Dan Burmawi - The Truth About Islam, Israel, and Palestine

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All right, and now we are kicking off, So I'm

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excited to have you here, Dan BERMOUI did I say

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that correctly?

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Yep?

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Okay, great. Came across a few of your posts on

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X is how I found out about you. Then I

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saw your videos, and then I saw that you had

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this Project Excess. Project ex It's an organization that you formed,

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and this is what I was really interested in. So

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I see what you had pinned on social media where

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you state I left two religions Islam and Palestine. I

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am a convert twice over and once from Islam to Christianity,

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once from Palestine to Truth. And then you go on

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to say a lot more you rejected Islam at eighteen

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and etc. So I want to know more about your

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experience with Islam, and also you know more about your organization,

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this Project X and what it is you actually do.

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And then I have other questions down the road as

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we dive into this deeper. But let's start with your experience.

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Is what led you to reject Islam? What about Islam?

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Did you find out or discover that it was not

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an actual religion but actually just more of a political

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movement or basically a way to gather people to gain

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control of the areas. What it really seems like it is.

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Well, thank you George for having me. I'm excited about this. Well, basically,

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I'm asked this question all the time about how I

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left Islam, why I left Islam, And I can give

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you one thousand different answers because it depends on how

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you approach the question. Do you want to approach it

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theologically talking about the relationship with God? What is salvation?

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How is how Islam doesn't offer any a spiritual transformation

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or relationship or reconciliation with God. Or we can do

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it from a social perspective. How Islam, I would say,

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create a slavery mentality. You're not a free Your relationship

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with God is based on fear, obedience for the sake

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of obedience, and how that and creating dictatorships. That's why

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in the Islamic world you cannot have secularism or free

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societies because the imagination of the people cannot comprehend free

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It's always about dictatorship, the authority. The concept of authority

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itself in Islam is dissorted. So my experience with Islam

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is really simple. When I was eighteen years old, I

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made the decision that I wanted to commit myself to

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serve allan serve Islam and defend the profhet Muhammad. After

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the Danish cartoonist controversy in two thousand and six, and

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I was moved or I was captured emotionally by what

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happened on the streets of the Arab woard as a

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response to the drawings of the profit of Islam. But

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after a year of practicing Islam with full devotion, I

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realized that I was hidden toward and did and drove.

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There was nothing that is Them could offer me spiritually

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at all. Then, of course I realized by reading the

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Islamic history that I was looking at a warlord and

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a theology of enslavement. It was an expansionist political ideology,

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that's it. And I converted to Christianity after reading the

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New Tastament. Had to leave my country because they couldn't

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practice my new faith in a country where ninety nine

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percent of the population are our followers of one religion,

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one sect of the religion actually, and in a culture

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that demands conformity. And that's it.

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What So let's let's uh, let's rewind a bit and

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and dive a little bit into what you said here.

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I want to understand. So what what about Islam is

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based on authoritarianism or in creating dictators? Where where is

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it that that is found in Islam itself?

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Listen, I'm working on my book. I'm going to talk

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about my book. But of course I was writing about Yeah.

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Today was writing about how the Catholic Church didn't need

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a sacred text in order to justify violence during the Inquisitions,

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It only needed a sacred institution. That sacred institution found

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a high demand for salvation. We human beings, We need

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to be saved, whether we are believers non believers. Suffering

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in this world urged us to find a way to

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get saved, whether temporal relief in this world or eternal relief.

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So what happened during that time that justified violence? Even

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though the biblical text doesn't justify violence at all. The

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Church as an authority attached salvation to defending God and

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justified violence to protect the Church. So even the Catholic

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Church without a text was able to do it. Imagine

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Islam with hundreds of texts in the sacred Quran and

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in the sacred Hadith. What Islam is capable of now.

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Many of the Islami topologists try to who argue that,

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you know, the interpretations are not true. We have different interpretations.

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They try to refer to mysticism or metaphorical language. I

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don't care about all of that at this point. It's

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really irrespective of what they think. The damage has already happened,

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and that damage, to explain it to our audience, is

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the fourteen centuries of vioumes using the Sacred Text and

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the role model of Muhammad that is irreversible. So you

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ask me what in Islam constitute this, I would say

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simply this. It's a combination of searching for salvation, the characters,

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the characteristics of God as a brutal dictator himself threatening

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you with hell fire, grave torture if you don't obey him,

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and framing non Muslims into enemies.

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Of Allah, and the role model of Muhammad leading or

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authorizing eighty six battles, ordering assassinations against the centers and.

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Poets who criticize him. Even for criticizing Muhammad, you get

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your head chopped off. And that's an history tale establishing

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the rule of Allah. So of course I can't go

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now and give you a lest two verses Sura nine,

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verse five, Sura nine, verse twenty eight nine, verse forty two.

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I can't give you like a list of Hadid sayings

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of Muhammad. Doesn't matter, it's not how it's like you

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you can Fredrick Knintzsche said that there is no meaning,

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it's only interpretation. And I can give you a verse,

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and that verse has its own horizon, and you also

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have your horizon. And there is a fusion of horizons

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when you read it. What is the horizon of the

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Islamic world? It is a horizon shaped by centuries of

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practical theology of conquest, subjugation of non Muslims. If human

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non Muslims as second class citizens, they don't have value.

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The value is determined by your religious affiligation and your obedience.

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It's not a universal value like we have in the

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Western civilization. So when you have a God like that,

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and that vision of God form your imagination, you end

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up manifesting that image into the world. You cannot function

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with a secular regime because you don't comprehend that kind

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of governance. You get a cognitive dostenance because you believe

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that authority is tyrannical. It's brutal, and then you end

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up with a system that has individual rights, has blind justice.

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It doesn't work like that. It's like there's discrimination all

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the way, everywhere in the character of God himself. I

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hope this explains to you why the argument, the whole

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argument is about you don't get this meaning, the interpretation.

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It doesn't matter, all of it. It doesn't reatly matter.

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We're talking about deeper truth here.

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Yeah, that's always the rebuttal. That's always you don't get

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the meaning because you're not reading it in the actual

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language or from the Arabic perspective. You're looking at it

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through a Western lens, so you don't understand, right, Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

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that's always the rebuttal. But you can see the repeated

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behavior throughout the centuries, over and over and over. And

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then there are those who say that even if you

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can read the language and you can interpret it from there.

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And that's the other thing I've noticed, and I don't

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know if I'm wrong on this, but it seems that

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with Islam there is no room for interpretation. It's a

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literal reading of what the word is, and that's what

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it's supposed to be. Is that correct assessment.

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I'll go beyond that. I will say this, there is

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no interpretation at all in Islam. There is only one

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interpretation superior to everything else, and that is Muhammad himself.

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It's like you can't have a thousand different books about

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interpretation of the Qur'an and the meanings and the events,

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and that it doesn't matter. It's like you have Muhammad

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as the ceiling. He's the ultimate authority on that sacred scripture.

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You want to understand God, look at Muhammad. He is

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the incarnation of God in the imagination of Muslims. Even

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though Islam claims not to be politicistic religion, but it

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is actually in practicality, and it's a practical side. It

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is a politicistic religion because Muhammad is almost equal to God.

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Without Muhammad, you cannot be saved. Without Muhammad, you don't

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have you are not accepted by Allah. So Muhammad is

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perceived by Muslims as central figure two, not only the

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tangible side of their religion, but the spiritual side. Even so,

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why I say that it doesn't matter what interpretation you

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look at, because at the end of the day, we

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have the story of Muhammad shaping what do you believe

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about God and about others. So he is the interpretation.

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Yeah, so they're they're literally within the scriptures putting Mohammad.

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It seems to be above God himself, is what it

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sounds like. And they don't really acknowledge Jesus or do they?

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Is there anything in there? Because the scripts of Islam

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did come after it wasn't before. You know, there's even

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evidence of mosques built on top of older temples that

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that way pre date Islam, absolutely pre date Islam. So

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I gotta ask you this though, because is there a

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different version? Okay? So Muslims correct me if I'm wrong.

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Are they not defined as people who practice Islam or

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worship the God according to the Qoran or basically Muhammad?

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Is that is that true? Is that? Is that the

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definition of what a Muslim is? Yeah?

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A Muslim who believes that Mohammed is the messenger of

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the creator of the universe.

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Okay, So with that being said, what's the difference between

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someone who practices Islam who's not supposed to deviate or

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have any interpretation, and that person who is considered an

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extreme Islamist? Is there a difference? Do people progress? Because

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we always hear stories how in some Middle Eastern countries

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or even cities whatever, that they're kind of getting away

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from Islam a bit or being a little more progressive

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in their views. So I don't know if this is

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true or not, but is there really a difference? Is

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there an extreme Islamist versus someone who practices Islam or

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is it all the same?

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No, there is no difference at all between Muslim and

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an Islamist. That is not a made up terms. The

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Muslim is a made up term. It was embraced by

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the Western government after nine to eleven in order to

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be able to contain or combat the Islamic terrorist groups

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without having to go against one point five billion Muslims.

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So they said, okay, we're going to differentiate between the

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so called radical groups and the rest of the Muslims.

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So then the average Muslim believes exactly what we hear

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about people who are considered extreme Islamist. Every everything that's

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not the East or or according to Muhamma's teaching, has

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to go, has to be converted or death to all infidels.

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That correct, every single Muslim in the world has to

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believe what eyes this beliefs in order to be a truthful,

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authentic Muslim.

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So then how is it that we can accept that

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any Muslim could be integrated into any culture.

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Then they have to get rid of Islam. They have

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to push is on to the back. And that's that's

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the problem, because the path of salvation in Islam is

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obedience to Allah. You have to adhere to all the

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commandments of Allah, or there is a very shortcut. You

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had martyrdom. You die in the path of Allah. So

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here's the thing. The majority, the extreme majority of Muslims,

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they don't practice through Islam because Islam is impractical, it's inconvenient.

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They cannot reconcile it with their reality, so they ignore it.

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They simply live as if it doesn't exist. But at

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the same time, they cannot condemn it because they know

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that this is the reali Islam. So they always justify

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it hamas you know, performing you had. They have to

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find a justification. Oh, it's resistance, Oh it's you know,

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they are oppressed Isis. They would be like Isis was

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created by the United States of America, by the Western imperialists.

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By the way, so anyway, it doesn't it doesn't matter.

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It's like they will find a way not to condemn it.

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Because they know they cannot condemn. If they condemn isis

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they condemned Muhammad. I challenge one point eight billion Muslims

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living in the world today to give me one single

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act that ISAs dead that Muhammad didn't one.

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So reality is not all Muslims are really true Muslims. Then,

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I mean there's a lot of people.

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That know they have to come up with a new

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name for their religion. That's religion that has Unfortunately, even

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though we're saying they're not true Muslims, but their epistemological

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reality is Islamic. That what informs their knowledge of the

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word is Islamic, even though if they don't practice it.

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So that's another danger, dangerous thing, and that's what I'm

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trying to challenge. I'm trying to educate the West about Islam.

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But at the same time they want to challenge Muslims

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to rethink is that it sales. It's like, you can

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not really wait, wait until Islam takes over the word

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so that you can practice Islam because other other than that,

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there's no way to practice it. You will go to jail.

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So so anybody who is considered Muslim, because Muslim obviously

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always kind of like, at least in the West, we

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we use the word to refer to a people, correct,

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And so it seems like there's no way to separate

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those who are just not religious people, right, they're a

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bit more secular in their views, but they're still classified

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as a Muslim or someone who practices them. So it

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seems like there's no way for them to escape it

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is that? Is that a truth?

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That's that's true, But we need we need to be

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careful because not all Muslims who identify with Islam wake

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up in the morning plotting against the rest of the world.

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It doesn't work like that.

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Yeah, I mean, that's kind of my point I guess

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I'm trying to make is how do we count for

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those individuals versus you know, the literal.

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Muslims which are who migrate to the West, they're coming

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for a better future, for better opportunities, for the freedom.

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But they would always align themselves with Islam whenever the

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opportunity allows. However, they don't. They're not a threat by themselves,

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except if they are radicalized or if they are pulled

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into more authentic radical version of Islam. Through different Islamic

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movements in the West. Now again you're asking me have

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very difficult questions. I don't know how to answer it

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because I don't want to. I want to be fair

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to the majority of Muslims out there. But at the

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same time, I can't really think of a way because

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the line between identifying with Islam and not practicing it

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and becoming a true Muslim is very thin. It's one

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prayer away, one epiphany away, one decision to be committed.

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So that's the danger. But I don't want to spread fear.

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I don't want people to start because this is this

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is wrong. I'm not saying be fearful of Muslims, all Muslims.

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That's not true. No, the majority of Muslims again, they

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are not practicing Islam, true Islam.

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But unfortunately I understand that that's not what my intention

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is either. I'm trying to understand because this is the

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way I look at it. It's like everybody says the

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Western world is Christian, but not everybody is religious or

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practice is Christianity. Everyone's a Catholic, but they only practice

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Catholicism on Sunday and the rest of the week. They

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are just a bunch of jerks. So that's what I'm

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trying to get at. Like I think, I think people

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throw a blanket over people that are considered Muslim. But

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in reality, in today's world, I mean, we hear the news,

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we hear the leaks that come out that not everybody

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who lives in those regions actually believes in that particular religion,

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but they have no way out. They're just they're stuck

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in the culture born.

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Yeah, it's different than being Christians or a Jew or anything.

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That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to Islam.

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Yeah, I'm not trying to understand what's going on here.

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Sure, I was.

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Watching the TV show and a Jewish person mitt his

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dad and he told them, Hey, dad, I became a

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Jewel for Christ. And his dad said like things like that.

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It's like he didn't care for that. He didn't kill him,

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he didn't. There was like a past a few seconds.

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That's it. Okay, you're jew for Christ. Who cares? You're

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converted to Christianity. It doesn't matter. Now if you're a

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Christian and you tell your parents I'm converting to Scientology,

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maybe they're gonna have a conversation. With you. I don't know,

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but they're not gonna threaten to kill you. In Islam,

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it's different. Identifying with Islam means that Allah is your god,

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Mohammed is your prophet, is your book. You see the

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word from an Islamic clans. But it's not necessary that

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you practice everything in Islam because you can't. Simply you

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can't practice it. There are too many elements in Islam

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that are dormant that you cannot practice anymore. Now, can

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you leave Islam and like, be fine, nobody's gonna touch you.

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It's unlikely because again, Islam doesn't give you that room.

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You are either in or out. If you're out, then

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you are the enemy of Allah. It's not an intellectual struggle.

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It's not a whistling with ideas. No, it's affiliation to

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the tribe, to the nation, to the Umba. So that's

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why as long as you are inside the borders of

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the Umba, the nation, that danger is real. You can't.

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The majority of Muslims go to most only on Friday,

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just like Christians go on Sunday, but the difference is Christianity.

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It gives you a framework to deal with the word.

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Islam doesn't give you only a framework. Islam interferes with

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every single detail, with every single detail. So that is

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the difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christianity is

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a private faith. It is something that informs how you

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see the Word, of course, but it's most about spirituality,

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about salvation, about metaphysical reality. However, Islam interject itself into

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every single detail of your life, and it comes attached

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with violence. Your identity itself is connected to Islam. If

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I ask you, George, what are you? You might say,

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I'm American, I'm a man, I'm a father, I'm a Christian. Right,

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It's like christian comes number four. But if you ask

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a Muslim what are you, I'm a Muslim, that's number one.

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That what defines your identity. So that's why being none

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proud practicing Muslim doesn't equate not a practicing Christian. It's

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it's not like that not a practicing Muslim is still

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a Muslim. So I hope that makes sense.

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No, I understand what you're saying, But it also leads

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leads to this, like, how are we not supposed to

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fear the conquest that is inherent in a practice of

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phil on that how are we not supposed to fear

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those because here's the deal. If you're if you're born

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into a culture to where you're encapsulated and captured and

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you have no way out, and when you want to

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get out, you're in fear of dying, right, And so

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even if you come to the West, people still will

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label you as a Muslim, so you still can't get out,

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it seems so.

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And the list it's easier. People in the West wants

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to leave us them, they leave, They take advantage of

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the freedom here. But unfortunately Muslims in the West, they

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become more radical, more devout to Islam because now they

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are living beyond the behind the enemy lines, the enemies

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of all law, of course, and obedience to Islam becomes allegiance.

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Right, right, But now we're talking about someone who takes

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it from the extreme view, right, try to live live.

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No, no, no, it's not extreme view. This is like

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the view of all.

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It's just there's no such thing as extreme.

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living in a non Islamic land, then you are living

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behind the enemy lines. Yes, it's like I can look

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into the eyes of every single Muslim in the world

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who confessed Islam as his religion, and tell him this,

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a non Islamic land is an enemy land. You cannot

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say otherwise because it's it's engraved in your in your imagination,

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in your understanding of the word, that there is an

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Islamic plan and non Islamic plan. That's it.

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I get it, I do understand that. But the question still,

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how are we supposed to be accepting of these people

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looking for a better life if in the end there

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they all want death to the West. Apparently they all

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want to change the West. They all want to They

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all want to live under the banner of whence or

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from from hence they came, right, They want to continue

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that lifestyle no matter where they go. So what's the

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point of migrating for a better life if you're just

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going to go backwards once you capture that land, you're

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just going to revert back from whence you came.

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Yeah, that's where law and order comes into a place.

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All people want to don't want to stop on the

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red light. They want to keep driving, but they stop

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because there are consequences. It doesn't matter if a group

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of people wants to take over the word, as long

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as they don't have the means to do it. You

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have people who are Nazis in America. You have people

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who are still dreaming of the Confederacy and slavery. So

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they're not able to do it. Why because their ideology

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has been exposed and they don't have the means to

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enforce them. The same thing should be done to Muslims.

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Muslims are not going anywhere. You cannot get rid of them.

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They are people, they have rights, They are free to

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worship whatever they want, to believe whatever they want. But

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you need to make sure that this ideology is not

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rebranded as peaceful ideology because you will let it slip

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through the cracks and reshape your society. You need to

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you need to diagnosis. You need to say, oh, hold

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on a second, this is a dangerous ideology. If you

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don't say that, you are risking the future of the

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worstern civilization because you want to be tolerant.

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Yeah, I know, I understand.

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You just say the truth. Islam is a political ideology

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that has a religious aspect to it, and Islam wants

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to take over the word. And Muslims, because they identify

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with Islam, they don't have a choice whether they go

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with this vision or they leave Islam. And it's not

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easy to leave your religion. So, my dear Muslims, since

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your religion wants to take over the world, we're going

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to make sure that it doesn't.

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Right. But so so let me say something here, and

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I am I am not against anything you're say about it.

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I'm just trying to understand because it's it seems like

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it's it gets very fuzzy when we're trying to define.

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You know, how do we respect the person who wants

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to not live under the rule of Islam, you know

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what I mean? And those that know that they can't

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because they're stuck in it. Now, what you said earlier was, well,

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yes there are people. They have a right to do

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whatever they want, worship, et cetera. But it's not true

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of a Nazi. Once we know someone's a Nazi, it's over.

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We don't allow them to practice it if we know

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that they've find rhymes are done so out come. We

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can't apply that same principle to the people who practice Islam.

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Why are we not allowed to Nazis?

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They believe in that ideology and they live among others,

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no understood, but they don't practice it. Of course they

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don't practice it. The same thing. What I'm saying is

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Muslims cannot practice Islam in the West. What I mean

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by that, the Islam that entails taking over the world,

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which they call political Islam in the West, which I

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call Islam, should be categorized or recognized as a political ambition,

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political ideology and banned. You cannot you cannot preach about

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it in mosques. You cannot use the religion freedom a

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second Amendment, sorry, the first Amendment, freedom of speech and

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freedom for religion to preach about Jihand it's like you

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need to really dig deeper. You cannot take Islam as

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a monolothic entity. It's a religion. It's not a religion.

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We can divide. The private faith aspect of Islam allowed

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in the West, but everything else should be and should

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be recognized as a political ideology that you can believe in.

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But it cannot practice. As simple as that. It also

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comes down to this. I know that people sometimes when

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I say this, they think, oh, Dan, THEU radical. It's

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not going to happen, my dear friends. There is no

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other way. Whether you strip the religious label from Islam

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or Islam is going to take over your civilization. Period.

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There's no other way. If a Muslim wants to practice

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a prayer, fasting all the rituals, that is a private

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and personal and spiritual fine, that's religion. But everything else,

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everything else, that's trying to convert people through deception. That

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is another political strategy in Islam. It's like why Muslims

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are allowed to have wooths everywhere and Western cities, but

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Christians get killed in is them countries for preaching gospel.

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Why so, like you need to address this because you

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just you just.

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So let me point this way. Let me go back

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to what I was trying to say. Okay, the world

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over can absolutely justify that Nazi bad, but they will

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not say Islam bad. I guess that's what I was saying.

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I'm going to simplify what I was saying, but that's

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what I was trying to say, was that everyone could

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recognize someone who's who considers themselves a Nazi as bad

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right away. We don't want that person. But when it

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comes to Islam, everyone's afraid to identify it for what

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it really is. And if we and you know this,

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you're gonna you know a lot more to me. But

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if you look at the history. I mean literally, Mohammad

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not too long after he started gaining control, he wanted

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to expand his empire. It had nothing to do with

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with converting to a certain religion. He wanted to expand

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the empire, just like the Romans did, and he wanted

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to do more. He wanted to he wanted to go out.

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There was nine nine nine Muslim conquests, right, and then

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we can talk about the inquisitions and whatnot, but those

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were in response to the Muslim conquests, absolutely worse.

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An evidence, historical evidence. The Patriarch of Jerusalem sent the

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letter to the Patriarch of Antakia h during the cheet

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of Jerusalem Muslims, where the Muslim troops were about to

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enter Jerusalem, and that's where he said, the Arab gangs

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00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:47.239
are asking us to pay the jisia or they will

478
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:52.559
enter the city. The patriarch did not mention they are

479
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.159
asking us to convert to Islam. So this is an

480
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:02.119
evidence that it was a conquest of a political expansion.

481
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.039
It was, but of course it used religion in order

482
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:10.199
to expand. But going back to your point, it's like, yes,

483
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.599
the Nazi is a bad it's a bad person. But

484
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.840
you cannot say all Muslims are bad. No, not all Nazis.

485
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:22.920
Nazis are bad because you're born. If you're born into

486
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:31.280
a Nazi family, it's not necessary that you believe or

487
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.559
you want to practice it. So we say Nazism is bad,

488
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.320
not the people, because we don't know. Every person has

489
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:45.199
their own virgin, their own journey, their own understanding. We

490
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.920
don't attack people, we attack the ideology itself. I don't

491
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.519
care because you can't. You could be a Muslim, but

492
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:59.079
your world of view is shaped by different circumstances, different

493
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:00.000
You get the point.

494
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.559
It's like I cannot understand, but I can't.

495
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.639
I can't at all say that Muslims are bad or

496
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.039
Muslims wants to take over the world, or I never

497
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.519
I would say that. You would never hear me accuse

498
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:18.679
Muslims themselves. Just second place. I just said that the

499
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:24.639
ideology itself condition its followers to be afraid, to be

500
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:31.159
terrified of not obeying Allah if us two otherwise they

501
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:36.360
will be considered upper state. So the ideology is dangerous

502
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:41.480
and Muslims are the victims of this ideology. So I

503
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:45.760
would what do you want me to do? I can

504
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:51.800
vet immigrants, ideological vetting. I can do a lot of

505
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.840
things on the scirity level, but when it comes to

506
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.599
real life, we have two billions Muslims. I cannot say

507
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.239
that all of them are threats or because it's not practical,

508
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:10.800
I will I will be like, it's I don't know

509
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.760
what to say. You can't do that, it's just simply wrong.

510
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:20.559
But we can say Islam itself, the ideology is bad

511
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:27.400
and if we don't admit that, then we are risking51200:38:27.639 --> 00:38:31.679



our future, the future of our children. And we cannot51300:38:31.800 --> 00:38:38.039



let Muslims, by the way, enforce Islamophobia on the rest51400:38:38.079 --> 00:38:44.719



of the world and protecting Islam from scrutiny. There's no51500:38:45.039 --> 00:38:48.719



there's no such a thing as a xamophobia, some manufactured51600:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.880



term to protect the religion. Hatred toward a group of51700:38:53.920 --> 00:38:58.599



people is different than criticizing their religion. You can criticize51800:38:58.599 --> 00:39:03.719



the Christianity, Judaism. You can say whatever you want about51900:39:03.840 --> 00:39:08.199



Moses or Jesus or the Pole or nobody's gonna kill you.52000:39:09.400 --> 00:39:11.880



We want the same thing. We want to be able52100:39:12.320 --> 00:39:16.960



and to be free to criticize Mohammad, to criticize the Quran,52200:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.400



to tell the truth, our truth. What do we see52300:39:20.440 --> 00:39:27.960



to be truth about Islam. But Muslims as individuals, as people, absolutely,52400:39:29.280 --> 00:39:35.159



any hatred toward them just for the sake of hatred52500:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.480



itself or in cycling of violence is wrong must be condemned,52600:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.360



and we must never tolerate that. My mother is a52700:39:43.400 --> 00:39:49.760



still Muslim. But the ideology itself, there's you cannot protect52800:39:49.760 --> 00:39:53.519



the ideology because you don't want to be to seem racist,52900:39:54.360 --> 00:39:59.280



and Muslim Islam is not a race, so you cannot53000:39:59.360 --> 00:40:05.719



really be RACI against Islam. Connecting Islam to race to53100:40:06.079 --> 00:40:11.440



brown immigrants, suppressed group of people is a radical left53200:40:12.159 --> 00:40:19.320



product that was designed to advance their ideology of the53300:40:19.360 --> 00:40:27.000



oppressed oppressor, a view. So yeah, I think there is53400:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.280



a thin line between a Muslim and Islam, but we53500:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.599



should not cross that line. However, we shouldn't let Muslims53600:40:35.079 --> 00:40:41.880



prevent us from criticizing Islam. That fusion of Islam and53700:40:41.960 --> 00:40:49.159



Muslims must be oblerated. We cannot tolerat it. Otherwise Islam53800:40:49.599 --> 00:40:55.519



well infiltrate through Muslims without you realizing it. You need53900:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.519



to separate the ideology from the people and protect yourself54000:40:59.559 --> 00:40:59.920



from it.54100:41:01.039 --> 00:41:04.480



Yeah, So that's that's basically what I'm trying to get54200:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.760



at and I'm trying to ask. It's like, I don't54300:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.559



think anybody agree. Anybody's going to agree with attacking a54400:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.239



person just for existing, Okay. But on the other hand,54500:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.920



many people are defined by what they identify with or practice,54600:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.280



like a job. The problem with Islam is you can't54700:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.119



leave Islam like you leave a job. You don't punch54800:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.199



in eight to five or nine to five and then54900:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.280



go home and all of a sudden you're a different person. No,55000:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.760



You're defined as that person twenty four to seven. That's55100:41:34.800 --> 00:41:40.280



the problem. So how do we separate a bad ideology55200:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.840



from a person who's just trying to live again?55300:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.239



You just have laws in the land to protect you55400:41:49.400 --> 00:41:51.679



from whatever that ideology and things.55500:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.679



Similar what's going on in Italy and whatnot these other55600:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.679



European nations lately, where there's like, okay, now you can't55700:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.000



wear the headdress, you can you can't do certain things55800:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.320



anymore that are part of your religion. I mean, is55900:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.719



that is that a way forward and suppressing some of that.56000:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.960



I wouldn't prioritize the job or the nepob or the56100:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.199



hallal food. I don't care about that.56200:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.119



No, No, I was just using example, I will.56300:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.480



I will tell you what I care about. What I56400:42:22.519 --> 00:42:26.480



care about is after realizing that Islam is a political ideology,56500:42:28.599 --> 00:42:34.920



then I should see all the Islamic entities as a56600:42:35.039 --> 00:42:41.039



potential threat. So I have to monitor fundings to all56700:42:41.199 --> 00:42:48.719



Islamic charities, all Isamic profits. I have to assume that56800:42:50.199 --> 00:42:56.039



true Islam, which entails the political ideology, is being preached56900:42:56.320 --> 00:43:00.960



at mosques at schools. So the government, in order to57000:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.159



act within the framework of the law, needs to first57100:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.559



find a way to do this. It's like, it's like,57200:43:11.599 --> 00:43:16.719



because of the freedom religion, you cannot control the speech57300:43:17.239 --> 00:43:24.400



at mosques. Right, you cannot monitor all fundings to nonprofits.57400:43:24.480 --> 00:43:26.960



Is not nonprofits because you will be accused of a57500:43:27.039 --> 00:43:32.599



zomophobia and hatred and bigotry. But the law must be enforced, right,57600:43:32.960 --> 00:43:38.559



there must be a way to give the government the57700:43:38.599 --> 00:43:44.039



power to do that. Just imagine, for the sake of57800:43:44.159 --> 00:43:53.440



the argument, that Pablois turned his cake empire into a religion.57900:43:54.480 --> 00:43:59.199



I wrote about this one. And according to the United58000:43:59.239 --> 00:44:04.000



States laws, they are free to worship the God of powder,58100:44:05.360 --> 00:44:12.199



and they are able to recruit believers and to practice58200:44:12.239 --> 00:44:17.840



the religion of using the drug is the United States58300:44:17.920 --> 00:44:24.199



government going to let that happen. No, because even if58400:44:24.280 --> 00:44:32.519



Pabloskobar ended up with recognized religion, they will tell him, listen,58500:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.880



you can't worship the god of powder, but that powder58600:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.519



is illegal. So we are not going to let it.58700:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.760



We're not going to confuse it with the religious part58800:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.800



of your movement. We're going to seize it. We're going58900:44:52.880 --> 00:44:58.960



to punish people for using it or trading so the59000:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.880



same things. I'm sorry, I'm using radical examples, but that's59100:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.639



that reality we're dealing with jihad is.59200:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.679



But I don't think these are radical examples because then59300:45:08.840 --> 00:45:11.440



you keep bringing up, you know, freedom of religion, freedom59400:45:11.480 --> 00:45:14.880



of speech. But even within that framework, there is a59500:45:14.920 --> 00:45:18.800



way to suppress the spread of hate speech, right, and59600:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.000



we can consider most of what is being practiced in59700:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.519



the Quran as hate speech because anybody who is not59800:45:25.599 --> 00:45:29.679



considered a Muslim is considered what are they called an infidel?59900:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.039



Is that correct or what? And they must what convert60000:45:33.119 --> 00:45:38.119



or die? That's that's the message. So then what then60100:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.480



is that not a way forward in doing so? So60200:45:41.880 --> 00:45:44.199



what I'm seeing is the way the way it is60300:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.079



being spread into the West is because exactly like you're60400:45:47.199 --> 00:45:49.840



like you said, nobody wants to be called a racist60500:45:49.920 --> 00:45:54.599



and islamophobe. We all want to be accepting. But in60600:45:54.639 --> 00:45:57.639



my opinion, look, if cultures don't mix, that's just what60700:45:57.679 --> 00:46:02.840



it is. There's we don't all always have to meld together.60800:46:03.679 --> 00:46:05.880



We don't. I mean, how many Westerners are moving to60900:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.599



the Middle East to set up shop and start a61000:46:08.639 --> 00:46:09.199



new life.61100:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.039



Many are moving, many are moving to Dubai, right, exactly.61200:46:14.000 --> 00:46:19.960



Right, But it's not it's not the same. It's not61300:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.920



the same as what we're seeing on the other side61400:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.119



of it.61500:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.719



Absolutely, But I have to say this the United it61600:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.280



is being used by all Muslims around the world to61700:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.800



argue that you see Islam as capable of building a civilization.61800:46:36.480 --> 00:46:42.000



But that's not true because all everything Dubai you present61900:46:42.480 --> 00:46:49.559



as important, the laws, the values, economy.62000:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.719



Everything, everything about Dubai is all about money. Everything that62100:46:52.840 --> 00:46:53.599



is important.62200:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.679



That's the most important thing. That's all it is, system everything,62300:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.239



So you cannot claim it is as make anyway.62400:47:02.400 --> 00:47:06.840



It's It's the same reason China turned to capitalism. Yeah,62500:47:06.880 --> 00:47:10.039



you know, cour system was failing. That's exactly what Dubai62600:47:10.199 --> 00:47:11.840



is all it all it is, that's that whole thing62700:47:11.960 --> 00:47:13.079



was just an economic movement.62800:47:13.559 --> 00:47:19.599



So again, as the point clear, you need to differentiate62900:47:19.719 --> 00:47:28.280



between a private faith that doesn't have a social catastrophic63000:47:28.639 --> 00:47:33.239



consequences and hate speech or not only hit speech, but63100:47:33.360 --> 00:47:40.000



a political strategy, war strategy that targeting the West. You63200:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.760



cannot consider it to be part of that private faith.63300:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.679



You need to differentiate between the two. That's but the63400:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.440



problem is when they tried to differentiate, they ended up63500:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.400



with Islamism and Islam. They said, Islamism doesn't is not63600:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.360



connected to the sacred text of Islam. It's a political63700:47:56.519 --> 00:48:01.400



movement emerged in the mid twentieth century in the Middle East. Ah,63800:48:01.920 --> 00:48:08.760



that is disasters. Because no, we need to differentiate between63900:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.960



two outcomes of the same text, a political outcome of64000:48:15.119 --> 00:48:20.599



the same exact text of Islam and a spiritual ritual64100:48:21.639 --> 00:48:27.400



practices also the outcome of the same text. The political64200:48:27.559 --> 00:48:33.039



side is not separate. It is not It was not64300:48:33.760 --> 00:48:41.199



the result of Western imperialism. It was not the product64400:48:41.400 --> 00:48:48.719



of political movement that hijack the label Muslim or Islam. No,64500:48:48.920 --> 00:48:53.840



not true. It is the product of Islam itself, its64600:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.559



sacred text, the life and actions and sayings of Muhammad,64700:48:58.119 --> 00:49:02.239



and the historical the reality of Islam.64800:49:03.400 --> 00:49:05.639



Well, everything you're saying is a lot that I have64900:49:05.800 --> 00:49:09.760



been saying what you just said. By the way, I65000:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.199



get criticized, But the reality is I did a dive65100:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.480



into the history, like where where does this extreme terrorism65200:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.880



come from? Everybody always blames the US for it, and65300:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.960



it predates It goes all the way back to the65400:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.760



mid to late sixteen hundred CE. I don't even know65500:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.280



if pronounce this right, the Hotajiats, right or the hotiji65600:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.719



and they were the people that were known to practice65700:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.880



its extreme terrorism against their own people, other Muslims. They65800:49:34.880 --> 00:49:36.840



didn't care about the West back then, and they did65900:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.239



this all the way through about I think we're Yeah, well,66000:49:40.519 --> 00:49:42.000



like I said, I can't pronounce it.66100:49:42.280 --> 00:49:50.360



No is used by Muslims to exonerate Islam. They say,66200:49:50.880 --> 00:49:55.239



right invented Muhammad invented understood.66300:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.440



But what I was, what I was researching, was that66400:49:57.719 --> 00:50:02.280



the first acknowledgement of terrorism on record in history.66500:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.519



War They see them as a very and I don't66600:50:05.519 --> 00:50:05.719



know it.66700:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.480



Goes before that. But you know, it's it's crazy that66800:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.000



to think that everybody, everybody believes America created, it created66900:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.480



this terrorist like mind, it goes, it goes back over,67000:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.840



like you said, almost fourteen hundred years in.67100:50:21.119 --> 00:50:27.440



The sixties that left the radical left. They wanted to67200:50:27.519 --> 00:50:33.440



blame America for everything, especially with the war in Vietnam67300:50:34.400 --> 00:50:42.960



and the emergence of new ideological or a new a67400:50:43.039 --> 00:50:49.840



new school thought that is connected to postmodernism, relativism, and67500:50:50.800 --> 00:50:55.639



post colonialism. It's like America is an imperialist power system.67600:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.559



America got here to this greatness as a result of67700:51:00.639 --> 00:51:09.079



colonialism and imperialism and uh abuse of power. And when67800:51:09.280 --> 00:51:13.119



the when Communism died by the fall of the Wall67900:51:13.440 --> 00:51:19.480



of Berlin, they needed something else, a structure to lean68000:51:19.840 --> 00:51:25.119



against with their ideology. So they found Islam. So Islam68100:51:25.239 --> 00:51:35.440



actually is the alternative that the communist Lenianist found in68200:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.639



order not to give up their ideology. It's as simple68300:51:38.679 --> 00:51:42.599



as that, because Islam has the same characteristics of some68400:51:42.760 --> 00:51:47.960



of the character characteristics of communism. So they found an alternative,68500:51:48.199 --> 00:51:52.360



if alternative, and through Islam, they can't keep attacking the West.68600:51:52.679 --> 00:51:57.719



They can't keep attacking America capitalism. So they had to68700:51:57.880 --> 00:52:03.079



say in order to justify why zame terrorism or exeneratism68800:52:03.199 --> 00:52:09.840



from terrorism, to say it is a Western invention. It's68900:52:10.599 --> 00:52:15.519



America is responsible for creating America is responsible for ISAAS69000:52:16.599 --> 00:52:22.719



and this is UH a two folded win if I'm69100:52:22.760 --> 00:52:28.360



saying it correctly. They they get to blame the West,69200:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.960



which serves their agenda, and at the same time it69300:52:35.159 --> 00:52:41.559



UH empowered their alliance, alliance with Islam. So yeah, it69400:52:41.679 --> 00:52:48.119



goes You can read that. There's a book by David Howartz,69500:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.599



the founder of Howard's Freedom Center. It's called The Anholy Alliance.69600:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.039



You can read about all of this in that book.69700:52:56.320 --> 00:52:58.360



Yeah, I've heard about that book. I haven't read it,69800:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.199



but I've heard it about it. And a lot of69900:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.800



people don't realize that even Afghanistan at one point was70000:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.880



a communist nation. They were Iran was on Yeah, in70100:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.920



Iran too at a time was communists were going down70200:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.480



that road. So I guess a lot of people attribute70300:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.280



rorism to the US because of our involvement, but we're70400:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.079



the intent was to stop the spread of communism, not70500:53:21.159 --> 00:53:26.360



create terrorist organizations, so which is what we did not do.70600:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.320



I mean, terrorist organizations were already there. They just got70700:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.079



the backing and funding to expand and continue what they70800:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.239



wanted to do on a much larger scale. And as70900:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.400



you said, the West then became an enemy. It was71000:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.440



now the focus. It gave them a mission, right, a focus.71100:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.400



So and I have a lot of message to the71200:53:44.920 --> 00:53:49.119



isolationist who wants to America not to interfere anything.71300:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.559



What's your thoughts on that? I was wondering how you71400:53:51.599 --> 00:53:52.480



fel you came about that.71500:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.480



You can be You can't. You can't claim the word71600:53:56.639 --> 00:54:01.199



leadership and isolate yourself. It's ridiculous. If you want to yourself,71700:54:01.400 --> 00:54:05.199



just give up leadership. But with that, with with that,71800:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.320



give up prosperity and the best economy in the world.71900:54:09.519 --> 00:54:14.800



And it'sous. It's like you cannot reap the benefits of72000:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.840



being the most powerful nation in the history of humanity,72100:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.360



and at the same time you want to isolate yourself.72200:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.840



You know, we need to focus on America, that a council,72300:54:23.920 --> 00:54:28.400



You need to focus on our streets are smell like pest.72400:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.760



It doesn't matter. It's like you have to look at72500:54:33.400 --> 00:54:37.639



both internally and externally because you're the world leader.72600:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.199



Right, the US is still seen as a leader. But72700:54:40.559 --> 00:54:43.840



you know then you have other leaders that don't want72800:54:43.880 --> 00:54:45.440



the US to be the leader. They don't want them72900:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.280



to be in the leader or intervene. So it's like73000:54:49.480 --> 00:54:51.320



there's a price for not being a leader.73100:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.159



Right. But but what you're saying.73200:54:55.480 --> 00:54:56.800



On one side, I agree with what you're saying. I73300:54:56.880 --> 00:54:58.840



understand what you're saying. But on the end of the73400:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.880



world is trying to get away from the US being73500:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.360



the major power in the world right now, or at73600:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.599



least the lead as far as the paradynamic is concerned.73700:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.199



Which so I don't I don't believe the US should73800:55:12.199 --> 00:55:12.519



stop it.73900:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.400



I don't think I don't think it's gonna happen. I74000:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.800



don't think that at least at least not in the74100:55:17.880 --> 00:55:24.199



next century. I'll tell you why being the world leader.74200:55:24.320 --> 00:55:30.519



It is not about economy. It's not about China and74300:55:30.760 --> 00:55:37.719



its factories and uh, the labor numbers. It's about the74400:55:38.480 --> 00:55:43.599



architecture of your morality. It's about your values. It's about freedom.74500:55:44.239 --> 00:55:49.280



America is great because it has these values at the74600:55:49.519 --> 00:55:55.800



root of its identity. America became rich because it has74700:55:55.920 --> 00:56:01.639



these values. America became rich because it's great. It doesn't74800:56:01.719 --> 00:56:06.280



become great because it's rich. So people get it backward.74900:56:06.880 --> 00:56:09.800



It's like, you know, we are red, so we are75000:56:10.199 --> 00:56:14.119



leading the word. No, you're you're leading the word because75100:56:14.159 --> 00:56:18.400



they're great. You became rich out of that greatness. Are75200:56:18.519 --> 00:56:24.360



these values at risk? Yes? Are they abolished? No, we75300:56:24.440 --> 00:56:28.599



are still enjoying the freedom that no other nation on75400:56:28.719 --> 00:56:34.519



earth has. Just look at the UK, for example. It's75500:56:34.639 --> 00:56:39.119



a dictatorship. It's like if you tweet, if you post75600:56:39.199 --> 00:56:43.440



something on Facebook, you go to jail in China. Oh75700:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.960



my goodness, you cannot even compare that. It's like, listen,75800:56:48.039 --> 00:56:54.360



there are elements for greatness in China, it doesn't have75900:56:54.519 --> 00:56:59.639



any of these elements. Freedom is at the center of76000:57:00.159 --> 00:57:04.079



being a great leader, and America is still the land76100:57:04.119 --> 00:57:10.320



of the free. So my message to the isolation is like,76200:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.559



can don't even think about it. The moment you think76300:57:14.679 --> 00:57:22.440



you can isolate yourself, you are giving up your morality76400:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.400



or moral responsibility. And if you give up your moral responsibility,76500:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.360



you're giving up your values which made you great.76600:57:32.519 --> 00:57:39.239



Right, everything you said is true. Right, I agree with76700:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.159



everything you said. But the sentiment of isolationism by some people,76800:57:44.079 --> 00:57:45.960



if you're talking about people in the United States, by76900:57:46.000 --> 00:57:50.880



the way, is not so much not wanting to be77000:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.440



a free world or even offer freedom to people. The77100:57:54.559 --> 00:57:58.480



sentiment comes from those here that don't want to keep77200:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.320



spending our tax dollars funding wars, and that's what people77300:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.079



are concerned with. A lot of people are wondering, like,77400:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.400



why do we always have to get involved? Why can't77500:58:07.440 --> 00:58:11.559



you handle your own bullshit? Basically, why can't you handle77600:58:11.639 --> 00:58:14.079



your own fight that? And I'm not saying I agree77700:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.000



with that, I'm just I've just explained.77800:58:15.599 --> 00:58:17.480



To you what you're the big brother.77900:58:17.719 --> 00:58:18.800



Yeah, where that's coming from.78000:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.519



Yeah, but you're as the big brother, you have to78100:58:24.159 --> 00:58:29.400



be there, present, ready to be responsible, to lead, to78200:58:30.079 --> 00:58:34.360



provide wisdom and guidance and sometimes through strength. I will78300:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.400



give you an example, the catastrophe that we're witnessing today78400:58:38.440 --> 00:58:45.559



in Syria. I believe it is that natural outcome of78500:58:46.360 --> 00:58:54.599



that American Americans desire two indoors. Look what we have78600:58:54.800 --> 00:59:00.440



to do America. So it's okay if we takes down78700:59:01.360 --> 00:59:06.440



and this way we weaken Iran and we get trade78800:59:06.440 --> 00:59:12.280



of fast of all law supply line, and at the78900:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.760



same time we deliver Syria to this Jedic group. We79000:59:15.920 --> 00:59:20.000



can contain it. We can control it. This way, we79100:59:20.079 --> 00:59:25.960



don't have to, you know, prolong the war and we will,79200:59:26.360 --> 00:59:29.280



we will, we will contain it. It's manageable. So this79300:59:29.400 --> 00:59:32.360



way we are not spending money in the Middle East. Now,79400:59:32.519 --> 00:59:37.000



look what's happening. There is no such thing as shortcut79500:59:37.039 --> 00:59:43.360



to peace. That you had this regime in Syria, even79600:59:43.679 --> 00:59:50.920



as they are trying to gain international recognition, they couldn't79700:59:51.559 --> 00:59:55.880



behave themselves. It's like they couldn't for a few months79800:59:56.199 --> 01:00:00.880



until the word accept them. They massacred all whites and79901:00:00.960 --> 01:00:07.159



there today they're backing the Jews. Now, if America didn't80001:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.679



make decisions, decision and they kept an asset, because there's80101:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.119



no other way to rule Muslims, unfortunately in the Islamic word,80201:00:15.599 --> 01:00:21.119



except through the religious government or the dictatorship, there's no80301:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.960



other way. If you kept that assid you had to80401:00:24.039 --> 01:00:28.519



fight Iran. Well, maybe you had, you will have a80501:00:28.639 --> 01:00:31.760



longer war, but you will make sure that you had80601:00:31.800 --> 01:00:37.039



this are not ruling one of the most strategic important80701:00:37.519 --> 01:00:41.880



nations in the Middle East. So there's a price for80801:00:42.519 --> 01:00:43.559



trying to end the wars.80901:00:46.360 --> 01:00:46.679



Yeah, but.81001:00:48.880 --> 01:00:49.320



By okay.81101:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.719



So the argument is we need perpetual war to keep81201:00:53.199 --> 01:00:56.119



it from getting out of hand like before, to keep81301:00:56.199 --> 01:00:58.920



from becoming a bigger war. And at the same time,81401:00:59.000 --> 01:01:02.800



it's as if it's being said that you know, we81501:01:02.920 --> 01:01:05.719



can't afford for the for the for the US to81601:01:05.960 --> 01:01:13.119



not exist and get involved in everybody's everybody's America.81701:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.360



If the United States is going to keep doing that81801:01:16.280 --> 01:01:20.559



the same thing over and or over again, that is stupidity.81901:01:21.760 --> 01:01:27.719



They cannot expect different results, right, So what what is82001:01:27.760 --> 01:01:28.199



the solution?82101:01:28.360 --> 01:01:28.519



Then?82201:01:29.400 --> 01:01:33.320



Look at what happened in Afghanistan. America spent two point82301:01:33.800 --> 01:01:38.760



two point four trillion dollars, lost thousands of soldiers, and82401:01:40.639 --> 01:01:45.039



with the exit, the shameful exit that it's like the82501:01:45.199 --> 01:01:48.880



historical shameful exit of the of the United States from Afghanistan.82601:01:50.000 --> 01:01:53.559



No one is going to forget that. Ever, So what happened?82701:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.400



What went wrong there? I'll tell you what went wrong.82801:01:56.920 --> 01:02:03.960



America went to Afghanistan thinking of the same scenario of Japan, Germany,82901:02:04.199 --> 01:02:09.320



South Korea. You know, nations want to be built, nations83001:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.239



seek prosperity and freedom, and they will stretch their hand83101:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.920



to us and they will help let us help them rebuild.83201:02:17.800 --> 01:02:23.800



That misconception, that assumption that every single body in the83301:02:23.840 --> 01:02:28.800



world is similar and they think like us is disasters.83401:02:29.840 --> 01:02:34.599



They did not understand that the ideology in Afghanistan and83501:02:34.679 --> 01:02:39.320



the ideology in Iraq doesn't care for prosperity and rebuilding83601:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.920



in the future, it cares for something else, and that83701:02:43.159 --> 01:02:52.960



is destruction, death, expansionism. So they completely ignored the ideological reality,83801:02:53.280 --> 01:02:59.119



the theological reality of Afghanistan, and they ended up paying83901:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.519



two point fortrillion dollars, losing thousands of soldiers, and leaving84001:03:06.320 --> 01:03:11.639



behind them a more destructed country, a more destroyed country84101:03:11.719 --> 01:03:18.760



than the one they entered. So instead of American organizations84201:03:19.320 --> 01:03:25.880



funded by the government going to Cabal University teaching about transsexualism,84301:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.760



they should have done something else. They should have tried84401:03:30.880 --> 01:03:42.000



to dismantle the theological structure that shape the reality of84501:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.079



these people in order to focus on the future, not84601:03:45.280 --> 01:03:51.679



on death and war and struggle. So if America wants84701:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.960



to keep doing what America is doing now, or what84801:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.199



has America been doing for the past twenty thirty years,84901:03:58.719 --> 01:04:08.039



then yeah, I support that. Don't interfere position, why bother.85001:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.719



But America has to do it in a different way.85101:04:12.079 --> 01:04:17.039



It's like, instead of replacing the Wilaya project in the85201:04:17.079 --> 01:04:22.960



Middle East, the Wilaya is the Shia Iranian vision of governance,85301:04:23.679 --> 01:04:29.559



instead of replacing it with that Sunny Caliphate, you keep85401:04:30.039 --> 01:04:35.400



fighting the Sunny Caliphate and the shiaha and in both85501:04:35.440 --> 01:04:41.639



of them, but keep alternating between both only gives you85601:04:42.320 --> 01:04:46.599



a cease fire. That's it. You will keep ping ponging85701:04:46.719 --> 01:04:51.000



between fighting the Shiah and then fighting the Sun every85801:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.199



twenty years you have you're sick and tired of the85901:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.719



Sun jihadism. Let's go to the Shiah Wilaya project. You're86001:04:59.760 --> 01:05:03.079



set because them. It doesn't work that that way. You86101:05:03.239 --> 01:05:11.719



have to to identify that roots of this conflict, why86201:05:12.119 --> 01:05:17.639



this keep happening. You need to use your leverage, your86301:05:18.360 --> 01:05:23.000



power and economy and the strength of your economy to86401:05:23.239 --> 01:05:29.920



force Arab leaders and Islamic leaders to not to do86501:05:31.719 --> 01:05:38.519



reformation in education on their own. You need experts to86601:05:38.920 --> 01:05:43.320



reform that curriculums in the other world. You need to86701:05:43.679 --> 01:05:47.360



overhaul the religious speech in the other board. You need86801:05:47.480 --> 01:05:53.280



to weaken that ideologically grip of Islam in order to86901:05:53.519 --> 01:05:59.639



achieve a long lasting piece. But jumping between she and87001:06:00.079 --> 01:06:06.239



on the same terrorism, different things, different labels is going87101:06:06.320 --> 01:06:10.480



to waste your resources and you will never be able87201:06:10.519 --> 01:06:11.239



to achieve peace.87301:06:13.079 --> 01:06:15.480



Okay, So there's there's a lot. There's a lot to87401:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.559



unpack on what you said. So let's let's just get87501:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.519



back to Afghanistan first time. Wherever there was why who87601:06:20.599 --> 01:06:24.039



was our enemy in the beginning? Russia? Really communism. That87701:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.079



was the reason we even got involved. Now, there's a87801:06:27.119 --> 01:06:29.760



lot of conspiracy theorists that always say, well, no, there's87901:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.800



other nefarious reasons America ever got involved in the milities.88001:06:32.880 --> 01:06:37.360



It was to basically rob Steele and plunder all the resources.88101:06:37.480 --> 01:06:39.000



A lot of people argue that side of it, but88201:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.559



really realistically, we were there because we were trying to88301:06:41.559 --> 01:06:44.519



stop the spread of communism. Two thousand and one ish88401:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.800



we went back for what Okay, the war on terror?88501:06:48.800 --> 01:06:50.840



Right now, we can argue whether or not nine to88601:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.199



eleven was a hoax and it was done by our88701:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.519



own government. A lot of people believe that. Let the88801:06:55.719 --> 01:07:00.559



let the conspiracy theorists chase that rap, but the reality88901:07:00.719 --> 01:07:03.719



is the war on terror. Now what you're what you're89001:07:03.760 --> 01:07:09.440



saying is hear me out. Now we as a nation,89101:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.760



let's say, the reason we were there was to abolish Cherism,89201:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.199



abolish Teleman, abolish al Kadom. Right, we want to get89301:07:16.280 --> 01:07:20.719



rid of them. We wanted to, let's say, give freedom89401:07:20.760 --> 01:07:23.559



to the people who, from our point of view, did89501:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.880



not want to live under the rule of terror. Okay,89601:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.679



So now now, now we now we achieved abolishing that89701:07:29.840 --> 01:07:32.679



for as long as it did anyway, right, it wasn't forever,89801:07:33.039 --> 01:07:35.039



you know, it rose again. But let's just let's just89901:07:35.079 --> 01:07:38.719



stay on on what I'm going to say here. Yeah, okay.90001:07:38.880 --> 01:07:42.599



So now that that's gone and there's the opportunity for90101:07:42.679 --> 01:07:46.280



the people to finally step up and accept that they90201:07:46.360 --> 01:07:49.239



may even have an opportunity of freedom, they chose not90301:07:49.400 --> 01:07:52.480



to or were they still afraid to do so because90401:07:52.519 --> 01:07:55.000



they were still in fear of the remnants of what90501:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.480



might be left from these terrorist organizations. So what what90601:07:58.760 --> 01:08:02.199



what the problem we're and everything you're saying in the90701:08:02.239 --> 01:08:05.840



solution that that that you're proposing. I understand what you're saying,90801:08:05.880 --> 01:08:08.280



But it's almost like America has to go over there,90901:08:08.719 --> 01:08:12.920



take all the land over rule it, eradicate their way91001:08:13.000 --> 01:08:15.880



of thinking, and try to make them a different people.91101:08:16.960 --> 01:08:19.359



That's not going to happen. And when we're talking about91201:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.760



colonizers earlier, when we're talking about colonizers earlier, the biggest91301:08:22.800 --> 01:08:24.960



colonizers were never the United States, it was the British.91401:08:25.880 --> 01:08:27.560



They're the ones who went in and took over the91501:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.920



Middle East, yiares Ago and ran it. They ran out91601:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.600



of money and resources, and that is why the US91701:08:32.760 --> 01:08:34.600



was asked to step in and help the British. But91801:08:34.720 --> 01:08:37.560



that's what happened way back then. So what what is this?91901:08:37.800 --> 01:08:39.399



What is the solution? Afghanistan?92001:08:39.840 --> 01:08:40.520



Was? Was?92101:08:40.600 --> 01:08:43.880



It was a huge it was it was a big debacle. Right.92201:08:43.920 --> 01:08:46.680



The way we pulled out was stupid. It never should92301:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.159



have happened that way ever, And I'm not disagreeing with you.92401:08:49.640 --> 01:08:51.439



But what I'm hearing from you, and what I'm trying92501:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.079



to understand is how is it moral for us to92601:08:55.199 --> 01:08:58.199



go and take over a people and try it to92701:08:58.279 --> 01:09:00.199



convert them to become some with.92801:09:00.279 --> 01:09:04.920



That soggesting that at all, I'm just saying viitualizing American92901:09:05.039 --> 01:09:09.760



power in order to make a difference. For example, Egypt,93001:09:09.880 --> 01:09:14.319



I believe their US eight is sure, if it's one93101:09:14.479 --> 01:09:17.880



point seven billion or three billions something like that, I'm93201:09:17.920 --> 01:09:21.479



not sure. Anyway we can find out if the United93301:09:21.560 --> 01:09:26.359



States ask Egypt like, yeah, I want to give you93401:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.199



one point seven billion dollars or given them to you anyway,93501:09:29.319 --> 01:09:34.439



but can we talk about your curriculums and schools, what93601:09:34.600 --> 01:09:41.000



you're teaching your children. It's like it's a legitimate ask93701:09:42.520 --> 01:09:47.520



because you want to protect your international interest in national security.93801:09:47.680 --> 01:09:50.680



So you need to make sure that even in the Wahity,93901:09:50.720 --> 01:09:54.560



another iman in the Wahiti is not graduating from Egyptian schools.94001:09:55.279 --> 01:09:59.560



So does America do that? Absolutely enough. They don't care94101:09:59.600 --> 01:10:08.560



about that at all. They only care about integrating diversity.94201:10:08.920 --> 01:10:14.199



You're into the curriculums and talking about homosexuality and who94301:10:14.239 --> 01:10:14.760



cares about that?94401:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.239



True? But those things did come later. So what about94501:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.199



before all of that was was the movement? We were94601:10:20.239 --> 01:10:21.960



still giving money an aid to many countries in the94701:10:22.000 --> 01:10:25.000



Middle East, and I guess you know, based on what94801:10:25.039 --> 01:10:27.760



you're saying, as we weren't holding these countries accountables, like sure,94901:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.640



you want the money, you need the funding, but we95001:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.960



don't believe in the way that you're running things. We don't.95101:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.479



We don't believe and in the basis of what your95201:10:35.520 --> 01:10:39.800



culture is built on. That's I mean that that that95301:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.239



that is we're then on the danger of becoming an95401:10:43.279 --> 01:10:46.439



authoritarian government trying to take over the world. It's like95501:10:46.520 --> 01:10:47.199



imposing a.95601:10:47.199 --> 01:10:51.039



Lot of giving you money. Listen, I'm giving you money,95701:10:51.039 --> 01:10:52.760



a lot of money. And by the way, it's not95801:10:52.880 --> 01:10:55.359



only the one point seven billion dollars that the Egyptian95901:10:55.399 --> 01:10:58.439



government gives. I can't. I don't have the number. Now96001:10:58.520 --> 01:11:00.760



I'm going to research it them not here, but I96101:11:00.920 --> 01:11:06.159



believe it's tens or hundreds of billions of dollars every96201:11:06.239 --> 01:11:12.000



year that goes to Egypt and through the nonprofit organizations96301:11:12.119 --> 01:11:16.319



from the American money from American organization. Now America can96401:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.359



use that for the good of the people. It's not96501:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.640



being tyrannical authoritarian. That's not true. I just want to96601:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.359



make sure. Listen, my friend, I want to help you,96701:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.920



but please let me just take a look what's going96801:11:30.960 --> 01:11:38.720



on here. Okay, your second class, I'm sorry, you're the96901:11:38.800 --> 01:11:41.520



Book of Religion of the Yeah, the Book of Religion97001:11:41.600 --> 01:11:47.000



in the second year at school is teaching that the97101:11:47.079 --> 01:11:52.000



companion of Muhammed Abbaida beheaded his own father because he97201:11:52.159 --> 01:11:56.479



was an infidel. Can we just remove that? For God's sake.97301:11:56.680 --> 01:11:59.600



You cannot keep this and keep getting one hundred billion97401:11:59.640 --> 01:12:05.920



dollar year from me. So I'm not throwing some imaginary,97501:12:06.000 --> 01:12:12.319



imaginary impossible asks or requests. I'm not asking the United97601:12:12.359 --> 01:12:15.479



States government to be a territorian or colonialist. I'm just97701:12:15.680 --> 01:12:20.239



asking very simply, you need to recognize, Okay, the Islamic97801:12:20.359 --> 01:12:26.359



countries and the Isamic governments. They have to appease the97901:12:27.720 --> 01:12:34.560



fundamentals in their nations, and of course this is what happens.98001:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.640



I'm not making this up. If you have a president98101:12:38.880 --> 01:12:41.760



or a king in the other world. In order to98201:12:41.840 --> 01:12:47.840



prevent them Muslims who are fundamentalists, who are very religious,98301:12:48.279 --> 01:12:54.119



from interfering with politics, they give them authority over everything98401:12:54.560 --> 01:12:58.439



in the country except politics. So they ask them, don't98501:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.119



interfere with politics, but go and do whatever you want98601:13:01.199 --> 01:13:05.359



with the education. They deliver the education department to them98701:13:06.279 --> 01:13:10.399



and to their idelos. Now, can the United States of98801:13:10.399 --> 01:13:16.640



America do make a difference using its power, utilizing its resources. Absolutely.98901:13:17.560 --> 01:13:21.600



The fact that US is not doing it is because99001:13:23.000 --> 01:13:27.960



the US administration, one after the other, is surrounding themselves99101:13:28.039 --> 01:13:35.079



with idiots, with eggheads in academia who don't understand Islam99201:13:35.199 --> 01:13:41.640



at all, or who believe that Islam is the peaceful religion,99301:13:41.920 --> 01:13:46.760



but you know there are different interpretations, or leftists who99401:13:46.880 --> 01:13:50.800



believe Islam is them tourism is the result of imperialism,99501:13:51.439 --> 01:13:56.399



or Muslims who would never admit that Islam is a problem.99601:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.760



So I wrote an article about this. They said, the99701:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.479



councilors of collapse. I called them the counselors of collapse.99801:14:05.960 --> 01:14:09.359



They are the councilors who are not giving a true99901:14:09.720 --> 01:14:18.319



council to the lawmaker, and the result is wasted resources,100001:14:18.640 --> 01:14:24.159



trillions and trillions of dollars American lives. And we are100101:14:25.119 --> 01:14:28.640



we haven't moved even a step. We're still at the100201:14:28.720 --> 01:14:29.680



same square.100301:14:31.840 --> 01:14:33.720



So as far as as far as money goes, I100401:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.760



don't know the exactly amount in Egypt either, but I've100501:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.520



done a lot of research on that in previous episodes.100601:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.960



I can just tell you that if you combine territories100701:14:42.000 --> 01:14:44.319



and countries, we every year the US funds over two100801:14:44.399 --> 01:14:48.720



hundred and forty territories and countries combined period and the100901:14:48.840 --> 01:14:50.680



number I do know is, for example, like with Israel,101001:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.199



three point two billion every year regardless. Now, the argument101101:14:54.199 --> 01:14:55.800



has always been with some of these funds that a101201:14:55.840 --> 01:14:58.920



lot of that's supposed to come back to purchase military101301:14:59.159 --> 01:15:02.560



aid or supply et cetera, maybe even food. But it's101401:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.920



not just that minimum amount that we send every country.101501:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.600



There's always more to that. Like you said, so I101601:15:07.680 --> 01:15:10.880



get what you're saying. It's like you want, you want101701:15:10.920 --> 01:15:14.319



this support, but for US to support you traditional support101801:15:14.800 --> 01:15:16.960



this view. So you got to make an adjustment if101901:15:16.960 --> 01:15:18.439



you want to continue to get that money.102001:15:18.560 --> 01:15:18.680



Right.102101:15:19.319 --> 01:15:22.159



So, so I understand it, and it's it's not it's102201:15:22.239 --> 01:15:24.640



not a bad idea. I get your idea. But we're102301:15:24.680 --> 01:15:27.359



also on the it's it could. It's a slippery slope102401:15:27.359 --> 01:15:31.279



to where we can be on on a downward spiral102501:15:31.359 --> 01:15:36.199



of becoming that nation of you know, beyond superpower. Literally102601:15:36.640 --> 01:15:39.800



just always dangling the carrot over another country's head and saying,102701:15:39.800 --> 01:15:42.039



if you're not us, you have to do it. Help you.102801:15:42.760 --> 01:15:44.600



Sometimes you have to do it. Sometimes you have to102901:15:44.800 --> 01:15:46.000



realize that.103001:15:46.800 --> 01:15:50.199



So should every country be like the United States? What103101:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.880



do you mean in terms of how how the United103201:15:52.920 --> 01:15:56.399



States lives? It's uh, well, not even that in terms103301:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.720



of their freedom or democracy, et cetera. Is that what103401:15:59.800 --> 01:16:00.319



you believe?103501:16:01.199 --> 01:16:04.000



Okay, let me ask you this. Do you believe that103601:16:05.239 --> 01:16:06.760



freedom is making your life better?103701:16:08.119 --> 01:16:10.119



Of course it is. I mean that's not even a question.103801:16:10.520 --> 01:16:14.920



The question is, okay, is it a universal need? I103901:16:15.079 --> 01:16:20.520



believe it is. Okay, So you are not imposing your104001:16:20.600 --> 01:16:25.920



way on lot of life on others. You are delivering104101:16:27.159 --> 01:16:33.840



a gift. It's more important than food. Freedom is as104201:16:35.000 --> 01:16:39.000



necessary as the air We breathe. So if the United104301:16:39.039 --> 01:16:46.680



States is fighting to make people live freely, it is104401:16:47.119 --> 01:16:53.039



a moral obligation, as moral as helping people during a famine.104501:16:54.279 --> 01:16:58.000



So this is not in position of a life is time.104601:16:58.640 --> 01:17:02.640



That is a lie and people who repeat such things104701:17:02.760 --> 01:17:07.800



are liars. Do they want to enjoy the freedom that104801:17:08.279 --> 01:17:12.880



the US is offering them, the freedom which is the104901:17:13.000 --> 01:17:18.720



result of centuries of a struggle philosophical, ideological They enjoy it,105001:17:19.439 --> 01:17:21.720



but of course they want to keep it to themselves.105101:17:21.800 --> 01:17:23.960



They don't want to give it to other people because105201:17:24.079 --> 01:17:28.880



it would be a position that is ridiculous. It's like,105301:17:29.039 --> 01:17:33.319



if you see evil, you change that evil. And there105401:17:33.479 --> 01:17:38.000



is an universal definition of evil, and that is slavery105501:17:38.079 --> 01:17:41.159



of people. It's like when you when you're enslaved people,105601:17:41.720 --> 01:17:44.479



that is evil. Everybody agrees to that. It's not a105701:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.560



relative thing. People are not going to disagree on the105801:17:48.159 --> 01:17:57.199



definition of freedom. It's like, am I respecting your personal agency?105901:17:58.039 --> 01:18:00.239



Do you have the power to make your own own106001:18:00.640 --> 01:18:07.119



decisions and determine your future? If you're not, If you106101:18:07.199 --> 01:18:12.399



are being imprisoned for saying your opinion, if you are106201:18:12.680 --> 01:18:17.720



oppressed for writing a book or changing your religion or106301:18:18.479 --> 01:18:25.199



having certain views, then you're not afree, and that for106401:18:25.439 --> 01:18:30.239



me is as bad as being starving to death. So106501:18:30.960 --> 01:18:33.760



I completely disagree with this framing.106601:18:35.279 --> 01:18:41.279



You could disagree absolutely, but not with you. No, no, no, no. Look,106701:18:41.359 --> 01:18:43.680



this whole conversation is just turned into a very philosophical106801:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.760



conversation in general. I mean we're not we're not coming106901:18:46.800 --> 01:18:49.960



up with defined solutions because we can't impose the solutions107001:18:50.039 --> 01:18:51.960



right now. I mean we want to, but we can't.107101:18:52.279 --> 01:18:54.640



Freedom is a gift, agreed, But then it also goes107201:18:54.680 --> 01:18:57.199



back to the statement of how Muslims live in which107301:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.640



it's built on the foundation of a religion where freedom107401:18:59.720 --> 01:19:03.000



is not inherently part of their culture. So if we107501:19:03.079 --> 01:19:06.239



want to be philosophical, sure, let's let's inject freedom into107601:19:06.279 --> 01:19:08.720



your culture, which means what abolishing your culture and way107701:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.159



of life, you are no longer who you are. That's107801:19:12.239 --> 01:19:15.359



what I'm getting at now. It doesn't mean it doesn't107901:19:15.399 --> 01:19:17.680



mean that I don't agree with you. Everybody should live free.108001:19:18.039 --> 01:19:21.359



Everyone should live free, and everybody has a different culture,108101:19:21.399 --> 01:19:24.600



like we don't all see things and do things the108201:19:24.640 --> 01:19:27.479



same way, because it all comes down to geography. What108301:19:27.640 --> 01:19:30.359



you deal with defines who you are really what's around you.108401:19:30.920 --> 01:19:35.159



And I understand that. But when we're talking about example108501:19:35.199 --> 01:19:37.640



again going back to Islam, Islam, as as you had108601:19:37.680 --> 01:19:40.720



stated and as it is written, it is not a108701:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.840



basis of freedom. It's not built on freedom. It's based108801:19:44.880 --> 01:19:49.000



on it's based on subjugation. It's based on control. And108901:19:49.359 --> 01:19:53.000



if we wanted to change that, okay, And if you109001:19:53.039 --> 01:19:57.760



have a culture, for example, that is defined by that109101:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.920



religion and that is the basis for the culture itself,109201:20:01.720 --> 01:20:03.720



then you'd have to bolish the culture to move forward109301:20:03.760 --> 01:20:04.199



and be free.109401:20:06.640 --> 01:20:07.960



Uh. Not the people.109501:20:08.000 --> 01:20:10.000



I'm saying that, I'm not saying about people.109601:20:11.039 --> 01:20:15.800



Listen again to the moral obligation obligation thing. Somebody is109701:20:16.279 --> 01:20:19.680



starving to death and you have the power to feed them,109801:20:20.520 --> 01:20:23.680



then you don't care. You don't truly care about culture109901:20:23.680 --> 01:20:28.279



and culture relativism. You don't care about If somebody is110001:20:28.399 --> 01:20:30.920



trying to commit suicide, you jump and you help them.110101:20:31.119 --> 01:20:31.560



I agree.110201:20:32.359 --> 01:20:41.119



So when suicide and starvation to death becomes cultural difference,110301:20:42.760 --> 01:20:48.119



that is dangerous. It's not a cultural difference. It if110401:20:48.199 --> 01:20:55.520



somebody is attributing their suicidal way of life to religion,110501:20:56.039 --> 01:20:59.119



you don't let them do that. I can't imagine the110601:20:59.239 --> 01:21:10.000



US government interfearing and forcing the Jamestown people and arresting110701:21:10.039 --> 01:21:13.880



all of them before they killed themselves. It's like, it110801:21:14.000 --> 01:21:18.399



wasn't that a religion, So as as America, I gonna say, oh,110901:21:18.520 --> 01:21:20.720



we're not going to force the real fly from them.111001:21:21.239 --> 01:21:24.680



Right, Okay, I understand where you're trying to go with this,111101:21:24.840 --> 01:21:27.000



But the reality is it all leads back to what111201:21:27.079 --> 01:21:28.920



we're trying to say earlier, what you were alluding to,111301:21:29.039 --> 01:21:32.119



without putting too fine a point on it, for Muslims111401:21:32.119 --> 01:21:35.079



to move forward as a people is almost abolished.111501:21:37.319 --> 01:21:44.640



Unfortunately, that's the only way now abolished or recreated, recreated.111601:21:44.840 --> 01:21:48.399



It's like you can create another version.111701:21:49.159 --> 01:21:54.000



You know, updated this with the modern world. Basically, it's111801:21:54.119 --> 01:21:55.279



like you, we can't do it.111901:21:55.359 --> 01:22:00.720



I believe it's doable. What we need is UH enforcement112001:22:01.640 --> 01:22:10.119



and education system and a system that controlled the religious speech,112101:22:11.239 --> 01:22:15.960



and with that, with the globalization and social media today,112201:22:17.399 --> 01:22:22.199



I think this is what I call the mission of112301:22:22.359 --> 01:22:29.479



Project X, my organization, desanctifying the sacred, that the religion112401:22:29.600 --> 01:22:38.399



that keeps giving UH violence and hatred and aggression and slavery.112501:22:39.119 --> 01:22:47.399



So what do I mean by desanctifying. Desanctifying is I'm112601:22:47.439 --> 01:22:53.279



not afraid anymore of this, of criticizing this, of not112701:22:53.479 --> 01:22:57.079



believing this. I can identify as a Muslim, but I112801:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.119



don't truly care for what Mohammad did or didn't to112901:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.239



what he said, you know what I mean. It's like113001:23:02.479 --> 01:23:07.800



I need the zem Court to achieve this intellectual or113101:23:08.000 --> 01:23:13.199



mental state where I don't need to leave Islam in113201:23:13.399 --> 01:23:18.039



order to embrace universal values. How do I do that?113301:23:18.760 --> 01:23:22.560



These sanctify Islam in the mind of Muslims. I don't113401:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.640



want to do Islam. I don't want to abolish Islam completely,113501:23:25.840 --> 01:23:29.000



just de sanctify it. Okay, we already in the Quran113601:23:30.239 --> 01:23:34.439



Mohammad marriage is not in law. That's ridiculous. I'm not113701:23:34.520 --> 01:23:38.199



gonna defend Mohammed, but you know I'm a Muslim. That's113801:23:38.399 --> 01:23:39.960



that's I want Muslims to reach this.113901:23:40.680 --> 01:23:43.079



Uh, it's progressing as as a people, as a culture,114001:23:43.119 --> 01:23:43.720



really is what it is.114101:23:44.000 --> 01:23:48.039



How do you do that by ing the truth right Muslims,114201:23:48.199 --> 01:23:51.560



not by protecting Islam and by saying Islam is the114301:23:51.600 --> 01:23:55.079



religion of peace? Yeah, you don't do you don't You114401:23:55.159 --> 01:23:58.319



don't help Muslims. You are keeping them locked in.114501:23:59.079 --> 01:24:03.920



Yeah, I I everything you're saying, I understand, and look,114601:24:04.479 --> 01:24:06.680



this is a conversation I can aff for I think114701:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.880



two thousand hours or more easily. Let's let's let's talk114801:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.520



about your Project ACT because I did want to get114901:24:13.520 --> 01:24:15.399



to that you brought it up a little bit. Can115001:24:15.479 --> 01:24:18.680



you please explain what it's about and what you're doing115101:24:19.000 --> 01:24:22.760



to help educate people about Islam, because I know that115201:24:23.079 --> 01:24:24.239



I was going through it like you do. You have115301:24:24.359 --> 01:24:28.199



some videos, you you do a lot of articles and blogs,115401:24:29.199 --> 01:24:30.840



you write books, and you have a new one that115501:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.520



you're written that's coming out or you're working on. So115601:24:33.720 --> 01:24:36.000



can you please go go over Project acts a little115701:24:36.000 --> 01:24:36.920



bit more for us?115801:24:38.520 --> 01:24:45.199



Project adds is the result of the response I witnessed115901:24:45.479 --> 01:24:52.600



after October seven, the response in the West, the sympathizing116001:24:52.720 --> 01:24:59.119



with the tourists and that tack that tax from the116101:24:59.239 --> 01:25:03.920



one democratic state that is fighting a war on behalf116201:25:04.000 --> 01:25:09.960



of the rest of the free world. The misunderstanding of116301:25:10.119 --> 01:25:15.600



the nature of the conflict with Islam. It's a civilizational war.116401:25:16.319 --> 01:25:22.319



It is not resistance, it is not social justice. So116501:25:23.039 --> 01:25:29.640



Project X is simply an attempt to educate the West116601:25:29.720 --> 01:25:33.119



about the nature of the threat Islam poses to the116701:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.560



future of the Wiston civilization and at the same time116801:25:36.680 --> 01:25:41.479



to challenge Muslims to desanctify the sacred history, sacred text.116901:25:42.840 --> 01:25:51.479



We do that through producing knowledge, analysis, media production, and117001:25:53.479 --> 01:26:00.159



our end goal is also to influence the lawmaker in117101:26:00.399 --> 01:26:08.119



order to protect the Western values, because if Islam is117201:26:08.199 --> 01:26:14.760



given the power of legislation, you are jeopardizing the entire system.117301:26:15.039 --> 01:26:20.720



It's going to collapse. So Project ACCESS still at the beginning.117401:26:21.960 --> 01:26:28.520



I have received support from friends who believe in what117501:26:28.760 --> 01:26:33.840



Project X is doing. We have board members, we have117601:26:33.920 --> 01:26:36.479



a five h one ceed three, but we are still117701:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.720



at the beginning. We're trying to raise funds so that117801:26:38.920 --> 01:26:43.520



we can produce more content, do more advocacy and lobbying.117901:26:45.039 --> 01:26:47.119



And I believe this is going to be big because118001:26:50.840 --> 01:26:55.359



the way people are looking at this is shifting. For118101:26:55.479 --> 01:26:58.640



a certain period of time they were like, oh, yeah,118201:26:58.680 --> 01:27:01.840



it's somemophobia. You know, I don't want to get there.118301:27:02.319 --> 01:27:06.720



But now people are coming to realize, no, this is118401:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.880



real threat, This is real thing. We need we need118501:27:09.960 --> 01:27:14.600



to look. You need to stare in the eyes of118601:27:14.720 --> 01:27:18.600



the threat and tackle it. You cannot just keep ignoring it.118701:27:20.560 --> 01:27:24.399



So people can get to understand what I'm doing by118801:27:24.520 --> 01:27:34.159



reading my content on x Dan Burmoui and go to118901:27:34.279 --> 01:27:38.439



the to the ob site project dash e x dot org.119001:27:39.520 --> 01:27:44.399



They can subscribe to support the work or they can119101:27:44.520 --> 01:27:50.399



donate two project eggs and hopefully on October seven, my119201:27:50.600 --> 01:27:54.239



book is going to be released about Islam is real,119301:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.680



the conflict, the Western civilization, the future of the West,119401:27:58.199 --> 01:28:00.680



reformation in Islam, What to do, what not to do?119501:28:02.720 --> 01:28:05.199



It will be like it will give people an idea119601:28:05.199 --> 01:28:08.479



about what we're doing. But I think it's going to119701:28:08.560 --> 01:28:11.920



be something big in the future because, as I said,119801:28:13.079 --> 01:28:15.800



the threat is growing and people are waking up.119901:28:16.279 --> 01:28:21.159



How is your organization right now given this, because you're120001:28:21.319 --> 01:28:24.760



still in the building stages, right, How are you reaching120101:28:24.800 --> 01:28:27.119



people right now? How is your message getting to the120201:28:27.199 --> 01:28:30.920



people at the moment? What avenues are you taking to120301:28:31.039 --> 01:28:33.159



get in front of people? And are are you doing120401:28:33.239 --> 01:28:35.439



speeches and speaking events? You know?120501:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.479



Are you talking about yeah, yeah, some speeches, interviews, podcasts120601:28:39.600 --> 01:28:43.239



like this one. Mainly I write, I try to comment,120701:28:43.359 --> 01:28:47.880



I provide. I provide commentary on a world event that's120801:28:47.920 --> 01:28:51.399



connected to Islam to the West. I try to provide120901:28:51.439 --> 01:28:57.720



commentary whenever there's something misunderstood or people don't connect the dots,121001:28:59.000 --> 01:29:08.399



and there's reception was phenomenal. In almost six months, we121101:29:08.560 --> 01:29:13.520



got more than seventy millions of views for our content121201:29:14.479 --> 01:29:22.039



and sixty thousand followers on x alone, and people are121301:29:22.079 --> 01:29:28.439



resonating with the content and with the fresh perspective and121401:29:28.520 --> 01:29:33.279



the unique analysis that project that is providing.121501:29:34.159 --> 01:29:38.479



How many of those supporters do you think are people121601:29:38.600 --> 01:29:40.920



who are labeled as Muslim themselves?121701:29:44.279 --> 01:29:44.720



Supporter?121801:29:45.680 --> 01:29:49.279



Yeah, supporting what you're doing, because we spoke earlier, and121901:29:49.560 --> 01:29:53.079



you know there's people that don't necessarily align with it,122001:29:53.159 --> 01:29:55.119



but they're born into it, and you know they're just122101:29:55.159 --> 01:29:57.479



stuck in that cycle. Do you think you're getting any122201:29:57.520 --> 01:29:58.680



support from those type of thing?122301:29:59.000 --> 01:30:01.199



I believe I at support. I get a lot of122401:30:01.239 --> 01:30:08.079



support from x Muslims or I get messages. I actually122501:30:08.159 --> 01:30:12.279



have a lot of these private messages from Muslims who122601:30:13.439 --> 01:30:17.079



still identify as Muslim, but they're not a Muslims. So122701:30:17.600 --> 01:30:22.640



I wouldn't I doubt that I have support from Muslims122801:30:22.680 --> 01:30:25.159



because as I say the Dame, there's.122901:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.960



Yeah, I guess I meant extra people who were not123001:30:28.199 --> 01:30:28.720



wanting to.123101:30:28.720 --> 01:30:32.239



Be You can't you can't identify as a Muslim and123201:30:33.119 --> 01:30:36.199



tunnel rate or entertain criticism.123301:30:36.640 --> 01:30:39.000



I understand, I understand you said that earlier. What I was,123401:30:39.159 --> 01:30:41.399



what I was getting at, is a person who we123501:30:41.600 --> 01:30:44.239



call a Muslim, right like I'm a Westerner, look at123601:30:44.279 --> 01:30:45.239



you and I say you're a Muslim.123701:30:45.560 --> 01:30:48.840



It doesn't mean that persons, at least ten percent of123801:30:49.439 --> 01:30:55.520



my supporters, my followers are Muslims who will no more123901:30:55.840 --> 01:31:01.760



cusa as their religion or what informs their word view.124001:31:03.600 --> 01:31:07.520



I mean, that's that's that's good, honestly, for everything is124101:31:07.720 --> 01:31:08.600



going to do to educate.124201:31:09.039 --> 01:31:12.600



Millions of Muslims are leaving Islam every year, trust me, millions.124301:31:13.199 --> 01:31:16.000



I'm not exaggerating. I have been involved.124401:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.359



I've heard that being said. I don't know the real numbers,124501:31:19.399 --> 01:31:23.920



but I mean that's that's hand. Yeah, that is that124601:31:24.039 --> 01:31:27.920



a result of just people realizing that, you know, they're124701:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.680



being stuck in the past and under an authoritarian way124801:31:30.720 --> 01:31:31.079



of life.124901:31:32.680 --> 01:31:35.119



The Internet, the Internet has given them.125001:31:35.039 --> 01:31:37.159



A chance to well right. It opened them up to125101:31:37.399 --> 01:31:38.479



the modern worlds.125201:31:38.560 --> 01:31:44.880



To see different narratives. Evangelism, the church assumed a lot125301:31:44.920 --> 01:31:48.479



of work and there's some word. I have been involved125401:31:48.560 --> 01:31:52.800



in Christian ministry for fifteen years. I have seen thousands125501:31:52.800 --> 01:31:59.520



and thousands leaving Islam. But the problem is for creation125601:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.079



like birth rates.125701:32:02.279 --> 01:32:04.880



I literally just talked about that with my the guest125801:32:04.920 --> 01:32:08.039



I just had literally yesterday. We just talked about this.125901:32:08.960 --> 01:32:10.520



Why why don't you go ahead and elaborate on that.126001:32:15.560 --> 01:32:18.680



In the West, when you plan to have a child,126101:32:20.319 --> 01:32:26.600



you plan for their future. You calculate how much is126201:32:26.640 --> 01:32:30.479



it going to cost you and your partner, and you126301:32:30.680 --> 01:32:35.119



end up with one or two, except if you're wealthy126401:32:35.880 --> 01:32:39.840



or middle class American conservative who cares about big families.126501:32:40.279 --> 01:32:44.279



But in general in Europe, in the West, we have126601:32:44.640 --> 01:32:51.399



the numbers are crazy down. In order to sustain the numbers,126701:32:53.319 --> 01:33:00.680



the rate of birth or the birth rate, and the126801:33:00.720 --> 01:33:05.000



West should be two point eight. What we have to126901:33:05.079 --> 01:33:09.720



do is two point one or two point two. The127001:33:09.800 --> 01:33:15.439



Islamic country, it's different. Some Islamic countries are being affected127101:33:15.600 --> 01:33:25.720



by again the globalizations life demands, but they don't think127201:33:25.880 --> 01:33:31.600



the same way the Westerners do. So they look at127301:33:31.680 --> 01:33:34.800



it as a blessing from the Lord, of course, just127401:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.560



like today Christians look at it. But God is going127501:33:38.640 --> 01:33:43.600



to provide so and it's a commandment by from the127601:33:43.680 --> 01:33:48.600



prophet Muhammad failed the earth because I want to boost127701:33:48.840 --> 01:33:53.159



in you on the day of in the in the127801:33:53.239 --> 01:33:59.399



latter they but in Somalia the birth rate is six127901:33:59.479 --> 01:34:04.760



point nine. In other zomic countries, I can I wrote128001:34:05.359 --> 01:34:08.600



a piece about this, four point five, five point two,128101:34:08.800 --> 01:34:12.520



crazy numbers. But what is scary is when you look128201:34:12.560 --> 01:34:16.159



at the birth rate in Europe and you compare the128301:34:16.359 --> 01:34:23.439



indigenous people and Muslim immigrants, you see the trend and128401:34:23.520 --> 01:34:26.159



the pattern and what's going to happen in the next128501:34:26.479 --> 01:34:31.000



ten to twenty thirty years from now. It's very predictable,128601:34:31.359 --> 01:34:35.119



very easy to predict, very clear. You don't really have128701:34:35.319 --> 01:34:41.720



to be smart to realize that Europe is lost beyond redemption,128801:34:42.079 --> 01:34:45.920



there's no way to get your back. But there's still128901:34:45.960 --> 01:34:49.760



hope for then as States of America, and that's why129001:34:50.199 --> 01:34:55.119



I'm genuinely concerned about the future of those civilization.129101:34:56.479 --> 01:35:01.399



So yeah, it's a great replacement, just I mean just129201:35:01.479 --> 01:35:06.880



through pro creation. Really, before we and I want to129301:35:06.920 --> 01:35:08.279



talk a little bit more, but I want to get129401:35:08.319 --> 01:35:15.720



your thoughts on Palestine, Israel and the history thereof a129501:35:15.800 --> 01:35:20.640



lot of people. A lot of people think that Palestine129601:35:20.720 --> 01:35:24.000



was always a nation, and it was always a region129701:35:24.840 --> 01:35:27.920



that referred to many different tribes and people within a129801:35:28.000 --> 01:35:32.239



certain area. But there's a lot of revisionist history going129901:35:32.319 --> 01:35:35.319



on and people cherry picking, you know, photos and articles130001:35:35.359 --> 01:35:39.479



and throughout the timeline to try to justify what Palestine130101:35:39.520 --> 01:35:43.199



really is now. October seventh even brought that up quite130201:35:43.239 --> 01:35:45.840



a bit already multiple times. We didn't really get too130301:35:45.880 --> 01:35:49.560



deep into it. So to me, it's important, and I130401:35:49.640 --> 01:35:51.760



talked to other people that are in the Intel community,130501:35:51.800 --> 01:35:54.840



so I get other information about what's going on and130601:35:54.920 --> 01:35:58.159



how this is. You know, what's happening there. But the130701:35:58.279 --> 01:36:01.840



reality is the war started with Hamas. It was a130801:36:01.960 --> 01:36:05.119



terrorist organization that has control of a people. The problem130901:36:05.159 --> 01:36:08.199



with the area of Gaza is everyone is captured. They131001:36:08.279 --> 01:36:12.000



really can't leave. So can you give a little more131101:36:12.039 --> 01:36:15.479



insight from your perspective, someone who really has a lot131201:36:15.520 --> 01:36:18.199



more knowledge of the region than I do, as to131301:36:18.399 --> 01:36:20.479



what is really happening there and who is to blame131401:36:20.520 --> 01:36:25.560



because everyone is anti Semitic, anti Israel right now, Israel131501:36:25.640 --> 01:36:29.960



starving everybody, killing the children, bombing indiscriminately, and I just131601:36:30.000 --> 01:36:31.520



want to get your point of view on the situation.131701:36:33.920 --> 01:36:40.840



As a Jordanian an Arab former Muslim, I can tell131801:36:40.880 --> 01:36:48.159



you that Israel has been fighting a defensive war since131901:36:48.359 --> 01:36:54.439



the creation of the state of Israel. Palestine was manufactured132001:36:56.640 --> 01:37:02.520



in order to serve the ambitions of Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood.132101:37:03.039 --> 01:37:09.159



They wanted to combat the cultural impact of the British132201:37:09.199 --> 01:37:12.840



and the French mandate in the region. They didn't like132301:37:13.199 --> 01:37:18.520



the modernity that the British broke to the region, so132401:37:20.359 --> 01:37:25.880



they had to come up with a cause to clock132501:37:26.039 --> 01:37:35.840



their ambition without threatening the newly introduced nation state that132601:37:36.880 --> 01:37:39.720



has already formed in the region. So they didn't want132701:37:39.800 --> 01:37:43.600



to challenge the new states or to be seen as132801:37:43.640 --> 01:37:47.079



a threat, but at the same time called for the132901:37:47.359 --> 01:37:52.560



re establishment of that caliphate. To understand that Arab Israeli conflict,133001:37:53.399 --> 01:37:56.960



you need to understand that in nineteen twenty four, for133101:37:57.119 --> 01:38:03.039



the first time in Islamic history, found themselves without a caliphate,133201:38:03.560 --> 01:38:07.920



without an Islamic Empire, and with the introduction of the133301:38:08.600 --> 01:38:14.760



nation state concept to the region, the Islamic Empire was fragmented.133401:38:15.880 --> 01:38:20.359



And this was a theological rupture. It was not only133501:38:20.560 --> 01:38:30.079



a political project. It has consequences, and those consequences is133601:38:31.399 --> 01:38:38.960



the erasure of the rule of Allah from earth. The133701:38:39.079 --> 01:38:42.039



Islamic states represent the rule of full law and if133801:38:42.079 --> 01:38:46.319



we don't have Islamic states, we don't have Allah, it's133901:38:46.359 --> 01:38:51.319



not there. So what happens that by the end of134001:38:51.479 --> 01:38:55.479



the nineteenth century, the Ottoman Empire, which is the Islamic Caliphate,134101:38:55.760 --> 01:39:00.399



was weakened by Europe by different elements external and journal134201:39:02.000 --> 01:39:07.239



and Arabs who also were persecuted by the Ottomans. They134301:39:07.279 --> 01:39:13.439



were neglected so that the Ottomans were not representing the134401:39:13.520 --> 01:39:17.960



true Caliphate, the true Islamic Caliphate. So Sharifa sen Benali134501:39:18.279 --> 01:39:22.039



of Mecca, he is the descendant of Prophet Muhammad. He134601:39:22.439 --> 01:39:28.840



conspired with other entities in order to relocate the Caliphate,134701:39:29.800 --> 01:39:33.359



not to destroy the Calivate. They wanted to relocate it,134801:39:33.640 --> 01:39:37.840



that's it. They wanted it to remain Islamic. Just changed134901:39:38.119 --> 01:39:43.640



the center from Istanbul to Mecca. And based on that135001:39:44.079 --> 01:39:47.920



they had the agreement with the British so that the135101:39:48.000 --> 01:39:51.640



Arabs would fight alongside the British against the Ottomans, but135201:39:51.800 --> 01:39:56.319



in return they would get their state, their caliphate. The135301:39:56.439 --> 01:40:01.399



British betrayed the Arabs, they fragmented the calend fate, they135401:40:01.520 --> 01:40:07.800



introduced the national state concept was that colonial conspiracy. No,135501:40:08.640 --> 01:40:14.640



it was the natural trajectory of history, the word was135601:40:14.760 --> 01:40:18.760



moving forward from empires in.135701:40:19.279 --> 01:40:21.159



Nations, spres and tribes to nations.135801:40:22.079 --> 01:40:27.039



So the British were not plotting against Islam or against135901:40:27.079 --> 01:40:31.800



the Arabs. They just realized that decentralization of authority and136001:40:31.960 --> 01:40:34.720



power is the way to go forward. And that's what136101:40:34.880 --> 01:40:39.760



happened in Europe after that Wastphilia Treaty and the creation136201:40:39.880 --> 01:40:44.479



of the national states in Europe, every single empire was divided.136301:40:44.640 --> 01:40:52.880



So from an Islamic perspective, that was not a progress.136401:40:53.359 --> 01:41:02.960



That was a war against the faith, against religion. So instantly,136501:41:04.600 --> 01:41:08.159



and the Zami movement formed that was called the Moslim136601:41:08.159 --> 01:41:13.119



Brotherhood in nineteen twenty eight as a response to that136701:41:14.239 --> 01:41:21.960



and called to re establish the caliphate. Was everywhere Muslims136801:41:22.000 --> 01:41:27.960



couldn't imagine their sales without caliphate. Now, the region that136901:41:28.880 --> 01:41:32.319



where we have today Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, in Israel,137001:41:34.439 --> 01:41:39.359



it was part of the Islamic Empire for thirteenth centuries.137101:41:40.079 --> 01:41:45.119



Never ever, there was during the Islamic history a nation state.137201:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.920



There was no nation of state. It was like all137301:41:49.720 --> 01:41:54.000



just part of the Caliphate. There was never a state137401:41:54.079 --> 01:41:58.680



called Palestine at all. There was never called a state137501:41:58.760 --> 01:42:06.880



called Jordan. It just names for geographical spots. Syria, Lebanon.137601:42:07.479 --> 01:42:11.119



It's the name of a geographical place. It doesn't represent137701:42:11.239 --> 01:42:16.399



the state, a nation, ethnicity, nothing. What happened is when137801:42:16.399 --> 01:42:21.079



the British introduced the nation state concept, Lebanon formed as137901:42:21.119 --> 01:42:24.640



a nation state. Christians in Lebanon worked with the French138001:42:24.840 --> 01:42:32.439



with General Guru and they had a state Syrian Syrians.138101:42:33.119 --> 01:42:38.479



They the French wanted to divide Syria into five different states,138201:42:40.159 --> 01:42:44.600



but the different Syrian movements they united and eventually we138301:42:44.760 --> 01:42:49.840



ended up with one nation. It's called Syria. The Iraq138401:42:51.319 --> 01:42:54.520



the Iraqi people did the same with the British. Jordan138501:42:55.239 --> 01:42:58.279



it was giving to the son of Sefersen was betrayed138601:42:58.359 --> 01:43:05.560



by the British and Jordan became a nation and Israel138701:43:06.399 --> 01:43:09.239



where the Jews were living because the Jews in nineteen138801:43:09.359 --> 01:43:12.399



or nine, forty years before the creation of the State138901:43:12.479 --> 01:43:17.079



of Israel, they built Tel Aviv city, for example, they139001:43:17.159 --> 01:43:22.479



had institutions, they built schools. They the lie that they139101:43:23.319 --> 01:43:26.039



migrated to the land after the Holocaust or during the139201:43:26.079 --> 01:43:27.760



Holocaust running away from persecution.139301:43:28.399 --> 01:43:29.640



Yeah, they were always part of that area.139401:43:30.239 --> 01:43:33.319



They were running away from Pope Ancient tribal people, but139501:43:33.600 --> 01:43:36.920



that it doesn't mean anything, because at the end of139601:43:36.960 --> 01:43:40.800



the day, Christians in Lebanon ended up with the state.139701:43:41.319 --> 01:43:44.159



The Jews in Israel ended up with the states, and139801:43:44.279 --> 01:43:47.079



they vote for their independence against the British, the same139901:43:47.159 --> 01:43:51.039



way that the Venice vote against the French. So every140001:43:51.239 --> 01:43:54.880



other country was allowed to have a state except Israel,140101:43:55.760 --> 01:43:59.840



except the Jewish people. Anyway, there was no Pedestina at all.140201:44:00.039 --> 01:44:05.279



Palestine was the name of that geographical place, and everybody140301:44:05.560 --> 01:44:12.159



inside that region was called Palestinian. The Jews were called Palestinian.140401:44:12.199 --> 01:44:15.840



We have Palestinian posts. It became Jerusalem Post. Later the140501:44:15.920 --> 01:44:22.840



Palestinian Airway, Yeah, the Palestinian Flight Company or something like that.140601:44:23.279 --> 01:44:28.880



It's a Jewish it was founded by the Jews. Palestinian schools,140701:44:29.119 --> 01:44:33.960



they were established by Jews. So when you read on140801:44:34.119 --> 01:44:37.119



the coin the word Palestine and they use it and say,140901:44:37.479 --> 01:44:41.800



you see Palestine was there. The British did that because141001:44:41.880 --> 01:44:45.439



it's a it's a colonial name. It was used by141101:44:45.520 --> 01:44:50.079



the Romans, or it was the Romans give it that name,141201:44:50.520 --> 01:44:54.960



but the British just used that name. But it doesn't141301:44:55.760 --> 01:45:00.119



it didn't mean anything. There was no Palestinian president. There141401:45:00.279 --> 01:45:06.439



was no Palestinian. There, there was no nation state in141501:45:06.520 --> 01:45:10.720



the regions. To claim that there was a state is ridiculous.141601:45:12.159 --> 01:45:15.079



Why do people not want to accept this history because141701:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.560



I went down this rabbit hole and a lot of141801:45:17.600 --> 01:45:20.119



everything you said, I I have researched and read myself141901:45:20.279 --> 01:45:22.640



and somebody had to dig for Because again there's a142001:45:22.680 --> 01:45:24.199



lot of revision's history out there right now.142101:45:25.640 --> 01:45:28.840



And in the case of the Arabs also migrate to142201:45:28.920 --> 01:45:32.920



the Jewish areas. Actually there are different reports. Actually there's142301:45:32.960 --> 01:45:35.960



a chapter about this conflict in my book where I142401:45:36.279 --> 01:45:39.479



explain all of this. Arabs migrate to the Jewish areas142501:45:39.520 --> 01:45:45.039



because of prosperity that they brought with them from Europe. Agriculture, development,142601:45:46.039 --> 01:45:52.079



wages were higher in the Jewish areas. The whole Palestinian142701:45:52.479 --> 01:46:01.119



identity was hijacked, manufactured and hijacked by Arabs because there142801:46:01.279 --> 01:46:09.920



was no way to claim the land without having some142901:46:10.279 --> 01:46:15.880



roots and the roots and actually there's a confusion. There143001:46:15.880 --> 01:46:17.840



are confused at the times, like we are the Cannonites,143101:46:18.119 --> 01:46:22.720



we are the Jews who lived here and converted to Uslam.143201:46:23.720 --> 01:46:29.520



They keep trying to manufacture this identity. But anyway, I143301:46:29.640 --> 01:46:36.039



want people to go look up the Arab Federation nineteen143401:46:36.159 --> 01:46:40.399



fifty eight flag. In nineteen fifty eight, Jordan and Iraq143501:46:40.479 --> 01:46:46.239



they joined together and a union, and they had a143601:46:46.319 --> 01:46:50.760



flag for that union. It is the Palaestinian flag. But143701:46:50.920 --> 01:46:54.279



that union didn't last for except a few months, and143801:46:54.399 --> 01:46:57.199



then it was dismantled, and the Palestinians picked up the143901:46:57.279 --> 01:46:59.640



same flag and they use it and they say this144001:46:59.680 --> 01:47:04.079



is the standing of life. It's ridiculous anyway. Anyway, Yeah,144101:47:04.159 --> 01:47:07.159



there were Arabs living in the land, I'm not denying that,144201:47:08.039 --> 01:47:16.560



but that doesn't constitute a state there. It's like a144301:47:16.640 --> 01:47:20.119



group of people were living in that land. And that144401:47:20.880 --> 01:47:26.760



Israeli independence declaration, if you read it today, it still144501:47:26.880 --> 01:47:31.600



has these words, we invite Arabs to come and coexist144601:47:31.680 --> 01:47:35.479



with us and build this nation together. It's written in144701:47:35.560 --> 01:47:40.680



the Declaration of Independence. But the following day after this declaration,144801:47:41.159 --> 01:47:45.560



five Arab countries attacked Israel nineteen four eight after rejecting144901:47:45.640 --> 01:47:51.239



that United Nations proposals.145001:47:51.520 --> 01:47:55.039



So what's the what is the what is the why145101:47:55.119 --> 01:47:59.039



is there such a hate for the nation of Israel? Okay,145201:47:59.800 --> 01:48:02.880



that's one question. The other one is what do you145301:48:02.960 --> 01:48:08.680



say to those who blame everything on the Zionists. Okay,145401:48:09.199 --> 01:48:11.720



many people believe that everything that's going on right now145501:48:11.920 --> 01:48:16.479



with Gaza Palestine is because seventy some odd years ago145601:48:16.600 --> 01:48:19.920



or whatever that these Jewish people who weren't even in145701:48:20.000 --> 01:48:22.840



the region, were in Europe came over to displace people145801:48:22.880 --> 01:48:26.680



and kick them out their homes. It's it's a skewed145901:48:26.760 --> 01:48:30.000



view of the actual history of what really happened. But146001:48:30.399 --> 01:48:32.199



you know, as someone who's not from the area, and146101:48:32.319 --> 01:48:34.640



when I try to talk about these things, I get146201:48:34.680 --> 01:48:36.760



dismissed or people tell me that I don't understand what146301:48:36.800 --> 01:48:39.359



I'm talking about. Even though you can research and read146401:48:39.479 --> 01:48:41.479



everything you could. You could you could read what led146501:48:41.520 --> 01:48:43.720



to it. You could read how the Ottoman Empire and146601:48:43.920 --> 01:48:46.640



the people who consider themselves Palestina today actually sided with146701:48:46.680 --> 01:48:49.159



the Ottoman Empire to help get rid of the Jewish146801:48:49.159 --> 01:48:51.079



people from the land and expel them so that they146901:48:51.119 --> 01:48:53.520



can take it over. Where else were they going to go?147001:48:54.439 --> 01:48:58.000



And I have a thing that I that I always147101:48:58.239 --> 01:49:01.600



go to. It's it's like people will then make the argument,147201:49:01.640 --> 01:49:03.439



while they were conquered, No, they weren't conquered. You know147301:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.359



why they never accepted defeat. They always had a plan147401:49:06.479 --> 01:49:08.760



to come back those who are conquered, the ones who147501:49:08.760 --> 01:49:12.119



accepted their defeat, accepted the fact that, oh, well, I147601:49:12.159 --> 01:49:13.920



guess we're different people now and now we're going to147701:49:14.000 --> 01:49:16.319



have to give in. But the Jewish people never did.147801:49:16.920 --> 01:49:21.560



So can you expand on that and also explain, you know,147901:49:21.680 --> 01:49:26.199



the fallacy and what people try to identify as Zionism148001:49:26.319 --> 01:49:28.560



being at the root of this situation in this.148101:49:28.640 --> 01:49:36.279



Conflict, Well, the Jews are hated for too many different reasons,148201:49:37.720 --> 01:49:44.399



and among these reasons as the fact that the Jews148301:49:44.880 --> 01:49:52.399



survived two thousand years of persecution and the resilience and148401:49:56.640 --> 01:50:05.479



they were able to rebuild after everything. So unfortunately, we148501:50:05.640 --> 01:50:12.039



have this tendency to want greatness and glory for only ourselves.148601:50:12.560 --> 01:50:19.359



If somebody else is successful, yeah we might be happy148701:50:19.439 --> 01:50:24.359



for him, but we want it for ourselves. So unfortunately,148801:50:24.800 --> 01:50:27.720



people might say they can't say whatever they want, but148901:50:27.880 --> 01:50:34.880



this is reality. There's some kind of envy there. Jews149001:50:34.920 --> 01:50:44.119



are successful after the Holocaust, their representation and every single149101:50:44.399 --> 01:50:50.239



industry or progress, they're everywhere. So there's one of the reasons.149201:50:50.399 --> 01:50:57.960



Another reason is the radical left is has its ideology149301:50:58.000 --> 01:51:04.680



belt on grievance and victimhood and Israel defies that ideology149401:51:04.760 --> 01:51:08.960



destroys it. Israel is not built on victim pod as149501:51:09.000 --> 01:51:14.159



well as built on resilience, and so again they don't149601:51:14.319 --> 01:51:16.520



like that. They don't like the fact that Israel has149701:51:17.680 --> 01:51:22.119



survived everything and it's disciple, and not only that, it's powerful,149801:51:22.560 --> 01:51:26.079



it's becoming one of the most powerful states in the worlds.149901:51:27.840 --> 01:51:30.880



And you have religious hatred of course in Islam that150001:51:31.239 --> 01:51:35.920



was inherited by Muslims, in the Secret Scripture and in150101:51:37.000 --> 01:51:42.720



the history itself. So there are too many reasons. I150201:51:42.800 --> 01:51:45.840



can like list a lot of them, but none of150301:51:45.960 --> 01:51:53.039



them are is legit or right. It's all based in150401:51:53.800 --> 01:52:02.520



false perceptions and the Zionism. To accuse Zionist movement of150501:52:03.239 --> 01:52:08.319



atrocities and to be the reason behind is ridiculous because150601:52:09.279 --> 01:52:12.560



the Zionist movement started as a response to persecution.150701:52:13.279 --> 01:52:13.840



It was not.150801:52:15.680 --> 01:52:21.319



Established as a biblical apocalyptical movement that wanted to bring150901:52:21.399 --> 01:52:25.920



the Jews back to Israel. And no, it was a151001:52:26.000 --> 01:52:29.600



response to what was happening to the Jews in Eastern151101:52:29.640 --> 01:52:33.560



Europe and in Russia. And that's why the pioneers of151201:52:33.680 --> 01:52:39.560



the Sience movement didn't care about where this Jewish state151301:52:39.640 --> 01:52:43.239



would be they just wanted a state because they wanted151401:52:43.319 --> 01:52:48.319



self determination. And that's why Ugunda was proposed by Theodore151501:52:48.359 --> 01:52:54.159



Hertzel to the Zionist Council at the beginning. So the151601:52:54.239 --> 01:52:59.760



Zion's movement is simply defined as the right of the151701:52:59.840 --> 01:53:05.520



Jews people to self determination because the Jews have tried151801:53:05.600 --> 01:53:11.239



everything to assimilate, to coexist two never worked, never worked.151901:53:11.680 --> 01:53:16.680



So they realized, Okay, we're done, we need our state,152001:53:16.840 --> 01:53:21.479



we need to govern ourselves. That that's it. And that152101:53:21.920 --> 01:53:29.720



Zionist movement is trying to protect that state of Israel.152201:53:31.159 --> 01:53:35.840



And that's that's a pack a path is controlling America.152301:53:35.920 --> 01:53:40.039



They don't care about controlling America. And I'm not I'm152401:53:40.079 --> 01:53:43.960



not funded by any Zionist movement or a pact and152501:53:44.079 --> 01:53:47.039



not I actually applied for a job at a pack152601:53:47.119 --> 01:53:52.119



and they deny, they rejected me. So, but what they're152701:53:52.239 --> 01:53:54.399



clear about their mission. We want to keep the Congress152801:53:54.479 --> 01:53:58.840



pro Israel. Why because we want to protect the state152901:53:58.920 --> 01:54:04.960



of Israel, which exists in an ocean of enemies. So153001:54:05.520 --> 01:54:07.800



the Zionist movement is not trying to control the word153101:54:08.439 --> 01:54:12.439



and designists are not trying to expand You idiots, The153201:54:12.640 --> 01:54:17.680



Israel for the past seventy seven years. Gave up land153301:54:18.439 --> 01:54:27.000



that legally acquired after defending their country against enemies. They153401:54:27.079 --> 01:54:31.079



gave up Sinai, they gave up southern Lebanon, they gave153501:54:31.199 --> 01:54:38.199



up the Gaza. That is the most. It's like the153601:54:38.359 --> 01:54:43.119



failure of the Zionist project is praise. It is astonishing.153701:54:43.520 --> 01:54:50.239



It's like they've failed in their expansionist project. It's like, no,153801:54:50.359 --> 01:54:53.119



it's rightly the designs movement just wants to predict raduates people.153901:54:53.600 --> 01:54:59.720



So we need to understand this alliance between the radical movement,154001:55:00.039 --> 01:55:05.239



radical left movement and Islam. I had to say this.154101:55:05.359 --> 01:55:07.880



They don't care about Islam. They don't care about Palistine,154201:55:07.920 --> 01:55:10.760



they don't care about Muslims, they don't care about children,154301:55:11.239 --> 01:55:15.880



they don't care about women. They care about any tool154401:55:16.439 --> 01:55:22.439



that could be utilized to attack the Western word, the154501:55:22.479 --> 01:55:28.039



Western civilization, capitalism, because in their blood.154601:55:29.800 --> 01:55:30.279



There is this.154701:55:32.239 --> 01:55:39.439



It's a virus that makes them see that the Western system,154801:55:39.600 --> 01:55:45.479



the power systems in the West, are responsible for not154901:55:46.319 --> 01:55:51.600



creating their utopia. They're the obstacles. They want to create155001:55:51.680 --> 01:55:55.880



a utopia and by taking the West they could achieve that.155101:55:56.119 --> 01:56:00.119



And Islam and Palestine is only utilized to achieve that.155201:56:00.800 --> 01:56:04.720



So what we are experiencing today is not only anti Semitism.155301:56:05.880 --> 01:56:09.960



If we only reduce it to anti simitism, we missed155401:56:09.960 --> 01:56:16.319



the point. It's not. It's anti Western, anti America, ntire freedom, liberty, capitalism,155501:56:16.399 --> 01:56:22.479



individual rights. So that's how we must see what's going155601:56:22.520 --> 01:56:23.239



on today.155701:56:23.239 --> 01:56:26.520



Right in the Zionist movement absolutely correctly said it was.155801:56:26.680 --> 01:56:30.239



It was both a response to twofold to me, was155901:56:30.239 --> 01:56:36.319



a response to their treatment and a persecution in Europe. Also, uh,156001:56:37.159 --> 01:56:39.760



it was it was a long standing need to get156101:56:39.880 --> 01:56:44.039



back to their land, which they were displaced for. You know,156201:56:44.560 --> 01:56:46.479



that's why they ended up in Europe in the first place.156301:56:47.239 --> 01:56:53.640



So that the narrative that you know, they're wrong for156401:56:53.760 --> 01:56:56.960



wanting their land back, that they never actually gave up156501:56:57.039 --> 01:57:01.359



or forgot about, to me, has always been ridiculous and correct.156601:57:01.479 --> 01:57:04.199



I mean, I want to I want one thing to156701:57:04.319 --> 01:57:10.439



your point going back to the land, it was actually156801:57:10.600 --> 01:57:15.439



if you look at your circle records prior to nineteen seventeen,156901:57:16.600 --> 01:57:24.119



before the Sixpico Agreement which divided the Stomach Empire into157001:57:24.680 --> 01:57:31.359



nation states, before that was revealed, it was actually leaked157101:57:31.439 --> 01:57:37.119



by the Polshevists. They revealed it. It was a secret treaty,157201:57:37.199 --> 01:57:41.119



but anyway, before it was revealed, no circle records of157301:57:41.800 --> 01:57:47.000



any projection, any resistance from Muslims to the migration of157401:57:47.079 --> 01:57:50.800



the Jews to the land, except in eighteen eighty one.157501:57:51.720 --> 01:57:56.199



The Ottomans resisted that. Not because they didn't want the157601:57:56.279 --> 01:57:58.920



Jews to return back to their land, no, no, but157701:57:59.119 --> 01:58:04.960



because they were terrified of national movements. There was a157801:58:05.079 --> 01:58:09.800



national movement being formed in Greece, and they were afraid157901:58:09.880 --> 01:58:14.239



of national movements to start erupting everywhere in the Ottoman Empire.158001:58:14.680 --> 01:58:18.119



So they didn't want the Jews to return to Palestine158101:58:21.399 --> 01:58:24.119



because they didn't want them to form a national movement158201:58:24.800 --> 01:58:30.800



and that movement would be contagious to Arabs, to different nations.158301:58:30.920 --> 01:58:35.000



So that's the reason why the Ottomans stopped the migration158401:58:35.079 --> 01:58:39.439



of Jews or resisted it to Panastan. But we don't158501:58:39.479 --> 01:58:42.319



have any circle records of Muslims or Arabs.158601:58:42.399 --> 01:58:46.039



I tell you why because okay, sorry, go ahead, no,158701:58:46.279 --> 01:58:47.279



this is like the.158801:58:47.359 --> 01:58:51.439



Point is why there is no resistance because the caliphate158901:58:52.199 --> 01:58:56.000



was in the place. When the caliphate is in place,159001:58:56.760 --> 01:59:00.399



the assumption is we don't care if the Jews returned159101:59:00.439 --> 01:59:04.840



to the land, they will be subjugated. To the Islamic cruel,159201:59:05.119 --> 01:59:09.199



they will live and during the Islamic cruel. The problem159301:59:09.520 --> 01:59:14.960



is when the Jews wanted sovereignty. It's not about their existence.159401:59:16.039 --> 01:59:22.680



If Benjamin Natinio today convert to Islam the Palestinian the159501:59:22.720 --> 01:59:24.600



whole Pastinian conflict will end to.159601:59:24.680 --> 01:59:25.319



Be in a second.159701:59:25.800 --> 01:59:27.520



It will be done immediately.159801:59:28.159 --> 01:59:30.840



So so to back up really quick, that's a good159901:59:30.880 --> 01:59:33.439



point you just made, actually, But to back up really quick.160001:59:33.680 --> 01:59:38.359



You know, before the Ottoman Empire came in, the people160101:59:38.439 --> 01:59:41.439



of Israel, or the Jewish people were already there, right,160201:59:42.039 --> 01:59:44.279



they were driven out by the Ottoman Empire. It was160301:59:44.439 --> 01:59:47.720



it was live under our rule or leave that that.160401:59:47.920 --> 01:59:51.119



That's what happened before the Ottoman Empire got there. When160501:59:51.199 --> 01:59:53.680



once they got there they drove them out. It's like,160601:59:53.840 --> 01:59:55.960



you live under our rule, you live how you live160701:59:56.119 --> 01:59:58.520



under our subjugation, or you're out of here.160801:59:58.640 --> 02:00:03.560



Right, the Jews kept a connection to the land. Since160902:00:03.600 --> 02:00:09.199



their connection to the land never ceased at a certain point.161002:00:09.720 --> 02:00:14.039



They could be like a few hundreds of people at161102:00:14.359 --> 02:00:16.960



a certain point would be a thousand, doesn't matter. They161202:00:17.039 --> 02:00:17.680



kept the connection.161302:00:17.960 --> 02:00:18.720



Yes, yes, agreed.161402:00:18.800 --> 02:00:20.760



Wait, it's not about it.161502:00:21.840 --> 02:00:22.520



That's the history.161602:00:23.000 --> 02:00:26.319



Nine percent of them migrated in the twentieth century. That161702:00:26.439 --> 02:00:31.680



doesn't change the fact that they had as much right161802:00:31.960 --> 02:00:36.039



as everybody else in the region to form a state161902:00:36.960 --> 02:00:39.239



because there were a group of people living on a162002:00:39.760 --> 02:00:45.880



geographical geographical spot, and everybody was starting a state, So162102:00:46.000 --> 02:00:51.920



why not the Jews who were persistent on the fact162202:00:51.960 --> 02:00:54.000



that they had to rule themselves. They don't want to162302:00:54.000 --> 02:00:58.039



be ruled by someone else. And if they accepted an162402:00:58.119 --> 02:01:00.680



Islamic rule, there would be no no problem at all.162502:01:00.800 --> 02:01:02.039



There would have been no problem.162602:01:02.279 --> 02:01:05.920



It's like, okay, if they converted today, all these wars162702:01:05.960 --> 02:01:08.319



would end, and then what it would be It would162802:01:08.319 --> 02:01:13.560



it would absolutely be a newfound focus by everyone who162902:01:13.720 --> 02:01:16.359



is under the rule of Islam to now focus on163002:01:16.399 --> 02:01:17.600



the rest of the world and take the rest of163102:01:17.600 --> 02:01:18.079



the world over.163202:01:18.199 --> 02:01:21.920



People forget all the arguments they have made since the163302:01:22.000 --> 02:01:27.760



beginning about identity and heritage and land. They forget everything.163402:01:27.920 --> 02:01:31.239



I A'll go away if be being a not inao tonight,163502:01:31.439 --> 02:01:34.319



convert to Islam. I'm not talking about all these regular people. No, No,163602:01:34.720 --> 02:01:37.840



just the ruler, the king of the land, who rules163702:01:37.880 --> 02:01:44.520



the land. If he converts to Islam, people in Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt,163802:01:44.840 --> 02:01:49.439



Juria would be offering the Jewish people lands, not the163902:01:49.520 --> 02:01:52.520



Jewish people Latino, they would be offering him lands like164002:01:52.640 --> 02:01:55.439



come and take more, doesn't They don't care about land.164102:01:56.359 --> 02:01:59.319



It's not about land, never been about the land. It's164202:02:00.079 --> 02:02:01.239



it's a manufactured lie.164302:02:02.439 --> 02:02:05.600



That's interesting and it's it's crazy because if you look164402:02:05.640 --> 02:02:09.119



at geographically like Israel, the nation state is such a164502:02:09.239 --> 02:02:11.840



small sliver of land compared to the rest of the164602:02:11.880 --> 02:02:16.039



Arab world, It really is. Do you believe that what's164702:02:16.039 --> 02:02:17.399



going on with the conflict right now?164802:02:17.479 --> 02:02:17.640



Though?164902:02:17.800 --> 02:02:22.039



Is is Israel really doing everything they're saying to the165002:02:22.119 --> 02:02:25.159



people of Palestine or living in what's considered Palestine today?165102:02:25.840 --> 02:02:28.880



Are they indiscriminately bombing, are they starving people? Are are165202:02:28.960 --> 02:02:33.319



they killing innocence indiscriminately? Or is that a lot of165302:02:33.479 --> 02:02:35.239



manufactured lies and propaganda.165402:02:36.680 --> 02:02:43.039



So I believe that October seven happened on Iranian orders165502:02:43.479 --> 02:02:50.760



to sabotage the Saudi Israeli the stokes. I'm one hundred165602:02:50.760 --> 02:02:56.680



percent certain of that, because a Saudi Israeli peace treaty165702:02:57.479 --> 02:03:05.600



would have meant that the excuse of Iran to be165802:03:05.800 --> 02:03:12.000



in the region is Vanish. It's like, if Saudi is165902:03:12.039 --> 02:03:17.000



making peace with Israel and the Palestinian conflict is coming166002:03:17.039 --> 02:03:22.119



to an end, then why Iran has any reason to166102:03:22.199 --> 02:03:25.039



stay in Lebanon in Syria and Iraq in Yemen. So166202:03:25.199 --> 02:03:28.840



they had to tell that the peace stokes between Israel166302:03:28.840 --> 02:03:37.720



and Sagaria. Now their retaliation of Israel. And this is166402:03:38.159 --> 02:03:41.760



an important point. The retaliation of Israel is not the166502:03:41.880 --> 02:03:47.039



reason why Israel is being accused of genocide and all166602:03:47.119 --> 02:03:49.640



the accusations that we see to be you know why,166702:03:50.199 --> 02:03:53.680



because on October seven people we are protesting on the166802:03:53.800 --> 02:03:58.279



streets of London and New York in different cities against Israel.166902:03:58.399 --> 02:04:02.600



Even though Israel did not tell and even as I167002:04:02.720 --> 02:04:06.399



remember yea, even the Jews, the Jewish people were still167102:04:06.560 --> 02:04:10.079



burying their the bodies, looking for the bodies, trying to167202:04:10.159 --> 02:04:11.319



identify them bodies.167302:04:11.359 --> 02:04:13.640



Are right, they were already protesting as Israel. They didn't167402:04:13.640 --> 02:04:15.199



even do anything. Yet they didn't even retaliate.167502:04:15.720 --> 02:04:19.640



Yeah, it's uh, it's not true that israelis being an167602:04:19.880 --> 02:04:23.079



accused of a genocide because of what happened after over167702:04:23.199 --> 02:04:27.359



seven No, it's being accused of genocide because it serves167802:04:27.479 --> 02:04:35.319



the narrative that different movements and the Holly Alliance in167902:04:35.399 --> 02:04:42.960



the West h embraces it's their narrative. Now, when we168002:04:43.039 --> 02:04:47.359



talk about the retaliation scale, I want you to imagine168102:04:48.640 --> 02:04:54.079



if but A said was leading this war in Gaza168202:04:56.119 --> 02:04:59.560



on the same scale that we have seen in Syria168302:05:00.159 --> 02:05:08.840



between twenty eleven and two thousand twenty four, and you're168402:05:08.880 --> 02:05:11.319



take into consideration the size of the land, the size168502:05:11.359 --> 02:05:13.760



of Syria and the size of Gaza, and the number168602:05:13.800 --> 02:05:19.840



of populations, the death rate would be or the number168702:05:19.920 --> 02:05:24.119



of casualties would be. I have calculated that. I think168802:05:24.159 --> 02:05:30.199



it's one point two millions. So if Israel retaliated or168902:05:30.279 --> 02:05:35.760



responded on the scale of the Acid, we should have169002:05:35.880 --> 02:05:40.239



more than one point two casualties in Gaza. But we169102:05:40.479 --> 02:05:46.479



have according to the Ministry of Health hamas Minister of Weld,169202:05:46.920 --> 02:05:51.600



you have fifty to sixty thousand. Okay, now in the169302:05:51.680 --> 02:05:58.239



sixty thousands, how many people in Gaza died naturally since169402:05:58.279 --> 02:06:01.399



October seven, two years? How many natural death we have?169502:06:02.359 --> 02:06:08.840



I think we have zero. It's all blame. So when169602:06:08.960 --> 02:06:15.560



God decides that somebody's life has ended, all let's blame169702:06:15.600 --> 02:06:19.199



isray for it. It's God, it's nature it's age. If169802:06:19.239 --> 02:06:23.000



somebody dying dies in a car accident, it doesn't matter.169902:06:23.079 --> 02:06:27.479



It's like the bucket that has all that death, and170002:06:27.600 --> 02:06:33.479



it's number one, number two. How many a mass first170102:06:34.039 --> 02:06:38.880



died according to the Israeli reports, probably twenty five thou170202:06:41.560 --> 02:06:49.239



So how many civilians Innoctan civilians really died in guests.170302:06:51.439 --> 02:06:56.720



I'm gonna assume it's ten thousands. Okay, it's a huge number, heartbreaking.170402:06:58.920 --> 02:07:04.479



But here's the thing. Israel is in a moral dilemma.170502:07:06.760 --> 02:07:10.439



What Israel is going to do? If Israel let Hamas170602:07:10.880 --> 02:07:18.039



stay live, regroup, another October seven is gonna happen. And170702:07:18.159 --> 02:07:21.520



people don't understand what October seven represents in that imagination170802:07:21.600 --> 02:07:22.439



of the Jewish people.170902:07:24.720 --> 02:07:25.000



It is.171002:07:29.039 --> 02:07:32.880



It is the Holocaust, a mini Holocaust. It is something171102:07:32.960 --> 02:07:38.399



that no non Jews can understand. Are you a Jew?171202:07:38.920 --> 02:07:45.000



Have you? Are you? Has your life been shaped by171302:07:46.199 --> 02:07:51.720



that event? No? So you don't understand October seven. I171402:07:51.800 --> 02:07:55.680



don't understand October seven and how the Jews see it.171502:07:56.640 --> 02:08:03.680



It was reminder that the possibility of another course is there,171602:08:04.960 --> 02:08:09.840



and there's a promise never again. So the scale of171702:08:09.920 --> 02:08:16.000



retaliation should be understood through this lens, through the lens171802:08:16.119 --> 02:08:21.000



of survival of a nation that has been under the171902:08:21.119 --> 02:08:25.319



threat of destruction and eradication for a very long time.172002:08:26.279 --> 02:08:32.560



So I don't believe that retaliation of Israel Astorks over172102:08:32.640 --> 02:08:44.319



seven was disproportionate. I think it was restrained, very very restrained,172202:08:45.279 --> 02:08:55.199



and very calculated. Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties. I172302:08:55.319 --> 02:09:00.920



believe this from the depth of my heart. And Israel172402:09:01.079 --> 02:09:08.119



is being held to higher standards than every other country,172502:09:08.319 --> 02:09:13.800



every other group. It's like, no Israeli soldier is allowed172602:09:13.920 --> 02:09:21.520



to joke with another soldier as they are fighting. These172702:09:21.600 --> 02:09:25.479



are baryters. If there is a five seconds video of172802:09:25.760 --> 02:09:31.920



to Israeli soldiers making a joke or misbehaving, that is172902:09:32.279 --> 02:09:39.520



condemnation against Israel. It's ridiculous when you have mothers taking173002:09:39.560 --> 02:09:46.039



a pride in installing the suicide bomb vest on their children,173102:09:47.359 --> 02:09:53.760



and you condemn Israel for an Israeli soldier wearing a173202:09:53.920 --> 02:09:58.880



bra as they fight in Gaza. It's just kidding, playing173302:09:58.880 --> 02:10:06.399



the rounds. That morel the humanization of Israel what it's173402:10:08.199 --> 02:10:13.039



so yeah, I again, trust me, Georgie. I'm not saying173502:10:13.119 --> 02:10:19.199



any of these things because I'm paid by anyone. I173602:10:19.319 --> 02:10:22.960



am honest and authentic as a former Muslim, as an173702:10:23.000 --> 02:10:29.279



Arab Jordanian who lived among Palestinians for years. This is173802:10:30.479 --> 02:10:32.560



how I see this conflict, and this is how I173902:10:32.600 --> 02:10:38.760



see Israel. Israel is the only state today in the174002:10:38.800 --> 02:10:42.760



Middle East that is trying to protect the Drews. You174102:10:42.800 --> 02:10:46.279



could say that they have national interests, of course, who doesn't,174202:10:47.399 --> 02:10:52.800



But nevertheless, Israel is protecting the drus from a massacre,174302:10:53.720 --> 02:10:56.840



from being sold in the slave market of the Islamic state.174402:10:57.720 --> 02:11:01.640



While Turkey is watching, Rock is watching, Jordan is watching,174502:11:01.800 --> 02:11:03.520



Egypt is watching. You know, I think I remember it,174602:11:03.760 --> 02:11:07.479



Saudi Arabia, Nobury is coming to the rescue of the drums.174702:11:08.399 --> 02:11:14.840



And people have the audacity to criticize Israel and condemn Israel.174802:11:15.239 --> 02:11:21.199



This nation that have that has helped the Christians in174902:11:21.279 --> 02:11:27.479



Lebanon and Voto alongside them against the terrorists of the PLO.175002:11:29.720 --> 02:11:34.479



Israel is the only country that is really caring for175102:11:34.600 --> 02:11:38.720



the minorities in the Middle East, trying to save them175202:11:38.760 --> 02:11:44.039



from Islamic barbarism. Yet the word is condemning Israel. So175302:11:45.560 --> 02:11:45.920



you have that.175402:11:48.279 --> 02:11:51.439



Oh well, I think with that we should probably wrap175502:11:51.479 --> 02:11:56.560



it up. You're talking about a lot, a lot of175602:11:56.680 --> 02:12:00.159



different things that are very relevant. Great conversation. Thank you175702:12:00.319 --> 02:12:04.720



very much. Before you go, though, please tell everybody more175802:12:04.720 --> 02:12:06.800



about where they can find your title of your book,175902:12:06.840 --> 02:12:09.359



et cetera. Go ahead and let everybody know about that place.176002:12:09.560 --> 02:12:12.119



I haven't decided on a title yet, but it's going176102:12:12.199 --> 02:12:15.079



to be about Islam, Israel, and the future of the West.176202:12:15.640 --> 02:12:19.560



So it's going to cover a lot of topics. It's176302:12:19.640 --> 02:12:24.880



going to talk about that, how Islam is a political ideology.176402:12:25.000 --> 02:12:28.439



Why it's not going to be another book about information176502:12:29.239 --> 02:12:31.640



that you could find in a thousand other books. No,176602:12:32.119 --> 02:12:38.640



it's going to be unique analysis, fresh perspective into the176702:12:39.079 --> 02:12:42.840



Arab Israeli conflict. Why Islam is incompatible with the West,176802:12:43.279 --> 02:12:45.960



Why Islam is the threat is a threat to the West.176902:12:48.560 --> 02:12:55.039



Also that today a Christian alliance that should save the West,177002:12:55.079 --> 02:12:58.720



I would say, And the Abrahamic religion, Why Islam is177102:12:58.800 --> 02:13:03.159



not an Abrahamic relgig gen and reformation Islam? Is it possible?177202:13:04.399 --> 02:13:07.880



How to respond to this threat? How to understand the177302:13:09.119 --> 02:13:13.439



geopolitics of the Middle East in life of all these177402:13:13.880 --> 02:13:17.359



So the book is going to be available for pre177502:13:17.600 --> 02:13:23.800



order on September seventh, and the release date is October seven,177602:13:25.560 --> 02:13:30.920



an a truly date for obvious reasons. Of course, you177702:13:31.000 --> 02:13:36.920



can find me on www dot project ex dot org.177802:13:37.960 --> 02:13:40.880



If you go to this website, that's my substat I177902:13:41.039 --> 02:13:45.880



encourage you to subscribe to receive my articles to your178002:13:46.159 --> 02:13:49.319



inbox and follow me on x. You also find the178102:13:49.399 --> 02:13:53.079



link on my subset page. Thank you so much, George.178202:13:53.840 --> 02:13:55.479



Oh, thank you for your time. I enjoyed this and178302:13:55.960 --> 02:13:58.479



I will stay in touch with you. It's very informative178402:13:58.840 --> 02:14:02.000



and I do have a big interest into the history178502:14:02.039 --> 02:14:05.239



of the region and what is going on there. So again,178602:14:05.319 --> 02:14:06.960



I know I pushed back a little bit. I was178702:14:07.039 --> 02:14:10.119



just trying to get the conversation to go in other178802:14:10.159 --> 02:14:14.560



directions so we can hear more perspective, which was really178902:14:14.600 --> 02:14:15.880



great and I appreciate it.179002:14:15.920 --> 02:14:16.079



I do.179102:14:16.239 --> 02:14:17.199



I appreciate you