48 - KERVIN AUCOIN - PUTIN'S NUCLEAR THREAT, ELECTION OUTCOME, OSINT, AND TULSI GABBARD

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Today we welcome back Curvin Oakwyn, host of the podcast

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this Week, explained he is also an intelligence analyst with

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over twenty years experience. He helps shed the light on

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the situation in Russia and Ukraine, especially after Biden had

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given Ukraine the green light to use US made missiles

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to launch attacks against Russian territories. We also discuss how

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Putin's claim of using nuclear weapons and retaliation against Ukraine

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for using US made missiles is nothing more than posturing

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and that we need to stop talking about World War three.

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Curvin and I then go on to touch on the

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election outcome, truth and information in social media, the validity

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of podcasting, and we also discuss Tulsi Gabbert's new appointment

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as head of National Intelligence, what that means and if

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she is qualified for the role. You are listening to

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a FONDS Network production.

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Take my eyes open, the fussyity like you just let

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me in my way.

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Hell little wood Blaze listeners. Today, I welcome Curvin back

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to the show and Curvin, how you doing. I'm doing well.

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We've had a little pre game earlier.

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Hey, let me first say I am excited to be back.

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I really enjoyed the last conversation. I know that you know,

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we've been back and forth trying to get this scheduled.

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Some new things are popping up in the geopolitical realm.

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I'm sure everybody is hearing of so, so the fact

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that you're flexible and that you have let me come

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back on and say my piece and all of this

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I really appreciative. Man. I love this show. I love

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being a part of it, and hopefully we don't get

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too wild today.

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Well, so, like I said earlier, you know, we had

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a little talk previously before I pressure record button and

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just catching up in you know, reality is I did

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want to go in a different direction at first, but

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I know that you don't want to talk about it again.

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But this whole thing that's going on in Ukraine, it's

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hard to ignore. I know you've been on a few

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broadcasts already and you have some other things I nd

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up with, you know, news Live News. So that's awesome

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that people are reaching out to you for that and

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for clarity. So that's great, and I'm glad you're here

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to be honest because you keep us honest and you

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can correct me on stuff that I'm probably wrong on.

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But with everything going on, and I know you're busy

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because I see that you're very active right now because

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of this.

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Yeah, my socials are so so active. It's good and bad.

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I'll say that.

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Yeah, well hopefully this is all good. But yeah, I

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have Okay, Trump one, we're going to get past that,

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you know, his cabinet picks whatever. I know, we don't

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want to do all on that because personally, I'm like,

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I'm on the same pager as I kind of want

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to move on and talk about other important things. Right. Yeah,

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there's a few candidates or picks that I'll go over later,

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not here my own show, and I'll deep dive and

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you know, i'll give them my give my opinion on that.

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I will ask you as we talked about earlier about Tulci,

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but kicked that can down the road just a little

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bit for now. Let's get but let's get into what's

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going on in Ukraine. The whole thing that I can't

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believe that. Okay, I have theories on this, and but firstly,

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Biden give them the ok in the green lights to

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Ukraine to use US made weapons. And then after that, yeah,

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France in Britain that said yes you can use ours

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as well. And then Putin's response is literally, I mean

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just reiterating what he said before uh the election, in saying, hey,

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if you allow this, I'm going to look at that

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as you being directly involved in this war. Thoughts on that, yeah,

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a lot.

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So open ended question, I get it, but that's actually

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the thought on everybody's mind, right And well, I've been

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very consistent on this from from the beginning that Ukraine

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asked for, especially the attack ons, which is the US

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capable long range missile system tactical missiles, and I was

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very consistent that I think Ukraine should be allowed to

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use this. You know, they were given them if they

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need to use them in Russian territory. Russia invaded Ukraine.

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Have we forgotten that unless you are just a completely

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pro Russian person, which some people are, and I get that,

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if you're just sitting there looking at this from a

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nuanced perspective, and you've got Russia sending missiles to Kiev,

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to Laviv, which is closer to the Polish border than

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it is to the Russian border, why not why not

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have so Russia is using Ukraine. Sorry one second, here,

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Russia is using Iranian provided weapons. They're using North Korean

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provided weapons. They're using Chinese provided weapons to attack Ukraine

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in Ukrainian territory, so why not use Western munitions deeper

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into Russia territory? And I get that it's because Putin

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has said he nuclear weapons are not off the table.

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It's going to be a war with NATO. But he

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has said this from the very beginning, from the moment

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he made that miscalculation for a push in to Kiev.

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He has said anything that the West done, that the

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West does is a red line for Russia, and they're

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going to attack NATO if that happens. F sixteen's that

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was a red line. One A one Abrams. Those are

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the tanks that the US provided. And I'm really coming

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from a US perspective here because I'm a US intelligence professional.

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I was a US Army So if you hear a

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lot of me talking about the US stuff, that's because

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I know it in Trent, like I know a lot

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about this. So all of those, if they're used, then

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that's a red line for Putin. He could use nuclear weapons.

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Not a single time have those happened that he has

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actually solidified that as a red line used nuclear weapons.

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So what does that tell you? It tells you he's

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a bully and that not a lot of the things

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he says is actually true. So at that point, like

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Mike Tyson, funny, Mike Tyson, he just had a fight

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with with Jake Paul that was kind of a big disappointment.

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But Mike Tyson famously saying everybody has a plan until

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you punch him in the mouth.

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Yes, they do. So it's is it hoot and posturing?

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I mean, are these really just veiled threats you think?

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Or is he really getting closer to saying fuck it? No?

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I don't. I don't think he's at a fuck it moment? Which, uh, which,

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thank you for starting that off. So I know where

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my language barriers are.

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Like we're good.

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I could get quiet, I know I've already been on,

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but I can get quite wild sometimes. It's Yeah, My

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point that I'm waiting for is the cat in the corner.

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Anybody who has cats or have ever dealt with cats,

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If you put them in a corner and you you

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interrogate them or move to towards them, it's complete chaos

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as soon as they get in that corner, and there's

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no way out. Once putin's backed in a corner and

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there's no way out. That's the moment I think nuclear

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weapons are used. So how do you do that? You

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attack Putin personally, much like Israel does with Hezbolah leadership

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and Hamas leadership and stuff, where you're attacking the leaders,

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not just fighting a war.

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But does that in your panda, Ukraine themselves have that

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capability or would they have to rely on outside agencies

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to make it?

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Yeah, they would, they would, definitely, And I don't think

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I honestly don't think Ukraine has a desire to I

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would hope, not honestly, to kill Vladimir Putin. Say whatever

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you want about Vladimir Putin. Yes, he's a dictator, he's

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maybe a despot, he's all of these terrible things. But

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you assassinate a leader of a country. Yes, Russia is

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a free country because I get the elections are not

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one hundred percent fair and balanced, but the majority if

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you talk to Russians, and I've talked to Russians, I've

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been in Russia, they love Putin. He has quite a

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big approval rating in Russia. Take out all of this

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in interference and him, you know, bumping the numbers up

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people in Russia love him, even the moderates. If you

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kill Vladimir Putin, that's the point where I think if

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he sees that he's about to be assassinated, he will

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use nuclear weapons because so what, what the fuck, I'm

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just gonna do it, kill the whole world, that's my legacy.

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Who's going to remember anyway, that's the moment that he

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does it. I don't think it's a good idea to

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do that at all. And also Ukraine just doesn't have

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the capabilities to do that, right.

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I'm kind of thinking that for as bad as Putin,

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maybe in our eyes or in most of the world's eyes,

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if that did happen, I think they would just lead

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to further chaos, you know, because everyone's gonna come out

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of the would work trying to take charge, and probably

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people even worse than him. He may be the only

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one actually keeping things stable there, even though we don't

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think he is.

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Just my opinion, yeah, absolutely, no, your your opinion is

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factually correct. You make him into a martyr. He then

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goes from a global pariah into a global martyr. Not

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for maybe not for everybody, but yeah, there will be

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a majority of people around the globe who say that

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was the wrong thing to do. Don't. I don't believe

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that you should have done that. And now we're going

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to actually mourn his death no matter what happens. Look,

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the guy has done a lot of terrible things. He's

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not Hitler. Hitler is on a whole different level. This

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is part of my problem with every presidential candidate post

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World War two is hitler because they don't agree with

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my belief system. Just because somebody doesn't believe what doesn't

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believe the same as you doesn't make them hitler. Right now,

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if they round up six million Jews and start to

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kill them indiscriminately, that's that's a hitler. What Putin is

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doing is more on the level of like a Napoleon,

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somebody who sees himself as a world leader, not just

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a Russian leader, and wants to, you know, his legacy

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is more important than anything else in his life.

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I agree with that, you know, especially as he's getting older.

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I think he wants to be known for someone who

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is considered to be great in the world. And I'm

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not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and disagree with

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anything you said in terms of Ukraine defending themselves because

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they should, any nation should be able to defend themselves.

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And it's crazy that, you know, Putin will put out

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this mandate about, you know, considering anybody to be direct

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involved in the war, just for using weapons manufactured by

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other countries such as ourselves, such as the USA. Yet

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like you said, he's using weapons supplied by his allies,

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which is which is not a problem. Apparently question though,

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because he just he just had another press release where

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where Yeah, he brought that. I know you I was

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gonna play it, but I'm sure you saw it. You're

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probably way ahead of me. Anyways, been a rough couple

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of days.

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I'm still trying to run back, but he's he's reiterating.

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But he did so when I watched I watch a

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few different version because I don't speak Russians. I just

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watched different translations to try to compare them to see

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the consistency in them, and each one. I he did say,

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and this is where I asked you if you thought

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it was a vailed threat, because he did say he

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would under consideration if it was verifiable evidence of direct involvement.

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So he says all these things like, well, I will

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use them because I will consider this. You know I

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will consider the US being directly involved now because they okay,

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do you Craine to use these weapons? But then later in

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the speech he says, but given verifiable evidence. So I'm

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not really sure where he's at with that other than

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that's That's why I was asking if you thought it

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was posturing, because it seems like he's just trying trying

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not to look weak to his people at this point.

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So that's exactly it, what you said at the end.

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That's what he's doing, okay, And it's something every leader does, right,

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so they understand, Hey, now we're getting hit by attackers.

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It's a military site that's being hit. But the people

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of Russia know this. They're not completely in the dark

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about what's happening. So they're seeing, well, Ukraine's using these

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US provided munitions and they're hitting within Russia. Putin what

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are you doing about it? He has to come up

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and do this press conference and do this public event

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where he says, listen, if we have verifiable, one hundred

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percent evidence that NATO is providing munitions that are being

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used in this war to attack Russian people in Russia,

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all bets are off. We're going nuclear. He has to

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say that, is he going to do it, so all

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bets are off, I think if a and this is

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part of my problem with allowing Ukraine to use these

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weapons for long range, they have to be very accurate,

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and these weapons are very accurate. But if there's a

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misstrike and it hits a civilian population, now the attackers

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can't reach Moscow, they can reach other populations within Russia.

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If it hits a population center and it's a mass

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casualty of civilians that happens, I don't think Putin has

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any other choice than to use nuclear weapons. Now I'm

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not saying global nuclear war. I'm saying tactical nuclear weapons

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in the war in Ukraine to defeat one hundred percent

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defeat the Ukrainian military, that's what he's going to be using.

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So all this conversation about global nuclear war, I think

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we got to stop doing that. That's nuclear saber rattling.

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We got to it off of that because no one wins.

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I want to say this again, no one wins in

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a nuclear war question.

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Question though, if if he was to use even strategic,

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just strategically tactical nuclear weapons, as you say, the fallout

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regardless is going to spread and then what what about

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the NATO, uh, the NATO states or countries that border

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the Ukraine.

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Absolutely interesting question because tactical nuclear weapon, you know, goes off.

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I don't know. I don't know how much you know

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about tactical nuclear weapons. I don't know audiences. So so

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a tactical nuclear weapon would would be used in air.

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It would go off above ground, above the in the atmosphere,

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and what it does it would be more of like

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an e MP where it shuts down a lot of communications,

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electrical and so. Yes, you're absolutely right, a lot of

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that residual effect then in the air, and then the

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weather takes it right. This is a lot of the

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stuff we talked about early on in the war in

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tracking weather systems and which way the wind the wind blows.

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That's similar to what they referred to as a dirty bomb.

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Is it similar in how it can affect it?

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you know, nature takes its course and right, and so

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a lot of particles could move towards I know Germany

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was very worried about it. Listen, between Ukraine and Germany

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is another country called Poland. The country I've been in

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and I've worked on I've worked with I worked with

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their military on anti Russian aggression. That would be the

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first country that's hit. And so then at that moment,

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if the fallout reaches Poland, the problem with it is

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what does that mean for the Polish people. They're scared, upset,

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the Polish government is pissed off. Does NATO view that

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as a direct attack, because that's Article five of the

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NATO Agreement, a direct attack on any country. So is

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it sorry, a direct attack on any country as an

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attack on all NATO countries, NATO has to get involved.

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Does NATO view that as a direct attack on a

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NATO country or is it sort of this gray area?

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And there's a lot of back channel conversations that happen. Yes,

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Russian intelligence still talks to US intelligence through back channels

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to tell them, Hey, we're going to do this, don't.

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I know you don't want us to, but don't worry

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about it. We're not escalating it even further, So don't

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do anything to us that would happen with a tactical

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nuclear strike. As soon as they go off, those back

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channels would hit the Pentagon and say hey, because of

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what you did, we're doing this tactical nuclear strike. It's

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not meant to be a nuclear strike. It's meant to

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affect only military sites, any residuals that happen, and that's

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a part of nature, and so don't look at it

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as a direct attack. Then the US and NATO have

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to decide, Hey, is it worth getting involved because economies

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are failing. We got China in the Indo Pacific making moves.

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Is it is the juice worth the squeeze to go

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after Russia and be part of this war because they

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did that?

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Well that that's always a concern, right, because we don't

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want world war. Like you said, nobody wins period, especially

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in nuclear.

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The people who want world War three have never been

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in war and they don't know what it means.

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It's dumb to even consider that. I've always been an

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advocate of we don't need to go there, and I've

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always been more critical of the decisions being made, not

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because not because we shouldn't see Ukraine to finished self,

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but you know, slowly pulling us in. It seems like

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we're slowly being pulled in that direction due to decisions

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made by you know, our leaders, and.

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Even you don't have to to go to war.

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Yeah, even even with that that explanation, you know, like

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I said, nature will take us course and we don't

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know to what extent or how bad that exposure would be.

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For example, because even if it if it hits, if

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it hits any of the NATO nations around Ukraine, sure

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we could say, oh act of God. No, I wasn't

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directly I weren't directly pun our weapons at you. Whatever

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it was, it was just nature took its course to

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win blue things and unfortunately I hit your hit your borders. Understandable.

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Now we're just arguing whether or not it was intentional.

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And like you said, it's juice support the squeeze. I

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get that. But you can also look at it as

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they knew better, They knew what kind of weapon this

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is and what it would do. They it wasn't really

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a controlled strike. Yeah, so there's always that concern as well.

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You know, we don't know how Poland will react. We

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can assume, but we don't know how how pole how

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they will react. I mean they've they've already been pretty

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active and making sure that you know, their military is

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ready to go on their borders, and they're already pointing

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missiles and weapons that direction anyway. I think romeain us too,

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I think so, yeah, I just read something on that.

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I think Romania as well also getting ready for that.

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Just because we're on that.

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Lithuania as well, Sweden and Finland have have just put

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out they've released pamphlets to their people on how to

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survive a nuclear attack, how to survive of global conflict.

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So that, I mean, yes, we don't want a global conflict.

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We don't want world War three, I don't think so.

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I would like to get into because I've seen a

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lot of reporting that the Biden administration did this to

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screw over the Trump administration.

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I was kind of going to go lead into that,

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but I wanted to get more more of your take

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on because I thought I thought this would.

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Be a little I could do more take on what

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this means.

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Okay, we can move forward from here. It's just it's

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just I wanted to use your expertise to kind of

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clarify this situation we're just talking about, because it's very well,

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it's a hot, hot one right now, yeah, and a

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lot of people aren't aren't understanding what it really really means.

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I mean, I have concerns, but again, you know, I

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wasn't in your position and what you did, so you

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know that's that's why.

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I mean, I can tell you the conversations. Uh so,

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I'm sure, well, you know, but just to let your

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audience know our podcast, as week explain, it's myself and

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my wife that we have these discussions on the podcast.

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But for the most for honestly, do we have those

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discussions day to day in our day to day lives.

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And I can tell you as soon as this stuff

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started coming out, we had those conversations, you know, hey,

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what should we be doing should The exact I think

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response from Tiana was, you know, do we need to

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prep for this or do you think it's just bluff

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and bluster? And my response, and the response I can

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tell to your audience is that at this moment, I

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think it's bluff and bluster. But as an intelligence analyst,

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you're that the intelligence cycle is continuous. So with new information,

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new assessments are made. I can make a new assessment

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in the near future if certain things happen. Those certain

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things that happen, those are going to be things like

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the you know movement. So Russia's nuclear arsenal right now

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is in Belarus. I don't know if you if you

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remember that last summer they moved everything to Belarus.

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I actually didn't remember that.

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Yeah, so that's where the nuclear arsenal arsenal for Russia is,

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and that part of that is to protect Russia if

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a nuclear attack does happen, not protecting Belarus. But their

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president has his own securities in place that he can

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move out in that case. So that's step one. Right,

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that moved me closer to huh nuclear U at least

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tactical nuclear weapons being used. So they're there. There is

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a continuous monitoring of all of these munitions. Now, Russia

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did get out of the the nuclear pact that they

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had with the United States, but we're still we're still

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monitoring them. Right. The moment those munitions start to move

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in place towards certain locations, that's when I would start questioning, Okay,

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where are we going with this? As of right now,

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those nuclear munitions are safe, they're secure in Belarus, and

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they're not being used.

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Yeah, understood that this currently is just like you said,

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it's posturing. It's yes, it's him just saying hold on, everybody,

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we're good. I'm going to take care of this. You know,

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basically talking to his fellow citizens of Russia saying, Hey,

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I got you, don't worry, but I'm sure he's smart

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enough to realize as I think you're saying, or at

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least I believe that he doesn't want that either. He

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doesn't want so he doesn't want that. He really doesn't. Uh.

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And what I wanted to what I wanted to to

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veer into though outside of this, because thank you for

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explaining that situation. But where we see North Korean troops,

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how was things going to change once we start seeing

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more of his allies there on the actual battlefield against Ukraine.

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What if I ran actually sounds troops? What if China's

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kind of staying out there's still kind of been silent

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to a degree, they're not saying a whole lot.

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Yeah, that's a whole different conversation, gotch you can have

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because because of the Putin explanation on being done by

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twenty twenty six and things that I know that I

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can't really talk about that shows a twenty twenty six

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twenty twenty seven timeline for the invasion of Taiwan. That

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stuff's unclassified. There's other things I can't go into. But yeah,

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So that's a very interesting thing about China. They're not

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providing any troops. They're kind of upset with North Korea

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for providing troops to Russia because I think China expected,

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Now this is all publicly China expected North Korea to

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be utilized in their conflict in Taiwan. But the flip

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side of that is, as North Korean troops are in

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battles with Ukrainian troops, they're getting true wartime experience. So okay, yeah,

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maybe maybe tens of thousands of North Koreans die in

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the Ukrainian Ruso War. That's a travesty. I don't think

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that should have been put on them. It's a war

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that they should not be involved in. But those the

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leaders of those troops are not going to be killed

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because they're you know, they're in support roles and they're

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in the they're not on the battlefield. Those leaders, those generals,

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they're going to gain wartime experience in a real land

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conflict that they would have never had otherwise. And so

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you can move those leaders back to North Korea. China

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then makes a move on Taiwan. Now those leaders in

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North Korea understand, Hey, this is how a Western force

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works conflict. Maybe we can help out in advance what

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you guys are doing.

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So I'm not saying this is your opinion, but maybe

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it is. It seems like it seems like because I okay,

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I personally know I personally I can't assume anyway, don't know,

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but assume that China's not done with their intention to

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take Taiwan. They've never given that up there, They've never

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given that up. And I see what you're saying.

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In an unclassified environment, I can tell you and your

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audience absolutely they have not given that up. They have

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just rebbed it up even more.

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Yeah, and so them assuming that North Korea would be

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supporting them in their efforts. But you know, who knows this.

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If this wasn't the plan all along, maybe maybe North

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Korea is literally just getting real world training experience and

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then they'll pull their troops out and then you know,

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shift shift their focus. Possibly, I don't know.

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Yeah, yeah, this is all so for me, everything that

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Russia has been doing in Ukraine has all been my

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understanding under the guise of China. Right, So let's start

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from the very beginning. Russia did not invade Ukraine until

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after the winter Olympics in China in twenty twenty two,

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Putin and g had a meeting a week before the

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final ceremonies. That was the moment. On my podcast this week, explained,

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I just got to give it another plug here if

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you're talking when I sit. Yeah, when I said, hey,

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they're having a conversation about invading Ukraine, and so it's

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all going to be dependent on how I saw it.

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GI gave the go ahead as long as Putin withholds

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invasion until after the Olympics. So China, Beijing's got this

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great Olympics that they put on. They can do the

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closing ceremonies and then a couple days later he can

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invade Ukraine. That happened. Part of that conversation was also, hey,

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you have my backing on this. I may not be

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public about it, but I'm letting you know. I'm going

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to give you intel. I'm going to give you maybe

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some technologies that you can use under the auspice that

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00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:22.799
when we invade, when we invade Taiwan, you're going to

479
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.319
help us out in that invasion. I believe that Putin

480
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.160
did agree to that, and that's what led to him

481
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.720
actually deciding to invade Ukraine.

482
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.640
So regardless, we're still kind of outside of which you know,

483
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.799
you can't tell us. Everyone's still speculating what China's real

484
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.599
involvement is. And the reason I say is because there

485
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:48.559
were supposedly for so long one of Russia's or Russia's

486
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.200
closest aull I do to their you know, politics and whatnot.

487
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.640
And then it did seem like they were starting to

488
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:58.400
distance themselves from Russia and Putin, and the situation isn't

489
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.279
all about China at the moment. War is what Russia's doing,

490
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:08.400
But there's definitely an unspoken bond there that I don't

491
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.880
think they've completely severed yet, And I don't know if

492
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.640
China is going to sever that. Maybe they're letting Putin

493
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.799
run his course, do whatever he wants to do, and

494
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.160
just implode on himself so that they don't have any

495
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.359
other opposition in terms of stepping up to be a

496
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.240
world leader. Yet at that point, all they're looking at

497
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.240
is US versus them, And even even with that, I

498
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.720
don't I don't know if China would be looking at

499
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.559
an actual war, direct war anyway with US for that

500
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:37.680
for that fight.

501
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.359
I don't so, I mean, I don't know if you have,

502
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:42.359
but I'm sure you have.

503
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:43.200
You're a smart guy.

504
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.799
If you read the Art of War and China is

505
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.880
I mean they wrote the Art of War. Yeah, this

506
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:56.119
is generations sun Zoo. The main, the main thing in

507
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.680
the Art of War is the best way to win

508
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.200
a war is to never go into battle when that

509
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:08.880
war any way you can without killing your soldiers, airm

510
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.640
or whatever, do it without ever firing a single weapon,

511
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:17.599
because economically that helps you. Militarily, it helps you. Your51200:29:17.599 --> 00:29:22.640



civilian base loves you. That is what China has to51300:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.440



decide right now. They now have so tiptoe around it51400:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.799



until early November of twenty twenty four. Who's going to51500:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.160



be elected as the US president because that's going to51600:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.160



help China identify what the policy is going to be51700:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.759



moving forward. I've said this from the very beginning for51800:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.920



the election. China doesn't care who wins the election. I51900:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.519



believe I said it on the podcast with you. China52000:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.000



doesn't care who's going to win the election. They only52100:29:51.039 --> 00:29:55.799



care about mass chaos. They want a contested election that52200:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.960



we're talking about for six months and nothing is getting52300:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.519



done and we don't even know who the president's going52400:30:03.559 --> 00:30:08.359



to be Unfortunately for China that didn't happen because Trump52500:30:08.359 --> 00:30:13.079



won by a substantial margin. Over three hundred electorates is52600:30:13.119 --> 00:30:17.960



a substantial margin. So we're not fighting about who's going52700:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.559



to be president and who their policies are. Our fight52800:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.559



right now online you're perpetually online like I am. You52900:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.279



know what the fight is. It's that Trump just put53000:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.319



this person up, and you know, Trump's going to be53100:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.680



a despot. He's going to do all of this stuff,53200:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.559



and that's what we're kind of focused on. I think53300:30:35.559 --> 00:30:40.319



that hurts China because we're focused on policies instead of53400:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.720



focusing on who's going to ascend to the presidency. So53500:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.400



it didn't happen the way they want it. And also,53600:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.039



Trump is a China hawk and he doesn't like China53700:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.319



at all. Doesn't does that mean he's going to go53800:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.640



to war? It goes back to kind of the conversation53900:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.079



we had about Putin, right, And I didn't want to54000:30:59.920 --> 00:31:02.880



say this because it'll make it look like I'm not54100:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.599



trying to say that Trump and Putin are the same54200:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.000



guy and they're going to do the same thing. That54300:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.559



absolutely not. I worked under the Trump administration in a54400:31:09.599 --> 00:31:13.559



military in the Department of defense, military capacity in Poland,54500:31:13.799 --> 00:31:18.960



overt anti Russian aggression, opposed to Russia, opposed to Putin.54600:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.119



So I don't believe he's just some Putin hack that's54700:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.240



going to come in and help Russia do whatever they want.54800:31:25.440 --> 00:31:28.680



But where is he similar with Putin? He knows how54900:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.960



to frame certain things for his base. And what I'm55000:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.880



saying there is this Trump is saying, I'm not going55100:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.279



to start any wars, right, he said, I'm a president55200:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.559



that's going to stop wars and not start them. So55300:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.319



what happens if China invades Taiwan? Is the US military55400:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.759



going to come to support Taiwan? I feel at this55500:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.440



moment absolutely in a Trump administration, the US Navy is55600:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.160



going to come to support Taiwan and push back China.55700:31:57.200 --> 00:32:02.160



Why is that? Because China taking over Taiwan is not55800:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.359



just a military thing, it's an economic situation. The moment55900:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.960



they're successful within Taiwan, there is a complete blockade of56000:32:11.000 --> 00:32:15.119



the South China Sea. This is the the highest trafficked56100:32:15.319 --> 00:32:21.720



maritime economic plat economic system in the world. Every almost56200:32:21.799 --> 00:32:26.039



every supply chain moves through the South China Sea. At56300:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.200



that moment when there's a blockade, the United States is56400:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.279



no longer the top economy in the world. They are56500:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.720



then the fourth economy in the world, the fourth going56600:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.200



from the top to the fourth, that is a complete56700:32:39.880 --> 00:32:43.960



defeat for the Trump administration, who has an America first policy.56800:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.680



America should be first.56900:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.880



Yeah, wells us falling from first to fourth was something57000:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.720



that started long ago, present before President Trump. You know,57100:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.480



decisions I.57200:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.039



Don't I don't agree with that, but it would be57300:32:59.079 --> 00:33:03.000



a direct result of not trying to help.57400:33:03.480 --> 00:33:05.160



That wasn't that wasn't mean to Fanne Troup, whether it57500:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.640



was just like years ago, those decisions were made to57600:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.880



offshore this, you know, manufacture this here cheaper, cheaper, cheaper,57700:33:10.920 --> 00:33:12.519



and then we gave it away so much that now57800:33:13.119 --> 00:33:18.599



it's no longer in our control, right, we just lost57900:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.119



our footing that that And also, you know recently because58000:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.200



you were just talking about how how valuable that that58100:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.799



area is with the South China see and all roads58200:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.839



of you know lead lead through or through there or58300:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.240



whatnot in terms of commerce. And then China just you know,58400:33:36.319 --> 00:33:41.359



announced and christened their new ports uh and roots. I58500:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.839



think it was in Peru. I want to say Peru.58600:33:44.240 --> 00:33:48.079



I might be wrong, but that gives them direct access58700:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.799



going going all the way through up into Brazil and58800:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.279



everything from what I read, and so now that just58900:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.079



solidifies basically what they're labeling the Silk Road to the59000:33:56.119 --> 00:34:00.319



sea or the ocean, so that they're already making oos59100:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.440



while we're being distracted. And yeah, we're just giving it59200:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.480



away unfortunately, but China, I have a feeling we're gonna59300:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.079



be talking about that later down the road. Okay, I'm very.59400:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.760



Sorry to bring sorry to bring that, but it's all no,59500:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.400



it's entire geopolitical interplay related.59600:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.800



And I want I asked you because because if you59700:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.079



look at the relationships and who's the allies, it's like59800:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.199



we have to ask that question. Okay, well Putin's doing this,59900:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.119



but what what is China doing because they're they're an ally. Well,60000:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.320



if allies are supposed to back each other and protect60100:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.119



each other, we have to ask that question. We cannot60200:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.320



say that they're just gonna sit on the sidelines. There's60300:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.360



no there's no way. So it's a very important question60400:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.559



ask and really good that you explained that situation because60500:34:42.559 --> 00:34:46.400



we gotta we got to keep tabs on that for sure. Well,60600:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.639



if we if we we go back, let's go back60700:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.599



into Russia. That though the situation that you Okay, you60800:34:52.639 --> 00:34:53.840



were going to say it earlier, but I kind of60900:34:53.840 --> 00:35:00.920



halt you about then Biden's timing, you know, so oh yeah, yeah, yeah,61000:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.559



because Trump president elect hasn't even taken office yet, and61100:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.119



then all of a sudden, Biden makes it. Well, allegedly61200:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.719



Biden makes this decision. And what were you going to61300:35:09.760 --> 00:35:11.559



say on that you had something that you want to do.61400:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.559



Yeah, I do, thank you, thank you for letting me61500:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.440



do that, because a lot of the places I don't61600:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.119



get to to, you know, get off my chest what61700:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.000



I want to. So I really think there's something I61800:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.079



wanted to say on NTD when I did my new spot,61900:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.719



but I didn't get a chance to, which is that this.62000:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.320



I do think it was Biden. I know he doesn't62100:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.320



make a lot of decisions, but stick with me on62200:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.400



this one. I think it was Biden that decided to62300:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.639



do this. And the reason why is because he's got62400:35:43.639 --> 00:35:48.440



a legacy issue here. All with all the bluster about Biden,62500:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.320



you know, everybody this microwave nation, and so everybody on62600:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.400



the left is like, Biden's the best president that ever happened.62700:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.840



Look at the economy, Look at all of this. He62800:35:57.960 --> 00:36:02.880



understands realistically he's going to go down as the president62900:36:03.119 --> 00:36:09.119



that left Afghanistan in shambles. He left Ukraine to lose63000:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.159



in the war with Russia. He let China become more63100:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.559



active in the South China Sea and the Indo Pacific.63200:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.800



That's going to be his legacy and he needs to63300:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.440



change it for the better. And so I think the63400:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.320



allowing So it's my opinion that the allowing of these63500:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.599



attack ons missiles to be used deeper in Russian territory63600:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.960



is a legacy response. He wants to show that historically. Look,63700:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.079



we did have the Ukrainians back. We did allow them63800:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.360



to use these munitions. Yeah it's too late, sorry, but63900:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.440



we did do it, and we had to wrestle with64000:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.679



that because we didn't want a nuclear war to happen.64100:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.079



I don't think it was a direct response to Donald64200:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.920



Trump being elected in office to make his administration work64300:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.960



harder to stop the war. I think it was a64400:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.880



response to Kamala Harris losing and so the Biden administration64500:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.440



not being able to continue their policy and try to64600:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.039



see this war out. So what I'm saying here is64700:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.480



I do believe that if Kamala Harris did win the election,64800:37:17.280 --> 00:37:23.800



that we would have seen this happen post inauguration in January,64900:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.079



Kamala Harris would announce it. She would announce all these65000:37:28.639 --> 00:37:33.639



full force of the US military support in Ukraine to65100:37:33.719 --> 00:37:37.760



help push back to push back Russia. So time was65200:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.800



of the essence here, and so he made that decision.65300:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.480



I think that decision started. So those conversations started to65400:37:44.519 --> 00:37:50.960



happen two weeks ago as soon as Donald Trump was65500:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.320



seen to be the victor in this election. And it65600:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.639



takes everything with the government. It takes time to formulate65700:37:57.639 --> 00:38:01.199



that opinion, get it to your cabinet, have them approve it,65800:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.039



and then send that over. So I think that was65900:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.159



the process. I don't think it had anything to do66000:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.639



with we want to make the Trump administration a failure66100:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.480



in the future, so to do that, let's start a war,66200:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.800



Let's start World War three. I don't think it had66300:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.320



anything to do with World War three. I think it66400:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.719



just was putin's a bully. What you have to do66500:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.320



to a bully is punch them in the face and66600:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.559



see what happens, See what their reaction is. Because nine66700:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.960



times out of ten a bully's reaction is not going66800:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.199



to be what they say. They say they're going to66900:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.119



kill you and hurt your family and do all of67000:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.679



this stuff. Typically you punch them in the face and67100:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.840



they have no reaction to it, and they go with67200:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.000



their tailtuch between their legs and they run on right.67300:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.119



They don't know what to do. I like that assessment.67400:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.320



I like it too. I don't like the other side.67500:38:44.440 --> 00:38:48.079



Yeah, it does raise questions though, like what I'm not saying.67600:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.280



I'm not saying it may not be the right response,67700:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.400



but why now, Like that's that's been my whole thing.67800:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.599



That's been my whole problem, mostly with the Biden administration.67900:38:58.800 --> 00:39:03.159



We get into politics, but as far as decisions like this,68000:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.880



why did they wait so long? I mean, well, that's68100:39:06.920 --> 00:39:07.360



the reason.68200:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.400



Question they thought they were having they were going to68300:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.159



have another administration. I think internally the Democratic Party said,68400:39:16.159 --> 00:39:20.079



and listen, they're they're okay, they're very smart people because68500:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.599



they're they're gotten empower and they're their empower. But they're68600:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.360



idiots because they have they just succumbed to their worldview68700:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.000



and in their echo chambers and in their worldview, Trump68800:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.599



had no chance to win this election. Now you get68900:39:33.599 --> 00:39:37.280



outside your echo Chamber, and you start looking at Pennsylvania69000:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.559



and you drive through the rural counties of Pennsylvania and69100:39:40.599 --> 00:39:43.760



you see the Trump signs and you see the increase69200:39:44.320 --> 00:39:49.480



in support for Donald Trump. We listen, I saw it.69300:39:50.039 --> 00:39:51.760



I'm sure you saw it. We didn't. I don't think69400:39:51.800 --> 00:39:56.199



we had the conversations about it, but no, we My69500:39:56.199 --> 00:40:00.719



my exact opinion on this was whoever wins Pennsylvania the election.69600:40:01.239 --> 00:40:04.719



It's that was Buddy's assessment, really, yep.69700:40:05.159 --> 00:40:12.119



And I don't think if Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania is69800:40:12.159 --> 00:40:18.639



she also wins Michigan in Wisconsin, right, and that puts69900:40:18.679 --> 00:40:21.880



her over the edge. But what I saw are people,70000:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.719



and what I heard were people from Pennsylvania who said,70100:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.360



I'm fed up with what's going on in politics. I70200:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.239



don't want a politician anymore. I want a businessman. That's70300:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.880



what they see Donald J. Trump as I see Trump70400:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.760



as a political businessman, being that he says the things70500:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.880



that his people want to hear, and he can kind70600:40:42.920 --> 00:40:46.119



of frame things in a way to make people vote70700:40:46.119 --> 00:40:49.480



for him and listen to him. But and that's what70800:40:49.519 --> 00:40:51.599



the people of Pennsylvania said, and they came out in70900:40:51.719 --> 00:40:56.599



droves in support of him. That's what happened. I don't71000:40:56.599 --> 00:40:58.960



think the Democratic Party, I don't think the Biden administration71100:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.639



thought that was going to happen. They trusted their internal71200:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.800



polling that had Kamala Harris up by two percent three71300:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.639



percent in Michigan, and they said, hey, we're going to71400:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.760



do this, and once you're in office, you now have71500:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.199



this and you can go support Ukraine in every way71600:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.440



that you want. And they were going to allow after71700:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.960



January twentieth, on the inauguration, they were going to allow71800:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.559



the munitions to be used. Because if they did it,71900:41:28.320 --> 00:41:32.559



let's say they do it in September before the election,72000:41:33.920 --> 00:41:39.440



that then you start losing percentage points from the Kamala72100:41:39.480 --> 00:41:42.480



Harris Because Kamala Harris campaign was just an offshoot of72200:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.400



the Biden campaign. Everyone knew her administration was going to72300:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.159



be the Biden administration. And so you have that happen72400:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.519



and then you have putin saying listen, I'm going to72500:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.519



use nuclear weapons. There is a majority of people, not72600:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.920



a majority. There is a percentage of people who still72700:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.639



voted for Kamala harris Is in this election that would72800:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.400



not have voted for her if they did that. If72900:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.559



the Biden administration allowed the attackers to be used.73000:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.280



So okay. So from a from a politically a strategic73100:42:12.320 --> 00:42:17.920



point of view, that all makes sense. And the issue73200:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.800



I have is not an argument, it's more of a73300:42:19.840 --> 00:42:25.159



why because it's it's showing, okay, if they were concerned that,73400:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.840



if they did this, but we're just gonna keep saying73500:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.480



the Biden administration, because that's right. If they're that concern73600:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.280



about nuclear war. It's almost as after saying, well now73700:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.320



that I'm out, I don't care anymore if it happens,73800:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.679



fucking right, But I don't think you can see it's.73900:42:41.480 --> 00:42:46.320



I don't think it's about actual nuclear No, no, I'm74000:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.039



just trying to think it's about yeah, the rumors of74100:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.039



nuclear war, and those rumors would play out, and the74200:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.400



Republican Party and the Trump the Trump campaign would be74300:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.800



blasting ads about look what the Biden.74400:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.320



Ministry Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, understood.74500:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.320



We can also get onto why France wouldn't let the Ukrainians.74600:43:07.360 --> 00:43:11.039



So France's long range missiles actually reach further. They can74700:43:11.079 --> 00:43:16.639



reach Moscow. The attackers cannot reach Moscow where they're currently positioned,74800:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.920



but French munitions can. The UK can go further. Their74900:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.920



munitions can go further than the attacking, So why why75000:43:23.000 --> 00:43:24.880



didn't France do it? Why did they wait for the75100:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.079



United States to do this? I think that's a conversation75200:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.480



that needs to be had within NATO. Who is really75300:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.320



supporting NATO? Well, what's the United States understood?75400:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.039



So going back to what I was going to say,75500:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.320



is the optics here, Basically, I guess we should have75600:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.199



framed it. It looks as if you know, they cared75700:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.880



but now don't. And if we were in full support75800:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.400



of Ukraine winning, it's almost like we sh just stepped75900:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.000



in and said, hey, look, here's your munitions. Let's just76000:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.960



get this done instead of letting it go on for76100:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.760



so long. That's that's what I'm trying to say, you know.76200:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.280



I mean, look, if everybody.76300:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.320



Politics gets in the way of what I'm trying to76400:44:03.360 --> 00:44:04.960



get is, it gets in the way of things that76500:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.480



are as important as is what I'm saying. So I've76600:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.440



taken along road around to get my point.76700:44:10.400 --> 00:44:15.880



I also say, hey, if you're really that worried, why76800:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.159



don't you like I said this on NTD, I said,76900:44:20.400 --> 00:44:25.079



is the US military the greatest, most powerful, most agile77000:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.480



force across the globe? Are we or are we affeckless77100:44:29.639 --> 00:44:34.559



military that won't do anything, And right now we're looking feckless.77200:44:34.559 --> 00:44:40.199



A good point, because yeah, who cares what Russia is77300:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.280



going to do. We are the greatest fighting force in77400:44:43.320 --> 00:44:48.360



the world. Put those and I'm not, no, I'm not,77500:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.719



This is not what I'm I'm hoping for. Listen, I77600:44:50.760 --> 00:44:56.360



was in war. I understand war. But we have an77700:44:56.519 --> 00:45:02.000



entire military base, in military industrial complex, a military base77800:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.920



that has gone through twenty years of war. We understand77900:45:06.000 --> 00:45:10.159



how war affects US and war works. And you're not78000:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.840



going to put that fighting force against the Russians who78100:45:13.840 --> 00:45:18.280



couldn't push back Ukrainians in Kiev, just because you're scared78200:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.280



of nuclear weapons being useless at the moment, it looks78300:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.239



like the US military could get in defeat the Russian78400:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.360



military and take those nuclear weapons out of the equation,78500:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.320



but we never tried to do that. And now so78600:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.880



that's just the US fighting force. Bring NATO into the conversation,78700:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.000



and now you start to see why Putin is scared78800:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.960



of NATO, and he is scared of NATO. But I78900:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.599



don't think Putin never wants to go to war with NATO.79000:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.119



He would absolutely if it was just Russia versus NATO,79100:45:49.440 --> 00:45:54.000



they'd be absolutely destroyed. If it's NATO all the allies79200:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.159



in NATO versus Russia and all of their allies, who79300:45:57.239 --> 00:45:58.360



are the Russian allies?79400:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.800



You're destroyed and has just been picking them up part lately,79500:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.360



you know, with right with their their attacks on their79600:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.280



strategic locations and their basis.79700:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.079



So what are we doing here? Like, what conversation? I'm79800:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.000



not you and not you and me. I'm talking about79900:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.239



on a political level. He what conversations are we actually happening? Uh?80000:46:20.280 --> 00:46:24.880



I get it. Our our fighting force is tired and weary,80100:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.039



and we don't want to go to a war again.80200:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.199



But leave it to the Americans that if a war80300:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.119



happens and we're called, we're going to go full steam80400:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.320



in battle and we're going to destroy the opposition. I80500:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.039



just had this conversation at work today about when you80600:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.719



ask somebody or when you're talking to somebody, they always say, well,80700:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.440



when what was the last war that the United States won? Right?80800:46:51.199 --> 00:46:55.519



Because we've got Vietnam, the debacle's there, We've got the80900:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.599



Iraq War, the complete debacle of Afghanistan. Let's we won81000:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.679



all of those wars? Wars I'm talking war, the actual fight,81100:47:05.480 --> 00:47:11.920



the fight, so troops, the military wins the battles. We81200:47:11.960 --> 00:47:16.559



absolutely won every single battle. Politicians then come in and81300:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.400



they either win or lose the war with cease fire81400:47:19.480 --> 00:47:24.320



deals and keys agreements and all it gets mucked up.81500:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.639



And I made this point that when did the Iraq81600:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.760



War end? Because you say we didn't win the Iraq War.81700:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.920



You could say whatever you want about whether we should81800:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.960



have gone in or not. That's a totally different conversation.81900:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.079



We could probably talk on it for seven hours and82000:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.199



I could give you Mindlitario opinion.82100:47:40.280 --> 00:47:41.199



A long time ago.82200:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.000



And we were just two thousand and four. George W.82300:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.159



Bush said, mission accomplished. He went on the aircraft carrier.82400:47:47.280 --> 00:47:48.639



Did that the war was won?82500:47:48.840 --> 00:47:49.119



Yes?82600:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.800



At that point, Saddam Hussein had been captured. The entire82700:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.400



Iraqi military was gone, Their government was gone. If you82800:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.599



leave at that point and tell the Iraqis you got82900:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.599



to build it yourself, guys, whatever you do, that's fine.83000:48:04.039 --> 00:48:05.679



Are we going to be back in Iraq in five83100:48:05.719 --> 00:48:10.039



to ten years? Probably, But we've won that war. Afghanistan83200:48:10.719 --> 00:48:14.280



was the forgotten war for a decade after we got83300:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.480



there because we ran rough shot through the Taliban. They83400:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.920



had nothing except for little pop shots that they were83500:48:20.960 --> 00:48:26.559



sending until this Afghanistan withdrawal, which was so I don't83600:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.159



think it should have ever happened, and it was so83700:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.599



long and drawn out, and we gave the Taliban all83800:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.559



the information that it was happening, so of course they83900:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.400



were going to muck it up. The golf the first84000:48:37.440 --> 00:48:44.480



Golf War, complete destruction of the iraqis. The Vietnam War84100:48:45.199 --> 00:48:53.440



became a peacekeeping ordeal long before or directly after the84200:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.639



US won all those battles. The problem was the insurgency.84300:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.000



So you're not in a war, you're in a conflict84400:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.239



with an insurgency. And that's where we get into issues84500:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.719



when the US military should not be a peace keeping force.84600:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.159



It should not. We're not trained to do that, and84700:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.760



so when things like a terrorist insurgency pops up in Iraq,84800:49:15.000 --> 00:49:16.480



we don't know how to deal with it except to84900:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.280



kill people, and then ultimately you kill civilians and then85000:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.400



it becomes what we had for two decades in the85100:49:23.400 --> 00:49:29.199



global War on terrorism. So you Russian pro Russian accounts85200:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.480



can push out, how when was the last time the85300:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.760



US won a war? Well, it was every time. Name85400:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.679



a time that we lost a war, not a conflict,85500:49:38.760 --> 00:49:45.760



not a political diplomatic peace deal. We just didn't because85600:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.400



we have the greatest fighting force, people that I work85700:49:48.480 --> 00:49:52.880



with day in and day out, who if you push them,85800:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.039



they're not going to retreat. They're going to come at85900:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.400



you with the full force. So we just got to86000:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.599



stop being skilled shared of what Russia is going to86100:50:01.679 --> 00:50:02.880



do forget about it.86200:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.960



Yeah, I agree with you there. I think what people86300:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.960



are scared of is the the word that keeps getting86400:50:09.960 --> 00:50:13.880



tossed around, which is nuclear. Yeah, you know, because nobody86500:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.760



wants that, and it's understandable that people would be scared86600:50:15.800 --> 00:50:18.119



of that. But you're right. I mean, in the end,86700:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.519



I've always thought, personally, I'm gonna be honest, I agree86800:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.920



with you completely. If we just if we just send86900:50:24.920 --> 00:50:29.440



strategic strategic forces in there to really just surgically go87000:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.880



in and take care of things, they would do it. Russia.87100:50:31.920 --> 00:50:33.840



Russia wouldn't be able to stop it, just be honest,87200:50:33.920 --> 00:50:38.000



they wouldn't. And so I agree with you on that. Listen,87300:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.239



decisions were made I think mostly for optics and politics.87400:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.800



Really absolutely, I mean, if we really really cared, if87500:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.719



we really really really cared, I'm not saying you don't87600:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.039



care or you know, just saying the situation we're in87700:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.679



right now. If America really cared, our leaders cared, this87800:50:53.719 --> 00:50:57.400



would have already been handled. Putin would have been sitting87900:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.960



back at his desk pondering his decisions and you know,88000:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.599



figuring out what he's gonna do to move forward. But hey,88100:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.760



here we are now, and so, yes, people are scared,88200:51:05.840 --> 00:51:10.119



and they keep tossing around the nuclear war thing. In88300:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.960



your opinion, you don't think that's gonna happen. I I88400:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.800



I'm just gonna have the greatest asset.88500:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.760



If he uses it, He's lost all of his bargaining chips.88600:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.760



Yeah, that's all he has to be honest, that is88700:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.679



exactly all he has to keep everybody you know at Bay.88800:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.840



Do you so, let's let's go into the reasoning on88900:51:28.039 --> 00:51:29.920



why this even happened. Do you think do you think89000:51:29.960 --> 00:51:33.719



that maybe Putin felt he was backed into a corner89100:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.960



and had to react because of feeling it being encroached89200:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.280



by NATO or encroached on by NATO, And.89300:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.239



Yeah, it's an interesting it's an it's an interesting question.89400:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.440



And I'm in this by strategically, you know, aligning or89500:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.159



bringing you know, nations into the fold, NATO around the89600:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.159



borders like slowly just kind of Yeah.89700:51:53.000 --> 00:51:56.760



Something he's talked about for since he's ever been in89800:51:56.840 --> 00:52:02.199



office is that he is protecting So he's protecting his89900:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.480



people from that encroachment from NATO, and he can message90000:52:07.519 --> 00:52:13.400



that and I absolutely agree that he messages that quite well. Now,90100:52:14.199 --> 00:52:19.480



my issue with all of that is NATO has never90200:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.199



and correct me if I am wrong, and I don't never.90300:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.199



I don't like to use never because then something happens.90400:52:26.679 --> 00:52:33.760



But NATO has never instigated a conflict in its entire organization. Right.90500:52:33.800 --> 00:52:36.519



The only time NATO Article five was used was after90600:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.360



the nine to eleven attacks. That was because, you know,90700:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.840



so I'm bin Lauden decided that America is the Great90800:52:41.880 --> 00:52:45.599



Satan and he was going to attack it and destroy90900:52:45.679 --> 00:52:48.360



the Twin Towers in New York and the Pentagon and91000:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.360



try to make a play for the White House. That's91100:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.639



when NATO got involved. When the Iraq War happened, NATO91200:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.800



didn't get involved. They didn't they they said, hey, we're91300:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.280



out of this, this is your war, y goo. That's91400:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.760



what got France. Remember we call them freedom Fries, not91500:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.079



French fries. Because France say, we have no agreement that91600:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.239



says we have to help you guys, and we don't91700:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.119



want to get involved in a war. So NATO's never91800:53:14.239 --> 00:53:19.000



in its inception, it has never started a conflict. It91900:53:19.039 --> 00:53:23.320



has never instigated a conflict. Yep, it's put itself. It's92000:53:23.320 --> 00:53:26.400



put itself around the borders of Russia. But that is92100:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.119



because the countries bordering Russia, a lot of especially a92200:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.360



lot of the Soviet former Soviet Union countries are scared.92300:53:34.880 --> 00:53:39.000



I've talked to the Polish people. They are absolutely terrified92400:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.119



that Russia would come in and start another USSR, another92500:53:43.159 --> 00:53:50.039



Soviet Union or United Soviet Republic. And that's because a92600:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.880



lot of those people in Poland remember the eighties. They92700:53:53.920 --> 00:53:58.079



remember when the USSR was active and how terrible their92800:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.719



lives were. I'm sorry, Bernie Sanders, standing in a breadline92900:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.000



is not a good thing. I know this because not93000:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.800



that I've sat in a breadline, or Bernie Sanders has93100:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.239



sat in a breadline. But I've talked to the people93200:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.920



who have stood there and have had to deal with that.93300:54:13.000 --> 00:54:14.639



I don't, and they're absolutely terrified.93400:54:14.679 --> 00:54:16.679



I think Bernie's ever worked in his life. He's been93500:54:16.679 --> 00:54:17.599



a policy he hasn't.93600:54:17.800 --> 00:54:22.039



He got kicked out of a of a commune in Vermont.93700:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.199



I mean, because he did not work for.93800:54:25.239 --> 00:54:28.320



A guy who's who's against corporate greed and everything. He's93900:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.679



he became a multi millionaire as just being a politician,94000:54:31.760 --> 00:54:33.679



but he put everything in his wife's name, so he's94100:54:33.760 --> 00:54:34.880



you know, he has immunity, right.94200:54:35.039 --> 00:54:36.719



Well, he also wrote a book, so if you want94300:54:36.760 --> 00:54:38.920



to get if you want to make money, write a book.94400:54:39.000 --> 00:54:44.039



That's what he is. But but yeah, they're absolutely terrified94500:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.280



that the Russia would do that.94600:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.000



Well, I brought this up because I've heard that theory94700:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.199



and it kind of makes sense on the surface. But94800:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.400



at the same time, you know, after after the USSR94900:54:55.639 --> 00:55:00.440



was disbanded, for the most part, it was done. Everything95000:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.440



we're set and it's been set for a while. So95100:55:02.719 --> 00:55:04.519



it's it's as if Putin's just really using that as95200:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.119



an excuse more than anything, you know, to do what95300:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.880



he's doing. He wants his territories back, he wants to95400:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.719



recreate the good old days, the grand old days of Russia.95500:55:13.480 --> 00:55:18.079



Absolutely that his land, right, So that's what he's that's95600:55:18.119 --> 00:55:19.880



what he's really doing. He's he's an excuse, But people95700:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.199



are unfortunately buying into just like all poor Putin, we're95800:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.320



provoking him. We're the ones that it's our fault, it's95900:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.679



NATO's fault. And you're right. NATO only got involved, uh96000:55:27.800 --> 00:55:30.360



together on nine to eleven. It hasn't been anytime since.96100:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.280



The only time I've ever heard of them ever being96200:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.119



involved was basically for monitoring and control of a situation,96300:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.679



maybe supportin nation who might need something, but not really96400:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.119



directly involving troops per see.96500:55:42.199 --> 00:55:46.000



I believe they got involved in Bosnia as a peacekeeping force.96600:55:46.039 --> 00:55:47.679



I know the US did that was there in the96700:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.840



Clinton administration outside of that, But was war absolutely right, No,96800:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.559



it was not a wartime effort. It was a conflict.96900:55:57.519 --> 00:56:01.519



Yeah, or like conflict management, if that right? Exactly, they don't.97000:56:01.880 --> 00:56:03.960



And the thinking there is we don't want it to97100:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.400



spill over in our borders, so let's try to keep97200:56:07.400 --> 00:56:09.840



this contained and do what we can. And that's the97300:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.039



same exact thing that's going on in Ukraine right now.97400:56:12.440 --> 00:56:14.760



We want to keep this contained. So it's why NATO97500:56:14.880 --> 00:56:19.519



isn't getting involved militarily, but they're supporting Ukraine because they're saying,97600:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.360



we don't want this to bleed over into a conflict97700:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.760



outside of Ukraine's borders, and the thought is at some97800:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.639



point it would reach Poland. But they're they're looking at97900:56:29.679 --> 00:56:33.760



Moldova in Georgia and non NATO countries that were former98000:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.920



Soviet Union countries that are being manipulated by Russia right now,98100:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.119



and those I've said it for two years now, Moldova98200:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.719



is the next country. If Ukraine for Russia is successful,98300:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.920



then they can take over Ukraine. Moldova's the next country98400:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.079



because it's smaller, Their military is not going to be98500:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.440



able to handle a Russian movement, and they've got Transnistria,98600:56:54.840 --> 00:56:59.800



which is a Russian or enclave right there that they98700:56:59.800 --> 00:57:03.800



can and then stage troops and invade Moldova immediately. That's98800:57:03.840 --> 00:57:08.039



the next country to look for. But Poland's there. They're98900:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.239



the first NATO country to be attacked. The Poland's strong,99000:57:11.119 --> 00:57:14.719



and yeah, Poland's got a strong Trump line here. Their99100:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.880



military is beautiful, It's beautiful, lovely military, and.99200:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.039



And that's I think that's the real key to what's99300:57:21.039 --> 00:57:24.199



going on here with watching Ukraine, how they handle things99400:57:24.239 --> 00:57:26.440



if they can win, because if they fall, there's nothing99500:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.079



really going to stop Russia from being emboldened to just99600:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.039



keep moving on to like you said, these other nations,99700:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.199



to tap them, bring them into the fold. So you're saying,99800:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.360



let's stop worrying about nuclear war. It's not gonna happen,99900:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.559



because realistically, if America really wanted to, it would just100000:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.679



end it, right, we would just go in there and say, look, no,100100:57:45.800 --> 00:57:46.360



not happening.100200:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.119



I mean, I think, like I said, nuclear weapons are100300:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.719



a last hitch effort for anybody. But by that point,100400:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.880



you're at the point where it's like everyone around him100500:57:57.920 --> 00:58:02.679



can stop it for their own benefit, right, Like like100600:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.519



Belarus they have the nuclear weapons, they can see Putin100700:58:06.599 --> 00:58:11.360



Pact backed in the corner on life support and go, yeah,100800:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.159



I know you said that, but there's gonna be a100900:58:13.159 --> 00:58:15.559



new administration coming into Russia. We're going to see how101000:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.280



that plays out before we actually destroy the entire world.101100:58:20.400 --> 00:58:27.559



Every nuclear war game ends in complete world collapse, society collapses.101200:58:27.800 --> 00:58:34.320



That's good for nobody. But the fear of nuclear war101300:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.800



actually helps more than actual nuclear war. Who what do101400:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.159



I say? It helps? That helps putin because if you101500:58:42.239 --> 00:58:47.000



can keep saber rattling nuclear saber rattling, fear mongering, this101600:58:47.079 --> 00:58:48.880



is gonna be We're gonna go to nuclear war. We're101700:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.199



gonna go to nuclear war. You know, it's just like101800:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.920



it's like this. Have you ever seen the it's not101900:58:57.000 --> 00:59:02.079



a theory. There was a study done that even houses102000:59:02.639 --> 00:59:06.920



with the sign that says we have a security system102100:59:07.960 --> 00:59:13.239



have a lower rate of criminal activity than like, so102200:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.159



they don't have a security system, but they just have102300:59:15.239 --> 00:59:18.760



that sign. ADT simply say, I'm not going to advertise102400:59:18.840 --> 00:59:24.159



for anybody, but just that sign. They don't have a102500:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.280



security system in place, but they have a sign that102600:59:26.320 --> 00:59:30.800



says this house was protected by ADT or whatever. They102700:59:30.840 --> 00:59:33.880



have a lower rate of break ins than a house102800:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.559



that otherwise would not have that sign there. That's this102900:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.039



nuclear posturing, Hey, we have nuclear weapons, don't attack us.103000:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.280



It was the whole reason that Saddam Hussein wouldn't admit103100:59:46.039 --> 00:59:50.760



to not having weapons of mass destruction. As part of103200:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.519



the conversation that I get with about going into erect103300:59:53.519 --> 00:59:58.239



did Saddam Hussein have weapons of mass destruction? Absolutely? Because103400:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.400



he had chemical biological weapons. I consider those weapons of103501:00:01.400 --> 01:00:04.440



mass destruction. He used it on his people that showed103601:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.199



he had it. The world sees weapons of mass destruction103701:00:08.920 --> 01:00:12.639



as nuclear weapons, and so if Saddam Hussein says, well, no,103801:00:12.719 --> 01:00:15.400



we don't have nuclear weapons. They had just gotten done103901:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.239



with a war in Iran. With Iran, Iran did not104001:00:18.360 --> 01:00:22.280



like Iraq at that time. They didn't like the Saddam104101:00:22.360 --> 01:00:26.599



Hussein administration, and they were looking for a reason to104201:00:26.760 --> 01:00:31.920



attack Iraq. Saddam Hussein understood that, and he said, hey,104301:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.960



I can't confirm or deny if we have weapons of104401:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.920



mass destruction for that simple fact, because if I admit104501:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.360



it that we don't have nuclear weapons, Iran's coming after me.104601:00:43.840 --> 01:00:47.000



So the threat that I just might. So this is104701:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.320



just an Iraq that says a Saddam Hussein that goes,104801:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.599



hey I might have nuclear weapons. Don't come after me104901:00:53.920 --> 01:00:57.280



because I might have them. Now you have Russia. Putin105001:00:57.400 --> 01:01:01.679



has nuclear weapons, and he says, hey, I might use them.105101:01:01.960 --> 01:01:04.360



That's a deterrent. That's what the US is trying to105201:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.320



do with China is be a deterrent to that, to105301:01:07.400 --> 01:01:12.079



that conflict. Putin's using it very effectively. He's getting exactly105401:01:12.119 --> 01:01:13.280



what he wants by using that.105501:01:13.400 --> 01:01:17.000



Well, and I can undert I understand that, I understand,105601:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.920



I understand this whole game they're playing with. I got it.105701:01:20.000 --> 01:01:21.679



You got it. You know if you shoot me, I'll105801:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.719



shoot I get it, you know. And that's the one105901:01:23.719 --> 01:01:26.320



thing that's kept the world kind of at at bay106001:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.840



from you know, killing each other off entirely. There's all106101:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.920



You're always going to have to have fear and play106201:01:32.000 --> 01:01:33.280



to keep things at bay.106301:01:33.440 --> 01:01:33.800



Period.106401:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.440



And I get what you're saying, Uh, I want to106501:01:37.440 --> 01:01:40.760



I want to move on to what's been rumored about106601:01:41.280 --> 01:01:45.239



Russia possibly sharing nuclear weapons of technology with North Korea.106701:01:45.280 --> 01:01:46.480



Do you think that's going on or is that just106801:01:46.519 --> 01:01:46.960



a rumor?106901:01:47.400 --> 01:01:52.039



So so at this time, we don't know right that107001:01:52.039 --> 01:01:57.000



that goes into. And so from an intelligence community perspective,107101:01:59.159 --> 01:02:03.079



what why are North Korean troops in Russia right now107201:02:03.400 --> 01:02:08.199



where there's a you scratch my back, I scratch your back, right?107301:02:09.239 --> 01:02:12.679



So Kim Jong un says, we're going to provide soldiers107401:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.360



in the cursed region to fight back against Ukraine so107501:02:16.400 --> 01:02:18.719



that you don't have to use your own troops. You're107601:02:18.760 --> 01:02:21.320



going to need to give me something. And there's theories107701:02:21.360 --> 01:02:26.079



behind what sort of military capabilities they've had. Nuclear weapons107801:02:26.159 --> 01:02:30.280



is a big one. That's a scary one because North107901:02:30.360 --> 01:02:35.000



Korea being a full on nuclear power is very dangerous108001:02:35.079 --> 01:02:36.880



because they have Kim Jong un Kim Jong un is108101:02:36.920 --> 01:02:40.280



a wild card in the geopolitical space. He is if108201:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.199



anybody is going to use it, it's that guy. Take108301:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.840



it from Take it from the intelligence community who's been108401:02:47.880 --> 01:02:53.559



tracking him and his family. Their entire trajectory. Worse, his108501:02:53.559 --> 01:03:00.559



sister's worse. This is my thing on when hey, let's108601:03:00.639 --> 01:03:04.199



kill this despot, let's kill this this guy. So what's108701:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.079



the alternative? Right, Usually the alternative is worse than the108801:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.639



actual guy that's in power. That is scary. His sister108901:03:12.800 --> 01:03:19.400



is far worse than he is. And so I would109001:03:19.400 --> 01:03:23.159



say scarier for me than the nuclear technology, which I109101:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.599



Russia may be helping out, but not enough to give109201:03:27.639 --> 01:03:32.519



them a nuclear weapon that could be utilized long range,109301:03:32.559 --> 01:03:36.159



because Russia also understands if they do something or putin109401:03:36.199 --> 01:03:39.119



even if he does something wrong to North Korea, they109501:03:39.159 --> 01:03:43.480



could just go, oh, thanks for that nuclear weapon, now109601:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.000



we're turning it on you. That's the kind of fear109701:03:46.039 --> 01:03:47.079



that that's in place.109801:03:47.440 --> 01:03:50.360



I think smart enough to see that he's a volatile109901:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.559



he's an asset, but you know, an allied with volatile best.110001:03:54.119 --> 01:03:55.280



So what's scarier than that?110101:03:56.119 --> 01:03:56.360



To me?110201:03:57.079 --> 01:04:02.639



It's and this is probably what is being what they're110301:04:02.760 --> 01:04:06.280



what Russia is transferring into North Korea, which is the110401:04:06.360 --> 01:04:12.320



satellite technology. So Russia's space program is far advanced, far110501:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.280



more advanced than North Korea. They're on par with the110601:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.320



United States and China as far as satellite technology. And110701:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.000



North Korea has had this issue of getting spy satellites110801:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.440



into the atmosphere. They cannot get their satellites up there,110901:04:24.480 --> 01:04:28.800



which would help them kind of not kind of, but111001:04:28.800 --> 01:04:34.239



it would help them view South Korea and Japan. So111101:04:34.480 --> 01:04:37.840



it would gain intelligence from South Korea and Japan if111201:04:37.880 --> 01:04:39.239



they could just get it into the.111301:04:39.239 --> 01:04:43.599



Atmosphere sense actually, so that's where.111401:04:43.400 --> 01:04:47.400



We're we're going to be seeing. And then in that case,111501:04:48.880 --> 01:04:52.800



spy satellites are used North Korea, who has been far111601:04:53.119 --> 01:04:56.719



more aggressive on the Korean Peninsula than they had been111701:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.559



in the past. If they decide that every nobody else111801:05:00.679 --> 01:05:04.239



is looking away, China just invaded this is a future scenario.111901:05:04.400 --> 01:05:07.920



China just invaded Taiwan. We're all talking about that. Russia, Ukraine,112001:05:08.199 --> 01:05:10.800



blah blah blah. Can we do can we make a112101:05:10.840 --> 01:05:14.079



push for South Korea? They could have that thought based112201:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.480



off intelligence that they gained from their spy satellites that112301:05:16.559 --> 01:05:20.079



Russia helped them with At that point North Korean Kim112401:05:20.119 --> 01:05:22.719



Jong un or his sister or his daughter, if that's112501:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.400



that far in the future, could then go to Russia112601:05:25.480 --> 01:05:29.320



and say, look, we helped you. Now we have this issue,112701:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.119



we need some support from your troops, we need some112801:05:32.239 --> 01:05:36.159



munitions from you, and you're gonna have to help us112901:05:36.159 --> 01:05:40.199



because we helped you. That's a scary I thought.113001:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.679



I feel as far as North Korea South Korea goes,113101:05:42.719 --> 01:05:47.599



I always I always think, and I'm proud I could113201:05:47.639 --> 01:05:49.960



be wrong. So I'm not in the intelligence community. Just113301:05:50.119 --> 01:05:53.599



is just me gleaming what I can gather and put113401:05:53.639 --> 01:05:56.440



together in my own head. But it seems like Kim113501:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.760



John un has always been waiting for the opportunity for113601:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.239



everyone to be so distracted and involved that it would113701:06:02.280 --> 01:06:05.039



make it easier for him to invade South Korea if113801:06:05.039 --> 01:06:05.800



you ever had the chance.113901:06:05.840 --> 01:06:10.119



Yes, he's absolutely that's that's what he is waiting for.114001:06:11.199 --> 01:06:14.480



He is hoping everyone is distracted like we have. We've114101:06:14.480 --> 01:06:18.880



got Russia, Ukraine, Yeah, we've got Israel. Now he's got114201:06:18.880 --> 01:06:24.559



to be looking at that and going Okay. Hamas, which114301:06:24.559 --> 01:06:28.800



I would say miscalculated in their invasion of Israel in114401:06:28.840 --> 01:06:33.559



October of twenty twenty three, because as soon as that happened,114501:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.119



the world's eyes open back up to the Middle East.114601:06:36.599 --> 01:06:41.199



And so there was this timeframe, and I have to114701:06:41.199 --> 01:06:42.639



think about it a little bit more. It could have114801:06:42.639 --> 01:06:44.760



been six months to maybe a year where we just114901:06:44.800 --> 01:06:50.000



stopped talking about Ukraine. We didn't care about Ukraine because115001:06:50.320 --> 01:06:53.519



now we're on opposite sides of the Middle East conflict.115101:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.880



Israel has a right to defend itself. Israel is doing115201:06:57.920 --> 01:07:02.280



too much in Gaza, and you bring Hesbalah in and115301:07:02.320 --> 01:07:05.079



so North Korea looks at that and goes, Okay, whatever115401:07:05.239 --> 01:07:11.320



happened there, we can't we can't mirror that because if115501:07:11.360 --> 01:07:15.280



we do something similar and start a conflict that is115601:07:15.360 --> 01:07:19.719



globally interesting, the world's going to view us and we're115701:07:19.760 --> 01:07:22.199



going to lose that conflict. But if we can go115801:07:22.360 --> 01:07:28.599



under the radar and there's a big enough conflict like115901:07:28.679 --> 01:07:34.800



World War three, maybe where our little skirmish isn't really116001:07:34.840 --> 01:07:38.840



worried about, we might have a play for the Korean peninsula. Yeah,116101:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.760



that's all going to be affected by the intelligence gained116201:07:42.440 --> 01:07:43.920



through the support from Russia.116301:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.199



I was going to make another point about the Korean116401:07:46.199 --> 01:07:50.559



involvement so the rumor about them getting nuclear technology from116501:07:50.679 --> 01:07:55.000



Russia was one thing. And here's another factor. I don't know,116601:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.519



I don't know if it's if it's true. This is116701:07:58.599 --> 01:08:02.480



just a little theory here. Do you think that maybe116801:08:02.719 --> 01:08:04.159



North Korea could have been one of the allies that116901:08:04.239 --> 01:08:07.400



Russia could go to and push into this because I117001:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.960



know that I know that Russia supplies a lot them117101:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.320



and them and China both, but Russia does supply a117201:08:13.320 --> 01:08:15.719



lot of food to North Korea because North Korea doesn't117301:08:15.760 --> 01:08:17.399



really grow a lot of their own stuff. I mean,117401:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.880



they're in such turmoil over there in that nation. They're117501:08:20.920 --> 01:08:23.680



farming and everything's just horrible. And I know Russia supplies117601:08:23.720 --> 01:08:25.600



a lot of grain and a lot of a lot117701:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.319



of different supplies to North Korea. Do you think that117801:08:28.359 --> 01:08:29.840



could have been a bargaining chip as well?117901:08:30.760 --> 01:08:33.439



Yeah, so that was actually part of the bargaining chip.118001:08:34.560 --> 01:08:37.199



So that was the public thing that that was announced.118101:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.960



Was that I missed it. I didn't even know.118201:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.479



Yeah, so North Korea said, yeah, we're going to support118301:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.920



We're supporting Russia. Not from a they didn't they haven't118401:08:46.920 --> 01:08:51.960



admitted even yet that they're there militarily, but they did118501:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.800



say yes, we have a mutual So there's a mutual118601:08:54.840 --> 01:08:57.880



agreement that was signed in July that just came out118701:08:58.079 --> 01:09:02.880



publicly over the few weeks of this, this Russia North118801:09:02.960 --> 01:09:06.239



Korea agreement. The major part of that agreement is that118901:09:07.039 --> 01:09:08.680



it goes back to the U scratch my back, I'll119001:09:08.680 --> 01:09:12.479



scratch your back. It says if one of us is attacked,119101:09:12.840 --> 01:09:15.359



it's sort of the NATO Article five. If one of119201:09:15.439 --> 01:09:17.560



us is attacked, the other person is going to come119301:09:17.680 --> 01:09:23.039



to support militarily. The other part of that was Russia119401:09:23.199 --> 01:09:27.479



is going to continue to supply, believe like tax free119501:09:27.560 --> 01:09:33.359



or tari free grains and food and sort of sustenance119601:09:33.600 --> 01:09:36.840



to the North Koreans to continue to prop up their119701:09:36.880 --> 01:09:40.600



economy because their economies and shambles, they need to improve it.119801:09:41.000 --> 01:09:42.319



That was one of the parts of it.119901:09:42.479 --> 01:09:44.399



I didn't even I'd even I didn't even know that.120001:09:44.399 --> 01:09:47.239



I didn't even catch that that article or that report.120101:09:48.119 --> 01:09:50.840



Yeah, I mean it was so that would probably be120201:09:50.840 --> 01:09:52.960



because a lot of what the media reported on it.120301:09:53.000 --> 01:09:54.680



And then you know how I feel about the media.120401:09:54.720 --> 01:09:56.720



I guess I don't need to go in into that,120501:09:57.319 --> 01:10:02.640



but I don't like it. Guys. If anybody's wondering. Well,120601:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.479



but a lot of their headlines were, oh, this new pact,120701:10:06.840 --> 01:10:10.000



this is a new military pact. Well, it was an120801:10:10.079 --> 01:10:14.359



economic pact. Honestly, it wasn't really. That was sort of120901:10:14.439 --> 01:10:16.920



like between the line, reading between the lines, got it. It121001:10:17.039 --> 01:10:19.000



was it was an economic pact, all right.121101:10:19.039 --> 01:10:20.560



So I wasn't too far off, I guess.121201:10:20.840 --> 01:10:23.880



No, No, I don't think many people understand.121301:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.760



It, got it. Yeah, it was just a theory. I121401:10:25.800 --> 01:10:27.199



was just I was just I didn't know that that121501:10:27.319 --> 01:10:29.359



was an actual thing. I mean, there's so much coming121601:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.960



at us, like I can't I can't grab it all.121701:10:32.039 --> 01:10:34.039



So I just I thought I had my own little121801:10:34.079 --> 01:10:35.680



theory I came up with. But apparently if someone else121901:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.560



figured it out, So I just thought i'd ask.122001:10:37.399 --> 01:10:40.239



You, Hey, nobody figured it out. You were right, you122101:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.399



were on the right track. This is so oh well,122201:10:43.079 --> 01:10:46.720



if you want to understand how how the intelligence process works,122301:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.239



you just you just walked through it. Yeah, hey, you122401:10:50.279 --> 01:10:53.319



know without even having all of the details in place,122501:10:53.359 --> 01:10:57.039



because we have no known knowns, known unknowns and then122601:10:57.119 --> 01:11:01.760



unknown unknowns within the intelligence community or within an intelligence perspective,122701:11:02.720 --> 01:11:06.399



it's a lot of information, right, you just said it eloquently.122801:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.479



We're inundated with a lot of data, a lot of information,122901:11:09.840 --> 01:11:11.560



but we've got to understand it. We're not going to123001:11:11.600 --> 01:11:14.359



see it all. Not every analyst is going to see123101:11:14.439 --> 01:11:15.520



everything that's out there.123201:11:15.880 --> 01:11:16.680



There's just so much.123301:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.840



But we use common sense and we take away bias123401:11:21.199 --> 01:11:24.359



and we just try to understand the world outside of123501:11:24.359 --> 01:11:30.119



a worldview in that community's view. Right, so north Korea's view,123601:11:31.279 --> 01:11:35.159



what would North Korea gain from this? Well, their economy123701:11:35.199 --> 01:11:38.319



is collapsing. There must be some sort of economic factor123801:11:38.359 --> 01:11:40.279



to this. What is that? And so at that point,123901:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.920



if you are the intelligence analyst that's working North Korea,124001:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.079



that's the point where you would start diving deep into124101:11:46.119 --> 01:11:50.479



the economic aspects of it. And that's the difference between124201:11:50.800 --> 01:11:56.880



an economic intelligence analyst and then a sort of military124301:11:56.880 --> 01:11:59.560



intelligence anaist. The military intelligence analyst is going to view124401:11:59.560 --> 01:12:04.640



it from a military aspect munitions soldiers, and economic intelligence124501:12:04.640 --> 01:12:07.039



analyst that is going to view it from the economic124601:12:07.119 --> 01:12:11.560



perspective and say, well, what what's the benefit here economically?124701:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.159



I think I think what's hard is for people on124801:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.439



the outside, like let's just talk about like open source intelligence, right,124901:12:18.680 --> 01:12:23.000



everything's based on what's publicly available you know, declassified or125001:12:23.039 --> 01:12:25.479



publicly available. So you've got to keep comparing and putting125101:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.159



these pieces together until it's like does A and B125201:12:28.399 --> 01:12:31.880



equal X? Yes, yes, and then there's a why, like no,125301:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.800



it doesn't. You got to comparing to find that you're125401:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.600



getting enough of the same result to go, Okay, this125501:12:36.680 --> 01:12:38.800



might be true or could be true.125601:12:39.159 --> 01:12:42.359



And this is my problem with open source intelligence accounts125701:12:42.680 --> 01:12:47.880



on x, Twitter or whatever social media is that they're125801:12:47.920 --> 01:12:52.279



they're really just open source information accounts. So they're seeing125901:12:53.119 --> 01:12:57.920



information headlines. They're basically just copy and pastes headlines and126001:12:57.960 --> 01:13:02.479



regurgitating it, and they're like open source intelligence. No, motherfucker,126101:13:02.880 --> 01:13:05.680



that's just information that everyone has access to. You just126201:13:05.720 --> 01:13:09.159



found it first, and there's a there's a benefit to that,126301:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.439



But all you're doing is reporting. You're a journalist. You've126401:13:13.479 --> 01:13:17.520



basically just pigeonholed yourself as a journalist because you're reporting126501:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.960



what happened and nothing else. And my problem with journalism126601:13:22.199 --> 01:13:25.680



outside of so journalists should do what those ostent accounts126701:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.960



are doing, which is just report what's happening, get into126801:13:29.000 --> 01:13:33.319



the details, and leave it at that. Let the investigator,126901:13:33.720 --> 01:13:38.720



let the analysts understand, comprehend what's going on and highlight that.127001:13:38.760 --> 01:13:43.680



So an open source intelligence account shouldn't say, currently, Ukraine127101:13:43.760 --> 01:13:47.560



just used attackms and so that's a current event. Ukraine127201:13:48.600 --> 01:13:52.239



was authorized and they just did use attacks these long127301:13:52.319 --> 01:13:56.479



range US military munitions in Russia. That an open source127401:13:56.680 --> 01:13:59.760



intelligence account on Twitter will say just that that they127501:13:59.800 --> 01:14:04.399



did that. An actual open source intelligence account will say,127601:14:04.760 --> 01:14:08.760



here is what happened, Here is the reasoning behind that.127701:14:08.920 --> 01:14:14.920



So Ukraine just used munitions in deeper into Russia. They127801:14:14.920 --> 01:14:19.000



did that because they're making a big push to not127901:14:19.119 --> 01:14:23.159



go to the negotiating table, you know, backlogged in a128001:14:23.239 --> 01:14:25.760



loss in a conflict that's dragged on for two for128101:14:25.800 --> 01:14:31.239



two almost three years, and here are the primary, secondary,128201:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.920



and tertiary effects of that. That's actual open source intelligence128301:14:35.800 --> 01:14:40.560



just saying Reuters reported that this happened, right, that's a journalist.128401:14:40.640 --> 01:14:41.680



Let journalists do that.128501:14:42.000 --> 01:14:46.319



You're not giving a real assessment of why, where it's going,128601:14:46.800 --> 01:14:50.159



what could happen, none of that. You're just regurgitating information.128701:14:50.319 --> 01:14:54.199



And then a lot of the accounts that I do128801:14:54.359 --> 01:14:57.399



utilize these accounts. It's great because I get open source128901:14:57.439 --> 01:15:02.600



intelligence from open source information accounts and you have to129001:15:02.800 --> 01:15:05.159



so then in that you have to understand those accounts129101:15:05.159 --> 01:15:09.039



are biased as well. You've got pro Ukrainian ones, pro129201:15:09.159 --> 01:15:12.920



Russian ones, see it, pro Israel pro. They're not going129301:15:12.960 --> 01:15:14.720



to say they're pro Hamas or has Blood.129401:15:14.760 --> 01:15:16.760



Well, there's a few that definitely do say.129501:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.079



That, and they give poor assessments on what's going on129601:15:21.199 --> 01:15:24.960



based on their worldview because they haven't lived it. They129701:15:25.560 --> 01:15:28.880



have not been an intelligence or they were an intelligence practitioner,129801:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.199



and they did it for a couple of years. And129901:15:32.239 --> 01:15:35.239



I'm not denigrating anybody who's done it for a couple130001:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.079



of years and then wants to go out there, but130101:15:37.079 --> 01:15:39.840



they've only got that sort of two to four years130201:15:40.560 --> 01:15:44.760



of training and experience. And it's like a college student130301:15:44.880 --> 01:15:49.199



who's in finance and they graduate from college and they130401:15:49.239 --> 01:15:53.039



expect to be the CEO of a Wall Street company. Right,130501:15:53.159 --> 01:15:55.680



It's like, you can't do that. You've got to actually130601:15:55.680 --> 01:15:58.680



do the work and get to it. And I'm not130701:15:58.680 --> 01:16:00.880



saying that because I think I'm I'm not better than130801:16:00.920 --> 01:16:06.159



them as far as like grabbing the information. So within130901:16:06.199 --> 01:16:12.479



the intelligence cycle you've got, you know, it's it's an131001:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.039



like I said, it's an entire cycle. So part of131101:16:15.039 --> 01:16:21.840



that cycle is the the collection portion, So that collection portion,131201:16:22.079 --> 01:16:24.920



they are probably ten times better than I am at131301:16:25.000 --> 01:16:30.119



collecting the data. But according to people that trust me,131401:16:31.319 --> 01:16:35.279



I am ten times better at analyzing and assessing that131501:16:35.399 --> 01:16:37.600



data than they would ever be. Well, and that's not131601:16:37.640 --> 01:16:40.000



propping me up or tooting my own horn, but it's131701:16:40.039 --> 01:16:40.720



just my experience.131801:16:40.800 --> 01:16:42.680



This is what I have noticed about you. You're not131901:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.520



the first person to comment on a situation, which is132001:16:45.560 --> 01:16:49.000



a good thing, which means I can trust that you've132101:16:49.000 --> 01:16:51.960



taken your time to really assess what's going on and132201:16:52.039 --> 01:16:55.680



comparing the data. Okay, I think think from what I've132301:16:55.640 --> 01:16:57.680



seen because I'm not in the this is not my game.132401:16:57.760 --> 01:17:00.319



I mean, I don't have this experience that you do. Uh,132501:17:00.319 --> 01:17:04.800



but I see what you see where they're not taking132601:17:04.960 --> 01:17:09.159



enough information from enough sources to compare. It's just like, oh,132701:17:09.439 --> 01:17:11.239



you know this news network said this, and then this132801:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.039



other one did. They might take three and go okay,132901:17:13.079 --> 01:17:17.079



this what's going on. They're not getting enough. I don't133001:17:17.079 --> 01:17:19.159



think they get enough information from different sources that may133101:17:19.159 --> 01:17:22.000



be both biased and unbiased, like I usually try to133201:17:22.000 --> 01:17:25.600



get if it's something that's pro hamas for example, I133301:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.279



actually do have some accounts I'll subscribe to and I like,133401:17:28.319 --> 01:17:30.159



I want to see that information because i want to133501:17:30.199 --> 01:17:32.479



see what they're saying. I'm not gonna comment on it,133601:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.039



you know, on their social media.133701:17:33.920 --> 01:17:37.000



But listen, I articularly do as well. You know, my133801:17:37.159 --> 01:17:40.760



follows are not a testament to my belief system. I133901:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.199



don't think we should be an echo chambers I am.134001:17:43.359 --> 01:17:46.359



I'm happy to hear that you do have even pro134101:17:46.439 --> 01:17:50.680



Hamas or pro Hesbla. I follow accounts. I follow US134201:17:50.720 --> 01:17:55.560



intelligence accounts or for prior service veterans who were or134301:17:56.079 --> 01:18:00.560



US intelligence who are pro Hamas and Hesbela. They wouldn't134401:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.079



come out and say it, but the statements that they134501:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.640



have made against Israel and for what's going on, what134601:18:06.760 --> 01:18:10.439



Hamas is doing, they're definitely a pro Hamas pro has Beloved.134701:18:11.239 --> 01:18:14.520



Maybe not pro terrorism because they don't view those entities134801:18:14.560 --> 01:18:18.119



as terrorists, right, but they have a worldview and they134901:18:18.479 --> 01:18:22.920



and not everyone in the intelligence community is unbiased. I135001:18:23.199 --> 01:18:28.760



have been in a situation where a leader, so my customer,135101:18:29.079 --> 01:18:32.039



has told me, hey, can you kind of fudge these135201:18:32.159 --> 01:18:35.600



numbers because we're really trying to go out tonight to135301:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.000



go after this guy. And I've had to tell them no,135401:18:39.159 --> 01:18:41.560



that's not what the that's not what I'm going to do.135501:18:42.119 --> 01:18:44.880



You're not going to do that to me. And if135601:18:44.880 --> 01:18:49.560



I so kind of get in how the sausage is made, right,135701:18:49.600 --> 01:18:53.520



we do PowerPoint presentations. Everybody probably knows that PowerPoint ranger.135801:18:54.399 --> 01:18:57.199



I started to file minds as a PDF because they135901:18:57.199 --> 01:19:00.159



couldn't be edited at the time, and send it to136001:19:00.239 --> 01:19:03.479



that person only as a PDF because I saw that136101:19:03.600 --> 01:19:07.319



they started editing what I was saying. Because I got136201:19:07.359 --> 01:19:10.359



back from people who are in a position of power136301:19:10.439 --> 01:19:13.960



now leaders now asking me, hey, you said this and136401:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.479



it wasn't true what happened there? And I was like,136501:19:16.520 --> 01:19:19.399



that is absolutely what I did not say. Here is136601:19:19.439 --> 01:19:22.520



the presentation that I gave them, and what I did say,136701:19:22.920 --> 01:19:26.600



they changed it. That leader that changed it was then136801:19:26.680 --> 01:19:30.520



fired and pushed out. That's definitely. That definitely happens, and136901:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.039



it's why I push for just like you said, multi137001:19:34.039 --> 01:19:39.319



source intelligence reporting, very very interesting. I'm going all over137101:19:39.319 --> 01:19:40.880



the place and I'm very sorry for this. You can137201:19:40.920 --> 01:19:42.119



stop me, but oh.137301:19:42.000 --> 01:19:43.720



No, this is all gonna look to where we're going next.137401:19:43.760 --> 01:19:45.119



So that's okay.137501:19:45.880 --> 01:19:49.760



When I did my my interview for Special Operations and137601:19:49.800 --> 01:19:52.119



I was not I want to make it abundantly clear.137701:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.600



I was not a special operations soldier. I did not137801:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.640



put on a uniform as a special operations person. I137901:19:59.880 --> 01:20:04.119



was was attached to a special operations unit, these special138001:20:04.159 --> 01:20:08.840



operations unit under the capacity of an intelligence analyst. And138101:20:08.840 --> 01:20:13.920



in my interview for that for because of my background138201:20:13.960 --> 01:20:18.840



in imagery intelligence, I was asked, what do you consider138301:20:19.399 --> 01:20:23.760



the greatest form of intelligence? In my response, which actually138401:20:23.840 --> 01:20:30.199



hurt me on my scale, was I think all intelligence138501:20:30.239 --> 01:20:34.279



practitioners and every intelligence practice has a benefit, and that138601:20:34.359 --> 01:20:39.640



combined all source intelligence, combining every aspect of the intelligence138701:20:39.720 --> 01:20:43.760



community is the most important part of intelligence. And I138801:20:43.800 --> 01:20:46.520



was told by the sergeant major at the time, no,138901:20:46.720 --> 01:20:48.680



we wanted you to tell it was kind of tongue139001:20:48.680 --> 01:20:51.399



in cheek and a joke, but he was like, no,139101:20:51.439 --> 01:20:53.880



you should have said imagery analysis because you're going to139201:20:53.920 --> 01:20:56.880



be doing geospatial intelligence. I did not do that in139301:20:56.920 --> 01:21:01.000



that capacity. I was an intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance team lead,139401:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.840



which combined a bunch of different factors, which is what139501:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.479



I pushed for. But that, yeah, that was that was139601:21:07.520 --> 01:21:12.439



part of it. I am a proponent of multi sourced139701:21:12.920 --> 01:21:18.079



intelligence that those sources come from as far left if139801:21:18.119 --> 01:21:20.000



you want to talk politically, as far left and as139901:21:20.000 --> 01:21:23.880



far right as you can be, because you don't understand140001:21:23.880 --> 01:21:27.239



what's really going on unless you know what everyone is saying.140101:21:27.279 --> 01:21:28.920



So just like we go back to the art of war,140201:21:29.199 --> 01:21:33.000



know your enemy and you'll know and you'll be If140301:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.479



you know yourself, then you can win a battle. If140401:21:36.520 --> 01:21:39.239



you know your enemy as well as yourself, you will140501:21:39.239 --> 01:21:39.800



win the war.140601:21:40.039 --> 01:21:43.319



Right, that's true. Also, what keep your friends closer or140701:21:43.399 --> 01:21:45.000



your enemy? Yeah?140801:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.479



Right, Yeah, keep your friends close and your enemies closer140901:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.239



closer because you'll know what they're saying about you.141001:21:50.680 --> 01:21:53.640



So it's it's just amazing to me how people who141101:21:53.640 --> 01:21:57.960



claim to know or be authorities don't do exactly what141201:21:58.000 --> 01:22:01.319



you said and rely on multiple sources and take the141301:22:01.439 --> 01:22:05.079



time to analyze that data before they actually make a141401:22:05.119 --> 01:22:10.960



statement or have an opinion. It just the average and141501:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.680



the average person doesn't see through that, unfortunately, and and141601:22:14.720 --> 01:22:17.720



that's how we get to where we are. At many times,141701:22:18.199 --> 01:22:19.000



it's it's.141801:22:18.960 --> 01:22:22.920



Yeah, when you're confused like I am sometimes, So why141901:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.600



does this account have one point one million followers?142001:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.079



I have new idea how that happened?142101:22:27.119 --> 01:22:30.000



And I can't gain traction when I'm actually putting out142201:22:30.359 --> 01:22:33.279



like and and some of that is I've got to142301:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.239



deal with that myself of being I know what I'm142401:22:36.239 --> 01:22:39.800



saying is fucking right, so why isn't anybody listening to me?142501:22:40.159 --> 01:22:41.960



Those are internal conversations that.142601:22:42.800 --> 01:22:45.640



My thing with social media is, you know, it has142701:22:45.720 --> 01:22:49.319



turned into more of a source of information than than142801:22:49.520 --> 01:22:51.840



it ever has before in terms of news and what's142901:22:51.880 --> 01:22:56.520



going on. But trying to filter through whether those sources143001:22:56.680 --> 01:23:01.279



are actually legitimate, you know, source This is another issue143101:23:01.640 --> 01:23:03.239



because there's a lot of people doing what you say,143201:23:03.239 --> 01:23:05.600



They're just regurgitating it, and then the more they do it, it143301:23:05.640 --> 01:23:08.560



looks like more people believe it, and then it's assumed143401:23:08.560 --> 01:23:11.600



to now be true because there's so many people regurgitating143501:23:11.640 --> 01:23:14.319



that information, but it's not necessarily the correct information.143601:23:14.640 --> 01:23:17.079



And I got caught up into it too early on.143701:23:17.960 --> 01:23:22.800



It was like, Hey, something happens, and I got a man,143801:23:22.840 --> 01:23:25.359



I've got to comment on this. You know, I'm on143901:23:25.399 --> 01:23:27.199



the news, I'm on all this kind of stuff. I've144001:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.079



got to immediately comment. And there were a couple of144101:23:30.159 --> 01:23:33.640



times where I commented on something and it turned out144201:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.119



that it was the wrong source or I was reading144301:23:36.159 --> 01:23:40.119



it wrong, and I had another intelligence professional that respected144401:23:40.119 --> 01:23:42.600



me and I respect them, and they said, hey, man,144501:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.560



you got this wrong. I just want to let you144601:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.840



know you need to recomment on it. And I recommented144701:23:48.880 --> 01:23:52.840



on it, but it really this was like two years ago,144801:23:54.560 --> 01:23:56.600



and I was just like, that's not who I am.144901:23:56.720 --> 01:23:59.880



I shouldn't be doing that. I shouldn't be commenting because145001:24:00.760 --> 01:24:04.039



that first response is an emotional response. It's always going145101:24:04.119 --> 01:24:07.439



to be an emotional response, and you get things wrong145201:24:08.119 --> 01:24:12.359



in that and I did for on a couple of occasions,145301:24:12.880 --> 01:24:14.800



and so it's good to hear now that you're seeing that.145401:24:14.920 --> 01:24:16.840



I'll be honest, man, my account is waiting.145501:24:17.600 --> 01:24:20.319



Even on my show, I've said some shit where I'm like,145601:24:20.680 --> 01:24:22.800



well maybe I should It's already out there. I can't145701:24:22.840 --> 01:24:26.960



fix it now. Yeah, it happens, and sometimes it's based145801:24:26.960 --> 01:24:28.960



on what's available. As you said, there's other times where145901:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.199



it's it's just an emotional or knee jerk response to something.146001:24:33.319 --> 01:24:35.039



But at least you can go back and say, hey,146101:24:35.079 --> 01:24:37.279



I fucked up. You know this isn't exactly what it146201:24:37.439 --> 01:24:39.680



was or what I said. I mean, I've been responded146301:24:39.720 --> 01:24:41.439



on x on a few times where i'd have to146401:24:41.479 --> 01:24:42.600



go like, well, you know that was wrong.146501:24:43.840 --> 01:24:46.840



We're all just so I think the response usually should be,146601:24:46.960 --> 01:24:51.880



and this is what I've been trying to work on myself.146701:24:52.840 --> 01:24:56.000



So let's take it real world here. There's a lot146801:24:56.039 --> 01:24:58.680



of conversation going on on if the grand Iatola and146901:24:58.840 --> 01:25:01.000



Iran is in a coma or dead.147001:25:01.239 --> 01:25:02.640



Heard that what's going on?147101:25:03.520 --> 01:25:07.159



And so the initial response from a from from an147201:25:07.159 --> 01:25:10.319



account that's looking to gain traction would be to just147301:25:10.680 --> 01:25:13.359



copy and paste it and say, Hey, the grand Iatola147401:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.720



is in a coma and he's on a deathbed. The147501:25:16.760 --> 01:25:20.039



real response that I have is, oh, wow, that's interesting,147601:25:20.439 --> 01:25:26.920



what could that mean if he is there? But within147701:25:26.960 --> 01:25:29.159



that response is I don't know if this is.147801:25:29.119 --> 01:25:29.600



True or not.147901:25:30.680 --> 01:25:34.800



And then I go on within what I say, which148001:25:34.840 --> 01:25:39.199



is my probability scale, and I do it very I148101:25:39.239 --> 01:25:45.000



try to make it for the civilian consumer, and my148201:25:44.399 --> 01:25:50.560



uh my probably probability scale is unlikely, possible, and probable.148301:25:51.600 --> 01:25:54.720



So I posted this on X A couple of days ago.148401:25:54.760 --> 01:25:58.000



When I started seeing the grand Iatola, I said, okay,148501:25:58.079 --> 01:26:02.239



let's use this on the probability scale. Is the is148601:26:02.479 --> 01:26:09.520



Homini dead? Unlikely? Is Homini in a coma? It's possible.148701:26:09.640 --> 01:26:11.600



It's possible he's in a coma. This is these are148801:26:11.680 --> 01:26:13.199



the things to kind of look for if he's in148901:26:13.199 --> 01:26:17.920



a coma, other people uh making public statements on his behalf,149001:26:18.640 --> 01:26:20.960



not being able to see him in a public setting,149101:26:21.720 --> 01:26:25.479



those are things to look for. Then I said, is149201:26:25.520 --> 01:26:30.199



the is the Ayatola Comeni an evil, terrible bastard that149301:26:30.279 --> 01:26:32.239



has his thumb on his people and is ruining the149401:26:32.279 --> 01:26:36.239



economy of Iran. Yes, that's probable. I have that as149501:26:36.319 --> 01:26:40.119



more than ninety nine percent chance that that's what's going149601:26:40.159 --> 01:26:43.920



on here. But that's the that's the intelligence scale, right.149701:26:44.000 --> 01:26:48.159



It's like, oh, this is interesting. I wonder if it's true.149801:26:48.680 --> 01:26:52.199



My first my first initial reaction is this true, It's possible.149901:26:52.479 --> 01:26:55.520



A lot of things are possible. Let me dive deeper150001:26:55.560 --> 01:26:58.199



into it. At this point, I've dove deeper into that.150101:26:58.239 --> 01:27:00.279



I don't think he's in a coma. I just think150201:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.760



that there are some entities within, especially within Iran, who150301:27:04.800 --> 01:27:06.800



want him out and they want to usher in a150401:27:06.840 --> 01:27:11.600



new UH, a new Iran that is friendlier to the West,150501:27:11.880 --> 01:27:14.960



to get those sanctions off of them. And they're probably150601:27:15.000 --> 01:27:22.239



there's probable that they're promoting these uh these baseless coma150701:27:22.560 --> 01:27:28.319



or death information. So that's probably where we're at. But150801:27:28.399 --> 01:27:30.800



that's how that's how it's done. And so to just say,150901:27:30.920 --> 01:27:35.000



I'm going to copy this headline that says, uh, Russia151001:27:35.079 --> 01:27:39.079



is about to use nuclear weapons, copy paste it, throw151101:27:39.119 --> 01:27:42.560



it into X. It's possible they are, but that's not151201:27:42.560 --> 01:27:46.319



what the headline says. It says that they will the problem.151301:27:46.439 --> 01:27:49.319



Okay, So I I personally, since we've been talking about151401:27:49.359 --> 01:27:53.600



social media, uh late, you know, right now this conversation,151501:27:54.279 --> 01:27:58.720



I personally already came to conclusion that I don't I151601:27:58.760 --> 01:28:02.159



don't use it to build this massive account like most151701:28:02.159 --> 01:28:04.479



people do. To be honest, I don't have the time151801:28:04.479 --> 01:28:06.800



of the day to sit there and just post and151901:28:06.840 --> 01:28:08.640



post and post. I'm not looking at that to make152001:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.920



money like some other people do. And I just can't152101:28:11.000 --> 01:28:14.239



understand that world. It's not what I'm there for. I'm152201:28:14.279 --> 01:28:18.199



there for gathering information. I just want to hear the152301:28:18.199 --> 01:28:20.359



whispers and the echoes and kind of get a pulse152401:28:20.399 --> 01:28:24.000



on what people are kind of thinking. And as you152501:28:24.000 --> 01:28:25.920



said earlier, I mean, there's just so much coming at152601:28:26.000 --> 01:28:28.319



you just kind of got to take it in and start,152701:28:28.640 --> 01:28:33.159



you know, assessing Okay, what might be real, what's plausible,152801:28:33.199 --> 01:28:36.079



what isn't And that's what I use it for. So152901:28:36.159 --> 01:28:40.000



it's like, for example, I know there's times like guys153001:28:40.039 --> 01:28:41.520



like you who are telling the truth and you know153101:28:41.520 --> 01:28:44.680



your shit, You're like, why isn't this cash and fire? Right? Like,153201:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.279



I'm telling people what's going on and they're not understanding153301:28:47.279 --> 01:28:51.359



that this is what's really happening. And unfortunately I'm seeing that.153401:28:52.119 --> 01:28:55.640



You know, if you're not making people feel, if you're153501:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.960



not if you're not getting there and letting them reaffirming153601:28:59.000 --> 01:29:03.439



their beliefs based on what they're getting within the bubbly living,153701:29:04.319 --> 01:29:06.319



you're just not going to gain any traction. And that's153801:29:06.359 --> 01:29:08.479



not what you are. You're the person it's like, look,153901:29:08.520 --> 01:29:12.239



this is the situation based on my professional experience and154001:29:12.279 --> 01:29:15.239



what I've done and everything that I can say given154101:29:15.279 --> 01:29:18.560



the data, this is what's really happening. And that's not154201:29:18.720 --> 01:29:20.479



exciting or sexy for people. You know what I'm saying.154301:29:20.520 --> 01:29:21.680



They're just like, oh yeah.154401:29:21.560 --> 01:29:24.359



Yeah, so there I've been I've been just playing this154501:29:24.479 --> 01:29:26.960



line back in my head for months now. So there's154601:29:26.960 --> 01:29:29.920



a line from an Andrew Bird song. I don't know154701:29:29.960 --> 01:29:32.239



if you know who Andrew Bird is maybe some people154801:29:32.239 --> 01:29:34.279



in your audi. He's a musician. He does a lot154901:29:34.279 --> 01:29:38.479



of like he's incredible. He can play every musical instrument.155001:29:38.560 --> 01:29:41.800



His whistle. I've seen him live. His whistle whistling just155101:29:41.880 --> 01:29:44.760



with his mouth is absolutely incredible. But he has this155201:29:44.880 --> 01:29:49.399



line in the song called Sisyphis, about Sisyphis if everybody155301:29:49.479 --> 01:29:54.760



knows their their philosophy, and the line that really resonated155401:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.800



with me. He said, history forgets the moderates, and that155501:29:58.920 --> 01:30:02.439



is absolutely true. It's a great line, actually, and that155601:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.159



is the problem that a platform like mine or like155701:30:06.239 --> 01:30:09.680



yours is coming up against. And it's part of I've155801:30:09.680 --> 01:30:11.920



said this on a on a couple of different podcasts155901:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.359



as well as in some writings that I've done. You know,156001:30:15.479 --> 01:30:19.000



we can no longer let history forget the moderates. Allow156101:30:19.159 --> 01:30:23.279



the moderates to do what we do, which is see156201:30:23.319 --> 01:30:28.720



things outside of the perspective of bias and move this society,156301:30:28.920 --> 01:30:32.880



the human culture in society along outside of our tribes156401:30:32.920 --> 01:30:36.720



and worldviews in a path that is far better than156501:30:36.760 --> 01:30:38.399



what the extremes are gonna do.156601:30:40.119 --> 01:30:44.239



Yeah, I mean, that's all right, you said it, all right,156701:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.039



there you go. No, that's that's all very true. It's156801:30:48.039 --> 01:30:51.399



that's a great statement, because it's I don't know what156901:30:51.439 --> 01:30:53.119



we're gonna do to change people's.157001:30:52.800 --> 01:30:54.880



May if you think about it, have you do you157101:30:54.960 --> 01:31:01.600



know any historical figure who was just moderate. I mean one,157201:31:01.720 --> 01:31:04.640



John Adams comes to mind. He's not even the most popular.157301:31:05.159 --> 01:31:09.399



Here's here's here's the thing. What you said is correct,157401:31:09.840 --> 01:31:13.119



because look, it always goes back to that old sailing157501:31:13.479 --> 01:31:17.279



us sailing saying, you know, at some point, everyone's always157601:31:17.399 --> 01:31:22.159



always gonna tell you, well, you got to choose a side. Yeah, right, absolutely,157701:31:22.199 --> 01:31:24.279



we're always going to try to play the middle. And157801:31:24.319 --> 01:31:26.279



I'm not saying you're playing the middle. I'm just using157901:31:26.319 --> 01:31:27.960



that as a bigger speech here. But we're always going158001:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.680



to try to say, Okay, here's the right, here's the left,158101:31:30.760 --> 01:31:33.680



here's the back front, whatever, we're gonna sit up right here,158201:31:33.920 --> 01:31:35.840



right here, kind of in the middle. Take all this158301:31:35.960 --> 01:31:38.119



in and try to make sense of it and make158401:31:38.159 --> 01:31:40.840



sure that people don't start tearing each other's throats out.158501:31:41.039 --> 01:31:43.239



Say hold on, guys, yep, that's not what's really going on.158601:31:43.279 --> 01:31:45.039



This's not what he said. She said. This is what's158701:31:45.079 --> 01:31:48.279



really happening, and we all want to at least you,158801:31:48.359 --> 01:31:52.479



and I want to be that person. But historically, the people,158901:31:52.640 --> 01:31:55.560



as you said, that have always been recognized are the159001:31:55.560 --> 01:31:59.199



ones that literally either went full right or full left. Period.159101:32:00.039 --> 01:32:03.399



Well, it's because I think people will take chance. Those159201:32:03.520 --> 01:32:07.000



the extreme people are going to take chances. Now. I'm159301:32:07.039 --> 01:32:10.560



also what some would consider an early adopter. A new159401:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.640



technology comes out, I'll use it. I early adopt a159501:32:13.680 --> 01:32:17.600



lot of things. I know one thing on X that159601:32:17.640 --> 01:32:21.000



has a lot of people chromogeny is this new blue159701:32:21.039 --> 01:32:26.920



Sky platform. And know when everybody on X is virtue159801:32:26.960 --> 01:32:29.720



signaling that they're leaving Twitter and they're going to go159901:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.399



to blue Sky. I adopted blue Sky very early on160001:32:32.439 --> 01:32:35.720



because I have some friends in journalism that gave me160101:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.159



access to it and I was able to build an account. Right.160201:32:41.279 --> 01:32:44.199



So I'm an early adopter. That's what I don't want160301:32:44.199 --> 01:32:46.439



to It's not a platform for blue Sky, but if160401:32:46.439 --> 01:32:51.319



you're there, hey follow. So I'm an early adopter. I160501:32:51.359 --> 01:32:55.600



am a moderate in that I try to view things out.160601:32:55.680 --> 01:32:58.359



I have a worldview. I absolutely have a worldview that160701:32:59.399 --> 01:33:03.359



was curate through my entire childhood, into my military experience,160801:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.159



through my military career into where I stand right now.160901:33:06.520 --> 01:33:11.000



I have a worldview. What I try to do is161001:33:11.520 --> 01:33:15.520



escape that worldview and identify things that are happening outside161101:33:15.520 --> 01:33:18.800



of ideology. And to do that, you have to understand161201:33:18.800 --> 01:33:23.079



other people's ideology, and you have to understand you have161301:33:23.159 --> 01:33:26.760



to understand people where they're coming from. So we have161401:33:26.760 --> 01:33:29.279



a lot of conversations about why how did Trump win?161501:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.439



You're asking the wrong people if you're the Democratic Party161601:33:33.439 --> 01:33:36.079



asking why Trump won, because they're only asking each other161701:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.439



why they lost. You know why Trump won, Go ask161801:33:39.520 --> 01:33:42.359



the guy in rural Pennsylvania why they voted for Trump,161901:33:42.399 --> 01:33:45.199



and they'll tell you. That's who you need to go to.162001:33:45.760 --> 01:33:48.760



That's the kind of moderate that I'm looking for, or162101:33:48.800 --> 01:33:51.279



that I'm trying to be. Am I going to take162201:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.920



a chance? Am I going to take a side? I'm162301:33:53.920 --> 01:33:57.840



going to take a side on truth and what's actually happening.162401:33:58.439 --> 01:34:00.479



But also, if you're going to ask me to take162501:34:00.479 --> 01:34:02.600



a side on my morals and ethics, I'm going to162601:34:02.600 --> 01:34:04.720



take a side on that. I did that in this election,162701:34:05.520 --> 01:34:08.920



on who I voted for. I think I was on162801:34:09.000 --> 01:34:12.560



here when I said I wasn't voting in this election. Actually,162901:34:13.239 --> 01:34:15.399



my wife and I sat down and we talked about it,163001:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.159



and I did vote in this election because she made163101:34:18.159 --> 01:34:21.479



a great point. She said, you are always telling people163201:34:22.560 --> 01:34:26.720



you need to vote locally, and she said, we have163301:34:26.760 --> 01:34:30.119



a local election here, we have an election within I'm163401:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.479



in Virginia, Northern Virginia, so we have an election in163501:34:33.560 --> 01:34:39.520



Virginia with our representatives and our Senate. We have in163601:34:39.560 --> 01:34:42.479



our town that we live in. We have elections just163701:34:42.600 --> 01:34:46.560



because you And she's like, you tell people this all163801:34:46.600 --> 01:34:49.279



the time. The presidency doesn't matter. Why are we always163901:34:49.279 --> 01:34:52.479



focused on the presidency. They should not. The president should164001:34:52.479 --> 01:34:54.760



not have that much power in this country. And yet164101:34:54.760 --> 01:34:58.079



you're going to bypass an election based on the presidency164201:34:58.720 --> 01:35:02.039



when they're a local election that you should be voting for.164301:35:02.399 --> 01:35:05.279



And I said, you're absolutely right as part of the164401:35:05.640 --> 01:35:10.039



intelligence process. Yes, you're absolutely right, And I'm going to164501:35:10.119 --> 01:35:12.439



change my opinion on that, and I'm going to vote164601:35:12.479 --> 01:35:15.560



in the local elections and bypass the presidency. And I164701:35:15.600 --> 01:35:17.279



did that. I didn't vote in the presidency, but I164801:35:17.359 --> 01:35:21.399



voted in all the local elections. That to me is164901:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.960



taking a bold step as a moderate. I'm not going165001:35:25.039 --> 01:35:31.000



to allow these two extreme sides to dictate what we're165101:35:31.039 --> 01:35:33.640



going to do. And at least my community. Where can165201:35:33.680 --> 01:35:36.399



I affect change in my community? So I tried to165301:35:36.439 --> 01:35:39.960



affect change in my community. And I think moderates get165401:35:40.399 --> 01:35:43.880



a bad rap because they're said, well, you don't do anything,165501:35:44.000 --> 01:35:46.239



you just sit on the sidelines. No, we're trying to165601:35:46.239 --> 01:35:48.840



do stuff. You just won't fucking listen to us, guys.165701:35:50.680 --> 01:35:54.640



That's a fair point. And I got in this conversation165801:35:55.359 --> 01:35:59.159



about voting local. I got in this conversation with somebody165901:35:59.239 --> 01:36:01.880



who was actually, I'm I'm in California. I don't even166001:36:01.880 --> 01:36:03.800



care who knows where I live anymore, but I'm in Modesko.166101:36:04.960 --> 01:36:07.760



At this point, it's like, you know, who cares what166201:36:07.840 --> 01:36:11.720



they're gonna do, say hello, not whatever, But anyway, where166301:36:11.760 --> 01:36:17.039



I'm at it's I had a fellow who was running166401:36:17.039 --> 01:36:21.319



for city council District three. I knew who he was166501:36:21.359 --> 01:36:23.319



from years ago. I haven't talked to him in a166601:36:23.399 --> 01:36:26.159



long time, but he was he was running for reelection,166701:36:26.319 --> 01:36:27.920



and I had him on the show and we talked166801:36:27.920 --> 01:36:31.439



about that, and in my opinion, I told him, you know,166901:36:32.560 --> 01:36:34.720



I should have him back on actually challenging. I kind167001:36:34.760 --> 01:36:37.800



of softball that whole thing for him. But anyway, uh,167101:36:37.880 --> 01:36:41.000



he he didn't agree. With me what I think personally,167201:36:41.279 --> 01:36:42.880



if you want to change your world, I mean your world,167301:36:43.000 --> 01:36:46.159



like your personal world politically, you've got to start local167401:36:46.159 --> 01:36:49.000



because if you don't, if you don't create a base there,167501:36:49.960 --> 01:36:52.039



it's it's never going to reach up to the top.167601:36:52.359 --> 01:36:54.520



It's never gonna like it starts there. You gotta you167701:36:54.560 --> 01:36:57.840



gotta get your base figured out. You got to vote167801:36:57.880 --> 01:37:00.720



for who's gonna affect change in your area around you,167901:37:00.760 --> 01:37:02.479



in the world that you want to live in, and168001:37:02.520 --> 01:37:05.000



you got to protect that. And if enough people pay168101:37:05.000 --> 01:37:09.439



attention to that, then it does filter and expand out168201:37:09.479 --> 01:37:12.279



from there, and it's almost, like, I hate to say it,168301:37:12.319 --> 01:37:16.319



like a pyramid scheme to where everything you know, bottom up. Yeah,168401:37:16.399 --> 01:37:18.479



I believe that. I believe that's exactly how we're going168501:37:18.520 --> 01:37:22.760



to ultimately make change. I think that's a kind of168601:37:22.800 --> 01:37:27.039



what we saw with this election with Trump winning. And168701:37:27.439 --> 01:37:30.039



I'm not sure that everybody voted locally the right way.168801:37:30.079 --> 01:37:33.680



It really did look like a lot of people or168901:37:33.720 --> 01:37:35.560



maybe they did. I don't know, a lot of people169001:37:35.680 --> 01:37:39.960



voted for Trump, but then they voted opposite of the party.169101:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.039



Yeah, it's a very interesting you know how you know,169201:37:43.039 --> 01:37:48.039



theories coming out that it's like, oh, well this Democrat won,169301:37:48.760 --> 01:37:52.000



but Trump won. You know, Trump got the majority of169401:37:52.079 --> 01:37:56.520



votes in this county, let's say, but this Democrat one, Well,169501:37:56.520 --> 01:38:00.800



that's because that the people, the majority of people in169601:38:00.960 --> 01:38:06.840



that community decided, Hey, for me personally, what's best is169701:38:07.520 --> 01:38:10.319



this Democrat politician who said they're going to do these169801:38:10.880 --> 01:38:15.199



things for me personally. But what's best for the country.169901:38:15.560 --> 01:38:20.159



For nationally is Donald Trump? Because look, I've seen my170001:38:20.520 --> 01:38:22.560



bank account. I know it's been a lot less in170101:38:22.600 --> 01:38:25.319



the last four years. I'm this is all hyperbole. It's170201:38:25.319 --> 01:38:27.640



not what I'm saying I did or anyone else did.170301:38:27.640 --> 01:38:31.479



But that's the thought process. What's better nationally? Oh maybe170401:38:31.479 --> 01:38:34.359



it's maybe it's Donald Trump, But what's best locally for me?170501:38:35.199 --> 01:38:39.640



This guy or girl or whoever who was saying, hey,170601:38:39.680 --> 01:38:41.720



this is what they're going to do within the community170701:38:41.760 --> 01:38:43.520



to help my community.170801:38:44.119 --> 01:38:45.399



A lot of people I think.170901:38:46.880 --> 01:38:50.359



I like the people who do those kind of things,171001:38:50.640 --> 01:38:54.439



who will not vote because anyone who's walked into a171101:38:54.479 --> 01:38:59.000



polling station understands they get a kind of pamphlet or171201:38:59.000 --> 01:39:01.680



brochure or a leaf that says, here are all the171301:39:01.720 --> 01:39:05.439



Republicans that are running, or here are all the Democrats171401:39:05.560 --> 01:39:08.840



that are running. Whenever you make your vote, just do171501:39:08.920 --> 01:39:13.000



it down this party line, and so seventy percent of171601:39:13.079 --> 01:39:17.039



our electorate will vote down those party lines based off171701:39:17.039 --> 01:39:19.239



of the pamphlet that's handed to them. I think that171801:39:19.239 --> 01:39:23.359



should be fucking illegal. I think we should get party171901:39:23.880 --> 01:39:28.279



politics away from the voting booth and let people go172001:39:28.399 --> 01:39:31.159



in based off of their own knowledge on the people172101:39:31.199 --> 01:39:33.960



that they want to elect, not based off of the172201:39:33.960 --> 01:39:39.279



big R, big D, you know, Libertarian, Independent, Green Party, whatever.172301:39:40.279 --> 01:39:44.199



Have people actually educated on what they're voting for by172401:39:44.279 --> 01:39:47.840



looking into the candidate personally and then voting for that person.172501:39:48.159 --> 01:39:50.880



And then if you don't know the person, like there's172601:39:51.079 --> 01:39:53.760



a ton of different right community elections that you may172701:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.159



not even know the two people running, and so it's172801:39:56.279 --> 01:39:59.039



very easy to see R or D on that person172901:39:59.159 --> 01:40:01.520



and just vote. So the way I do it is173001:40:01.600 --> 01:40:03.640



when I see those names and I don't know any173101:40:03.840 --> 01:40:06.640



single person, I'm not voting. You have a right to173201:40:06.760 --> 01:40:11.279



not vote in that particular election, don't vote for anybody.173301:40:11.760 --> 01:40:13.720



Let the people who have done the research vote for it.173401:40:13.760 --> 01:40:17.800



But to just vote down party lines is that's what173501:40:17.880 --> 01:40:19.880



has gotten us into this two party system that we173601:40:19.920 --> 01:40:20.680



can't get out of.173701:40:21.319 --> 01:40:25.640



I won't disagree with that, and I think you're right173801:40:25.920 --> 01:40:30.840



because vote voting local is different than voting for for173901:40:30.960 --> 01:40:33.239



the you know, nationally, the voting for the president is174001:40:33.239 --> 01:40:36.640



a whole different thing because everyone's backyard is different regionally,174101:40:37.800 --> 01:40:41.199



your type of job, what's around you, the industries actually174201:40:41.239 --> 01:40:44.720



will shape where you live, and you have to vote174301:40:44.720 --> 01:40:47.920



accordingly to keep those things going period. You know, if174401:40:47.960 --> 01:40:49.880



you live in certain areas like where I'm at, it's174501:40:49.960 --> 01:40:52.880



kind of more like Central Valley. It's all farm out here.174601:40:53.239 --> 01:40:56.239



And if you look at California, what's crazy is it's174701:40:56.279 --> 01:41:00.279



one of those forever blue states, but there's a huge174801:41:00.319 --> 01:41:02.359



chunk in the middle, like it's like a few cities174901:41:02.399 --> 01:41:05.640



that determine how blue it is. Yet everything else is red.175001:41:06.399 --> 01:41:08.239



Because you know, a.175101:41:08.119 --> 01:41:11.239



Fun way to go ahead to explain states rights to175201:41:11.439 --> 01:41:15.199



maybe a European fly them over to the United States175301:41:15.199 --> 01:41:21.279



and drive just drive, just go from you know, not175401:41:21.720 --> 01:41:25.760



even from the northeast to the to the you know,175501:41:25.800 --> 01:41:31.800



southwest of California, drive from Georgia to Nevada and just175601:41:31.880 --> 01:41:36.319



have them sit there and they understand, Oh, I get175701:41:36.359 --> 01:41:40.079



why France doesn't have states rights because it's just a175801:41:40.119 --> 01:41:42.119



small little country in the middle of Europe. We have175901:41:42.159 --> 01:41:47.560



French rights, our own French rights, but from Georgia, Like,176001:41:47.640 --> 01:41:51.600



I don't think Georgian politicians the state of Georgia. I176101:41:51.640 --> 01:41:53.159



guess I shouldn't use that one, because there is an176201:41:53.159 --> 01:41:57.399



ether for Georgia. But South Carolinian politicians should not be176301:41:57.479 --> 01:42:03.800



making laws for Oregon Oregon people. That's not what should176401:42:03.840 --> 01:42:08.399



be happening. South Carolinian politicians should be making laws for176501:42:08.479 --> 01:42:14.680



South Carolinians, and senators and House of Representatives in Oregon176601:42:14.720 --> 01:42:17.680



should be focused on the issues that the Oregon people176701:42:17.920 --> 01:42:22.520



should be focused on. The demographics between Florida and the176801:42:22.520 --> 01:42:27.359



state of Washington, two completely different states, are completely different. Obviously,176901:42:28.520 --> 01:42:32.119



you have a different generation. You have tons of different177001:42:32.159 --> 01:42:36.119



generations and different political leanings and all kinds of things.177101:42:36.159 --> 01:42:38.920



Those people shouldn't be making policy. The people of Florida177201:42:38.960 --> 01:42:41.520



shouldn't be making policy for the people of California. That's177301:42:41.560 --> 01:42:42.760



not how this should be working.177401:42:43.720 --> 01:42:49.560



Well, it's true, and it's interesting because you always, you know,177501:42:49.680 --> 01:42:55.319



especially this election, you've always heard about the diversity right177601:42:55.479 --> 01:42:58.800



and the left, the left or Democratic Party. I'm just177701:42:58.840 --> 01:43:03.720



saying left would push diversity. Diversity diversity, but the way177801:43:03.760 --> 01:43:05.720



they were saying it or the points we're trying to make,177901:43:05.880 --> 01:43:09.720



was to fit the context of their campaign while also178001:43:09.760 --> 01:43:13.560



ignoring how diverse the United States really is. Like every region,178101:43:13.600 --> 01:43:15.359



as you just said, is so different. Like you have178201:43:16.039 --> 01:43:18.680



states that are literally built around a fishing industry, you178301:43:18.680 --> 01:43:21.920



have others built around the cotton industry. You have, you know,178401:43:22.000 --> 01:43:25.319



so many different walks of life. And you know, sure178501:43:25.760 --> 01:43:28.319



it might make sense for this city and this state178601:43:28.399 --> 01:43:31.199



to be completely democratic in their vote, but it may178701:43:31.239 --> 01:43:33.159



not for the next Maybe that needs to be Republican178801:43:33.199 --> 01:43:36.640



for whatever reasons, I think.178901:43:36.720 --> 01:43:39.640



And then the conversations that came out after that, right,179001:43:39.680 --> 01:43:43.079



which is like because you know, and I talked about179101:43:43.079 --> 01:43:46.279



this on another podcast where it was like we had179201:43:46.279 --> 01:43:49.439



all these discussions about Puerto Ricans are going to flock179301:43:49.680 --> 01:43:53.319



to the Democratic Party now because of what a comedian179401:43:53.399 --> 01:43:57.920



said during yeah, during a conference that was going on.179501:43:59.319 --> 01:44:05.359



Guess what what's funny is that an entire base considers179601:44:05.399 --> 01:44:09.079



themselves the diversity base, right, and yet all of those179701:44:09.199 --> 01:44:15.359



diverse thoughts they talk about are done monolithically, meaning yes,179801:44:15.399 --> 01:44:18.960



they're all diverse, they're African American, you know, black, Hispanic,179901:44:20.039 --> 01:44:23.119



all the different races and religions and creeds, but they180001:44:23.159 --> 01:44:27.359



all think the same way. And so we know we're180101:44:27.399 --> 01:44:29.520



going to get the vote of these people because they're180201:44:29.560 --> 01:44:31.239



just going to vote the same way. And that didn't180301:44:31.279 --> 01:44:34.560



happen because Trump disrupted that. And I think that's a180401:44:34.600 --> 01:44:38.560



good thing that he disrupted that. Let's stop looking at people,180501:44:39.079 --> 01:44:41.680



you know, as a monolith. People would look at my180601:44:41.800 --> 01:44:45.479



background and go, oh, you were raised evangelical, you're evangelical,180701:44:45.560 --> 01:44:49.000



Southern Louisiana, white, you have to vote this certain way,180801:44:49.159 --> 01:44:52.279



so that we are gonna not even talk to you180901:44:52.359 --> 01:44:54.760



as a Democrat because you're not going to vote that way.181001:44:55.279 --> 01:44:58.119



You didn't even talk to me, You didn't even ask181101:44:58.199 --> 01:45:02.520



what my perspective was on the economy or foreign affairs181201:45:02.840 --> 01:45:07.119



or things of that nature. Why because you judged me181301:45:07.680 --> 01:45:09.880



just what you're saying the right wing is doing. They're181401:45:09.960 --> 01:45:14.199



judging people based off of their race, color, creed, gender, everything.181501:45:14.800 --> 01:45:17.920



You're judging me based off of the same things. And181601:45:18.000 --> 01:45:23.479



so stop telling everyone else they're the problem and do181701:45:23.640 --> 01:45:28.399



some you know, internal dialogue and understand that it can't181801:45:28.399 --> 01:45:31.680



be everybody that's the problem. No, it's it's like when181901:45:31.680 --> 01:45:34.680



you talk to a guy that's or you know a182001:45:34.720 --> 01:45:37.760



man or a woman who's been divorced five times and182101:45:37.800 --> 01:45:41.640



they go, hey, you know all those all my exes,182201:45:41.680 --> 01:45:44.439



they were just crazy. It's like, have you done some182301:45:44.520 --> 01:45:47.000



internal dialogue. Maybe look at yourself in the mirror. Maybe182401:45:47.039 --> 01:45:50.680



you're the crazy one, because after a certain point, you182501:45:50.800 --> 01:45:52.960



might be the problem. I think that's where the Democratic182601:45:52.960 --> 01:45:55.359



Party's at right now. I think you're the problem.182701:45:55.439 --> 01:45:59.159



I think America's the problem in general. Out with yeah,182801:45:59.199 --> 01:46:02.359



well is outside of okay, people like you and I182901:46:02.399 --> 01:46:05.560



who podcasts, like we put ourselves in a situation where183001:46:05.560 --> 01:46:07.520



we have to talk for an hour, two hours, stars whatever.183101:46:07.880 --> 01:46:10.560



We actually do get to know people based on those conversations,183201:46:10.600 --> 01:46:14.479



and most people don't engage anymore like that. You know,183301:46:14.520 --> 01:46:16.560



they just look at each other and they might say183401:46:16.600 --> 01:46:19.800



a couple of words and they just move on point183501:46:19.840 --> 01:46:24.239



and case. I just had Okay. So for wedding anniversary,183601:46:24.439 --> 01:46:26.960



you know where we got married, the place was closing down.183701:46:27.000 --> 01:46:30.520



The owner sold. So this year wife's like, hey, let's183801:46:30.600 --> 01:46:32.800



let's go out and experienced the place before they close,183901:46:32.800 --> 01:46:34.560



because I guess in December they're gone. They sold the184001:46:34.600 --> 01:46:36.399



land and all that. So we went over there and184101:46:36.439 --> 01:46:38.359



I got to talk. We always end up in the bar.184201:46:38.640 --> 01:46:40.439



I don't know how, you know, starts sinning. We end184301:46:40.520 --> 01:46:42.680



up at the bar. That's where you know, that's just where184401:46:42.720 --> 01:46:45.279



things happen. Right. So we're sitting there and the bartender.184501:46:45.399 --> 01:46:48.199



We're talking and my wife likes to be you know,184601:46:48.239 --> 01:46:50.079



she likes to poke the bear, so to speak. Even184701:46:51.000 --> 01:46:53.600



so she she's like talking about the election, and she184801:46:53.720 --> 01:46:55.880



just she can tell by the conversation. She just kept184901:46:55.880 --> 01:46:58.159



saying Trump's name, and I'm just sitting here. She goes,185001:46:58.640 --> 01:47:00.920



come on, you have a podc why don't. I'm like,185101:47:01.079 --> 01:47:05.000



hold on, let's not do this. So anyway, we get185201:47:05.119 --> 01:47:08.600



talking and and the whole the whole point. I was okay,185301:47:08.600 --> 01:47:12.479



I engaged, but I was like everyone expects, like for me,185401:47:12.640 --> 01:47:14.640



for example, that I'm just gonna go out and start185501:47:14.680 --> 01:47:17.359



snapping at people and correcting them or doing whatever. But185601:47:17.439 --> 01:47:19.000



that's not what I like to do. I like to185701:47:19.000 --> 01:47:21.399



sit there and take it in. They gave me the opportunity.185801:47:21.680 --> 01:47:24.279



This guy was extreme left, by the way, which is fine.185901:47:24.760 --> 01:47:26.960



But in talking to that person and not being an186001:47:27.000 --> 01:47:30.359



asshole myself like I usually can be, I was able186101:47:30.359 --> 01:47:32.319



to get that guy's perspective, and that's the thing that186201:47:32.359 --> 01:47:34.600



we need is to talk because you don't know why186301:47:34.640 --> 01:47:37.960



that person thinks that way. Okay, that's we're all brought186401:47:38.039 --> 01:47:40.359



up differently, we all have our own experiences, and they're186501:47:40.359 --> 01:47:44.119



never necessarily exactly the same. There's a reason this person186601:47:44.840 --> 01:47:47.399



shows that. It could be due to just what they186701:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.319



read or here on MSNBC. But for the most part,186801:47:50.359 --> 01:47:52.800



that's not always the case. You know, there's there's always186901:47:52.840 --> 01:47:55.119



something you know, deeper that we got to get to187001:47:55.600 --> 01:47:57.960



and get out of the other person to understand them.187101:47:58.039 --> 01:47:59.640



And you don't have to agree, but at least you187201:47:59.640 --> 01:48:01.720



can walk away going Okay, I get it, I get it,187301:48:02.199 --> 01:48:04.079



and you can respect that person for who they are.187401:48:04.720 --> 01:48:07.119



And I don't think we're doing that anymore as Americans.187501:48:07.199 --> 01:48:10.279



Just I think that's where conversations should end.187601:48:10.840 --> 01:48:11.039



Right.187701:48:11.119 --> 01:48:16.119



Look, we're not all here to to be Ben Shapiro187801:48:16.640 --> 01:48:19.800



or someone else who owns the left or owns the187901:48:19.880 --> 01:48:23.600



right and have all these grand, grandiose debates and stuff188001:48:23.640 --> 01:48:26.439



like that. That's not what we're here for. There's a188101:48:26.479 --> 01:48:30.279



time and place for it, but in a regular conversation,188201:48:30.359 --> 01:48:32.880



I absolutely understand where you're coming from. At a bar,188301:48:33.079 --> 01:48:38.039



especially because that's typically you sit at a bar. I'm188401:48:38.039 --> 01:48:41.359



a big called an introverted extra extrovert, which means I188501:48:41.479 --> 01:48:44.000



like to get out and do things. But I'm not188601:48:44.119 --> 01:48:47.239



the kind of guy like yourself that what you did188701:48:47.239 --> 01:48:50.560



say that sometimes you will engage and stuff, But at188801:48:50.560 --> 01:48:53.760



a bar, typically people will try to engage with me188901:48:53.800 --> 01:48:56.600



because that's hey, we're in this social environment. I don't189001:48:56.600 --> 01:48:58.720



want to be engaged at that point because I'm just189101:48:58.760 --> 01:49:00.640



there to have a couple of drinks. Most of the189201:49:00.680 --> 01:49:02.279



time i'm with my wife. I just want to talk189301:49:02.279 --> 01:49:06.079



to her. That's outside of specially politics, but I'm just189401:49:06.119 --> 01:49:10.279



there to listen. Yeah, so I'm not here for the189501:49:10.319 --> 01:49:14.479



great questions of like, what's your perspective on this? I189601:49:14.560 --> 01:49:17.279



want to know what do you think is really happened?189701:49:17.279 --> 01:49:20.479



And that's why I think podcasting is incredible with what189801:49:20.520 --> 01:49:22.920



we've been able to do, which is sit down with189901:49:23.039 --> 01:49:27.279



people who otherwise may have a different opinion and just190001:49:27.359 --> 01:49:30.039



have a conversation. And at the end of the conversation,190101:49:30.520 --> 01:49:32.920



it's not this big debate where we hate each other's190201:49:33.439 --> 01:49:36.640



guts and then we never talk to each other. It's well,190301:49:36.680 --> 01:49:38.880



I'm glad I got your perspective on that. It might190401:49:38.920 --> 01:49:41.000



not have changed my opinion on it, but at least190501:49:41.079 --> 01:49:42.880



now I know where you're coming from, so that when190601:49:42.880 --> 01:49:46.840



you do make a statement in the future, I understand190701:49:46.880 --> 01:49:50.920



it's through this worldview and you're emotional and you have190801:49:50.960 --> 01:49:53.199



an emotional response to it, and I can be down190901:49:53.239 --> 01:49:56.239



for that. I can get behind an emotional response to things,191001:49:57.159 --> 01:49:59.680



understanding that's probably not the truth, but it is the191101:49:59.680 --> 01:50:02.199



truth than how you feel about what's.191201:50:02.000 --> 01:50:03.840



Going on right right.191301:50:04.199 --> 01:50:06.560



I'm not here to change your mind. I'm really not.191401:50:06.800 --> 01:50:09.800



I'm here to give you facts, to give you the191501:50:10.119 --> 01:50:14.000



information as I see it, and hopefully you'll understand what's191601:50:14.039 --> 01:50:17.520



really working, what's really going on. But to change your opinion,191701:50:17.800 --> 01:50:21.119



I don't care. I don't care if you think, you know,191801:50:22.239 --> 01:50:25.239



we should be supporting Ukraine or if Russia was right191901:50:25.359 --> 01:50:28.279



to get into Ukraine. I really don't care. That's for192001:50:28.359 --> 01:50:31.640



the that's for Putin and Zelensky to worry about. What192101:50:31.680 --> 01:50:35.079



I care about is what are what are you thinking192201:50:35.119 --> 01:50:37.239



on a personal level, how are you feeling, how's your192301:50:37.279 --> 01:50:41.840



family doing? Are you okay in this economy? Is what's192401:50:41.880 --> 01:50:44.079



going on in this world really benefiting you? Or do192501:50:44.119 --> 01:50:46.359



you think we should have, we should make some changes192601:50:46.439 --> 01:50:50.039



in this country. That's what I think the conversation should be.192701:50:50.880 --> 01:50:52.760



So if I talk to somebody who's a a Kamala192801:50:52.840 --> 01:50:55.880



Harris supporter, and maybe I'm not a Kamala Harris supporter,192901:50:55.960 --> 01:50:58.239



and they say, I really think she would be great193001:50:58.479 --> 01:51:01.680



for this country because there's a bridge there that she193101:51:01.760 --> 01:51:03.840



would you know, there's a gap there that she would193201:51:03.920 --> 01:51:08.119



bridge into another administration. And I think that. You know,193301:51:08.239 --> 01:51:11.359



she's very calm, cool and collected in her responses, and193401:51:11.399 --> 01:51:13.800



I think that's good for the country. I go, Okay,193501:51:14.079 --> 01:51:16.359



I can get behind that. You didn't change my opinion193601:51:16.960 --> 01:51:18.760



on her, but at least now I know where you're193701:51:18.800 --> 01:51:21.039



coming from and we can have a conversation about that.193801:51:21.880 --> 01:51:24.560



I can do that for Trump if you think, well,193901:51:24.760 --> 01:51:27.520



I think Trump draining the swamp in DC and helping194001:51:27.560 --> 01:51:29.520



out the that's going to help the economy and it's194101:51:29.520 --> 01:51:31.000



going to be better for me and my family, and194201:51:31.000 --> 01:51:31.760



that's why I'm going to.194301:51:31.720 --> 01:51:32.239



Vote for him.194401:51:32.600 --> 01:51:35.600



I can go, I get that, I understand that it's194501:51:35.680 --> 01:51:39.119



not about all these other initiatives that are going on.194601:51:39.600 --> 01:51:42.439



You're thinking about yourself personally, and I can get behind that.194701:51:43.159 --> 01:51:46.920



Well, yeah, but yet any you know, everybody likes to194801:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.920



judge you based on making a decision, make a decision194901:51:51.960 --> 01:51:55.199



based on how you're feeling or what you're going through,195001:51:55.399 --> 01:51:58.520



Like using economy as example. Maybe they feel what if195101:51:58.520 --> 01:52:03.439



for Trump would move their life because of the you know,195201:52:03.439 --> 01:52:07.000



improving the economy, and then right away you're a Trumpster195301:52:07.199 --> 01:52:10.359



or you're a far right fascist or you know. It's195401:52:10.439 --> 01:52:13.520



ridiculous and that that's the issue we have with social media. Look,195501:52:13.560 --> 01:52:15.319



that is not the platform to have a debate. Everyone195601:52:15.359 --> 01:52:18.399



always says, oh, we can't have we can't have real195701:52:18.439 --> 01:52:21.359



debates and discussion. Look, in less than three hundred words,195801:52:21.359 --> 01:52:23.039



you can't make a point. There's just no way.195901:52:23.119 --> 01:52:25.560



You absolutely cannot have a debate. I would have known196001:52:25.600 --> 01:52:27.520



with people who go, oh, we can't have a debate196101:52:27.560 --> 01:52:31.159



here on Twitter, you absolutely can't. No, you can't half196201:52:31.199 --> 01:52:33.680



the time because I can't tell sarcasm. And I'm a196301:52:33.720 --> 01:52:37.039



sarcasm guy. If you know me personally, half of like196401:52:37.159 --> 01:52:39.359



ninety percent of my conversation is going to be sarcasm.196501:52:39.600 --> 01:52:41.359



That does not come through on Twitter.196601:52:41.640 --> 01:52:44.800



Let me tell you it doesn't. Well. And the problem196701:52:44.880 --> 01:52:47.000



with some since we talked about podcasting, for example, The196801:52:47.039 --> 01:52:49.640



problem with some personalities, especially in the news and political196901:52:49.720 --> 01:52:53.800



side of things, is they're too evangelical about their messaging.197001:52:53.960 --> 01:52:56.119



You know, I'll just use you know, you said Ben197101:52:56.159 --> 01:52:58.439



Shapiro earlier. We don't want to be like him because197201:52:58.560 --> 01:53:00.600



you know, first off, I'm not going to it's not197301:53:00.720 --> 01:53:02.840



my goal. But I'll use like a damn boung Gino197401:53:02.840 --> 01:53:05.479



as an example too. I listen to them every once197501:53:05.479 --> 01:53:07.880



in a while, and every time I do, it's like, man,197601:53:09.079 --> 01:53:14.159



it's it's almost like hearing a preacher, you know, yeah,197701:53:14.239 --> 01:53:16.760



up on their platform, just talking to their flock, and197801:53:16.800 --> 01:53:20.399



it's like he's a smart guy. But sometimes, like, you know,197901:53:21.239 --> 01:53:23.199



that's enough. I get it, Okay, I got my thirst198001:53:23.239 --> 01:53:24.960



in fifteen thirty minutes, a's we want to the next198101:53:25.159 --> 01:53:29.439



and I just I just think that it gets to198201:53:29.479 --> 01:53:30.000



be too much.198301:53:30.039 --> 01:53:33.960



So in that capacity, yeah, the interesting things to me198401:53:34.159 --> 01:53:38.000



in that capacity is when someone like that says something198501:53:38.039 --> 01:53:42.600



that goes against what I would consider their audience or198601:53:42.600 --> 01:53:45.199



their base would say. So the interesting thing to me198701:53:46.239 --> 01:53:51.199



is when a Dan Bondino or a Ben Shapiro actually198801:53:51.239 --> 01:53:55.760



goes against a right wing talking point and says, oh,198901:53:55.800 --> 01:53:59.560



I see all of this commentary online. But actually, this199001:53:59.640 --> 01:54:03.199



is what's happening. I think they're actually being honest at199101:54:03.199 --> 01:54:06.239



that point. They're not being honest when they're just regurgitating,199201:54:06.880 --> 01:54:10.079



you know, talking points, which most of them actually do.199301:54:10.159 --> 01:54:13.239



It's just a bunch of talking points. Listen. I'm an199401:54:13.279 --> 01:54:17.079



independent podcast. No, I have no producer that writes up199501:54:17.079 --> 01:54:19.600



what I'm gonna say and says, Okay, this is the199601:54:19.640 --> 01:54:21.479



script you're going to follow, say this, this, and this.199701:54:21.560 --> 01:54:24.199



You can't say that because that's gonna not get our199801:54:24.239 --> 01:54:29.159



audience revolved. Those Ben Shapiro types and then Rachel Maddow199901:54:29.239 --> 01:54:32.119



on the left and all of those, they have producers200001:54:32.199 --> 01:54:34.439



telling them you can't say that. You have to say this.200101:54:35.000 --> 01:54:37.840



I know this isn't what you mean, but you can't200201:54:37.840 --> 01:54:40.800



say it. I know this is actually how you feel,200301:54:40.800 --> 01:54:43.800



but you're gonna have to say something else. And I200401:54:43.840 --> 01:54:48.840



got about five more minutes. But I do think we've200501:54:49.399 --> 01:54:52.479



You've got to first understand where these people are coming from.200601:54:52.960 --> 01:54:56.079



And I do appreciate these right wing commentators and the200701:54:56.159 --> 01:54:59.199



left wing commentators because at least you know where they stand.200801:55:00.399 --> 01:55:03.600



So when they're saying a bunch of things that you200901:55:03.680 --> 01:55:06.439



agree with, now you know, okay, that's a right wing201001:55:06.840 --> 01:55:08.760



kind of talking point, that's a left wing talk I.201101:55:08.760 --> 01:55:10.479



Think they I think you know where they stand. But201201:55:10.520 --> 01:55:12.520



I also think that they found the form of that201301:55:12.600 --> 01:55:15.560



works to keep the money coming in as well. Yeah,201401:55:15.640 --> 01:55:17.640



you know, and so they're just they're just keeping up201501:55:17.640 --> 01:55:20.039



with what works to keep their pockets full. I mean,201601:55:20.119 --> 01:55:23.520



let's be honest, I think that's oftentimes more the more201701:55:23.600 --> 01:55:26.920



the point, unless you're a Joe Rogan who's popular and201801:55:26.960 --> 01:55:29.439



doesn't give a shit and he just I mean, one201901:55:29.520 --> 01:55:32.720



day he says one, how many of those are he doesn't? Right,202001:55:32.760 --> 01:55:33.199



he's rare.202101:55:33.279 --> 01:55:36.000



Yeah, he's a one of one. Yeah, you know, And202201:55:36.039 --> 01:55:38.680



I think everybody who's who's trying I'm sorry, I won't202301:55:38.680 --> 01:55:39.199



derail it.202401:55:39.279 --> 01:55:42.800



Oh no, it's not that. I just because you and202501:55:42.840 --> 01:55:44.439



I both got to go. I had, like, I literally202601:55:44.479 --> 01:55:46.640



have to get and I have to drive another thirty202701:55:46.640 --> 01:55:50.760



minutes to do my next thing. But before that, before that, uh,202801:55:50.840 --> 01:55:53.800



let's do the Tulsi gabber thing. Because you're the intelligence guy,202901:55:53.840 --> 01:55:56.640



this was your background. Why is she not a good203001:55:56.680 --> 01:55:58.319



pick for the role.203101:55:58.479 --> 01:56:02.279



Well, okay, first of us, zero at, let me let203201:56:02.319 --> 01:56:04.600



me get into the mic. Here, can you fix this203301:56:04.720 --> 01:56:11.720



audience if I'm screaming, she has zero intelligence experience. And203401:56:11.760 --> 01:56:13.640



now you might say, and I've heard some people who203501:56:13.680 --> 01:56:17.760



are very smart that I might even respect, who say,203601:56:17.760 --> 01:56:20.279



that's the whole point. You get her in there to203701:56:20.680 --> 01:56:25.000



shake things up, not the Director of National Intelligence. I203801:56:25.000 --> 01:56:26.920



don't know if a lot of people understand the Director203901:56:26.960 --> 01:56:31.000



of National Intelligence is over the CIA, that's over the DIA,204001:56:31.600 --> 01:56:36.119



the Defense Intelligence Agency, that's over the Nssay, they control204101:56:36.199 --> 01:56:41.239



the entire intelligence apparatus. She has zero experience. If you204201:56:41.239 --> 01:56:44.960



want to put her as you in your cabinet, as204301:56:44.960 --> 01:56:50.880



a VA representative of veterans assistance, or find something else204401:56:51.079 --> 01:56:56.439



where she's involved in a military capacity or a veteran capacity.204501:56:56.680 --> 01:56:59.520



I have no problems with Tulsi Gabbert. I really don't.204601:56:59.720 --> 01:57:03.479



I think that all of this talk about her being204701:57:03.520 --> 01:57:05.840



some Russian plant, you're gonna have to show me evidence.204801:57:06.119 --> 01:57:08.520



No one's been able to quantify the evidence that she's204901:57:08.720 --> 01:57:11.640



she's a Russian plant. Does she say some things that205001:57:11.680 --> 01:57:15.760



are Russian talking points? Okay, well those are talking points205101:57:16.159 --> 01:57:18.680



that a lot of people are saying, not just the Russians.205201:57:19.760 --> 01:57:21.640



So those are that's part of her worldview, that's part205301:57:21.680 --> 01:57:23.720



of her belief. She can say all of that stuff205401:57:24.439 --> 01:57:28.800



from a military capacity. She's very capable. She's working civil205501:57:28.800 --> 01:57:32.600



affairs in the in special operations in areas that I've205601:57:32.640 --> 01:57:37.079



worked in. I told you this before. Her unit was205701:57:37.079 --> 01:57:39.199



attached to my unit when I was deployed, you know,205801:57:39.239 --> 01:57:42.239



so we deployed at the same time in different locations.205901:57:42.279 --> 01:57:44.399



But she was a combat medic and I was an206001:57:44.399 --> 01:57:50.000



intelligence professional. If she's the Director of National Intelligence, that's206101:57:50.039 --> 01:57:54.399



a problem, I think now full disclosure. I've also reached206201:57:54.399 --> 01:57:59.079



out to the Tulsi, to Tulsi's team, I would say206301:57:59.680 --> 01:58:03.279



and asked, I don't expect any response, And if she's listening,206401:58:03.479 --> 01:58:05.880



or anyone from her team or anyone that supports hers206501:58:05.960 --> 01:58:07.920



listening to this, if you want to get me in206601:58:07.960 --> 01:58:11.760



touch with her. I'm absolutely sincere when I say this.206701:58:12.680 --> 01:58:19.640



I would be a conduit to her moving into the206801:58:19.640 --> 01:58:23.800



Director of National Intelligence. I could consult on that, and206901:58:23.840 --> 01:58:26.720



I would be perfectly willing to do that. And if207001:58:26.760 --> 01:58:28.560



she took me up on that, I'd have a totally207101:58:28.640 --> 01:58:32.479



different opinion, not because of personal reasons, but because she207201:58:32.680 --> 01:58:36.560



understands that she doesn't have full on experience and she207301:58:36.600 --> 01:58:38.600



wants to put a team around her that does have207401:58:38.640 --> 01:58:42.720



the experience where her experience is in a leadership capacity.207501:58:43.119 --> 01:58:45.600



So I'm here to lead my team. They can go207601:58:45.640 --> 01:58:47.600



off and do great things. I'm just going to be207701:58:47.640 --> 01:58:49.760



the figurehead in the face of this organization.207801:58:49.840 --> 01:58:52.720



Do you think she'd be absolutely to do that to207901:58:53.840 --> 01:58:56.640



I think I'm going to find out and to do208001:58:56.680 --> 01:58:59.720



that right, to put people around her that do have208101:58:59.720 --> 01:59:02.399



the experience to help her be the leader she should208201:59:02.479 --> 01:59:03.439



be in that position.208301:59:03.520 --> 01:59:05.840



So there, I would hope so, I would hope so.208401:59:06.039 --> 01:59:10.720



But there's also something that is I'm trying to find208501:59:10.760 --> 01:59:14.079



the right word here in enough time, there's something more208601:59:14.119 --> 01:59:19.159



powerful than that experience and then be wanting to be208701:59:19.199 --> 01:59:22.399



a leader, and that's vindictiveness. That's something as somebody who's208801:59:22.399 --> 01:59:25.039



a New Orleans Saints fan from the New Orleans area,208901:59:25.079 --> 01:59:29.439



we're very petty people. Uh So go look at the209001:59:29.520 --> 01:59:32.319



years with Sean Payton and now how we feel about209101:59:33.079 --> 01:59:36.479



I loved it watching it, actually, but we're very petty.209201:59:37.920 --> 01:59:43.439



I hope that that powerful vindictiveness doesn't come through with her.209301:59:45.279 --> 01:59:48.399



She's as a leader, she could be very good. Is209401:59:48.439 --> 01:59:50.520



she going to put a good team around her? That's209501:59:50.600 --> 01:59:52.960



my worry. That is My only worry it has nothing209601:59:53.000 --> 01:59:56.000



to do with her as an individual. It does have209701:59:56.079 --> 01:59:58.079



things to do with her experience, and that she doesn't209801:59:58.079 --> 02:00:02.960



have the experience to control the entire higher intelligence apparatus209902:00:03.079 --> 02:00:07.720



within this country. And if you think that the intelligence210002:00:07.720 --> 02:00:10.479



community needs to be completely dismantled and that's going to210102:00:10.520 --> 02:00:13.359



fix all the problems in America, I have. I've got210202:00:13.399 --> 02:00:17.600



some ocean front property in Arizona that I'm just waiting210302:00:17.600 --> 02:00:20.239



for you to purchase from me, because that is absolutely false.210402:00:20.279 --> 02:00:22.279



I was gonna say, there's way too many moving pieces210502:00:22.319 --> 02:00:27.680



for that to be Yes the solution, No way. Okay, Well,210602:00:27.880 --> 02:00:30.800



those are all valid, especially from someone with the actual210702:00:30.800 --> 02:00:35.560



experience as yourself. I like her. I didn't expect this210802:00:35.640 --> 02:00:37.760



to be her appointment, to be quite honest, I really210902:00:37.800 --> 02:00:40.520



didn't I when I heard when I heard about this,211002:00:40.600 --> 02:00:44.399



I was like, I okay, you know my reaction was like,211102:00:44.439 --> 02:00:47.279



I good for her, but not what I expected.211202:00:47.880 --> 02:00:50.760



Well, I have twenty plus years in the intelligence community. Yeah,211302:00:50.840 --> 02:00:55.359



and I can't get into the office of the Director211402:00:55.520 --> 02:00:56.319



of National Intel.211502:00:56.479 --> 02:00:59.039



It's crazy, right, I just did not expect for her211602:00:59.079 --> 02:01:01.479



to be appointed in that position. You know something else,211702:01:01.520 --> 02:01:05.560



Like you said, I would have. There's other things that, yeah,211802:01:05.680 --> 02:01:08.279



that I could have seen her definitely stepping into and211902:01:08.319 --> 02:01:13.079



doing an amazing job based on her actual experience, but intelligence.212002:01:12.600 --> 02:01:14.399



You could have done health and human services as well.212102:01:14.439 --> 02:01:17.239



I mean, yeah, she was a medic, a combat medic.212202:01:17.760 --> 02:01:20.920



Basically in her capacity, she was a doctor. I can212302:01:20.920 --> 02:01:25.279



say that wholeheartedly. She was a doctor. She could have212402:01:25.279 --> 02:01:28.119



been great health and human services. We'll never know.212502:01:28.880 --> 02:01:31.680



Well, like I'm hoping, she does what you say and212602:01:31.720 --> 02:01:36.159



she puts a real team around her and she relies212702:01:36.199 --> 02:01:41.279



on that team. And if you're listening, reach out. If212802:01:41.319 --> 02:01:44.199



you move on and you're part of her team, I212902:01:44.199 --> 02:01:45.520



hope we can still stay connected.213002:01:46.239 --> 02:01:50.760



Oh absolutely, you'll be the first person that call right anyway,213102:01:51.479 --> 02:01:53.840



I don't expect it, but you never know.213202:01:53.920 --> 02:01:55.880



Man, you know what, I'll tell you what We'll make well.213302:01:56.079 --> 02:01:57.680



I'll do my best to make sure she hears this.213402:01:58.560 --> 02:02:03.000



Thank you however I can. Anyway, all right, we got213502:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.720



that out of the way, and I appreciate your take213602:02:05.760 --> 02:02:09.800



on that and explaining everything's going on in Russia. And213702:02:10.000 --> 02:02:12.239



you know, I know you you're gonna be back again213802:02:12.439 --> 02:02:15.520



down the road, and you have to. I'm sure China213902:02:15.600 --> 02:02:19.159



may be the next conversation. Let's hope not, but let214002:02:19.279 --> 02:02:20.560



hope not too soon it will be.214102:02:20.760 --> 02:02:23.159



My hope is not in the next year, but maybe,214202:02:23.359 --> 02:02:25.640



uh maybe two years from now, that's the hope.214302:02:25.720 --> 02:02:29.039



Yeah. Well, hey, thanks for coming on and taking time214402:02:29.520 --> 02:02:32.960



and absolutely man, definitely want you back again again. I'll214502:02:32.960 --> 02:02:35.960



always stay in touch with you. So again, appreciate you214602:02:36.239 --> 02:02:40.399



clearing all that Russia stuff up. And hopefully people's minds214702:02:40.399 --> 02:02:42.479



are at ease after they hear this. In turn, you know,214802:02:42.520 --> 02:02:44.960



in regard to us not getting into a nuclear war214902:02:45.760 --> 02:02:47.960



and now that we have an understanding like, hey, a215002:02:48.000 --> 02:02:49.640



lot of us is posturing. He's just trying to look215102:02:49.640 --> 02:02:51.560



good for his people, and you know, we know he215202:02:51.600 --> 02:02:55.199



doesn't want that. And then as far as Tolsy goes,215302:02:55.479 --> 02:02:57.880



great to hear from you because your perspective matters on that.215402:02:57.920 --> 02:02:59.159



I mean, you, like I said, twenty years in the215502:02:59.199 --> 02:03:01.920



intelligence community and for you and I were both kind215602:03:01.960 --> 02:03:05.800



of like like her, but didn't expect that appointment. What's215702:03:06.199 --> 02:03:10.199



that was? That was kind of like okay, sure, but yeah,215802:03:10.319 --> 02:03:11.840



let me let you go, man, I know you gotta go.215902:03:12.000 --> 02:03:16.199



I gotta go, all right, Thank you very much. Yeah,216002:03:16.359 --> 02:03:17.119



I have a good one.216102:03:17.680 --> 02:03:21.000



Well, thank you everyone for hanging in there and taking216202:03:21.000 --> 02:03:25.399



in all that information. And remember to like and subscribe216302:03:25.600 --> 02:03:29.319



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