Feb. 23, 2025

65 - Dr. Jonathan S. Lockwood - Russian Aggression Towards Ukraine and America's Iron Dome Solution

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Join us for an insightful conversation with Dr. Jonathan S. Lockwood, a retired Army Intelligence Colonel, as he breaks down the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine through a cultural and historical lens. Drawing from his extensive military expertise, Dr. Lockwood provides a fresh perspective on the conflict’s deeper roots and dynamics. Plus, don’t miss his bold and innovative take on a unique solution to enhance America’s proposed Iron Dome defense system—a proposal that could redefine national security strategy.

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You are listening to a Fonds Media Network production.

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Welcome one of the Blades listeners. Today, I have retired

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Army Intelligence Colonel Doctor Jonathan S. Lockwood, PhDe. Doctor Lockwood

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offers his insight based on his many years of experience

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into the Ukraine Russia situation, as well as offering some

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very unique solutions that can be deployed to further strengthen

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American defenses and deploy an effective iron dome. Doctor Lockwood

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and I had an insightful conversation that I believe you

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will find very informative.

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Put that over you. What's going on in Ukraine? I

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deal with it twice a week on the Ukraine Show

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with IBMTV pod TV. We do it every Tuesday and

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every Friday. And we went about one of our podcasters,

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Yvon Kirrachenko. He is in Kiev, so he's our man

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on the spot and the host of the host of

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the podcasts uh Sasha Starr. He is based in Canada,

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but he's Ukrainian native Ukrainian and he's he lives in Canada,

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and so so I have a Ukrainian host based in

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Canada and a Ukrainian co host who's based in Kiev,

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and I'm I'm the Russia expert.

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Got it, So you have definitely gotta grass what's going

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on with the Ukraine Russia situation then. And so before

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before we go too much further in this recording, I

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got to announce your name so people actually know who

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you are. You are doctor Jonathan Lockwood, PhD.

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Yep, and you know, but you know it's you know,

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it's really striking about that. And you don't have to

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mention this to your audience, but I came into the

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army with my PhD the same year that our current

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Security Defense Hegseth was born.

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Well, we're recording, so we're just gonna let everybody know

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about that because I think I think that offers some

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unique perspective in terms of who you are in your

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experience in these matters. You know, it's it's it's it's one.

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It's one thing to be recognized, right such as you know,

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uh sec def Hegseth right now. But for someone with

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your experience with the PhD, who's actually taught, you know,

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at a university level, and you you have been leaned

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on as a subject matter expert for so long in

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your career, I mean, I think that just speaks volume.

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So for me to have you on it is awesome

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because you know, I've talked about this Russia Ukraine situation

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with many people, some YouTube famous people, some people maybe

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you know, I don't know, but also an intelligence community.

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Well here's something that can make you excited. When we

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get to the discussion about the Iron Dome.

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Yeah, I want to talk about that for sure.

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I have some unique recommendations that if the Trump administration

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hears about them and acts on them, this will be awesome.

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The thing that I'm going to be talking about the

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suggestions for making the Iron Dome work, this is the

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I am the only one in the world making these

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particular types of suggestions. No one else is. And you

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will understand why once we get into it, because I

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first introduced the concept back in my book The Russian

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View of US Strategy, which was published in nineteen ninety three,

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and the predictions that I made in that book are

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coming true now wow, which is yeah, so it's gonna it.

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This could be wild.

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Well, we're definitely, We're definitely going to get to that

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for sure. So I'm gonna put up oh In in that.

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But just because it's so hot, right now, let's start

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with the Russia Ukraine situation, because it seems as I

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had an idea of what to ask you and what

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to go over, but as we were just discussed online earlier,

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it's like it seems by the hour, almost every twenty minutes,

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there's an update as to what's going on.

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So it is a fast moving train and it's going

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to be we have to we have to jump on board,

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and the you are, we are on the We are

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at the hinge of history. Absolutely, this is a sise

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of moment in history and the great favor that this

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conflict is giving us. It is making the world more

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aware of historical precedent. Absolutely, of trying to learn the

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lessons of history. If there was ever a need to

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learn the lessons of history, this is it.

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Yeah, I agree, But it seems like at the moment

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we're kind of repeating a bit of it.

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Yep. Yeah, And they keep they people keep thinking about

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Munich nineteen thirty eight, right, and I would bring up that,

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I'll bring up that parallel, and I'll bring up what

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Churchill had to say about it.

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Well, let's actually let's get to that. Let's get to

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that point. You want to make right after, right after

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we discussed this, because I want to ask you. I

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want to ask you a question. I do get political

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on my show when I do my solo episodes, but

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I'm going to try to keep out of that. We'll

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just talk about the present for who he is and

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whatnot and stay out of right left politics for now. Right,

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So the question being, do you yourself, with all your

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experience and knowledge and everything that you've done and assess

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in these situations throughout the years, how do you feel

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about Trump being criticized for trying to negotiate with Putin?

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People are feeling that Zelensky should have a seat at

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the table with I don't think he's necessarily not going

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to be invited. But we also have to acknowledge that

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during the Biden administration, even even a little bit towards

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the end of Obamas, mostly during the Biden administration they

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kind of isolated Putin from any types of negotiations and

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only talk to him through through the ambassadorship in you

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know what, twenty twenty two, and then there was nothing

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really more from that since then. How do you feel

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about the criticism that Trump is getting for trying to

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bring Putin to the table and talk to him directly

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to find out what he would like in.

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This Well, I don't vote the president for wanting to

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reach out and bring an end to the war. The

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problem is, you can't focus on bringing the end of

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an end to the war just for the sake of

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bringing an end to the war, because you have to

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be able to guarantee the peace that follows. And the

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problem is you cannot have peace at any price, because

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if you focus on that, you can fall into the

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trap at Neville Chamberlain fell into in nineteen thirty eight,

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where he basically, in order to gain peace for our time,

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as he put it, he engaged in what is appeasement.

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You know, you gave him what he wanted and hoped

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that he would honor and not start a war as

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a result. And Winston Churchill, as we recall, he said

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to Neville Chamberlain, he said, you had a choice between

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dishonor and war. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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And it was true, and Churchill was absolutely correct. And

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now people, to their credit, various nations across the world

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are remembering that historical precedent and they are drawing parallels

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with it. And they are very concerned that the Trump

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administration may fall into the same trap in their eagerness

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to establish a peace agreement. Now President Trump wants to

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He pays very much. He is very mindful of his

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potential legacy after the end of his second term. He

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would certainly like to be remembered as a man who

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brought peace to the Russia Ukraine War. But by the

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same token, also he does not want to be remembered

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as a sucker. Yeah, someone or someone who has taken

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advantage I have played for a fool. He does not

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want that either. So I have noted that he has

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mentioned some made remarks that said that that we can't

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ford to stop supporting Ukraine or otherwise Putin will think

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he's won. And Putin apparently does seem to think that

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he is winning, although I would tend to argue with

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his rationale for it, because he is not gaining a

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decisive victory on the battlefield. He is taking horrendous casualties.

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They are largely his own fault because he overestimated the

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Russian army's own ability to essentially occupy Ukraine. He greatly

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underestimated Ukraine's will and ability to resist.

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And I agree with that point. I agree with that point.

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I have talked about this previously with another individual. And

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what is interesting though, is he's not winning the land

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battle at all. But we also have to point out

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that Putin has not unleashed the full potential of the

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Russian military either, which I have to question why. I

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don't understand it. It's above me, to be honest, it's

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beyond my comprehension as to why he's not going full force,

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other than maybe that he knows he would decimate a

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land that he wants to make part of Russia, and

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maybe he didn't want to go through the process of

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rebuilding it if he did. But what is your opinion

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on why he hasn't unleashed the full potential of the

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Russian military on Ukraine.

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Well, okay, he has. One of the things we have

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to remember is that Putin has been capitalizing on the

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fact that they have technically the world's largest nuclear arsenal.

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And the importance of the nuclear arsenal to Russia itself

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cannot be overstated because based on my research in my

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book The Russian View of US Strategy, as well as

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the previous book The Soviet View of US strategic doctrine

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and my observations of Russian behavior sent in the post

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Cold War period. For president, Russian President Boris Yelsen stated

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in a speech to the Russian Duma in nineteen ninety four,

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he stated, the only reason Russia is considered a great

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power is because its armed forces have nuclear weapons. Now,

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that statement tells you more than they practically. He practically

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gave the game away there with that statement, because during

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the Cold War as well as in the post Cold

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War period, the Russians viewed their nuclear arsenal as the

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decision not only as a symbol of their great power status,

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but as their principal means of leverage over the West,

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the implication of the growth of their view of US

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strategic doctrine. They saw it as a forced response to

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the growth of Soviet nuclear power. The implication, the more

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the Russians built their nuclear arsenal, the more the United

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States would be forced to accommodate itself to the growth

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of Soviet power. So this provided no really definable upper

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limit when it gave them a self sustaining motivation for

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building Soviet nuclear power. So that is interesting. And in

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the post Globar period they have used that as their

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principal means of leverage of trying to intimidate the West,

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relying on the Western fear of nuclear escalation in order

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to give them cover to pursue their military and political objectives.

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So this becomes a fascinating dynamic it's playing out. But

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this also reveals a potential weakness that a means for

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the that the West has not yet fully taken advantage of.

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The implications of it are clear in the success of

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the ballistic missile defense efforts in Ukraine. Ukraine has experienced

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a great deal of success with the Patriot system and

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that it had a high rate of intercept and other

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ballistic missile defense systems at least the not the lasers,

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not laser systems, but ballistic missile defense and stems that

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have been highly successful. This has great potential if it

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is properly complemented with other types of developments of the

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for example, bring in to fully create the Iron Dome

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over the United States. But it has to be done

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in a different way than Israel is doing it.

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So do you think so? Do you think that maybe

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their power is just a perceived power because of their

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nuclear armament?

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That is correct? Okay, they call their forces. It's interesting

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the Russian word that they use, they don't have an

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exact word for deterrence in the sense that we have it.

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They call they translate our word for deterrence, they translated

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as ustrashnya, which means intimidation. So they call their nuclear

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nuclear intimidation forces.

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Okay, and this is.

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Not very caught on very well in the West.

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What about what about the irishnik missile technology, the hypersonic

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missile technology? Was that just a show kind of like, hey,

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look what else we have in our arsenal because it

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seemed like it was a one time use. And it's

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been argued that the only reason that they haven't used

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more of them is because they can't afford to and

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maybe there was a financial constraint here as to also

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why they're not, you know, doing a full court press,

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as they say against Ukraine. What do you think of

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that assessment or that opinion.

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Well, it's it's probably a very sound assessment, because we

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must One of the historic weaknesses of the Russian military,

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which very clearly shown in World War Two and carrying

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through to the present still, is their logistics capability, their

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ability to supply and sustain war. I will point out

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that in World War Two the Russian logistical system was

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basically horse drawn wagons. That that that there is and

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if it were had not been for the fact that

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the United States during World War Two was supplying Russia

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with Ford trucks, that was that gave the Russian army

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a motorized logistical capability which and eventually enabled them to

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drive the Nazis out of Russia, out of out of

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Slow Union. Without that, they would have had a very

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hard time driving. The Germans would have been able to

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last a lot longer on the Eastern Front had it

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not been for the logistical capability provided by the United States.

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Now that carries over into the current situation. The Russian

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logistical capability has been very suspect. There's a lot of

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corruption in the Russian logistical system.

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They'd steal from they steal from their own system.

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Exactly right, You've got You've nailed it. So here's what

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happens because of that weakness in their logistical capability. The

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Ukrainians are fully aware of it, and so they capitalize

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on it. They are striking deep at the Russian logistical system,

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at the infrastructure and what it has shown up in

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a continuing decrease in the power of a Russian offensive

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they don't really have. They are becoming less and less

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capable of sustaining offensive actions against the Ukrainian military. They

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are not much better off in their offensive than they

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claim to be. And of course they're using disinformation and

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other types of reports to confuse the issue and basically

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try to convince the world, yes, we are winning this war,

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when in fact they are not. Their Russian Black Sea

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fleet has been, you know, severely damaged. They really don't

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have a presence in the naval presence in the Black Sea.

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NATO could, with certain coordination, take advantage of this by

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getting Turkey's permission to allow NATO's fleet to get into

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the Black Sea and establish naval superiority for Ukraine on

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behalf of NATO helping them to shut off the Russian

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ability to use the Black Sea completely. There are opportunities

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there depending on and I pointed out on the Ukraine Show,

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even in the current situation, we have to remember we

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do not know everything that is going on behind the scenes. No, no,

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And the thing is people were saying early on in

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the war that Ukraine would never be allowed to use

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Hi Mars Kerry would never be allowed to use attacks

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and blow and behold. You know, the Ukrainians come up

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with surprise after surprise, right and there's still the potential

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even though right now, you know, everybody says, oh, it's

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impossible for Ukraine to recover the Crimea. I have pointed

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out on the show several times that the Crimea is

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a significant center of gravity in the Russian Ukrainian war.

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If the Ukraine does have the potential to seal off

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the logistical and reinforcement lines to Crimea, if they seal

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it off and make it impossible for the Russians to

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reinforce or resupply the Crimea, then the Ukrainians can use

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whatever strategic reserves they have to mount an offensive into

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Crimea and force the surrender of the Russian occupiers in Crimea.

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If that occurs, and the potential is there, then that

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would inflict a decisive operational defeat upon the Russian forces

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which they would not be able to disguise or explain away,

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and that would provide a significant victory for the Ukrainians

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to then form and negotiate a shall I say, justin

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lasting piece.

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Yeah, Crimea is an interesting piece because it also a

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piece of the puzzle. Way, I mean, is it kind

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of started with that what twenty fourteen fourteen? Yeah exactly.

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he maybe I don't know what Trump's strategy wasn't in

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this statement, but blaming Zelensky basically for this war and

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even pointing out the war that started back in twenty

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fourteen which led to the Minsk agreements and all that,

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and so is it Zelenski's fault? I mean, here's the thing.

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It was started under the guise of, hey, we're going

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to go in and protect Russian citizens or the people

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of Russia, because Crimea was mostly populated by Russian sympathizers

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or Russian citizens allegedly. You know, I don't know all

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the ins and outs you probably, I'm sure do, And

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so that that was a justification for putin the first time,

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going in and saying, you know, we're going to take

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this they annexed it as part of Russia. Now, but

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what you're saying is, even though that happened fast forward

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today's times, they can no longer really hold onto that

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land militarily. If Ukraine wanted to press Russia for it,

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and I think that would be a major win.

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There is a potential there for an operational surprise. Yeah, yeah,

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because Russia has not has failed to anticipate, as during

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this war, Ukraine's ability to resist and to inflict. They didn't,

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They didn't anticipate Ukrainian counter attack into the Kursk Oblast,

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and they still have not been able to demonstrate any

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real capability for driving the Ukrainians out. Now, it's a

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very interesting situation, and what I would say is that

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if the UH to attain an operation, obtaining an operational,

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significant operational victory is vital for Ukraine at this point.

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If I would use using a historical good historical analogy

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would be the American Civil War during that time the

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Confederates in eighteen sixty four, after Gettysburg, the Confederates were

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hoping for a political victory by running McClellan against Lincoln

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in the eighteen sixty four election. Now, in order to

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guarantee that the Union could sue the Civil War to

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lot to its conclusion, the Union army had to win

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victories against the Confederacy that would make it impossible for

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a foreign power such as Great Britain or France to

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politically intervene in the American Civil War, which was still

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a possibility, and the Confederates were trying to gain a

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political victory in the eighteen sixty four election. So the

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interplay between military operations and political developments was certainly very

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much at play all throughout the American Civil War, and

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I would argue it is still very much at play

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here in the Russian Ukrainian War and Ukraine. As noted,

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you may have noted has Celensky did talk to Mark

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Sturmer and to gain their support, and there is a

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great deal of evidence that various NATO nations will be

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willing to have peacekeeping troops in Ukraine to help secure peace. Now,

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that is not the optimal solution, but it is if

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the and if President Trump, I would argue at this point, whoever,

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whoever are the people that are on the Trump team

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who are supposed to be the Russian national security advisors,

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whoever is advising Trump on Russia, in my my opinion,

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is not doing his or her job at all. Well,

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they do not comparently understand.

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So you don't you know, they're not being or.

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They're not If they do understand, they're not being listened.

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To understood, Yeah, because I mean, it's the statement he

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made about this being Zelensky's fault, Lensky's fault for defending

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his own country from being invaded and calling him, look.

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What you made? Look what you made me?

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Do?

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You made me invade you? What?

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Hey? Look? I can agree that that is a bit

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of a ridiculous statement, But I do know that Trump's

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power in negotiating is making very outlandish public statements just

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to stress test the situation and see how people react.

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So I'm not sure if that is what he was

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trying to do here.

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But that may well be. That may well be, you know,

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let's let's give. Let's give the man. There is there

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are advantages and disadvantages to President Trump's approach. His approach

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is is that it's almost like he's almost like he's

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using a principle of judo, and judo, as you know,

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is the Japanese the gentle way, using an opponent's off

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balance points and trying to apply strength against weakness to

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keep an opponent off balance and not being able to

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anticipate your next attack to defeat him without killing him.

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So what is interesting is is that Trump's approach keeps

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his adversaries off balance and not being sure exactly what

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course of action he's really going to take, because because yeah,

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the people that point out the madman theory, look out,

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he's crazy. He might attact. And this is a clever

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element of deterrence, is because if you can keep your

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opponents uncertain of what you are going to do. Uh.

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President Trump was probably is correct and saying that if

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he had been president the consecutive second term, that the

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Russian War never would have occurred. That He's probably quite

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correct in that because Putin would never have dared attack

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because he feared Russia. Putin's he feared Trump's unpredictability. So

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that but besides that gate, he is now relying on

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his unpredictability to keep not only his adversaries off balance,

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but it also unfortunately keeps his allies off balance.

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Yes, and yeah, you're right there. Yeah, it's it's.

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Very it's very high. And his NATO allies and his

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other allies are trying to accommodate and predict and role

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sort of go with the flow and try to figure out, Okay,

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how do we work around this.

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So the question the question here, Jonathan, I have is

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how else should have the US gone about in supporting

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Zelensky or trying to get involved in ending this war

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through a negotiation because it seemed I'm just saying bid

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administration because it was a previous administration, not for you know,

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calling one good one bad, but the previous administration did

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seem to not be interested in talking to Putin whatsoever,

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even though he invaded in twenty two. There were warning

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signs leading up to that where they could have definitely

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gone to Putin or gone to Russian tried to squash

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this from even happening, I think, And we also have

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to acknowledge that this is just my opinion based on

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what I see. I'm not claiming I'm writing this, but

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from my perspective, I haven't seen the EU do much

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to get in the way or get ahead of this either.

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And so like commised made by Jadie Vance in Munich,

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where he was basically saying, hey, look, you guys put

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yourselves here and you need to step up and protect

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yourselves and watch your own backyard, are basically what is

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your opinion on that, like, how how should the US

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have handled that? And how should the EU have handled that?

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Since it really is like their backyard, like right there,

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you know, And here's the thing of Russia encroaches and

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gains control. They're right on Poland's border. And now we

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do have a potential natal situation, so you know, what

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are your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, the e EU and NATO both have their respective

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spheres of influence. The us EU is primarily economic and

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NATO is primary for military and ensuring proper coordination between

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the two because there is no overarching command over both

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the e EU and NATO that can make them act

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in a fully coordinated fashion. So you know, Klauswitz has said,

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you know, politics, war is an extension of politics by

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other means. So EU has certain instruments at its disposal.

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They could participate in imposing sanctions if necessary on RUSSI,

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but that's in the peacetime realm, right And now you

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have and NATO only if one of its members is

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attacked can they invoke Article five Since Ukraine is not

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a member of NATO, at least not yet, and they

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because there's the essence of the NATO charter Charter precludes

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and them being brought into NATO while they are being invaded.

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There's that complication. So Ukraine has been trying to work

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out with it. We're around that with a series of

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bilateral security agreements and negotiations, which they've been able to

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do fairly successfully up to this point. So now you

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have the problem for the EU is they have to

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get back to a state of relative peace so that

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they're economic sanctions, they have more ability to interact with

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Ukraine and other allies in order to make the economic

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levers of power work moreffectively. NATO, for its part, because

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the United States is signaling that they are not willing

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to be the principal load bearer of the military effort.

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Now the burden is increasingly becoming on NATO NIP members

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to step up and devote a larger share of their

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their budgets to militaries, of their GDP to military spending

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and aid, as well as coordinate their response to the

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Russian invasion. And this is a very complicated problem, one

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that none of the NATO nations foresaw. None of them

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foresaw this situation.

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Well, it's certainly, it's complicated. Yeah, it's complicated, But when

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it comes to NATO, you know, we can talk about

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percentage of GDP, but we also got to talk about dollars,

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like how much is funded and the US funds over

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seventy percent of NATO on their own right, we have

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if it was a board of directors, we have the majority.

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I'm not saying it's right for us to act that way,

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but what I'm trying to get is, I guess I

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understand why Trump is saying what he's saying. You're like, hey,

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you know.

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You've got to chip in more so that it's more sustainable.

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Because at the same time, remember that President Trump and

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is his team, they are trying to tackle the the

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enormous national debt.

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Absolutely right now.

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It's out of it is out of control. And uh,

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it's in order and in order for the UH for

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those to achieve a subjectives to get this thing under control.

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Remember the interest here's the key. Here's a key figure.

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The interest on the national debt is about oh something

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like what is an eight hundred and fifty eight billion

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a year and increasing. It's like an out of control

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credit card. So in order to pay down that national

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credit card, if you will, you that's why they were

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using that target of reductions of two trillion a year

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around that if you paid it down, if you if

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00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.640
the dose team succeeds in identifying, and the US and

475
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:06.359
the Congress managed to reduce the national debt the next

476
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.680
year by say, if they were to do it by

477
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:12.839
two trillion, Okay, great, you know then that means they

478
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:16.920
have reduced they have exceeded that amount of interest, and

479
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.799
therefore the next year would have a lower interest on

480
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.680
the national debt. It would not be eight hundred and

481
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:27.079
fifty eight billion, it would be significantly lowers. That kicks

482
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.519
the whole process into reverse. If you can generate spending

483
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.720
large enough, spending cuts that are essentially one trillion a

484
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.319
year or one trillion a year or greater for the

485
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.880
next several years, you start to kick the process into reverse.

486
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.240
And you also give the tax cuts and economic growth

487
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:50.000
a chance to generate more revenue. So by doing large

488
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:54.160
spending cuts, not just not just breaking even an eight

489
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.799
hundred and fifty eight billion, you give this whole thing

490
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.960
a chance. So economic strength and so sustainability is directly

491
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.759
tied to the United States ability to support to support

492
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.319
its allies in a military sense for the long term.

493
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.960
So it's all intricately related. There None of these things

494
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.039
that the Trump is doing can be considered in a vacuum.

495
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.519
You cannot consider them as problems unrelated to other things

496
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:22.279
that he is doing.

497
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.000
I agree with that. I agree with that, and the

498
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.440
other thing. You know, outside of NATO, people don't understand

499
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.680
that the US and I've done plenty of shows on

500
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.359
these numbers, but the US funds literally funds and assists

501
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.839
two hundred countries every single year, not a small amount

502
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:46.400
that we pay out every single year. The I want

503
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.640
to circle back a bit though, because you explained the

504
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.200
EU's part, like what they could have done to help

505
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.759
avoid this war or get ahead of it through the

506
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.400
economic side of things. And also what NATO could have

507
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.519
done by putting pressures, not being directly militarily involved, but

508
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.640
trying to put pressures on on this situation to keep it,

509
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.359
you know, tame. But when we talk about Europe, the

510
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:16.960
powers of Europe, for example, the powerful nations, what could

511
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.559
they have done differently in your mind, because like France

512
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.319
when this when this was going on, let's fast forward

513
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.039
to twenty twenty two, not back through the twenty fourteen,

514
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.119
but franceca I think more like they didn't come to

515
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:29.799
the table to try and negotiate with Putin when they did,

516
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.720
he put them Putin put mccralan at the end of

517
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.519
one hundred foot table and just kind of like, yeah,

518
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.039
who is this guy whatever? And the only country that

519
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.519
has gone to try that, from my knowledge memory anyway,

520
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.440
is really been Turkey has been very involved through this

521
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:47.599
time period previous to Trump's administration and trying to actually

522
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.160
bring Putin to the table and negotiate and you know,

523
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:52.319
try try to find out what can be done in

524
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.440
concessions between Putin and Zelensky. I'm not sure, like, Okay,

525
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.119
what I'm trying to ask is why hasn't Europe been

526
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:03.359
more involved in trying to get a handle on this situation.

527
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.839
Seems like they didn't really jump until America said, fine,

528
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.480
we're sending attack coms over to Ukraine. We're going to

529
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.480
increase our funding and send billions of a years since

530
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.319
this has gone on, it seems like they were just

531
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.759
kind of waiting until we got involved for them to realize, oh,

532
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.119
it's time to step up. Because Germany didn't want to

533
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:22.920
do anything. They didn't want to do anything for a while,

534
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.240
France didn't want to do anything. It seemed like nobody

535
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.000
did anything to help Ukraine until America stepped in. So

536
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.680
was europe right in waiting or should they have really

537
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.599
gotten ahead of this from the outset.

538
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.519
Well, the European allies made the mistake of thinking that

539
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.319
the United States was going to carry the bulk of

540
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.279
the burden indefinitely and that there was no need. The

541
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.880
sense of urgency was not being was not impressed on

542
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.920
our NATO allies to really step up and says, oh, well,

543
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:55.599
we don't need to, We don't need to step up.

544
00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.279
You know, America's going to step up to the blatant Yeah,

545
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.359
And so there was no sense of urgency. It was

546
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:08.440
not until Trump was elected and Trump President Trump said no,

547
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.000
you guys have to do your part, because otherwise we

548
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:16.119
just may take our marvels and go home. The implication

549
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.240
being right, and so that that put a sense that

550
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:24.000
instilled that lit a fire under our NATO allies that yay,

551
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.720
we've we've got to take this seriously because Putin has

552
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.759
made it very clear that they are not interested. There

553
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.960
are many signals that are coming from the Russian side

554
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.839
that indicate they are not interested in compromise in this

555
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.680
in the sense that we understand it now. Until the nineties,

556
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.440
believe it or not, the Russian language did not even

557
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:51.039
have a word for compromise, because this compromise as when

558
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.759
you hear the word compromise, what do you think of

559
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.519
when we talk about making a compromise with someone, What

560
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:58.759
does that mean to you?

561
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.880
You're giving your little given up a little something that

562
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.720
you want to appease the other side in order to

563
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.720
make peace. Right, Yeah, and that's something that Russian doesn't

564
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:08.160
want to come.

565
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.039
You know, the American political system is built on compromise, right.

566
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.079
And it's also compromise in the sense of both sides.

567
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.680
You are meeting the other person halfway, you are you

568
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.480
are giving each side gains something. They don't gain everything,

569
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.799
but they gain something. Compromise in the American sense is

570
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:32.319
a more positive word. When the Russians they saw that

571
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:38.319
word compromise, they essentially translated it into cyrillic compromise whatever

572
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:42.079
the cyrillic letters. But when the Russians translate the word

573
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:47.880
compromise into their language, compromise to them means mutual surrender.

574
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.000
That is a negative comp That is a negative connotation,

575
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.079
and the Russians hate compromise.

576
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:56.799
It makes sense though, to be honest.

577
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.000
Yeah, it's a it's a fine nuance.

578
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:00.519
Yeah.

579
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.759
The Russians put the Russia. The Russians, the Russian language

580
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:08.440
and culture puts a more negative, a more negative connotation

581
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:14.159
to compromise. They hate leaders who compromise. It's it signals weakness.

582
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.280
Yeah, it's like there's no surrender in their culture. Correct,

583
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.880
there's no surrendering to surrenders.

584
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.360
Matter of fact, the Russian phrase in Russian culture that

585
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.599
is common, which we don't fully understand ourselves.

586
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:29.880
Is.

587
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:36.960
Who whom, Who rules whom? Who is superior to whom.

588
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:41.239
In the Russian culture, you are either someone superior or

589
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:46.000
you are their inferior. You are never their equal. Equality

590
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.519
is something that is a concept that doesn't even exist

591
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:51.360
in Russian culture either. The only word they have for

592
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.480
equality is being equal in the sides of that two

593
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.239
sides of a mathematical equation are equal. So when they

594
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.079
read the US con Institution and they see the words

595
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.760
all men are created equal, then the Russian, in the

596
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.679
Russian mind says that's impossible.

597
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.199
It's kind of a it's kind of a rule or

598
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:12.920
be ruled mentality.

599
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:14.400
Exactly right.

600
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:20.639
Yeah, I'm sorry, Jonathan. That leads me, That leads me

601
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:24.840
to this. Really, the implications here is if we can't

602
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:30.360
find a deal, which in Russia's mind would literally be surrendering, right,

603
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.519
surrendering something that you But if we can't find a deal,

604
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.440
Putin's actions. If you're just looking at everything he's doing

605
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.880
and what what he has actually stated. He wants to

606
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.920
reunite the us s R, the old USSR. He's literally

607
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.039
trying to claim those old territories. So I think the

608
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.079
fear is for for if Europe, if the European nations

609
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.199
are paying attention, and I'm sure they are, is if

610
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.360
he takes Ukraine, He's not going to stop there. He's

611
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.039
going to continue to try to gobble up the prior

612
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.840
or previous uss R territories. And I think that's part

613
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.320
of what he wants to do. And I don't think

614
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.320
people understand. Look, he's how old is he now? In

615
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.599
the seventies, late seventies?

616
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.159
He is, Oh, yeah, he's in his early seventies.

617
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.360
He's up there a little bit of seventies. And what

618
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.800
I mean by that is he's looking at his legacy

619
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.159
at this point, so he has nothing to lose really,

620
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.960
So this may just really be about his ego more

621
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.599
than anything.

622
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.000
And given the fact that he is a position of

623
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.320
near absolute power in Russia. We have to we have

624
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.159
to assume that uh lord lord acton once pointed out,

625
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.039
power corrupts and absolute power tends to corrupt. Absolutely, Yes,

626
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.159
so you might, you might enlighten, you might liken the

627
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.960
latter of Putin to someone who is in possession of

628
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.400
the one ring of power from the Lord of the rings. Yeah,

629
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.119
the ring of as you know, the ring of power,

630
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:56.760
and the lord of the rings, the ring, the one

631
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:01.199
ring of power inevitably corrupts its user. Yes, and so

632
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.320
they so you might you know, your President Trump and

633
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.840
Vladimir Putin obviously each have a ring of power.

634
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.079
So and you're right? And can I with with that

635
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.400
being said, where where do you think this is going

636
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.639
to go? With these peace talks? Will we actually have peace?

637
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.840
Will this be a prolonged war that actually leads to

638
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.320
a larger period appeer on conflict? What?

639
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.320
What do you think here? Here's you know, given my

640
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.679
study of the rush of the Russian perception of both

641
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:38.440
of US strategy and its own great power status, the

642
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.719
it is reaching a what the claud Switz called the

643
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.840
culminating point of war, culminating point of a battle. Inevitably,

644
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.679
when one side is on the offensive and you reach

645
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.400
a point where the offensive side can no longer continue

646
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.280
the attack, they can and there is an opportunity for

647
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.159
the defender to counterattack. Are right now, the Russian side

648
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:08.239
is steadily reaching that culminating point where will no longer

649
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.159
be able to continue an offensive effort against Ukraine. And

650
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:14.559
this is why it is so such a vital turning

651
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:19.480
point right now. If the NATO Allies and the United

652
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.719
States simply continue to supply Ukraine with an ability to resist,

653
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.000
because Zelenski is calling for larger Ukrainian military forces, if

654
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.320
they succeed, in the worst case, bringing the Russian offensive

655
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.920
to a halt so that it's no longer making visible progress,

656
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.840
or even if they managed to drive back to Russians

657
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.360
in certain cases, or as I've also mentioned, inflict that

658
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.440
decisive counter offensive woe against crimea which most people are

659
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.440
discounting and saying that's not possible, and I would disagree.

660
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.719
It is those things that can't ever happen that change

661
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.280
the course of world history. We thought in World War Memory,

662
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.920
in World War I two on the Western Front, we

663
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.199
were dry in December nineteen forty four. Hardly anyone except

664
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.840
for patents G two thought that the Germans were capable

665
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:12.760
of launching No one thought they were capable of launching

666
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.400
a counter offensive, but they did in the Battle of

667
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:20.480
the Bulge, and the US suffered tens of thousands of casualties.

668
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.840
It was the most devastating war, devastating battle for the

669
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.679
United States, all because they failed to anticipate that the

670
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.880
that an opponent could launch a counter offensive.

671
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.440
So do you think do you think people are or

672
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:38.280
at least Putin is underestimating Zelenski's chances here?

673
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.639
I think he is. He has shown time and again

674
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:48.360
that he has underestimated the Ukrainian both the Ukrainian will

675
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.599
and the Ukrainian ability to resist. And there have been

676
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.519
several instances throughout this conflict where the Ukrainians has surprised

677
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.880
the Russians technically and operationally. So is not to say

678
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.159
that they are there, is that that potential exists yet again.

679
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.880
And even though we may be on the verge of

680
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:13.719
a negotiating peace, any piece that that visibly rewards Russia

681
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.679
in any way for having started the war against Ukraine

682
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.360
and engaged in this conflict, that is not a piece

683
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.880
that is appeasement, yes, agreed, and simply invites more war

684
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:25.400
later on.

685
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.000
Yeah, exactly, And that's that's the that's the issue. Okay,

686
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.079
So that I kind of kicked this can down the

687
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.199
road in my mind here, but it's gonna, it's gonna

688
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.760
it's gonna lead me to asking your opinion on this. Now.

689
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.360
I've had others say that they don't believe this will happen.

690
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:47.239
But as as Trump's statements, everything he's making in terms

691
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.320
of his statements and and what he's saying about Zelensky

692
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.280
right now, and and how it seems like he's really

693
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.239
trying to appease Putin, And of course it just could

694
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.840
be a tactic to get him to relax and sit

695
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.440
down and talk. Could be. But where does where would

696
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.519
that leave us? Like if it gets that situation, because

697
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.480
Zolensky obviously has made it very clear he's not backing down.

698
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.599
He's not going to back down unless they're both they

699
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.679
both come to the table, and it's clear that he

700
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.480
does not want to give up any more land whatsoever.

701
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.199
In fact, I know he wants crying me up back

702
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.920
as it was originally there from from the outset, you know,

703
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.639
going back to that twenty fourteen war. But where does

704
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:26.719
that leave us? Where does it leave America if we

705
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.320
because it has been said that we may have to

706
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.480
put boots on the ground, for example, But but on

707
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.679
whose side? Like where would we be in this situation

708
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:35.760
in your mind?

709
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.440
Will and as far as putting a yes, American troops

710
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.880
in Ukraine either as a peace either as part of

711
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.880
a peacekeeping force or are you suggesting as part of

712
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.800
peacekeeping force or either or.

713
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:50.760
Yeah, what's your assessment? What do you where do you

714
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.000
think our involvement will Where do you think this will

715
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.239
lead if we absolutely do have to get involved in

716
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.960
putting troops in the area. What do you think that means?

717
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.000
We have troops in we have troops in NATO Europe still.

718
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.639
Well, yes, we do, but it's not it's not like

719
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.159
a large like it correct unless you explain I'm sorry,

720
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:10.679
go ahead.

721
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.880
Yeah, No, it's not a significant enough contingent to affect

722
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.480
if we wanted to force a confrontation between the United

723
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.400
States and Russia, yeah, then we would put American troops

724
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:29.639
in Ukraine and that would be a situation reminiscent of

725
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.199
Believe it or not, the January nineteen ninety seven Army

726
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:38.000
after Next Winter Wargame that was a the first strategic

727
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.480
level wargame in which I was a participant on the

728
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.760
Red Team representing Russia, and it was a It was

729
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.320
designed to simulate. It was trying to test out the

730
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.280
revolution in military affairs for structure as a proof of concept,

731
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:57.519
and it was a station. The scenario was set in

732
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:02.800
a in twenty twenty with a hypethetical war conflict, and

733
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:09.320
the problem was the United States was well, excuse me,

734
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.519
the Blue player, we were willing to commit forces. We

735
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.760
had advisors in Ukraine in the wargame, and the Red

736
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.280
Team we saw that as an intolerable provocation. So in

737
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.960
order to do that, we were stating analyzing the situation

738
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.800
and said, if we are going to invade Ukraine and

739
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:35.280
we do not take out lose intelligence and communications satellites

740
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.119
prior to the beginning of the war, we're going to lose.

741
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.519
So the Red Team in that wargame launched a preemptive

742
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.119
strike in space to destroy using its satellites that it

743
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.960
had its counterspace weapons to destroy Blues communications and intelligence

744
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.880
satellites in the wargame. It paralyzed Blue and the wargame

745
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.920
controllers told the Red Team, well, absent intervention by the

746
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.079
wargame controllers read just won the war, and so that

747
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.199
was a devastating conclusion. We learned from that wargame that

748
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:11.119
if you put if you have counter space satellites and say,

749
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:15.440
for example, UH interceptor satellites with laser weapons in space,

750
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.800
and you have that, you have a an unstable hair

751
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.840
trigger situation in Earth orbital space, almost like a Mexican

752
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.280
standoff in Earth orbit. So from that's from that standpoint,

753
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.400
if you're looking at the United States intervening in Ukraine,

754
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.400
are putting troops there, that would provide an almost intolerable

755
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.079
provocation for Russia. So right now it.

756
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.239
Would, yeah, but real quickly. So if yeah, that would

757
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.480
that also hinges. That also hinges on these negotiations or

758
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:56.199
talks being successful, because if if Putin doesn't want to

759
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.320
back down Ukraine, Zelensky doesn't want to back down, and

760
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.199
Trump says, fine, We're going to send a peacekeeping force.

761
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.760
That peace keeping element is entirely hinged on Putin still

762
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.480
respecting the US as a force to be reckoned with.

763
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.400
And if we lose that respect, are we truly going

764
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:17.239
to be a peacekeeping force at that point?

765
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.320
Yeah, that's going to be a very not a problem

766
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.159
for the for the United States and it's NATO allies

767
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.079
because in order to uh you hit Putin has made

768
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.639
it very clear, and the Russian leadership itselves made it

769
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:36.159
clear they are not interested in peace, and they want

770
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.559
the whole of Ukraine. They want all of Ukraine. Right,

771
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.719
And once the United State, once it becomes clear to

772
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.519
the US political leadership that Russia genuinely is not interested

773
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.119
in peace but in effect our de facto surrender in

774
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.440
this war, then there's going to be a crucial test

775
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:59.880
for the Trump administration. They will be compelled.

776
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:01.000
Uh.

777
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.239
Trump has has said, had said to Putin previously, we

778
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.360
can do this the easy way, or we can do

779
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.920
this the hard way. And and given give him credit,

780
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.639
give him President Trump credit. He will recognize, however, reluctantly,

781
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.000
that as much as he wanted to be seen as

782
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.800
the peacemaker, as the deal maker, and for his legacy,

783
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.199
he may have to earn his legacy the.

784
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:30.239
Hard way, and that could be bad for all of us. Yes,

785
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.440
to go that direction, for sure.

786
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.000
So as more as Mark Twain went, as Mark Twain

787
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.000
once said, history doesn't repeat itself, it does rhyme.

788
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:44.400
Though. Wow, well so this is so, let's let's go

789
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.840
to what you were saying earlier about the capabilities for example,

790
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:54.840
and and it's kind of leads leads I'm sorry, Leans, yeah, Leans,

791
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:59.159
towards the US's capabilities at the moment, because when it

792
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.480
when you're talking about satellites, lasers, I mean, that goes

793
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:03.039
all the way back to the star Wars program that

794
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:07.039
was launched, you know, years back exactly. And why don't

795
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.199
you explain that element and what that can do for

796
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.639
not just our security of course, you know, as Trump

797
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.079
has mentioned the Iron Dome for America, just as we've

798
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.480
done for Israel. But how does how is that going

799
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.039
to come into play here? If we have to go

800
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:25.719
that direction as a deterrent.

801
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.760
Now, this is a fact. This is a fact going

802
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.440
to be This is going to lead some fascinating ideas

803
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.599
and potential. Okay, so let's step through this. When President

804
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.920
Reagan first declared the Strategic Defense Initiative back in nineteen

805
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.079
eighty three, and that was when I had come out

806
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.000
with my first book, The Soviet Yew of US Strategic Doctrine,

807
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.039
in which I had also recommended space based defense as

808
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.960
an element. Now, the interesting thing is is that when

809
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:56.880
the Soviets saw the declaration, of Strategic Defense initiative. This

810
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:02.280
terrified them, Yeah, absolutely terrified them. As a matter of fact,

811
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.639
if you take a look at the book Inside the

812
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:10.039
KGB by Christopher Andrew and Oleg Gordievsky. In that book,

813
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:16.559
the Gordievsky talked about a KGB report that went to

814
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.960
President that went to Gorbachev in April nineteen eighty five

815
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.960
discussing the US Star Wars program. In that report, the

816
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.400
KGB concluded that the USSDI program would eventually be able

817
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.159
to block of Soviet missiles in a first strike, and

818
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.039
that there was no way the Soviet Union could keep

819
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.599
up with this capability. Now, I told my students, any

820
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:43.880
of you out there who believed that the SDI program

821
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:46.639
could walk ninety percent of Soviet missiles in a first strike,

822
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.559
please raise your hand. The point is it didn't matter.

823
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:55.239
The Russians believed it, they acted, They acted on that belief,

824
00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.079
and they spent themselves into bankruptcy. If really trying to

825
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.920
counter a phantom SDI program, which in reality was really

826
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.960
a research and development program. The Soviets were so terrified

827
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.559
they even they saw the Patriot system. When I was

828
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.960
a Brigade S two in Germany, my brigade commander, because

829
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:17.599
I was a brigade S two of a Hawk and

830
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.320
Patriot brigade the first one deployed in Europe. And my

831
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:26.360
brigade commander said, hey, Captain Lockwood, you are you read

832
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.280
those Russian military journals. Take a look at them and

833
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.800
see if the Russians are saying anything about Patriot.

834
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:32.639
Well.

835
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.880
I looked at the had the issue of Vistnik Protasi Oberoni,

836
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.360
which is herald of anti aircraft defense in that are.

837
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.599
In that journal there was an article on US medium

838
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.840
to high altitude air defense systems and the last third

839
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.400
of the article talked about Patriot. So I'm busily translating it,

840
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.519
and then all of a sudden, I see the A

841
00:49:53.719 --> 00:50:00.679
the Russian acronym for per oltoi Oberoni antime missile defense,

842
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:06.039
and the author was crediting Patriot with an anti ballistic

843
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.639
missile capability. Now this is really wild, considering the fact

844
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.440
that the Patriots system had not yet demonstrated that it

845
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.400
could intercept ballistic missiles.

846
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:17.880
Okay, so all right.

847
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.599
They've been terrified of Patriots since nineteen the nineteen eighties

848
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:21.239
is my point.

849
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:28.239
No, No, and also makes you almost confirms the syop

850
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.519
capabilities of the US and how effective it is.

851
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.239
Oh, yes, it was. As a matter of fact, the

852
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:39.920
US reinforced the Russian fear of patriot when in September

853
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.400
nineteen eighty seven a US patriot successfully intercepted a US

854
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.840
Lance ballistic missile and demonstrated that it could work and

855
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.679
raytheon continued to refine the capabilities of Patriot until it

856
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.960
was able to successfully intercept studs in the nineteen ninety

857
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.960
one Persian Gulf War. It kept on refining ever since

858
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:07.119
until now when they send patriots. To send patriots to

859
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.280
to Ukraine, the Ukrainians promptly adopted them and made them

860
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.840
work even more effectively near one interception rate. So this

861
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.039
shows the full potential of patriot and reinforces the Russian

862
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.880
fear of US technology. The one thing that is the

863
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.920
major thing conclusion that I have reached from my research

864
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.239
and analysis of the Russian perception is that the one

865
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:32.559
thing that the Russians fear more than the Russian military

866
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.760
and political leadership, what they fear more than anything else,

867
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:41.039
is the potential of American technology to neutralize the one

868
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:43.400
thing that makes the Russians a great power in their

869
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.800
own perception, their nuclear missile arsenal, And therein lies the

870
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:53.400
key what President Trump in his administration by declaring they

871
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:57.079
intend to produce an iron dome defense over the United States,

872
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:03.400
they are essentially repudiating the previous Biden administration's strategy, which

873
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.840
was essentially to be prepared to fight a nuclear war

874
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:11.760
with three nuclear armed adversaries and expand their own nuclear

875
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.559
arsenal to do this, relying on the concept of mutually

876
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:21.559
assured destruction mad. If the Trump administration should be reputating

877
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:26.400
anything from the previous Biden administration, that should be right

878
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.199
at the top of the list, and apparently they are

879
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:33.199
implicitly doing this by declaring an intent to create an

880
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:37.599
so called iron dome over America. This presents an impetus,

881
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.320
presents an interesting problem. Remember the lesson from the Army

882
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.880
after Next Winter War game. If you put satellites in

883
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.440
space where the other side has counterspace weapons, you produce

884
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.920
an unstable hair trigger situation in your Thoroberttal space, a

885
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.480
Mexican standoff where the side that fires first has a

886
00:52:55.519 --> 00:53:00.840
decisive advantage. Now, how do you get around this problem? Well, Congress,

887
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.559
in its Iron Dome Bill has allocated nine hundred million

888
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:09.320
dollars for studying space based interceptors. That's an implicit recognition

889
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:12.360
that there is a hole in the Iron dome, you know,

890
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.920
because you can Israel only has to worry about short

891
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.840
range and intermediate range ballistic missiles, right, We've got to

892
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.119
worry about the intercontinental ballistic missiles that can come through

893
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:23.599
that hole in the Iron dome.

894
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:27.719
Right, and can't really interest that and potential hypersonic missile technology.

895
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.719
Exactly the way you deal with the only effective way

896
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.880
really to deal with both hypersonic and intercontinentalistic missile systems,

897
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.920
and it's correct, is using space based interceptors. But in

898
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:43.159
what form? You can't really do it with satellites because

899
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.000
that's too unstable because it gives it the other side

900
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.639
a very huge incentive to fire first. But how do

901
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.280
you do that? Well? You what you do? You create

902
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.280
what I had advocated back in nineteen ninety three. You

903
00:53:56.360 --> 00:54:01.920
create something called the Worldwide Strategic Defense Matrix w s

904
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.079
d M wisdom. This is both a symbolic and a

905
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.960
real paradigm shift. Would be a real paradigm shift. And

906
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:12.519
we are and I am the only one in the

907
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.400
world discussing this because I I've searched for it, and

908
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.719
when I first talked about it in my nineteen ninety

909
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.880
three book, no one else is talking about this, but

910
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.239
in order to go ahead.

911
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.920
I'm sorry. I like your idea and it's it's something

912
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.840
that was brought up before, but I think it was

913
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.159
more of a sy op previously with the Star Wars program,

914
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.280
I think there was nothing ever really proven or tested.

915
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.760
It was just it was just really just propagana, I think.

916
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.719
But it worked in our behalf. But fast fast forward.

917
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.079
You can't deny the technology. You can't deny that laser

918
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.039
technology has come a very long way, and that is

919
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.320
a very plausible possible. It's very possible these days that

920
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.000
that could absolutely work.

921
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.880
Well, he works even better when you consider the following. Now, well,

922
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.519
if you put if you're going to have space based interceptors,

923
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.199
you don't put them on satellites. What you do is

924
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.760
the key. Here's the key, and this is something that

925
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.760
I discussed that no one else does. The key to

926
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:16.079
making the Iron Dome in effect the worldwide strategic defense

927
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.639
matrix even more effective than an Iron Dome is you

928
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:25.639
upgrade the US Space Force with a space fleet manned

929
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.880
by Space Force guardians, where do we get the space

930
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:34.039
fleet from you buy it from SpaceX. You Pentagon effectively

931
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:38.679
says to the to the UH to mister Musk says elon,

932
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.119
Pentagon would like to buy twelve of your Falcon nines,

933
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.079
twelve of your Falcon heavies, and twelve of your starships,

934
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.639
and the Pentagon can then add to for the space

935
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:53.639
force add the appropriate weapons, equipment and crew, specifically lasers

936
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.360
that would be mounted that would be mounted on these

937
00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:00.880
starships in lower orbit. Once they are in low Earth orbit,

938
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.320
now you have effective interceptors against any ballistic missile attack

939
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.119
by Russia, China or North Korea, because at the speed

940
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.239
of light, there's no way a nuclear missile in its

941
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:16.000
boost phase coming up from the ground can evade a

942
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:20.559
laser attack, so that effectively blocks. That is the key

943
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.599
and the interesting thing is, okay, what the answer? Well,

944
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.920
what if the Russian and Chinese counterspace weapons, these counter

945
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.840
space satellites, what if they fire on a space war starship? Well,

946
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:35.440
guess what if you if it were satellite versus satellite.

947
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.400
No one cares much because satellites don't have mothers. But

948
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.119
if if a counter Russian or Chinese counter space satellite

949
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.440
were to fire on a US Space Force starship armed

950
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.360
with laser weapons. That is a clear and unmistakable active

951
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.159
war and the in self defense, the starship could simply

952
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.679
destroy the satellite. Now what that that is a very

953
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.800
powerful counter deterrant to add to any preemptive action in

954
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:08.440
space and would and by neutralizing the nuclear arsenals of Russia,

955
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:14.400
China and North Korea simultaneously, this provides a very stable

956
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:19.039
deterrent for countering any future Russian invasion of Ukraine. Because

957
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.840
if we have an effective strategic defense against nuclear missiles

958
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:29.159
and the other side does not game over, you can

959
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.719
preserve the piece indefinitely. That is an idea that I am.

960
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.480
And yet and here here's the other. Here's the other

961
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:40.079
wonderful thing about it. The people might say, well, what

962
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.519
if Russia China and oh, let's say Russia China, what

963
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:48.079
if they start developing strategic defenses against ballistic missile attack?

964
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:53.360
And I would say to them, knock yourselves out, go

965
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.840
ahead and build it, because they will be forced to

966
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.440
build defense. You will either be forced to build defenses

967
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.000
to keep themselves from the vulnerable to US and NATO

968
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.440
nuclear missiles, or they're all going to have to start

969
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.760
channeling mister Rogers and learning how to be good neighbors.

970
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.800
Right, I think the only the only nation that would

971
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:14.519
be able to keep up with this currently in the

972
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.039
race for laser technologies would be China, and I could

973
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.719
see China definitely doing that. But I have to ask

974
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.159
the question, like, I like the theory and the idea

975
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.079
of this because it makes a lot of sense and

976
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:29.800
it makes me think to the helios, Right, a laser

977
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.039
weapon that has been used on naval ships lately. Now

978
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.880
they've tested it, it does work. The only problem they

979
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.039
have is it doesn't recharge or the power source at

980
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:41.440
the moment doesn't charge quick enough for repeated use for example,

981
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.480
or at least rapid fire use, and it does have

982
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.960
a limited range currently. It's like, let me see, I

983
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.159
think I looked this up. Let me okay, at the

984
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.320
it's what three hundred kill at laser? So how how

985
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.400
would we be able to develop that? Or do you

986
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.719
think we're close to developing something that could be put

987
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.519
on a ship for example, that would be effective and

988
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.400
be a rapid fire use weapon.

989
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.079
Well, here's the other lovely thing about putting such a

990
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.760
laser weapon in Earth orbit. If you are firing from space,

991
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.480
a laser is not obstructed by the atmosphere. Sure, because

992
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.639
it's firing, it's firing down. It's much more. The lasers

993
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.360
are much more effective in space than what they would

994
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.079
be if they're firing from the ground, because they would

995
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.280
be they won't be dispersed by the Earth's atmosphere. And

996
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.760
if you have several starships equally spaced apart in lower

997
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.800
Earth orbit, what it does is it creates a ring

998
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:40.559
of interlocking shields around your adversaries so that they have

999
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.119
you will have continuous coverage of their ballistic muscle launches.

1000
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:49.360
And it prevents overhauling of the system. So this is

1001
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.119
and how do you fund such a system? Well, here's

1002
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.280
another beautiful thing about it. If you are going to

1003
00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:00.400
focus on defense, on neutralizing the other sides nuclear arsenals, fully,

1004
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:06.000
you don't build, You don't spend another dime on nuclear weapons.

1005
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.400
You do not build additional nuclear weapons, you do not

1006
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.039
try to build improved system nuclear systems. All you do

1007
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:17.320
is you focus on pure defense and neutralizing their systems.

1008
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.280
And the motto I use for wisdom WSDM wisdom does

1009
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:26.000
not kill. It is a purely defensive system which does

1010
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.480
not threaten the existence of Russia, China or North Korea.

1011
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.360
It threatens their power, it threatens their ability to intimidate,

1012
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.960
and that is what they fear more than anything else,

1013
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.719
because if they lose their nuclear if their nuclear arsenals

1014
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:46.440
become are rendered obsolete and impotent, they lose their great

1015
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.239
power status in their own perception.

1016
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:52.480
If so, if the US, if our Defense Department was

1017
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.880
to take this idea serious, I think from the outset,

1018
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.280
we would have the advantage because, as you brought up,

1019
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:03.800
Elon Musk currently have uh the richest individuals in the

1020
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.079
world in America that have already proven that they can

1021
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:11.960
privatize space crafts and space travel. And because they're not

1022
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:16.599
beholden to government oversight necessarily and funding, they've been able

1023
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.960
to really push the boundaries and show how effective they

1024
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.599
can be when they're not restricted. And so if we had,

1025
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:29.719
for example, him and Bezos together behind this, and the

1026
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.679
US was able to tap them both, oh yeah, that

1027
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:33.679
was very interesting.

1028
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.679
Oh yeah. As a matter of fact, you're you're you

1029
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.000
and I are are saint. You're on the same track here.

1030
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.000
Because let's let's say for example, that that Hesth Benegon's

1031
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:47.159
issues this contract now he has. He has a couple

1032
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.559
of options here. He could issue the contract as a

1033
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.519
sole source contract, in other words, say there's only one

1034
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.679
company that could really do this, and that SpaceX. Or

1035
01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:01.000
he could make it a competitive contract in which SpaceX

1036
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:05.400
could become the prime contractor, and then Elon Musk could

1037
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:10.880
chap his billionaire bodies who have space capabilities as subcontractors

1038
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.480
and expand the power and ability to produce the Space

1039
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.239
Force fleet once. Here's the other. Here's the other interesting

1040
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:21.559
bonus and incentive for the Space Force having a fleet

1041
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:26.760
other than satisfying all the happy star Trek fans out there, Well,

1042
01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:30.079
we have star fleet command in the for twenty first century.

1043
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:34.400
How about that life imitates art, so we have here.

1044
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:38.960
But when you have a space force fleet with starshift,

1045
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.679
even if they're only chemically powered at first, there is

1046
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.039
promise for having them having nuclear theorough vulsion, which gives

1047
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.559
you even more options. But when you have a space

1048
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.400
force fleet in low Earth orbit and one in geosynchronous orbit,

1049
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.360
as well as space starships that can form a lunar

1050
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:59.880
base or doing other things, you gain several bonus capable

1051
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.639
which are not fully realized. A space force fleet in

1052
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:08.440
orbit can also This sounds mundane, but they can clean

1053
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:12.280
up space junk. They can those while they're while they're

1054
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.119
on station, they're they're while they're monitoring and doing other things.

1055
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:18.800
They can clean up space junk and they can make

1056
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:22.679
They can take turns shuttling that space junk to the

1057
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.760
lunar base to form a lunar junk yard to process

1058
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.639
all that lunars, all that stuff and get it starting

1059
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.519
a front. Those lunar caves they're talking about, you could

1060
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:37.000
establish a storage place for them there. So cleaning up

1061
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:41.840
space junk is one useful function. Also, that space Force fleet,

1062
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.440
armed with lasers and other supplementary equipment, could also have

1063
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.800
assigned the mission of blocking, intercepting, or destroying near Earth

1064
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.800
objects such as asteroids, meteors, or comets. You know that

1065
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:59.000
asteroid they're talking about that, Oh, it might collide with

1066
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.480
the Earth in two thousand thirty two. Well, if you've

1067
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.400
got a space Force weight, now you've got to answer.

1068
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:07.840
That was the original concern when it came to space

1069
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:13.239
based laser systems originally, was was it tearing that possibility

1070
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.159
of an asteroid colliding with the Earth. So with everything,

1071
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:22.280
everything that you're proposing, which some people may Okay, years ago,

1072
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.599
people say, oh, that's an outlantish idea, But you know,

1073
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.119
twenty twenty five, it really doesn't seem that far.

1074
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:32.880
It's not that the technology has advanced. Technology has advanced

1075
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.360
to the point where it is now quite thinkable.

1076
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:39.840
But what do we so? What what about now? Given

1077
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.400
the situation we're in, it seems like the idea of

1078
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:47.280
an iron dome over America is long overdue, given the

1079
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:51.119
threat potentials, especially how they have escalated over the last

1080
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:56.360
twelve years for example, So what technologies can they deploy now? Like,

1081
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:58.800
what is what is available now that can quickly be

1082
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.079
deployed to be effective? We can.

1083
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:06.119
We can deploy now all the things that we can

1084
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.760
increase the production of FAD. We can increase the production

1085
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.960
of Patriot, we can increase all of our ballistic missile

1086
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.760
defense interceptors that are capable of intercepting. It still leaves

1087
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:19.559
a hole in the iron dome in the sense of

1088
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.480
the then that and that is why I propose the

1089
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:27.400
development the upgrading of the key to plugging the hole

1090
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.199
in the iron dome is to upgrade the space for

1091
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:33.519
wars with a space fleet. Right, I'll tell you that's

1092
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:34.840
the quickest way you could do it.

1093
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.199
And so we do need to get there. But we

1094
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.920
should absolutely stop putting off the deployment of what technologists

1095
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.360
we have now to at least create some don't right, correct?

1096
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.679
A partial shield is better than no shield at all.

1097
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.880
Yeah. Should this be something that should be a joint coalition,

1098
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.480
not just for America but for North like for Mexico

1099
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:54.519
and Canada as well, since I mean, they're right on

1100
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:56.480
our borders and they would definitely be affected by any

1101
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:57.159
kind of attack.

1102
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.400
Well, here's here's the again. The beautiful thing about wisdom

1103
01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:05.320
is that when you upgrade the space force, you create

1104
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:10.480
the potential for cooperation and alliance with our allies. Let's

1105
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.079
say our NATO allies we start producing this space fleet

1106
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.760
and our NATO allies say, hey, is there any way

1107
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.039
we can benefit from this? Well, you can say to

1108
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.280
our NATO allies, well, if you want to buy a starship, right,

1109
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.760
you want to buy a starship from SpaceX, and they

1110
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.239
will help you equip it, and they have their they

1111
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.400
it becomes a symbol of national pride and power instead

1112
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.400
of nuclear weapons. Each nation that wants to be considered

1113
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:39.679
significant would have its own starship which they could they

1114
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:41.719
could have crews on it. Now, by the way, how

1115
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.840
many crew? How many? How many crew would you need

1116
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.920
to crew a starship for the purposes of a space

1117
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.360
force mission. Well, you don't put one hundred on there,

1118
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.559
because Elon Musk is diabot sending one hundred to it

1119
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.960
to colonize Mars. People who have analyzed the starship sitting,

1120
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.679
a more realistic number for a starship for our starship

1121
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:05.119
crew is ten. Now that's workable. You would need ten

1122
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.519
to perform all the functions as well as operate the

1123
01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:13.639
nuclear laser than the laser interceptor. So ten is realistic.

1124
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:17.239
And we could even in the US space wars itself,

1125
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:21.039
we could invite our NATO allies to provide crew for

1126
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.000
our space war starships to help provide crew.

1127
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.760
So this could this could potentially be an effective affordable

1128
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:36.840
arm or or leg of the Department of Defense. And yeah,

1129
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.800
so then, but what will end up happening is exactly

1130
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.360
what's happening now. Instead of a nuclear arms race, we'll

1131
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.639
have a laser arms race, and then we'll be back

1132
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.159
in the situation of the Terrence, just based on who

1133
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.800
has the more effective laser defense system.

1134
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:54.159
Well, here here's the here's the interesting here's the interesting

1135
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:58.719
difference about that. In an offensive arms race in which

1136
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:03.280
there's no there'sically no limit, there is no there is

1137
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:04.159
no finish line.

1138
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:04.480
No.

1139
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.719
In a defensive arms race, where both sides are developing

1140
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:12.239
defenses against nuclear attack, there is a finish line. When

1141
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:16.800
both sides have fully operational defensive shields. Essentially you're like

1142
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:22.760
two gladiators with full length body armor. It's a stalemate. Fine,

1143
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:25.680
that's more acceptable than mutually assured destruction.

1144
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:31.239
No, absolutely, Yeah, And technology is technology is advancing words.

1145
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:33.119
I mean, we're dealing with drones. We've never seen it

1146
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.920
to the level we have before, to where now it's

1147
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:38.159
not just about you know, singular drones going out and

1148
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:42.079
shooting missiles from afar. They can be used as a

1149
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:46.640
kind of a swarm attack. Now where they're.

1150
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:49.319
It almost looks like something out of Terminator.

1151
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:52.079
I was just going to say that, Yeah, a robot,

1152
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:53.399
a robot.

1153
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:56.039
Army going against the flesh and blood army. Yeah, that's

1154
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:59.359
a nightmare. That's a nightmare for the Russians. There's no Ukrainians.

1155
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:02.359
For where are the Ukrainians we can kill? They aren't there.

1156
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:05.119
They're using robots. They're back there with their little joysticks

1157
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:07.199
sending the drones to attack you.

1158
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.960
Well, so we so we definitely need to do something

1159
01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:13.760
in terms of an iron dome. I I think you're

1160
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:19.560
right on with developing space based capabilities for defense and deterrence.

1161
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:23.199
Hey, I could I could save Congress nine hundred million

1162
01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:26.720
dollars about off that interceptor studies say, guys, I've got

1163
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.159
your answer. Now, it's concentrate. Let's concentrate on upgrading the

1164
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:31.079
space force.

1165
01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:35.800
Right what what so that that's still a little ways out,

1166
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.479
I think, but I think it would be an effective solution.

1167
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.199
What let's let's get let's circle back to where we're gonna.

1168
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.199
We've been doing this for a little bit, so I

1169
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:46.600
want to I want to kind of bring it back

1170
01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.560
to this Ukraine Russia situation, because yes, the iron the

1171
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:53.520
iron dome proposal would work, not just for America, would

1172
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.479
also work as a as an amazing deterrent and in

1173
01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.760
this Russia Ukraine war as well, because you can target

1174
01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:04.760
the systems wherever need be. Especially the way you're you're

1175
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:07.960
describing it, like how you would deploy it, it would

1176
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.479
be very agile in that respect. It could turn into

1177
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:12.960
an offensive weapon if we wanted it to.

1178
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.119
But yes, as a matter of fact, if the if

1179
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:20.840
we had an effective shield, the beautiful Again, the beautiful

1180
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:24.079
thing about introducing a ballistic missile defense system, especially one

1181
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:29.840
like Wisdom, is that it puts a It introduces a

1182
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:33.279
great deal of uncertainty into the mind of a potential attacker.

1183
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:38.119
If the Russians were to contemplate attacking the Wisdom system,

1184
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:41.560
they would they would not know how many of their

1185
01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:44.520
missiles would actually get through the system. They do not

1186
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.840
know which ones will get through. However, they do know

1187
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.399
that if their attack failed to destroy the integrity of

1188
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the Wisdom system and left our nuclear forces largely able

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01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:58.640
to counterattack, they would be faced with a massive nuclear

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01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:03.880
counterattack from and the US. And yeah, once you do that,

1191
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:08.039
you introduce defense. Introduces more uncertainty. And even if they

1192
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.479
started building defenses themselves, that means they have to divert

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01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:15.880
resources from attacking to defense, and that is also beneficial.

1194
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.600
So even so, even with with how delicate the situation

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01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:22.479
is now, and for example, if we did have to

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01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:27.079
have a peace keeping force, do you do you think

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01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:31.520
that maybe do you think maybe that if if if

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01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.399
Putin felt that he was being respected from the outset

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01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:36.760
that a lot of this would have been able to

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01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:41.760
be would have been able to come to a piece

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01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.399
deal a long time ago.

1202
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:49.680
Hmm. Well here here's why I think that that is problematic. Uh.

1203
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.399
One book that I would recommend for you to read

1204
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:56.239
and uh introduce to your listeners is the book why

1205
01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:02.239
Tim Marshall Prisoners of Geography. And it tends because it

1206
01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:06.920
tends simple maths which explain world politics and geopolitics. Wonderful book.

1207
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.680
I would recommend that book not only for every American

1208
01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:12.640
but for every high school student in middle school student

1209
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:17.840
because it's very readable. What makes geopolitics and geography readily

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01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:21.560
understandable and important and the pro and the thing is

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01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:29.079
with the uh. The problem with Prisoner's you have to

1212
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:32.720
be able to uh. Oh lost my train of thought there.

1213
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.399
Momentarily I was going off with the prisonership geography thing.

1214
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:38.600
But the problem is you have to be able to

1215
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:40.840
understand the importance of geography.

1216
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:41.000
Oh.

1217
01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:45.039
Yes. The problem with the Russian is the Russian perception

1218
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:50.359
of security. The Russians have a word yasopastos to describe

1219
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:56.680
security jaeso means without danger. Their concept of security is

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01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:02.560
more absolute than ours concept of security. We what they

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01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:05.159
they are talking about when they talk about visa posnos

1222
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.520
without danger, they are talking about the absence of threat,

1223
01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.680
and so they in order for them to feel insecure,

1224
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:17.600
in order for them to feel secure, their neighbors must

1225
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:22.520
be made to feel insecure or subordinate. It's an extension

1226
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:28.760
of the Russian cultural attitude of tokovo superior inferior, not equality.

1227
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.199
Right, I see, I see the point there, and you

1228
01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:33.680
kind of touched on it earlier. But this is just

1229
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:37.840
my take and and it's it's been very well documented

1230
01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:42.079
during Putin's time of existence as a leader or the

1231
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:47.279
leader of Russia, and he seems like just literally an

1232
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:51.159
alpha male type who just needs to be acknowledged, needs

1233
01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:55.560
to be respected, And I think he felt slighted. Now

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01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.760
I'm not I'm not advocating for him being correct in

1235
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.239
invading Ukraine in any way. I'm just saying that he

1236
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.560
did seem like he felt slighted by being ignored and

1237
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:10.640
isolated and everything, because he was Obviously, he's a world power,

1238
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:13.760
no matter how we wanted, how much we wanted to

1239
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.479
diminish or most people doing to diminish Russia as a

1240
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.800
world power. They are And when all of this was

1241
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.680
going on. The powers that be, the biggest currently in

1242
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.479
the world, which is still the United States of America,

1243
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.800
wanted to isolate him and just kind of just pigeonhole

1244
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.880
him from acknowledgment or even trying to have any kind

1245
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:37.119
of talks whatsoever in how to alleviate this. No matter

1246
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:41.439
how wrong Russia was, I still feel that the Biden

1247
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:45.880
administration's tactics didn't help in the situation. And here we

1248
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.000
are now, and now we have Trump making outlandish statements

1249
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:52.119
to try to get people to the table, and it's

1250
01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.640
we're just everything just seems very unstable right now, and

1251
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:58.319
I'm not really able to see that we're going to

1252
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.560
actually come to an agreement because, as you said earlier,

1253
01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:06.239
Russia will not surrender. They don't, it's not in their vocabulary.

1254
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.760
They don't see that. They don't they don't see compromise.

1255
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:13.199
And Zelensky is adamant on not compromising either. And so

1256
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.359
I'm not sure there's an answer that I'm not asking

1257
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:17.039
for answer. By the way, you know this, we're being

1258
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:18.039
theoretical at this point.

1259
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:20.039
I'll get, i'll get, I'll give you, I'll give you one.

1260
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:24.560
Which here's the the essential problem again, which the Trump

1261
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:28.199
administration has to address is the fact that during the

1262
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:32.640
Cold War, the United States and its NATO allies had

1263
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:37.880
a grand strategy which governed the actions and allowed the

1264
01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:40.920
United States and its allies to consistently deal with the

1265
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:43.399
Soviet Union during the entire period of the Cold War.

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01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:49.560
That was the Grand Strategy of Containment, which was originally it,

1267
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:56.119
but George Kennan elucidated that strategy in the nineteen forty

1268
01:15:56.159 --> 01:16:03.800
seven issue of Foreign Affairs. Containment was a strategic defensive

1269
01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:07.239
designed to not try to roll back the Soviet Union,

1270
01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.840
but to prevent it from achieving through subversion or conquest.

1271
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:14.760
Just a defensive strategy to contain them, not go to

1272
01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:18.880
war against them, but is sented to rely on the

1273
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:24.079
internal contradictions that Kennon argued were consistent within the Soviet

1274
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:27.760
system until the essentially contained them long enough, and the

1275
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:31.000
Soviet Union will buckle under the stresses of its own

1276
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:36.920
internal contradictions. History proved Kennon right, because starting in nineteen

1277
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:42.119
eighty five, the Soviet Union was starting to show the

1278
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:47.800
problems of its political instability and even the failure of

1279
01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:51.479
its economic system. So eventually the Soviet Union collapsed of

1280
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:54.800
its own dead weight by nineteen eighty nine and the

1281
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:59.119
republics and the Warsaw Pact dissolved. And here NATO is

1282
01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:02.720
confronted with a essentially a power vacuum, and the Eastern

1283
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:07.600
European nations wanted to join NATO, so NATO gladly accepted.

1284
01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:12.159
And while while Putin usk Is seen this as a

1285
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:15.359
great disaster, well, it was a disaster of the Soviet

1286
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:18.600
Union zone making. And so he really does not have

1287
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.319
a leg to stand on claiming that it's going to

1288
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:26.640
contribute to a world peace and political stability for Russia

1289
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.800
to rebuild its own empire, that they have shown that

1290
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:34.319
their ambitions are essentially unlimited, and that is just simply

1291
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:37.039
going to bring on more warfare. How do you stop that?

1292
01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:41.199
You have to stop. You have to is disagreeable, it

1293
01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:44.000
may sound to some people. You have to neutralize the

1294
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:46.720
thing that makes them think they're a great power. You

1295
01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:51.359
have to make make them channel mister rogers, make them

1296
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:54.399
learn the hard way how to be good neighbors. And

1297
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.760
it may take a while, but it's better than going

1298
01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:57.640
to all out war.

1299
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:05.359
Okay, I I can absolutely swallow that for sure, because

1300
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.920
it seems like it may be the only effective measure

1301
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:14.239
against such a powerful military. I mean, it is a

1302
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:15.720
big military, regardless.

1303
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:15.840
Of it is.

1304
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:18.840
And we don't we don't want to have a world conflict.

1305
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:20.720
I don't know just in anyone's interest.

1306
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:23.960
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.

1307
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.159
Asked what want into World War two? Should have told us.

1308
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:29.840
That, yeah, what what led us from getting away from

1309
01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:33.800
this containment strategy? Though? Because it seems, ah.

1310
01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.880
Well can take well. Remember when the Soviet Union collapsed,

1311
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:38.279
there was no there was no opponent to contain anymore.

1312
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.119
No understood, I I I get that. But but we

1313
01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:43.520
obviously got away from that strategy because Putin has been

1314
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:48.199
very effective for so many years. And yes, and it's

1315
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.439
we may have gotten away from it. Europe may have

1316
01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:51.319
gotten away from it.

1317
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.960
We forgot that, We forgot a crucial lesson of history.

1318
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.079
Henry Kissinger. Yeah. In the in the preface to my

1319
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:01.000
book The Russian View, Yes Strategy out what history Henry

1320
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.640
Kissinger was predicting at the end of the Cold War.

1321
01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:09.279
Even though Russia seems to be prostrate right now, he

1322
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:14.000
says Russia will eventually begin to reassert itself. Henry Kissinger

1323
01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:18.600
correctly predicted this that Russia would inevitably begin to reassert

1324
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:22.239
itself once it is economically recovered, and it will become

1325
01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:26.680
an assertive power once again. So the interesting thing that

1326
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:29.439
we failed to what we failed in doing, is we

1327
01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:34.199
failed to develop a grand strategy for the post Cold

1328
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:37.319
War period. We fail. Okay, how do we deal with

1329
01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:42.359
a resurgent Russia, a competitive China. Do we develop a

1330
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:48.159
new neo containment strategy? Or what I propose in proposed

1331
01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:52.199
in my book. The Russian view is that the US

1332
01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:59.119
should become the world's geopolitical balancer. Mckinder once had this

1333
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:04.560
in his of whoever dominates the world island dominates the world. Well,

1334
01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:09.439
Great Britain acted as a geopolitical balancer with respect to

1335
01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:13.399
the continent of Europe during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.

1336
01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:17.279
They balanced the pathway. Yeah, yep, the old British Empire

1337
01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:21.359
acted as a geopolitical balancer. So now the United States,

1338
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:25.399
in an analogous situation, should act as the world's geopolitical

1339
01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:29.119
balancer in the twenty first century and use its power

1340
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:34.239
not to control necessarily or project its power all over

1341
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:36.840
the world, but to be able to use it judiciously

1342
01:20:37.479 --> 01:20:43.159
to frustrate or negate any potential aggressive empire builder from

1343
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:47.039
attempting to dominate the world island. It's you're basically trying

1344
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:49.600
to force a stalemate, an indefinite stalemate.

1345
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:53.119
Yeah, I agree with I agree with your statements there

1346
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:56.680
with throw the statue though, but sure of one of

1347
01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.439
the greatest ways to control a nation is economically, because

1348
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.640
it's exactly how we've been keeping North Korea and Check

1349
01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:08.560
all this time. Okay, and and so when it came

1350
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:13.039
to Russia though, we never fully went down that pathway.

1351
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:18.840
You know, they supply Europe with so much energy. Now

1352
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:23.479
what happened with this Ukraine conflict. Finally, finally they got

1353
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:25.239
wise and said, hey, you know what we're gonna have

1354
01:21:25.239 --> 01:21:27.239
to We're gonna have to turn off the finances here.

1355
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:29.760
We've got to turn off that faucet, and we're no

1356
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:31.880
longer to get energy from you, and we're gonna get elsewhere.

1357
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.359
But here we are, all of a sudden, European nations

1358
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:38.199
are backtracking on that strategy and saying, you know what,

1359
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:42.000
we need to re engage Russia for energy again. So

1360
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:44.439
it's like we're not even I mean not even from

1361
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:46.960
from history of old. We came and learned from history

1362
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:50.800
within a few months. You know, it's it's kind of ridiculous,

1363
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:51.800
so it can't stick to the plan.

1364
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:55.520
And the thing is, we are we are not a

1365
01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:57.479
truly unified coalition.

1366
01:21:57.920 --> 01:21:59.279
True and the end.

1367
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:04.439
Here's where the Trump administration could exercise genuine leadership in

1368
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:10.600
consultation with its NATO allies in formulating a grand strategic framework,

1369
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.399
a grand strategy for the twenty first century and beyond.

1370
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:17.319
This is the true challenge for the Trump administration, and

1371
01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:21.880
the instrument of wisdom, the creation of wisdom, which I've described,

1372
01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:26.279
would be one very important instrument in carrying out that

1373
01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:30.000
sort of grand strategy. The idea is the United States

1374
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:35.560
as both the combination of the arsenal of democracy, the

1375
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:38.479
arsenal of freedom, you know, an example for the rest

1376
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:43.920
of the world, but also the potential to generate large

1377
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:48.840
amounts of economic wealth. For example, if we successfully develop

1378
01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:56.960
fusion power for use commercially, what the potential of fusion

1379
01:22:57.039 --> 01:22:59.960
power is to provide for the people of the world

1380
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:05.359
an unlimited source of energy to clean, carbon free if

1381
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:09.600
you're worried about that sort of stuff, but the but

1382
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:13.880
essentially an unlimited amount of energy forever right for all

1383
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:18.560
practically intense and that, and the historical experience has been

1384
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:22.159
every time that humanity has developed a new source of energy,

1385
01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:27.760
the result has been a massive increase in wealth creation.

1386
01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.279
Every time it has never failed. It generates more wealth

1387
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:36.000
and raises the standard of living for people worldwide.

1388
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:37.880
You know, and this is the potential. Yeah, and then

1389
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:42.079
on that energy topic, since you brought that up, it's crazy. Hell,

1390
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:45.880
we've held ourselves back from not fully engaging in the

1391
01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:50.720
nuclear energy possibilities, especially with all the safeguards we have.

1392
01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:53.960
And you know, we've been dealing with nuclear since if

1393
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:57.840
I'm correct, the sixties or so. Yes, Okay, so with

1394
01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.760
all that time gone by, we've definitely developed much safer measures.

1395
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.960
We definitely have a handle on on power plants, and

1396
01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:06.920
we could even do them on a smaller scale now

1397
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:09.119
almost I wouldn't say like a micro power plant, but

1398
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:12.399
more definitely much smaller than they used to be, so

1399
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:14.359
you can have one in every city if you need be,

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01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:17.479
for example. So, yeah, I wonder why we haven't really

1401
01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:19.760
gone down that road and we're still relying on these

1402
01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:24.199
older methods of energy.

1403
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:27.359
For the power of the power grouprid Yes, because our

1404
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:30.119
power grid is becoming inc increasingly vulnerable.

1405
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.880
Too, because that's that's their and that could really, as

1406
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:39.880
you said, push this world further forward. Why what what's

1407
01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:42.560
going on with that? Why why are we so so stubborn?

1408
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:51.199
Well, to its credit, the Trump administration is looking at

1409
01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:55.520
ways for unleashing creation of more energy, and people like

1410
01:24:55.560 --> 01:25:00.479
Elon Musk and others. You know, Elon would certainly welcome,

1411
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:05.720
for example, the development of nuclear therbal propulsion engines because

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01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:08.680
that makes the space fleet more effective, and it also

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01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:12.199
makes missions to Mars if he's looking at trying to

1414
01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:16.119
colonize Mars, at least with a small scientific colony, because

1415
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:20.000
there are still many other charge challenges that they come

1416
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:24.720
with trying to explore Mars. But you have the great

1417
01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:29.880
potential for again, widespread use of nuclear energy would be

1418
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:34.720
a useful backup for nuclear fusion power because those two

1419
01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:38.279
in combination, you could satisfy the energy needs of humanity

1420
01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:42.760
in a car in a non polluting manner indefinitely, and

1421
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:49.960
that would introduce a potential golden age for wealth creation.

1422
01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:52.399
And yeah, and the advestment of technology, because now we

1423
01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:54.319
have the energy, we have the ability and.

1424
01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:58.920
If you couple that a couple that development again with

1425
01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:04.000
the creation of wisdom to neutralize the possibility of global

1426
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:07.960
thermon nuclear war. Then you have a really winning commendation

1427
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:11.439
and you have the potential for the Trump administration to

1428
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:15.199
make significant contributions to the betterment of humanity.

1429
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:19.680
Yes, well, doctor Lockwood, I want to be respectful of

1430
01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:24.399
your time because you are three hours ahead of me, and.

1431
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:27.119
So hey, I'm armed with my coffee. I can take

1432
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.199
I can. I've got it. I've got it. I'm not

1433
01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:30.279
running on fumes.

1434
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.319
No, No, you're not, you're not. I just want to

1435
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:36.520
make sure I'm respecting your time here. So with that

1436
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:41.359
being said, like I I really like everything that you said,

1437
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.319
and I liked your proposals. I really hope though, that

1438
01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:48.119
we can come to some kind of peace agreement between

1439
01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:51.319
Ukraine and Russia. And you know this all hinges on

1440
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:53.760
whether or not Putin wants to be stubborn improve the point,

1441
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:58.359
I think I am a little fearful as as far

1442
01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:01.640
as how Trump has been acting lately. Not that not

1443
01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:02.840
that he has I.

1444
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:06.319
Share your fear because he can be. It's he's exciting

1445
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:08.560
to watch, but a little dangerous. Davy light.

1446
01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:12.239
Yeah, absolutely, and we need our allies. We cannot look

1447
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:18.399
it's been predicted by by Intel people in the Intel

1448
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:22.119
community that we are definitely we're definitely going to be

1449
01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:25.600
engaging with China in a peer on peer war here

1450
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.159
probably around twenty twenty seven. It really seems like we're

1451
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.840
on the fast track of doing that. We need to

1452
01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:36.960
get this situation with Ukraine and Russia under control before

1453
01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:40.960
we can even think about engaging with China. And so

1454
01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:45.279
there's my fear in how the Trump administration has been

1455
01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:48.600
acting as as far as our allies are concerned. I mean,

1456
01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:51.680
are are Are they correct in calling them out for

1457
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:54.560
not carrying their own weight? Sure, but at the same

1458
01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:57.199
time you do have to kind of like pat him

1459
01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:01.319
on the back and realize that, look, I'm just going

1460
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.800
no offense, but if shit hits the fan for example, No,

1461
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:06.560
we need our friends period.

1462
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:07.159
Yes we do.

1463
01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:09.960
Yeah we're not We're big, but we're not that big.

1464
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.119
I mean, the world is bigger than we are, So

1465
01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:13.800
we do need our friends.

1466
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:16.640
Even in World War Two, we had we had to

1467
01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:20.520
be very even though we had amazing resources, we had

1468
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:24.560
to very carefully plan what how much were we going

1469
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:28.560
to develop devote developing naval power? How much did we

1470
01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.800
devote to air power? And how much would would we

1471
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:35.720
have to devote for our army, and we ended up

1472
01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:39.359
building it. We ended up using economy of force, relying

1473
01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:44.119
on air superiority and naval superiority to get to a

1474
01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:49.159
basis to have to uh mobilize only ninety divisions, only

1475
01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:54.960
ninety divisions. And we calculated that that allocation of forces

1476
01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.479
so finely that by the time of the Battle of

1477
01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:02.720
the Bulge in December nineteen, we had to win that

1478
01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:06.279
battle with the forces we had left because we had

1479
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:10.560
just committed the last of our divisions. We had calculated

1480
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:15.760
it that precisely, And so that gives you an idea. Yeah,

1481
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.479
we couldn't go it alone in World War Two. No,

1482
01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:21.520
we were providing the bulk of the power. And in

1483
01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:25.319
any future war, especially if we adopt a strategy of

1484
01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:29.680
being the world's geopolitical balancer, we allies are a must.

1485
01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:33.720
We have to reinforce what allies we have, not attempt

1486
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:37.960
to go it alone or or god forbid, become isolationists,

1487
01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:41.279
because eventually the war would eventually the war would come

1488
01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:41.640
to us.

1489
01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:47.239
That's not a strategy of success at all, being an isolationist. Now,

1490
01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.520
since I did bring up China, though they are an

1491
01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:53.680
ally of Russia. Now, what I found interesting through this

1492
01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:59.119
entire conflict is China has not been too vocal in

1493
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:03.000
their stance on this. They've sent some aid to Russia,

1494
01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:05.760
but it's mostly in like I don't know, like micro

1495
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:07.600
chips and other things like that, so they can continue

1496
01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:11.000
to develop technologies in the war. But they haven't even

1497
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:13.920
sent any troops to help, which was interesting because North

1498
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.039
Korea stepped up and did so. China's kind of been

1499
01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:18.880
a little hands off in this whole thing, and it's

1500
01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:21.880
very interesting to watch them in this involvement. What do

1501
01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:22.439
you think of that?

1502
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:27.680
I think they are recognizing tacitly that their Russian ally

1503
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:30.960
isn't exactly as dominating as they thought they were going

1504
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:35.760
to be. They're hedging their bets yea and so, and

1505
01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:39.039
they are trying to develop their own sources military. They're

1506
01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:43.000
trying to develop their own nuclear arsenal and build that up,

1507
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.840
which is also all the more reason why if you're

1508
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.399
going to be dealing with you, if we're all the

1509
01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:50.159
more reason for developing wisdom.

1510
01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:54.479
Yeah, absolutely, I agree with you there. Maybe China also

1511
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:58.920
sees Russia as no longer really completely aligning with their

1512
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:02.760
views or with their agendas anyway, that could also be

1513
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.039
the case. I mean Putin has kind of well he

1514
01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.039
hasn't kind of he is showing to be more dictorial

1515
01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:11.439
in his in his efforts and his actions in the world,

1516
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.359
especially now as he's getting older and really thinking about

1517
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:17.920
his legacy. I believe so maybe China's looking beyond that.

1518
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:20.399
They're like, look, yeah, we're allies, but maybe you're not

1519
01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:21.520
the partner we really need.

1520
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:27.439
Well, neither Putin nor g are spring Chickens.

1521
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:30.960
Well, no, no, no, no, understood. And I'm not trying

1522
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:32.960
to make this an ageous thing. It's just you know,

1523
01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:36.159
after a while, he's been Look, Putin's been been a

1524
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:38.920
leader for a while, and he's always wanted to reunite

1525
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:42.399
the old USSR period, and he knows he has so

1526
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:45.079
much time to do so. So that's that's why I

1527
01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:47.319
make that statement. I just think I just think he can.

1528
01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:50.359
He's he's feeling the pressure of Look, if I want

1529
01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:52.319
to get this done, I better get this done now.

1530
01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:54.800
And that's why I made that statement. It really wasn't

1531
01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.479
to demean anybody by age. It was just I think

1532
01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:02.039
he sees his timeline, he sees how much time he

1533
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:06.720
has and he's like, I'm going to now make this happen.

1534
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:09.600
And that's just my opinion based on what I see.

1535
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:13.279
So yeah, well if he if he, if he's a

1536
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:18.560
factoring in his own mortality as driving his timeline, then

1537
01:32:18.680 --> 01:32:22.640
it becomes all the more imperative for the Western powers

1538
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:23.960
to say, no, you're not.

1539
01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:26.640
Agree, and I agree with you.

1540
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:31.800
I do, absolutely says your your mortality, your legacy is

1541
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:33.079
not our priority.

1542
01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:37.119
No, absolutely true. I agree.

1543
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.079
So that that's going to be the message that they're

1544
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:42.239
going to have to learn to learn to deliver it

1545
01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:46.439
to mister Prutin. And this is a George. I have

1546
01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:50.279
genuinely enjoyed this discussion. It has been energizing. Yeah, I

1547
01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:55.720
appreciate it, and I welcome any future opportunities as as

1548
01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:56.439
things develop.

1549
01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.600
Listen, next time, I guarantee where you to go the

1550
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:01.640
full two hours, believe me, if not.

1551
01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:04.319
Longer, really, well, let's see, yeah it's full hard. Well

1552
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:10.600
let's see a mere a mere hour and a half. Ah, yeah,

1553
01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:11.720
we fell a little.

1554
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.720
Short, but I think well, I think that we I

1555
01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:18.880
think we covered everything very concisely, and and you made

1556
01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:24.000
some very very good arguments. So it's like, I'm not

1557
01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:25.840
really sure I'm not really sure what else we can

1558
01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.279
add to this Ukraine Russia situation because it's it's still developing,

1559
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:32.920
right and it's developing by the hour. So it's probably

1560
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.399
best that look at this point, you made some great points,

1561
01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:39.359
I had some questions answered, and I think this is

1562
01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:41.479
something we need to revisit because it's we're not done.

1563
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:43.000
We're absolutely not done with the situation.

1564
01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:46.800
So I'll get my closing statement as far as the

1565
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:50.640
Ukraine Russia conflict is, is that you here you have

1566
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:57.119
two nations with politically irreconcilable goals. Yeah, the restoration of

1567
01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:00.720
the Russian Empire versus the sovereignty of Ukraine. These are

1568
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:05.199
politically irreconcilable that they can be cited realistically only by

1569
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:08.600
war in which one side or the other prevails. And

1570
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:13.199
any peace agreement which rewards Russia in any way for

1571
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:17.199
having invaded Ukraine is not a peace agreement. It is appeasement.

1572
01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:20.880
And therefore we'll set the stage for another war, which

1573
01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:23.840
neither NATO, the United States or Ukraine wants.

1574
01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:28.239
Can argue with that statement, Why don't you for the listeners,

1575
01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:30.520
I have tell everybody how they can connect with you,

1576
01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.800
where they can find information on you, etc. If you

1577
01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:35.439
have any social media.

1578
01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:40.159
Well, okay, I let's see you can. They should check

1579
01:34:40.159 --> 01:34:44.119
out IBMTV pod TV on which I appear on the

1580
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:49.960
Ukrainian show, The Ukraine Show with and I will What

1581
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.239
I will do, George is I will send you the

1582
01:34:53.319 --> 01:34:57.239
email for my producer. Okay, and you they can. You

1583
01:34:57.319 --> 01:34:59.479
can then send it to your listeners and they can

1584
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:02.119
tune into the Ukraine Show, which is every Tuesday and

1585
01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:06.560
every Friday at eleven a m. Eastern Standard time, and

1586
01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:09.359
usually goes for at least a half hour, sometimes for

1587
01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:11.960
as much as an hour. And they have the option

1588
01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:16.319
to you sort of, uh, actually pop into the broadcast

1589
01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:19.640
itself and ask questions. All that doesn't happen too often.

1590
01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:24.439
We are still equipped to handle it, okay, And for uh,

1591
01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:27.800
if interest viewers who are interested in the I have

1592
01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:32.159
two published books which are available on Amazon Books. You

1593
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:35.000
just simply you know, Google Amazon, get on their book

1594
01:35:35.039 --> 01:35:38.600
section and look up either The Russian View of US

1595
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:43.520
Strategy It's Pasted its Future by Jonathan S. Lockwood and

1596
01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:47.439
Kathleen O'Brien Lockwood. We co authored that one. The other

1597
01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:53.039
book is The Lockwood Analytical Method for Prediction LAMP l

1598
01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:55.960
a MP. Now that is a that might be a

1599
01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:59.439
topic for another for another another time, But that is

1600
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:03.039
an an analytical method which I developed and for which

1601
01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:06.359
apparently I'm still very well known in the intelligence community.

1602
01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:09.439
Actually, when I looked your name up after we connected,

1603
01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:11.640
I looked, you know, just to do a little soft

1604
01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:14.239
you know, dive on you, and LAMP came up quite

1605
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:18.159
a bit. So we do have to discuss that another episode,

1606
01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:18.560
for sure.

1607
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:21.640
Oh yeah, there's an interesting there's an interesting thing, but

1608
01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:27.079
that was published in twenty thirteen and it is it

1609
01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:30.359
is a structured method for making an intelligence prediction.

1610
01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:32.960
Yeah, let's let's save that for another because I am

1611
01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:34.600
interested in talking about that one with you, for sure.

1612
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:38.880
You know what I do though, I let me mention

1613
01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:40.800
this too. I'm going to create a guest page for

1614
01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.119
you on my website, and we were going to make

1615
01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:44.720
sure that we have all these links there so when

1616
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:47.960
they click on this episode, you will pop up, and

1617
01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:49.399
then we'll make sure that I can get all those

1618
01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:51.359
links from you that you have, and we'll make that

1619
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.039
part of your guest profile on the website on my

1620
01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:57.000
end as well, So hopefully that'll help listeners find you

1621
01:36:57.960 --> 01:36:59.039
a little bit easier as well.

1622
01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:04.279
Fantastic. Yeah not this is this has been very energizing

1623
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:08.199
and interesting discussion. I really enjoyed it.

1624
01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:11.079
I appreciate your time. Yeah, oh very good, Dan.

1625
01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:14.560
So yeah, I'm going to get back and to hunkering

1626
01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:18.560
down in this cold weather, winter weather and just yeah,

1627
01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:22.279
just just chilling out and maybe getting a bottle, maybe

1628
01:37:22.279 --> 01:37:24.000
getting a glass at Bubbly or something.

1629
01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.319
That's kind of where I'm going next. I'm a big

1630
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:28.880
champagne guy, so I'm about to pop a cork here,

1631
01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:33.239
Doctor Lockwood. Thank you very much, and I guarantee you

1632
01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:36.319
and I will be staying in touch. So yes, appreciate

1633
01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:39.800
your time. Excellent, awesome, Thank you as always, Thank you

1634
01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:43.119
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