Feb. 23, 2025

65 - Dr. Jonathan S. Lockwood - Russian Aggression Towards Ukraine and America's Iron Dome Solution

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Join us for an insightful conversation with Dr. Jonathan S. Lockwood, a retired Army Intelligence Colonel, as he breaks down the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine through a cultural and historical lens. Drawing from his extensive military expertise, Dr. Lockwood provides a fresh perspective on the conflict’s deeper roots and dynamics. Plus, don’t miss his bold and innovative take on a unique solution to enhance America’s proposed Iron Dome defense system—a proposal that could redefine national security strategy.

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You are listening to a Fonds Media Network production.

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Welcome one of the Blades listeners. Today, I have retired

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Army Intelligence Colonel Doctor Jonathan S. Lockwood, PhDe. Doctor Lockwood

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offers his insight based on his many years of experience

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into the Ukraine Russia situation, as well as offering some

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very unique solutions that can be deployed to further strengthen

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American defenses and deploy an effective iron dome. Doctor Lockwood

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and I had an insightful conversation that I believe you

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will find very informative.

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Put that over you. What's going on in Ukraine? I

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deal with it twice a week on the Ukraine Show

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with IBMTV pod TV. We do it every Tuesday and

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every Friday. And we went about one of our podcasters,

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Yvon Kirrachenko. He is in Kiev, so he's our man

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on the spot and the host of the host of

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the podcasts uh Sasha Starr. He is based in Canada,

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but he's Ukrainian native Ukrainian and he's he lives in Canada,

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and so so I have a Ukrainian host based in

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Canada and a Ukrainian co host who's based in Kiev,

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and I'm I'm the Russia expert.

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Got it, So you have definitely gotta grass what's going

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on with the Ukraine Russia situation then. And so before

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before we go too much further in this recording, I

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got to announce your name so people actually know who

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you are. You are doctor Jonathan Lockwood, PhD.

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Yep, and you know, but you know it's you know,

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it's really striking about that. And you don't have to

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mention this to your audience, but I came into the

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army with my PhD the same year that our current

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Security Defense Hegseth was born.

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Well, we're recording, so we're just gonna let everybody know

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about that because I think I think that offers some

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unique perspective in terms of who you are in your

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experience in these matters. You know, it's it's it's it's one.

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It's one thing to be recognized, right such as you know,

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uh sec def Hegseth right now. But for someone with

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your experience with the PhD, who's actually taught, you know,

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at a university level, and you you have been leaned

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on as a subject matter expert for so long in

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your career, I mean, I think that just speaks volume.

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So for me to have you on it is awesome

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because you know, I've talked about this Russia Ukraine situation

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with many people, some YouTube famous people, some people maybe

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you know, I don't know, but also an intelligence community.

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Well here's something that can make you excited. When we

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get to the discussion about the Iron Dome.

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Yeah, I want to talk about that for sure.

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I have some unique recommendations that if the Trump administration

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hears about them and acts on them, this will be awesome.

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The thing that I'm going to be talking about the

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suggestions for making the Iron Dome work, this is the

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I am the only one in the world making these

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particular types of suggestions. No one else is. And you

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will understand why once we get into it, because I

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first introduced the concept back in my book The Russian

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View of US Strategy, which was published in nineteen ninety three,

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and the predictions that I made in that book are

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coming true now wow, which is yeah, so it's gonna it.

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This could be wild.

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Well, we're definitely, We're definitely going to get to that

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for sure. So I'm gonna put up oh In in that.

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But just because it's so hot, right now, let's start

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with the Russia Ukraine situation, because it seems as I

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had an idea of what to ask you and what

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to go over, but as we were just discussed online earlier,

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it's like it seems by the hour, almost every twenty minutes,

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there's an update as to what's going on.

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So it is a fast moving train and it's going

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to be we have to we have to jump on board,

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and the you are, we are on the We are

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at the hinge of history. Absolutely, this is a sise

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of moment in history and the great favor that this

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conflict is giving us. It is making the world more

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aware of historical precedent. Absolutely, of trying to learn the

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lessons of history. If there was ever a need to

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learn the lessons of history, this is it.

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Yeah, I agree, But it seems like at the moment

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we're kind of repeating a bit of it.

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Yep. Yeah, And they keep they people keep thinking about

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Munich nineteen thirty eight, right, and I would bring up that,

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I'll bring up that parallel, and I'll bring up what

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Churchill had to say about it.

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Well, let's actually let's get to that. Let's get to

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that point. You want to make right after, right after

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we discussed this, because I want to ask you. I

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want to ask you a question. I do get political

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on my show when I do my solo episodes, but

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I'm going to try to keep out of that. We'll

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just talk about the present for who he is and

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whatnot and stay out of right left politics for now. Right,

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So the question being, do you yourself, with all your

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experience and knowledge and everything that you've done and assess

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in these situations throughout the years, how do you feel

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about Trump being criticized for trying to negotiate with Putin?

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People are feeling that Zelensky should have a seat at

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the table with I don't think he's necessarily not going

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to be invited. But we also have to acknowledge that

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during the Biden administration, even even a little bit towards

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the end of Obamas, mostly during the Biden administration they

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kind of isolated Putin from any types of negotiations and

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only talk to him through through the ambassadorship in you

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know what, twenty twenty two, and then there was nothing

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really more from that since then. How do you feel

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about the criticism that Trump is getting for trying to

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bring Putin to the table and talk to him directly

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to find out what he would like in.

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This Well, I don't vote the president for wanting to

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reach out and bring an end to the war. The

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problem is, you can't focus on bringing the end of

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an end to the war just for the sake of

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bringing an end to the war, because you have to

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be able to guarantee the peace that follows. And the

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problem is you cannot have peace at any price, because

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if you focus on that, you can fall into the

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trap at Neville Chamberlain fell into in nineteen thirty eight,

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where he basically, in order to gain peace for our time,

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as he put it, he engaged in what is appeasement.

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You know, you gave him what he wanted and hoped

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that he would honor and not start a war as

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a result. And Winston Churchill, as we recall, he said

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to Neville Chamberlain, he said, you had a choice between

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dishonor and war. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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And it was true, and Churchill was absolutely correct. And

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now people, to their credit, various nations across the world

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are remembering that historical precedent and they are drawing parallels

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with it. And they are very concerned that the Trump

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administration may fall into the same trap in their eagerness

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to establish a peace agreement. Now President Trump wants to

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He pays very much. He is very mindful of his

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potential legacy after the end of his second term. He

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would certainly like to be remembered as a man who

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brought peace to the Russia Ukraine War. But by the

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same token, also he does not want to be remembered

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as a sucker. Yeah, someone or someone who has taken

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advantage I have played for a fool. He does not

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want that either. So I have noted that he has

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mentioned some made remarks that said that that we can't

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ford to stop supporting Ukraine or otherwise Putin will think

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he's won. And Putin apparently does seem to think that

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he is winning, although I would tend to argue with

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his rationale for it, because he is not gaining a

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decisive victory on the battlefield. He is taking horrendous casualties.

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They are largely his own fault because he overestimated the

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Russian army's own ability to essentially occupy Ukraine. He greatly

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underestimated Ukraine's will and ability to resist.

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And I agree with that point. I agree with that point.

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I have talked about this previously with another individual. And

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what is interesting though, is he's not winning the land

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battle at all. But we also have to point out

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that Putin has not unleashed the full potential of the

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Russian military either, which I have to question why. I

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don't understand it. It's above me, to be honest, it's

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beyond my comprehension as to why he's not going full force,

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other than maybe that he knows he would decimate a

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land that he wants to make part of Russia, and

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maybe he didn't want to go through the process of

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rebuilding it if he did. But what is your opinion

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on why he hasn't unleashed the full potential of the

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Russian military on Ukraine.

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Well, okay, he has. One of the things we have

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to remember is that Putin has been capitalizing on the

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fact that they have technically the world's largest nuclear arsenal.

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And the importance of the nuclear arsenal to Russia itself

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cannot be overstated because based on my research in my

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book The Russian View of US Strategy, as well as

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the previous book The Soviet View of US strategic doctrine

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and my observations of Russian behavior sent in the post

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Cold War period. For president, Russian President Boris Yelsen stated

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in a speech to the Russian Duma in nineteen ninety four,

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he stated, the only reason Russia is considered a great

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power is because its armed forces have nuclear weapons. Now,

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that statement tells you more than they practically. He practically

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gave the game away there with that statement, because during

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the Cold War as well as in the post Cold

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War period, the Russians viewed their nuclear arsenal as the

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decision not only as a symbol of their great power status,

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but as their principal means of leverage over the West,

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the implication of the growth of their view of US

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strategic doctrine. They saw it as a forced response to

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the growth of Soviet nuclear power. The implication, the more

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the Russians built their nuclear arsenal, the more the United

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States would be forced to accommodate itself to the growth

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of Soviet power. So this provided no really definable upper

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limit when it gave them a self sustaining motivation for

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building Soviet nuclear power. So that is interesting. And in

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the post Globar period they have used that as their

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principal means of leverage of trying to intimidate the West,

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relying on the Western fear of nuclear escalation in order

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to give them cover to pursue their military and political objectives.

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So this becomes a fascinating dynamic it's playing out. But

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this also reveals a potential weakness that a means for

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the that the West has not yet fully taken advantage of.

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The implications of it are clear in the success of

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the ballistic missile defense efforts in Ukraine. Ukraine has experienced

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a great deal of success with the Patriot system and

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that it had a high rate of intercept and other

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ballistic missile defense systems at least the not the lasers,

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not laser systems, but ballistic missile defense and stems that

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have been highly successful. This has great potential if it

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is properly complemented with other types of developments of the

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for example, bring in to fully create the Iron Dome

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over the United States. But it has to be done

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in a different way than Israel is doing it.

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So do you think so? Do you think that maybe

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their power is just a perceived power because of their

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nuclear armament?

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That is correct? Okay, they call their forces. It's interesting

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the Russian word that they use, they don't have an

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exact word for deterrence in the sense that we have it.

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They call they translate our word for deterrence, they translated

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as ustrashnya, which means intimidation. So they call their nuclear

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nuclear intimidation forces.

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Okay, and this is.

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Not very caught on very well in the West.

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What about what about the irishnik missile technology, the hypersonic

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missile technology? Was that just a show kind of like, hey,

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look what else we have in our arsenal because it

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seemed like it was a one time use. And it's

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been argued that the only reason that they haven't used

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more of them is because they can't afford to and

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maybe there was a financial constraint here as to also

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why they're not, you know, doing a full court press,

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as they say against Ukraine. What do you think of

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that assessment or that opinion.

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Well, it's it's probably a very sound assessment, because we

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must One of the historic weaknesses of the Russian military,

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which very clearly shown in World War Two and carrying

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through to the present still, is their logistics capability, their

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ability to supply and sustain war. I will point out

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that in World War Two the Russian logistical system was

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basically horse drawn wagons. That that that there is and

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if it were had not been for the fact that

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the United States during World War Two was supplying Russia

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with Ford trucks, that was that gave the Russian army

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a motorized logistical capability which and eventually enabled them to

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drive the Nazis out of Russia, out of out of

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Slow Union. Without that, they would have had a very

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hard time driving. The Germans would have been able to

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last a lot longer on the Eastern Front had it

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not been for the logistical capability provided by the United States.

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Now that carries over into the current situation. The Russian

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logistical capability has been very suspect. There's a lot of

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corruption in the Russian logistical system.

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They'd steal from they steal from their own system.

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Exactly right, You've got You've nailed it. So here's what

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happens because of that weakness in their logistical capability. The

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Ukrainians are fully aware of it, and so they capitalize

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on it. They are striking deep at the Russian logistical system,

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at the infrastructure and what it has shown up in

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a continuing decrease in the power of a Russian offensive

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they don't really have. They are becoming less and less

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capable of sustaining offensive actions against the Ukrainian military. They

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are not much better off in their offensive than they

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claim to be. And of course they're using disinformation and

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other types of reports to confuse the issue and basically

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try to convince the world, yes, we are winning this war,

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when in fact they are not. Their Russian Black Sea

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fleet has been, you know, severely damaged. They really don't

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have a presence in the naval presence in the Black Sea.

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NATO could, with certain coordination, take advantage of this by

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getting Turkey's permission to allow NATO's fleet to get into

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the Black Sea and establish naval superiority for Ukraine on

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behalf of NATO helping them to shut off the Russian

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ability to use the Black Sea completely. There are opportunities

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there depending on and I pointed out on the Ukraine Show,

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even in the current situation, we have to remember we

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do not know everything that is going on behind the scenes. No, no,

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And the thing is people were saying early on in

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the war that Ukraine would never be allowed to use

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Hi Mars Kerry would never be allowed to use attacks

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and blow and behold. You know, the Ukrainians come up

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with surprise after surprise, right and there's still the potential

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even though right now, you know, everybody says, oh, it's

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impossible for Ukraine to recover the Crimea. I have pointed

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out on the show several times that the Crimea is

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a significant center of gravity in the Russian Ukrainian war.

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If the Ukraine does have the potential to seal off

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the logistical and reinforcement lines to Crimea, if they seal

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it off and make it impossible for the Russians to

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reinforce or resupply the Crimea, then the Ukrainians can use

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whatever strategic reserves they have to mount an offensive into

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Crimea and force the surrender of the Russian occupiers in Crimea.

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If that occurs, and the potential is there, then that

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would inflict a decisive operational defeat upon the Russian forces

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which they would not be able to disguise or explain away,

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and that would provide a significant victory for the Ukrainians

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to then form and negotiate a shall I say, justin

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lasting piece.

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Yeah, Crimea is an interesting piece because it also a

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piece of the puzzle. Way, I mean, is it kind

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of started with that what twenty fourteen fourteen? Yeah exactly.

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But you know, this leads me to this question, and

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he maybe I don't know what Trump's strategy wasn't in

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this statement, but blaming Zelensky basically for this war and

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even pointing out the war that started back in twenty

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fourteen which led to the Minsk agreements and all that,

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and so is it Zelenski's fault? I mean, here's the thing.

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It was started under the guise of, hey, we're going

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to go in and protect Russian citizens or the people

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of Russia, because Crimea was mostly populated by Russian sympathizers

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or Russian citizens allegedly. You know, I don't know all

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the ins and outs you probably, I'm sure do, And

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so that that was a justification for putin the first time,

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going in and saying, you know, we're going to take

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this they annexed it as part of Russia. Now, but

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what you're saying is, even though that happened fast forward

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today's times, they can no longer really hold onto that

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land militarily. If Ukraine wanted to press Russia for it,

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and I think that would be a major win.

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There is a potential there for an operational surprise. Yeah, yeah,

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because Russia has not has failed to anticipate, as during

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this war, Ukraine's ability to resist and to inflict. They didn't,

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They didn't anticipate Ukrainian counter attack into the Kursk Oblast,

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and they still have not been able to demonstrate any

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real capability for driving the Ukrainians out. Now, it's a

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very interesting situation, and what I would say is that

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if the UH to attain an operation, obtaining an operational,

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significant operational victory is vital for Ukraine at this point.

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If I would use using a historical good historical analogy

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would be the American Civil War during that time the

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Confederates in eighteen sixty four, after Gettysburg, the Confederates were

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hoping for a political victory by running McClellan against Lincoln

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in the eighteen sixty four election. Now, in order to

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guarantee that the Union could sue the Civil War to

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lot to its conclusion, the Union army had to win

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victories against the Confederacy that would make it impossible for

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a foreign power such as Great Britain or France to

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politically intervene in the American Civil War, which was still

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a possibility, and the Confederates were trying to gain a

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political victory in the eighteen sixty four election. So the

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interplay between military operations and political developments was certainly very

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much at play all throughout the American Civil War, and

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I would argue it is still very much at play

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here in the Russian Ukrainian War and Ukraine. As noted,

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you may have noted has Celensky did talk to Mark

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Sturmer and to gain their support, and there is a

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great deal of evidence that various NATO nations will be

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willing to have peacekeeping troops in Ukraine to help secure peace. Now,

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that is not the optimal solution, but it is if

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the and if President Trump, I would argue at this point, whoever,

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whoever are the people that are on the Trump team

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who are supposed to be the Russian national security advisors,

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whoever is advising Trump on Russia, in my my opinion,

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is not doing his or her job at all. Well,

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they do not comparently understand.

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So you don't you know, they're not being or.

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They're not If they do understand, they're not being listened.

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To understood, Yeah, because I mean, it's the statement he

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made about this being Zelensky's fault, Lensky's fault for defending

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his own country from being invaded and calling him, look.

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What you made? Look what you made me?

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Do?

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You made me invade you? What?

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Hey? Look? I can agree that that is a bit

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of a ridiculous statement, But I do know that Trump's

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power in negotiating is making very outlandish public statements just

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to stress test the situation and see how people react.

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So I'm not sure if that is what he was

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trying to do here.

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But that may well be. That may well be, you know,

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let's let's give. Let's give the man. There is there

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are advantages and disadvantages to President Trump's approach. His approach

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is is that it's almost like he's almost like he's

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using a principle of judo, and judo, as you know,

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is the Japanese the gentle way, using an opponent's off

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balance points and trying to apply strength against weakness to

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keep an opponent off balance and not being able to

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anticipate your next attack to defeat him without killing him.

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So what is interesting is is that Trump's approach keeps

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his adversaries off balance and not being sure exactly what

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course of action he's really going to take, because because yeah,

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the people that point out the madman theory, look out,

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he's crazy. He might attact. And this is a clever

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element of deterrence, is because if you can keep your

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opponents uncertain of what you are going to do. Uh.

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President Trump was probably is correct and saying that if

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he had been president the consecutive second term, that the

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Russian War never would have occurred. That He's probably quite

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correct in that because Putin would never have dared attack

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because he feared Russia. Putin's he feared Trump's unpredictability. So

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that but besides that gate, he is now relying on

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his unpredictability to keep not only his adversaries off balance,

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but it also unfortunately keeps his allies off balance.

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Yes, and yeah, you're right there. Yeah, it's it's.

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Very it's very high. And his NATO allies and his

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other allies are trying to accommodate and predict and role

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sort of go with the flow and try to figure out, Okay,

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how do we work around this.

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So the question the question here, Jonathan, I have is

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how else should have the US gone about in supporting

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Zelensky or trying to get involved in ending this war

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through a negotiation because it seemed I'm just saying bid

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administration because it was a previous administration, not for you know,

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calling one good one bad, but the previous administration did

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seem to not be interested in talking to Putin whatsoever,

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even though he invaded in twenty two. There were warning

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signs leading up to that where they could have definitely

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gone to Putin or gone to Russian tried to squash

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this from even happening, I think, And we also have

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to acknowledge that this is just my opinion based on

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what I see. I'm not claiming I'm writing this, but

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from my perspective, I haven't seen the EU do much

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to get in the way or get ahead of this either.

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And so like commised made by Jadie Vance in Munich,

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where he was basically saying, hey, look, you guys put

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yourselves here and you need to step up and protect

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yourselves and watch your own backyard, are basically what is

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your opinion on that, like, how how should the US

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have handled that? And how should the EU have handled that?

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Since it really is like their backyard, like right there,

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you know, And here's the thing of Russia encroaches and

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gains control. They're right on Poland's border. And now we

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do have a potential natal situation, so you know, what

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are your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, the e EU and NATO both have their respective

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spheres of influence. The us EU is primarily economic and

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NATO is primary for military and ensuring proper coordination between

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the two because there is no overarching command over both

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the e EU and NATO that can make them act

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in a fully coordinated fashion. So you know, Klauswitz has said,

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you know, politics, war is an extension of politics by

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other means. So EU has certain instruments at its disposal.

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They could participate in imposing sanctions if necessary on RUSSI,

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but that's in the peacetime realm, right And now you

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have and NATO only if one of its members is

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attacked can they invoke Article five Since Ukraine is not

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a member of NATO, at least not yet, and they

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because there's the essence of the NATO charter Charter precludes

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and them being brought into NATO while they are being invaded.

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There's that complication. So Ukraine has been trying to work

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out with it. We're around that with a series of

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bilateral security agreements and negotiations, which they've been able to

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do fairly successfully up to this point. So now you

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have the problem for the EU is they have to

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get back to a state of relative peace so that

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they're economic sanctions, they have more ability to interact with

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Ukraine and other allies in order to make the economic

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levers of power work moreffectively. NATO, for its part, because

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the United States is signaling that they are not willing

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to be the principal load bearer of the military effort.

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Now the burden is increasingly becoming on NATO NIP members

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to step up and devote a larger share of their

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their budgets to militaries, of their GDP to military spending

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and aid, as well as coordinate their response to the

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Russian invasion. And this is a very complicated problem, one

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that none of the NATO nations foresaw. None of them

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foresaw this situation.

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Well, it's certainly, it's complicated. Yeah, it's complicated, But when

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it comes to NATO, you know, we can talk about

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percentage of GDP, but we also got to talk about dollars,

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like how much is funded and the US funds over

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seventy percent of NATO on their own right, we have

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if it was a board of directors, we have the majority.

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I'm not saying it's right for us to act that way,

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but what I'm trying to get is, I guess I

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understand why Trump is saying what he's saying. You're like, hey,

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you know.

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You've got to chip in more so that it's more sustainable.

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Because at the same time, remember that President Trump and

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is his team, they are trying to tackle the the

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enormous national debt.

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Absolutely right now.

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It's out of it is out of control. And uh,

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it's in order and in order for the UH for

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those to achieve a subjectives to get this thing under control.

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00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.359
Remember the interest here's the key. Here's a key figure.

467
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.839
The interest on the national debt is about oh something

468
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:39.680
like what is an eight hundred and fifty eight billion

469
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:42.519
a year and increasing. It's like an out of control

470
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:47.319
credit card. So in order to pay down that national

471
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.599
credit card, if you will, you that's why they were

472
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:53.759
using that target of reductions of two trillion a year

473
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:57.759
around that if you paid it down, if you if

474
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.640
the dose team succeeds in identifying, and the US and

475
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:06.359
the Congress managed to reduce the national debt the next

476
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.680
year by say, if they were to do it by

477
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:12.839
two trillion, Okay, great, you know then that means they

478
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:16.920
have reduced they have exceeded that amount of interest, and

479
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.799
therefore the next year would have a lower interest on

480
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.680
the national debt. It would not be eight hundred and

481
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:27.079
fifty eight billion, it would be significantly lowers. That kicks

482
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.519
the whole process into reverse. If you can generate spending

483
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.720
large enough, spending cuts that are essentially one trillion a

484
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.319
year or one trillion a year or greater for the

485
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.880
next several years, you start to kick the process into reverse.

486
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.240
And you also give the tax cuts and economic growth

487
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:50.000
a chance to generate more revenue. So by doing large

488
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:54.160
spending cuts, not just not just breaking even an eight

489
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.799
hundred and fifty eight billion, you give this whole thing

490
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.960
a chance. So economic strength and so sustainability is directly

491
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.759
tied to the United States ability to support to support

492
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.319
its allies in a military sense for the long term.

493
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.960
So it's all intricately related. There None of these things

494
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.039
that the Trump is doing can be considered in a vacuum.

495
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.519
You cannot consider them as problems unrelated to other things

496
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:22.279
that he is doing.

497
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:27.000
I agree with that. I agree with that, and the

498
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.440
other thing. You know, outside of NATO, people don't understand

499
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.680
that the US and I've done plenty of shows on

500
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.359
these numbers, but the US funds literally funds and assists

501
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:41.839
two hundred countries every single year, not a small amount

502
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:46.400
that we pay out every single year. The I want

503
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.640
to circle back a bit though, because you explained the

504
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.200
EU's part, like what they could have done to help

505
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.759
avoid this war or get ahead of it through the

506
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.400
economic side of things. And also what NATO could have

507
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.519
done by putting pressures, not being directly militarily involved, but

508
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.640
trying to put pressures on on this situation to keep it,

509
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.359
you know, tame. But when we talk about Europe, the

510
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:16.960
powers of Europe, for example, the powerful nations, what could

511
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.559
they have done differently in your mind, because like France

512
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.319
when this when this was going on, let's fast forward

513
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.039
to twenty twenty two, not back through the twenty fourteen,

514
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.119
but franceca I think more like they didn't come to

515
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:29.799
the table to try and negotiate with Putin when they did,

516
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:31.720
he put them Putin put mccralan at the end of

517
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.519
one hundred foot table and just kind of like, yeah,

518
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.039
who is this guy whatever? And the only country that

519
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.519
has gone to try that, from my knowledge memory anyway,

520
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.440
is really been Turkey has been very involved through this

521
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:47.599
time period previous to Trump's administration and trying to actually

522
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.160
bring Putin to the table and negotiate and you know,

523
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:52.319
try try to find out what can be done in

524
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.440
concessions between Putin and Zelensky. I'm not sure, like, Okay,

525
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.119
what I'm trying to ask is why hasn't Europe been

526
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:03.359
more involved in trying to get a handle on this situation.

527
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.839
Seems like they didn't really jump until America said, fine,

528
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.480
we're sending attack coms over to Ukraine. We're going to

529
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.480
increase our funding and send billions of a years since

530
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.319
this has gone on, it seems like they were just

531
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.759
kind of waiting until we got involved for them to realize, oh,

532
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.119
it's time to step up. Because Germany didn't want to

533
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:22.920
do anything. They didn't want to do anything for a while,

534
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.240
France didn't want to do anything. It seemed like nobody

535
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.000
did anything to help Ukraine until America stepped in. So

536
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.680
was europe right in waiting or should they have really

537
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.599
gotten ahead of this from the outset.

538
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.519
Well, the European allies made the mistake of thinking that

539
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.319
the United States was going to carry the bulk of

540
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:47.279
the burden indefinitely and that there was no need. The

541
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.880
sense of urgency was not being was not impressed on

542
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.920
our NATO allies to really step up and says, oh, well,

543
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:55.599
we don't need to, We don't need to step up.

544
00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:00.279
You know, America's going to step up to the blatant Yeah,

545
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.359
And so there was no sense of urgency. It was

546
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:08.440
not until Trump was elected and Trump President Trump said no,

547
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.000
you guys have to do your part, because otherwise we

548
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:16.119
just may take our marvels and go home. The implication

549
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:19.240
being right, and so that that put a sense that

550
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:24.000
instilled that lit a fire under our NATO allies that yay,

551
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.720
we've we've got to take this seriously because Putin has

552
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.759
made it very clear that they are not interested. There

553
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.960
are many signals that are coming from the Russian side

554
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.839
that indicate they are not interested in compromise in this

555
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.680
in the sense that we understand it now. Until the nineties,

556
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.440
believe it or not, the Russian language did not even

557
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:51.039
have a word for compromise, because this compromise as when

558
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.759
you hear the word compromise, what do you think of

559
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.519
when we talk about making a compromise with someone, What

560
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:58.759
does that mean to you?

561
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.880
You're giving your little given up a little something that

562
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.720
you want to appease the other side in order to

563
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.720
make peace. Right, Yeah, and that's something that Russian doesn't

564
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:08.160
want to come.

565
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.039
You know, the American political system is built on compromise, right.

566
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.079
And it's also compromise in the sense of both sides.

567
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.680
You are meeting the other person halfway, you are you

568
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.480
are giving each side gains something. They don't gain everything,

569
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:27.799
but they gain something. Compromise in the American sense is

570
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:32.319
a more positive word. When the Russians they saw that

571
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:38.319
word compromise, they essentially translated it into cyrillic compromise whatever

572
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:42.079
the cyrillic letters. But when the Russians translate the word

573
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:47.880
compromise into their language, compromise to them means mutual surrender.

574
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.000
That is a negative comp That is a negative connotation,

575
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:54.079
and the Russians hate compromise.

576
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:56.799
It makes sense though, to be honest.

577
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.000
Yeah, it's a it's a fine nuance.

578
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:00.519
Yeah.

579
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.759
The Russians put the Russia. The Russians, the Russian language

580
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:08.440
and culture puts a more negative, a more negative connotation

581
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:14.159
to compromise. They hate leaders who compromise. It's it signals weakness.

582
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.280
Yeah, it's like there's no surrender in their culture. Correct,

583
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.880
there's no surrendering to surrenders.

584
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.360
Matter of fact, the Russian phrase in Russian culture that

585
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.599
is common, which we don't fully understand ourselves.

586
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:29.880
Is.

587
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:36.960
Who whom, Who rules whom? Who is superior to whom.

588
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:41.239
In the Russian culture, you are either someone superior or

589
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:46.000
you are their inferior. You are never their equal. Equality

590
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.519
is something that is a concept that doesn't even exist

591
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:51.360
in Russian culture either. The only word they have for

592
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.480
equality is being equal in the sides of that two

593
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.239
sides of a mathematical equation are equal. So when they

594
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.079
read the US con Institution and they see the words

595
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.760
all men are created equal, then the Russian, in the

596
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.679
Russian mind says that's impossible.

597
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.199
It's kind of a it's kind of a rule or

598
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:12.920
be ruled mentality.

599
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:14.400
Exactly right.

600
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:20.639
Yeah, I'm sorry, Jonathan. That leads me, That leads me

601
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:24.840
to this. Really, the implications here is if we can't

602
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:30.360
find a deal, which in Russia's mind would literally be surrendering, right,

603
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.519
surrendering something that you But if we can't find a deal,

604
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.440
Putin's actions. If you're just looking at everything he's doing

605
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.880
and what what he has actually stated. He wants to

606
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:44.920
reunite the us s R, the old USSR. He's literally

607
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.039
trying to claim those old territories. So I think the

608
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.079
fear is for for if Europe, if the European nations

609
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.199
are paying attention, and I'm sure they are, is if

610
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.360
he takes Ukraine, He's not going to stop there. He's

611
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.039
going to continue to try to gobble up the prior

612
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.840
or previous uss R territories. And I think that's part

613
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.320
of what he wants to do. And I don't think

614
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.320
people understand. Look, he's how old is he now? In

615
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.599
the seventies, late seventies?

616
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:14.159
He is, Oh, yeah, he's in his early seventies.

617
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.360
He's up there a little bit of seventies. And what

618
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.800
I mean by that is he's looking at his legacy

619
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.159
at this point, so he has nothing to lose really,

620
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.960
So this may just really be about his ego more

621
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.599
than anything.

622
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.000
And given the fact that he is a position of

623
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.320
near absolute power in Russia. We have to we have

624
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.159
to assume that uh lord lord acton once pointed out,

625
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:43.039
power corrupts and absolute power tends to corrupt. Absolutely, Yes,

626
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.159
so you might, you might enlighten, you might liken the

627
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.960
latter of Putin to someone who is in possession of

628
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.400
the one ring of power from the Lord of the rings. Yeah,

629
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.119
the ring of as you know, the ring of power,

630
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:56.760
and the lord of the rings, the ring, the one

631
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:01.199
ring of power inevitably corrupts its user. Yes, and so

632
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.320
they so you might you know, your President Trump and

633
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.840
Vladimir Putin obviously each have a ring of power.

634
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.079
So and you're right? And can I with with that

635
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.400
being said, where where do you think this is going

636
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.639
to go? With these peace talks? Will we actually have peace?

637
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.840
Will this be a prolonged war that actually leads to

638
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.320
a larger period appeer on conflict? What?

639
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.320
What do you think here? Here's you know, given my

640
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.679
study of the rush of the Russian perception of both

641
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:38.440
of US strategy and its own great power status, the

642
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.719
it is reaching a what the claud Switz called the

643
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.840
culminating point of war, culminating point of a battle. Inevitably,

644
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.679
when one side is on the offensive and you reach

645
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.400
a point where the offensive side can no longer continue

646
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.280
the attack, they can and there is an opportunity for

647
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.159
the defender to counterattack. Are right now, the Russian side

648
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:08.239
is steadily reaching that culminating point where will no longer

649
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.159
be able to continue an offensive effort against Ukraine. And

650
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:14.559
this is why it is so such a vital turning

651
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:19.480
point right now. If the NATO Allies and the United

652
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:23.719
States simply continue to supply Ukraine with an ability to resist,

653
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.000
because Zelenski is calling for larger Ukrainian military forces, if

654
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.320
they succeed, in the worst case, bringing the Russian offensive

655
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.920
to a halt so that it's no longer making visible progress,

656
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.840
or even if they managed to drive back to Russians

657
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:43.360
in certain cases, or as I've also mentioned, inflict that

658
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.440
decisive counter offensive woe against crimea which most people are

659
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.440
discounting and saying that's not possible, and I would disagree.

660
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.719
It is those things that can't ever happen that change

661
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.280
the course of world history. We thought in World War Memory,

662
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.920
in World War I two on the Western Front, we

663
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.199
were dry in December nineteen forty four. Hardly anyone except

664
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.840
for patents G two thought that the Germans were capable

665
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:12.760
of launching No one thought they were capable of launching

666
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.400
a counter offensive, but they did in the Battle of

667
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:20.480
the Bulge, and the US suffered tens of thousands of casualties.

668
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.840
It was the most devastating war, devastating battle for the

669
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.679
United States, all because they failed to anticipate that the

670
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.880
that an opponent could launch a counter offensive.

671
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.440
So do you think do you think people are or

672
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:38.280
at least Putin is underestimating Zelenski's chances here?

673
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.639
I think he is. He has shown time and again

674
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:48.360
that he has underestimated the Ukrainian both the Ukrainian will

675
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.599
and the Ukrainian ability to resist. And there have been

676
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.519
several instances throughout this conflict where the Ukrainians has surprised

677
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.880
the Russians technically and operationally. So is not to say

678
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.159
that they are there, is that that potential exists yet again.

679
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.880
And even though we may be on the verge of

680
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:13.719
a negotiating peace, any piece that that visibly rewards Russia

681
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.679
in any way for having started the war against Ukraine

682
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.360
and engaged in this conflict, that is not a piece

683
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.880
that is appeasement, yes, agreed, and simply invites more war

684
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:25.400
later on.

685
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.000
Yeah, exactly, And that's that's the that's the issue. Okay,

686
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.079
So that I kind of kicked this can down the

687
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.199
road in my mind here, but it's gonna, it's gonna

688
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.760
it's gonna lead me to asking your opinion on this. Now.

689
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:41.360
I've had others say that they don't believe this will happen.

690
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:47.239
But as as Trump's statements, everything he's making in terms

691
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.320
of his statements and and what he's saying about Zelensky

692
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.280
right now, and and how it seems like he's really

693
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.239
trying to appease Putin, And of course it just could

694
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.840
be a tactic to get him to relax and sit

695
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.440
down and talk. Could be. But where does where would

696
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.519
that leave us? Like if it gets that situation, because

697
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.480
Zolensky obviously has made it very clear he's not backing down.

698
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.599
He's not going to back down unless they're both they

699
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.679
both come to the table, and it's clear that he

700
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.480
does not want to give up any more land whatsoever.

701
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.199
In fact, I know he wants crying me up back

702
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.920
as it was originally there from from the outset, you know,

703
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.639
going back to that twenty fourteen war. But where does

704
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:26.719
that leave us? Where does it leave America if we

705
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.320
because it has been said that we may have to

706
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.480
put boots on the ground, for example, But but on

707
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.679
whose side? Like where would we be in this situation

708
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:35.760
in your mind?

709
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.440
Will and as far as putting a yes, American troops

710
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.880
in Ukraine either as a peace either as part of

711
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.880
a peacekeeping force or are you suggesting as part of

712
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.800
peacekeeping force or either or.

713
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:50.760
Yeah, what's your assessment? What do you where do you

714
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.000
think our involvement will Where do you think this will

715
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.239
lead if we absolutely do have to get involved in

716
00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.960
putting troops in the area. What do you think that means?

717
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.000
We have troops in we have troops in NATO Europe still.

718
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.639
Well, yes, we do, but it's not it's not like

719
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.159
a large like it correct unless you explain I'm sorry,

720
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:10.679
go ahead.

721
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.880
Yeah, No, it's not a significant enough contingent to affect

722
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.480
if we wanted to force a confrontation between the United

723
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.400
States and Russia, yeah, then we would put American troops

724
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:29.639
in Ukraine and that would be a situation reminiscent of

725
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.199
Believe it or not, the January nineteen ninety seven Army

726
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:38.000
after Next Winter Wargame that was a the first strategic

727
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.480
level wargame in which I was a participant on the

728
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.760
Red Team representing Russia, and it was a It was

729
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.320
designed to simulate. It was trying to test out the

730
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.280
revolution in military affairs for structure as a proof of concept,

731
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:57.519
and it was a station. The scenario was set in

732
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:02.800
a in twenty twenty with a hypethetical war conflict, and

733
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:09.320
the problem was the United States was well, excuse me,

734
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.519
the Blue player, we were willing to commit forces. We

735
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.760
had advisors in Ukraine in the wargame, and the Red

736
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:21.280
Team we saw that as an intolerable provocation. So in

737
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.960
order to do that, we were stating analyzing the situation

738
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.800
and said, if we are going to invade Ukraine and

739
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:35.280
we do not take out lose intelligence and communications satellites

740
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.119
prior to the beginning of the war, we're going to lose.

741
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.519
So the Red Team in that wargame launched a preemptive

742
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.119
strike in space to destroy using its satellites that it

743
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.960
had its counterspace weapons to destroy Blues communications and intelligence

744
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.880
satellites in the wargame. It paralyzed Blue and the wargame

745
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.920
controllers told the Red Team, well, absent intervention by the

746
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.079
wargame controllers read just won the war, and so that

747
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.199
was a devastating conclusion. We learned from that wargame that

748
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:11.119
if you put if you have counter space satellites and say,

749
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:15.440
for example, UH interceptor satellites with laser weapons in space,

750
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.800
and you have that, you have a an unstable hair

751
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.840
trigger situation in Earth orbital space, almost like a Mexican

752
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.280
standoff in Earth orbit. So from that's from that standpoint,

753
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.400
if you're looking at the United States intervening in Ukraine,

754
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.400
are putting troops there, that would provide an almost intolerable

755
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:43.079
provocation for Russia. So right now it.

756
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.239
Would, yeah, but real quickly. So if yeah, that would

757
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.480
that also hinges. That also hinges on these negotiations or

758
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:56.199
talks being successful, because if if Putin doesn't want to

759
00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.320
back down Ukraine, Zelensky doesn't want to back down, and

760
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.199
Trump says, fine, We're going to send a peacekeeping force.

761
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.760
That peace keeping element is entirely hinged on Putin still

762
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.480
respecting the US as a force to be reckoned with.

763
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.400
And if we lose that respect, are we truly going

764
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:17.239
to be a peacekeeping force at that point?

765
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.320
Yeah, that's going to be a very not a problem

766
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.159
for the for the United States and it's NATO allies

767
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.079
because in order to uh you hit Putin has made

768
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.639
it very clear, and the Russian leadership itselves made it

769
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:36.159
clear they are not interested in peace, and they want

770
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.559
the whole of Ukraine. They want all of Ukraine. Right,

771
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.719
And once the United State, once it becomes clear to

772
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.519
the US political leadership that Russia genuinely is not interested

773
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.119
in peace but in effect our de facto surrender in

774
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.440
this war, then there's going to be a crucial test

775
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:59.880
for the Trump administration. They will be compelled.

776
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:01.000
Uh.

777
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.239
Trump has has said, had said to Putin previously, we

778
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.360
can do this the easy way, or we can do

779
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.920
this the hard way. And and given give him credit,

780
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.639
give him President Trump credit. He will recognize, however, reluctantly,

781
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.000
that as much as he wanted to be seen as

782
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.800
the peacemaker, as the deal maker, and for his legacy,

783
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.199
he may have to earn his legacy the.

784
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:30.239
Hard way, and that could be bad for all of us. Yes,

785
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:31.440
to go that direction, for sure.

786
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.000
So as more as Mark Twain went, as Mark Twain

787
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.000
once said, history doesn't repeat itself, it does rhyme.

788
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:44.400
Though. Wow, well so this is so, let's let's go

789
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:48.840
to what you were saying earlier about the capabilities for example,

790
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:54.840
and and it's kind of leads leads I'm sorry, Leans, yeah, Leans,

791
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:59.159
towards the US's capabilities at the moment, because when it

792
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.480
when you're talking about satellites, lasers, I mean, that goes

793
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:03.039
all the way back to the star Wars program that

794
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:07.039
was launched, you know, years back exactly. And why don't

795
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.199
you explain that element and what that can do for

796
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.639
not just our security of course, you know, as Trump

797
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.079
has mentioned the Iron Dome for America, just as we've

798
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:20.480
done for Israel. But how does how is that going

799
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.039
to come into play here? If we have to go

800
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:25.719
that direction as a deterrent.

801
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.760
Now, this is a fact. This is a fact going

802
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.440
to be This is going to lead some fascinating ideas

803
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.599
and potential. Okay, so let's step through this. When President

804
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.920
Reagan first declared the Strategic Defense Initiative back in nineteen

805
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.079
eighty three, and that was when I had come out

806
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.000
with my first book, The Soviet Yew of US Strategic Doctrine,

807
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:49.039
in which I had also recommended space based defense as

808
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.960
an element. Now, the interesting thing is is that when

809
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:56.880
the Soviets saw the declaration, of Strategic Defense initiative. This

810
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:02.280
terrified them, Yeah, absolutely terrified them. As a matter of fact,

811
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.639
if you take a look at the book Inside the

812
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:10.039
KGB by Christopher Andrew and Oleg Gordievsky. In that book,

813
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:16.559
the Gordievsky talked about a KGB report that went to

814
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.960
President that went to Gorbachev in April nineteen eighty five

815
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:24.960
discussing the US Star Wars program. In that report, the

816
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.400
KGB concluded that the USSDI program would eventually be able

817
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.159
to block of Soviet missiles in a first strike, and

818
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.039
that there was no way the Soviet Union could keep

819
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.599
up with this capability. Now, I told my students, any

820
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:43.880
of you out there who believed that the SDI program

821
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:46.639
could walk ninety percent of Soviet missiles in a first strike,

822
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:50.559
please raise your hand. The point is it didn't matter.

823
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:55.239
The Russians believed it, they acted, They acted on that belief,

824
00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.079
and they spent themselves into bankruptcy. If really trying to

825
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.920
counter a phantom SDI program, which in reality was really

826
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.960
a research and development program. The Soviets were so terrified

827
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.559
they even they saw the Patriot system. When I was

828
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.960
a Brigade S two in Germany, my brigade commander, because

829
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:17.599
I was a brigade S two of a Hawk and

830
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.320
Patriot brigade the first one deployed in Europe. And my

831
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:26.360
brigade commander said, hey, Captain Lockwood, you are you read

832
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.280
those Russian military journals. Take a look at them and

833
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.800
see if the Russians are saying anything about Patriot.

834
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:32.639
Well.

835
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:37.880
I looked at the had the issue of Vistnik Protasi Oberoni,

836
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:41.360
which is herald of anti aircraft defense in that are.

837
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.599
In that journal there was an article on US medium

838
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.840
to high altitude air defense systems and the last third

839
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.400
of the article talked about Patriot. So I'm busily translating it,

840
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.519
and then all of a sudden, I see the A

841
00:49:53.719 --> 00:50:00.679
the Russian acronym for per oltoi Oberoni antime missile defense,

842
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:06.039
and the author was crediting Patriot with an anti ballistic

843
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.639
missile capability. Now this is really wild, considering the fact

844
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.440
that the Patriots system had not yet demonstrated that it

845
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.400
could intercept ballistic missiles.

846
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:17.880
Okay, so all right.

847
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.599
They've been terrified of Patriots since nineteen the nineteen eighties

848
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:21.239
is my point.

849
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:28.239
No, No, and also makes you almost confirms the syop

850
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.519
capabilities of the US and how effective it is.

851
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.239
Oh, yes, it was. As a matter of fact, the

852
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:39.920
US reinforced the Russian fear of patriot when in September

853
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.400
nineteen eighty seven a US patriot successfully intercepted a US

854
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.840
Lance ballistic missile and demonstrated that it could work and

855
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.679
raytheon continued to refine the capabilities of Patriot until it

856
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.960
was able to successfully intercept studs in the nineteen ninety

857
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.960
one Persian Gulf War. It kept on refining ever since

858
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:07.119
until now when they send patriots. To send patriots to

859
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.280
to Ukraine, the Ukrainians promptly adopted them and made them

860
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.840
work even more effectively near one interception rate. So this

861
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.039
shows the full potential of patriot and reinforces the Russian

862
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.880
fear of US technology. The one thing that is the

863
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.920
major thing conclusion that I have reached from my research

864
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.239
and analysis of the Russian perception is that the one

865
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:32.559
thing that the Russians fear more than the Russian military

866
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.760
and political leadership, what they fear more than anything else,

867
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:41.039
is the potential of American technology to neutralize the one

868
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:43.400
thing that makes the Russians a great power in their

869
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:47.800
own perception, their nuclear missile arsenal, And therein lies the

870
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:53.400
key what President Trump in his administration by declaring they

871
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:57.079
intend to produce an iron dome defense over the United States,

872
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:03.400
they are essentially repudiating the previous Biden administration's strategy, which

873
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:06.840
was essentially to be prepared to fight a nuclear war

874
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:11.760
with three nuclear armed adversaries and expand their own nuclear

875
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.559
arsenal to do this, relying on the concept of mutually

876
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:21.559
assured destruction mad. If the Trump administration should be reputating

877
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:26.400
anything from the previous Biden administration, that should be right

878
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:29.199
at the top of the list, and apparently they are

879
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:33.199
implicitly doing this by declaring an intent to create an

880
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:37.599
so called iron dome over America. This presents an impetus,

881
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.320
presents an interesting problem. Remember the lesson from the Army

882
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.880
after Next Winter War game. If you put satellites in

883
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.440
space where the other side has counterspace weapons, you produce

884
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.920
an unstable hair trigger situation in your Thoroberttal space, a

885
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.480
Mexican standoff where the side that fires first has a

886
00:52:55.519 --> 00:53:00.840
decisive advantage. Now, how do you get around this problem? Well, Congress,

887
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.559
in its Iron Dome Bill has allocated nine hundred million

888
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:09.320
dollars for studying space based interceptors. That's an implicit recognition

889
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:12.360
that there is a hole in the Iron dome, you know,

890
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.920
because you can Israel only has to worry about short

891
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.840
range and intermediate range ballistic missiles, right, We've got to

892
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.119
worry about the intercontinental ballistic missiles that can come through

893
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:23.599
that hole in the Iron dome.

894
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:27.719
Right, and can't really interest that and potential hypersonic missile technology.

895
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.719
Exactly the way you deal with the only effective way

896
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.880
really to deal with both hypersonic and intercontinentalistic missile systems,

897
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.920
and it's correct, is using space based interceptors. But in

898
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:43.159
what form? You can't really do it with satellites because

899
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:46.000
that's too unstable because it gives it the other side

900
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.639
a very huge incentive to fire first. But how do

901
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.280
you do that? Well? You what you do? You create

902
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.280
what I had advocated back in nineteen ninety three. You

903
00:53:56.360 --> 00:54:01.920
create something called the Worldwide Strategic Defense Matrix w s

904
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.079
d M wisdom. This is both a symbolic and a

905
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.960
real paradigm shift. Would be a real paradigm shift. And

906
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:12.519
we are and I am the only one in the

907
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:16.400
world discussing this because I I've searched for it, and

908
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:19.719
when I first talked about it in my nineteen ninety

909
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.880
three book, no one else is talking about this, but

910
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.239
in order to go ahead.

911
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.920
I'm sorry. I like your idea and it's it's something

912
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.840
that was brought up before, but I think it was

913
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.159
more of a sy op previously with the Star Wars program,

914
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.280
I think there was nothing ever really proven or tested.

915
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.760
It was just it was just really just propagana, I think.

916
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.719
But it worked in our behalf. But fast fast forward.

917
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.079
You can't deny the technology. You can't deny that laser

918
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.039
technology has come a very long way, and that is

919
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.320
a very plausible possible. It's very possible these days that

920
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.000
that could absolutely work.

921
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.880
Well, he works even better when you consider the following. Now, well,

922
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.519
if you put if you're going to have space based interceptors,

923
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.199
you don't put them on satellites. What you do is

924
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.760
the key. Here's the key, and this is something that

925
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.760
I discussed that no one else does. The key to

926
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:16.079
making the Iron Dome in effect the worldwide strategic defense

927
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.639
matrix even more effective than an Iron Dome is you

928
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:25.639
upgrade the US Space Force with a space fleet manned

929
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.880
by Space Force guardians, where do we get the space

930
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:34.039
fleet from you buy it from SpaceX. You Pentagon effectively

931
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:38.679
says to the to the UH to mister Musk says elon,

932
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.119
Pentagon would like to buy twelve of your Falcon nines,

933
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.079
twelve of your Falcon heavies, and twelve of your starships,

934
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.639
and the Pentagon can then add to for the space

935
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:53.639
force add the appropriate weapons, equipment and crew, specifically lasers

936
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.360
that would be mounted that would be mounted on these

937
00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:00.880
starships in lower orbit. Once they are in low Earth orbit,

938
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.320
now you have effective interceptors against any ballistic missile attack

939
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:09.119
by Russia, China or North Korea, because at the speed

940
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.239
of light, there's no way a nuclear missile in its

941
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:16.000
boost phase coming up from the ground can evade a

942
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:20.559
laser attack, so that effectively blocks. That is the key

943
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.599
and the interesting thing is, okay, what the answer? Well,

944
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.920
what if the Russian and Chinese counterspace weapons, these counter

945
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.840
space satellites, what if they fire on a space war starship? Well,

946
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:35.440
guess what if you if it were satellite versus satellite.

947
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.400
No one cares much because satellites don't have mothers. But

948
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.119
if if a counter Russian or Chinese counter space satellite

949
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.440
were to fire on a US Space Force starship armed

950
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.360
with laser weapons. That is a clear and unmistakable active

951
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.159
war and the in self defense, the starship could simply

952
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.679
destroy the satellite. Now what that that is a very

953
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.800
powerful counter deterrant to add to any preemptive action in

954
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:08.440
space and would and by neutralizing the nuclear arsenals of Russia,

955
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:14.400
China and North Korea simultaneously, this provides a very stable

956
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:19.039
deterrent for countering any future Russian invasion of Ukraine. Because

957
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.840
if we have an effective strategic defense against nuclear missiles

958
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:29.159
and the other side does not game over, you can

959
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.719
preserve the piece indefinitely. That is an idea that I am.

960
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.480
And yet and here here's the other. Here's the other

961
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:40.079
wonderful thing about it. The people might say, well, what

962
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.519
if Russia China and oh, let's say Russia China, what

963
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:48.079
if they start developing strategic defenses against ballistic missile attack?

964
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:53.360
And I would say to them, knock yourselves out, go

965
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.840
ahead and build it, because they will be forced to

966
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.440
build defense. You will either be forced to build defenses

967
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.000
to keep themselves from the vulnerable to US and NATO

968
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.440
nuclear missiles, or they're all going to have to start

969
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.760
channeling mister Rogers and learning how to be good neighbors.

970
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.800
Right, I think the only the only nation that would

971
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:14.519
be able to keep up with this currently in the

972
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.039
race for laser technologies would be China, and I could

973
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.719
see China definitely doing that. But I have to ask

974
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.159
the question, like, I like the theory and the idea

975
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.079
of this because it makes a lot of sense and

976
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:29.800
it makes me think to the helios, Right, a laser

977
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.039
weapon that has been used on naval ships lately. Now

978
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.880
they've tested it, it does work. The only problem they

979
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.039
have is it doesn't recharge or the power source at

980
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:41.440
the moment doesn't charge quick enough for repeated use for example,

981
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.480
or at least rapid fire use, and it does have

982
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.960
a limited range currently. It's like, let me see, I

983
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.159
think I looked this up. Let me okay, at the

984
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.320
it's what three hundred kill at laser? So how how

985
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.400
would we be able to develop that? Or do you

986
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.719
think we're close to developing something that could be put

987
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.519
on a ship for example, that would be effective and

988
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.400
be a rapid fire use weapon.

989
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.079
Well, here's the other lovely thing about putting such a

990
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.760
laser weapon in Earth orbit. If you are firing from space,

991
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.480
a laser is not obstructed by the atmosphere. Sure, because

992
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.639
it's firing, it's firing down. It's much more. The lasers

993
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.360
are much more effective in space than what they would

994
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.079
be if they're firing from the ground, because they would

995
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:28.280
be they won't be dispersed by the Earth's atmosphere. And

996
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.760
if you have several starships equally spaced apart in lower

997
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.800
Earth orbit, what it does is it creates a ring

998
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:40.559
of interlocking shields around your adversaries so that they have

999
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.119
you will have continuous coverage of their ballistic muscle launches.

1000
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:49.360
And it prevents overhauling of the system. So this is

1001
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.119
and how do you fund such a system? Well, here's

1002
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.280
another beautiful thing about it. If you are going to

1003
00:59:55.320 --> 01:00:00.400
focus on defense, on neutralizing the other sides nuclear arsenals, fully,

1004
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:06.000
you don't build, You don't spend another dime on nuclear weapons.

1005
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:09.400
You do not build additional nuclear weapons, you do not

1006
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.039
try to build improved system nuclear systems. All you do

1007
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:17.320
is you focus on pure defense and neutralizing their systems.

1008
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.280
And the motto I use for wisdom WSDM wisdom does

1009
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:26.000
not kill. It is a purely defensive system which does

1010
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.480
not threaten the existence of Russia, China or North Korea.

1011
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.360
It threatens their power, it threatens their ability to intimidate,

1012
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.960
and that is what they fear more than anything else,

1013
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.719
because if they lose their nuclear if their nuclear arsenals

1014
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:46.440
become are rendered obsolete and impotent, they lose their great

1015
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.239
power status in their own perception.

1016
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:52.480
If so, if the US, if our Defense Department was

1017
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.880
to take this idea serious, I think from the outset,

1018
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.280
we would have the advantage because, as you brought up,

1019
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:03.800
Elon Musk currently have uh the richest individuals in the

1020
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:07.079
world in America that have already proven that they can

1021
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:11.960
privatize space crafts and space travel. And because they're not

1022
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:16.599
beholden to government oversight necessarily and funding, they've been able

1023
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.960
to really push the boundaries and show how effective they

1024
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.599
can be when they're not restricted. And so if we had,

1025
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:29.719
for example, him and Bezos together behind this, and the

1026
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.679
US was able to tap them both, oh yeah, that

1027
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:33.679
was very interesting.

1028
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.679
Oh yeah. As a matter of fact, you're you're you

1029
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.000
and I are are saint. You're on the same track here.

1030
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.000
Because let's let's say for example, that that Hesth Benegon's

1031
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:47.159
issues this contract now he has. He has a couple

1032
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:50.559
of options here. He could issue the contract as a

1033
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.519
sole source contract, in other words, say there's only one

1034
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.679
company that could really do this, and that SpaceX. Or

1035
01:01:56.719 --> 01:02:01.000
he could make it a competitive contract in which SpaceX

1036
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:05.400
could become the prime contractor, and then Elon Musk could

1037
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:10.880
chap his billionaire bodies who have space capabilities as subcontractors

1038
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.480
and expand the power and ability to produce the Space

1039
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:18.239
Force fleet once. Here's the other. Here's the other interesting

1040
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:21.559
bonus and incentive for the Space Force having a fleet

1041
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:26.760
other than satisfying all the happy star Trek fans out there, Well,

1042
01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:30.079
we have star fleet command in the for twenty first century.

1043
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:34.400
How about that life imitates art, so we have here.

1044
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:38.960
But when you have a space force fleet with starshift,

1045
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.679
even if they're only chemically powered at first, there is

1046
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.039
promise for having them having nuclear theorough vulsion, which gives

1047
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:47.559
you even more options. But when you have a space

1048
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.400
force fleet in low Earth orbit and one in geosynchronous orbit,

1049
01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.360
as well as space starships that can form a lunar

1050
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:59.880
base or doing other things, you gain several bonus capable

1051
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.639
which are not fully realized. A space force fleet in

1052
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:08.440
orbit can also This sounds mundane, but they can clean

1053
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:12.280
up space junk. They can those while they're while they're

1054
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.119
on station, they're they're while they're monitoring and doing other things.

1055
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:18.800
They can clean up space junk and they can make

1056
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:22.679
They can take turns shuttling that space junk to the

1057
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.760
lunar base to form a lunar junk yard to process

1058
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:30.639
all that lunars, all that stuff and get it starting

1059
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.519
a front. Those lunar caves they're talking about, you could

1060
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:37.000
establish a storage place for them there. So cleaning up

1061
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:41.840
space junk is one useful function. Also, that space Force fleet,

1062
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.440
armed with lasers and other supplementary equipment, could also have

1063
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.800
assigned the mission of blocking, intercepting, or destroying near Earth

1064
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.800
objects such as asteroids, meteors, or comets. You know that

1065
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:59.000
asteroid they're talking about that, Oh, it might collide with

1066
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:01.480
the Earth in two thousand thirty two. Well, if you've

1067
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.400
got a space Force weight, now you've got to answer.

1068
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:07.840
That was the original concern when it came to space

1069
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:13.239
based laser systems originally, was was it tearing that possibility

1070
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.159
of an asteroid colliding with the Earth. So with everything,

1071
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:22.280
everything that you're proposing, which some people may Okay, years ago,

1072
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.599
people say, oh, that's an outlantish idea, But you know,

1073
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.119
twenty twenty five, it really doesn't seem that far.

1074
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:32.880
It's not that the technology has advanced. Technology has advanced

1075
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.360
to the point where it is now quite thinkable.

1076
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:39.840
But what do we so? What what about now? Given

1077
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.400
the situation we're in, it seems like the idea of

1078
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:47.280
an iron dome over America is long overdue, given the

1079
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:51.119
threat potentials, especially how they have escalated over the last

1080
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:56.360
twelve years for example, So what technologies can they deploy now? Like,

1081
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:58.800
what is what is available now that can quickly be

1082
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.079
deployed to be effective? We can.

1083
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:06.119
We can deploy now all the things that we can

1084
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.760
increase the production of FAD. We can increase the production

1085
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.960
of Patriot, we can increase all of our ballistic missile

1086
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.760
defense interceptors that are capable of intercepting. It still leaves

1087
01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:19.559
a hole in the iron dome in the sense of

1088
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.480
the then that and that is why I propose the

1089
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:27.400
development the upgrading of the key to plugging the hole

1090
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.199
in the iron dome is to upgrade the space for

1091
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:33.519
wars with a space fleet. Right, I'll tell you that's

1092
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:34.840
the quickest way you could do it.

1093
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.199
And so we do need to get there. But we

1094
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.920
should absolutely stop putting off the deployment of what technologists

1095
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.360
we have now to at least create some don't right, correct?

1096
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.679
A partial shield is better than no shield at all.

1097
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.880
Yeah. Should this be something that should be a joint coalition,

1098
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.480
not just for America but for North like for Mexico

1099
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:54.519
and Canada as well, since I mean, they're right on

1100
01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:56.480
our borders and they would definitely be affected by any

1101
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:57.159
kind of attack.

1102
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.400
Well, here's here's the again. The beautiful thing about wisdom

1103
01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:05.320
is that when you upgrade the space force, you create

1104
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:10.480
the potential for cooperation and alliance with our allies. Let's

1105
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.079
say our NATO allies we start producing this space fleet

1106
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.760
and our NATO allies say, hey, is there any way

1107
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.039
we can benefit from this? Well, you can say to

1108
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.280
our NATO allies, well, if you want to buy a starship, right,

1109
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:25.760
you want to buy a starship from SpaceX, and they

1110
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.239
will help you equip it, and they have their they

1111
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.400
it becomes a symbol of national pride and power instead

1112
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.400
of nuclear weapons. Each nation that wants to be considered

1113
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:39.679
significant would have its own starship which they could they

1114
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:41.719
could have crews on it. Now, by the way, how

1115
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:44.840
many crew? How many? How many crew would you need

1116
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.920
to crew a starship for the purposes of a space

1117
01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.360
force mission. Well, you don't put one hundred on there,

1118
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:53.559
because Elon Musk is diabot sending one hundred to it

1119
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.960
to colonize Mars. People who have analyzed the starship sitting,

1120
01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.679
a more realistic number for a starship for our starship

1121
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:05.119
crew is ten. Now that's workable. You would need ten

1122
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.519
to perform all the functions as well as operate the

1123
01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:13.639
nuclear laser than the laser interceptor. So ten is realistic.

1124
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:17.239
And we could even in the US space wars itself,

1125
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:21.039
we could invite our NATO allies to provide crew for

1126
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:24.000
our space war starships to help provide crew.

1127
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.760
So this could this could potentially be an effective affordable

1128
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:36.840
arm or or leg of the Department of Defense. And yeah,

1129
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.800
so then, but what will end up happening is exactly

1130
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:42.360
what's happening now. Instead of a nuclear arms race, we'll

1131
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.639
have a laser arms race, and then we'll be back

1132
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.159
in the situation of the Terrence, just based on who

1133
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.800
has the more effective laser defense system.

1134
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:54.159
Well, here here's the here's the interesting here's the interesting

1135
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:58.719
difference about that. In an offensive arms race in which

1136
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:03.280
there's no there'sically no limit, there is no there is

1137
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:04.159
no finish line.

1138
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:04.480
No.

1139
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.719
In a defensive arms race, where both sides are developing

1140
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:12.239
defenses against nuclear attack, there is a finish line. When

1141
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:16.800
both sides have fully operational defensive shields. Essentially you're like

1142
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:22.760
two gladiators with full length body armor. It's a stalemate. Fine,

1143
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:25.680
that's more acceptable than mutually assured destruction.

1144
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:31.239
No, absolutely, Yeah, And technology is technology is advancing words.

1145
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:33.119
I mean, we're dealing with drones. We've never seen it

1146
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:35.920
to the level we have before, to where now it's

1147
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:38.159
not just about you know, singular drones going out and

1148
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:42.079
shooting missiles from afar. They can be used as a

1149
01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:46.640
kind of a swarm attack. Now where they're.

1150
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:49.319
It almost looks like something out of Terminator.

1151
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:52.079
I was just going to say that, Yeah, a robot,

1152
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:53.399
a robot.

1153
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:56.039
Army going against the flesh and blood army. Yeah, that's

1154
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:59.359
a nightmare. That's a nightmare for the Russians. There's no Ukrainians.

1155
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:02.359
For where are the Ukrainians we can kill? They aren't there.

1156
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:05.119
They're using robots. They're back there with their little joysticks

1157
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:07.199
sending the drones to attack you.

1158
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.960
Well, so we so we definitely need to do something

1159
01:09:10.960 --> 01:09:13.760
in terms of an iron dome. I I think you're

1160
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:19.560
right on with developing space based capabilities for defense and deterrence.

1161
01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:23.199
Hey, I could I could save Congress nine hundred million

1162
01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:26.720
dollars about off that interceptor studies say, guys, I've got

1163
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.159
your answer. Now, it's concentrate. Let's concentrate on upgrading the

1164
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:31.079
space force.

1165
01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:35.800
Right what what so that that's still a little ways out,

1166
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.479
I think, but I think it would be an effective solution.

1167
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.199
What let's let's get let's circle back to where we're gonna.

1168
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.199
We've been doing this for a little bit, so I

1169
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:46.600
want to I want to kind of bring it back

1170
01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:50.560
to this Ukraine Russia situation, because yes, the iron the

1171
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:53.520
iron dome proposal would work, not just for America, would

1172
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.479
also work as a as an amazing deterrent and in

1173
01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.760
this Russia Ukraine war as well, because you can target

1174
01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:04.760
the systems wherever need be. Especially the way you're you're

1175
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:07.960
describing it, like how you would deploy it, it would

1176
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.479
be very agile in that respect. It could turn into

1177
01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:12.960
an offensive weapon if we wanted it to.

1178
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.119
But yes, as a matter of fact, if the if

1179
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:20.840
we had an effective shield, the beautiful Again, the beautiful

1180
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:24.079
thing about introducing a ballistic missile defense system, especially one

1181
01:10:24.159 --> 01:10:29.840
like Wisdom, is that it puts a It introduces a

1182
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:33.279
great deal of uncertainty into the mind of a potential attacker.

1183
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:38.119
If the Russians were to contemplate attacking the Wisdom system,

1184
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:41.560
they would they would not know how many of their

1185
01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:44.520
missiles would actually get through the system. They do not

1186
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.840
know which ones will get through. However, they do know

1187
01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.399
that if their attack failed to destroy the integrity of

1188
01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:55.079
the Wisdom system and left our nuclear forces largely able

1189
01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:58.640
to counterattack, they would be faced with a massive nuclear

1190
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:03.880
counterattack from and the US. And yeah, once you do that,

1191
01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:08.039
you introduce defense. Introduces more uncertainty. And even if they

1192
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.479
started building defenses themselves, that means they have to divert

1193
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:15.880
resources from attacking to defense, and that is also beneficial.

1194
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:19.600
So even so, even with with how delicate the situation

1195
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:22.479
is now, and for example, if we did have to

1196
01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:27.079
have a peace keeping force, do you do you think

1197
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:31.520
that maybe do you think maybe that if if if

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01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.399
Putin felt that he was being respected from the outset

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01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:36.760
that a lot of this would have been able to

1200
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:41.760
be would have been able to come to a piece

1201
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.399
deal a long time ago.

1202
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:49.680
Hmm. Well here here's why I think that that is problematic. Uh.

1203
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:52.399
One book that I would recommend for you to read

1204
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:56.239
and uh introduce to your listeners is the book why

1205
01:11:56.319 --> 01:12:02.239
Tim Marshall Prisoners of Geography. And it tends because it

1206
01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:06.920
tends simple maths which explain world politics and geopolitics. Wonderful book.

1207
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.680
I would recommend that book not only for every American

1208
01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:12.640
but for every high school student in middle school student

1209
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:17.840
because it's very readable. What makes geopolitics and geography readily

1210
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:21.560
understandable and important and the pro and the thing is

1211
01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:29.079
with the uh. The problem with Prisoner's you have to

1212
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:32.720
be able to uh. Oh lost my train of thought there.

1213
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:36.399
Momentarily I was going off with the prisonership geography thing.

1214
01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:38.600
But the problem is you have to be able to

1215
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:40.840
understand the importance of geography.

1216
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:41.000
Oh.

1217
01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:45.039
Yes. The problem with the Russian is the Russian perception

1218
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:50.359
of security. The Russians have a word yasopastos to describe

1219
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:56.680
security jaeso means without danger. Their concept of security is

1220
01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:02.560
more absolute than ours concept of security. We what they

1221
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:05.159
they are talking about when they talk about visa posnos

1222
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.520
without danger, they are talking about the absence of threat,

1223
01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.680
and so they in order for them to feel insecure,

1224
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:17.600
in order for them to feel secure, their neighbors must

1225
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:22.520
be made to feel insecure or subordinate. It's an extension

1226
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:28.760
of the Russian cultural attitude of tokovo superior inferior, not equality.

1227
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.199
Right, I see, I see the point there, and you

1228
01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:33.680
kind of touched on it earlier. But this is just

1229
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:37.840
my take and and it's it's been very well documented

1230
01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:42.079
during Putin's time of existence as a leader or the

1231
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:47.279
leader of Russia, and he seems like just literally an

1232
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:51.159
alpha male type who just needs to be acknowledged, needs

1233
01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:55.560
to be respected, And I think he felt slighted. Now

1234
01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.760
I'm not I'm not advocating for him being correct in

1235
01:13:58.760 --> 01:14:02.239
invading Ukraine in any way. I'm just saying that he

1236
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.560
did seem like he felt slighted by being ignored and

1237
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:10.640
isolated and everything, because he was Obviously, he's a world power,

1238
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:13.760
no matter how we wanted, how much we wanted to

1239
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.479
diminish or most people doing to diminish Russia as a

1240
01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:19.800
world power. They are And when all of this was

1241
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.680
going on. The powers that be, the biggest currently in

1242
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.479
the world, which is still the United States of America,

1243
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.800
wanted to isolate him and just kind of just pigeonhole

1244
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.880
him from acknowledgment or even trying to have any kind

1245
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:37.119
of talks whatsoever in how to alleviate this. No matter

1246
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:41.439
how wrong Russia was, I still feel that the Biden

1247
01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:45.880
administration's tactics didn't help in the situation. And here we

1248
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.000
are now, and now we have Trump making outlandish statements

1249
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:52.119
to try to get people to the table, and it's

1250
01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.640
we're just everything just seems very unstable right now, and

1251
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:58.319
I'm not really able to see that we're going to

1252
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.560
actually come to an agreement because, as you said earlier,

1253
01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:06.239
Russia will not surrender. They don't, it's not in their vocabulary.

1254
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.760
They don't see that. They don't they don't see compromise.

1255
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:13.199
And Zelensky is adamant on not compromising either. And so

1256
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.359
I'm not sure there's an answer that I'm not asking

1257
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:17.039
for answer. By the way, you know this, we're being

1258
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:18.039
theoretical at this point.

1259
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:20.039
I'll get, i'll get, I'll give you, I'll give you one.

1260
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:24.560
Which here's the the essential problem again, which the Trump

1261
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:28.199
administration has to address is the fact that during the

1262
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:32.640
Cold War, the United States and its NATO allies had

1263
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:37.880
a grand strategy which governed the actions and allowed the

1264
01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:40.920
United States and its allies to consistently deal with the

1265
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:43.399
Soviet Union during the entire period of the Cold War.

1266
01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:49.560
That was the Grand Strategy of Containment, which was originally it,

1267
01:15:51.079 --> 01:15:56.119
but George Kennan elucidated that strategy in the nineteen forty

1268
01:15:56.159 --> 01:16:03.800
seven issue of Foreign Affairs. Containment was a strategic defensive

1269
01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:07.239
designed to not try to roll back the Soviet Union,

1270
01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.840
but to prevent it from achieving through subversion or conquest.

1271
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:14.760
Just a defensive strategy to contain them, not go to

1272
01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:18.880
war against them, but is sented to rely on the

1273
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:24.079
internal contradictions that Kennon argued were consistent within the Soviet

1274
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:27.760
system until the essentially contained them long enough, and the

1275
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:31.000
Soviet Union will buckle under the stresses of its own

1276
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:36.920
internal contradictions. History proved Kennon right, because starting in nineteen

1277
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:42.119
eighty five, the Soviet Union was starting to show the

1278
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:47.800
problems of its political instability and even the failure of

1279
01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:51.479
its economic system. So eventually the Soviet Union collapsed of

1280
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:54.800
its own dead weight by nineteen eighty nine and the

1281
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:59.119
republics and the Warsaw Pact dissolved. And here NATO is

1282
01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:02.720
confronted with a essentially a power vacuum, and the Eastern

1283
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:07.600
European nations wanted to join NATO, so NATO gladly accepted.

1284
01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:12.159
And while while Putin usk Is seen this as a

1285
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:15.359
great disaster, well, it was a disaster of the Soviet

1286
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:18.600
Union zone making. And so he really does not have

1287
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.319
a leg to stand on claiming that it's going to

1288
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:26.640
contribute to a world peace and political stability for Russia

1289
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.800
to rebuild its own empire, that they have shown that

1290
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:34.319
their ambitions are essentially unlimited, and that is just simply

1291
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:37.039
going to bring on more warfare. How do you stop that?

1292
01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:41.199
You have to stop. You have to is disagreeable, it

1293
01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:44.000
may sound to some people. You have to neutralize the

1294
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:46.720
thing that makes them think they're a great power. You

1295
01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:51.359
have to make make them channel mister rogers, make them

1296
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:54.399
learn the hard way how to be good neighbors. And

1297
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.760
it may take a while, but it's better than going

1298
01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:57.640
to all out war.

1299
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:05.359
Okay, I I can absolutely swallow that for sure, because

1300
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.920
it seems like it may be the only effective measure

1301
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:14.239
against such a powerful military. I mean, it is a

1302
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:15.720
big military, regardless.

1303
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:15.840
Of it is.

1304
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:18.840
And we don't we don't want to have a world conflict.

1305
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:20.720
I don't know just in anyone's interest.

1306
01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:23.960
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.

1307
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.159
Asked what want into World War two? Should have told us.

1308
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:29.840
That, yeah, what what led us from getting away from

1309
01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:33.800
this containment strategy? Though? Because it seems, ah.

1310
01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.880
Well can take well. Remember when the Soviet Union collapsed,

1311
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:38.279
there was no there was no opponent to contain anymore.

1312
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.119
No understood, I I I get that. But but we

1313
01:18:41.159 --> 01:18:43.520
obviously got away from that strategy because Putin has been

1314
01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:48.199
very effective for so many years. And yes, and it's

1315
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.439
we may have gotten away from it. Europe may have

1316
01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:51.319
gotten away from it.

1317
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.960
We forgot that, We forgot a crucial lesson of history.

1318
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.079
Henry Kissinger. Yeah. In the in the preface to my

1319
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:01.000
book The Russian View, Yes Strategy out what history Henry

1320
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.640
Kissinger was predicting at the end of the Cold War.

1321
01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:09.279
Even though Russia seems to be prostrate right now, he

1322
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:14.000
says Russia will eventually begin to reassert itself. Henry Kissinger

1323
01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:18.600
correctly predicted this that Russia would inevitably begin to reassert

1324
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:22.239
itself once it is economically recovered, and it will become

1325
01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:26.680
an assertive power once again. So the interesting thing that

1326
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:29.439
we failed to what we failed in doing, is we

1327
01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:34.199
failed to develop a grand strategy for the post Cold

1328
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:37.319
War period. We fail. Okay, how do we deal with

1329
01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:42.359
a resurgent Russia, a competitive China. Do we develop a

1330
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:48.159
new neo containment strategy? Or what I propose in proposed

1331
01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:52.199
in my book. The Russian view is that the US

1332
01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:59.119
should become the world's geopolitical balancer. Mckinder once had this

1333
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:04.560
in his of whoever dominates the world island dominates the world. Well,

1334
01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:09.439
Great Britain acted as a geopolitical balancer with respect to

1335
01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:13.399
the continent of Europe during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.

1336
01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:17.279
They balanced the pathway. Yeah, yep, the old British Empire

1337
01:20:17.319 --> 01:20:21.359
acted as a geopolitical balancer. So now the United States,

1338
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:25.399
in an analogous situation, should act as the world's geopolitical

1339
01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:29.119
balancer in the twenty first century and use its power

1340
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:34.239
not to control necessarily or project its power all over

1341
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:36.840
the world, but to be able to use it judiciously

1342
01:20:37.479 --> 01:20:43.159
to frustrate or negate any potential aggressive empire builder from

1343
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:47.039
attempting to dominate the world island. It's you're basically trying

1344
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:49.600
to force a stalemate, an indefinite stalemate.

1345
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:53.119
Yeah, I agree with I agree with your statements there

1346
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:56.680
with throw the statue though, but sure of one of

1347
01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.439
the greatest ways to control a nation is economically, because

1348
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:03.640
it's exactly how we've been keeping North Korea and Check

1349
01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:08.560
all this time. Okay, and and so when it came

1350
01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:13.039
to Russia though, we never fully went down that pathway.

1351
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:18.840
You know, they supply Europe with so much energy. Now

1352
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:23.479
what happened with this Ukraine conflict. Finally, finally they got

1353
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:25.239
wise and said, hey, you know what we're gonna have

1354
01:21:25.239 --> 01:21:27.239
to We're gonna have to turn off the finances here.

1355
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:29.760
We've got to turn off that faucet, and we're no

1356
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:31.880
longer to get energy from you, and we're gonna get elsewhere.

1357
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.359
But here we are, all of a sudden, European nations

1358
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:38.199
are backtracking on that strategy and saying, you know what,

1359
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:42.000
we need to re engage Russia for energy again. So

1360
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:44.439
it's like we're not even I mean not even from

1361
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:46.960
from history of old. We came and learned from history

1362
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:50.800
within a few months. You know, it's it's kind of ridiculous,

1363
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:51.800
so it can't stick to the plan.

1364
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:55.520
And the thing is, we are we are not a

1365
01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:57.479
truly unified coalition.

1366
01:21:57.920 --> 01:21:59.279
True and the end.

1367
01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:04.439
Here's where the Trump administration could exercise genuine leadership in

1368
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:10.600
consultation with its NATO allies in formulating a grand strategic framework,

1369
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.399
a grand strategy for the twenty first century and beyond.

1370
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:17.319
This is the true challenge for the Trump administration, and

1371
01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:21.880
the instrument of wisdom, the creation of wisdom, which I've described,

1372
01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:26.279
would be one very important instrument in carrying out that

1373
01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:30.000
sort of grand strategy. The idea is the United States

1374
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:35.560
as both the combination of the arsenal of democracy, the

1375
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:38.479
arsenal of freedom, you know, an example for the rest

1376
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:43.920
of the world, but also the potential to generate large

1377
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:48.840
amounts of economic wealth. For example, if we successfully develop

1378
01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:56.960
fusion power for use commercially, what the potential of fusion

1379
01:22:57.039 --> 01:22:59.960
power is to provide for the people of the world

1380
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:05.359
an unlimited source of energy to clean, carbon free if

1381
01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:09.600
you're worried about that sort of stuff, but the but

1382
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:13.880
essentially an unlimited amount of energy forever right for all

1383
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:18.560
practically intense and that, and the historical experience has been

1384
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:22.159
every time that humanity has developed a new source of energy,

1385
01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:27.760
the result has been a massive increase in wealth creation.

1386
01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.279
Every time it has never failed. It generates more wealth

1387
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:36.000
and raises the standard of living for people worldwide.

1388
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:37.880
You know, and this is the potential. Yeah, and then

1389
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:42.079
on that energy topic, since you brought that up, it's crazy. Hell,

1390
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:45.880
we've held ourselves back from not fully engaging in the

1391
01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:50.720
nuclear energy possibilities, especially with all the safeguards we have.

1392
01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:53.960
And you know, we've been dealing with nuclear since if

1393
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:57.840
I'm correct, the sixties or so. Yes, Okay, so with

1394
01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.760
all that time gone by, we've definitely developed much safer measures.

1395
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.960
We definitely have a handle on on power plants, and

1396
01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:06.920
we could even do them on a smaller scale now

1397
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:09.119
almost I wouldn't say like a micro power plant, but

1398
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:12.399
more definitely much smaller than they used to be, so

1399
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:14.359
you can have one in every city if you need be,

1400
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:17.479
for example. So, yeah, I wonder why we haven't really

1401
01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:19.760
gone down that road and we're still relying on these

1402
01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:24.199
older methods of energy.

1403
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:27.359
For the power of the power grouprid Yes, because our

1404
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:30.119
power grid is becoming inc increasingly vulnerable.

1405
01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:32.880
Too, because that's that's their and that could really, as

1406
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:39.880
you said, push this world further forward. Why what what's

1407
01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:42.560
going on with that? Why why are we so so stubborn?

1408
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:51.199
Well, to its credit, the Trump administration is looking at

1409
01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:55.520
ways for unleashing creation of more energy, and people like

1410
01:24:55.560 --> 01:25:00.479
Elon Musk and others. You know, Elon would certainly welcome,

1411
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:05.720
for example, the development of nuclear therbal propulsion engines because

1412
01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:08.680
that makes the space fleet more effective, and it also

1413
01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:12.199
makes missions to Mars if he's looking at trying to

1414
01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:16.119
colonize Mars, at least with a small scientific colony, because

1415
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:20.000
there are still many other charge challenges that they come

1416
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:24.720
with trying to explore Mars. But you have the great

1417
01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:29.880
potential for again, widespread use of nuclear energy would be

1418
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:34.720
a useful backup for nuclear fusion power because those two

1419
01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:38.279
in combination, you could satisfy the energy needs of humanity

1420
01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:42.760
in a car in a non polluting manner indefinitely, and

1421
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:49.960
that would introduce a potential golden age for wealth creation.

1422
01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:52.399
And yeah, and the advestment of technology, because now we

1423
01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:54.319
have the energy, we have the ability and.

1424
01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:58.920
If you couple that a couple that development again with

1425
01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:04.000
the creation of wisdom to neutralize the possibility of global

1426
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:07.960
thermon nuclear war. Then you have a really winning commendation

1427
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:11.439
and you have the potential for the Trump administration to

1428
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:15.199
make significant contributions to the betterment of humanity.

1429
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:19.680
Yes, well, doctor Lockwood, I want to be respectful of

1430
01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:24.399
your time because you are three hours ahead of me, and.

1431
01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:27.119
So hey, I'm armed with my coffee. I can take

1432
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.199
I can. I've got it. I've got it. I'm not

1433
01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:30.279
running on fumes.

1434
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.319
No, No, you're not, you're not. I just want to

1435
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:36.520
make sure I'm respecting your time here. So with that

1436
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:41.359
being said, like I I really like everything that you said,

1437
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.319
and I liked your proposals. I really hope though, that

1438
01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:48.119
we can come to some kind of peace agreement between

1439
01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:51.319
Ukraine and Russia. And you know this all hinges on

1440
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:53.760
whether or not Putin wants to be stubborn improve the point,

1441
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:58.359
I think I am a little fearful as as far

1442
01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:01.640
as how Trump has been acting lately. Not that not

1443
01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:02.840
that he has I.

1444
01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:06.319
Share your fear because he can be. It's he's exciting

1445
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:08.560
to watch, but a little dangerous. Davy light.

1446
01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:12.239
Yeah, absolutely, and we need our allies. We cannot look

1447
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:18.399
it's been predicted by by Intel people in the Intel

1448
01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:22.119
community that we are definitely we're definitely going to be

1449
01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:25.600
engaging with China in a peer on peer war here

1450
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.159
probably around twenty twenty seven. It really seems like we're

1451
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.840
on the fast track of doing that. We need to

1452
01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:36.960
get this situation with Ukraine and Russia under control before

1453
01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:40.960
we can even think about engaging with China. And so

1454
01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:45.279
there's my fear in how the Trump administration has been

1455
01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:48.600
acting as as far as our allies are concerned. I mean,

1456
01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:51.680
are are Are they correct in calling them out for

1457
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:54.560
not carrying their own weight? Sure, but at the same

1458
01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:57.199
time you do have to kind of like pat him

1459
01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:01.319
on the back and realize that, look, I'm just going

1460
01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.800
no offense, but if shit hits the fan for example, No,

1461
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:06.560
we need our friends period.

1462
01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:07.159
Yes we do.

1463
01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:09.960
Yeah we're not We're big, but we're not that big.

1464
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.119
I mean, the world is bigger than we are, So

1465
01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:13.800
we do need our friends.

1466
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:16.640
Even in World War Two, we had we had to

1467
01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:20.520
be very even though we had amazing resources, we had

1468
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:24.560
to very carefully plan what how much were we going

1469
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:28.560
to develop devote developing naval power? How much did we

1470
01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.800
devote to air power? And how much would would we

1471
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:35.720
have to devote for our army, and we ended up

1472
01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:39.359
building it. We ended up using economy of force, relying

1473
01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:44.119
on air superiority and naval superiority to get to a

1474
01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:49.159
basis to have to uh mobilize only ninety divisions, only

1475
01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:54.960
ninety divisions. And we calculated that that allocation of forces

1476
01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.479
so finely that by the time of the Battle of

1477
01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:02.720
the Bulge in December nineteen, we had to win that

1478
01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:06.279
battle with the forces we had left because we had

1479
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:10.560
just committed the last of our divisions. We had calculated

1480
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:15.760
it that precisely, And so that gives you an idea. Yeah,

1481
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:18.479
we couldn't go it alone in World War Two. No,

1482
01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:21.520
we were providing the bulk of the power. And in

1483
01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:25.319
any future war, especially if we adopt a strategy of

1484
01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:29.680
being the world's geopolitical balancer, we allies are a must.

1485
01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:33.720
We have to reinforce what allies we have, not attempt

1486
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:37.960
to go it alone or or god forbid, become isolationists,

1487
01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:41.279
because eventually the war would eventually the war would come

1488
01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:41.640
to us.

1489
01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:47.239
That's not a strategy of success at all, being an isolationist. Now,

1490
01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.520
since I did bring up China, though they are an

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01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:53.680
ally of Russia. Now, what I found interesting through this

1492
01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:59.119
entire conflict is China has not been too vocal in

1493
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:03.000
their stance on this. They've sent some aid to Russia,

1494
01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:05.760
but it's mostly in like I don't know, like micro

1495
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:07.600
chips and other things like that, so they can continue

1496
01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:11.000
to develop technologies in the war. But they haven't even

1497
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:13.920
sent any troops to help, which was interesting because North

1498
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.039
Korea stepped up and did so. China's kind of been

1499
01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:18.880
a little hands off in this whole thing, and it's

1500
01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:21.880
very interesting to watch them in this involvement. What do

1501
01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:22.439
you think of that?

1502
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:27.680
I think they are recognizing tacitly that their Russian ally

1503
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:30.960
isn't exactly as dominating as they thought they were going

1504
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:35.760
to be. They're hedging their bets yea and so, and

1505
01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:39.039
they are trying to develop their own sources military. They're

1506
01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:43.000
trying to develop their own nuclear arsenal and build that up,

1507
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.840
which is also all the more reason why if you're

1508
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:48.399
going to be dealing with you, if we're all the

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01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:50.159
more reason for developing wisdom.

1510
01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:54.479
Yeah, absolutely, I agree with you there. Maybe China also

1511
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:58.920
sees Russia as no longer really completely aligning with their

1512
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:02.760
views or with their agendas anyway, that could also be

1513
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.039
the case. I mean Putin has kind of well he

1514
01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.039
hasn't kind of he is showing to be more dictorial

1515
01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:11.439
in his in his efforts and his actions in the world,

1516
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.359
especially now as he's getting older and really thinking about

1517
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:17.920
his legacy. I believe so maybe China's looking beyond that.

1518
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:20.399
They're like, look, yeah, we're allies, but maybe you're not

1519
01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:21.520
the partner we really need.

1520
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:27.439
Well, neither Putin nor g are spring Chickens.

1521
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:30.960
Well, no, no, no, no, understood. And I'm not trying

1522
01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:32.960
to make this an ageous thing. It's just you know,

1523
01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:36.159
after a while, he's been Look, Putin's been been a

1524
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:38.920
leader for a while, and he's always wanted to reunite

1525
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:42.399
the old USSR period, and he knows he has so

1526
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:45.079
much time to do so. So that's that's why I

1527
01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:47.319
make that statement. I just think I just think he can.

1528
01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:50.359
He's he's feeling the pressure of Look, if I want

1529
01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:52.319
to get this done, I better get this done now.

1530
01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:54.800
And that's why I made that statement. It really wasn't

1531
01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:58.479
to demean anybody by age. It was just I think

1532
01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:02.039
he sees his timeline, he sees how much time he

1533
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:06.720
has and he's like, I'm going to now make this happen.

1534
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:09.600
And that's just my opinion based on what I see.

1535
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:13.279
So yeah, well if he if he, if he's a

1536
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:18.560
factoring in his own mortality as driving his timeline, then

1537
01:32:18.680 --> 01:32:22.640
it becomes all the more imperative for the Western powers

1538
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:23.960
to say, no, you're not.

1539
01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:26.640
Agree, and I agree with you.

1540
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:31.800
I do, absolutely says your your mortality, your legacy is

1541
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:33.079
not our priority.

1542
01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:37.119
No, absolutely true. I agree.

1543
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.079
So that that's going to be the message that they're

1544
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:42.239
going to have to learn to learn to deliver it

1545
01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:46.439
to mister Prutin. And this is a George. I have

1546
01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:50.279
genuinely enjoyed this discussion. It has been energizing. Yeah, I

1547
01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:55.720
appreciate it, and I welcome any future opportunities as as

1548
01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:56.439
things develop.

1549
01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.600
Listen, next time, I guarantee where you to go the

1550
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:01.640
full two hours, believe me, if not.

1551
01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:04.319
Longer, really, well, let's see, yeah it's full hard. Well

1552
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:10.600
let's see a mere a mere hour and a half. Ah, yeah,

1553
01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:11.720
we fell a little.

1554
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.720
Short, but I think well, I think that we I

1555
01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:18.880
think we covered everything very concisely, and and you made

1556
01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:24.000
some very very good arguments. So it's like, I'm not

1557
01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:25.840
really sure I'm not really sure what else we can

1558
01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.279
add to this Ukraine Russia situation because it's it's still developing,

1559
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:32.920
right and it's developing by the hour. So it's probably

1560
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:36.399
best that look at this point, you made some great points,

1561
01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:39.359
I had some questions answered, and I think this is

1562
01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:41.479
something we need to revisit because it's we're not done.

1563
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:43.000
We're absolutely not done with the situation.

1564
01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:46.800
So I'll get my closing statement as far as the

1565
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:50.640
Ukraine Russia conflict is, is that you here you have

1566
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:57.119
two nations with politically irreconcilable goals. Yeah, the restoration of

1567
01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:00.720
the Russian Empire versus the sovereignty of Ukraine. These are

1568
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:05.199
politically irreconcilable that they can be cited realistically only by

1569
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:08.600
war in which one side or the other prevails. And

1570
01:34:08.760 --> 01:34:13.199
any peace agreement which rewards Russia in any way for

1571
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:17.199
having invaded Ukraine is not a peace agreement. It is appeasement.

1572
01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:20.880
And therefore we'll set the stage for another war, which

1573
01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:23.840
neither NATO, the United States or Ukraine wants.

1574
01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:28.239
Can argue with that statement, Why don't you for the listeners,

1575
01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:30.520
I have tell everybody how they can connect with you,

1576
01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.800
where they can find information on you, etc. If you

1577
01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:35.439
have any social media.

1578
01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:40.159
Well, okay, I let's see you can. They should check

1579
01:34:40.159 --> 01:34:44.119
out IBMTV pod TV on which I appear on the

1580
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:49.960
Ukrainian show, The Ukraine Show with and I will What

1581
01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.239
I will do, George is I will send you the

1582
01:34:53.319 --> 01:34:57.239
email for my producer. Okay, and you they can. You

1583
01:34:57.319 --> 01:34:59.479
can then send it to your listeners and they can

1584
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:02.119
tune into the Ukraine Show, which is every Tuesday and

1585
01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:06.560
every Friday at eleven a m. Eastern Standard time, and

1586
01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:09.359
usually goes for at least a half hour, sometimes for

1587
01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:11.960
as much as an hour. And they have the option

1588
01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:16.319
to you sort of, uh, actually pop into the broadcast

1589
01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:19.640
itself and ask questions. All that doesn't happen too often.

1590
01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:24.439
We are still equipped to handle it, okay, And for uh,

1591
01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:27.800
if interest viewers who are interested in the I have

1592
01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:32.159
two published books which are available on Amazon Books. You

1593
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:35.000
just simply you know, Google Amazon, get on their book

1594
01:35:35.039 --> 01:35:38.600
section and look up either The Russian View of US

1595
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:43.520
Strategy It's Pasted its Future by Jonathan S. Lockwood and

1596
01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:47.439
Kathleen O'Brien Lockwood. We co authored that one. The other

1597
01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:53.039
book is The Lockwood Analytical Method for Prediction LAMP l

1598
01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:55.960
a MP. Now that is a that might be a

1599
01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:59.439
topic for another for another another time, But that is

1600
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:03.039
an an analytical method which I developed and for which

1601
01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:06.359
apparently I'm still very well known in the intelligence community.

1602
01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:09.439
Actually, when I looked your name up after we connected,

1603
01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:11.640
I looked, you know, just to do a little soft

1604
01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:14.239
you know, dive on you, and LAMP came up quite

1605
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:18.159
a bit. So we do have to discuss that another episode,

1606
01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:18.560
for sure.

1607
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:21.640
Oh yeah, there's an interesting there's an interesting thing, but

1608
01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:27.079
that was published in twenty thirteen and it is it

1609
01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:30.359
is a structured method for making an intelligence prediction.

1610
01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:32.960
Yeah, let's let's save that for another because I am

1611
01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:34.600
interested in talking about that one with you, for sure.

1612
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:38.880
You know what I do though, I let me mention

1613
01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:40.800
this too. I'm going to create a guest page for

1614
01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.119
you on my website, and we were going to make

1615
01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:44.720
sure that we have all these links there so when

1616
01:36:44.720 --> 01:36:47.960
they click on this episode, you will pop up, and

1617
01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:49.399
then we'll make sure that I can get all those

1618
01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:51.359
links from you that you have, and we'll make that

1619
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.039
part of your guest profile on the website on my

1620
01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:57.000
end as well, So hopefully that'll help listeners find you

1621
01:36:57.960 --> 01:36:59.039
a little bit easier as well.

1622
01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:04.279
Fantastic. Yeah not this is this has been very energizing

1623
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:08.199
and interesting discussion. I really enjoyed it.

1624
01:37:08.399 --> 01:37:11.079
I appreciate your time. Yeah, oh very good, Dan.

1625
01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:14.560
So yeah, I'm going to get back and to hunkering

1626
01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:18.560
down in this cold weather, winter weather and just yeah,

1627
01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:22.279
just just chilling out and maybe getting a bottle, maybe

1628
01:37:22.279 --> 01:37:24.000
getting a glass at Bubbly or something.

1629
01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:26.319
That's kind of where I'm going next. I'm a big

1630
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:28.880
champagne guy, so I'm about to pop a cork here,

1631
01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:33.239
Doctor Lockwood. Thank you very much, and I guarantee you

1632
01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:36.319
and I will be staying in touch. So yes, appreciate

1633
01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:39.800
your time. Excellent, awesome, Thank you as always, Thank you

1634
01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:43.119
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Dr. Jonathan S. Lockwood

Retired US Army Intelligence Colonel / Author / Subject Matter Expert

Retired US Army Intelligence Colonel
Retired GS-15 from Office of Intelligence & Analysis, Department of Homeland Security
MA and PHD in International Affairs, (Russia specialty)
Masters of Science in Strategic Intelligence, National Intelligence University
BA in History and Psychology, University of Tampa
Published author of books, articles, and editorials on a wide variety of subjects dating back to 1972; books include The Russian View of US Strategy: Its Past, Its Future and The Lockwood Analytical Method for Prediction (LAMP), both available on Amazon Books