.360
saying it correctly. They they get to blame the West,

692
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.960
which serves their agenda, and at the same time it

693
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:41.559
UH empowered their alliance, alliance with Islam. So yeah, it

694
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:48.119
goes You can read that. There's a book by David Howartz,

695
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.599
the founder of Howard's Freedom Center. It's called The Anholy Alliance.

696
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.039
You can read about all of this in that book.

697
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.360
Yeah, I've heard about that book. I haven't read it,

698
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.199
but I've heard it about it. And a lot of

699
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.800
people don't realize that even Afghanistan at one point was

700
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.880
a communist nation. They were Iran was on Yeah, in

701
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.920
Iran too at a time was communists were going down

702
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.480
that road. So I guess a lot of people attribute

703
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.280
rorism to the US because of our involvement, but we're

704
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.079
the intent was to stop the spread of communism, not

705
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:26.360
create terrorist organizations, so which is what we did not do.

706
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.320
I mean, terrorist organizations were already there. They just got

707
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.079
the backing and funding to expand and continue what they

708
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.239
wanted to do on a much larger scale. And as

709
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.400
you said, the West then became an enemy. It was

710
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.440
now the focus. It gave them a mission, right, a focus.

711
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.400
So and I have a lot of message to the

712
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:49.119
isolationist who wants to America not to interfere anything.

713
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.559
What's your thoughts on that? I was wondering how you

714
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.480
fel you came about that.

715
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.480
You can be You can't. You can't claim the word

716
00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:01.199
leadership and isolate yourself. It's ridiculous. If you want to yourself,

717
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:05.199
just give up leadership. But with that, with with that,

718
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.320
give up prosperity and the best economy in the world.

719
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:14.800
And it'sous. It's like you cannot reap the benefits of

720
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.840
being the most powerful nation in the history of humanity,

721
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.360
and at the same time you want to isolate yourself.

722
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.840
You know, we need to focus on America, that a council,

723
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:28.400
You need to focus on our streets are smell like pest.

724
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.760
It doesn't matter. It's like you have to look at

725
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:37.639
both internally and externally because you're the world leader.

726
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.199
Right, the US is still seen as a leader. But

727
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.840
you know then you have other leaders that don't want

728
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:45.440
the US to be the leader. They don't want them

729
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.280
to be in the leader or intervene. So it's like

730
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:51.320
there's a price for not being a leader.

731
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.159
Right. But but what you're saying.

732
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:56.800
On one side, I agree with what you're saying. I

733
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:58.840
understand what you're saying. But on the end of the

734
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.880
world is trying to get away from the US being

735
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.360
the major power in the world right now, or at

736
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.599
least the lead as far as the paradynamic is concerned.

737
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.199
Which so I don't I don't believe the US should

738
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:12.519
stop it.

739
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.400
I don't think I don't think it's gonna happen. I

740
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.800
don't think that at least at least not in the

741
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:24.199
next century. I'll tell you why being the world leader.

742
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:30.519
It is not about economy. It's not about China and

743
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:37.719
its factories and uh, the labor numbers. It's about the

744
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:43.599
architecture of your morality. It's about your values. It's about freedom.

745
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:49.280
America is great because it has these values at the

746
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:55.800
root of its identity. America became rich because it has

747
00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:01.639
these values. America became rich because it's great. It doesn't

748
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:06.280
become great because it's rich. So people get it backward.

749
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:09.800
It's like, you know, we are red, so we are

750
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:14.119
leading the word. No, you're you're leading the word because

751
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:18.400
they're great. You became rich out of that greatness. Are

752
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:24.360
these values at risk? Yes? Are they abolished? No, we

753
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:28.599
are still enjoying the freedom that no other nation on

754
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:34.519
earth has. Just look at the UK, for example. It's

755
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:39.119
a dictatorship. It's like if you tweet, if you post

756
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:43.440
something on Facebook, you go to jail in China. Oh

757
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.960
my goodness, you cannot even compare that. It's like, listen,

758
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:54.360
there are elements for greatness in China, it doesn't have

759
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:59.639
any of these elements. Freedom is at the center of

760
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.079
being a great leader, and America is still the land

761
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:10.320
of the free. So my message to the isolation is like,

762
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.559
can don't even think about it. The moment you think

763
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:22.440
you can isolate yourself, you are giving up your morality

764
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.400
or moral responsibility. And if you give up your moral responsibility,

765
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.360
you're giving up your values which made you great.

766
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:39.239
Right, everything you said is true. Right, I agree with

767
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.159
everything you said. But the sentiment of isolationism by some people,

768
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:45.960
if you're talking about people in the United States, by

769
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:50.880
the way, is not so much not wanting to be

770
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.440
a free world or even offer freedom to people. The

771
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.480
sentiment comes from those here that don't want to keep

772
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.320
spending our tax dollars funding wars, and that's what people

773
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.079
are concerned with. A lot of people are wondering, like,

774
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.400
why do we always have to get involved? Why can't

775
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:11.559
you handle your own bullshit? Basically, why can't you handle

776
00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:14.079
your own fight that? And I'm not saying I agree

777
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.000
with that, I'm just I've just explained.

778
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:17.480
To you what you're the big brother.

779
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:18.800
Yeah, where that's coming from.

780
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.519
Yeah, but you're as the big brother, you have to

781
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:29.400
be there, present, ready to be responsible, to lead, to

782
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:34.360
provide wisdom and guidance and sometimes through strength. I will

783
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.400
give you an example, the catastrophe that we're witnessing today

784
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:45.559
in Syria. I believe it is that natural outcome of

785
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:54.599
that American Americans desire two indoors. Look what we have

786
00:58:54.800 --> 00:59:00.440
to do America. So it's okay if we takes down

787
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:06.440
and this way we weaken Iran and we get trade

788
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:12.280
of fast of all law supply line, and at the

789
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.760
same time we deliver Syria to this Jedic group. We

790
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:20.000
can contain it. We can control it. This way, we

791
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:25.960
don't have to, you know, prolong the war and we will,

792
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:29.280
we will, we will contain it. It's manageable. So this

793
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:32.360
way we are not spending money in the Middle East. Now,

794
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:37.000
look what's happening. There is no such thing as shortcut

795
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:43.360
to peace. That you had this regime in Syria, even

796
00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:50.920
as they are trying to gain international recognition, they couldn't

797
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:55.880
behave themselves. It's like they couldn't for a few months

798
00:59:56.199 --> 01:00:00.880
until the word accept them. They massacred all whites and

799
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:07.159
there today they're backing the Jews. Now, if America didn't

800
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.679
make decisions, decision and they kept an asset, because there's

801
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.119
no other way to rule Muslims, unfortunately in the Islamic word,

802
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:21.119
except through the religious government or the dictatorship, there's no

803
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.960
other way. If you kept that assid you had to

804
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:28.519
fight Iran. Well, maybe you had, you will have a

805
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:31.760
longer war, but you will make sure that you had

806
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:37.039
this are not ruling one of the most strategic important

807
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:41.880
nations in the Middle East. So there's a price for

808
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:43.559
trying to end the wars.

809
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:46.679
Yeah, but.

810
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:49.320
By okay.

811
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.719
So the argument is we need perpetual war to keep

812
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:56.119
it from getting out of hand like before, to keep

813
01:00:56.199 --> 01:00:58.920
from becoming a bigger war. And at the same time,

814
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:02.800
it's as if it's being said that you know, we

815
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:05.719
can't afford for the for the for the US to

816
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:13.119
not exist and get involved in everybody's everybody's America.

817
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.360
If the United States is going to keep doing that

818
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:20.559
the same thing over and or over again, that is stupidity.

819
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:27.719
They cannot expect different results, right, So what what is

820
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:28.199
the solution?

821
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:28.519
Then?

822
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:33.320
Look at what happened in Afghanistan. America spent two point

823
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:38.760
two point four trillion dollars, lost thousands of soldiers, and

824
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:45.039
with the exit, the shameful exit that it's like the

825
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:48.880
historical shameful exit of the of the United States from Afghanistan.

826
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.559
No one is going to forget that. Ever, So what happened?

827
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.400
What went wrong there? I'll tell you what went wrong.

828
01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:03.960
America went to Afghanistan thinking of the same scenario of Japan, Germany,

829
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:09.320
South Korea. You know, nations want to be built, nations

830
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.239
seek prosperity and freedom, and they will stretch their hand

831
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.920
to us and they will help let us help them rebuild.

832
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:23.800
That misconception, that assumption that every single body in the

833
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:28.800
world is similar and they think like us is disasters.

834
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:34.599
They did not understand that the ideology in Afghanistan and

835
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:39.320
the ideology in Iraq doesn't care for prosperity and rebuilding

836
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.920
in the future, it cares for something else, and that

837
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:52.960
is destruction, death, expansionism. So they completely ignored the ideological reality,

838
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:59.119
the theological reality of Afghanistan, and they ended up paying

839
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.519
two point fortrillion dollars, losing thousands of soldiers, and leaving

840
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:11.639
behind them a more destructed country, a more destroyed country

841
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:18.760
than the one they entered. So instead of American organizations

842
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:25.880
funded by the government going to Cabal University teaching about transsexualism,

843
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.760
they should have done something else. They should have tried

844
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:42.000
to dismantle the theological structure that shape the reality of

845
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.079
these people in order to focus on the future, not

846
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:51.679
on death and war and struggle. So if America wants

847
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.960
to keep doing what America is doing now, or what

848
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.199
has America been doing for the past twenty thirty years,

849
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:08.039
then yeah, I support that. Don't interfere position, why bother.

850
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.719
But America has to do it in a different way.

851
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:17.039
It's like, instead of replacing the Wilaya project in the

852
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:22.960
Middle East, the Wilaya is the Shia Iranian vision of governance,

853
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:29.559
instead of replacing it with that Sunny Caliphate, you keep

854
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:35.400
fighting the Sunny Caliphate and the shiaha and in both

855
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:41.639
of them, but keep alternating between both only gives you

856
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:46.599
a cease fire. That's it. You will keep ping ponging

857
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:51.000
between fighting the Shiah and then fighting the Sun every

858
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.199
twenty years you have you're sick and tired of the

859
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.719
Sun jihadism. Let's go to the Shiah Wilaya project. You're

860
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:03.079
set because them. It doesn't work that that way. You

861
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:11.719
have to to identify that roots of this conflict, why

862
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:17.639
this keep happening. You need to use your leverage, your

863
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:23.000
power and economy and the strength of your economy to

864
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:29.920
force Arab leaders and Islamic leaders to not to do

865
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:38.519
reformation in education on their own. You need experts to

866
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.320
reform that curriculums in the other world. You need to

867
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:47.360
overhaul the religious speech in the other board. You need

868
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:53.280
to weaken that ideologically grip of Islam in order to

869
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:59.639
achieve a long lasting piece. But jumping between she and

870
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:06.239
on the same terrorism, different things, different labels is going

871
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:10.480
to waste your resources and you will never be able

872
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:11.239
to achieve peace.

873
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.480
Okay, So there's there's a lot. There's a lot to

874
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.559
unpack on what you said. So let's let's just get

875
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.519
back to Afghanistan first time. Wherever there was why who

876
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:24.039
was our enemy in the beginning? Russia? Really communism. That

877
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.079
was the reason we even got involved. Now, there's a

878
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:29.760
lot of conspiracy theorists that always say, well, no, there's

879
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.800
other nefarious reasons America ever got involved in the milities.

880
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:37.360
It was to basically rob Steele and plunder all the resources.

881
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:39.000
A lot of people argue that side of it, but

882
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.559
really realistically, we were there because we were trying to

883
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:44.519
stop the spread of communism. Two thousand and one ish

884
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.800
we went back for what Okay, the war on terror?

885
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:50.840
Right now, we can argue whether or not nine to

886
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.199
eleven was a hoax and it was done by our

887
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.519
own government. A lot of people believe that. Let the

888
01:06:55.719 --> 01:07:00.559
let the conspiracy theorists chase that rap, but the reality

889
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.719
is the war on terror. Now what you're what you're

890
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:09.440
saying is hear me out. Now we as a nation,

891
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.760
let's say, the reason we were there was to abolish Cherism,

892
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.199
abolish Teleman, abolish al Kadom. Right, we want to get

893
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:20.719
rid of them. We wanted to, let's say, give freedom

894
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:23.559
to the people who, from our point of view, did

895
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.880
not want to live under the rule of terror. Okay,

896
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.679
So now now, now we now we achieved abolishing that

897
01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:32.679
for as long as it did anyway, right, it wasn't forever,

898
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:35.039
you know, it rose again. But let's just let's just

899
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:38.719
stay on on what I'm going to say here. Yeah, okay.

900
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:42.599
So now that that's gone and there's the opportunity for

901
01:07:42.679 --> 01:07:46.280
the people to finally step up and accept that they

902
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:49.239
may even have an opportunity of freedom, they chose not

903
01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:52.480
to or were they still afraid to do so because

904
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:55.000
they were still in fear of the remnants of what

905
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.480
might be left from these terrorist organizations. So what what

906
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:02.199
what the problem we're and everything you're saying in the

907
01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:05.840
solution that that that you're proposing. I understand what you're saying,

908
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:08.280
But it's almost like America has to go over there,

909
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:12.920
take all the land over rule it, eradicate their way

910
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.880
of thinking, and try to make them a different people.

911
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.359
That's not going to happen. And when we're talking about

912
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.760
colonizers earlier, when we're talking about colonizers earlier, the biggest

913
01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:24.960
colonizers were never the United States, it was the British.

914
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:27.560
They're the ones who went in and took over the

915
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.920
Middle East, yiares Ago and ran it. They ran out

916
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.600
of money and resources, and that is why the US

917
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:34.600
was asked to step in and help the British. But

918
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:37.560
that's what happened way back then. So what what is this?

919
01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:39.399
What is the solution? Afghanistan?

920
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:40.520
Was? Was?

921
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:43.880
It was a huge it was it was a big debacle. Right.

922
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:46.680
The way we pulled out was stupid. It never should

923
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.159
have happened that way ever, And I'm not disagreeing with you.

924
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:51.439
But what I'm hearing from you, and what I'm trying

925
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.079
to understand is how is it moral for us to

926
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:58.199
go and take over a people and try it to

927
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:00.199
convert them to become some with.

928
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:04.920
That soggesting that at all, I'm just saying viitualizing American

929
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:09.760
power in order to make a difference. For example, Egypt,

930
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:14.319
I believe their US eight is sure, if it's one

931
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:17.880
point seven billion or three billions something like that, I'm

932
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:21.479
not sure. Anyway we can find out if the United

933
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:26.359
States ask Egypt like, yeah, I want to give you

934
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.199
one point seven billion dollars or given them to you anyway,

935
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:34.439
but can we talk about your curriculums and schools, what

936
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:41.000
you're teaching your children. It's like it's a legitimate ask

937
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:47.520
because you want to protect your international interest in national security.

938
01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:50.680
So you need to make sure that even in the Wahity,

939
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:54.560
another iman in the Wahiti is not graduating from Egyptian schools.

940
01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:59.560
So does America do that? Absolutely enough. They don't care

941
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:08.560
about that at all. They only care about integrating diversity.

942
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:14.199
You're into the curriculums and talking about homosexuality and who

943
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:14.760
cares about that?

944
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.239
True? But those things did come later. So what about

945
01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.199
before all of that was was the movement? We were

946
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:21.960
still giving money an aid to many countries in the

947
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:25.000
Middle East, and I guess you know, based on what

948
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:27.760
you're saying, as we weren't holding these countries accountables, like sure,

949
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.640
you want the money, you need the funding, but we

950
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.960
don't believe in the way that you're running things. We don't.

951
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.479
We don't believe and in the basis of what your

952
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:39.800
culture is built on. That's I mean that that that

953
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.239
that is we're then on the danger of becoming an

954
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:46.439
authoritarian government trying to take over the world. It's like

955
01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:47.199
imposing a.

956
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:51.039
Lot of giving you money. Listen, I'm giving you money,

957
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:52.760
a lot of money. And by the way, it's not

958
01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:55.359
only the one point seven billion dollars that the Egyptian

959
01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:58.439
government gives. I can't. I don't have the number. Now

960
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:00.760
I'm going to research it them not here, but I

961
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:06.159
believe it's tens or hundreds of billions of dollars every

962
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:12.000
year that goes to Egypt and through the nonprofit organizations

963
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:16.319
from the American money from American organization. Now America can

964
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.359
use that for the good of the people. It's not

965
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.640
being tyrannical authoritarian. That's not true. I just want to

966
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.359
make sure. Listen, my friend, I want to help you,

967
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.920
but please let me just take a look what's going

968
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:38.720
on here. Okay, your second class, I'm sorry, you're the

969
01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:41.520
Book of Religion of the Yeah, the Book of Religion

970
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:47.000
in the second year at school is teaching that the

971
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:52.000
companion of Muhammed Abbaida beheaded his own father because he

972
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:56.479
was an infidel. Can we just remove that? For God's sake.

973
01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:59.600
You cannot keep this and keep getting one hundred billion

974
01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:05.920
dollar year from me. So I'm not throwing some imaginary,

975
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:12.319
imaginary impossible asks or requests. I'm not asking the United

976
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:15.479
States government to be a territorian or colonialist. I'm just

977
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:20.239
asking very simply, you need to recognize, Okay, the Islamic

978
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:26.359
countries and the Isamic governments. They have to appease the

979
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:34.560
fundamentals in their nations, and of course this is what happens.

980
01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.640
I'm not making this up. If you have a president

981
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.760
or a king in the other world. In order to

982
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:47.840
prevent them Muslims who are fundamentalists, who are very religious,

983
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:54.119
from interfering with politics, they give them authority over everything

984
01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:58.439
in the country except politics. So they ask them, don't

985
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.119
interfere with politics, but go and do whatever you want

986
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:05.359
with the education. They deliver the education department to them

987
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:10.399
and to their idelos. Now, can the United States of

988
01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:16.640
America do make a difference using its power, utilizing its resources. Absolutely.

989
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:21.600
The fact that US is not doing it is because

990
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:27.960
the US administration, one after the other, is surrounding themselves

991
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:35.079
with idiots, with eggheads in academia who don't understand Islam

992
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:41.640
at all, or who believe that Islam is the peaceful religion,

993
01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:46.760
but you know there are different interpretations, or leftists who

994
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:50.800
believe Islam is them tourism is the result of imperialism,

995
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:56.399
or Muslims who would never admit that Islam is a problem.

996
01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.760
So I wrote an article about this. They said, the

997
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.479
councilors of collapse. I called them the counselors of collapse.

998
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:09.359
They are the councilors who are not giving a true

999
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:18.319
council to the lawmaker, and the result is wasted resources,

1000
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:24.159
trillions and trillions of dollars American lives. And we are

1001
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:28.640
we haven't moved even a step. We're still at the

1002
01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:29.680
same square.

1003
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:33.720
So as far as as far as money goes, I

1004
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.760
don't know the exactly amount in Egypt either, but I've

1005
01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.520
done a lot of research on that in previous episodes.

1006
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.960
I can just tell you that if you combine territories

1007
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:44.319
and countries, we every year the US funds over two

1008
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:48.720
hundred and forty territories and countries combined period and the

1009
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:50.680
number I do know is, for example, like with Israel,

1010
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.199
three point two billion every year regardless. Now, the argument

1011
01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:55.800
has always been with some of these funds that a

1012
01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.920
lot of that's supposed to come back to purchase military

1013
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.560
aid or supply et cetera, maybe even food. But it's

1014
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.920
not just that minimum amount that we send every country.

1015
01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.600
There's always more to that. Like you said, so I

1016
01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:10.880
get what you're saying. It's like you want, you want

1017
01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:14.319
this support, but for US to support you traditional support

1018
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:16.960
this view. So you got to make an adjustment if

1019
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:18.439
you want to continue to get that money.

1020
01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:18.680
Right.

1021
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:22.159
So, so I understand it, and it's it's not it's

1022
01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:24.640
not a bad idea. I get your idea. But we're

1023
01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:27.359
also on the it's it could. It's a slippery slope

1024
01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:31.279
to where we can be on on a downward spiral

1025
01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:36.199
of becoming that nation of you know, beyond superpower. Literally

1026
01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:39.800
just always dangling the carrot over another country's head and saying,

1027
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:42.039
if you're not us, you have to do it. Help you.

1028
01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:44.600
Sometimes you have to do it. Sometimes you have to

1029
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:46.000
realize that.

1030
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:50.199
So should every country be like the United States? What

1031
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.880
do you mean in terms of how how the United

1032
01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:56.399
States lives? It's uh, well, not even that in terms

1033
01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.720
of their freedom or democracy, et cetera. Is that what

1034
01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:00.319
you believe?

1035
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:04.000
Okay, let me ask you this. Do you believe that

1036
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:06.760
freedom is making your life better?

1037
01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:10.119
Of course it is. I mean that's not even a question.

1038
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:14.920
The question is, okay, is it a universal need? I

1039
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:20.520
believe it is. Okay, So you are not imposing your

1040
01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:25.920
way on lot of life on others. You are delivering

1041
01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:33.840
a gift. It's more important than food. Freedom is as

1042
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:39.000
necessary as the air We breathe. So if the United

1043
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:46.680
States is fighting to make people live freely, it is

1044
01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:53.039
a moral obligation, as moral as helping people during a famine.

1045
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.000
So this is not in position of a life is time.

1046
01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:02.640
That is a lie and people who repeat such things

1047
01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:07.800
are liars. Do they want to enjoy the freedom that

1048
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:12.880
the US is offering them, the freedom which is the

1049
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:18.720
result of centuries of a struggle philosophical, ideological They enjoy it,

1050
01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:21.720
but of course they want to keep it to themselves.

1051
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:23.960
They don't want to give it to other people because

1052
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:28.880
it would be a position that is ridiculous. It's like,

1053
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:33.319
if you see evil, you change that evil. And there

1054
01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:38.000
is an universal definition of evil, and that is slavery

1055
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:41.159
of people. It's like when you when you're enslaved people,

1056
01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:44.479
that is evil. Everybody agrees to that. It's not a

1057
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.560
relative thing. People are not going to disagree on the

1058
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:57.199
definition of freedom. It's like, am I respecting your personal agency?

1059
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:00.239
Do you have the power to make your own own

1060
01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:07.119
decisions and determine your future? If you're not, If you

1061
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:12.399
are being imprisoned for saying your opinion, if you are

1062
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:17.720
oppressed for writing a book or changing your religion or

1063
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:25.199
having certain views, then you're not afree, and that for

1064
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:30.239
me is as bad as being starving to death. So

1065
01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:33.760
I completely disagree with this framing.

1066
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:41.279
You could disagree absolutely, but not with you. No, no, no, no. Look,

1067
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.680
this whole conversation is just turned into a very philosophical

1068
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.760
conversation in general. I mean we're not we're not coming

1069
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:49.960
up with defined solutions because we can't impose the solutions

1070
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:51.960
right now. I mean we want to, but we can't.

1071
01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:54.640
Freedom is a gift, agreed, But then it also goes

1072
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:57.199
back to the statement of how Muslims live in which

1073
01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.640
it's built on the foundation of a religion where freedom

1074
01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:03.000
is not inherently part of their culture. So if we

1075
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:06.239
want to be philosophical, sure, let's let's inject freedom into

1076
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:08.720
your culture, which means what abolishing your culture and way

1077
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.159
of life, you are no longer who you are. That's

1078
01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:15.359
what I'm getting at now. It doesn't mean it doesn't

1079
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:17.680
mean that I don't agree with you. Everybody should live free.

1080
01:19:18.039 --> 01:19:21.359
Everyone should live free, and everybody has a different culture,

1081
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:24.600
like we don't all see things and do things the

1082
01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:27.479
same way, because it all comes down to geography. What

1083
01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:30.359
you deal with defines who you are really what's around you.

1084
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:35.159
And I understand that. But when we're talking about example

1085
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:37.640
again going back to Islam, Islam, as as you had

1086
01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:40.720
stated and as it is written, it is not a

1087
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.840
basis of freedom. It's not built on freedom. It's based

1088
01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:49.000
on it's based on subjugation. It's based on control. And

1089
01:19:49.359 --> 01:19:53.000
if we wanted to change that, okay, And if you

1090
01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:57.760
have a culture, for example, that is defined by that

1091
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.920
religion and that is the basis for the culture itself,

1092
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:03.720
then you'd have to bolish the culture to move forward

1093
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:04.199
and be free.

1094
01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:07.960
Uh. Not the people.

1095
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:10.000
I'm saying that, I'm not saying about people.

1096
01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:15.800
Listen again to the moral obligation obligation thing. Somebody is

1097
01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:19.680
starving to death and you have the power to feed them,

1098
01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:23.680
then you don't care. You don't truly care about culture

1099
01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:28.279
and culture relativism. You don't care about If somebody is

1100
01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:30.920
trying to commit suicide, you jump and you help them.

1101
01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:31.560
I agree.

1102
01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:41.119
So when suicide and starvation to death becomes cultural difference,

1103
01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:48.119
that is dangerous. It's not a cultural difference. It if

1104
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:55.520
somebody is attributing their suicidal way of life to religion,

1105
01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:59.119
you don't let them do that. I can't imagine the

1106
01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:10.000
US government interfearing and forcing the Jamestown people and arresting

1107
01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:13.880
all of them before they killed themselves. It's like, it

1108
01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:18.399
wasn't that a religion, So as as America, I gonna say, oh,

1109
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:20.720
we're not going to force the real fly from them.

1110
01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:24.680
Right, Okay, I understand where you're trying to go with this,

1111
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:27.000
But the reality is it all leads back to what

1112
01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:28.920
we're trying to say earlier, what you were alluding to,

1113
01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:32.119
without putting too fine a point on it, for Muslims

1114
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:35.079
to move forward as a people is almost abolished.

1115
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:44.640
Unfortunately, that's the only way now abolished or recreated, recreated.

1116
01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:48.399
It's like you can create another version.

1117
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:54.000
You know, updated this with the modern world. Basically, it's

1118
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:55.279
like you, we can't do it.

1119
01:21:55.359 --> 01:22:00.720
I believe it's doable. What we need is UH enforcement

1120
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:10.119
and education system and a system that controlled the religious speech,

1121
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:15.960
and with that, with the globalization and social media today,

1122
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:22.199
I think this is what I call the mission of

1123
01:22:22.359 --> 01:22:29.479
Project X, my organization, desanctifying the sacred, that the religion

1124
01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:38.399
that keeps giving UH violence and hatred and aggression and slavery.

1125
01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:47.399
So what do I mean by desanctifying. Desanctifying is I'm

1126
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:53.279
not afraid anymore of this, of criticizing this, of not

1127
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:57.079
believing this. I can identify as a Muslim, but I

1128
01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.119
don't truly care for what Mohammad did or didn't to

1129
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.239
what he said, you know what I mean. It's like

1130
01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:07.800
I need the zem Court to achieve this intellectual or

1131
01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:13.199
mental state where I don't need to leave Islam in

1132
01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:18.039
order to embrace universal values. How do I do that?

1133
01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:22.560
These sanctify Islam in the mind of Muslims. I don't

1134
01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.640
want to do Islam. I don't want to abolish Islam completely,

1135
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:29.000
just de sanctify it. Okay, we already in the Quran

1136
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:34.439
Mohammad marriage is not in law. That's ridiculous. I'm not

1137
01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:38.199
gonna defend Mohammed, but you know I'm a Muslim. That's

1138
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:39.960
that's I want Muslims to reach this.

1139
01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:43.079
Uh, it's progressing as as a people, as a culture,

1140
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:43.720
really is what it is.

1141
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:48.039
How do you do that by ing the truth right Muslims,

1142
01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:51.560
not by protecting Islam and by saying Islam is the

1143
01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:55.079
religion of peace? Yeah, you don't do you don't You

1144
01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:58.319
don't help Muslims. You are keeping them locked in.

1145
01:23:59.079 --> 01:24:03.920
Yeah, I I everything you're saying, I understand, and look,

1146
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:06.680
this is a conversation I can aff for I think

1147
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.880
two thousand hours or more easily. Let's let's let's talk

1148
01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.520
about your Project ACT because I did want to get

1149
01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:15.399
to that you brought it up a little bit. Can

1150
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:18.680
you please explain what it's about and what you're doing

1151
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:22.760
to help educate people about Islam, because I know that

1152
01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:24.239
I was going through it like you do. You have

1153
01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:28.199
some videos, you you do a lot of articles and blogs,

1154
01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:30.840
you write books, and you have a new one that

1155
01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.520
you're written that's coming out or you're working on. So

1156
01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:36.000
can you please go go over Project acts a little

1157
01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:36.920
bit more for us?

1158
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:45.199
Project adds is the result of the response I witnessed

1159
01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:52.600
after October seven, the response in the West, the sympathizing

1160
01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:59.119
with the tourists and that tack that tax from the

1161
01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:03.920
one democratic state that is fighting a war on behalf

1162
01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:09.960
of the rest of the free world. The misunderstanding of

1163
01:25:10.119 --> 01:25:15.600
the nature of the conflict with Islam. It's a civilizational war.

1164
01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:22.319
It is not resistance, it is not social justice. So

1165
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:29.640
Project X is simply an attempt to educate the West

1166
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:33.119
about the nature of the threat Islam poses to the

1167
01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.560
future of the Wiston civilization and at the same time

1168
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:41.479
to challenge Muslims to desanctify the sacred history, sacred text.

1169
01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:51.479
We do that through producing knowledge, analysis, media production, and

1170
01:25:53.479 --> 01:26:00.159
our end goal is also to influence the lawmaker in

1171
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:08.119
order to protect the Western values, because if Islam is

1172
01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:14.760
given the power of legislation, you are jeopardizing the entire system.

1173
01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:20.720
It's going to collapse. So Project ACCESS still at the beginning.

1174
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:28.520
I have received support from friends who believe in what

1175
01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:33.840
Project X is doing. We have board members, we have

1176
01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:36.479
a five h one ceed three, but we are still

1177
01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.720
at the beginning. We're trying to raise funds so that

1178
01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:43.520
we can produce more content, do more advocacy and lobbying.

1179
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:47.119
And I believe this is going to be big because

1180
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:55.359
the way people are looking at this is shifting. For

1181
01:26:55.479 --> 01:26:58.640
a certain period of time they were like, oh, yeah,

1182
01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:01.840
it's somemophobia. You know, I don't want to get there.

1183
01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:06.720
But now people are coming to realize, no, this is

1184
01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.880
real threat, This is real thing. We need we need

1185
01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:14.600
to look. You need to stare in the eyes of

1186
01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:18.600
the threat and tackle it. You cannot just keep ignoring it.

1187
01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:24.399
So people can get to understand what I'm doing by

1188
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:34.159
reading my content on x Dan Burmoui and go to

1189
01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:38.439
the to the ob site project dash e x dot org.

1190
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:44.399
They can subscribe to support the work or they can

1191
01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:50.399
donate two project eggs and hopefully on October seven, my

1192
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:54.239
book is going to be released about Islam is real,

1193
01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.680
the conflict, the Western civilization, the future of the West,

1194
01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:00.680
reformation in Islam, What to do, what not to do?

1195
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:05.199
It will be like it will give people an idea

1196
01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:08.479
about what we're doing. But I think it's going to

1197
01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:11.920
be something big in the future because, as I said,

1198
01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:15.800
the threat is growing and people are waking up.

1199
01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:21.159
How is your organization right now given this, because you're

1200
01:28:21.319 --> 01:28:24.760
still in the building stages, right, How are you reaching

1201
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:27.119
people right now? How is your message getting to the

1202
01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:30.920
people at the moment? What avenues are you taking to

1203
01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:33.159
get in front of people? And are are you doing

1204
01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:35.439
speeches and speaking events? You know?

1205
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.479
Are you talking about yeah, yeah, some speeches, interviews, podcasts

1206
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:43.239
like this one. Mainly I write, I try to comment,

1207
01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:47.880
I provide. I provide commentary on a world event that's

1208
01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:51.399
connected to Islam to the West. I try to provide

1209
01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:57.720
commentary whenever there's something misunderstood or people don't connect the dots,

1210
01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:08.399
and there's reception was phenomenal. In almost six months, we

1211
01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:13.520
got more than seventy millions of views for our content

1212
01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:22.039
and sixty thousand followers on x alone, and people are

1213
01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:28.439
resonating with the content and with the fresh perspective and

1214
01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:33.279
the unique analysis that project that is providing.

1215
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:38.479
How many of those supporters do you think are people

1216
01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:40.920
who are labeled as Muslim themselves?

1217
01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:44.720
Supporter?

1218
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:49.279
Yeah, supporting what you're doing, because we spoke earlier, and

1219
01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:53.079
you know there's people that don't necessarily align with it,

1220
01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:55.119
but they're born into it, and you know they're just

1221
01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:57.479
stuck in that cycle. Do you think you're getting any

1222
01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:58.680
support from those type of thing?

1223
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:01.199
I believe I at support. I get a lot of

1224
01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:08.079
support from x Muslims or I get messages. I actually

1225
01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:12.279
have a lot of these private messages from Muslims who

1226
01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:17.079
still identify as Muslim, but they're not a Muslims. So

1227
01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:22.640
I wouldn't I doubt that I have support from Muslims

1228
01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:25.159
because as I say the Dame, there's.

1229
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.960
Yeah, I guess I meant extra people who were not

1230
01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:28.720
wanting to.

1231
01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:32.239
Be You can't you can't identify as a Muslim and

1232
01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.199
tunnel rate or entertain criticism.

1233
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:39.000
I understand, I understand you said that earlier. What I was,

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01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:41.399
what I was getting at, is a person who we

1235
01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:44.239
call a Muslim, right like I'm a Westerner, look at

1236
01:30:44.279 --> 01:30:45.239
you and I say you're a Muslim.

1237
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:48.840
It doesn't mean that persons, at least ten percent of

1238
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:55.520
my supporters, my followers are Muslims who will no more

1239
01:30:55.840 --> 01:31:01.760
cusa as their religion or what informs their word view.

1240
01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:07.520
I mean, that's that's that's good, honestly, for everything is

1241
01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:08.600
going to do to educate.

1242
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:12.600
Millions of Muslims are leaving Islam every year, trust me, millions.

1243
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:16.000
I'm not exaggerating. I have been involved.

1244
01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.359
I've heard that being said. I don't know the real numbers,

1245
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:23.920
but I mean that's that's hand. Yeah, that is that

1246
01:31:24.039 --> 01:31:27.920
a result of just people realizing that, you know, they're

1247
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.680
being stuck in the past and under an authoritarian way

1248
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:31.079
of life.

1249
01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:35.119
The Internet, the Internet has given them.

1250
01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:37.159
A chance to well right. It opened them up to

1251
01:31:37.399 --> 01:31:38.479
the modern worlds.

1252
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:44.880
To see different narratives. Evangelism, the church assumed a lot

1253
01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:48.479
of work and there's some word. I have been involved

1254
01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:52.800
in Christian ministry for fifteen years. I have seen thousands

1255
01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:59.520
and thousands leaving Islam. But the problem is for creation

1256
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.079
like birth rates.

1257
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:04.880
I literally just talked about that with my the guest

1258
01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:08.039
I just had literally yesterday. We just talked about this.

1259
01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:10.520
Why why don't you go ahead and elaborate on that.

1260
01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.680
In the West, when you plan to have a child,

1261
01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:26.600
you plan for their future. You calculate how much is

1262
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:30.479
it going to cost you and your partner, and you

1263
01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:35.119
end up with one or two, except if you're wealthy

1264
01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:39.840
or middle class American conservative who cares about big families.

1265
01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:44.279
But in general in Europe, in the West, we have

1266
01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:51.399
the numbers are crazy down. In order to sustain the numbers,

1267
01:32:53.319 --> 01:33:00.680
the rate of birth or the birth rate, and the

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01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:05.000
West should be two point eight. What we have to

1269
01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:09.720
do is two point one or two point two. The

1270
01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:15.439
Islamic country, it's different. Some Islamic countries are being affected

1271
01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:25.720
by again the globalizations life demands, but they don't think

1272
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:31.600
the same way the Westerners do. So they look at

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01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:34.800
it as a blessing from the Lord, of course, just

1274
01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.560
like today Christians look at it. But God is going

1275
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:43.600
to provide so and it's a commandment by from the

1276
01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:48.600
prophet Muhammad failed the earth because I want to boost

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01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:53.159
in you on the day of in the in the

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latter they but in Somalia the birth rate is six

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01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:04.760
point nine. In other zomic countries, I can I wrote

1280
01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:08.600
a piece about this, four point five, five point two,

1281
01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:12.520
crazy numbers. But what is scary is when you look

1282
01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:16.159
at the birth rate in Europe and you compare the

1283
01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:23.439
indigenous people and Muslim immigrants, you see the trend and

1284
01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:26.159
the pattern and what's going to happen in the next

1285
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:31.000
ten to twenty thirty years from now. It's very predictable,

1286
01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:35.119
very easy to predict, very clear. You don't really have

1287
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:41.720
to be smart to realize that Europe is lost beyond redemption,

1288
01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:45.920
there's no way to get your back. But there's still

1289
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:49.760
hope for then as States of America, and that's why

1290
01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:55.119
I'm genuinely concerned about the future of those civilization.

1291
01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:01.399
So yeah, it's a great replacement, just I mean just

1292
01:35:01.479 --> 01:35:06.880
through pro creation. Really, before we and I want to

1293
01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:08.279
talk a little bit more, but I want to get

1294
01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:15.720
your thoughts on Palestine, Israel and the history thereof a

1295
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:20.640
lot of people. A lot of people think that Palestine

1296
01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:24.000
was always a nation, and it was always a region

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01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:27.920
that referred to many different tribes and people within a

1298
01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:32.239
certain area. But there's a lot of revisionist history going

1299
01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:35.319
on and people cherry picking, you know, photos and articles

1300
01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:39.479
and throughout the timeline to try to justify what Palestine

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01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:43.199
really is now. October seventh even brought that up quite

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01:35:43.239 --> 01:35:45.840
a bit already multiple times. We didn't really get too

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01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:49.560
deep into it. So to me, it's important, and I

1304
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:51.760
talked to other people that are in the Intel community,

1305
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:54.840
so I get other information about what's going on and

1306
01:35:54.920 --> 01:35:58.159
how this is. You know, what's happening there. But the

1307
01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:01.840
reality is the war started with Hamas. It was a

1308
01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:05.119
terrorist organization that has control of a people. The problem

1309
01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:08.199
with the area of Gaza is everyone is captured. They

1310
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:12.000
really can't leave. So can you give a little more

1311
01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:15.479
insight from your perspective, someone who really has a lot

1312
01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:18.199
more knowledge of the region than I do, as to

1313
01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:20.479
what is really happening there and who is to blame

1314
01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:25.560
because everyone is anti Semitic, anti Israel right now, Israel

1315
01:36:25.640 --> 01:36:29.960
starving everybody, killing the children, bombing indiscriminately, and I just

1316
01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:31.520
want to get your point of view on the situation.

1317
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:40.840
As a Jordanian an Arab former Muslim, I can tell

1318
01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:48.159
you that Israel has been fighting a defensive war since

1319
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:54.439
the creation of the state of Israel. Palestine was manufactured

1320
01:36:56.640 --> 01:37:02.520
in order to serve the ambitions of Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood.

1321
01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:09.159
They wanted to combat the cultural impact of the British

1322
01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:12.840
and the French mandate in the region. They didn't like

1323
01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:18.520
the modernity that the British broke to the region, so

1324
01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:25.880
they had to come up with a cause to clock

1325
01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:35.840
their ambition without threatening the newly introduced nation state that

1326
01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:39.720
has already formed in the region. So they didn't want

1327
01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:43.600
to challenge the new states or to be seen as

1328
01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:47.079
a threat, but at the same time called for the

1329
01:37:47.359 --> 01:37:52.560
re establishment of that caliphate. To understand that Arab Israeli conflict,

1330
01:37:53.399 --> 01:37:56.960
you need to understand that in nineteen twenty four, for

1331
01:37:57.119 --> 01:38:03.039
the first time in Islamic history, found themselves without a caliphate,

1332
01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:07.920
without an Islamic Empire, and with the introduction of the

1333
01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:14.760
nation state concept to the region, the Islamic Empire was fragmented.

1334
01:38:15.880 --> 01:38:20.359
And this was a theological rupture. It was not only

1335
01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:30.079
a political project. It has consequences, and those consequences is

1336
01:38:31.399 --> 01:38:38.960
the erasure of the rule of Allah from earth. The

1337
01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:42.039
Islamic states represent the rule of full law and if

1338
01:38:42.079 --> 01:38:46.319
we don't have Islamic states, we don't have Allah, it's

1339
01:38:46.359 --> 01:38:51.319
not there. So what happens that by the end of

1340
01:38:51.479 --> 01:38:55.479
the nineteenth century, the Ottoman Empire, which is the Islamic Caliphate,

1341
01:38:55.760 --> 01:39:00.399
was weakened by Europe by different elements external and journal

1342
01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:07.239
and Arabs who also were persecuted by the Ottomans. They

1343
01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:13.439
were neglected so that the Ottomans were not representing the

1344
01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:17.960
true Caliphate, the true Islamic Caliphate. So Sharifa sen Benali

1345
01:39:18.279 --> 01:39:22.039
of Mecca, he is the descendant of Prophet Muhammad. He

1346
01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:28.840
conspired with other entities in order to relocate the Caliphate,

1347
01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:33.359
not to destroy the Calivate. They wanted to relocate it,

1348
01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:37.840
that's it. They wanted it to remain Islamic. Just changed

1349
01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:43.640
the center from Istanbul to Mecca. And based on that

1350
01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:47.920
they had the agreement with the British so that the

1351
01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:51.640
Arabs would fight alongside the British against the Ottomans, but

1352
01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:56.319
in return they would get their state, their caliphate. The

1353
01:39:56.439 --> 01:40:01.399
British betrayed the Arabs, they fragmented the calend fate, they

1354
01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:07.800
introduced the national state concept was that colonial conspiracy. No,

1355
01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:14.640
it was the natural trajectory of history, the word was

1356
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:18.760
moving forward from empires in.

1357
01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:21.159
Nations, spres and tribes to nations.

1358
01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:27.039
So the British were not plotting against Islam or against

1359
01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:31.800
the Arabs. They just realized that decentralization of authority and

1360
01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:34.720
power is the way to go forward. And that's what

1361
01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:39.760
happened in Europe after that Wastphilia Treaty and the creation

1362
01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:44.479
of the national states in Europe, every single empire was divided.

1363
01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:52.880
So from an Islamic perspective, that was not a progress.

1364
01:40:53.359 --> 01:41:02.960
That was a war against the faith, against religion. So instantly,

1365
01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:08.159
and the Zami movement formed that was called the Moslim

1366
01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:13.119
Brotherhood in nineteen twenty eight as a response to that

1367
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:21.960
and called to re establish the caliphate. Was everywhere Muslims

1368
01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:27.960
couldn't imagine their sales without caliphate. Now, the region that

1369
01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:32.319
where we have today Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, in Israel,

1370
01:41:34.439 --> 01:41:39.359
it was part of the Islamic Empire for thirteenth centuries.

1371
01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:45.119
Never ever, there was during the Islamic history a nation state.

1372
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.920
There was no nation of state. It was like all

1373
01:41:49.720 --> 01:41:54.000
just part of the Caliphate. There was never a state

1374
01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:58.680
called Palestine at all. There was never called a state

1375
01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:06.880
called Jordan. It just names for geographical spots. Syria, Lebanon.

1376
01:42:07.479 --> 01:42:11.119
It's the name of a geographical place. It doesn't represent

1377
01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:16.399
the state, a nation, ethnicity, nothing. What happened is when

1378
01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:21.079
the British introduced the nation state concept, Lebanon formed as

1379
01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:24.640
a nation state. Christians in Lebanon worked with the French

1380
01:42:24.840 --> 01:42:32.439
with General Guru and they had a state Syrian Syrians.

1381
01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:38.479
They the French wanted to divide Syria into five different states,

1382
01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:44.600
but the different Syrian movements they united and eventually we

1383
01:42:44.760 --> 01:42:49.840
ended up with one nation. It's called Syria. The Iraq

1384
01:42:51.319 --> 01:42:54.520
the Iraqi people did the same with the British. Jordan

1385
01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:58.279
it was giving to the son of Sefersen was betrayed

1386
01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:05.560
by the British and Jordan became a nation and Israel

1387
01:43:06.399 --> 01:43:09.239
where the Jews were living because the Jews in nineteen

1388
01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:12.399
or nine, forty years before the creation of the State

1389
01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:17.079
of Israel, they built Tel Aviv city, for example, they

1390
01:43:17.159 --> 01:43:22.479
had institutions, they built schools. They the lie that they

1391
01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:26.039
migrated to the land after the Holocaust or during the

1392
01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:27.760
Holocaust running away from persecution.

1393
01:43:28.399 --> 01:43:29.640
Yeah, they were always part of that area.

1394
01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:33.319
They were running away from Pope Ancient tribal people, but

1395
01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:36.920
that it doesn't mean anything, because at the end of

1396
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:40.800
the day, Christians in Lebanon ended up with the state.

1397
01:43:41.319 --> 01:43:44.159
The Jews in Israel ended up with the states, and

1398
01:43:44.279 --> 01:43:47.079
they vote for their independence against the British, the same

1399
01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:51.039
way that the Venice vote against the French. So every

1400
01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:54.880
other country was allowed to have a state except Israel,

1401
01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:59.840
except the Jewish people. Anyway, there was no Pedestina at all.

1402
01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:05.279
Palestine was the name of that geographical place, and everybody

1403
01:44:05.560 --> 01:44:12.159
inside that region was called Palestinian. The Jews were called Palestinian.

1404
01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:15.840
We have Palestinian posts. It became Jerusalem Post. Later the

1405
01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:22.840
Palestinian Airway, Yeah, the Palestinian Flight Company or something like that.

1406
01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:28.880
It's a Jewish it was founded by the Jews. Palestinian schools,

1407
01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:33.960
they were established by Jews. So when you read on

1408
01:44:34.119 --> 01:44:37.119
the coin the word Palestine and they use it and say,

1409
01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:41.800
you see Palestine was there. The British did that because

1410
01:44:41.880 --> 01:44:45.439
it's a it's a colonial name. It was used by

1411
01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:50.079
the Romans, or it was the Romans give it that name,

1412
01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:54.960
but the British just used that name. But it doesn't

1413
01:44:55.760 --> 01:45:00.119
it didn't mean anything. There was no Palestinian president. There

1414
01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:06.439
was no Palestinian. There, there was no nation state in

1415
01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:10.720
the regions. To claim that there was a state is ridiculous.

1416
01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:15.079
Why do people not want to accept this history because

1417
01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.560
I went down this rabbit hole and a lot of

1418
01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:20.119
everything you said, I I have researched and read myself

1419
01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:22.640
and somebody had to dig for Because again there's a

1420
01:45:22.680 --> 01:45:24.199
lot of revision's history out there right now.

1421
01:45:25.640 --> 01:45:28.840
And in the case of the Arabs also migrate to

1422
01:45:28.920 --> 01:45:32.920
the Jewish areas. Actually there are different reports. Actually there's

1423
01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:35.960
a chapter about this conflict in my book where I

1424
01:45:36.279 --> 01:45:39.479
explain all of this. Arabs migrate to the Jewish areas

1425
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:45.039
because of prosperity that they brought with them from Europe. Agriculture, development,

1426
01:45:46.039 --> 01:45:52.079
wages were higher in the Jewish areas. The whole Palestinian

1427
01:45:52.479 --> 01:46:01.119
identity was hijacked, manufactured and hijacked by Arabs because there

1428
01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:09.920
was no way to claim the land without having some

1429
01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:15.880
roots and the roots and actually there's a confusion. There

1430
01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:17.840
are confused at the times, like we are the Cannonites,

1431
01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:22.720
we are the Jews who lived here and converted to Uslam.

1432
01:46:23.720 --> 01:46:29.520
They keep trying to manufacture this identity. But anyway, I

1433
01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:36.039
want people to go look up the Arab Federation nineteen

1434
01:46:36.159 --> 01:46:40.399
fifty eight flag. In nineteen fifty eight, Jordan and Iraq

1435
01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:46.239
they joined together and a union, and they had a

1436
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:50.760
flag for that union. It is the Palaestinian flag. But

1437
01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:54.279
that union didn't last for except a few months, and

1438
01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:57.199
then it was dismantled, and the Palestinians picked up the

1439
01:46:57.279 --> 01:46:59.640
same flag and they use it and they say this

1440
01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:04.079
is the standing of life. It's ridiculous anyway. Anyway, Yeah,

1441
01:47:04.159 --> 01:47:07.159
there were Arabs living in the land, I'm not denying that,

1442
01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:16.560
but that doesn't constitute a state there. It's like a

1443
01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:20.119
group of people were living in that land. And that

1444
01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:26.760
Israeli independence declaration, if you read it today, it still

1445
01:47:26.880 --> 01:47:31.600
has these words, we invite Arabs to come and coexist

1446
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:35.479
with us and build this nation together. It's written in

1447
01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:40.680
the Declaration of Independence. But the following day after this declaration,

1448
01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:45.560
five Arab countries attacked Israel nineteen four eight after rejecting

1449
01:47:45.640 --> 01:47:51.239
that United Nations proposals.

1450
01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:55.039
So what's the what is the what is the why

1451
01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:59.039
is there such a hate for the nation of Israel? Okay,

1452
01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:02.880
that's one question. The other one is what do you

1453
01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:08.680
say to those who blame everything on the Zionists. Okay,

1454
01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:11.720
many people believe that everything that's going on right now

1455
01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:16.479
with Gaza Palestine is because seventy some odd years ago

1456
01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:19.920
or whatever that these Jewish people who weren't even in

1457
01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:22.840
the region, were in Europe came over to displace people

1458
01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:26.680
and kick them out their homes. It's it's a skewed

1459
01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:30.000
view of the actual history of what really happened. But

1460
01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:32.199
you know, as someone who's not from the area, and

1461
01:48:32.319 --> 01:48:34.640
when I try to talk about these things, I get

1462
01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:36.760
dismissed or people tell me that I don't understand what

1463
01:48:36.800 --> 01:48:39.359
I'm talking about. Even though you can research and read

1464
01:48:39.479 --> 01:48:41.479
everything you could. You could you could read what led

1465
01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:43.720
to it. You could read how the Ottoman Empire and

1466
01:48:43.920 --> 01:48:46.640
the people who consider themselves Palestina today actually sided with

1467
01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:49.159
the Ottoman Empire to help get rid of the Jewish

1468
01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:51.079
people from the land and expel them so that they

1469
01:48:51.119 --> 01:48:53.520
can take it over. Where else were they going to go?

1470
01:48:54.439 --> 01:48:58.000
And I have a thing that I that I always

1471
01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:01.600
go to. It's it's like people will then make the argument,

1472
01:49:01.640 --> 01:49:03.439
while they were conquered, No, they weren't conquered. You know

1473
01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.359
why they never accepted defeat. They always had a plan

1474
01:49:06.479 --> 01:49:08.760
to come back those who are conquered, the ones who

1475
01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:12.119
accepted their defeat, accepted the fact that, oh, well, I

1476
01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:13.920
guess we're different people now and now we're going to

1477
01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:16.319
have to give in. But the Jewish people never did.

1478
01:49:16.920 --> 01:49:21.560
So can you expand on that and also explain, you know,

1479
01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:26.199
the fallacy and what people try to identify as Zionism

1480
01:49:26.319 --> 01:49:28.560
being at the root of this situation in this.

1481
01:49:28.640 --> 01:49:36.279
Conflict, Well, the Jews are hated for too many different reasons,

1482
01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:44.399
and among these reasons as the fact that the Jews

1483
01:49:44.880 --> 01:49:52.399
survived two thousand years of persecution and the resilience and

1484
01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:05.479
they were able to rebuild after everything. So unfortunately, we

1485
01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:12.039
have this tendency to want greatness and glory for only ourselves.

1486
01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:19.359
If somebody else is successful, yeah we might be happy

1487
01:50:19.439 --> 01:50:24.359
for him, but we want it for ourselves. So unfortunately,

1488
01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:27.720
people might say they can't say whatever they want, but

1489
01:50:27.880 --> 01:50:34.880
this is reality. There's some kind of envy there. Jews

1490
01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:44.119
are successful after the Holocaust, their representation and every single

1491
01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:50.239
industry or progress, they're everywhere. So there's one of the reasons.

1492
01:50:50.399 --> 01:50:57.960
Another reason is the radical left is has its ideology

1493
01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:04.680
belt on grievance and victimhood and Israel defies that ideology

1494
01:51:04.760 --> 01:51:08.960
destroys it. Israel is not built on victim pod as

1495
01:51:09.000 --> 01:51:14.159
well as built on resilience, and so again they don't

1496
01:51:14.319 --> 01:51:16.520
like that. They don't like the fact that Israel has

1497
01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:22.119
survived everything and it's disciple, and not only that, it's powerful,

1498
01:51:22.560 --> 01:51:26.079
it's becoming one of the most powerful states in the worlds.

1499
01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:30.880
And you have religious hatred of course in Islam that

1500
01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:35.920
was inherited by Muslims, in the Secret Scripture and in

1501
01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:42.720
the history itself. So there are too many reasons. I

1502
01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:45.840
can like list a lot of them, but none of

1503
01:51:45.960 --> 01:51:53.039
them are is legit or right. It's all based in

1504
01:51:53.800 --> 01:52:02.520
false perceptions and the Zionism. To accuse Zionist movement of

1505
01:52:03.239 --> 01:52:08.319
atrocities and to be the reason behind is ridiculous because

1506
01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:12.560
the Zionist movement started as a response to persecution.

1507
01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:13.840
It was not.

1508
01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:21.319
Established as a biblical apocalyptical movement that wanted to bring

1509
01:52:21.399 --> 01:52:25.920
the Jews back to Israel. And no, it was a

1510
01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:29.600
response to what was happening to the Jews in Eastern

1511
01:52:29.640 --> 01:52:33.560
Europe and in Russia. And that's why the pioneers of

1512
01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:39.560
the Sience movement didn't care about where this Jewish state

1513
01:52:39.640 --> 01:52:43.239
would be they just wanted a state because they wanted

1514
01:52:43.319 --> 01:52:48.319
self determination. And that's why Ugunda was proposed by Theodore

1515
01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:54.159
Hertzel to the Zionist Council at the beginning. So the

1516
01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:59.760
Zion's movement is simply defined as the right of the

1517
01:52:59.840 --> 01:53:05.520
Jews people to self determination because the Jews have tried

1518
01:53:05.600 --> 01:53:11.239
everything to assimilate, to coexist two never worked, never worked.

1519
01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:16.680
So they realized, Okay, we're done, we need our state,

1520
01:53:16.840 --> 01:53:21.479
we need to govern ourselves. That that's it. And that

1521
01:53:21.920 --> 01:53:29.720
Zionist movement is trying to protect that state of Israel.

1522
01:53:31.159 --> 01:53:35.840
And that's that's a pack a path is controlling America.

1523
01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:40.039
They don't care about controlling America. And I'm not I'm

1524
01:53:40.079 --> 01:53:43.960
not funded by any Zionist movement or a pact and

1525
01:53:44.079 --> 01:53:47.039
not I actually applied for a job at a pack

1526
01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:52.119
and they deny, they rejected me. So, but what they're

1527
01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:54.399
clear about their mission. We want to keep the Congress

1528
01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:58.840
pro Israel. Why because we want to protect the state

1529
01:53:58.920 --> 01:54:04.960
of Israel, which exists in an ocean of enemies. So

1530
01:54:05.520 --> 01:54:07.800
the Zionist movement is not trying to control the word

1531
01:54:08.439 --> 01:54:12.439
and designists are not trying to expand You idiots, The

1532
01:54:12.640 --> 01:54:17.680
Israel for the past seventy seven years. Gave up land

1533
01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:27.000
that legally acquired after defending their country against enemies. They

1534
01:54:27.079 --> 01:54:31.079
gave up Sinai, they gave up southern Lebanon, they gave

1535
01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:38.199
up the Gaza. That is the most. It's like the

1536
01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:43.119
failure of the Zionist project is praise. It is astonishing.

1537
01:54:43.520 --> 01:54:50.239
It's like they've failed in their expansionist project. It's like, no,

1538
01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:53.119
it's rightly the designs movement just wants to predict raduates people.

1539
01:54:53.600 --> 01:54:59.720
So we need to understand this alliance between the radical movement,

1540
01:55:00.039 --> 01:55:05.239
radical left movement and Islam. I had to say this.

1541
01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:07.880
They don't care about Islam. They don't care about Palistine,

1542
01:55:07.920 --> 01:55:10.760
they don't care about Muslims, they don't care about children,

1543
01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:15.880
they don't care about women. They care about any tool

1544
01:55:16.439 --> 01:55:22.439
that could be utilized to attack the Western word, the

1545
01:55:22.479 --> 01:55:28.039
Western civilization, capitalism, because in their blood.

1546
01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:30.279
There is this.

1547
01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:39.439
It's a virus that makes them see that the Western system,

1548
01:55:39.600 --> 01:55:45.479
the power systems in the West, are responsible for not

1549
01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:51.600
creating their utopia. They're the obstacles. They want to create

1550
01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:55.880
a utopia and by taking the West they could achieve that.

1551
01:55:56.119 --> 01:56:00.119
And Islam and Palestine is only utilized to achieve that.

1552
01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:04.720
So what we are experiencing today is not only anti Semitism.

1553
01:56:05.880 --> 01:56:09.960
If we only reduce it to anti simitism, we missed

1554
01:56:09.960 --> 01:56:16.319
the point. It's not. It's anti Western, anti America, ntire freedom, liberty, capitalism,

1555
01:56:16.399 --> 01:56:22.479
individual rights. So that's how we must see what's going

1556
01:56:22.520 --> 01:56:23.239
on today.

1557
01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:26.520
Right in the Zionist movement absolutely correctly said it was.

1558
01:56:26.680 --> 01:56:30.239
It was both a response to twofold to me, was

1559
01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:36.319
a response to their treatment and a persecution in Europe. Also, uh,

1560
01:56:37.159 --> 01:56:39.760
it was it was a long standing need to get

1561
01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:44.039
back to their land, which they were displaced for. You know,

1562
01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:46.479
that's why they ended up in Europe in the first place.

1563
01:56:47.239 --> 01:56:53.640
So that the narrative that you know, they're wrong for

1564
01:56:53.760 --> 01:56:56.960
wanting their land back, that they never actually gave up

1565
01:56:57.039 --> 01:57:01.359
or forgot about, to me, has always been ridiculous and correct.

1566
01:57:01.479 --> 01:57:04.199
I mean, I want to I want one thing to

1567
01:57:04.319 --> 01:57:10.439
your point going back to the land, it was actually

1568
01:57:10.600 --> 01:57:15.439
if you look at your circle records prior to nineteen seventeen,

1569
01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:24.119
before the Sixpico Agreement which divided the Stomach Empire into

1570
01:57:24.680 --> 01:57:31.359
nation states, before that was revealed, it was actually leaked

1571
01:57:31.439 --> 01:57:37.119
by the Polshevists. They revealed it. It was a secret treaty,

1572
01:57:37.199 --> 01:57:41.119
but anyway, before it was revealed, no circle records of

1573
01:57:41.800 --> 01:57:47.000
any projection, any resistance from Muslims to the migration of

1574
01:57:47.079 --> 01:57:50.800
the Jews to the land, except in eighteen eighty one.

1575
01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:56.199
The Ottomans resisted that. Not because they didn't want the

1576
01:57:56.279 --> 01:57:58.920
Jews to return back to their land, no, no, but

1577
01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:04.960
because they were terrified of national movements. There was a

1578
01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:09.800
national movement being formed in Greece, and they were afraid

1579
01:58:09.880 --> 01:58:14.239
of national movements to start erupting everywhere in the Ottoman Empire.

1580
01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:18.119
So they didn't want the Jews to return to Palestine

1581
01:58:21.399 --> 01:58:24.119
because they didn't want them to form a national movement

1582
01:58:24.800 --> 01:58:30.800
and that movement would be contagious to Arabs, to different nations.

1583
01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:35.000
So that's the reason why the Ottomans stopped the migration

1584
01:58:35.079 --> 01:58:39.439
of Jews or resisted it to Panastan. But we don't

1585
01:58:39.479 --> 01:58:42.319
have any circle records of Muslims or Arabs.

1586
01:58:42.399 --> 01:58:46.039
I tell you why because okay, sorry, go ahead, no,

1587
01:58:46.279 --> 01:58:47.279
this is like the.

1588
01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:51.439
Point is why there is no resistance because the caliphate

1589
01:58:52.199 --> 01:58:56.000
was in the place. When the caliphate is in place,

1590
01:58:56.760 --> 01:59:00.399
the assumption is we don't care if the Jews returned

1591
01:59:00.439 --> 01:59:04.840
to the land, they will be subjugated. To the Islamic cruel,

1592
01:59:05.119 --> 01:59:09.199
they will live and during the Islamic cruel. The problem

1593
01:59:09.520 --> 01:59:14.960
is when the Jews wanted sovereignty. It's not about their existence.

1594
01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:22.680
If Benjamin Natinio today convert to Islam the Palestinian the

1595
01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:24.600
whole Pastinian conflict will end to.

1596
01:59:24.680 --> 01:59:25.319
Be in a second.

1597
01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:27.520
It will be done immediately.

1598
01:59:28.159 --> 01:59:30.840
So so to back up really quick, that's a good

1599
01:59:30.880 --> 01:59:33.439
point you just made, actually, But to back up really quick.

1600
01:59:33.680 --> 01:59:38.359
You know, before the Ottoman Empire came in, the people

1601
01:59:38.439 --> 01:59:41.439
of Israel, or the Jewish people were already there, right,

1602
01:59:42.039 --> 01:59:44.279
they were driven out by the Ottoman Empire. It was

1603
01:59:44.439 --> 01:59:47.720
it was live under our rule or leave that that.

1604
01:59:47.920 --> 01:59:51.119
That's what happened before the Ottoman Empire got there. When

1605
01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:53.680
once they got there they drove them out. It's like,

1606
01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:55.960
you live under our rule, you live how you live

1607
01:59:56.119 --> 01:59:58.520
under our subjugation, or you're out of here.

1608
01:59:58.640 --> 02:00:03.560
Right, the Jews kept a connection to the land. Since

1609
02:00:03.600 --> 02:00:09.199
their connection to the land never ceased at a certain point.

1610
02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:14.039
They could be like a few hundreds of people at

1611
02:00:14.359 --> 02:00:16.960
a certain point would be a thousand, doesn't matter. They

1612
02:00:17.039 --> 02:00:17.680
kept the connection.

1613
02:00:17.960 --> 02:00:18.720
Yes, yes, agreed.

1614
02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:20.760
Wait, it's not about it.

1615
02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:22.520
That's the history.

1616
02:00:23.000 --> 02:00:26.319
Nine percent of them migrated in the twentieth century. That

1617
02:00:26.439 --> 02:00:31.680
doesn't change the fact that they had as much right

1618
02:00:31.960 --> 02:00:36.039
as everybody else in the region to form a state

1619
02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:39.239
because there were a group of people living on a

1620
02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:45.880
geographical geographical spot, and everybody was starting a state, So

1621
02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:51.920
why not the Jews who were persistent on the fact

1622
02:00:51.960 --> 02:00:54.000
that they had to rule themselves. They don't want to

1623
02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:58.039
be ruled by someone else. And if they accepted an

1624
02:00:58.119 --> 02:01:00.680
Islamic rule, there would be no no problem at all.

1625
02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:02.039
There would have been no problem.

1626
02:01:02.279 --> 02:01:05.920
It's like, okay, if they converted today, all these wars

1627
02:01:05.960 --> 02:01:08.319
would end, and then what it would be It would

1628
02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:13.560
it would absolutely be a newfound focus by everyone who

1629
02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:16.359
is under the rule of Islam to now focus on

1630
02:01:16.399 --> 02:01:17.600
the rest of the world and take the rest of

1631
02:01:17.600 --> 02:01:18.079
the world over.

1632
02:01:18.199 --> 02:01:21.920
People forget all the arguments they have made since the

1633
02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:27.760
beginning about identity and heritage and land. They forget everything.

1634
02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:31.239
I A'll go away if be being a not inao tonight,

1635
02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:34.319
convert to Islam. I'm not talking about all these regular people. No, No,

1636
02:01:34.720 --> 02:01:37.840
just the ruler, the king of the land, who rules

1637
02:01:37.880 --> 02:01:44.520
the land. If he converts to Islam, people in Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt,

1638
02:01:44.840 --> 02:01:49.439
Juria would be offering the Jewish people lands, not the

1639
02:01:49.520 --> 02:01:52.520
Jewish people Latino, they would be offering him lands like

1640
02:01:52.640 --> 02:01:55.439
come and take more, doesn't They don't care about land.

1641
02:01:56.359 --> 02:01:59.319
It's not about land, never been about the land. It's

1642
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it's a manufactured lie.

1643
02:02:02.439 --> 02:02:05.600
That's interesting and it's it's crazy because if you look

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02:02:05.640 --> 02:02:09.119
at geographically like Israel, the nation state is such a

1645
02:02:09.239 --> 02:02:11.840
small sliver of land compared to the rest of the

1646
02:02:11.880 --> 02:02:16.039
Arab world, It really is. Do you believe that what's

1647
02:02:16.039 --> 02:02:17.399
going on with the conflict right now?

1648
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Though?

1649
02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:22.039
Is is Israel really doing everything they're saying to the

1650
02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:25.159
people of Palestine or living in what's considered Palestine today?

1651
02:02:25.840 --> 02:02:28.880
Are they indiscriminately bombing, are they starving people? Are are

1652
02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:33.319
they killing innocence indiscriminately? Or is that a lot of

1653
02:02:33.479 --> 02:02:35.239
manufactured lies and propaganda.

1654
02:02:36.680 --> 02:02:43.039
So I believe that October seven happened on Iranian orders

1655
02:02:43.479 --> 02:02:50.760
to sabotage the Saudi Israeli the stokes. I'm one hundred

1656
02:02:50.760 --> 02:02:56.680
percent certain of that, because a Saudi Israeli peace treaty

1657
02:02:57.479 --> 02:03:05.600
would have meant that the excuse of Iran to be

1658
02:03:05.800 --> 02:03:12.000
in the region is Vanish. It's like, if Saudi is

1659
02:03:12.039 --> 02:03:17.000
making peace with Israel and the Palestinian conflict is coming

1660
02:03:17.039 --> 02:03:22.119
to an end, then why Iran has any reason to

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02:03:22.199 --> 02:03:25.039
stay in Lebanon in Syria and Iraq in Yemen. So

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02:03:25.199 --> 02:03:28.840
they had to tell that the peace stokes between Israel

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02:03:28.840 --> 02:03:37.720
and Sagaria. Now their retaliation of Israel. And this is

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02:03:38.159 --> 02:03:41.760
an important point. The retaliation of Israel is not the

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02:03:41.880 --> 02:03:47.039
reason why Israel is being accused of genocide and all

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02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:49.640
the accusations that we see to be you know why,

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02:03:50.199 --> 02:03:53.680
because on October seven people we are protesting on the

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02:03:53.800 --> 02:03:58.279
streets of London and New York in different cities against Israel.

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02:03:58.399 --> 02:04:02.600
Even though Israel did not tell and even as I

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02:04:02.720 --> 02:04:06.399
remember yea, even the Jews, the Jewish people were still

1671
02:04:06.560 --> 02:04:10.079
burying their the bodies, looking for the bodies, trying to

1672
02:04:10.159 --> 02:04:11.319
identify them bodies.

1673
02:04:11.359 --> 02:04:13.640
Are right, they were already protesting as Israel. They didn't

1674
02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:15.199
even do anything. Yet they didn't even retaliate.

1675
02:04:15.720 --> 02:04:19.640
Yeah, it's uh, it's not true that israelis being an

1676
02:04:19.880 --> 02:04:23.079
accused of a genocide because of what happened after over

1677
02:04:23.199 --> 02:04:27.359
seven No, it's being accused of genocide because it serves

1678
02:04:27.479 --> 02:04:35.319
the narrative that different movements and the Holly Alliance in

1679
02:04:35.399 --> 02:04:42.960
the West h embraces it's their narrative. Now, when we

1680
02:04:43.039 --> 02:04:47.359
talk about the retaliation scale, I want you to imagine

1681
02:04:48.640 --> 02:04:54.079
if but A said was leading this war in Gaza

1682
02:04:56.119 --> 02:04:59.560
on the same scale that we have seen in Syria

1683
02:05:00.159 --> 02:05:08.840
between twenty eleven and two thousand twenty four, and you're

1684
02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:11.319
take into consideration the size of the land, the size

1685
02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:13.760
of Syria and the size of Gaza, and the number

1686
02:05:13.800 --> 02:05:19.840
of populations, the death rate would be or the number

1687
02:05:19.920 --> 02:05:24.119
of casualties would be. I have calculated that. I think

1688
02:05:24.159 --> 02:05:30.199
it's one point two millions. So if Israel retaliated or

1689
02:05:30.279 --> 02:05:35.760
responded on the scale of the Acid, we should have

1690
02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:40.239
more than one point two casualties in Gaza. But we

1691
02:05:40.479 --> 02:05:46.479
have according to the Ministry of Health hamas Minister of Weld,

1692
02:05:46.920 --> 02:05:51.600
you have fifty to sixty thousand. Okay, now in the

1693
02:05:51.680 --> 02:05:58.239
sixty thousands, how many people in Gaza died naturally since

1694
02:05:58.279 --> 02:06:01.399
October seven, two years? How many natural death we have?

1695
02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:08.840
I think we have zero. It's all blame. So when

1696
02:06:08.960 --> 02:06:15.560
God decides that somebody's life has ended, all let's blame

1697
02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:19.199
isray for it. It's God, it's nature it's age. If

1698
02:06:19.239 --> 02:06:23.000
somebody dying dies in a car accident, it doesn't matter.

1699
02:06:23.079 --> 02:06:27.479
It's like the bucket that has all that death, and

1700
02:06:27.600 --> 02:06:33.479
it's number one, number two. How many a mass first

1701
02:06:34.039 --> 02:06:38.880
died according to the Israeli reports, probably twenty five thou

1702
02:06:41.560 --> 02:06:49.239
So how many civilians Innoctan civilians really died in guests.

1703
02:06:51.439 --> 02:06:56.720
I'm gonna assume it's ten thousands. Okay, it's a huge number, heartbreaking.

1704
02:06:58.920 --> 02:07:04.479
But here's the thing. Israel is in a moral dilemma.

1705
02:07:06.760 --> 02:07:10.439
What Israel is going to do? If Israel let Hamas

1706
02:07:10.880 --> 02:07:18.039
stay live, regroup, another October seven is gonna happen. And

1707
02:07:18.159 --> 02:07:21.520
people don't understand what October seven represents in that imagination

1708
02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:22.439
of the Jewish people.

1709
02:07:24.720 --> 02:07:25.000
It is.

1710
02:07:29.039 --> 02:07:32.880
It is the Holocaust, a mini Holocaust. It is something

1711
02:07:32.960 --> 02:07:38.399
that no non Jews can understand. Are you a Jew?

1712
02:07:38.920 --> 02:07:45.000
Have you? Are you? Has your life been shaped by

1713
02:07:46.199 --> 02:07:51.720
that event? No? So you don't understand October seven. I

1714
02:07:51.800 --> 02:07:55.680
don't understand October seven and how the Jews see it.

1715
02:07:56.640 --> 02:08:03.680
It was reminder that the possibility of another course is there,

1716
02:08:04.960 --> 02:08:09.840
and there's a promise never again. So the scale of

1717
02:08:09.920 --> 02:08:16.000
retaliation should be understood through this lens, through the lens

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02:08:16.119 --> 02:08:21.000
of survival of a nation that has been under the

1719
02:08:21.119 --> 02:08:25.319
threat of destruction and eradication for a very long time.

1720
02:08:26.279 --> 02:08:32.560
So I don't believe that retaliation of Israel Astorks over

1721
02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:44.319
seven was disproportionate. I think it was restrained, very very restrained,

1722
02:08:45.279 --> 02:08:55.199
and very calculated. Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties. I

1723
02:08:55.319 --> 02:09:00.920
believe this from the depth of my heart. And Israel

1724
02:09:01.079 --> 02:09:08.119
is being held to higher standards than every other country,

1725
02:09:08.319 --> 02:09:13.800
every other group. It's like, no Israeli soldier is allowed

1726
02:09:13.920 --> 02:09:21.520
to joke with another soldier as they are fighting. These

1727
02:09:21.600 --> 02:09:25.479
are baryters. If there is a five seconds video of

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02:09:25.760 --> 02:09:31.920
to Israeli soldiers making a joke or misbehaving, that is

1729
02:09:32.279 --> 02:09:39.520
condemnation against Israel. It's ridiculous when you have mothers taking

1730
02:09:39.560 --> 02:09:46.039
a pride in installing the suicide bomb vest on their children,

1731
02:09:47.359 --> 02:09:53.760
and you condemn Israel for an Israeli soldier wearing a

1732
02:09:53.920 --> 02:09:58.880
bra as they fight in Gaza. It's just kidding, playing

1733
02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:06.399
the rounds. That morel the humanization of Israel what it's

1734
02:10:08.199 --> 02:10:13.039
so yeah, I again, trust me, Georgie. I'm not saying

1735
02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:19.199
any of these things because I'm paid by anyone. I

1736
02:10:19.319 --> 02:10:22.960
am honest and authentic as a former Muslim, as an

1737
02:10:23.000 --> 02:10:29.279
Arab Jordanian who lived among Palestinians for years. This is

1738
02:10:30.479 --> 02:10:32.560
how I see this conflict, and this is how I

1739
02:10:32.600 --> 02:10:38.760
see Israel. Israel is the only state today in the

1740
02:10:38.800 --> 02:10:42.760
Middle East that is trying to protect the Drews. You

1741
02:10:42.800 --> 02:10:46.279
could say that they have national interests, of course, who doesn't,

1742
02:10:47.399 --> 02:10:52.800
But nevertheless, Israel is protecting the drus from a massacre,

1743
02:10:53.720 --> 02:10:56.840
from being sold in the slave market of the Islamic state.

1744
02:10:57.720 --> 02:11:01.640
While Turkey is watching, Rock is watching, Jordan is watching,

1745
02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:03.520
Egypt is watching. You know, I think I remember it,

1746
02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:07.479
Saudi Arabia, Nobury is coming to the rescue of the drums.

1747
02:11:08.399 --> 02:11:14.840
And people have the audacity to criticize Israel and condemn Israel.

1748
02:11:15.239 --> 02:11:21.199
This nation that have that has helped the Christians in

1749
02:11:21.279 --> 02:11:27.479
Lebanon and Voto alongside them against the terrorists of the PLO.

1750
02:11:29.720 --> 02:11:34.479
Israel is the only country that is really caring for

1751
02:11:34.600 --> 02:11:38.720
the minorities in the Middle East, trying to save them

1752
02:11:38.760 --> 02:11:44.039
from Islamic barbarism. Yet the word is condemning Israel. So

1753
02:11:45.560 --> 02:11:45.920
you have that.

1754
02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:51.439
Oh well, I think with that we should probably wrap

1755
02:11:51.479 --> 02:11:56.560
it up. You're talking about a lot, a lot of

1756
02:11:56.680 --> 02:12:00.159
different things that are very relevant. Great conversation. Thank you

1757
02:12:00.319 --> 02:12:04.720
very much. Before you go, though, please tell everybody more

1758
02:12:04.720 --> 02:12:06.800
about where they can find your title of your book,

1759
02:12:06.840 --> 02:12:09.359
et cetera. Go ahead and let everybody know about that place.

1760
02:12:09.560 --> 02:12:12.119
I haven't decided on a title yet, but it's going

1761
02:12:12.199 --> 02:12:15.079
to be about Islam, Israel, and the future of the West.

1762
02:12:15.640 --> 02:12:19.560
So it's going to cover a lot of topics. It's

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02:12:19.640 --> 02:12:24.880
going to talk about that, how Islam is a political ideology.

1764
02:12:25.000 --> 02:12:28.439
Why it's not going to be another book about information

1765
02:12:29.239 --> 02:12:31.640
that you could find in a thousand other books. No,

1766
02:12:32.119 --> 02:12:38.640
it's going to be unique analysis, fresh perspective into the

1767
02:12:39.079 --> 02:12:42.840
Arab Israeli conflict. Why Islam is incompatible with the West,

1768
02:12:43.279 --> 02:12:45.960
Why Islam is the threat is a threat to the West.

1769
02:12:48.560 --> 02:12:55.039
Also that today a Christian alliance that should save the West,

1770
02:12:55.079 --> 02:12:58.720
I would say, And the Abrahamic religion, Why Islam is

1771
02:12:58.800 --> 02:13:03.159
not an Abrahamic relgig gen and reformation Islam? Is it possible?

1772
02:13:04.399 --> 02:13:07.880
How to respond to this threat? How to understand the

1773
02:13:09.119 --> 02:13:13.439
geopolitics of the Middle East in life of all these

1774
02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:17.359
So the book is going to be available for pre

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02:13:17.600 --> 02:13:23.800
order on September seventh, and the release date is October seven,

1776
02:13:25.560 --> 02:13:30.920
an a truly date for obvious reasons. Of course, you

1777
02:13:31.000 --> 02:13:36.920
can find me on www dot project ex dot org.

1778
02:13:37.960 --> 02:13:40.880
If you go to this website, that's my substat I

1779
02:13:41.039 --> 02:13:45.880
encourage you to subscribe to receive my articles to your

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02:13:46.159 --> 02:13:49.319
inbox and follow me on x. You also find the

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02:13:49.399 --> 02:13:53.079
link on my subset page. Thank you so much, George.

1782
02:13:53.840 --> 02:13:55.479
Oh, thank you for your time. I enjoyed this and

1783
02:13:55.960 --> 02:13:58.479
I will stay in touch with you. It's very informative

1784
02:13:58.840 --> 02:14:02.000
and I do have a big interest into the history

1785
02:14:02.039 --> 02:14:05.239
of the region and what is going on there. So again,

1786
02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:06.960
I know I pushed back a little bit. I was

1787
02:14:07.039 --> 02:14:10.119
just trying to get the conversation to go in other

1788
02:14:10.159 --> 02:14:14.560
directions so we can hear more perspective, which was really

1789
02:14:14.600 --> 02:14:15.880
great and I appreciate it.

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02:14:15.920 --> 02:14:16.079
I do.

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I appreciate you
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Dan Burmawi

Author | Political Theologist | Middle Eastern Affairs

I Left Two Religions: Islam and Palestine

I am a convert twice over.

Once, from Islam to Christianity, and once from Palestine to truth.

I rejected Islam at 18, when I realized it was not a divine faith but a political movement, engineered by a 7th-century Arabian warlord who erased my ancestors’ civilization and converted them by force.

But there was another religion I was following, that religion's name was Palestine.

Like Islam, the religion of Palestine has its prophet, Yasser Arafat, wrapped in keffiyeh. Its prophet had companions, the warlords and ideologues of the so-called resistance.