Alex Kain 'The Philosophy - A Critical Upgrade For Humanity'

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 Okay, listeners, watchers, I have another guest today. I have Alex Cain, author,

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 philosopher. You're an entrepreneur as well.

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 Optimizing businesses and their systems and help them do better from what I read and

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 your book, very interested you have it on the screen already,

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 The Philosophy and

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 I

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 think I think it's much needed because from what I was I didn't really read into the book so much I did

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 You know the summary and reading about everything that you had online and available

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 Before we set this up, which thank you. It's kind of last minute

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 So thanks for being there especially for you being all the way in Australia over Melbourne. Is that correct? Yeah, Melbourne. Awesome

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 Melbourne well, I'm gonna mispronounce it. I'm a Yankee

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 And I do have listeners out there too, so this is really good

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 So let's talk humanity 2.0. Let's talk about how you came to be where you are what

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 what basically led you to write this book and

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 You know the world in general as it sits right now because I I think I'm in agreement with you

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 We need to look at things differently. We need to almost reset how we think things as as humans and how we interact

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 So, I mean if you can just give us a little background. How did you how did you come to be where you are right now and

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 Why this book?

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 Why this book and why now and why me? Why?

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 anybody

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 Well, I'll start off by saying the idea of even writing a book was so foreign to me

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 I don't even read books to be completely honest

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 And in fact when I was at school

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 I paid my sister 50 cents to read the books and tell me what they were about

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 So the idea of writing a book was really not on my

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 horizon, however

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 As you rightly pointed out I have done a lot of entrepreneurship

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 I've been in business for a number of years a number of different businesses

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 My more recent one is around

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 business process

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 optimization looking at businesses

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 Understanding how they function and trying to find ways to improve them a lot of that's to do with technology and automation

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 And that sort of thing

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 But it was kind of that

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 Area that I was operating in on a daily basis of looking at organizations

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 Pulling them apart

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 Trying to understand how they work and trying to see

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 Does it make sense how you're operating and can you do better?

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 and it was that way of thinking that I

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 Began to think how can I apply this to society?

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 you know looking at how we operate and what are the systems and processes that govern the society and

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 You know rather than starting from a point of being dug in on a viewpoint

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 Just really be very neutral about things and just go well hang on a minute

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 Does this actually make sense anymore to be doing this and that's kind of where this all came about and I guess it

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 was from my own

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 success that I was having

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 And looking around the world and looking in my backyard and just going

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 Something feels off to me, you know, I can be successful

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 I can be doing really well

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 But when I look around me and see other people doing it really tough

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 I asked the question

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 Is this really what success is?

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 Is this what it means for me as an individual and for us as a society?

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 That is the question. I think everybody gets a point where they ask that

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 Especially as we get older and we have to challenge the notion of what success is. I'm so similar to you

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 But not in the industry, but I've owned six businesses myself

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 one of them still operating 27 years later and

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 Then I'm also doing this podcasting here

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 But you know at some point you do start to ask what is all this for like you're chasing the dollar for what?

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 You know, I'm starting at the point where I value life life experiences in my time more than I'm actually

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 enjoying running the business so to speak so and

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 Everything that you have learned just just through your reflections and through your observations

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 What do you what do you say to people who?

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 Who are busy chasing their tail for what they view as success or as the world is

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 Presenting it to them like we're supposed to achieve this certain measure of success

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 But then even that that representation of success itself is a falsehood

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 So what would you recommend to people and how they can get their lives on the right path and and also let's let's let's not

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 Dismiss that the value of money is important. I mean we do live in societies that we've created where you know

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 Your life may only be as good as how much you pay for it at some point

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 With certain luxuries, correct

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 but at the same time how can we make make people shift from that focus of only looking at the dollar the dollar value and

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 And also looking more towards like what makes a more meaningful life. And how do you how do you get that balance?

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 Questions a question. I'm asking anyway. Yeah. Hello. That's actually the opening sentence of the book is what's the point?

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 You know, what's the point of life? Are we here just to make money?

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 Is that what it is and you know, clearly the answer is no, but

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 society I

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 guess pushes that on us that success is

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 Accumulate wealth and then accumulate more wealth and you know, and that's how you become successful and

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 You know the motto of he who dies with the most toys wins

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 Unfortunately is prevalent in in many

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 Pockets of society, but not for everyone

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 And I think what we realize is the success that's been modeled to us at some point in our lives begins to feel hollow

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 Because you know as you get a bit older and you get life experience under your belt you start to think well

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 You know, I've got so many years left on this earth

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 I could spend all of them working and accumulating money or I could find other ways of

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 Attaining meaning and I think what we've done is we've said success is

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 Associated with wealth and wealth is associated with what we do and what we do gives us meaning

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 And I'm saying that there are other ways to find meaning in life there

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 You know meaning can be contribution and not everything needs to be salaried to be meaningful

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 You know when we look after

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 People in aged care or we're you know doing other community work that is contribution that is meaningful

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 Yet it's not remunerated and so it's looked down upon and I think we need to find other ways to see

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 That success can be contribution across a whole plethora of different fields

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 So so let's let's go back and

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 Talk about how we can get people to see it from that point of view though

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 What are the things they can do to kind of?

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 Tune up their approach as someone who looked at fixing system processes or making it more efficient

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 How could someone apply that to their life and and pursue the things that matter? I

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 Wish that my book was a self-help book and it could say well

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 You know decide to see the world through different eyes and it's fixed for you

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 Right it doesn't operate that way because you're still going to operate within the paradigm that the world currently operates in right?

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 So this is the book is really about we need a societal shift. We need a global shift

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 You know, it's not about me choosing to see I mean I can I can go and live on a commune

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 unplugged from the grid and do my own thing and and find a meaningful life, but

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 Then there's still going to be pressures from governments and and other things that will come to bear upon me that

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 I can't work in a siloed environment and think well, I've got total control over my life

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 So it really is something that needs to happen on a large scale

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 And it starts with questioning the current systems that exist, you know

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 I I question the education system the legal system

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 Political system the economy all these things are contributing to how we currently live

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 And we need to change them but in order to change them

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 We need to desire to see things differently and that's the starting point is unless you know

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 we can say let's let's make the world a better place and let's

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 Do more humanitarian thing, but unless you see that as an important goal

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 for inclusion

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 equality

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 Just good humanitarian values, then you'll prioritize other things, you know

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 You'll make profits more important than looking after people

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 and so it's those kind of

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 that shift in perspective that needs to happen first and so the book is

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 essentially talks about

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 the way we do that is to

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 Re-engineer our education system so that we get to kids from a very young age and teach them about respect empathy

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 Gratitude about values so that they grow up to be good politicians

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 They grow up to be good economists may start seeing the world in a different light than they do today. And that's really

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 I'd love to say there's a magic fix today, but there's not it is a longer-term strategy

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 It is a multi-generational approach

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 But if we don't start now, it just doesn't happen now a lot of people will say well

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 You know the education system is just responsible for educating our kids. Don't don't go teaching our kids values

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 That should come from the home

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 But as we know that's quite variable in terms of what gets taught in every home

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 You know the parents of today many of them are already quite flawed themselves

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 So what they're passing down is is just

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 Propagating that so it's really about can we change the education system today?

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 from simply being

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 Institutions for learning math science

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 Incubators for nurturing great human beings and I think if we can position

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 Learning institutions to become more responsible for that for actually

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 incubating great human beings by instilling values and teaching those sorts of things as

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 Importantly as math and science then I think we've got a good chance that in the next 20 30 40 years

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 To start to see kids coming out of school who begin to have a different view of the world. So

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 Sound okay. So that that sounds more like

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 We need to re-engineer society in general

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 Yeah, because because if I say to you go and go and fix homelessness today, I mean you'll say well

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 You know, we've got other priorities and we've got you know, we're gonna need more money for homes

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 We're gonna need this we're gonna need that the end of the day

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 There's enough resources in the world today to solve homelessness

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 Yeah, it's really about what's our will to want to do that and unless we tackle that first we can keep

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 Commanding people to do things, but unless you're thinking that that's an important priority. Why would you bother?

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 Well, and honestly homelessness depending where you are is much more complex issue than just giving people homes as well

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 I've known many people in different

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 ministries for example or other

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 Organizations to where they actually work with homeless people. So there there is you know, yeah, we have the resources

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 But then there's also the person has to accept that they want to change themselves as well

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 And I have experienced this firsthand. I've seen it. So, you know, it's it's not it's not an easy approach

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 But as far as what you said with resources, yeah

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 We do have the ability now to just get rid of homelessness

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 You know in terms of homelessness is concerned, but we still have to work with people's

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 Mental faculties we got to work with them on an emotional level to make sure that they're ready for the change and accept it

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 As well, and then we also have the other problem

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 Where a lot of the homeless that are out there at least I'm talking about from my experience here where we live in American

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 What I've seen a lot of them lost their caregivers because they were on

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 Medications and they needed in-home care or they're at a house where they needed this and then all sudden the funding's cut

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 And they have nowhere to go and then they're on the streets and they didn't choose that so there's a lot of issues there

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 And I agree we have the resources correct

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 But we also have to look at the individual

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 We got to look at what they're going through emotionally and mentally and see but that also needs resources as well to support them

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 Right, so we need to make sure that the system provides those resources again. It becomes down to budget

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 Do we allocate it to that or do we put it somewhere else? Yeah, I

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 Can see that so let's let's talk about the education a bit more. So do you do you believe that?

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 We should be teaching a standardized way of living in general like a standardized society in education

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 Because the the idea of parents being parents and educators is being educators if we're going to

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 How would we safely based on what you were just saying? How would we in your mind?

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 By the way, I'm not saying there's just your opinion. I get it

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 But how in your opinion would we safely be able to play?

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 The role of parent and educator when it comes to public education

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 Without going too far and taking the role away from parents entirely

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 Inconsistent right now anyway, right?

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 So you're gonna have some households where values are handed down and they're great values and and you want that to happen

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 And that should keep happening. We're not saying we're removing that

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 Families where there are absent parents, you know

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 they have to work or they're not around and the kids are left to their own devices and things just happen and

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 If they're not getting it in the home environment and they're not receiving it at school currently

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 Where are they getting it from though?

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 you know they will congregate with other like-minded people and you know form gangs and other things where they feel a sense of

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 We want to try and hand those down at a very young age in an age appropriate and culturally sensitive way, right so that

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 You will have your current curriculum in the school teaching that your normal subjects

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 But you will also have life skills being taught

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 You will also have values almost as a co-curriculum that exists alongside the standard curriculum

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 Now there'll be some parents that won't like what's being taught to them in the school as values because it doesn't agree with their values

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 foundational values that you know respect empathy

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 Gratitude these things, you know, you can't really argue with them. They they are standard things that would change the world

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 I mean at the end of the day

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 So many of the world's problems come down to a lack of respect that we have for each other and for the planet

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 right, and if they were

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 Firmly ingrained in our young people from a from a very young age

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 They would start to see the world in a different way

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 And I think it's that that we need to focus on it's not trying to take away anything from parents in

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 Effect it's trying to support them and provide that additional

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 That additional platform for the kids to learn and that they're learning it then with their peers as well

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 So then they can discuss it and they can talk about it and it's openly shared and then you know when they graduate

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 Think about what sort of people they will be compared to you know

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 Some of those homes where those kids haven't had very much taught to them. So

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 It's more about teaching societal societal agreed upon societal

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 Moral tenets basically rather exactly. Yeah, and that makes sense

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 I think we used to have that a bit years ago and there were yeah, there was civics

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 The curriculum is just packed full of stuff and it's hard to get anything else in at the moment, right?

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 I think it's also because we don't we don't prioritize it, you know values versus a

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 Subject that you can go on to university through all we know what's going to get the attention, right?

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 Then we would see them as important enough to deserve that much attention

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 But they just they just don't get them these days and it's a shame. How about also getting away from

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 How education and I'm not sure how it is around the world, but it seems to be similar

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 But getting away from an education system that is based around an industrial revolutionary view

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 I'm going to work at this time getting off at this time. These are my prescribed breaks

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 This is my prescribed launch the whole deal. It seems like we're just being programmed and have been for such a long time

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 There's another way to do that, especially in the modern world, right and we're talking about preparing people to work. So

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 do you think that we can ever get away from that and

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 You know, I talk in the book that the education system is a throwback from the Industrial Revolution, right?

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 We're where the the goal there was to produce as many people to go out into the workforce to

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 Provide the highest GDP for the country, right?

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 That that was it and that that was the factory mentality just push through as many people as you can and get them producing

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 You know, there are other models available to it

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 I look at you know, like the Montessori model of education where there's more focus on the individual and nurturing their

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 Inherent talents rather than mass producing everyone everyone goes through the same machine and then you come out at the end and hope

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 That you've done. Okay, but I think there's not enough attention given to nurturing the individual

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 Like if I'm I find an artistic person at a very young age

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 economics and other things that may not be of interest or you know

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 Cosine tan and math that I'll never use I don't understand why we

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 Persist with doing that now if we can understand a child's natural talents and natural

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 Inclinations in a certain direction at a younger age. We should be fostering that so everyone should get a

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 Foundational amount of knowledge right about how the world works. It should be a peace level that

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 yeah, I don't disagree with that because I

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 It seems that people feel pressured

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 You know like choose what you want to be when you get out of school

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 You got to go to this college to get this profession, etc. And I think a lot of people fall into things

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 They're compromising so that they can get the as we were talking about earlier

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 Paycheck, you know to fit in society, you know neatly right and check the boxes

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 So that I think that approach is is much more needed. So yeah, I can agree with that

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 We do need to look at it differently if we had a base agreed upon baseline knowledge

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 And then we're able to branch people off and you know, and everybody's going to they're going to gravitate towards, you know

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 Things like arts engineering etc. I mean people naturally do that

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 You just kind of be able to encourage those individuals become the best they can at those things

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 So we probably need better tools to know that earlier on. Yeah, I understand that that's where a child detect that correct

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 Yeah, and then foster them in that direction

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 I know when I was at school, I enjoyed doing drama and acting and all that sort of stuff

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 So to continue learning, you know mathematical stuff for me

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 I hope I wasn't enjoying it and it makes a child feel like a failure when they're not succeeding

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 It's something that they don't enjoy doing they're not passionate about it

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 But they're forced to do it. It doesn't make any sense that that's what we do to our kids. No, I get it

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 I mean, I wasn't the best student. I

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 Used to get bored literally school bored me. I'll admit it. It bored me. I had an entrepreneurial spirit

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 I didn't want to sit in one place. I wanted to go out and do my thing and you know, I was just me

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 Doesn't mean that I or you or anybody like us was less intelligent. We're just we're just wired different

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 And you think it's not it's not quite child abuse but you think about we're forcing kids to do things

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 They don't necessarily want to do or aren't even good at doing but we force them to persist and do it

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 What does that do for their confidence and you know who they become it doesn't make sense

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 So again, my motto in the book is question everything. Why are we still doing that? I agree. So let's

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 Education is good. I agree. That's the foundation of changing society period

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 But we do have to come together as a society and agree on what it is. We are going to be teaching

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 What's going to be that baseline? What are going to be the moral tenets that we teach because they do have to be universal principles

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 now what about

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 I was reading a bit how you came to question how governments are run for example

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 I don't want to put you in a political conversation

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 We don't want to but I just want to get your take on how we can better approach politics and how

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 Politicians for example governments can actually serve the people instead of abusing the people and as we're talking about education

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 Stop treating them as assets that they can use as tools to just basically, you know

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 Push their GDP and land their pockets. So

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 How would you how would you go about that? Or what would you suggest?

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 How can we change our view and mindset on how I don't know how we're governed mostly around the world

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 Well, I mean even or let's do this. Let's just focus on Western society first. Let's do that

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 Because you know, it's kind of hard to have a blanket government, correct? So how do we do that in Western society?

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 Yeah, so I mean even even asking the question how we should be governed now

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 What does being governed actually mean they are there to represent us right? But it doesn't always feel that way, right? No

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 And I think it starts with the actual political system. I mean the the the way it operates

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 I know in America you have the collegiate system here. We have a preferential system

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 Are you really getting a true sample of what people think? First of all, that's that's the first thing

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 the second thing is

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 The way the system operates in it and how parties can receive donations

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 To me also just has a little bit of a smell to it. All right

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 You know that you can receive so much money and is that he who has the most

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 funds to do

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 advertising and marketing wins

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 Well, that's partly it too because that gives you a sphere of influence that you know

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 So but it boils down to the battle of the the wallet and yeah for me

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 That's not what politics should be about

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 And what happens when a party is taking donations from both sides, what does that say does that say

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 Well, this is an IOU whenever you get in

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 Remember me. Yeah, right pretty much

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 So, you know, I mean, what is that that you know, that smells of corruption

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 So the the problem is that the system is already set up to fail, right?

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 Because it is about influence and then you've got the politicians themselves that are mostly interested in

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 Attaining power and then retaining it at all costs

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 So what do they do to do that and who pays the price of that?

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 So the system already is fundamentally flawed in how it works and then in the day-to-day

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 Operations of it, you know, you just have to look at what's happening today, you know, it's a

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 lot of the time it's

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 Both sides are just going at each other for point scoring

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 Are they really working in our best interest or again, it's all about trying to retain or attain power

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 that's really it just become we're pawns in their chess game and

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 Are they really serving us and my my answer is absolutely. No

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 so a couple of things there and

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 For one, I believe you're right

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 I've always said we need to take away any kind of packs super packs

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 I don't believe in lobbyists to be honest if if you're gonna lobby for something

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 It should be very public for everybody should be on TV if you want to see it and it should be in front of

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 Everybody at the same time period, you know, no more no more private meetings secret handshakes any of that

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 I get it out in the open

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 Let it be transparent and it's just not transparent and there shouldn't be any donations whatsoever

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 I don't believe and the second thing that I would say that you kind of touched on

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 but I think the other problem we have with politics right now in Western society anyway is

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 Everything seems to be more of when we elect our officials is based on popularity more than it is on

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 Who they are like their resume like they're applying for a job to represent us and people aren't aren't looking at that

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 They're just looking at how popular they are

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 Charismatic how they speak whether or not the they insulted the other person in a way that we can laugh about

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 You know, it's almost like just I don't know how it is over there

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 But here to me just feels like nobody really got out of high school

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 You know, they're just taking that same mentality and using that mentality to be world leaders

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 Which is really ridiculous and I can name some representatives that could definitely

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 Absolutely speak to everything that I'm saying right now. I'm actually perfect representatives of everything

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 I'm talking about right now, but

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 We we need to

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 We need we need to be able to do I don't think our society

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 I don't think government for example if we're talking about

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 Our government here originally wasn't really set up to fail, I think it was allowed to get to that point, you know over time

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 There's no reason any any political appointment should be a lifetime appointment or should be allowed to be we need to set

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 Strict term limits at least here in the USA and again, I'm not sure of how everything is over there, but

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 term limits for sure

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 And the salary shouldn't be what they are either

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 I mean it went from being a public service to where you get a stipend to suddenly

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 I think was around the 70s or whatever at least here Congress voted to give themselves an increase in salary and now we're looking

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 at a hundred and seventy some thousand dollars a year minimum and

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 Then they're coming out the other end as multi millionaires. Like how was that possible? And don't even tell me it's a book deal

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 We're speaking to her. So what about the accountability? Like we it feels like the people have the power to

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 Hold our politicians accountable, but yet we don't because we don't pay attention

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 We don't come together and I think that's another problem with society if you're looking at it is

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 We have been conditioned to work keep our head down be happy with what we have and not pay attention

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 We've created all these things around us

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 That we stay so busy we have these blinders on and then when it comes time to pay attention

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 What's really happening? We feel like we're surprised and we're all so divided that we don't realize we can come together and literally hold

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 These people accountable. We don't

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 I'm not sure how we change that. I mean, like you said starts with the education system

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 But aside from that, how do we get people to realize that we actually have the power to change these things?

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 Well, I think and that's why I get back to saying it they are there to represent us

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 But that's not what's actually happening. They are definitely representing themselves

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 You know no

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 politician or no

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 Party, I mean the problem is

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 You have elections that happen every four years, right? So you're allowed

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 I mean over there you've got the midterms as well

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 But you're allowed to pretty much run unfettered for that period of time

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 Whereas in any other job that you're in you'd have probably an annual review to see how you're doing to see

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 Whether you know there are things that need to happen. You don't get that you get in you've got four years

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 Go for it. Do whatever you like at the end of the four years. We'll have another

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 Catch up again about what you should do

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 It doesn't happen in any other industry. So that should be changed. There should be some sort of

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 performance review against your KP eyes

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 exactly what you should be achieving and

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 Your you know what you go into an election talking about that you're going to achieve

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 You need to be graded against whether you achieved it or not because that was the platform on which you were voted in on exactly

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 so if you if you if you don't fulfill that but you just

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 Said what you said to get in but don't follow through that cannot be something that gets rewarded

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 And yet there are no consequences to doing that until the next election comes around

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 So, you know there there there are so many holes in this

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 It's hard to find politicians and I've seen it here too. Like, you know in our Parliament here

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 I see both sides going at each other. It feels like

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 kindergarten, you know

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 it feels like kids just throwing chairs around and slanging at each other and then they might recognize the

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 Dignitary in the gallery and welcome them from such-and-such country and they're all respectful and then they get back to hurling

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 insults at each other it's just a crazy situation and

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 As you say we've allowed it to get to this stage because we feel helpless

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 What are we going to do and the rules that govern their behavior?

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 Well, that's legislation that they're responsible for creating so it feels a little bit of a conflict of interest

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 You know, they're the the cop and the judge all at the same time, so, you know, I don't know

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 Yep, I I think I we all throw our hands up

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 Really do that's why I say the real really the yeah, I'd love to say we could solve it today

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 We could all come together and we could lobby and we can make and I mean that's what elections are supposed to be for

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 But at the end of the day, I don't see any real major change happening until we implement

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 Something like what I'm saying in the education system and bring up the next generations to think differently

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 You know most of us were too far gone. It's so I'm sorry to say that, you know, we're we're set in our ways

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 we've got our views of the world and we dig in on them because

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 We believe they're right and that's it and it's hard to shift from that. I think we need

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 almost a blank slate of

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 the next generation to come in and be

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 brought up

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 Understanding that hey this world is not no one owns this world, right?

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 We're merely tenants on it for a short period of time yet this

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 this

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 Scarcity mindset of this is mine. This is yours. You can't have this. It's crazy

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 I mean, it's like if Elon Musk gets to Mars does he now own Mars?

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 Is that it it's his then and he can then pass it down to his kids and that's it

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 Is that what happens? I don't think we're looking at the world as

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 Humanity it's just me versus you and that

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 It's not it's not good for anyone. Well, it's good for some but that needs to change

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 Yeah, but I I'm not disagreeing with you. But how do we come to this utopian society?

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 I mean, I understand it's gonna be a multi-generational effort

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 But you know, how do you rewire people's?

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 Basic beliefs

424
00:33:43.430 --> 00:33:49.470
 For example, you know and even when when we want to get down to it religions

425
00:33:50.150 --> 00:33:54.850
 You know a lot a lot of culture a lot a lot of other societies their their morality

426
00:33:54.850 --> 00:34:00.730
 what they believe and what they feel held accountable to is based on the religion and you know

427
00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:05.090
 There are very much many different religions that have different ways of looking at things

428
00:34:05.090 --> 00:34:07.590
 There are some that share very basic principles

429
00:34:08.550 --> 00:34:14.480
 But the interpretation of man then takes those and they turn them into either extreme ideologies or

430
00:34:15.170 --> 00:34:19.110
 Even if we just talk about Christianity so many different denominations and sex and etc

431
00:34:19.110 --> 00:34:22.340
 So how do we how do we train people?

432
00:34:23.110 --> 00:34:31.130
 To be able to look past that because I think that's gonna be the one barrier, you know geography also obviously your what's around you

433
00:34:31.130 --> 00:34:32.010
 but

434
00:34:32.010 --> 00:34:35.670
 Your environment, but how are we gonna train people to get around?

435
00:34:37.870 --> 00:34:41.010
 Those religious hurdles no, no, I'm not anti religious per se

436
00:34:41.010 --> 00:34:45.330
 But we do have to look at it from an objective point of view that that is a hurdle

437
00:34:45.330 --> 00:34:51.449
 That is one of the things that is dividing people and we're not gonna get this utopian society if we can't get past that

438
00:34:51.449 --> 00:34:54.110
 But what would you suggest in that case?

439
00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:59.070
 Well, look, I mean from the point of view of religion. I you know

440
00:34:59.690 --> 00:35:01.890
 Religion can exist quite happily

441
00:35:02.490 --> 00:35:04.550
 Concurrently with the philosophy, right?

442
00:35:04.550 --> 00:35:09.590
 They're not at odds with each other and many religions espouse

443
00:35:09.590 --> 00:35:15.310
 You know that you should treat your fellow man in a good way and you know, we should do that

444
00:35:15.850 --> 00:35:22.030
 The problem is it's it's like having a mission statement and you know framed up on the wall

445
00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:23.830
 This is what our company stands for

446
00:35:23.830 --> 00:35:27.310
 This is what we do and yet in the day-to-day running of it, you know

447
00:35:27.310 --> 00:35:34.190
 People are just taking you know each other for granted and whatever so right it is human nature

448
00:35:34.190 --> 00:35:36.030
 That we

449
00:35:36.030 --> 00:35:37.630
 We don't

450
00:35:37.630 --> 00:35:38.890
 You know we

451
00:35:38.890 --> 00:35:42.810
 It's like watching I watched David Attenborough

452
00:35:42.810 --> 00:35:49.050
 documentaries and watch nature and the world's incredible, but then you get back to normal life and it's like

453
00:35:49.050 --> 00:35:52.350
 You move on and you get back to what you have to do, right?

454
00:35:52.390 --> 00:35:58.510
 And the problem is that we we're not mindful enough. We're not we don't keep it at the forefront of our mind

455
00:35:59.210 --> 00:36:04.170
 About what it means to be a good human all the time, right? We just get caught up

456
00:36:04.190 --> 00:36:04.970
 and

457
00:36:05.550 --> 00:36:08.010
 unfortunately, those things are

458
00:36:08.010 --> 00:36:10.990
 reinforced to us so I

459
00:36:10.990 --> 00:36:13.370
 the example I give in the book is

460
00:36:14.430 --> 00:36:18.830
 say a bank that offers a credit card and

461
00:36:19.790 --> 00:36:21.950
 For new clients, they'll offer

462
00:36:21.950 --> 00:36:25.130
 0% you know for six months 12 months

463
00:36:25.130 --> 00:36:31.990
 Whatever it is if you bring your balance over to us and yet the person who's been with that bank for 20 years

464
00:36:31.990 --> 00:36:33.870
 And has been a loyal client

465
00:36:34.190 --> 00:36:36.730
 Still keeps paying the standard interest rate

466
00:36:36.730 --> 00:36:43.870
 Now we understand in the current model why that is because the bank values bringing on new business

467
00:36:43.870 --> 00:36:48.750
 So, you know, they're prepared to offer a deal to get new clients

468
00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:53.670
 But the human value is loyalty loyalty should be rewarded

469
00:36:53.670 --> 00:36:59.050
 So maybe it should be that the longer you've been with the bank the better the deal that you get

470
00:36:59.050 --> 00:37:02.470
 But we don't we don't see that happening. We see

471
00:37:02.470 --> 00:37:07.090
 I need more profits and in order to do that we need more clients

472
00:37:07.090 --> 00:37:12.870
 So let's give the incentive to the new clients and not worry about our old existing clients

473
00:37:13.430 --> 00:37:16.590
 That is a real conflict between what we know

474
00:37:17.030 --> 00:37:22.490
 is a human value that we we value loyalty and yet because of

475
00:37:23.350 --> 00:37:24.630
 profitability and

476
00:37:24.630 --> 00:37:30.070
 Shareholders and all that sort of thing we go in a different direction and that I talk about that in the book

477
00:37:30.070 --> 00:37:33.190
 Because our true north versus magnetic north approach

478
00:37:33.190 --> 00:37:37.830
 We know what true north is, but we're often pulled in a different direction

479
00:37:37.830 --> 00:37:41.690
 and while the world's thing still keeps operating in that

480
00:37:42.590 --> 00:37:45.310
 slightly left of center approach

481
00:37:45.910 --> 00:37:49.610
 We're not going to be able to resolve a lot of these things because we're not

482
00:37:49.970 --> 00:37:52.630
 Staying true to what it means to be human

483
00:37:53.350 --> 00:37:55.530
 It feels like the powers that be though

484
00:37:55.530 --> 00:38:01.330
 You know that the world is that we live in is has been designed intentionally to keep us distracted from

485
00:38:01.850 --> 00:38:06.470
 You know getting over that hurdle for example if you're a real cynic george

486
00:38:06.470 --> 00:38:11.870
 You might say the illuminati has created the world in such a way that we're all running on the hamster wheel

487
00:38:11.870 --> 00:38:14.810
 to keep so busy that we don't have time to

488
00:38:15.770 --> 00:38:19.110
 Question anything while some people are living a really good life

489
00:38:19.110 --> 00:38:20.390
 I don't know if it's the illuminati

490
00:38:20.390 --> 00:38:23.730
 But I mean you do see examples of that if we want to get conspiratorial

491
00:38:23.730 --> 00:38:28.910
 But I mean just going back the education system based on the industrial revolution to where it's grind away

492
00:38:28.910 --> 00:38:31.760
 Put your hours in and produce this to get that

493
00:38:33.170 --> 00:38:34.970
 That's still in place

494
00:38:35.640 --> 00:38:38.930
 You know the constant barrage of media telling you what you're supposed to think

495
00:38:38.930 --> 00:38:44.210
 I mean you can see systems in place that will affect you as a human being psychologically to

496
00:38:44.810 --> 00:38:47.290
 Veer towards one way of living versus the other

497
00:38:47.970 --> 00:38:51.010
 It's very evident now. I'm not saying there is like you said an illuminati

498
00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:52.530
 I know I know we're just being facetious here

499
00:38:52.530 --> 00:38:56.610
 But at the same time you kind of do get the sense that there is something out there

500
00:38:56.990 --> 00:39:02.910
 When we're talking in in the terms that we are now in achieving a better humanity a better better world

501
00:39:02.910 --> 00:39:09.390
 Like it doesn't sound like it's that hard, but with everything around us and how we keep so busy and distracted

502
00:39:09.970 --> 00:39:11.730
 It it kind of is hard

503
00:39:11.730 --> 00:39:13.710
 to to move forward

504
00:39:13.710 --> 00:39:16.370
 Because now you're talking about loss of income

505
00:39:16.370 --> 00:39:20.190
 You're talking about a lot of things that you would have to sacrifice to make this work. So

506
00:39:20.190 --> 00:39:26.510
 Maybe that is exactly why it would be multi-generational. We would have to get away old ways of thinking out of our system to be able

507
00:39:26.510 --> 00:39:27.130
 To do that

508
00:39:27.710 --> 00:39:33.470
 But at the same time we'd have to change everything about society and as you said, what is success?

509
00:39:34.090 --> 00:39:35.550
 For us to be able to do that

510
00:39:35.550 --> 00:39:37.450
 So, you know, i'm sure

511
00:39:38.030 --> 00:39:42.090
 It does sound like a big conspiracy conspiracy, but it's it's like it's not

512
00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:48.930
 You can't just ignore that it does seem like there is systems or there are systems in place that that keep us where we're at

513
00:39:48.930 --> 00:39:52.150
 To a degree a hundred percent and you look at it

514
00:39:52.150 --> 00:39:59.270
 You know someone who goes to work every day works 40 50 hours a week clocks in does their job comes back home

515
00:39:59.270 --> 00:40:04.490
 How are they ever going to get ahead? You know, you've got other people who are just um

516
00:40:05.370 --> 00:40:10.170
 You know, you're an influencer all of a sudden people are paying you money to do

517
00:40:10.790 --> 00:40:16.530
 Whatever and then you know from that it leads to other things and you get this and then you get that and then

518
00:40:16.530 --> 00:40:18.430
 People are throwing things at you

519
00:40:19.310 --> 00:40:26.110
 You know, how does the average joe just get ahead and just be able to have a decent life?

520
00:40:26.430 --> 00:40:29.050
 As you say they just kept busy

521
00:40:29.050 --> 00:40:36.330
 You know, and so a lot of people are just spending their lives keeping busy. They're not really having a life. They're

522
00:40:36.330 --> 00:40:38.830
 You know, they're existing. They're not really living

523
00:40:39.450 --> 00:40:46.130
 And and I question whether that's a good thing for society to be allowing to happen because

524
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:47.710
 I'm sorry, you know

525
00:40:47.710 --> 00:40:51.890
 I was going to say because when one of us suffers we all suffer

526
00:40:51.890 --> 00:40:52.830
 Right

527
00:40:52.830 --> 00:40:58.990
 So that unfortunately we don't see that we just stay in our own lane and go well i'm doing well

528
00:40:58.990 --> 00:41:02.450
 Thank you, and that's all I need to worry about but the truth is

529
00:41:02.450 --> 00:41:08.710
 If some parts of society are suffering it has an impact and a flow on to all of us

530
00:41:08.710 --> 00:41:13.170
 You know some people aren't doing so well just because I live in a mansion

531
00:41:13.170 --> 00:41:18.510
 Doesn't mean that i'm not going to get broken into and people are going to come in and you know

532
00:41:18.510 --> 00:41:23.730
 Commit an aggravated burglary on me because they're doing it tough or whatever it is that's going on

533
00:41:23.730 --> 00:41:26.730
 You can't live with blinkers on and just say

534
00:41:26.730 --> 00:41:33.190
 I'm successful. I'm living the good life and that's all that really matters now some people

535
00:41:33.190 --> 00:41:38.970
 In those positions will be donating to charity and doing some good work there

536
00:41:38.970 --> 00:41:42.070
 My only issue with that is that's great

537
00:41:42.610 --> 00:41:49.950
 But why do we live in a society that needs charity to still happen when there is so much around us that if it was

538
00:41:50.450 --> 00:41:55.190
 Distributed more equitably we may not need charity to be in place

539
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:03.620
 We're not to figure out how to distribute things equitably though and at what level what threshold again

540
00:42:03.620 --> 00:42:08.140
 That's the will to distribute we could now right we have we have the resources

541
00:42:08.140 --> 00:42:09.040
 They're all there

542
00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:15.020
 And we're choosing to put them where we want to put them and to give it to who we want to give it to

543
00:42:15.020 --> 00:42:19.260
 That's the problem. It's one of will it's not one of resources

544
00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:23.320
 Right. No resources there, but we'd have as you said we have to rewrite everything

545
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:26.540
 Like how do we decide these resources get distributed?

546
00:42:27.460 --> 00:42:32.140
 That's why I say it's not something that we in our generation. No, no, no, no

547
00:42:32.140 --> 00:42:37.500
 I'm just talking theoretically here openly about this because it's like we'd have to get rid of

548
00:42:38.220 --> 00:42:45.040
 The idea of maybe commerce or bar or go back to a barter system or just realize everybody gets a basic level of needs met

549
00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:50.760
 Well, think think of money think of money george money is a man-made construct, right?

550
00:42:51.040 --> 00:42:58.000
 We've said that this piece of plastic or paper or whatever holds value when intrinsically there's no value in it, right?

551
00:42:58.140 --> 00:43:01.720
 We've decided it holds value the same thing with gold, right?

552
00:43:01.720 --> 00:43:05.660
 We've said it hold I could go and pull gold out of the ground today

553
00:43:05.660 --> 00:43:12.420
 It cost me nothing here it is and I say now this is a piece of earth that I took out

554
00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:17.800
 It's only because society now says this has value that it has value

555
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.580
 So we are we are creating

556
00:43:21.100 --> 00:43:21.700
 things

557
00:43:23.750 --> 00:43:29.050
 And we are deciding that certain things are valuable certain things are not valuable

558
00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:33.850
 And some people can have access to them and some people can't it feels very arbitrary

559
00:43:33.850 --> 00:43:41.870
 Right. These are these are man-made decisions the same with borders and countries. All right, let's get let's get into this. Let's

560
00:43:41.870 --> 00:43:44.530
 You know borders are man-made things

561
00:43:44.530 --> 00:43:50.130
 They don't exist unless you're living on an island and then you're obviously surrounded by a natural border

562
00:43:50.130 --> 00:43:54.210
 Right. The planet really is nobody's planet, right?

563
00:43:54.390 --> 00:44:01.450
 We it is just where we happen to live and yet so much happens because of

564
00:44:01.450 --> 00:44:06.270
 Where you happen to be born and what your life looks like because of that

565
00:44:06.270 --> 00:44:10.610
 And for me, it's quite sad that some people will live a life

566
00:44:10.610 --> 00:44:14.530
 of poverty and hunger and everything else

567
00:44:14.890 --> 00:44:22.570
 Through no fault of their own but just because of where their parents were when they were born and that's their life now

568
00:44:22.570 --> 00:44:23.850
 and

569
00:44:24.390 --> 00:44:29.510
 You know we fight over that and the huge discussion about immigration now globally

570
00:44:30.030 --> 00:44:31.810
 You know it feels

571
00:44:33.110 --> 00:44:33.710
 That

572
00:44:33.710 --> 00:44:38.590
 Again that whole scarcity thing. This is mine. That's yours

573
00:44:38.590 --> 00:44:42.350
 you have that this is mine and that thing that

574
00:44:43.210 --> 00:44:50.570
 We say is through necessity. We want to keep our borders strong. We want to look after our own and do all of that

575
00:44:50.570 --> 00:44:57.530
 I still have to question that what what is looking after our own mean? Does it just mean the people that are

576
00:44:57.530 --> 00:45:01.130
 Our people our people not humans

577
00:45:01.930 --> 00:45:06.850
 Again, it's why are we doing this? We do this because of this

578
00:45:07.450 --> 00:45:12.910
 It goes back to our primitive selves, you know, it's that me versus you mentality and

579
00:45:13.830 --> 00:45:17.690
 You know, I don't know if we'll ever see beyond that

580
00:45:18.150 --> 00:45:18.990
 but again

581
00:45:18.990 --> 00:45:21.370
 I believe if we have

582
00:45:21.370 --> 00:45:27.410
 Children who are raised to see everyone as equal everyone is a every human is a miracle

583
00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:34.930
 You know is a natural miracle that we're even existing here if we start seeing life through that lens

584
00:45:34.930 --> 00:45:41.930
 Then we start to see things differently. We don't see people as just statistics. We don't see them as

585
00:45:42.650 --> 00:45:46.270
 Problems we see them as humans and then we start to think differently

586
00:45:48.520 --> 00:45:50.460
 so the

587
00:45:51.500 --> 00:45:52.180
 the

588
00:45:52.180 --> 00:45:56.780
 Examples I don't disagree with if we're just looking at this from an objective

589
00:45:56.780 --> 00:45:59.460
 View point like humans being humans

590
00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:01.220
 I completely agree

591
00:46:01.820 --> 00:46:03.720
 But a lot of a lot of what's going on

592
00:46:03.720 --> 00:46:10.760
 Now we're we're man supposedly elevated from most animals. But if you even look at nature, there's a pecking order

593
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:15.360
 There's a way of things that should be done. There are weaker. There are stronger. There are leaders

594
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:23.860
 You look at wolves lions. I mean they're almost anything any animal, you know ants termites. It's just what it is even bees

595
00:46:24.460 --> 00:46:26.140
 But when we're talking about the border thing

596
00:46:26.780 --> 00:46:28.860
 I'm not going to get crazy on this to be honest

597
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:34.140
 I'm just good. I'm just going to address one thing about that is I think I think where that comes from is exactly

598
00:46:34.140 --> 00:46:36.340
 you know where

599
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.200
 We kind of model nature to a degree and i'm not talking about money

600
00:46:40.200 --> 00:46:46.680
 I'm not talking about weapons any of that but we kind of group together and we create this society that we build

601
00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:50.280
 And then once we build it, I think we want to protect that

602
00:46:50.860 --> 00:46:54.260
 You know you create certain things like your customs your languages, etc

603
00:46:54.260 --> 00:46:59.960
 Now the idea of open borders and and looking at immigration or immigrants is bad

604
00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:05.700
 I don't believe people are necessarily bad, but we do have a problem with what you said in the beginning, which is respect

605
00:47:05.700 --> 00:47:08.920
 And if we're not going to have people immigrate

606
00:47:10.060 --> 00:47:15.860
 And we could have open arms, for example, but if the people coming in don't have the same

607
00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:19.680
 Viewpoint in terms not not necessarily the same as that culture

608
00:47:19.680 --> 00:47:27.540
 But respect for what was already there and not trying to instill what they are to change everything around them to suit them

609
00:47:27.540 --> 00:47:29.380
 See, that's a different problem

610
00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:35.360
 But if we come into it together with respect and realize great I could learn something from you you could learn something from me

611
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:42.400
 But when you have people just going in and trying to change everything that you are and everything that you know and you built up

612
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:47.040
 That's not learning from each other. That's not teaching that's invading that's different

613
00:47:47.680 --> 00:47:55.120
 So, of course people are going to have a viewpoint of being defensive and protective because they feel they're losing something they're feeling

614
00:47:55.120 --> 00:47:59.620
 That everything that I know and have been taught doesn't mean that there are bad people

615
00:47:59.620 --> 00:48:00.400
 They could have been open

616
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:06.080
 But they got a bad taste in mouth because they weren't treated with the same respect that was expected of them to accept these people

617
00:48:06.640 --> 00:48:11.300
 And that's the issue that I think it is it's not just resources, you know man's going to be man

618
00:48:11.300 --> 00:48:16.060
 There's always going to be some corrupt asshole out there that wants to make more money rule people, etc

619
00:48:16.060 --> 00:48:21.100
 I mean, I wish we can just root that out of everybody and we could look at things

620
00:48:21.100 --> 00:48:27.980
 Like you said from a level of respect to where even if we do have borders, it's it's more accepting of people

621
00:48:27.980 --> 00:48:33.260
 To work together visit each other learn from each other from a mutual level of respect

622
00:48:33.260 --> 00:48:35.240
 rather than

623
00:48:35.240 --> 00:48:37.380
 From a viewpoint of entitlement

624
00:48:37.900 --> 00:48:40.520
 That's that's the problem. That's my opinion

625
00:48:41.300 --> 00:48:47.360
 Yeah, and look i'm not saying we should have open borders necessarily but what i'm saying is

626
00:48:47.780 --> 00:48:49.220
 whilst we have

627
00:48:50.600 --> 00:48:57.120
 Whilst we don't have that view that you've just talked about and you've articulated that very well is that

628
00:48:57.580 --> 00:48:59.560
 That should exist everywhere

629
00:48:59.560 --> 00:49:04.840
 Right so that a lot of the people in those other countries that want to migrate

630
00:49:05.560 --> 00:49:08.600
 Already have a decent life over there

631
00:49:08.600 --> 00:49:11.740
 And say it's not about well, you know

632
00:49:11.740 --> 00:49:17.660
 I'm coming from something horrible and i'm going to come into yours and now we're going to establish our own little thing

633
00:49:17.660 --> 00:49:21.820
 It's like well, hang on if everyone has a good life everywhere in the world

634
00:49:21.820 --> 00:49:27.800
 There's probably not the need to move right a lot of these people wouldn't need to cross the border

635
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.800
 If life was decent enough where they were to begin with

636
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.280
 And so that's why i'm saying this isn't an us versus them

637
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:40.500
 This is a global issue that needs to be resolved we need to have good

638
00:49:42.060 --> 00:49:49.760
 Quality of life for everyone everywhere and then it's no longer about this is me and that's you no, it's us

639
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:53.760
 Because we're now responsible for each other. We're not just

640
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:59.320
 Thinking only of ourselves. Yeah, and I think that's what's lacking at the moment. We don't

641
00:49:59.900 --> 00:50:03.560
 You know, you've got the different governments. You've got the different religions

642
00:50:03.560 --> 00:50:05.520
 You've got the different viewpoints

643
00:50:06.270 --> 00:50:08.040
 But at the end of the day

644
00:50:08.040 --> 00:50:10.860
 Those aren't necessarily the people

645
00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:16.360
 Right the people who are struggling to live have to live within those particular

646
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:24.750
 Ecosystems and it's those ecosystems that i'm talking about that are keeping them down that are keeping them

647
00:50:26.200 --> 00:50:32.850
 Homeless poor living a life that is lacking any meaning when all you've got to do is

648
00:50:32.850 --> 00:50:39.970
 Struggle to survive you can't even climb maslow's hierarchy and try and have some of those higher

649
00:50:42.050 --> 00:50:48.150
 Things happen in your life, there's no way you can self-actualize when you're still trying to have food and clothing

650
00:50:48.750 --> 00:50:49.350
 so

651
00:50:49.350 --> 00:50:51.750
 If that was the case globally

652
00:50:52.610 --> 00:51:00.690
 Then I guarantee you migration would be a very different thing. It wouldn't be we have to so we can live it would be

653
00:51:00.690 --> 00:51:02.830
 We'd like to because it would be

654
00:51:03.550 --> 00:51:10.570
 For this other reason not because we're just trying to survive. Yes, and that's what i'm saying that that

655
00:51:10.570 --> 00:51:11.250
 immigration

656
00:51:12.050 --> 00:51:19.890
 Migration is something yes right now in the world that we live in it's going to be contentious and it's going to be

657
00:51:19.890 --> 00:51:23.850
 No, we've got to keep our borders closed. We've got to keep our people safe

658
00:51:23.850 --> 00:51:28.430
 And so very much that tribal mentality and that you know that goes back a long way

659
00:51:29.070 --> 00:51:29.670
 But

660
00:51:29.670 --> 00:51:33.010
 We've got to see each other also as one big tribe

661
00:51:33.730 --> 00:51:39.990
 And if we do that then we start the whole world will everything will change when that happens

662
00:51:39.990 --> 00:51:44.810
 The question is how do we get to that point where we can have that kind of?

663
00:51:45.870 --> 00:51:46.510
 global

664
00:51:46.510 --> 00:51:49.550
 view of everything not because

665
00:51:50.090 --> 00:51:56.710
 We can access resources from this country, but because it's just good for everyone to be doing well

666
00:51:57.570 --> 00:52:00.270
 I don't disagree with what you said. I

667
00:52:00.270 --> 00:52:01.190
 Literally believe it or not

668
00:52:01.190 --> 00:52:05.870
 I have the same view you do like if everybody was able to live on an equal level

669
00:52:05.870 --> 00:52:08.770
 In terms of resources like you say if they all had a good life

670
00:52:08.770 --> 00:52:12.010
 They wouldn't feel the need to abandon where they are. They would love their home

671
00:52:12.010 --> 00:52:13.290
 They would love to be where they're at

672
00:52:13.290 --> 00:52:17.450
 And I think that if you wanted to migrate or live somewhere else like for me

673
00:52:17.450 --> 00:52:22.910
 It's the example I would say is like well, I prefer living by the ocean rather than the desert for example

674
00:52:24.070 --> 00:52:25.230
 It may just come down to that

675
00:52:25.230 --> 00:52:31.710
 You just want a different environment and that's acceptable to me as long as you know, wherever you go you just we just live respectfully together

676
00:52:32.950 --> 00:52:36.130
 And it's true. I mean look you and I could have been born in sierra leone

677
00:52:36.130 --> 00:52:40.750
 We could have been born in the congo. We could have been born in nigeria kenya like

678
00:52:41.190 --> 00:52:44.030
 Any of these other places where it is much harder to live?

679
00:52:44.590 --> 00:52:49.050
 But what we're also ignoring here that was this I think the average person

680
00:52:49.050 --> 00:52:51.150
 The average person is good

681
00:52:51.150 --> 00:52:54.530
 Like I think they want what you're saying and they they understand it

682
00:52:54.530 --> 00:52:57.570
 But we're not addressing evil. There are people that are just evil

683
00:52:57.570 --> 00:52:58.610
 There's evil in this world

684
00:52:58.610 --> 00:53:05.130
 And they will impose their will on others that are viewed as weaker so they could maintain power and control

685
00:53:05.650 --> 00:53:12.110
 Some can say our governments are literally nothing but systems put in place to keep people, you know in subjugation

686
00:53:12.110 --> 00:53:14.510
 So but see evil can flourish

687
00:53:14.510 --> 00:53:19.010
 When we allow it to and enable it to and I think that's the floor in the system

688
00:53:19.010 --> 00:53:22.210
 the system allows those people to

689
00:53:23.030 --> 00:53:30.450
 To you know graduate to those levels where they have that sphere of influence and power and we allow them

690
00:53:30.450 --> 00:53:35.690
 You know some people to have billions and billions and billions of dollars and other people to have nothing and you go

691
00:53:35.690 --> 00:53:40.270
 Okay, do you need billions and billions of dollars? Right, but it could also not just be money

692
00:53:40.270 --> 00:53:45.550
 It could be resources like what if the leader of a village decides he's going to control all the food in the water

693
00:53:46.290 --> 00:53:47.250
 Yeah, right

694
00:53:47.970 --> 00:53:51.990
 It could be down to just basic necessities of life that are controlled

695
00:53:52.610 --> 00:53:54.550
 and you know

696
00:53:54.550 --> 00:53:57.910
 Evil. Yeah. Okay. We we allow it you could say that we allow it

697
00:53:57.910 --> 00:54:00.150
 But we can't control who wants to cause harm

698
00:54:00.150 --> 00:54:09.150
 We cannot objectively control who wants to try to hurt other people and keep them under control and use them as literal assets to

699
00:54:09.150 --> 00:54:14.050
 But we can have checks and balances when they do. Yes, so it goes back to what we were talking about earlier

700
00:54:15.150 --> 00:54:18.650
 How do the people realize they have control and keep them accountable?

701
00:54:18.650 --> 00:54:24.190
 Well, the people have control right now, right they do if you you know, we we could take over

702
00:54:26.030 --> 00:54:33.370
 Who's the majority the government or no exactly that's that's that that's that is the issue, right?

703
00:54:34.350 --> 00:54:36.390
 Yeah, but we don't we don't

704
00:54:36.390 --> 00:54:38.950
 We don't view it that way because the system

705
00:54:38.950 --> 00:54:43.730
 Well, you know the government says then they've got the military then they've got the the guard

706
00:54:44.350 --> 00:54:48.570
 Police they've got all those forces. So we'll we better just keep our heads down

707
00:54:48.650 --> 00:54:53.890
 So but and look that's what happened. Look what happened in the arab spring, you know

708
00:54:53.890 --> 00:54:57.020
 All those countries all those leaders overthrown so

709
00:54:57.390 --> 00:55:03.350
 It can happen. We don't see it so much in the western world. We wouldn't do what what's happened in those

710
00:55:04.020 --> 00:55:07.630
 In those other countries, but certainly we do have that

711
00:55:07.630 --> 00:55:11.990
 Control and it's only because of us that those people are in the position that they're in

712
00:55:11.990 --> 00:55:13.690
 right, so

713
00:55:13.690 --> 00:55:15.030
 We need

714
00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:19.010
 I don't know. Yeah, when I look at the leaders of today, I feel

715
00:55:20.070 --> 00:55:25.290
 I don't know. I feel something's really missing. We don't really have I mean we've got

716
00:55:25.570 --> 00:55:30.190
 Charismatic people but charismatic for good and bad reasons as well

717
00:55:30.490 --> 00:55:33.950
 Do we have people that are really trying to?

718
00:55:35.150 --> 00:55:38.070
 Level up the world and I you know

719
00:55:38.530 --> 00:55:40.530
 Unfortunately power corrupts

720
00:55:40.530 --> 00:55:44.910
 Right you get in there i've seen a lot of politicians who come into politics

721
00:55:45.490 --> 00:55:50.110
 With all these ideals and you know, they want to change the world and improve it

722
00:55:50.110 --> 00:55:56.410
 But then they get chewed up by the machine and they get spat out and if you don't toe the party line

723
00:55:56.410 --> 00:56:00.070
 Well, you're not going to have any career progression with us. You're done

724
00:56:00.690 --> 00:56:02.970
 so, you know the system

725
00:56:02.970 --> 00:56:04.690
 forces you to conform

726
00:56:05.250 --> 00:56:10.150
 and that conformity is dangerous and that's what leads to

727
00:56:11.370 --> 00:56:17.730
 This need to constantly be trying to retain power and that's that's what it is

728
00:56:17.730 --> 00:56:25.390
 It's not about i'll cross the floor because of a philosophical difference that I have or i'm going to stand up for something

729
00:56:25.390 --> 00:56:28.270
 Because you know there will be repercussions

730
00:56:29.010 --> 00:56:30.790
 Yeah, they're not going to let go of what they have

731
00:56:30.790 --> 00:56:34.970
 You know, why would they give up the power? You know once once you like you said, you know, it corrupts

732
00:56:35.770 --> 00:56:40.810
 Corrupts absolutely, so it's like they're not going to give up their their station their status

733
00:56:42.050 --> 00:56:42.530
 Unfortunately

734
00:56:43.390 --> 00:56:45.790
 Um, I got the answers just burn it all down

735
00:56:45.790 --> 00:56:46.910
 Let's start over

736
00:56:47.570 --> 00:56:52.090
 Well, yeah, I did I think it's been done once before I think some guy called noah

737
00:56:53.110 --> 00:56:53.590
 Yeah

738
00:56:53.590 --> 00:56:57.570
 That was a factory reset. They did a big one

739
00:56:57.570 --> 00:56:58.370
 Yeah

740
00:56:58.850 --> 00:57:04.550
 So, I mean that would be the easiest way wouldn't it but then there'd be no one left to carry anything forward. So

741
00:57:04.970 --> 00:57:08.890
 I think the way really is that as I say, I think we

742
00:57:09.570 --> 00:57:11.870
 We are just too set in our ways

743
00:57:12.530 --> 00:57:14.890
 I really believe it's the

744
00:57:14.890 --> 00:57:17.630
 Kids of tomorrow who are blank slates

745
00:57:17.630 --> 00:57:19.910
 Who you know what is written?

746
00:57:20.350 --> 00:57:24.530
 For them is up to us. What do we want to instill in them?

747
00:57:24.690 --> 00:57:28.130
 What do we want them to think about and take actions on?

748
00:57:28.750 --> 00:57:31.510
 And that's really when we'll see change happen

749
00:57:32.090 --> 00:57:33.970
 until until then

750
00:57:34.690 --> 00:57:39.550
 We just keep fighting things in pockets, you know, there'll be people who are advocating for

751
00:57:40.250 --> 00:57:44.650
 You know solve homelessness solve poverty do this do that and

752
00:57:45.770 --> 00:57:47.890
 You're fighting against

753
00:57:49.670 --> 00:57:54.050
 Competing forces because not everyone thinks that way and

754
00:57:55.670 --> 00:58:00.970
 You know I feel despondent when I think about what could we do today, you know

755
00:58:00.970 --> 00:58:03.910
 Keep doing what we're doing. We keep doing the

756
00:58:04.510 --> 00:58:11.050
 We advocate we lobby we do the things we do but again, I don't think that's going to change anything for me

757
00:58:11.770 --> 00:58:12.590
 You know

758
00:58:12.590 --> 00:58:18.270
 If you wanted to advocate against domestic violence, right you could talk about how

759
00:58:18.850 --> 00:58:24.530
 You know, we could have programs for men and we can do this and that at the end of the day for me

760
00:58:25.390 --> 00:58:28.170
 Trying to treat one particular

761
00:58:28.170 --> 00:58:29.150
 problem

762
00:58:29.850 --> 00:58:33.030
 Is a missed opportunity because if we treated

763
00:58:33.710 --> 00:58:35.490
 Respect at its core

764
00:58:35.490 --> 00:58:41.950
 Then we knock out domestic violence. We knock out homelessness poverty. We knock out

765
00:58:42.530 --> 00:58:45.810
 so many things because we see respect

766
00:58:46.590 --> 00:58:52.830
 As the the number one thing to focus on we wouldn't allow these other things to happen then

767
00:58:52.830 --> 00:58:59.070
 But what happens at the moment is someone advocates for a cause for a particular thing

768
00:58:59.150 --> 00:59:00.050
 and

769
00:59:00.050 --> 00:59:07.690
 Again, I I see that that is too vertical what we need to do is have a broad understanding of respect for

770
00:59:08.090 --> 00:59:14.570
 People for animals for the planet and all of a sudden we knock out a whole lot of problems that exist

771
00:59:14.570 --> 00:59:16.210
 And until we do that

772
00:59:16.830 --> 00:59:18.950
 Through the education system

773
00:59:18.950 --> 00:59:26.510
 We're just going to continually be putting out fires all the time and you know, they just keep flaring up as soon as you put

774
00:59:26.510 --> 00:59:27.910
 one out

775
00:59:28.510 --> 00:59:30.980
 Yeah, well it does start with the education system and

776
00:59:32.170 --> 00:59:34.720
 I say the hell of it just burn it down. I'm gonna stick with that

777
00:59:36.530 --> 00:59:42.240
 Burn it down and start over. Oh my um, so let's let's talk about

778
00:59:43.450 --> 00:59:45.570
 I think we talked about most things but

779
00:59:45.570 --> 00:59:51.990
 You know getting people as as you said earlier to agree to move forward and accepting that we need to change

780
00:59:51.990 --> 00:59:55.870
 It is going to be multi-generational. Yes starts with the education system

781
00:59:55.870 --> 01:00:02.050
 And should it be a universal education system across the world? I mean there would be tweaks based on your environment, you know geography, etc

782
01:00:02.050 --> 01:00:06.210
 Right. Um, you do want to preserve certain cultures, but I think

783
01:00:06.210 --> 01:00:11.630
 Respect is the key for sure. Um, and then taking away the uh, the tools of division

784
01:00:12.270 --> 01:00:14.470
 You know really so

785
01:00:15.050 --> 01:00:19.970
 I can't argue that you know, your view is wrong because that's not what i'm here to do

786
01:00:19.970 --> 01:00:25.690
 Um, i'm i'm i'm wanting to get out of you, you know what you have discussed with me already

787
01:00:25.870 --> 01:00:27.330
 you know

788
01:00:27.330 --> 01:00:28.650
 What should we do?

789
01:00:29.050 --> 01:00:30.270
 And again, I know you don't have the answer

790
01:00:30.270 --> 01:00:35.090
 It's not like a uh mechanics guide right or an ikea guide of how to build furniture

791
01:00:35.090 --> 01:00:38.070
 Whatever like we're not going to get that. That's not a good a good example

792
01:00:38.070 --> 01:00:44.330
 But anyway, the the idea of of change I think a lot of people see that and they want that

793
01:00:44.930 --> 01:00:48.110
 I don't think we just we just don't know how to get there. We just don't know how to start

794
01:00:48.110 --> 01:00:51.350
 We just don't know how to start. That's what it is. That's the problem

795
01:00:51.350 --> 01:00:57.670
 That's what I hear from people they don't disagree with the things i'm saying they just feel helpless as to well

796
01:00:57.670 --> 01:01:00.970
 How do we do this? Right and i'm saying the how

797
01:01:00.970 --> 01:01:07.630
 Is the education system? It's not about trying to fix it today. It's not about trying to fix

798
01:01:07.630 --> 01:01:13.450
 The problems that we see today. It's about drawing a line in the sand and saying

799
01:01:13.990 --> 01:01:17.750
 If you want to have significant change happen globally

800
01:01:17.750 --> 01:01:22.450
 Do it through the education system over the next couple of decades

801
01:01:22.450 --> 01:01:27.390
 Start you'll start to see change happen immediately. So those kids

802
01:01:27.390 --> 01:01:29.270
 Who start today?

803
01:01:29.590 --> 01:01:31.610
 you know when they graduate in

804
01:01:32.450 --> 01:01:38.950
 18 years whatever it is they come out they come home to their parents who are still thinking in the old way

805
01:01:38.950 --> 01:01:41.210
 But now you've got a 25 percent shift

806
01:01:41.690 --> 01:01:46.670
 They then become the parents of the next generation now. We're up to 50 percent who have been

807
01:01:46.670 --> 01:01:52.250
 Educated in this new way of thinking it is something that will take years to happen

808
01:01:52.250 --> 01:01:54.270
 But if we start today

809
01:01:54.270 --> 01:01:56.110
 then we start to see

810
01:01:56.110 --> 01:01:58.890
 Change happen and it is about

811
01:02:00.240 --> 01:02:02.740
 it is about um

812
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:05.120
 Acknowledging that

813
01:02:05.730 --> 01:02:10.880
 We can't solve things today. These aren't quick fixes and these are big problems

814
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:14.650
 and we are so ingrained the problem is people are

815
01:02:16.370 --> 01:02:18.050
 They dig in

816
01:02:18.050 --> 01:02:22.030
 Whatever their view is they just dig in because it's their view

817
01:02:22.030 --> 01:02:25.090
 And if someone comes with an opposing view

818
01:02:25.090 --> 01:02:29.730
 It's very difficult for other people to put themselves in someone else's shoes

819
01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:34.830
 And see their point of view because they're so indoctrinated into their way of thinking

820
01:02:34.830 --> 01:02:40.590
 And that's why when I talk about the three pillars respect empathy and gratitude

821
01:02:40.590 --> 01:02:48.170
 If you don't have empathy and you can't see life through another person's lens then it's very difficult to

822
01:02:49.790 --> 01:02:52.390
 It's very difficult to

823
01:02:52.390 --> 01:02:58.350
 Shift things because you're only seeing things through your your your glasses, right?

824
01:02:58.690 --> 01:02:59.830
 And that's what I say

825
01:02:59.830 --> 01:03:03.630
 That needs to be taught. It's not going to happen overnight

826
01:03:03.630 --> 01:03:06.750
 Some I mean people have empathy a lot of people have empathy

827
01:03:06.750 --> 01:03:12.310
 And look there are some people we're not going to be able to help the narcissist the psychopaths the sociopaths

828
01:03:12.310 --> 01:03:16.540
 You know, we can't help those guys. They're still going to need to to have other

829
01:03:17.590 --> 01:03:19.650
 checks and balances for them

830
01:03:19.650 --> 01:03:21.860
 but for the majority of people who

831
01:03:22.770 --> 01:03:26.910
 And it comes back to that nature nurture argument, right when you're born

832
01:03:26.910 --> 01:03:33.230
 Are you predisposed to being mean or were you just taught to be that?

833
01:03:33.890 --> 01:03:34.030
 so

834
01:03:34.550 --> 01:03:37.970
 You know, we'll never answer that that's an ongoing thing

835
01:03:37.970 --> 01:03:43.490
 But what we can do is have an influence on the nurture aspect of it

836
01:03:43.490 --> 01:03:49.650
 Right. We we we don't necessarily have the control over the nature, but certainly from the nurture point of view

837
01:03:49.650 --> 01:03:51.670
 What is it that we can do?

838
01:03:52.410 --> 01:03:57.590
 to try and optimize the best outcome for the next generation

839
01:03:58.110 --> 01:04:00.770
 And you know leaving things to chance

840
01:04:01.650 --> 01:04:06.570
 Hoping that we'll get a good generation. I mean, that's what happens now, right they they go to school

841
01:04:06.570 --> 01:04:09.910
 They learn subject matter. They do have some socialization

842
01:04:10.510 --> 01:04:16.150
 They get some upbringing from the home environment. They get some from their peers that they hang out with

843
01:04:16.150 --> 01:04:19.470
 They get some from social media some from tv

844
01:04:19.470 --> 01:04:21.970
 so it's it's pretty much a

845
01:04:23.670 --> 01:04:23.930
 uh

846
01:04:23.930 --> 01:04:27.490
 Hope and pray shake it all up and see what comes out at the end of it

847
01:04:27.490 --> 01:04:30.690
 I'm saying maybe we need to be a little bit more prescriptive

848
01:04:31.330 --> 01:04:33.490
 in driving the direction

849
01:04:34.670 --> 01:04:35.330
 of

850
01:04:35.330 --> 01:04:38.110
 Society what what should humans?

851
01:04:38.750 --> 01:04:40.690
 entering society as adults

852
01:04:40.690 --> 01:04:45.890
 Be you know, what what do we want to give to the next generation?

853
01:04:45.990 --> 01:04:50.290
 How do we want to see the world for our kids our grandkids?

854
01:04:51.050 --> 01:04:53.230
 become and i'm saying that

855
01:04:54.050 --> 01:04:57.730
 The way it is at the moment it's benefiting some people

856
01:04:58.470 --> 01:05:01.990
 Greatly and they're not in a rush to change anything at all

857
01:05:02.290 --> 01:05:06.290
 but for a lot of people life is a struggle and

858
01:05:06.290 --> 01:05:11.850
 That should not be what life is. It's a miracle that we're here

859
01:05:13.230 --> 01:05:13.950
 the

860
01:05:13.950 --> 01:05:16.930
 The opportunity that we have

861
01:05:16.930 --> 01:05:23.210
 To do things to level up, you know, I call my book a critical upgrade for humanity

862
01:05:23.230 --> 01:05:28.550
 And you were talking before about how we follow the animal kingdom and yes

863
01:05:29.150 --> 01:05:36.050
 But now it's time to upgrade. We don't have to be animals. We don't have to just follow this hierarchy. I mean

864
01:05:36.050 --> 01:05:42.130
 We've evolved we can we can make our own food. We make our own everything, you know

865
01:05:42.130 --> 01:05:46.770
 We are so advanced and yet we're so backwards at the same time

866
01:05:46.770 --> 01:05:53.210
 And it's that that i'm saying we're missing the opportunity to truly level up as humanity and become

867
01:05:53.230 --> 01:05:55.170
 the next version of ourselves

868
01:05:55.170 --> 01:05:58.890
 I wonder how I wonder how we we we get there like

869
01:05:59.830 --> 01:06:02.070
 Compare comparing us to the animal kingdom, for example

870
01:06:03.210 --> 01:06:07.390
 Um, I did do that and I I do think we took cues from the animal kingdom, right?

871
01:06:07.870 --> 01:06:14.790
 Because as we are we were living. Yeah. Yeah, we're we're living out there as animals before we became who we are

872
01:06:15.210 --> 01:06:17.110
 As humans modern day humans anyway

873
01:06:17.110 --> 01:06:20.890
 um, but you know then there's the um

874
01:06:20.890 --> 01:06:22.150
 Then there's the other issue

875
01:06:22.730 --> 01:06:26.610
 Uh at what point see I think I think for the most part if you look at humanity

876
01:06:26.610 --> 01:06:33.050
 Even if it's social media, for example, we're looking at social media, which is one of the great dividers of being social for example

877
01:06:33.050 --> 01:06:38.250
 To be honest, and the problem is is you know, there's these rewards set in place

878
01:06:38.250 --> 01:06:41.990
 So you get these dopamine hits for getting likes you get views, etc

879
01:06:42.530 --> 01:06:44.390
 And this is modern day humanity

880
01:06:45.590 --> 01:06:48.310
 I think in the end no matter what we do

881
01:06:49.050 --> 01:06:52.330
 Humans are going to naturally look for the leader

882
01:06:53.250 --> 01:06:53.730
 like

883
01:06:53.730 --> 01:06:57.850
 By by what do we judge what we're doing against what's going to be the standard?

884
01:06:58.270 --> 01:07:04.370
 So eventually will humanity look for a leader to be put in place again or elect one or will they form a new religion?

885
01:07:04.410 --> 01:07:06.210
 And look at a new god, for example

886
01:07:06.770 --> 01:07:12.870
 That that they hold everything to be against as the standard. So at what point do we just go back?

887
01:07:13.710 --> 01:07:16.290
 In a full circle right back to where we started

888
01:07:16.890 --> 01:07:22.030
 How do we how are we going to rewire people to that level of being able to break that cycle

889
01:07:22.030 --> 01:07:29.810
 Well, look where we are now heading towards the world of ai, you know, right ai is now becoming one of those things

890
01:07:29.810 --> 01:07:33.270
 People are relying on and are going to be replaced, right?

891
01:07:33.810 --> 01:07:34.410
 well

892
01:07:35.090 --> 01:07:37.690
 I don't know about replace but certainly

893
01:07:38.430 --> 01:07:43.850
 You know anything you see now in in social media you look on facebook or anything

894
01:07:43.850 --> 01:07:46.410
 You can't believe anything anymore, right?

895
01:07:46.510 --> 01:07:54.610
 You cannot trust anything is as it is and yet people will see things and believe them to be true

896
01:07:55.130 --> 01:07:59.550
 And so our critical thinking is more important now than it's ever been

897
01:08:00.150 --> 01:08:03.610
 Um, you know, is that the new god that you know?

898
01:08:03.750 --> 01:08:09.100
 Wow, I can have a conversation with ai ai told me to do this ai, you know, it's like

899
01:08:09.830 --> 01:08:11.790
 Are we relinquishing?

900
01:08:11.790 --> 01:08:15.170
 Control because there are no real great leaders

901
01:08:15.170 --> 01:08:21.810
 Human leaders at the moment that we put that level of trust and respect in well

902
01:08:21.810 --> 01:08:26.810
 And let's let's uh, let's ask this question. I mean, you know you stated

903
01:08:26.810 --> 01:08:32.250
 Is ai the new god, you know, just you're just throwing it out there right as a statement

904
01:08:32.250 --> 01:08:35.649
 Or are we the gods creating our replacements?

905
01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:40.200
 I mean we we are the creator, right?

906
01:08:40.200 --> 01:08:43.779
 So we could have that discussion, but I mean, I don't

907
01:08:43.779 --> 01:08:45.180
 I don't know how far we'll get

908
01:08:45.180 --> 01:08:48.439
 But yeah, are we creating our own our own replacements, for example

909
01:08:49.420 --> 01:08:55.420
 Could it be with the ai or will ai remain a tool and when it comes to ai like you said, sorry

910
01:08:55.420 --> 01:09:00.120
 just a few more things but it comes to ai like you said when you're looking on social media looking on these things you're saying that

911
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:01.800
 um

912
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:03.399
 You know people can't tell the difference

913
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:09.000
 I mean, we also have to accept the fact that it is really hard now. I mean it's gotten

914
01:09:09.580 --> 01:09:10.819
 So good

915
01:09:10.819 --> 01:09:12.279
 at at producing

916
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:18.720
 Content and videos and pictures that it's getting hard and hard to decipher what is real and what isn't

917
01:09:19.660 --> 01:09:22.100
 Yeah, that's it and and so

918
01:09:22.779 --> 01:09:25.779
 You need to scrutinize everything that you see now

919
01:09:25.779 --> 01:09:33.439
 The problem is you see something and it's difficult to not believe that it is or isn't

920
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:33.960
 and

921
01:09:34.460 --> 01:09:40.479
 How do we know what's real anymore what we see in the media, you know when we're seeing reports from

922
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:48.600
 Another country about what's happening there. Is that doctored? Is it modified? Is it completely created with ai?

923
01:09:49.420 --> 01:09:52.660
 um, I think that's the challenge now is to

924
01:09:52.660 --> 01:10:00.040
 Is to how do we live in a world of ai and know what's real anymore and then the implications of those

925
01:10:01.160 --> 01:10:06.980
 Stories or fictitious things that are being created the impact that they can have on the world as well

926
01:10:06.980 --> 01:10:10.100
 You know it started off being well, you know

927
01:10:10.100 --> 01:10:15.780
 What's happening in the education system with ai people now can get all the answers that they want from ai

928
01:10:15.780 --> 01:10:17.980
 and my answer to that is

929
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:20.360
 It's not about

930
01:10:20.360 --> 01:10:23.740
 It's not about ai giving you the answers

931
01:10:23.740 --> 01:10:29.260
 It's like the old thing about when you had to do your math equations. Show me the working out

932
01:10:29.260 --> 01:10:30.340
 How did you get there?

933
01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.300
 Right like with ai it'll be well

934
01:10:33.300 --> 01:10:37.460
 What prompt did you give it to even get close to that answer?

935
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.740
 Like how was your thinking to even so we have to just adjust now

936
01:10:41.740 --> 01:10:45.520
 Instead of pretending it doesn't exist it exists it will be used

937
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:51.680
 But how did you actually come up with that prompt to even get that answer in the first because you must have had

938
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:58.560
 The thinking behind the prompt so, you know, it just we just adjust now what we're um

939
01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:02.840
 What we're um basing our um assessment on

940
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:08.380
 I think there's you know, the world is a different place you you think about now

941
01:11:08.380 --> 01:11:13.540
 We are the most connected we've ever been and yet we are the most disconnected we've ever been

942
01:11:13.540 --> 01:11:16.580
 You know what used to be our old tribal village

943
01:11:16.580 --> 01:11:19.040
 Our people who lived around us

944
01:11:19.580 --> 01:11:24.720
 Everyone now drives into their garage locks their door turns on their security cameras

945
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:29.140
 Everyone's siloed living alone in their own place and we

946
01:11:29.460 --> 01:11:36.140
 We fear for the people, you know who live around us, you know, are they like us? Are they not like us?

947
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:43.660
 That village mentality is gone in some ways. It's migrated online now, you know, we lock ourselves into our homes

948
01:11:43.660 --> 01:11:49.900
 but we will congregate online now and what has that done for society with

949
01:11:50.620 --> 01:11:57.240
 People that we don't get to socialize and mix with that maybe are not our friends group

950
01:11:57.240 --> 01:11:59.820
 And maybe a different than us

951
01:11:59.820 --> 01:12:05.530
 But we used to be more tolerant because we would still mingle with those people now. We don't need to

952
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:07.420
 well in

953
01:12:07.420 --> 01:12:14.340
 Good points and and when we're talking about um, I'm gonna circle back to the information narratives media

954
01:12:15.020 --> 01:12:15.680
 um

955
01:12:16.320 --> 01:12:23.120
 I've always said this literally, you know, I I believe people live on the surface of information and and the problem is people will see

956
01:12:23.120 --> 01:12:30.420
 A headline believe it move on they're not corroborating stories and reports. They're not cross-referencing any of that

957
01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:34.400
 They're just like oh that happened. That's what it is. That's what i'm believing. I'm just moving on

958
01:12:34.980 --> 01:12:38.500
 Back to education. Are they teaching critical thinking? No

959
01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:43.400
 And and then with with social media, for example, how it's how it's being able to separate us

960
01:12:43.980 --> 01:12:45.320
 Is it's like

961
01:12:46.020 --> 01:12:50.520
 It's kind of like the whole uh, you know fire hose theory like we could drink out of a garden hose

962
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:54.720
 I think but if you take a fire hose without that volume of water and pressure forget it

963
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:57.920
 You know if you if you want to stay in the way of that you might drown yourself trying

964
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:02.540
 And and I don't think people know what to do with everything coming at them. They don't know how to process it

965
01:13:02.540 --> 01:13:05.640
 Like we're not meant to take all of this in the way that we are

966
01:13:06.040 --> 01:13:08.720
 Uh, we do got to get back to community like, you know what we're doing right now

967
01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:13.380
 We're having a conversation about philosophy, correct? We're being theoretical. We're discussing ideas

968
01:13:13.400 --> 01:13:17.240
 And a lot of people don't do this because they don't want to offend each other

969
01:13:18.080 --> 01:13:20.000
 we're taught to stay in this box because

970
01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.700
 I don't want to offend you because I have an opinion that you're going to disagree with

971
01:13:24.480 --> 01:13:28.360
 And i've seen too often even in my day to day where people just shut you out

972
01:13:28.360 --> 01:13:31.180
 They'll just shut you down and walk away because you say one word

973
01:13:31.180 --> 01:13:33.260
 They don't want to hear what else you have to say

974
01:13:33.260 --> 01:13:37.920
 They just think that one word that's everything you are and that's all that you believe

975
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:44.720
 And I can't conversate with you like nobody wants to be very sensitive now, I mean gen z for instance

976
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:47.600
 They no one wants to offend anyone, you know, it's

977
01:13:48.220 --> 01:13:49.300
 Right. It's crazy

978
01:13:50.260 --> 01:13:52.820
 I don't know man. Listen, um

979
01:13:52.820 --> 01:13:55.440
 Tell us more about your book and where we can get it alex

980
01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:03.500
 Uh, yeah, so the book the philosophy it's available on amazon. Uh, it's available as a paperback

981
01:14:04.220 --> 01:14:06.740
 Kindle and audio book on audible

982
01:14:07.380 --> 01:14:12.640
 There's the qr code there if you want to get to the website and you can find the book there

983
01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:15.640
 Pretty easy. I'm pretty straightforward

984
01:14:16.380 --> 01:14:22.400
 Um, listen, I I really do like what you had to say. I like your ideas and your in your your outlook

985
01:14:22.400 --> 01:14:25.840
 So I hope everybody gives your book a read

986
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:32.660
 Honestly, you know, i'm sure it'll help lead them to seeing things differently or at least challenge the way they see things as it is

987
01:14:32.660 --> 01:14:34.660
 But I appreciate your time

988
01:14:34.660 --> 01:14:38.240
 I do want to stay in touch with you and maybe we'll um do this again sometime

989
01:14:39.220 --> 01:14:44.820
 Um, thanks george. I've really enjoyed the conversation as being great chatting with you, you know, and uh

990
01:14:45.500 --> 01:14:48.480
 Uh, yeah, I thought we might get a bit more like that. No, no

991
01:14:49.140 --> 01:14:56.100
 I've i've been i've been accused of being close-minded because again as you know, we talked offline you hear some of my solo episodes

992
01:14:56.100 --> 01:15:00.480
 Sure, I can definitely get that way on the politics. But in reality, you know, i'm still a human

993
01:15:00.480 --> 01:15:02.160
 You gotta look at things from a human perspective

994
01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:03.100
 So

995
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:07.280
 Yeah, it's as you said these are just discussions. They're just

996
01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:13.560
 Talking points they should spur on more thoughts and actions and that's what the whole point of it is

997
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:16.960
 Exactly. So appreciate your time. Thank you very much

998
01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:18.960
 And let's stay in touch

999
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:20.640
 Thanks george. Thank you