65 - Dr. Jonathan S. Lockwood - Russian Aggression Towards Ukraine and America's Iron Dome Solution

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You are listening to a Fonds Media Network production.

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Welcome one of the Blades listeners. Today, I have retired

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Army Intelligence Colonel Doctor Jonathan S. Lockwood, PhDe. Doctor Lockwood

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offers his insight based on his many years of experience

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into the Ukraine Russia situation, as well as offering some

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very unique solutions that can be deployed to further strengthen

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American defenses and deploy an effective iron dome. Doctor Lockwood

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and I had an insightful conversation that I believe you

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will find very informative.

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Put that over you. What's going on in Ukraine? I

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deal with it twice a week on the Ukraine Show

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with IBMTV pod TV. We do it every Tuesday and

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every Friday. And we went about one of our podcasters,

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Yvon Kirrachenko. He is in Kiev, so he's our man

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on the spot and the host of the host of

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the podcasts uh Sasha Starr. He is based in Canada,

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but he's Ukrainian native Ukrainian and he's he lives in Canada,

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and so so I have a Ukrainian host based in

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Canada and a Ukrainian co host who's based in Kiev,

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and I'm I'm the Russia expert.

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Got it, So you have definitely gotta grass what's going

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on with the Ukraine Russia situation then. And so before

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before we go too much further in this recording, I

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got to announce your name so people actually know who

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you are. You are doctor Jonathan Lockwood, PhD.

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Yep, and you know, but you know it's you know,

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it's really striking about that. And you don't have to

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mention this to your audience, but I came into the

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army with my PhD the same year that our current

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Security Defense Hegseth was born.

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Well, we're recording, so we're just gonna let everybody know

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about that because I think I think that offers some

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unique perspective in terms of who you are in your

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experience in these matters. You know, it's it's it's it's one.

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It's one thing to be recognized, right such as you know,

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uh sec def Hegseth right now. But for someone with

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your experience with the PhD, who's actually taught, you know,

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at a university level, and you you have been leaned

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on as a subject matter expert for so long in

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your career, I mean, I think that just speaks volume.

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So for me to have you on it is awesome

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because you know, I've talked about this Russia Ukraine situation

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with many people, some YouTube famous people, some people maybe

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you know, I don't know, but also an intelligence community.

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Well here's something that can make you excited. When we

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get to the discussion about the Iron Dome.

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Yeah, I want to talk about that for sure.

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I have some unique recommendations that if the Trump administration

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hears about them and acts on them, this will be awesome.

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The thing that I'm going to be talking about the

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suggestions for making the Iron Dome work, this is the

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I am the only one in the world making these

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particular types of suggestions. No one else is. And you

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will understand why once we get into it, because I

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first introduced the concept back in my book The Russian

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View of US Strategy, which was published in nineteen ninety three,

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and the predictions that I made in that book are

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coming true now wow, which is yeah, so it's gonna it.

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This could be wild.

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Well, we're definitely, We're definitely going to get to that

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for sure. So I'm gonna put up oh In in that.

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But just because it's so hot, right now, let's start

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with the Russia Ukraine situation, because it seems as I

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had an idea of what to ask you and what

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to go over, but as we were just discussed online earlier,

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it's like it seems by the hour, almost every twenty minutes,

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there's an update as to what's going on.

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So it is a fast moving train and it's going

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to be we have to we have to jump on board,

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and the you are, we are on the We are

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at the hinge of history. Absolutely, this is a sise

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of moment in history and the great favor that this

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conflict is giving us. It is making the world more

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aware of historical precedent. Absolutely, of trying to learn the

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lessons of history. If there was ever a need to

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learn the lessons of history, this is it.

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Yeah, I agree, But it seems like at the moment

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we're kind of repeating a bit of it.

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Yep. Yeah, And they keep they people keep thinking about

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Munich nineteen thirty eight, right, and I would bring up that,

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I'll bring up that parallel, and I'll bring up what

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Churchill had to say about it.

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Well, let's actually let's get to that. Let's get to

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that point. You want to make right after, right after

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we discussed this, because I want to ask you. I

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want to ask you a question. I do get political

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on my show when I do my solo episodes, but

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I'm going to try to keep out of that. We'll

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just talk about the present for who he is and

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whatnot and stay out of right left politics for now. Right,

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So the question being, do you yourself, with all your

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experience and knowledge and everything that you've done and assess

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in these situations throughout the years, how do you feel

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about Trump being criticized for trying to negotiate with Putin?

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People are feeling that Zelensky should have a seat at

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the table with I don't think he's necessarily not going

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to be invited. But we also have to acknowledge that

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during the Biden administration, even even a little bit towards

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the end of Obamas, mostly during the Biden administration they

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kind of isolated Putin from any types of negotiations and

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only talk to him through through the ambassadorship in you

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know what, twenty twenty two, and then there was nothing

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really more from that since then. How do you feel

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about the criticism that Trump is getting for trying to

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bring Putin to the table and talk to him directly

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to find out what he would like in.

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This Well, I don't vote the president for wanting to

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reach out and bring an end to the war. The

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problem is, you can't focus on bringing the end of

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an end to the war just for the sake of

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bringing an end to the war, because you have to

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be able to guarantee the peace that follows. And the

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problem is you cannot have peace at any price, because

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if you focus on that, you can fall into the

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trap at Neville Chamberlain fell into in nineteen thirty eight,

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where he basically, in order to gain peace for our time,

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as he put it, he engaged in what is appeasement.

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You know, you gave him what he wanted and hoped

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that he would honor and not start a war as

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a result. And Winston Churchill, as we recall, he said

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to Neville Chamberlain, he said, you had a choice between

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dishonor and war. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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And it was true, and Churchill was absolutely correct. And

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now people, to their credit, various nations across the world

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are remembering that historical precedent and they are drawing parallels

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with it. And they are very concerned that the Trump

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administration may fall into the same trap in their eagerness

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to establish a peace agreement. Now President Trump wants to

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He pays very much. He is very mindful of his

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potential legacy after the end of his second term. He

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would certainly like to be remembered as a man who

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brought peace to the Russia Ukraine War. But by the

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same token, also he does not want to be remembered

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as a sucker. Yeah, someone or someone who has taken

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advantage I have played for a fool. He does not

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want that either. So I have noted that he has

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mentioned some made remarks that said that that we can't

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ford to stop supporting Ukraine or otherwise Putin will think

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he's won. And Putin apparently does seem to think that

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he is winning, although I would tend to argue with

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his rationale for it, because he is not gaining a

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decisive victory on the battlefield. He is taking horrendous casualties.

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They are largely his own fault because he overestimated the

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Russian army's own ability to essentially occupy Ukraine. He greatly

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underestimated Ukraine's will and ability to resist.

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And I agree with that point. I agree with that point.

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I have talked about this previously with another individual. And

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what is interesting though, is he's not winning the land

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battle at all. But we also have to point out

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that Putin has not unleashed the full potential of the

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Russian military either, which I have to question why. I

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don't understand it. It's above me, to be honest, it's

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beyond my comprehension as to why he's not going full force,

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other than maybe that he knows he would decimate a

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land that he wants to make part of Russia, and

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maybe he didn't want to go through the process of

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rebuilding it if he did. But what is your opinion

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on why he hasn't unleashed the full potential of the

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Russian military on Ukraine.

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Well, okay, he has. One of the things we have

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to remember is that Putin has been capitalizing on the

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fact that they have technically the world's largest nuclear arsenal.

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And the importance of the nuclear arsenal to Russia itself

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cannot be overstated because based on my research in my

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book The Russian View of US Strategy, as well as

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the previous book The Soviet View of US strategic doctrine

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and my observations of Russian behavior sent in the post

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Cold War period. For president, Russian President Boris Yelsen stated

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in a speech to the Russian Duma in nineteen ninety four,

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he stated, the only reason Russia is considered a great

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power is because its armed forces have nuclear weapons. Now,

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that statement tells you more than they practically. He practically

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gave the game away there with that statement, because during

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the Cold War as well as in the post Cold

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War period, the Russians viewed their nuclear arsenal as the

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decision not only as a symbol of their great power status,

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but as their principal means of leverage over the West,

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the implication of the growth of their view of US

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strategic doctrine. They saw it as a forced response to

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the growth of Soviet nuclear power. The implication, the more

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the Russians built their nuclear arsenal, the more the United

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States would be forced to accommodate itself to the growth

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of Soviet power. So this provided no really definable upper

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limit when it gave them a self sustaining motivation for

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building Soviet nuclear power. So that is interesting. And in

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the post Globar period they have used that as their

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principal means of leverage of trying to intimidate the West,

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relying on the Western fear of nuclear escalation in order

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to give them cover to pursue their military and political objectives.

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So this becomes a fascinating dynamic it's playing out. But

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this also reveals a potential weakness that a means for

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the that the West has not yet fully taken advantage of.

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The implications of it are clear in the success of

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the ballistic missile defense efforts in Ukraine. Ukraine has experienced

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a great deal of success with the Patriot system and

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that it had a high rate of intercept and other

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ballistic missile defense systems at least the not the lasers,

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not laser systems, but ballistic missile defense and stems that

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have been highly successful. This has great potential if it

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is properly complemented with other types of developments of the

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for example, bring in to fully create the Iron Dome

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over the United States. But it has to be done

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in a different way than Israel is doing it.

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So do you think so? Do you think that maybe

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their power is just a perceived power because of their

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nuclear armament?

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That is correct? Okay, they call their forces. It's interesting

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the Russian word that they use, they don't have an

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exact word for deterrence in the sense that we have it.

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They call they translate our word for deterrence, they translated

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as ustrashnya, which means intimidation. So they call their nuclear

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nuclear intimidation forces.

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Okay, and this is.

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Not very caught on very well in the West.

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What about what about the irishnik missile technology, the hypersonic

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missile technology? Was that just a show kind of like, hey,

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look what else we have in our arsenal because it

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seemed like it was a one time use. And it's

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been argued that the only reason that they haven't used

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more of them is because they can't afford to and

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maybe there was a financial constraint here as to also

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why they're not, you know, doing a full court press,

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as they say against Ukraine. What do you think of

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that assessment or that opinion.

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Well, it's it's probably a very sound assessment, because we

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must One of the historic weaknesses of the Russian military,

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which very clearly shown in World War Two and carrying

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through to the present still, is their logistics capability, their

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ability to supply and sustain war. I will point out

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that in World War Two the Russian logistical system was

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basically horse drawn wagons. That that that there is and

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if it were had not been for the fact that

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the United States during World War Two was supplying Russia

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with Ford trucks, that was that gave the Russian army

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a motorized logistical capability which and eventually enabled them to

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drive the Nazis out of Russia, out of out of

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Slow Union. Without that, they would have had a very

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hard time driving. The Germans would have been able to

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last a lot longer on the Eastern Front had it

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not been for the logistical capability provided by the United States.

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Now that carries over into the current situation. The Russian

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logistical capability has been very suspect. There's a lot of

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corruption in the Russian logistical system.

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They'd steal from they steal from their own system.

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Exactly right, You've got You've nailed it. So here's what

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happens because of that weakness in their logistical capability. The

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Ukrainians are fully aware of it, and so they capitalize

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on it. They are striking deep at the Russian logistical system,

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at the infrastructure and what it has shown up in

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a continuing decrease in the power of a Russian offensive

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they don't really have. They are becoming less and less

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capable of sustaining offensive actions against the Ukrainian military. They

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are not much better off in their offensive than they

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claim to be. And of course they're using disinformation and

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other types of reports to confuse the issue and basically

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try to convince the world, yes, we are winning this war,

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when in fact they are not. Their Russian Black Sea

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fleet has been, you know, severely damaged. They really don't

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have a presence in the naval presence in the Black Sea.

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NATO could, with certain coordination, take advantage of this by

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getting Turkey's permission to allow NATO's fleet to get into

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the Black Sea and establish naval superiority for Ukraine on

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behalf of NATO helping them to shut off the Russian

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ability to use the Black Sea completely. There are opportunities

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there depending on and I pointed out on the Ukraine Show,

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even in the current situation, we have to remember we

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do not know everything that is going on behind the scenes. No, no,

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And the thing is people were saying early on in

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the war that Ukraine would never be allowed to use

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Hi Mars Kerry would never be allowed to use attacks

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and blow and behold. You know, the Ukrainians come up

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with surprise after surprise, right and there's still the potential

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even though right now, you know, everybody says, oh, it's

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impossible for Ukraine to recover the Crimea. I have pointed

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out on the show several times that the Crimea is

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a significant center of gravity in the Russian Ukrainian war.

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If the Ukraine does have the potential to seal off

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the logistical and reinforcement lines to Crimea, if they seal

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it off and make it impossible for the Russians to

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reinforce or resupply the Crimea, then the Ukrainians can use

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whatever strategic reserves they have to mount an offensive into

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Crimea and force the surrender of the Russian occupiers in Crimea.

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If that occurs, and the potential is there, then that

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would inflict a decisive operational defeat upon the Russian forces

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which they would not be able to disguise or explain away,

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and that would provide a significant victory for the Ukrainians

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to then form and negotiate a shall I say, justin

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lasting piece.

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piece of the puzzle. Way, I mean, is it kind

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of started with that what twenty fourteen fourteen? Yeah exactly.

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he maybe I don't know what Trump's strategy wasn't in

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this statement, but blaming Zelensky basically for this war and

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even pointing out the war that started back in twenty

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fourteen which led to the Minsk agreements and all that,

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and so is it Zelenski's fault? I mean, here's the thing.

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It was started under the guise of, hey, we're going

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to go in and protect Russian citizens or the people

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of Russia, because Crimea was mostly populated by Russian sympathizers

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or Russian citizens allegedly. You know, I don't know all

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the ins and outs you probably, I'm sure do, And

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so that that was a justification for putin the first time,

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going in and saying, you know, we're going to take

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this they annexed it as part of Russia. Now, but

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what you're saying is, even though that happened fast forward

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today's times, they can no longer really hold onto that

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land militarily. If Ukraine wanted to press Russia for it,

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and I think that would be a major win.

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There is a potential there for an operational surprise. Yeah, yeah,

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because Russia has not has failed to anticipate, as during

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this war, Ukraine's ability to resist and to inflict. They didn't,

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They didn't anticipate Ukrainian counter attack into the Kursk Oblast,

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and they still have not been able to demonstrate any

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real capability for driving the Ukrainians out. Now, it's a

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very interesting situation, and what I would say is that

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if the UH to attain an operation, obtaining an operational,

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significant operational victory is vital for Ukraine at this point.

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If I would use using a historical good historical analogy

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would be the American Civil War during that time the

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Confederates in eighteen sixty four, after Gettysburg, the Confederates were

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hoping for a political victory by running McClellan against Lincoln

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in the eighteen sixty four election. Now, in order to

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guarantee that the Union could sue the Civil War to

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lot to its conclusion, the Union army had to win

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victories against the Confederacy that would make it impossible for

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a foreign power such as Great Britain or France to

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politically intervene in the American Civil War, which was still

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a possibility, and the Confederates were trying to gain a

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political victory in the eighteen sixty four election. So the

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interplay between military operations and political developments was certainly very

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much at play all throughout the American Civil War, and

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I would argue it is still very much at play

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here in the Russian Ukrainian War and Ukraine. As noted,

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you may have noted has Celensky did talk to Mark

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Sturmer and to gain their support, and there is a

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great deal of evidence that various NATO nations will be

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willing to have peacekeeping troops in Ukraine to help secure peace. Now,

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that is not the optimal solution, but it is if

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the and if President Trump, I would argue at this point, whoever,

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whoever are the people that are on the Trump team

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who are supposed to be the Russian national security advisors,

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whoever is advising Trump on Russia, in my my opinion,

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is not doing his or her job at all. Well,

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they do not comparently understand.

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So you don't you know, they're not being or.

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They're not If they do understand, they're not being listened.

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To understood, Yeah, because I mean, it's the statement he

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made about this being Zelensky's fault, Lensky's fault for defending

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his own country from being invaded and calling him, look.

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What you made? Look what you made me?

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Do?

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You made me invade you? What?

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Hey? Look? I can agree that that is a bit

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of a ridiculous statement, But I do know that Trump's

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power in negotiating is making very outlandish public statements just

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to stress test the situation and see how people react.

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So I'm not sure if that is what he was

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trying to do here.

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But that may well be. That may well be, you know,

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let's let's give. Let's give the man. There is there

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are advantages and disadvantages to President Trump's approach. His approach

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is is that it's almost like he's almost like he's

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using a principle of judo, and judo, as you know,

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is the Japanese the gentle way, using an opponent's off

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balance points and trying to apply strength against weakness to

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keep an opponent off balance and not being able to

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anticipate your next attack to defeat him without killing him.

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So what is interesting is is that Trump's approach keeps

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his adversaries off balance and not being sure exactly what

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course of action he's really going to take, because because yeah,

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the people that point out the madman theory, look out,

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he's crazy. He might attact. And this is a clever

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element of deterrence, is because if you can keep your

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opponents uncertain of what you are going to do. Uh.

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President Trump was probably is correct and saying that if

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he had been president the consecutive second term, that the

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Russian War never would have occurred. That He's probably quite

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correct in that because Putin would never have dared attack

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because he feared Russia. Putin's he feared Trump's unpredictability. So

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that but besides that gate, he is now relying on

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his unpredictability to keep not only his adversaries off balance,

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but it also unfortunately keeps his allies off balance.

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Yes, and yeah, you're right there. Yeah, it's it's.

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Very it's very high. And his NATO allies and his

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other allies are trying to accommodate and predict and role

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sort of go with the flow and try to figure out, Okay,

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how do we work around this.

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So the question the question here, Jonathan, I have is

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how else should have the US gone about in supporting

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Zelensky or trying to get involved in ending this war

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through a negotiation because it seemed I'm just saying bid

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administration because it was a previous administration, not for you know,

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calling one good one bad, but the previous administration did

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seem to not be interested in talking to Putin whatsoever,

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even though he invaded in twenty two. There were warning

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signs leading up to that where they could have definitely

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gone to Putin or gone to Russian tried to squash

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this from even happening, I think, And we also have

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to acknowledge that this is just my opinion based on

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what I see. I'm not claiming I'm writing this, but

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from my perspective, I haven't seen the EU do much

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to get in the way or get ahead of this either.

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And so like commised made by Jadie Vance in Munich,

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where he was basically saying, hey, look, you guys put

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yourselves here and you need to step up and protect

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yourselves and watch your own backyard, are basically what is

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your opinion on that, like, how how should the US

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have handled that? And how should the EU have handled that?

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Since it really is like their backyard, like right there,

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you know, And here's the thing of Russia encroaches and

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gains control. They're right on Poland's border. And now we

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do have a potential natal situation, so you know, what

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are your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, the e EU and NATO both have their respective

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spheres of influence. The us EU is primarily economic and

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NATO is primary for military and ensuring proper coordination between

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the two because there is no overarching command over both

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the e EU and NATO that can make them act

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in a fully coordinated fashion. So you know, Klauswitz has said,

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you know, politics, war is an extension of politics by

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other means. So EU has certain instruments at its disposal.

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They could participate in imposing sanctions if necessary on RUSSI,

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but that's in the peacetime realm, right And now you

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have and NATO only if one of its members is

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attacked can they invoke Article five Since Ukraine is not

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a member of NATO, at least not yet, and they

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because there's the essence of the NATO charter Charter precludes

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and them being brought into NATO while they are being invaded.

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There's that complication. So Ukraine has been trying to work

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out with it. We're around that with a series of

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bilateral security agreements and negotiations, which they've been able to

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do fairly successfully up to this point. So now you

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have the problem for the EU is they have to

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get back to a state of relative peace so that

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they're economic sanctions, they have more ability to interact with

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Ukraine and other allies in order to make the economic

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levers of power work moreffectively. NATO, for its part, because

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the United States is signaling that they are not willing

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to be the principal load bearer of the military effort.

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Now the burden is increasingly becoming on NATO NIP members

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to step up and devote a larger share of their

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their budgets to militaries, of their GDP to military spending

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and aid, as well as coordinate their response to the

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Russian invasion. And this is a very complicated problem, one

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that none of the NATO nations foresaw. None of them

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foresaw this situation.

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Well, it's certainly, it's complicated. Yeah, it's complicated, But when

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it comes to NATO, you know, we can talk about

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percentage of GDP, but we also got to talk about dollars,

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like how much is funded and the US funds over

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seventy percent of NATO on their own right, we have

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if it was a board of directors, we have the majority.

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I'm not saying it's right for us to act that way,

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but what I'm trying to get is, I guess I

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understand why Trump is saying what he's saying. You're like, hey,

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you know.

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You've got to chip in more so that it's more sustainable.

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Because at the same time, remember that President Trump and

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is his team, they are trying to tackle the the

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enormous national debt.

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Absolutely right now.

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It's out of it is out of control. And uh,

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it's in order and in order for the UH for

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those to achieve a subjectives to get this thing under control.

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Remember the interest here's the key. Here's a key figure.

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The interest on the national debt is about oh something

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like what is an eight hundred and fifty eight billion

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a year and increasing. It's like an out of control

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credit card. So in order to pay down that national

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credit card, if you will, you that's why they were

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using that target of reductions of two trillion a year

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around that if you paid it down, if you if

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the dose team succeeds in identifying, and the US and

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the Congress managed to reduce the national debt the next

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year by say, if they were to do it by

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two trillion, Okay, great, you know then that means they

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have reduced they have exceeded that amount of interest, and

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therefore the next year would have a lower interest on

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the national debt. It would not be eight hundred and

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fifty eight billion, it would be significantly lowers. That kicks

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the whole process into reverse. If you can generate spending

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00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.720
large enough, spending cuts that are essentially one trillion a

484
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.319
year or one trillion a year or greater for the

485
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.880
next several years, you start to kick the process into reverse.

486
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.240
And you also give the tax cuts and economic growth

487
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:50.000
a chance to generate more revenue. So by doing large

488
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:54.160
spending cuts, not just not just breaking even an eight

489
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.799
hundred and fifty eight billion, you give this whole thing

490
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.960
a chance. So economic strength and so sustainability is directly

491
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.759
tied to the United States ability to support to support

492
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.319
its allies in a military sense for the long term.

493
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.960
So it's all intricately related. There None of these things

494
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.039
that the Trump is doing can be considered in a vacuum.

495
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.519
You cannot consider them as problems unrelated to other things

496
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:22.279
that he is doing.

497
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.000
I agree with that. I agree with that, and the

498
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.440
other thing. You know, outside of NATO, people don't understand

499
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.680
that the US and I've done plenty of shows on

500
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.359
these numbers, but the US funds literally funds and assists

501
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.839
two hundred countries every single year, not a small amount

502
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:46.400
that we pay out every single year. The I want

503
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.640
to circle back a bit though, because you explained the

504
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.200
EU's part, like what they could have done to help

505
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.759
avoid this war or get ahead of it through the

506
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.400
economic side of things. And also what NATO could have

507
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.519
done by putting pressures, not being directly militarily involved, but

508
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.640
trying to put pressures on on this situation to keep it,

509
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.359
you know, tame. But when we talk about Europe, the

510
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:16.960
powers of Europe, for example, the powerful nations, what could

511
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.559
they have done differently in your mind, because like France51200:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.319



when this when this was going on, let's fast forward51300:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.039



to twenty twenty two, not back through the twenty fourteen,51400:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.119



but franceca I think more like they didn't come to51500:30:28.119 --> 00:30:29.799



the table to try and negotiate with Putin when they did,51600:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.720



he put them Putin put mccralan at the end of51700:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.519



one hundred foot table and just kind of like, yeah,51800:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.039



who is this guy whatever? And the only country that51900:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.519



has gone to try that, from my knowledge memory anyway,52000:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.440



is really been Turkey has been very involved through this52100:30:43.480 --> 00:30:47.599



time period previous to Trump's administration and trying to actually52200:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.160



bring Putin to the table and negotiate and you know,52300:30:50.279 --> 00:30:52.319



try try to find out what can be done in52400:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.440



concessions between Putin and Zelensky. I'm not sure, like, Okay,52500:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.119



what I'm trying to ask is why hasn't Europe been52600:30:59.119 --> 00:31:03.359



more involved in trying to get a handle on this situation.52700:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.839



Seems like they didn't really jump until America said, fine,52800:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.480



we're sending attack coms over to Ukraine. We're going to52900:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.480



increase our funding and send billions of a years since53000:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.319



this has gone on, it seems like they were just53100:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.759



kind of waiting until we got involved for them to realize, oh,53200:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.119



it's time to step up. Because Germany didn't want to53300:31:21.160 --> 00:31:22.920



do anything. They didn't want to do anything for a while,53400:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.240



France didn't want to do anything. It seemed like nobody53500:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.000



did anything to help Ukraine until America stepped in. So53600:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.680



was europe right in waiting or should they have really53700:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.599



gotten ahead of this from the outset.53800:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.519



Well, the European allies made the mistake of thinking that53900:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.319



the United States was going to carry the bulk of54000:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.279



the burden indefinitely and that there was no need. The54100:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.880



sense of urgency was not being was not impressed on54200:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.920



our NATO allies to really step up and says, oh, well,54300:31:53.960 --> 00:31:55.599



we don't need to, We don't need to step up.54400:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.279



You know, America's going to step up to the blatant Yeah,54500:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.359



And so there was no sense of urgency. It was54600:32:03.400 --> 00:32:08.440



not until Trump was elected and Trump President Trump said no,54700:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.000



you guys have to do your part, because otherwise we54800:32:12.079 --> 00:32:16.119



just may take our marvels and go home. The implication54900:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.240



being right, and so that that put a sense that55000:32:19.559 --> 00:32:24.000



instilled that lit a fire under our NATO allies that yay,55100:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.720



we've we've got to take this seriously because Putin has55200:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.759



made it very clear that they are not interested. There55300:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.960



are many signals that are coming from the Russian side55400:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.839



that indicate they are not interested in compromise in this55500:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.680



in the sense that we understand it now. Until the nineties,55600:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.440



believe it or not, the Russian language did not even55700:32:45.480 --> 00:32:51.039



have a word for compromise, because this compromise as when55800:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.759



you hear the word compromise, what do you think of55900:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.519



when we talk about making a compromise with someone, What56000:32:57.519 --> 00:32:58.759



does that mean to you?56100:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.880



You're giving your little given up a little something that56200:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.720



you want to appease the other side in order to56300:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.720



make peace. Right, Yeah, and that's something that Russian doesn't56400:33:07.720 --> 00:33:08.160



want to come.56500:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.039



You know, the American political system is built on compromise, right.56600:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.079



And it's also compromise in the sense of both sides.56700:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.680



You are meeting the other person halfway, you are you56800:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.480



are giving each side gains something. They don't gain everything,56900:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.799



but they gain something. Compromise in the American sense is57000:33:27.880 --> 00:33:32.319



a more positive word. When the Russians they saw that57100:33:32.359 --> 00:33:38.319



word compromise, they essentially translated it into cyrillic compromise whatever57200:33:38.599 --> 00:33:42.079



the cyrillic letters. But when the Russians translate the word57300:33:42.119 --> 00:33:47.880



compromise into their language, compromise to them means mutual surrender.57400:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.000



That is a negative comp That is a negative connotation,57500:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.079



and the Russians hate compromise.57600:33:55.119 --> 00:33:56.799



It makes sense though, to be honest.57700:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.000



Yeah, it's a it's a fine nuance.57800:34:00.319 --> 00:34:00.519



Yeah.57900:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.759



The Russians put the Russia. The Russians, the Russian language58000:34:03.759 --> 00:34:08.440



and culture puts a more negative, a more negative connotation58100:34:08.920 --> 00:34:14.159



to compromise. They hate leaders who compromise. It's it signals weakness.58200:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.280



Yeah, it's like there's no surrender in their culture. Correct,58300:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.880



there's no surrendering to surrenders.58400:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.360



Matter of fact, the Russian phrase in Russian culture that58500:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.599



is common, which we don't fully understand ourselves.58600:34:29.719 --> 00:34:29.880



Is.58700:34:31.519 --> 00:34:36.960



Who whom, Who rules whom? Who is superior to whom.58800:34:37.599 --> 00:34:41.239



In the Russian culture, you are either someone superior or58900:34:41.280 --> 00:34:46.000



you are their inferior. You are never their equal. Equality59000:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.519



is something that is a concept that doesn't even exist59100:34:48.519 --> 00:34:51.360



in Russian culture either. The only word they have for59200:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.480



equality is being equal in the sides of that two59300:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.239



sides of a mathematical equation are equal. So when they59400:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.079



read the US con Institution and they see the words59500:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.760



all men are created equal, then the Russian, in the59600:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.679



Russian mind says that's impossible.59700:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.199



It's kind of a it's kind of a rule or59800:35:11.320 --> 00:35:12.920



be ruled mentality.59900:35:13.679 --> 00:35:14.400



Exactly right.60000:35:14.599 --> 00:35:20.639



Yeah, I'm sorry, Jonathan. That leads me, That leads me60100:35:20.679 --> 00:35:24.840



to this. Really, the implications here is if we can't60200:35:25.000 --> 00:35:30.360



find a deal, which in Russia's mind would literally be surrendering, right,60300:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.519



surrendering something that you But if we can't find a deal,60400:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.440



Putin's actions. If you're just looking at everything he's doing60500:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.880



and what what he has actually stated. He wants to60600:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.920



reunite the us s R, the old USSR. He's literally60700:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.039



trying to claim those old territories. So I think the60800:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.079



fear is for for if Europe, if the European nations60900:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.199



are paying attention, and I'm sure they are, is if61000:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.360



he takes Ukraine, He's not going to stop there. He's61100:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.039



going to continue to try to gobble up the prior61200:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.840



or previous uss R territories. And I think that's part61300:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.320



of what he wants to do. And I don't think61400:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.320



people understand. Look, he's how old is he now? In61500:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.599



the seventies, late seventies?61600:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.159



He is, Oh, yeah, he's in his early seventies.61700:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.360



He's up there a little bit of seventies. And what61800:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.800



I mean by that is he's looking at his legacy61900:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.159



at this point, so he has nothing to lose really,62000:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.960



So this may just really be about his ego more62100:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.599



than anything.62200:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.000



And given the fact that he is a position of62300:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.320



near absolute power in Russia. We have to we have62400:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.159



to assume that uh lord lord acton once pointed out,62500:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.039



power corrupts and absolute power tends to corrupt. Absolutely, Yes,62600:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.159



so you might, you might enlighten, you might liken the62700:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.960



latter of Putin to someone who is in possession of62800:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.400



the one ring of power from the Lord of the rings. Yeah,62900:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.119



the ring of as you know, the ring of power,63000:36:55.239 --> 00:36:56.760



and the lord of the rings, the ring, the one63100:36:56.840 --> 00:37:01.199



ring of power inevitably corrupts its user. Yes, and so63200:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.320



they so you might you know, your President Trump and63300:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.840



Vladimir Putin obviously each have a ring of power.63400:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.079



So and you're right? And can I with with that63500:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.400



being said, where where do you think this is going63600:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.639



to go? With these peace talks? Will we actually have peace?63700:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.840



Will this be a prolonged war that actually leads to63800:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.320



a larger period appeer on conflict? What?63900:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.320



What do you think here? Here's you know, given my64000:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.679



study of the rush of the Russian perception of both64100:37:33.679 --> 00:37:38.440



of US strategy and its own great power status, the64200:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.719



it is reaching a what the claud Switz called the64300:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.840



culminating point of war, culminating point of a battle. Inevitably,64400:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.679



when one side is on the offensive and you reach64500:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.400



a point where the offensive side can no longer continue64600:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.280



the attack, they can and there is an opportunity for64700:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.159



the defender to counterattack. Are right now, the Russian side64800:38:02.639 --> 00:38:08.239



is steadily reaching that culminating point where will no longer64900:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.159



be able to continue an offensive effort against Ukraine. And65000:38:12.280 --> 00:38:14.559



this is why it is so such a vital turning65100:38:14.599 --> 00:38:19.480



point right now. If the NATO Allies and the United65200:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.719



States simply continue to supply Ukraine with an ability to resist,65300:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.000



because Zelenski is calling for larger Ukrainian military forces, if65400:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.320



they succeed, in the worst case, bringing the Russian offensive65500:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.920



to a halt so that it's no longer making visible progress,65600:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.840



or even if they managed to drive back to Russians65700:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.360



in certain cases, or as I've also mentioned, inflict that65800:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.440



decisive counter offensive woe against crimea which most people are65900:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.440



discounting and saying that's not possible, and I would disagree.66000:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.719



It is those things that can't ever happen that change66100:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.280



the course of world history. We thought in World War Memory,66200:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.920



in World War I two on the Western Front, we66300:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.199



were dry in December nineteen forty four. Hardly anyone except66400:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.840



for patents G two thought that the Germans were capable66500:39:10.840 --> 00:39:12.760



of launching No one thought they were capable of launching66600:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.400



a counter offensive, but they did in the Battle of66700:39:15.440 --> 00:39:20.480



the Bulge, and the US suffered tens of thousands of casualties.66800:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.840



It was the most devastating war, devastating battle for the66900:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.679



United States, all because they failed to anticipate that the67000:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.880



that an opponent could launch a counter offensive.67100:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.440



So do you think do you think people are or67200:39:33.440 --> 00:39:38.280



at least Putin is underestimating Zelenski's chances here?67300:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.639



I think he is. He has shown time and again67400:39:43.679 --> 00:39:48.360



that he has underestimated the Ukrainian both the Ukrainian will67500:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.599



and the Ukrainian ability to resist. And there have been67600:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.519



several instances throughout this conflict where the Ukrainians has surprised67700:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.880



the Russians technically and operationally. So is not to say67800:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.159



that they are there, is that that potential exists yet again.67900:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.880



And even though we may be on the verge of68000:40:08.159 --> 00:40:13.719



a negotiating peace, any piece that that visibly rewards Russia68100:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.679



in any way for having started the war against Ukraine68200:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.360



and engaged in this conflict, that is not a piece68300:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.880



that is appeasement, yes, agreed, and simply invites more war68400:40:24.960 --> 00:40:25.400



later on.68500:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.000



Yeah, exactly, And that's that's the that's the issue. Okay,68600:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.079



So that I kind of kicked this can down the68700:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.199



road in my mind here, but it's gonna, it's gonna68800:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.760



it's gonna lead me to asking your opinion on this. Now.68900:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.360



I've had others say that they don't believe this will happen.69000:40:42.360 --> 00:40:47.239



But as as Trump's statements, everything he's making in terms69100:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.320



of his statements and and what he's saying about Zelensky69200:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.280



right now, and and how it seems like he's really69300:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.239



trying to appease Putin, And of course it just could69400:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.840



be a tactic to get him to relax and sit69500:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.440



down and talk. Could be. But where does where would69600:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.519



that leave us? Like if it gets that situation, because69700:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.480



Zolensky obviously has made it very clear he's not backing down.69800:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.599



He's not going to back down unless they're both they69900:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.679



both come to the table, and it's clear that he70000:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.480



does not want to give up any more land whatsoever.70100:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.199



In fact, I know he wants crying me up back70200:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.920



as it was originally there from from the outset, you know,70300:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.639



going back to that twenty fourteen war. But where does70400:41:24.639 --> 00:41:26.719



that leave us? Where does it leave America if we70500:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.320



because it has been said that we may have to70600:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.480



put boots on the ground, for example, But but on70700:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.679



whose side? Like where would we be in this situation70800:41:34.760 --> 00:41:35.760



in your mind?70900:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.440



Will and as far as putting a yes, American troops71000:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.880



in Ukraine either as a peace either as part of71100:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.880



a peacekeeping force or are you suggesting as part of71200:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.800



peacekeeping force or either or.71300:41:49.119 --> 00:41:50.760



Yeah, what's your assessment? What do you where do you71400:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.000



think our involvement will Where do you think this will71500:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.239



lead if we absolutely do have to get involved in71600:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.960



putting troops in the area. What do you think that means?71700:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.000



We have troops in we have troops in NATO Europe still.71800:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.639



Well, yes, we do, but it's not it's not like71900:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.159



a large like it correct unless you explain I'm sorry,72000:42:10.159 --> 00:42:10.679



go ahead.72100:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.880



Yeah, No, it's not a significant enough contingent to affect72200:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.480



if we wanted to force a confrontation between the United72300:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.400



States and Russia, yeah, then we would put American troops72400:42:24.400 --> 00:42:29.639



in Ukraine and that would be a situation reminiscent of72500:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.199



Believe it or not, the January nineteen ninety seven Army72600:42:34.239 --> 00:42:38.000



after Next Winter Wargame that was a the first strategic72700:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.480



level wargame in which I was a participant on the72800:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.760



Red Team representing Russia, and it was a It was72900:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.320



designed to simulate. It was trying to test out the73000:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.280



revolution in military affairs for structure as a proof of concept,73100:42:54.039 --> 00:42:57.519



and it was a station. The scenario was set in73200:42:57.559 --> 00:43:02.800



a in twenty twenty with a hypethetical war conflict, and73300:43:03.000 --> 00:43:09.320



the problem was the United States was well, excuse me,73400:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.519



the Blue player, we were willing to commit forces. We73500:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.760



had advisors in Ukraine in the wargame, and the Red73600:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.280



Team we saw that as an intolerable provocation. So in73700:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.960



order to do that, we were stating analyzing the situation73800:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.800



and said, if we are going to invade Ukraine and73900:43:29.840 --> 00:43:35.280



we do not take out lose intelligence and communications satellites74000:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.119



prior to the beginning of the war, we're going to lose.74100:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.519



So the Red Team in that wargame launched a preemptive74200:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.119



strike in space to destroy using its satellites that it74300:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.960



had its counterspace weapons to destroy Blues communications and intelligence74400:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.880



satellites in the wargame. It paralyzed Blue and the wargame74500:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.920



controllers told the Red Team, well, absent intervention by the74600:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.079



wargame controllers read just won the war, and so that74700:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.199



was a devastating conclusion. We learned from that wargame that74800:44:07.239 --> 00:44:11.119



if you put if you have counter space satellites and say,74900:44:11.159 --> 00:44:15.440



for example, UH interceptor satellites with laser weapons in space,75000:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.800



and you have that, you have a an unstable hair75100:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.840



trigger situation in Earth orbital space, almost like a Mexican75200:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.280



standoff in Earth orbit. So from that's from that standpoint,75300:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.400



if you're looking at the United States intervening in Ukraine,75400:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.400



are putting troops there, that would provide an almost intolerable75500:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.079



provocation for Russia. So right now it.75600:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.239



Would, yeah, but real quickly. So if yeah, that would75700:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.480



that also hinges. That also hinges on these negotiations or75800:44:51.519 --> 00:44:56.199



talks being successful, because if if Putin doesn't want to75900:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.320



back down Ukraine, Zelensky doesn't want to back down, and76000:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.199



Trump says, fine, We're going to send a peacekeeping force.76100:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.760



That peace keeping element is entirely hinged on Putin still76200:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.480



respecting the US as a force to be reckoned with.76300:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.400



And if we lose that respect, are we truly going76400:45:15.440 --> 00:45:17.239



to be a peacekeeping force at that point?76500:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.320



Yeah, that's going to be a very not a problem76600:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.159



for the for the United States and it's NATO allies76700:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.079



because in order to uh you hit Putin has made76800:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.639



it very clear, and the Russian leadership itselves made it76900:45:31.679 --> 00:45:36.159



clear they are not interested in peace, and they want77000:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.559



the whole of Ukraine. They want all of Ukraine. Right,77100:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.719



And once the United State, once it becomes clear to77200:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.519



the US political leadership that Russia genuinely is not interested77300:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.119



in peace but in effect our de facto surrender in77400:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.440



this war, then there's going to be a crucial test77500:45:55.679 --> 00:45:59.880



for the Trump administration. They will be compelled.77600:46:00.719 --> 00:46:01.000



Uh.77700:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.239



Trump has has said, had said to Putin previously, we77800:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.360



can do this the easy way, or we can do77900:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.920



this the hard way. And and given give him credit,78000:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.639



give him President Trump credit. He will recognize, however, reluctantly,78100:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.000



that as much as he wanted to be seen as78200:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.800



the peacemaker, as the deal maker, and for his legacy,78300:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.199



he may have to earn his legacy the.78400:46:26.239 --> 00:46:30.239



Hard way, and that could be bad for all of us. Yes,78500:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.440



to go that direction, for sure.78600:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.000



So as more as Mark Twain went, as Mark Twain78700:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.000



once said, history doesn't repeat itself, it does rhyme.78800:46:38.079 --> 00:46:44.400



Though. Wow, well so this is so, let's let's go78900:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.840



to what you were saying earlier about the capabilities for example,79000:46:49.000 --> 00:46:54.840



and and it's kind of leads leads I'm sorry, Leans, yeah, Leans,79100:46:54.880 --> 00:46:59.159



towards the US's capabilities at the moment, because when it79200:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.480



when you're talking about satellites, lasers, I mean, that goes79300:47:01.480 --> 00:47:03.039



all the way back to the star Wars program that79400:47:03.119 --> 00:47:07.039



was launched, you know, years back exactly. And why don't79500:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.199



you explain that element and what that can do for79600:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.639



not just our security of course, you know, as Trump79700:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.079



has mentioned the Iron Dome for America, just as we've79800:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.480



done for Israel. But how does how is that going79900:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.039



to come into play here? If we have to go80000:47:24.119 --> 00:47:25.719



that direction as a deterrent.80100:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.760



Now, this is a fact. This is a fact going80200:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.440



to be This is going to lead some fascinating ideas80300:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.599



and potential. Okay, so let's step through this. When President80400:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.920



Reagan first declared the Strategic Defense Initiative back in nineteen80500:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.079



eighty three, and that was when I had come out80600:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.000



with my first book, The Soviet Yew of US Strategic Doctrine,80700:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.039



in which I had also recommended space based defense as80800:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.960



an element. Now, the interesting thing is is that when80900:47:52.039 --> 00:47:56.880



the Soviets saw the declaration, of Strategic Defense initiative. This81000:47:57.159 --> 00:48:02.280



terrified them, Yeah, absolutely terrified them. As a matter of fact,81100:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.639



if you take a look at the book Inside the81200:48:04.719 --> 00:48:10.039



KGB by Christopher Andrew and Oleg Gordievsky. In that book,81300:48:10.599 --> 00:48:16.559



the Gordievsky talked about a KGB report that went to81400:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.960



President that went to Gorbachev in April nineteen eighty five81500:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.960



discussing the US Star Wars program. In that report, the81600:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.400



KGB concluded that the USSDI program would eventually be able81700:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.159



to block of Soviet missiles in a first strike, and81800:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.039



that there was no way the Soviet Union could keep81900:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.599



up with this capability. Now, I told my students, any82000:48:41.639 --> 00:48:43.880



of you out there who believed that the SDI program82100:48:43.880 --> 00:48:46.639



could walk ninety percent of Soviet missiles in a first strike,82200:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.559



please raise your hand. The point is it didn't matter.82300:48:50.920 --> 00:48:55.239



The Russians believed it, they acted, They acted on that belief,82400:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.079



and they spent themselves into bankruptcy. If really trying to82500:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.920



counter a phantom SDI program, which in reality was really82600:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.960



a research and development program. The Soviets were so terrified82700:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.559



they even they saw the Patriot system. When I was82800:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.960



a Brigade S two in Germany, my brigade commander, because82900:49:16.000 --> 00:49:17.599



I was a brigade S two of a Hawk and83000:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.320



Patriot brigade the first one deployed in Europe. And my83100:49:22.360 --> 00:49:26.360



brigade commander said, hey, Captain Lockwood, you are you read83200:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.280



those Russian military journals. Take a look at them and83300:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.800



see if the Russians are saying anything about Patriot.83400:49:32.360 --> 00:49:32.639



Well.83500:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.880



I looked at the had the issue of Vistnik Protasi Oberoni,83600:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.360



which is herald of anti aircraft defense in that are.83700:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.599



In that journal there was an article on US medium83800:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.840



to high altitude air defense systems and the last third83900:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.400



of the article talked about Patriot. So I'm busily translating it,84000:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.519



and then all of a sudden, I see the A84100:49:53.719 --> 00:50:00.679



the Russian acronym for per oltoi Oberoni antime missile defense,84200:50:01.800 --> 00:50:06.039



and the author was crediting Patriot with an anti ballistic84300:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.639



missile capability. Now this is really wild, considering the fact84400:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.440



that the Patriots system had not yet demonstrated that it84500:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.400



could intercept ballistic missiles.84600:50:15.800 --> 00:50:17.880



Okay, so all right.84700:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.599



They've been terrified of Patriots since nineteen the nineteen eighties84800:50:20.719 --> 00:50:21.239



is my point.84900:50:21.519 --> 00:50:28.239



No, No, and also makes you almost confirms the syop85000:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.519



capabilities of the US and how effective it is.85100:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.239



Oh, yes, it was. As a matter of fact, the85200:50:35.440 --> 00:50:39.920



US reinforced the Russian fear of patriot when in September85300:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.400



nineteen eighty seven a US patriot successfully intercepted a US85400:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.840



Lance ballistic missile and demonstrated that it could work and85500:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.679



raytheon continued to refine the capabilities of Patriot until it85600:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.960



was able to successfully intercept studs in the nineteen ninety85700:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.960



one Persian Gulf War. It kept on refining ever since85800:51:02.440 --> 00:51:07.119



until now when they send patriots. To send patriots to85900:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.280



to Ukraine, the Ukrainians promptly adopted them and made them86000:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.840



work even more effectively near one interception rate. So this86100:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.039



shows the full potential of patriot and reinforces the Russian86200:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.880



fear of US technology. The one thing that is the86300:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.920



major thing conclusion that I have reached from my research86400:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.239



and analysis of the Russian perception is that the one86500:51:28.360 --> 00:51:32.559



thing that the Russians fear more than the Russian military86600:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.760



and political leadership, what they fear more than anything else,86700:51:36.320 --> 00:51:41.039



is the potential of American technology to neutralize the one86800:51:41.079 --> 00:51:43.400



thing that makes the Russians a great power in their86900:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.800



own perception, their nuclear missile arsenal, And therein lies the87000:51:47.880 --> 00:51:53.400



key what President Trump in his administration by declaring they87100:51:53.440 --> 00:51:57.079



intend to produce an iron dome defense over the United States,87200:51:57.480 --> 00:52:03.400



they are essentially repudiating the previous Biden administration's strategy, which87300:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.840



was essentially to be prepared to fight a nuclear war87400:52:06.880 --> 00:52:11.760



with three nuclear armed adversaries and expand their own nuclear87500:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.559



arsenal to do this, relying on the concept of mutually87600:52:14.599 --> 00:52:21.559



assured destruction mad. If the Trump administration should be reputating87700:52:21.719 --> 00:52:26.400



anything from the previous Biden administration, that should be right87800:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.199



at the top of the list, and apparently they are87900:52:29.280 --> 00:52:33.199



implicitly doing this by declaring an intent to create an88000:52:33.360 --> 00:52:37.599



so called iron dome over America. This presents an impetus,88100:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.320



presents an interesting problem. Remember the lesson from the Army88200:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.880



after Next Winter War game. If you put satellites in88300:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.440



space where the other side has counterspace weapons, you produce88400:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.920



an unstable hair trigger situation in your Thoroberttal space, a88500:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.480



Mexican standoff where the side that fires first has a88600:52:55.519 --> 00:53:00.840



decisive advantage. Now, how do you get around this problem? Well, Congress,88700:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.559



in its Iron Dome Bill has allocated nine hundred million88800:53:04.639 --> 00:53:09.320



dollars for studying space based interceptors. That's an implicit recognition88900:53:09.599 --> 00:53:12.360



that there is a hole in the Iron dome, you know,89000:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.920



because you can Israel only has to worry about short89100:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.840



range and intermediate range ballistic missiles, right, We've got to89200:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.119



worry about the intercontinental ballistic missiles that can come through89300:53:22.159 --> 00:53:23.599



that hole in the Iron dome.89400:53:23.480 --> 00:53:27.719



Right, and can't really interest that and potential hypersonic missile technology.89500:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.719



Exactly the way you deal with the only effective way89600:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.880



really to deal with both hypersonic and intercontinentalistic missile systems,89700:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.920



and it's correct, is using space based interceptors. But in89800:53:39.079 --> 00:53:43.159



what form? You can't really do it with satellites because89900:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.000



that's too unstable because it gives it the other side90000:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.639



a very huge incentive to fire first. But how do90100:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.280



you do that? Well? You what you do? You create90200:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.280



what I had advocated back in nineteen ninety three. You90300:53:56.360 --> 00:54:01.920



create something called the Worldwide Strategic Defense Matrix w s90400:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.079



d M wisdom. This is both a symbolic and a90500:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.960



real paradigm shift. Would be a real paradigm shift. And90600:54:11.000 --> 00:54:12.519



we are and I am the only one in the90700:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.400



world discussing this because I I've searched for it, and90800:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.719



when I first talked about it in my nineteen ninety90900:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.880



three book, no one else is talking about this, but91000:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.239



in order to go ahead.91100:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.920



I'm sorry. I like your idea and it's it's something91200:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.840



that was brought up before, but I think it was91300:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.159



more of a sy op previously with the Star Wars program,91400:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.280



I think there was nothing ever really proven or tested.91500:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.760



It was just it was just really just propagana, I think.91600:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.719



But it worked in our behalf. But fast fast forward.91700:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.079



You can't deny the technology. You can't deny that laser91800:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.039



technology has come a very long way, and that is91900:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.320



a very plausible possible. It's very possible these days that92000:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.000



that could absolutely work.92100:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.880



Well, he works even better when you consider the following. Now, well,92200:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.519



if you put if you're going to have space based interceptors,92300:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.199



you don't put them on satellites. What you do is92400:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.760



the key. Here's the key, and this is something that92500:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.760



I discussed that no one else does. The key to92600:55:11.880 --> 00:55:16.079



making the Iron Dome in effect the worldwide strategic defense92700:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.639



matrix even more effective than an Iron Dome is you92800:55:19.760 --> 00:55:25.639



upgrade the US Space Force with a space fleet manned92900:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.880



by Space Force guardians, where do we get the space93000:55:28.920 --> 00:55:34.039



fleet from you buy it from SpaceX. You Pentagon effectively93100:55:34.079 --> 00:55:38.679



says to the to the UH to mister Musk says elon,93200:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.119



Pentagon would like to buy twelve of your Falcon nines,93300:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.079



twelve of your Falcon heavies, and twelve of your starships,93400:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.639



and the Pentagon can then add to for the space93500:55:48.679 --> 00:55:53.639



force add the appropriate weapons, equipment and crew, specifically lasers93600:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.360



that would be mounted that would be mounted on these93700:55:56.400 --> 00:56:00.880



starships in lower orbit. Once they are in low Earth orbit,93800:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.320



now you have effective interceptors against any ballistic missile attack93900:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.119



by Russia, China or North Korea, because at the speed94000:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.239



of light, there's no way a nuclear missile in its94100:56:12.400 --> 00:56:16.000



boost phase coming up from the ground can evade a94200:56:16.039 --> 00:56:20.559



laser attack, so that effectively blocks. That is the key94300:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.599



and the interesting thing is, okay, what the answer? Well,94400:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.920



what if the Russian and Chinese counterspace weapons, these counter94500:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.840



space satellites, what if they fire on a space war starship? Well,94600:56:31.920 --> 00:56:35.440



guess what if you if it were satellite versus satellite.94700:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.400



No one cares much because satellites don't have mothers. But94800:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.119



if if a counter Russian or Chinese counter space satellite94900:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.440



were to fire on a US Space Force starship armed95000:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.360



with laser weapons. That is a clear and unmistakable active95100:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.159



war and the in self defense, the starship could simply95200:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.679



destroy the satellite. Now what that that is a very95300:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.800



powerful counter deterrant to add to any preemptive action in95400:57:02.880 --> 00:57:08.440



space and would and by neutralizing the nuclear arsenals of Russia,95500:57:08.880 --> 00:57:14.400



China and North Korea simultaneously, this provides a very stable95600:57:14.440 --> 00:57:19.039



deterrent for countering any future Russian invasion of Ukraine. Because95700:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.840



if we have an effective strategic defense against nuclear missiles95800:57:23.199 --> 00:57:29.159



and the other side does not game over, you can95900:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.719



preserve the piece indefinitely. That is an idea that I am.96000:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.480



And yet and here here's the other. Here's the other96100:57:36.519 --> 00:57:40.079



wonderful thing about it. The people might say, well, what96200:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.519



if Russia China and oh, let's say Russia China, what96300:57:43.599 --> 00:57:48.079



if they start developing strategic defenses against ballistic missile attack?96400:57:48.960 --> 00:57:53.360



And I would say to them, knock yourselves out, go96500:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.840



ahead and build it, because they will be forced to96600:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.440



build defense. You will either be forced to build defenses96700:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.000



to keep themselves from the vulnerable to US and NATO96800:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.440



nuclear missiles, or they're all going to have to start96900:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.760



channeling mister Rogers and learning how to be good neighbors.97000:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.800



Right, I think the only the only nation that would97100:58:12.840 --> 00:58:14.519



be able to keep up with this currently in the97200:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.039



race for laser technologies would be China, and I could97300:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.719



see China definitely doing that. But I have to ask97400:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.159



the question, like, I like the theory and the idea97500:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.079



of this because it makes a lot of sense and97600:58:26.199 --> 00:58:29.800



it makes me think to the helios, Right, a laser97700:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.039



weapon that has been used on naval ships lately. Now97800:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.880



they've tested it, it does work. The only problem they97900:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.039



have is it doesn't recharge or the power source at98000:58:38.039 --> 00:58:41.440



the moment doesn't charge quick enough for repeated use for example,98100:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.480



or at least rapid fire use, and it does have98200:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.960



a limited range currently. It's like, let me see, I98300:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.159



think I looked this up. Let me okay, at the98400:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.320



it's what three hundred kill at laser? So how how98500:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.400



would we be able to develop that? Or do you98600:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.719



think we're close to developing something that could be put98700:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.519



on a ship for example, that would be effective and98800:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.400



be a rapid fire use weapon.98900:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.079



Well, here's the other lovely thing about putting such a99000:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.760



laser weapon in Earth orbit. If you are firing from space,99100:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.480



a laser is not obstructed by the atmosphere. Sure, because99200:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.639



it's firing, it's firing down. It's much more. The lasers99300:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.360



are much more effective in space than what they would99400:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.079



be if they're firing from the ground, because they would99500:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.280



be they won't be dispersed by the Earth's atmosphere. And99600:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.760



if you have several starships equally spaced apart in lower99700:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.800



Earth orbit, what it does is it creates a ring99800:59:35.920 --> 00:59:40.559



of interlocking shields around your adversaries so that they have99900:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.119



you will have continuous coverage of their ballistic muscle launches.100000:59:45.159 --> 00:59:49.360



And it prevents overhauling of the system. So this is100100:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.119



and how do you fund such a system? Well, here's100200:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.280



another beautiful thing about it. If you are going to100300:59:55.320 --> 01:00:00.400



focus on defense, on neutralizing the other sides nuclear arsenals, fully,100401:00:01.480 --> 01:00:06.000



you don't build, You don't spend another dime on nuclear weapons.100501:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.400



You do not build additional nuclear weapons, you do not100601:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.039



try to build improved system nuclear systems. All you do100701:00:13.159 --> 01:00:17.320



is you focus on pure defense and neutralizing their systems.100801:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.280



And the motto I use for wisdom WSDM wisdom does100901:00:22.320 --> 01:00:26.000



not kill. It is a purely defensive system which does101001:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.480



not threaten the existence of Russia, China or North Korea.101101:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.360



It threatens their power, it threatens their ability to intimidate,101201:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.960



and that is what they fear more than anything else,101301:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.719



because if they lose their nuclear if their nuclear arsenals101401:00:41.760 --> 01:00:46.440



become are rendered obsolete and impotent, they lose their great101501:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.239



power status in their own perception.101601:00:48.639 --> 01:00:52.480



If so, if the US, if our Defense Department was101701:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.880



to take this idea serious, I think from the outset,101801:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.280



we would have the advantage because, as you brought up,101901:00:58.400 --> 01:01:03.800



Elon Musk currently have uh the richest individuals in the102001:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.079



world in America that have already proven that they can102101:01:07.119 --> 01:01:11.960



privatize space crafts and space travel. And because they're not102201:01:11.960 --> 01:01:16.599



beholden to government oversight necessarily and funding, they've been able102301:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.960



to really push the boundaries and show how effective they102401:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.599



can be when they're not restricted. And so if we had,102501:01:24.719 --> 01:01:29.719



for example, him and Bezos together behind this, and the102601:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.679



US was able to tap them both, oh yeah, that102701:01:32.880 --> 01:01:33.679



was very interesting.102801:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.679



Oh yeah. As a matter of fact, you're you're you102901:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.000



and I are are saint. You're on the same track here.103001:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.000



Because let's let's say for example, that that Hesth Benegon's103101:01:44.440 --> 01:01:47.159



issues this contract now he has. He has a couple103201:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.559



of options here. He could issue the contract as a103301:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.519



sole source contract, in other words, say there's only one103401:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.679



company that could really do this, and that SpaceX. Or103501:01:56.719 --> 01:02:01.000



he could make it a competitive contract in which SpaceX103601:02:01.039 --> 01:02:05.400



could become the prime contractor, and then Elon Musk could103701:02:05.440 --> 01:02:10.880



chap his billionaire bodies who have space capabilities as subcontractors103801:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.480



and expand the power and ability to produce the Space103901:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.239



Force fleet once. Here's the other. Here's the other interesting104001:02:18.280 --> 01:02:21.559



bonus and incentive for the Space Force having a fleet104101:02:22.000 --> 01:02:26.760



other than satisfying all the happy star Trek fans out there, Well,104201:02:26.800 --> 01:02:30.079



we have star fleet command in the for twenty first century.104301:02:30.119 --> 01:02:34.400



How about that life imitates art, so we have here.104401:02:34.920 --> 01:02:38.960



But when you have a space force fleet with starshift,104501:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.679



even if they're only chemically powered at first, there is104601:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.039



promise for having them having nuclear theorough vulsion, which gives104701:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.559



you even more options. But when you have a space104801:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.400



force fleet in low Earth orbit and one in geosynchronous orbit,104901:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.360



as well as space starships that can form a lunar105001:02:55.400 --> 01:02:59.880



base or doing other things, you gain several bonus capable105101:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.639



which are not fully realized. A space force fleet in105201:03:03.760 --> 01:03:08.440



orbit can also This sounds mundane, but they can clean105301:03:08.519 --> 01:03:12.280



up space junk. They can those while they're while they're105401:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.119



on station, they're they're while they're monitoring and doing other things.105501:03:15.239 --> 01:03:18.800



They can clean up space junk and they can make105601:03:18.840 --> 01:03:22.679



They can take turns shuttling that space junk to the105701:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.760



lunar base to form a lunar junk yard to process105801:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.639



all that lunars, all that stuff and get it starting105901:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.519



a front. Those lunar caves they're talking about, you could106001:03:33.559 --> 01:03:37.000



establish a storage place for them there. So cleaning up106101:03:37.000 --> 01:03:41.840



space junk is one useful function. Also, that space Force fleet,106201:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.440



armed with lasers and other supplementary equipment, could also have106301:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.800



assigned the mission of blocking, intercepting, or destroying near Earth106401:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.800



objects such as asteroids, meteors, or comets. You know that106501:03:55.960 --> 01:03:59.000



asteroid they're talking about that, Oh, it might collide with106601:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.480



the Earth in two thousand thirty two. Well, if you've106701:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.400



got a space Force weight, now you've got to answer.106801:04:05.760 --> 01:04:07.840



That was the original concern when it came to space106901:04:07.880 --> 01:04:13.239



based laser systems originally, was was it tearing that possibility107001:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.159



of an asteroid colliding with the Earth. So with everything,107101:04:17.239 --> 01:04:22.280



everything that you're proposing, which some people may Okay, years ago,107201:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.599



people say, oh, that's an outlantish idea, But you know,107301:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.119



twenty twenty five, it really doesn't seem that far.107401:04:27.280 --> 01:04:32.880



It's not that the technology has advanced. Technology has advanced107501:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.360



to the point where it is now quite thinkable.107601:04:36.519 --> 01:04:39.840



But what do we so? What what about now? Given107701:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.400



the situation we're in, it seems like the idea of107801:04:42.400 --> 01:04:47.280



an iron dome over America is long overdue, given the107901:04:47.280 --> 01:04:51.119



threat potentials, especially how they have escalated over the last108001:04:51.159 --> 01:04:56.360



twelve years for example, So what technologies can they deploy now? Like,108101:04:56.400 --> 01:04:58.800



what is what is available now that can quickly be108201:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.079



deployed to be effective? We can.108301:05:02.599 --> 01:05:06.119



We can deploy now all the things that we can108401:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.760



increase the production of FAD. We can increase the production108501:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.960



of Patriot, we can increase all of our ballistic missile108601:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.760



defense interceptors that are capable of intercepting. It still leaves108701:05:16.760 --> 01:05:19.559



a hole in the iron dome in the sense of108801:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.480



the then that and that is why I propose the108901:05:24.519 --> 01:05:27.400



development the upgrading of the key to plugging the hole109001:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.199



in the iron dome is to upgrade the space for109101:05:30.280 --> 01:05:33.519



wars with a space fleet. Right, I'll tell you that's109201:05:33.599 --> 01:05:34.840



the quickest way you could do it.109301:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.199



And so we do need to get there. But we109401:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.920



should absolutely stop putting off the deployment of what technologists109501:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.360



we have now to at least create some don't right, correct?109601:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.679



A partial shield is better than no shield at all.109701:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.880



Yeah. Should this be something that should be a joint coalition,109801:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.480



not just for America but for North like for Mexico109901:05:52.519 --> 01:05:54.519



and Canada as well, since I mean, they're right on110001:05:54.559 --> 01:05:56.480



our borders and they would definitely be affected by any110101:05:56.559 --> 01:05:57.159



kind of attack.110201:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.400



Well, here's here's the again. The beautiful thing about wisdom110301:06:02.159 --> 01:06:05.320



is that when you upgrade the space force, you create110401:06:05.360 --> 01:06:10.480



the potential for cooperation and alliance with our allies. Let's110501:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.079



say our NATO allies we start producing this space fleet110601:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.760



and our NATO allies say, hey, is there any way110701:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.039



we can benefit from this? Well, you can say to110801:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.280



our NATO allies, well, if you want to buy a starship, right,110901:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.760



you want to buy a starship from SpaceX, and they111001:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.239



will help you equip it, and they have their they111101:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.400



it becomes a symbol of national pride and power instead111201:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.400



of nuclear weapons. Each nation that wants to be considered111301:06:34.440 --> 01:06:39.679



significant would have its own starship which they could they111401:06:39.679 --> 01:06:41.719



could have crews on it. Now, by the way, how111501:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.840



many crew? How many? How many crew would you need111601:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.920



to crew a starship for the purposes of a space111701:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.360



force mission. Well, you don't put one hundred on there,111801:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.559



because Elon Musk is diabot sending one hundred to it111901:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.960



to colonize Mars. People who have analyzed the starship sitting,112001:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.679



a more realistic number for a starship for our starship112101:07:00.719 --> 01:07:05.119



crew is ten. Now that's workable. You would need ten112201:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.519



to perform all the functions as well as operate the112301:07:08.599 --> 01:07:13.639



nuclear laser than the laser interceptor. So ten is realistic.112401:07:14.199 --> 01:07:17.239



And we could even in the US space wars itself,112501:07:17.280 --> 01:07:21.039



we could invite our NATO allies to provide crew for112601:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.000



our space war starships to help provide crew.112701:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.760



So this could this could potentially be an effective affordable112801:07:30.679 --> 01:07:36.840



arm or or leg of the Department of Defense. And yeah,112901:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.800



so then, but what will end up happening is exactly113001:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.360



what's happening now. Instead of a nuclear arms race, we'll113101:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.639



have a laser arms race, and then we'll be back113201:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.159



in the situation of the Terrence, just based on who113301:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.800



has the more effective laser defense system.113401:07:50.519 --> 01:07:54.159



Well, here here's the here's the interesting here's the interesting113501:07:54.199 --> 01:07:58.719



difference about that. In an offensive arms race in which113601:07:58.760 --> 01:08:03.280



there's no there'sically no limit, there is no there is113701:08:03.320 --> 01:08:04.159



no finish line.113801:08:04.280 --> 01:08:04.480



No.113901:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.719



In a defensive arms race, where both sides are developing114001:08:08.440 --> 01:08:12.239



defenses against nuclear attack, there is a finish line. When114101:08:12.280 --> 01:08:16.800



both sides have fully operational defensive shields. Essentially you're like114201:08:16.840 --> 01:08:22.760



two gladiators with full length body armor. It's a stalemate. Fine,114301:08:23.159 --> 01:08:25.680



that's more acceptable than mutually assured destruction.114401:08:25.800 --> 01:08:31.239



No, absolutely, Yeah, And technology is technology is advancing words.114501:08:31.319 --> 01:08:33.119



I mean, we're dealing with drones. We've never seen it114601:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.920



to the level we have before, to where now it's114701:08:35.960 --> 01:08:38.159



not just about you know, singular drones going out and114801:08:38.199 --> 01:08:42.079



shooting missiles from afar. They can be used as a114901:08:42.680 --> 01:08:46.640



kind of a swarm attack. Now where they're.115001:08:47.199 --> 01:08:49.319



It almost looks like something out of Terminator.115101:08:49.560 --> 01:08:52.079



I was just going to say that, Yeah, a robot,115201:08:52.319 --> 01:08:53.399



a robot.115301:08:53.119 --> 01:08:56.039



Army going against the flesh and blood army. Yeah, that's115401:08:56.079 --> 01:08:59.359



a nightmare. That's a nightmare for the Russians. There's no Ukrainians.115501:08:59.359 --> 01:09:02.359



For where are the Ukrainians we can kill? They aren't there.115601:09:02.399 --> 01:09:05.119



They're using robots. They're back there with their little joysticks115701:09:05.159 --> 01:09:07.199



sending the drones to attack you.115801:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.960



Well, so we so we definitely need to do something115901:09:10.960 --> 01:09:13.760



in terms of an iron dome. I I think you're116001:09:13.840 --> 01:09:19.560



right on with developing space based capabilities for defense and deterrence.116101:09:20.600 --> 01:09:23.199



Hey, I could I could save Congress nine hundred million116201:09:23.239 --> 01:09:26.720



dollars about off that interceptor studies say, guys, I've got116301:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.159



your answer. Now, it's concentrate. Let's concentrate on upgrading the116401:09:30.159 --> 01:09:31.079



space force.116501:09:31.319 --> 01:09:35.800



Right what what so that that's still a little ways out,116601:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.479



I think, but I think it would be an effective solution.116701:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.199



What let's let's get let's circle back to where we're gonna.116801:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.199



We've been doing this for a little bit, so I116901:09:45.199 --> 01:09:46.600



want to I want to kind of bring it back117001:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.560



to this Ukraine Russia situation, because yes, the iron the117101:09:50.600 --> 01:09:53.520



iron dome proposal would work, not just for America, would117201:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.479



also work as a as an amazing deterrent and in117301:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.760



this Russia Ukraine war as well, because you can target117401:09:59.840 --> 01:10:04.760



the systems wherever need be. Especially the way you're you're117501:10:04.800 --> 01:10:07.960



describing it, like how you would deploy it, it would117601:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.479



be very agile in that respect. It could turn into117701:10:11.479 --> 01:10:12.960



an offensive weapon if we wanted it to.117801:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.119



But yes, as a matter of fact, if the if117901:10:17.119 --> 01:10:20.840



we had an effective shield, the beautiful Again, the beautiful118001:10:20.840 --> 01:10:24.079



thing about introducing a ballistic missile defense system, especially one118101:10:24.159 --> 01:10:29.840



like Wisdom, is that it puts a It introduces a118201:10:29.880 --> 01:10:33.279



great deal of uncertainty into the mind of a potential attacker.118301:10:33.880 --> 01:10:38.119



If the Russians were to contemplate attacking the Wisdom system,118401:10:38.600 --> 01:10:41.560



they would they would not know how many of their118501:10:41.560 --> 01:10:44.520



missiles would actually get through the system. They do not118601:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.840



know which ones will get through. However, they do know118701:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.399



that if their attack failed to destroy the integrity of118801:10:51.439 --> 01:10:55.079



the Wisdom system and left our nuclear forces largely able118901:10:55.119 --> 01:10:58.640



to counterattack, they would be faced with a massive nuclear119001:10:58.760 --> 01:11:03.880



counterattack from and the US. And yeah, once you do that,119101:11:04.000 --> 01:11:08.039



you introduce defense. Introduces more uncertainty. And even if they119201:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.479



started building defenses themselves, that means they have to divert119301:11:11.560 --> 01:11:15.880



resources from attacking to defense, and that is also beneficial.119401:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.600



So even so, even with with how delicate the situation119501:11:19.720 --> 01:11:22.479



is now, and for example, if we did have to119601:11:22.600 --> 01:11:27.079



have a peace keeping force, do you do you think119701:11:27.119 --> 01:11:31.520



that maybe do you think maybe that if if if119801:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.399



Putin felt that he was being respected from the outset119901:11:34.600 --> 01:11:36.760



that a lot of this would have been able to120001:11:36.800 --> 01:11:41.760



be would have been able to come to a piece120101:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.399



deal a long time ago.120201:11:44.119 --> 01:11:49.680



Hmm. Well here here's why I think that that is problematic. Uh.120301:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.399



One book that I would recommend for you to read120401:11:52.760 --> 01:11:56.239



and uh introduce to your listeners is the book why120501:11:56.319 --> 01:12:02.239



Tim Marshall Prisoners of Geography. And it tends because it120601:12:02.359 --> 01:12:06.920



tends simple maths which explain world politics and geopolitics. Wonderful book.120701:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.680



I would recommend that book not only for every American120801:12:10.000 --> 01:12:12.640



but for every high school student in middle school student120901:12:12.680 --> 01:12:17.840



because it's very readable. What makes geopolitics and geography readily121001:12:17.880 --> 01:12:21.560



understandable and important and the pro and the thing is121101:12:22.479 --> 01:12:29.079



with the uh. The problem with Prisoner's you have to121201:12:29.119 --> 01:12:32.720



be able to uh. Oh lost my train of thought there.121301:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.399



Momentarily I was going off with the prisonership geography thing.121401:12:36.439 --> 01:12:38.600



But the problem is you have to be able to121501:12:38.720 --> 01:12:40.840



understand the importance of geography.121601:12:40.880 --> 01:12:41.000



Oh.121701:12:41.119 --> 01:12:45.039



Yes. The problem with the Russian is the Russian perception121801:12:45.119 --> 01:12:50.359



of security. The Russians have a word yasopastos to describe121901:12:50.359 --> 01:12:56.680



security jaeso means without danger. Their concept of security is122001:12:56.720 --> 01:13:02.560



more absolute than ours concept of security. We what they122101:13:02.760 --> 01:13:05.159



they are talking about when they talk about visa posnos122201:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.520



without danger, they are talking about the absence of threat,122301:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.680



and so they in order for them to feel insecure,122401:13:13.880 --> 01:13:17.600



in order for them to feel secure, their neighbors must122501:13:17.680 --> 01:13:22.520



be made to feel insecure or subordinate. It's an extension122601:13:22.560 --> 01:13:28.760



of the Russian cultural attitude of tokovo superior inferior, not equality.122701:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.199



Right, I see, I see the point there, and you122801:13:31.319 --> 01:13:33.680



kind of touched on it earlier. But this is just122901:13:33.800 --> 01:13:37.840



my take and and it's it's been very well documented123001:13:37.960 --> 01:13:42.079



during Putin's time of existence as a leader or the123101:13:42.159 --> 01:13:47.279



leader of Russia, and he seems like just literally an123201:13:47.319 --> 01:13:51.159



alpha male type who just needs to be acknowledged, needs123301:13:51.159 --> 01:13:55.560



to be respected, And I think he felt slighted. Now123401:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.760



I'm not I'm not advocating for him being correct in123501:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.239



invading Ukraine in any way. I'm just saying that he123601:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.560



did seem like he felt slighted by being ignored and123701:14:05.760 --> 01:14:10.640



isolated and everything, because he was Obviously, he's a world power,123801:14:11.199 --> 01:14:13.760



no matter how we wanted, how much we wanted to123901:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.479



diminish or most people doing to diminish Russia as a124001:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.800



world power. They are And when all of this was124101:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.680



going on. The powers that be, the biggest currently in124201:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.479



the world, which is still the United States of America,124301:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.800



wanted to isolate him and just kind of just pigeonhole124401:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.880



him from acknowledgment or even trying to have any kind124501:14:33.920 --> 01:14:37.119



of talks whatsoever in how to alleviate this. No matter124601:14:37.119 --> 01:14:41.439



how wrong Russia was, I still feel that the Biden124701:14:41.439 --> 01:14:45.880



administration's tactics didn't help in the situation. And here we124801:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.000



are now, and now we have Trump making outlandish statements124901:14:49.039 --> 01:14:52.119



to try to get people to the table, and it's125001:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.640



we're just everything just seems very unstable right now, and125101:14:55.680 --> 01:14:58.319



I'm not really able to see that we're going to125201:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.560



actually come to an agreement because, as you said earlier,125301:15:02.159 --> 01:15:06.239



Russia will not surrender. They don't, it's not in their vocabulary.125401:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.760



They don't see that. They don't they don't see compromise.125501:15:09.439 --> 01:15:13.199



And Zelensky is adamant on not compromising either. And so125601:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.359



I'm not sure there's an answer that I'm not asking125701:15:15.399 --> 01:15:17.039



for answer. By the way, you know this, we're being125801:15:17.079 --> 01:15:18.039



theoretical at this point.125901:15:18.239 --> 01:15:20.039



I'll get, i'll get, I'll give you, I'll give you one.126001:15:20.079 --> 01:15:24.560



Which here's the the essential problem again, which the Trump126101:15:24.640 --> 01:15:28.199



administration has to address is the fact that during the126201:15:28.199 --> 01:15:32.640



Cold War, the United States and its NATO allies had126301:15:32.720 --> 01:15:37.880



a grand strategy which governed the actions and allowed the126401:15:37.960 --> 01:15:40.920



United States and its allies to consistently deal with the126501:15:40.920 --> 01:15:43.399



Soviet Union during the entire period of the Cold War.126601:15:43.640 --> 01:15:49.560



That was the Grand Strategy of Containment, which was originally it,126701:15:51.079 --> 01:15:56.119



but George Kennan elucidated that strategy in the nineteen forty126801:15:56.159 --> 01:16:03.800



seven issue of Foreign Affairs. Containment was a strategic defensive126901:16:04.159 --> 01:16:07.239



designed to not try to roll back the Soviet Union,127001:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.840



but to prevent it from achieving through subversion or conquest.127101:16:11.720 --> 01:16:14.760



Just a defensive strategy to contain them, not go to127201:16:14.800 --> 01:16:18.880



war against them, but is sented to rely on the127301:16:18.920 --> 01:16:24.079



internal contradictions that Kennon argued were consistent within the Soviet127401:16:24.119 --> 01:16:27.760



system until the essentially contained them long enough, and the127501:16:27.760 --> 01:16:31.000



Soviet Union will buckle under the stresses of its own127601:16:31.039 --> 01:16:36.920



internal contradictions. History proved Kennon right, because starting in nineteen127701:16:36.960 --> 01:16:42.119



eighty five, the Soviet Union was starting to show the127801:16:42.159 --> 01:16:47.800



problems of its political instability and even the failure of127901:16:47.840 --> 01:16:51.479



its economic system. So eventually the Soviet Union collapsed of128001:16:51.520 --> 01:16:54.800



its own dead weight by nineteen eighty nine and the128101:16:54.840 --> 01:16:59.119



republics and the Warsaw Pact dissolved. And here NATO is128201:16:59.119 --> 01:17:02.720



confronted with a essentially a power vacuum, and the Eastern128301:17:02.800 --> 01:17:07.600



European nations wanted to join NATO, so NATO gladly accepted.128401:17:08.479 --> 01:17:12.159



And while while Putin usk Is seen this as a128501:17:12.159 --> 01:17:15.359



great disaster, well, it was a disaster of the Soviet128601:17:15.439 --> 01:17:18.600



Union zone making. And so he really does not have128701:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.319



a leg to stand on claiming that it's going to128801:17:21.359 --> 01:17:26.640



contribute to a world peace and political stability for Russia128901:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.800



to rebuild its own empire, that they have shown that129001:17:29.840 --> 01:17:34.319



their ambitions are essentially unlimited, and that is just simply129101:17:34.359 --> 01:17:37.039



going to bring on more warfare. How do you stop that?129201:17:37.600 --> 01:17:41.199



You have to stop. You have to is disagreeable, it129301:17:41.239 --> 01:17:44.000



may sound to some people. You have to neutralize the129401:17:44.079 --> 01:17:46.720



thing that makes them think they're a great power. You129501:17:46.840 --> 01:17:51.359



have to make make them channel mister rogers, make them129601:17:51.439 --> 01:17:54.399



learn the hard way how to be good neighbors. And129701:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.760



it may take a while, but it's better than going129801:17:56.800 --> 01:17:57.640



to all out war.129901:18:00.000 --> 01:18:05.359



Okay, I I can absolutely swallow that for sure, because130001:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.920



it seems like it may be the only effective measure130101:18:09.960 --> 01:18:14.239



against such a powerful military. I mean, it is a130201:18:14.239 --> 01:18:15.720



big military, regardless.130301:18:15.319 --> 01:18:15.840



Of it is.130401:18:16.840 --> 01:18:18.840



And we don't we don't want to have a world conflict.130501:18:19.119 --> 01:18:20.720



I don't know just in anyone's interest.130601:18:21.680 --> 01:18:23.960



No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.130701:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.159



Asked what want into World War two? Should have told us.130801:18:27.119 --> 01:18:29.840



That, yeah, what what led us from getting away from130901:18:29.880 --> 01:18:33.800



this containment strategy? Though? Because it seems, ah.131001:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.880



Well can take well. Remember when the Soviet Union collapsed,131101:18:35.920 --> 01:18:38.279



there was no there was no opponent to contain anymore.131201:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.119



No understood, I I I get that. But but we131301:18:41.159 --> 01:18:43.520



obviously got away from that strategy because Putin has been131401:18:43.600 --> 01:18:48.199



very effective for so many years. And yes, and it's131501:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.439



we may have gotten away from it. Europe may have131601:18:50.479 --> 01:18:51.319



gotten away from it.131701:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.960



We forgot that, We forgot a crucial lesson of history.131801:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.079



Henry Kissinger. Yeah. In the in the preface to my131901:18:58.119 --> 01:19:01.000



book The Russian View, Yes Strategy out what history Henry132001:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.640



Kissinger was predicting at the end of the Cold War.132101:19:05.119 --> 01:19:09.279



Even though Russia seems to be prostrate right now, he132201:19:09.319 --> 01:19:14.000



says Russia will eventually begin to reassert itself. Henry Kissinger132301:19:14.159 --> 01:19:18.600



correctly predicted this that Russia would inevitably begin to reassert132401:19:18.640 --> 01:19:22.239



itself once it is economically recovered, and it will become132501:19:22.399 --> 01:19:26.680



an assertive power once again. So the interesting thing that132601:19:26.800 --> 01:19:29.439



we failed to what we failed in doing, is we132701:19:29.600 --> 01:19:34.199



failed to develop a grand strategy for the post Cold132801:19:34.199 --> 01:19:37.319



War period. We fail. Okay, how do we deal with132901:19:37.640 --> 01:19:42.359



a resurgent Russia, a competitive China. Do we develop a133001:19:42.399 --> 01:19:48.159



new neo containment strategy? Or what I propose in proposed133101:19:48.159 --> 01:19:52.199



in my book. The Russian view is that the US133201:19:52.359 --> 01:19:59.119



should become the world's geopolitical balancer. Mckinder once had this133301:19:59.560 --> 01:20:04.560



in his of whoever dominates the world island dominates the world. Well,133401:20:05.560 --> 01:20:09.439



Great Britain acted as a geopolitical balancer with respect to133501:20:09.479 --> 01:20:13.399



the continent of Europe during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.133601:20:13.760 --> 01:20:17.279



They balanced the pathway. Yeah, yep, the old British Empire133701:20:17.319 --> 01:20:21.359



acted as a geopolitical balancer. So now the United States,133801:20:21.439 --> 01:20:25.399



in an analogous situation, should act as the world's geopolitical133901:20:25.479 --> 01:20:29.119



balancer in the twenty first century and use its power134001:20:29.520 --> 01:20:34.239



not to control necessarily or project its power all over134101:20:34.279 --> 01:20:36.840



the world, but to be able to use it judiciously134201:20:37.479 --> 01:20:43.159



to frustrate or negate any potential aggressive empire builder from134301:20:43.159 --> 01:20:47.039



attempting to dominate the world island. It's you're basically trying134401:20:47.079 --> 01:20:49.600



to force a stalemate, an indefinite stalemate.134501:20:50.319 --> 01:20:53.119



Yeah, I agree with I agree with your statements there134601:20:53.520 --> 01:20:56.680



with throw the statue though, but sure of one of134701:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.439



the greatest ways to control a nation is economically, because134801:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.640



it's exactly how we've been keeping North Korea and Check134901:21:03.680 --> 01:21:08.560



all this time. Okay, and and so when it came135001:21:08.600 --> 01:21:13.039



to Russia though, we never fully went down that pathway.135101:21:13.319 --> 01:21:18.840



You know, they supply Europe with so much energy. Now135201:21:19.399 --> 01:21:23.479



what happened with this Ukraine conflict. Finally, finally they got135301:21:23.479 --> 01:21:25.239



wise and said, hey, you know what we're gonna have135401:21:25.239 --> 01:21:27.239



to We're gonna have to turn off the finances here.135501:21:27.279 --> 01:21:29.760



We've got to turn off that faucet, and we're no135601:21:29.800 --> 01:21:31.880



longer to get energy from you, and we're gonna get elsewhere.135701:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.359



But here we are, all of a sudden, European nations135801:21:35.399 --> 01:21:38.199



are backtracking on that strategy and saying, you know what,135901:21:38.279 --> 01:21:42.000



we need to re engage Russia for energy again. So136001:21:42.399 --> 01:21:44.439



it's like we're not even I mean not even from136101:21:44.680 --> 01:21:46.960



from history of old. We came and learned from history136201:21:47.039 --> 01:21:50.800



within a few months. You know, it's it's kind of ridiculous,136301:21:50.840 --> 01:21:51.800



so it can't stick to the plan.136401:21:53.359 --> 01:21:55.520



And the thing is, we are we are not a136501:21:56.039 --> 01:21:57.479



truly unified coalition.136601:21:57.920 --> 01:21:59.279



True and the end.136701:21:59.520 --> 01:22:04.439



Here's where the Trump administration could exercise genuine leadership in136801:22:05.359 --> 01:22:10.600



consultation with its NATO allies in formulating a grand strategic framework,136901:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.399



a grand strategy for the twenty first century and beyond.137001:22:14.039 --> 01:22:17.319



This is the true challenge for the Trump administration, and137101:22:18.119 --> 01:22:21.880



the instrument of wisdom, the creation of wisdom, which I've described,137201:22:22.159 --> 01:22:26.279



would be one very important instrument in carrying out that137301:22:26.359 --> 01:22:30.000



sort of grand strategy. The idea is the United States137401:22:30.079 --> 01:22:35.560



as both the combination of the arsenal of democracy, the137501:22:35.720 --> 01:22:38.479



arsenal of freedom, you know, an example for the rest137601:22:38.520 --> 01:22:43.920



of the world, but also the potential to generate large137701:22:44.000 --> 01:22:48.840



amounts of economic wealth. For example, if we successfully develop137801:22:49.279 --> 01:22:56.960



fusion power for use commercially, what the potential of fusion137901:22:57.039 --> 01:22:59.960



power is to provide for the people of the world138001:23:00.479 --> 01:23:05.359



an unlimited source of energy to clean, carbon free if138101:23:05.399 --> 01:23:09.600



you're worried about that sort of stuff, but the but138201:23:09.680 --> 01:23:13.880



essentially an unlimited amount of energy forever right for all138301:23:13.920 --> 01:23:18.560



practically intense and that, and the historical experience has been138401:23:18.600 --> 01:23:22.159



every time that humanity has developed a new source of energy,138501:23:23.359 --> 01:23:27.760



the result has been a massive increase in wealth creation.138601:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.279



Every time it has never failed. It generates more wealth138701:23:32.319 --> 01:23:36.000



and raises the standard of living for people worldwide.138801:23:35.720 --> 01:23:37.880



You know, and this is the potential. Yeah, and then138901:23:38.119 --> 01:23:42.079



on that energy topic, since you brought that up, it's crazy. Hell,139001:23:42.159 --> 01:23:45.880



we've held ourselves back from not fully engaging in the139101:23:46.000 --> 01:23:50.720



nuclear energy possibilities, especially with all the safeguards we have.139201:23:50.960 --> 01:23:53.960



And you know, we've been dealing with nuclear since if139301:23:54.000 --> 01:23:57.840



I'm correct, the sixties or so. Yes, Okay, so with139401:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.760



all that time gone by, we've definitely developed much safer measures.139501:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.960



We definitely have a handle on on power plants, and139601:24:05.000 --> 01:24:06.920



we could even do them on a smaller scale now139701:24:06.960 --> 01:24:09.119



almost I wouldn't say like a micro power plant, but139801:24:09.239 --> 01:24:12.399



more definitely much smaller than they used to be, so139901:24:12.439 --> 01:24:14.359



you can have one in every city if you need be,140001:24:14.479 --> 01:24:17.479



for example. So, yeah, I wonder why we haven't really140101:24:17.479 --> 01:24:19.760



gone down that road and we're still relying on these140201:24:19.960 --> 01:24:24.199



older methods of energy.140301:24:24.159 --> 01:24:27.359



For the power of the power grouprid Yes, because our140401:24:27.399 --> 01:24:30.119



power grid is becoming inc increasingly vulnerable.140501:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.880



Too, because that's that's their and that could really, as140601:24:32.920 --> 01:24:39.880



you said, push this world further forward. Why what what's140701:24:39.920 --> 01:24:42.560



going on with that? Why why are we so so stubborn?140801:24:45.800 --> 01:24:51.199



Well, to its credit, the Trump administration is looking at140901:24:51.279 --> 01:24:55.520



ways for unleashing creation of more energy, and people like141001:24:55.560 --> 01:25:00.479



Elon Musk and others. You know, Elon would certainly welcome,141101:25:00.520 --> 01:25:05.720



for example, the development of nuclear therbal propulsion engines because141201:25:05.760 --> 01:25:08.680



that makes the space fleet more effective, and it also141301:25:08.720 --> 01:25:12.199



makes missions to Mars if he's looking at trying to141401:25:12.239 --> 01:25:16.119



colonize Mars, at least with a small scientific colony, because141501:25:16.119 --> 01:25:20.000



there are still many other charge challenges that they come141601:25:20.039 --> 01:25:24.720



with trying to explore Mars. But you have the great141701:25:24.760 --> 01:25:29.880



potential for again, widespread use of nuclear energy would be141801:25:29.920 --> 01:25:34.720



a useful backup for nuclear fusion power because those two141901:25:34.720 --> 01:25:38.279



in combination, you could satisfy the energy needs of humanity142001:25:38.399 --> 01:25:42.760



in a car in a non polluting manner indefinitely, and142101:25:42.880 --> 01:25:49.960



that would introduce a potential golden age for wealth creation.142201:25:48.600 --> 01:25:52.399



And yeah, and the advestment of technology, because now we142301:25:52.439 --> 01:25:54.319



have the energy, we have the ability and.142401:25:55.079 --> 01:25:58.920



If you couple that a couple that development again with142501:25:59.039 --> 01:26:04.000



the creation of wisdom to neutralize the possibility of global142601:26:04.239 --> 01:26:07.960



thermon nuclear war. Then you have a really winning commendation142701:26:08.520 --> 01:26:11.439



and you have the potential for the Trump administration to142801:26:11.560 --> 01:26:15.199



make significant contributions to the betterment of humanity.142901:26:16.199 --> 01:26:19.680



Yes, well, doctor Lockwood, I want to be respectful of143001:26:19.680 --> 01:26:24.399



your time because you are three hours ahead of me, and.143101:26:24.399 --> 01:26:27.119



So hey, I'm armed with my coffee. I can take143201:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.199



I can. I've got it. I've got it. I'm not143301:26:29.319 --> 01:26:30.279



running on fumes.143401:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.319



No, No, you're not, you're not. I just want to143501:26:32.319 --> 01:26:36.520



make sure I'm respecting your time here. So with that143601:26:36.600 --> 01:26:41.359



being said, like I I really like everything that you said,143701:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.319



and I liked your proposals. I really hope though, that143801:26:45.399 --> 01:26:48.119



we can come to some kind of peace agreement between143901:26:48.479 --> 01:26:51.319



Ukraine and Russia. And you know this all hinges on144001:26:51.359 --> 01:26:53.760



whether or not Putin wants to be stubborn improve the point,144101:26:54.199 --> 01:26:58.359



I think I am a little fearful as as far144201:26:58.439 --> 01:27:01.640



as how Trump has been acting lately. Not that not144301:27:01.720 --> 01:27:02.840



that he has I.144401:27:02.800 --> 01:27:06.319



Share your fear because he can be. It's he's exciting144501:27:06.359 --> 01:27:08.560



to watch, but a little dangerous. Davy light.144601:27:09.319 --> 01:27:12.239



Yeah, absolutely, and we need our allies. We cannot look144701:27:13.159 --> 01:27:18.399



it's been predicted by by Intel people in the Intel144801:27:18.399 --> 01:27:22.119



community that we are definitely we're definitely going to be144901:27:22.199 --> 01:27:25.600



engaging with China in a peer on peer war here145001:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.159



probably around twenty twenty seven. It really seems like we're145101:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.840



on the fast track of doing that. We need to145201:27:32.920 --> 01:27:36.960



get this situation with Ukraine and Russia under control before145301:27:36.960 --> 01:27:40.960



we can even think about engaging with China. And so145401:27:41.079 --> 01:27:45.279



there's my fear in how the Trump administration has been145501:27:45.319 --> 01:27:48.600



acting as as far as our allies are concerned. I mean,145601:27:48.960 --> 01:27:51.680



are are Are they correct in calling them out for145701:27:51.800 --> 01:27:54.560



not carrying their own weight? Sure, but at the same145801:27:54.640 --> 01:27:57.199



time you do have to kind of like pat him145901:27:57.199 --> 01:28:01.319



on the back and realize that, look, I'm just going146001:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.800



no offense, but if shit hits the fan for example, No,146101:28:05.039 --> 01:28:06.560



we need our friends period.146201:28:06.640 --> 01:28:07.159



Yes we do.146301:28:07.439 --> 01:28:09.960



Yeah we're not We're big, but we're not that big.146401:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.119



I mean, the world is bigger than we are, So146501:28:12.319 --> 01:28:13.800



we do need our friends.146601:28:14.279 --> 01:28:16.640



Even in World War Two, we had we had to146701:28:16.640 --> 01:28:20.520



be very even though we had amazing resources, we had146801:28:20.520 --> 01:28:24.560



to very carefully plan what how much were we going146901:28:24.600 --> 01:28:28.560



to develop devote developing naval power? How much did we147001:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.800



devote to air power? And how much would would we147101:28:31.840 --> 01:28:35.720



have to devote for our army, and we ended up147201:28:35.760 --> 01:28:39.359



building it. We ended up using economy of force, relying147301:28:39.399 --> 01:28:44.119



on air superiority and naval superiority to get to a147401:28:44.520 --> 01:28:49.159



basis to have to uh mobilize only ninety divisions, only147501:28:49.439 --> 01:28:54.960



ninety divisions. And we calculated that that allocation of forces147601:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.479



so finely that by the time of the Battle of147701:28:58.520 --> 01:29:02.720



the Bulge in December nineteen, we had to win that147801:29:02.840 --> 01:29:06.279



battle with the forces we had left because we had147901:29:06.359 --> 01:29:10.560



just committed the last of our divisions. We had calculated148001:29:10.600 --> 01:29:15.760



it that precisely, And so that gives you an idea. Yeah,148101:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.479



we couldn't go it alone in World War Two. No,148201:29:18.640 --> 01:29:21.520



we were providing the bulk of the power. And in148301:29:21.720 --> 01:29:25.319



any future war, especially if we adopt a strategy of148401:29:25.359 --> 01:29:29.680



being the world's geopolitical balancer, we allies are a must.148501:29:30.039 --> 01:29:33.720



We have to reinforce what allies we have, not attempt148601:29:33.760 --> 01:29:37.960



to go it alone or or god forbid, become isolationists,148701:29:38.520 --> 01:29:41.279



because eventually the war would eventually the war would come148801:29:41.319 --> 01:29:41.640



to us.148901:29:41.720 --> 01:29:47.239



That's not a strategy of success at all, being an isolationist. Now,149001:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.520



since I did bring up China, though they are an149101:29:50.520 --> 01:29:53.680



ally of Russia. Now, what I found interesting through this149201:29:53.840 --> 01:29:59.119



entire conflict is China has not been too vocal in149301:29:59.479 --> 01:30:03.000



their stance on this. They've sent some aid to Russia,149401:30:03.039 --> 01:30:05.760



but it's mostly in like I don't know, like micro149501:30:05.880 --> 01:30:07.600



chips and other things like that, so they can continue149601:30:07.600 --> 01:30:11.000



to develop technologies in the war. But they haven't even149701:30:11.000 --> 01:30:13.920



sent any troops to help, which was interesting because North149801:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.039



Korea stepped up and did so. China's kind of been149901:30:17.039 --> 01:30:18.880



a little hands off in this whole thing, and it's150001:30:18.960 --> 01:30:21.880



very interesting to watch them in this involvement. What do150101:30:21.880 --> 01:30:22.439



you think of that?150201:30:23.760 --> 01:30:27.680



I think they are recognizing tacitly that their Russian ally150301:30:28.399 --> 01:30:30.960



isn't exactly as dominating as they thought they were going150401:30:31.000 --> 01:30:35.760



to be. They're hedging their bets yea and so, and150501:30:36.000 --> 01:30:39.039



they are trying to develop their own sources military. They're150601:30:39.039 --> 01:30:43.000



trying to develop their own nuclear arsenal and build that up,150701:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.840



which is also all the more reason why if you're150801:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.399



going to be dealing with you, if we're all the150901:30:48.520 --> 01:30:50.159



more reason for developing wisdom.151001:30:50.279 --> 01:30:54.479



Yeah, absolutely, I agree with you there. Maybe China also151101:30:54.520 --> 01:30:58.920



sees Russia as no longer really completely aligning with their151201:30:59.000 --> 01:31:02.760



views or with their agendas anyway, that could also be151301:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.039



the case. I mean Putin has kind of well he151401:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.039



hasn't kind of he is showing to be more dictorial151501:31:08.119 --> 01:31:11.439



in his in his efforts and his actions in the world,151601:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.359



especially now as he's getting older and really thinking about151701:31:14.359 --> 01:31:17.920



his legacy. I believe so maybe China's looking beyond that.151801:31:17.960 --> 01:31:20.399



They're like, look, yeah, we're allies, but maybe you're not151901:31:20.399 --> 01:31:21.520



the partner we really need.152001:31:22.640 --> 01:31:27.439



Well, neither Putin nor g are spring Chickens.152101:31:28.119 --> 01:31:30.960



Well, no, no, no, no, understood. And I'm not trying152201:31:30.960 --> 01:31:32.960



to make this an ageous thing. It's just you know,152301:31:33.039 --> 01:31:36.159



after a while, he's been Look, Putin's been been a152401:31:36.199 --> 01:31:38.920



leader for a while, and he's always wanted to reunite152501:31:39.119 --> 01:31:42.399



the old USSR period, and he knows he has so152601:31:42.479 --> 01:31:45.079



much time to do so. So that's that's why I152701:31:45.119 --> 01:31:47.319



make that statement. I just think I just think he can.152801:31:47.680 --> 01:31:50.359



He's he's feeling the pressure of Look, if I want152901:31:50.359 --> 01:31:52.319



to get this done, I better get this done now.153001:31:52.680 --> 01:31:54.800



And that's why I made that statement. It really wasn't153101:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.479



to demean anybody by age. It was just I think153201:31:58.520 --> 01:32:02.039



he sees his timeline, he sees how much time he153301:32:02.119 --> 01:32:06.720



has and he's like, I'm going to now make this happen.153401:32:07.000 --> 01:32:09.600



And that's just my opinion based on what I see.153501:32:09.680 --> 01:32:13.279



So yeah, well if he if he, if he's a153601:32:14.039 --> 01:32:18.560



factoring in his own mortality as driving his timeline, then153701:32:18.680 --> 01:32:22.640



it becomes all the more imperative for the Western powers153801:32:22.680 --> 01:32:23.960



to say, no, you're not.153901:32:25.399 --> 01:32:26.640



Agree, and I agree with you.154001:32:26.680 --> 01:32:31.800



I do, absolutely says your your mortality, your legacy is154101:32:31.880 --> 01:32:33.079



not our priority.154201:32:34.199 --> 01:32:37.119



No, absolutely true. I agree.154301:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.079



So that that's going to be the message that they're154401:32:40.119 --> 01:32:42.239



going to have to learn to learn to deliver it154501:32:42.279 --> 01:32:46.439



to mister Prutin. And this is a George. I have154601:32:46.640 --> 01:32:50.279



genuinely enjoyed this discussion. It has been energizing. Yeah, I154701:32:50.359 --> 01:32:55.720



appreciate it, and I welcome any future opportunities as as154801:32:55.760 --> 01:32:56.439



things develop.154901:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.600



Listen, next time, I guarantee where you to go the155001:32:59.600 --> 01:33:01.640



full two hours, believe me, if not.155101:33:01.560 --> 01:33:04.319



Longer, really, well, let's see, yeah it's full hard. Well155201:33:04.359 --> 01:33:10.600



let's see a mere a mere hour and a half. Ah, yeah,155301:33:10.640 --> 01:33:11.720



we fell a little.155401:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.720



Short, but I think well, I think that we I155501:33:14.720 --> 01:33:18.880



think we covered everything very concisely, and and you made155601:33:18.920 --> 01:33:24.000



some very very good arguments. So it's like, I'm not155701:33:24.039 --> 01:33:25.840



really sure I'm not really sure what else we can155801:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.279



add to this Ukraine Russia situation because it's it's still developing,155901:33:29.359 --> 01:33:32.920



right and it's developing by the hour. So it's probably156001:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.399



best that look at this point, you made some great points,156101:33:37.119 --> 01:33:39.359



I had some questions answered, and I think this is156201:33:39.359 --> 01:33:41.479



something we need to revisit because it's we're not done.156301:33:41.600 --> 01:33:43.000



We're absolutely not done with the situation.156401:33:43.840 --> 01:33:46.800



So I'll get my closing statement as far as the156501:33:46.880 --> 01:33:50.640



Ukraine Russia conflict is, is that you here you have156601:33:50.680 --> 01:33:57.119



two nations with politically irreconcilable goals. Yeah, the restoration of156701:33:57.119 --> 01:34:00.720



the Russian Empire versus the sovereignty of Ukraine. These are156801:34:00.800 --> 01:34:05.199



politically irreconcilable that they can be cited realistically only by156901:34:05.279 --> 01:34:08.600



war in which one side or the other prevails. And157001:34:08.760 --> 01:34:13.199



any peace agreement which rewards Russia in any way for157101:34:13.319 --> 01:34:17.199



having invaded Ukraine is not a peace agreement. It is appeasement.157201:34:17.640 --> 01:34:20.880



And therefore we'll set the stage for another war, which157301:34:20.960 --> 01:34:23.840



neither NATO, the United States or Ukraine wants.157401:34:24.119 --> 01:34:28.239



Can argue with that statement, Why don't you for the listeners,157501:34:28.279 --> 01:34:30.520



I have tell everybody how they can connect with you,157601:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.800



where they can find information on you, etc. If you157701:34:33.880 --> 01:34:35.439



have any social media.157801:34:35.000 --> 01:34:40.159



Well, okay, I let's see you can. They should check157901:34:40.159 --> 01:34:44.119



out IBMTV pod TV on which I appear on the158001:34:44.239 --> 01:34:49.960



Ukrainian show, The Ukraine Show with and I will What158101:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.239



I will do, George is I will send you the158201:34:53.319 --> 01:34:57.239



email for my producer. Okay, and you they can. You158301:34:57.319 --> 01:34:59.479



can then send it to your listeners and they can158401:34:59.520 --> 01:35:02.119



tune into the Ukraine Show, which is every Tuesday and158501:35:02.159 --> 01:35:06.560



every Friday at eleven a m. Eastern Standard time, and158601:35:06.760 --> 01:35:09.359



usually goes for at least a half hour, sometimes for158701:35:09.479 --> 01:35:11.960



as much as an hour. And they have the option158801:35:12.079 --> 01:35:16.319



to you sort of, uh, actually pop into the broadcast158901:35:16.359 --> 01:35:19.640



itself and ask questions. All that doesn't happen too often.159001:35:19.640 --> 01:35:24.439



We are still equipped to handle it, okay, And for uh,159101:35:24.520 --> 01:35:27.800



if interest viewers who are interested in the I have159201:35:27.880 --> 01:35:32.159



two published books which are available on Amazon Books. You159301:35:32.199 --> 01:35:35.000



just simply you know, Google Amazon, get on their book159401:35:35.039 --> 01:35:38.600



section and look up either The Russian View of US159501:35:38.720 --> 01:35:43.520



Strategy It's Pasted its Future by Jonathan S. Lockwood and159601:35:43.720 --> 01:35:47.439



Kathleen O'Brien Lockwood. We co authored that one. The other159701:35:47.479 --> 01:35:53.039



book is The Lockwood Analytical Method for Prediction LAMP l159801:35:53.119 --> 01:35:55.960



a MP. Now that is a that might be a159901:35:56.000 --> 01:35:59.439



topic for another for another another time, But that is160001:35:59.479 --> 01:36:03.039



an an analytical method which I developed and for which160101:36:03.119 --> 01:36:06.359



apparently I'm still very well known in the intelligence community.160201:36:06.560 --> 01:36:09.439



Actually, when I looked your name up after we connected,160301:36:09.600 --> 01:36:11.640



I looked, you know, just to do a little soft160401:36:11.800 --> 01:36:14.239



you know, dive on you, and LAMP came up quite160501:36:14.239 --> 01:36:18.159



a bit. So we do have to discuss that another episode,160601:36:18.199 --> 01:36:18.560



for sure.160701:36:18.560 --> 01:36:21.640



Oh yeah, there's an interesting there's an interesting thing, but160801:36:21.760 --> 01:36:27.079



that was published in twenty thirteen and it is it160901:36:27.159 --> 01:36:30.359



is a structured method for making an intelligence prediction.161001:36:30.600 --> 01:36:32.960



Yeah, let's let's save that for another because I am161101:36:33.000 --> 01:36:34.600



interested in talking about that one with you, for sure.161201:36:35.399 --> 01:36:38.880



You know what I do though, I let me mention161301:36:38.920 --> 01:36:40.800



this too. I'm going to create a guest page for161401:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.119



you on my website, and we were going to make161501:36:43.119 --> 01:36:44.720



sure that we have all these links there so when161601:36:44.720 --> 01:36:47.960



they click on this episode, you will pop up, and161701:36:48.000 --> 01:36:49.399



then we'll make sure that I can get all those161801:36:49.399 --> 01:36:51.359



links from you that you have, and we'll make that161901:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.039



part of your guest profile on the website on my162001:36:54.159 --> 01:36:57.000



end as well, So hopefully that'll help listeners find you162101:36:57.960 --> 01:36:59.039



a little bit easier as well.162201:37:00.039 --> 01:37:04.279



Fantastic. Yeah not this is this has been very energizing162301:37:04.640 --> 01:37:08.199



and interesting discussion. I really enjoyed it.162401:37:08.399 --> 01:37:11.079



I appreciate your time. Yeah, oh very good, Dan.162501:37:11.279 --> 01:37:14.560



So yeah, I'm going to get back and to hunkering162601:37:14.640 --> 01:37:18.560



down in this cold weather, winter weather and just yeah,162701:37:18.760 --> 01:37:22.279



just just chilling out and maybe getting a bottle, maybe162801:37:22.279 --> 01:37:24.000



getting a glass at Bubbly or something.162901:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.319



That's kind of where I'm going next. I'm a big163001:37:26.399 --> 01:37:28.880



champagne guy, so I'm about to pop a cork here,163101:37:29.800 --> 01:37:33.239



Doctor Lockwood. Thank you very much, and I guarantee you163201:37:33.279 --> 01:37:36.319



and I will be staying in touch. So yes, appreciate163301:37:36.359 --> 01:37:39.800



your time. Excellent, awesome, Thank you as always, Thank you163401:37:39.880 --> 01:37:43.119



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