Nov. 20, 2024

48 - KERVIN AUCOIN - PUTIN'S NUCLEAR THREAT, ELECTION OUTCOME, OSINT, AND TULSI GABBARD

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What is really going on with Russia's nuclear threat and NATO allies supplying weapons to Ukraine. I sit down with Kervin Aucoin from This Week Explained, and he sheds light on what to expect backed by data and 20 years of experience as an intelligence analyst. We also talk about the election outcome, OSINT, and Tulsi Gabbards appointment as Director of National Intelligence.

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Today we welcome back Curvin Oakwyn, host of the podcast

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this Week, explained he is also an intelligence analyst with

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over twenty years experience. He helps shed the light on

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the situation in Russia and Ukraine, especially after Biden had

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given Ukraine the green light to use US made missiles

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to launch attacks against Russian territories. We also discuss how

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Putin's claim of using nuclear weapons and retaliation against Ukraine

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for using US made missiles is nothing more than posturing

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and that we need to stop talking about World War three.

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Curvin and I then go on to touch on the

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election outcome, truth and information in social media, the validity

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of podcasting, and we also discuss Tulsi Gabbert's new appointment

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as head of National Intelligence, what that means and if

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she is qualified for the role. You are listening to

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a FONDS Network production.

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Take my eyes open, the fussyity like you just let

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me in my way.

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Hell little wood Blaze listeners. Today, I welcome Curvin back

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to the show and Curvin, how you doing. I'm doing well.

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We've had a little pre game earlier.

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Hey, let me first say I am excited to be back.

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I really enjoyed the last conversation. I know that you know,

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we've been back and forth trying to get this scheduled.

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Some new things are popping up in the geopolitical realm.

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I'm sure everybody is hearing of so, so the fact

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that you're flexible and that you have let me come

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back on and say my piece and all of this

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I really appreciative. Man. I love this show. I love

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being a part of it, and hopefully we don't get

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too wild today.

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Well, so, like I said earlier, you know, we had

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a little talk previously before I pressure record button and

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just catching up in you know, reality is I did

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want to go in a different direction at first, but

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I know that you don't want to talk about it again.

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But this whole thing that's going on in Ukraine, it's

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hard to ignore. I know you've been on a few

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broadcasts already and you have some other things I nd

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up with, you know, news Live News. So that's awesome

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that people are reaching out to you for that and

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for clarity. So that's great, and I'm glad you're here

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to be honest because you keep us honest and you

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can correct me on stuff that I'm probably wrong on.

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But with everything going on, and I know you're busy

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because I see that you're very active right now because

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of this.

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Yeah, my socials are so so active. It's good and bad.

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I'll say that.

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Yeah, well hopefully this is all good. But yeah, I

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have Okay, Trump one, we're going to get past that,

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you know, his cabinet picks whatever. I know, we don't

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want to do all on that because personally, I'm like,

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I'm on the same pager as I kind of want

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to move on and talk about other important things. Right. Yeah,

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there's a few candidates or picks that I'll go over later,

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not here my own show, and I'll deep dive and

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you know, i'll give them my give my opinion on that.

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I will ask you as we talked about earlier about Tulci,

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but kicked that can down the road just a little

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bit for now. Let's get but let's get into what's

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going on in Ukraine. The whole thing that I can't

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believe that. Okay, I have theories on this, and but firstly,

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Biden give them the ok in the green lights to

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Ukraine to use US made weapons. And then after that, yeah,

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France in Britain that said yes you can use ours

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as well. And then Putin's response is literally, I mean

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just reiterating what he said before uh the election, in saying, hey,

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if you allow this, I'm going to look at that

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as you being directly involved in this war. Thoughts on that, yeah,

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a lot.

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So open ended question, I get it, but that's actually

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the thought on everybody's mind, right And well, I've been

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very consistent on this from from the beginning that Ukraine

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asked for, especially the attack ons, which is the US

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capable long range missile system tactical missiles, and I was

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very consistent that I think Ukraine should be allowed to

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use this. You know, they were given them if they

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need to use them in Russian territory. Russia invaded Ukraine.

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Have we forgotten that unless you are just a completely

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pro Russian person, which some people are, and I get that,

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if you're just sitting there looking at this from a

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nuanced perspective, and you've got Russia sending missiles to Kiev,

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to Laviv, which is closer to the Polish border than

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it is to the Russian border, why not why not

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have so Russia is using Ukraine. Sorry one second, here,

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Russia is using Iranian provided weapons. They're using North Korean

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provided weapons. They're using Chinese provided weapons to attack Ukraine

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in Ukrainian territory, so why not use Western munitions deeper

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into Russia territory? And I get that it's because Putin

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has said he nuclear weapons are not off the table.

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It's going to be a war with NATO. But he

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has said this from the very beginning, from the moment

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he made that miscalculation for a push in to Kiev.

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He has said anything that the West done, that the

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West does is a red line for Russia, and they're

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going to attack NATO if that happens. F sixteen's that

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was a red line. One A one Abrams. Those are

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the tanks that the US provided. And I'm really coming

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from a US perspective here because I'm a US intelligence professional.

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I was a US Army So if you hear a

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lot of me talking about the US stuff, that's because

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I know it in Trent, like I know a lot

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about this. So all of those, if they're used, then

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that's a red line for Putin. He could use nuclear weapons.

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Not a single time have those happened that he has

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actually solidified that as a red line used nuclear weapons.

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So what does that tell you? It tells you he's

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a bully and that not a lot of the things

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he says is actually true. So at that point, like

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Mike Tyson, funny, Mike Tyson, he just had a fight

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with with Jake Paul that was kind of a big disappointment.

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But Mike Tyson famously saying everybody has a plan until

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you punch him in the mouth.

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Yes, they do. So it's is it hoot and posturing?

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I mean, are these really just veiled threats you think?

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Or is he really getting closer to saying fuck it? No?

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I don't. I don't think he's at a fuck it moment? Which, uh, which,

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thank you for starting that off. So I know where

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my language barriers are.

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Like we're good.

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I could get quiet, I know I've already been on,

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but I can get quite wild sometimes. It's Yeah, My

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point that I'm waiting for is the cat in the corner.

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Anybody who has cats or have ever dealt with cats,

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If you put them in a corner and you you

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interrogate them or move to towards them, it's complete chaos

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as soon as they get in that corner, and there's

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no way out. Once putin's backed in a corner and

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there's no way out. That's the moment I think nuclear

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weapons are used. So how do you do that? You

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attack Putin personally, much like Israel does with Hezbolah leadership

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and Hamas leadership and stuff, where you're attacking the leaders,

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not just fighting a war.

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But does that in your panda, Ukraine themselves have that

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capability or would they have to rely on outside agencies

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to make it?

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Yeah, they would, they would, definitely, And I don't think

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I honestly don't think Ukraine has a desire to I

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would hope, not honestly, to kill Vladimir Putin. Say whatever

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you want about Vladimir Putin. Yes, he's a dictator, he's

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maybe a despot, he's all of these terrible things. But

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you assassinate a leader of a country. Yes, Russia is

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a free country because I get the elections are not

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one hundred percent fair and balanced, but the majority if

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you talk to Russians, and I've talked to Russians, I've

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been in Russia, they love Putin. He has quite a

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big approval rating in Russia. Take out all of this

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in interference and him, you know, bumping the numbers up

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people in Russia love him, even the moderates. If you

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kill Vladimir Putin, that's the point where I think if

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he sees that he's about to be assassinated, he will

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use nuclear weapons because so what, what the fuck, I'm

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just gonna do it, kill the whole world, that's my legacy.

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Who's going to remember anyway, that's the moment that he

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does it. I don't think it's a good idea to

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do that at all. And also Ukraine just doesn't have

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the capabilities to do that, right.

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I'm kind of thinking that for as bad as Putin,

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maybe in our eyes or in most of the world's eyes,

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if that did happen, I think they would just lead

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to further chaos, you know, because everyone's gonna come out

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of the would work trying to take charge, and probably

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people even worse than him. He may be the only

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one actually keeping things stable there, even though we don't

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think he is.

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Just my opinion, yeah, absolutely, no, your your opinion is

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factually correct. You make him into a martyr. He then

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goes from a global pariah into a global martyr. Not

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for maybe not for everybody, but yeah, there will be

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a majority of people around the globe who say that

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was the wrong thing to do. Don't. I don't believe

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that you should have done that. And now we're going

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to actually mourn his death no matter what happens. Look,

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the guy has done a lot of terrible things. He's

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not Hitler. Hitler is on a whole different level. This

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is part of my problem with every presidential candidate post

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World War two is hitler because they don't agree with

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my belief system. Just because somebody doesn't believe what doesn't

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believe the same as you doesn't make them hitler. Right now,

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if they round up six million Jews and start to

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kill them indiscriminately, that's that's a hitler. What Putin is

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doing is more on the level of like a Napoleon,

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somebody who sees himself as a world leader, not just

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a Russian leader, and wants to, you know, his legacy

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is more important than anything else in his life.

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I agree with that, you know, especially as he's getting older.

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I think he wants to be known for someone who

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is considered to be great in the world. And I'm

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not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and disagree with

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anything you said in terms of Ukraine defending themselves because

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they should, any nation should be able to defend themselves.

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And it's crazy that, you know, Putin will put out

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this mandate about, you know, considering anybody to be direct

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involved in the war, just for using weapons manufactured by

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other countries such as ourselves, such as the USA. Yet

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like you said, he's using weapons supplied by his allies,

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which is which is not a problem. Apparently question though,

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because he just he just had another press release where

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where Yeah, he brought that. I know you I was

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gonna play it, but I'm sure you saw it. You're

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probably way ahead of me. Anyways, been a rough couple

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of days.

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I'm still trying to run back, but he's he's reiterating.

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But he did so when I watched I watch a

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few different version because I don't speak Russians. I just

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watched different translations to try to compare them to see

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the consistency in them, and each one. I he did say,

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and this is where I asked you if you thought

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it was a vailed threat, because he did say he

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would under consideration if it was verifiable evidence of direct involvement.

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So he says all these things like, well, I will

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use them because I will consider this. You know I

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will consider the US being directly involved now because they okay,

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do you Craine to use these weapons? But then later in

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the speech he says, but given verifiable evidence. So I'm

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not really sure where he's at with that other than

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that's That's why I was asking if you thought it

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was posturing, because it seems like he's just trying trying

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not to look weak to his people at this point.

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So that's exactly it, what you said at the end.

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That's what he's doing, okay, And it's something every leader does, right,

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so they understand, Hey, now we're getting hit by attackers.

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It's a military site that's being hit. But the people

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of Russia know this. They're not completely in the dark

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about what's happening. So they're seeing, well, Ukraine's using these

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US provided munitions and they're hitting within Russia. Putin what

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are you doing about it? He has to come up

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and do this press conference and do this public event

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where he says, listen, if we have verifiable, one hundred

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percent evidence that NATO is providing munitions that are being

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used in this war to attack Russian people in Russia,

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all bets are off. We're going nuclear. He has to

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say that, is he going to do it, so all

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bets are off, I think if a and this is

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part of my problem with allowing Ukraine to use these

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weapons for long range, they have to be very accurate,

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and these weapons are very accurate. But if there's a

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misstrike and it hits a civilian population, now the attackers

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can't reach Moscow, they can reach other populations within Russia.

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If it hits a population center and it's a mass

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casualty of civilians that happens, I don't think Putin has

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any other choice than to use nuclear weapons. Now I'm

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not saying global nuclear war. I'm saying tactical nuclear weapons

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in the war in Ukraine to defeat one hundred percent

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defeat the Ukrainian military, that's what he's going to be using.

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So all this conversation about global nuclear war, I think

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we got to stop doing that. That's nuclear saber rattling.

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We got to it off of that because no one wins.

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I want to say this again, no one wins in

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a nuclear war question.

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Question though, if if he was to use even strategic,

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just strategically tactical nuclear weapons, as you say, the fallout

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regardless is going to spread and then what what about

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the NATO, uh, the NATO states or countries that border

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the Ukraine.

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Absolutely interesting question because tactical nuclear weapon, you know, goes off.

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I don't know. I don't know how much you know

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about tactical nuclear weapons. I don't know audiences. So so

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a tactical nuclear weapon would would be used in air.

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It would go off above ground, above the in the atmosphere,

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and what it does it would be more of like

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an e MP where it shuts down a lot of communications,

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electrical and so. Yes, you're absolutely right, a lot of

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that residual effect then in the air, and then the

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weather takes it right. This is a lot of the

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stuff we talked about early on in the war in

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tracking weather systems and which way the wind the wind blows.

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That's similar to what they referred to as a dirty bomb.

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Is it similar in how it can affect it?

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you know, nature takes its course and right, and so

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a lot of particles could move towards I know Germany

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was very worried about it. Listen, between Ukraine and Germany

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is another country called Poland. The country I've been in

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and I've worked on I've worked with I worked with

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their military on anti Russian aggression. That would be the

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first country that's hit. And so then at that moment,

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if the fallout reaches Poland, the problem with it is

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what does that mean for the Polish people. They're scared, upset,

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the Polish government is pissed off. Does NATO view that

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as a direct attack, because that's Article five of the

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NATO Agreement, a direct attack on any country. So is

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it sorry, a direct attack on any country as an

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attack on all NATO countries, NATO has to get involved.

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Does NATO view that as a direct attack on a

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NATO country or is it sort of this gray area?

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Russian intelligence still talks to US intelligence through back channels

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to tell them, Hey, we're going to do this, don't.

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I know you don't want us to, but don't worry

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about it. We're not escalating it even further, So don't

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do anything to us that would happen with a tactical

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nuclear strike. As soon as they go off, those back

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channels would hit the Pentagon and say hey, because of

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what you did, we're doing this tactical nuclear strike. It's

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not meant to be a nuclear strike. It's meant to

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affect only military sites, any residuals that happen, and that's

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a part of nature, and so don't look at it

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as a direct attack. Then the US and NATO have

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to decide, Hey, is it worth getting involved because economies

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are failing. We got China in the Indo Pacific making moves.

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Is it is the juice worth the squeeze to go

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after Russia and be part of this war because they

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did that?

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Well that that's always a concern, right, because we don't

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want world war. Like you said, nobody wins period, especially

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in nuclear.

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The people who want world War three have never been

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in war and they don't know what it means.

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It's dumb to even consider that. I've always been an

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advocate of we don't need to go there, and I've

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always been more critical of the decisions being made, not

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because not because we shouldn't see Ukraine to finished self,

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but you know, slowly pulling us in. It seems like

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we're slowly being pulled in that direction due to decisions

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made by you know, our leaders, and.

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Even you don't have to to go to war.

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Yeah, even even with that that explanation, you know, like

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I said, nature will take us course and we don't

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know to what extent or how bad that exposure would be.

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For example, because even if it if it hits, if

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it hits any of the NATO nations around Ukraine, sure

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we could say, oh act of God. No, I wasn't

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directly I weren't directly pun our weapons at you. Whatever

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it was, it was just nature took its course to

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win blue things and unfortunately I hit your hit your borders. Understandable.

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Now we're just arguing whether or not it was intentional.

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And like you said, it's juice support the squeeze. I

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get that. But you can also look at it as

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they knew better, They knew what kind of weapon this

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is and what it would do. They it wasn't really

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a controlled strike. Yeah, so there's always that concern as well.

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You know, we don't know how Poland will react. We

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can assume, but we don't know how how pole how

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they will react. I mean they've they've already been pretty

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active and making sure that you know, their military is

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ready to go on their borders, and they're already pointing

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missiles and weapons that direction anyway. I think romeain us too,

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I think so, yeah, I just read something on that.

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I think Romania as well also getting ready for that.

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Just because we're on that.

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Lithuania as well, Sweden and Finland have have just put

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out they've released pamphlets to their people on how to

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survive a nuclear attack, how to survive of global conflict.

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So that, I mean, yes, we don't want a global conflict.

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We don't want world War three, I don't think so.

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I would like to get into because I've seen a

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lot of reporting that the Biden administration did this to

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screw over the Trump administration.

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I was kind of going to go lead into that,

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but I wanted to get more more of your take

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on because I thought I thought this would.

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Be a little I could do more take on what

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this means.

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Okay, we can move forward from here. It's just it's

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just I wanted to use your expertise to kind of

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clarify this situation we're just talking about, because it's very well,

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it's a hot, hot one right now, yeah, and a

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lot of people aren't aren't understanding what it really really means.

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I mean, I have concerns, but again, you know, I

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wasn't in your position and what you did, so you

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know that's that's why.

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I mean, I can tell you the conversations. Uh so,

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I'm sure, well, you know, but just to let your

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audience know our podcast, as week explain, it's myself and

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my wife that we have these discussions on the podcast.

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But for the most for honestly, do we have those

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discussions day to day in our day to day lives.

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And I can tell you as soon as this stuff

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started coming out, we had those conversations, you know, hey,

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what should we be doing should The exact I think

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response from Tiana was, you know, do we need to

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prep for this or do you think it's just bluff

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and bluster? And my response, and the response I can

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tell to your audience is that at this moment, I

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think it's bluff and bluster. But as an intelligence analyst,

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you're that the intelligence cycle is continuous. So with new information,

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new assessments are made. I can make a new assessment

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in the near future if certain things happen. Those certain

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things that happen, those are going to be things like

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the you know movement. So Russia's nuclear arsenal right now

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is in Belarus. I don't know if you if you

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remember that last summer they moved everything to Belarus.

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I actually didn't remember that.

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Yeah, so that's where the nuclear arsenal arsenal for Russia is,

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and that part of that is to protect Russia if

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a nuclear attack does happen, not protecting Belarus. But their

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president has his own securities in place that he can

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move out in that case. So that's step one. Right,

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that moved me closer to huh nuclear U at least

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tactical nuclear weapons being used. So they're there. There is

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a continuous monitoring of all of these munitions. Now, Russia

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did get out of the the nuclear pact that they

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had with the United States, but we're still we're still

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monitoring them. Right. The moment those munitions start to move

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in place towards certain locations, that's when I would start questioning, Okay,

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where are we going with this? As of right now,

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those nuclear munitions are safe, they're secure in Belarus, and

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they're not being used.

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Yeah, understood that this currently is just like you said,

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it's posturing. It's yes, it's him just saying hold on, everybody,

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we're good. I'm going to take care of this. You know,

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basically talking to his fellow citizens of Russia saying, Hey,

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I got you, don't worry, but I'm sure he's smart

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enough to realize as I think you're saying, or at

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least I believe that he doesn't want that either. He

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doesn't want so he doesn't want that. He really doesn't. Uh.

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And what I wanted to what I wanted to to

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veer into though outside of this, because thank you for

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explaining that situation. But where we see North Korean troops,

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how was things going to change once we start seeing

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more of his allies there on the actual battlefield against Ukraine.

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What if I ran actually sounds troops? What if China's

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kind of staying out there's still kind of been silent

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to a degree, they're not saying a whole lot.

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Yeah, that's a whole different conversation, gotch you can have

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because because of the Putin explanation on being done by

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twenty twenty six and things that I know that I

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can't really talk about that shows a twenty twenty six

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twenty twenty seven timeline for the invasion of Taiwan. That

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stuff's unclassified. There's other things I can't go into. But yeah,

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So that's a very interesting thing about China. They're not

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providing any troops. They're kind of upset with North Korea

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for providing troops to Russia because I think China expected,

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Now this is all publicly China expected North Korea to

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be utilized in their conflict in Taiwan. But the flip

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side of that is, as North Korean troops are in

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battles with Ukrainian troops, they're getting true wartime experience. So okay, yeah,

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maybe maybe tens of thousands of North Koreans die in

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the Ukrainian Ruso War. That's a travesty. I don't think

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that should have been put on them. It's a war

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that they should not be involved in. But those the

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leaders of those troops are not going to be killed

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because they're you know, they're in support roles and they're

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in the they're not on the battlefield. Those leaders, those generals,

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they're going to gain wartime experience in a real land

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conflict that they would have never had otherwise. And so

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you can move those leaders back to North Korea. China

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then makes a move on Taiwan. Now those leaders in

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North Korea understand, Hey, this is how a Western force

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works conflict. Maybe we can help out in advance what

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you guys are doing.

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So I'm not saying this is your opinion, but maybe

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it is. It seems like it seems like because I okay,

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I personally know I personally I can't assume anyway, don't know,

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but assume that China's not done with their intention to

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take Taiwan. They've never given that up there, They've never

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given that up. And I see what you're saying.

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In an unclassified environment, I can tell you and your

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audience absolutely they have not given that up. They have

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just rebbed it up even more.

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Yeah, and so them assuming that North Korea would be

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supporting them in their efforts. But you know, who knows this.

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If this wasn't the plan all along, maybe maybe North

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Korea is literally just getting real world training experience and

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then they'll pull their troops out and then you know,

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shift shift their focus. Possibly, I don't know.

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Yeah, yeah, this is all so for me, everything that

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Russia has been doing in Ukraine has all been my

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understanding under the guise of China. Right, So let's start

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from the very beginning. Russia did not invade Ukraine until

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after the winter Olympics in China in twenty twenty two,

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Putin and g had a meeting a week before the

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final ceremonies. That was the moment. On my podcast this week, explained,

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I just got to give it another plug here if

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you're talking when I sit. Yeah, when I said, hey,

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they're having a conversation about invading Ukraine, and so it's

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all going to be dependent on how I saw it.

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00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.799
GI gave the go ahead as long as Putin withholds

470
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:55.319
invasion until after the Olympics. So China, Beijing's got this

471
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.400
great Olympics that they put on. They can do the

472
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.519
closing ceremonies and then a couple days later he can

473
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:05.599
invade Ukraine. That happened. Part of that conversation was also, hey,

474
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.200
you have my backing on this. I may not be

475
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.440
public about it, but I'm letting you know. I'm going

476
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.519
to give you intel. I'm going to give you maybe

477
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.519
some technologies that you can use under the auspice that

478
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:22.799
when we invade, when we invade Taiwan, you're going to

479
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.319
help us out in that invasion. I believe that Putin

480
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.160
did agree to that, and that's what led to him

481
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.720
actually deciding to invade Ukraine.

482
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.640
So regardless, we're still kind of outside of which you know,

483
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.799
you can't tell us. Everyone's still speculating what China's real

484
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.599
involvement is. And the reason I say is because there

485
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:48.559
were supposedly for so long one of Russia's or Russia's

486
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.200
closest aull I do to their you know, politics and whatnot.

487
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.640
And then it did seem like they were starting to

488
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:58.400
distance themselves from Russia and Putin, and the situation isn't

489
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.279
all about China at the moment. War is what Russia's doing,

490
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:08.400
But there's definitely an unspoken bond there that I don't

491
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.880
think they've completely severed yet, And I don't know if

492
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.640
China is going to sever that. Maybe they're letting Putin

493
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.799
run his course, do whatever he wants to do, and

494
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:21.160
just implode on himself so that they don't have any

495
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.359
other opposition in terms of stepping up to be a

496
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.240
world leader. Yet at that point, all they're looking at

497
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.240
is US versus them, And even even with that, I

498
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.720
don't I don't know if China would be looking at

499
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.559
an actual war, direct war anyway with US for that

500
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:37.680
for that fight.

501
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.359
I don't so, I mean, I don't know if you have,

502
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:42.359
but I'm sure you have.

503
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:43.200
You're a smart guy.

504
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.799
If you read the Art of War and China is

505
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.880
I mean they wrote the Art of War. Yeah, this

506
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:56.119
is generations sun Zoo. The main, the main thing in

507
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.680
the Art of War is the best way to win

508
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.200
a war is to never go into battle when that

509
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:08.880
war any way you can without killing your soldiers, airm

510
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.640
or whatever, do it without ever firing a single weapon,

511
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:17.599
because economically that helps you. Militarily, it helps you. Your

512
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:22.640
civilian base loves you. That is what China has to

513
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.440
decide right now. They now have so tiptoe around it

514
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.799
until early November of twenty twenty four. Who's going to

515
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.160
be elected as the US president because that's going to

516
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.160
help China identify what the policy is going to be

517
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.759
moving forward. I've said this from the very beginning for

518
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.920
the election. China doesn't care who wins the election. I

519
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.519
believe I said it on the podcast with you. China

520
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.000
doesn't care who's going to win the election. They only

521
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:55.799
care about mass chaos. They want a contested election that

522
00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.960
we're talking about for six months and nothing is getting

523
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.519
done and we don't even know who the president's going

524
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:08.359
to be Unfortunately for China that didn't happen because Trump

525
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:13.079
won by a substantial margin. Over three hundred electorates is

526
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:17.960
a substantial margin. So we're not fighting about who's going

527
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.559
to be president and who their policies are. Our fight

528
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.559
right now online you're perpetually online like I am. You

529
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.279
know what the fight is. It's that Trump just put

530
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.319
this person up, and you know, Trump's going to be

531
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.680
a despot. He's going to do all of this stuff,

532
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.559
and that's what we're kind of focused on. I think

533
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:40.319
that hurts China because we're focused on policies instead of

534
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.720
focusing on who's going to ascend to the presidency. So

535
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.400
it didn't happen the way they want it. And also,

536
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.039
Trump is a China hawk and he doesn't like China

537
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.319
at all. Doesn't does that mean he's going to go

538
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:57.640
to war? It goes back to kind of the conversation

539
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.079
we had about Putin, right, And I didn't want to

540
00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:02.880
say this because it'll make it look like I'm not

541
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.599
trying to say that Trump and Putin are the same

542
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:06.000
guy and they're going to do the same thing. That

543
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.559
absolutely not. I worked under the Trump administration in a

544
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:13.559
military in the Department of defense, military capacity in Poland,

545
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:18.960
overt anti Russian aggression, opposed to Russia, opposed to Putin.

546
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:22.119
So I don't believe he's just some Putin hack that's

547
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.240
going to come in and help Russia do whatever they want.

548
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:28.680
But where is he similar with Putin? He knows how

549
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.960
to frame certain things for his base. And what I'm

550
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.880
saying there is this Trump is saying, I'm not going

551
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.279
to start any wars, right, he said, I'm a president

552
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.559
that's going to stop wars and not start them. So

553
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.319
what happens if China invades Taiwan? Is the US military

554
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.759
going to come to support Taiwan? I feel at this

555
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.440
moment absolutely in a Trump administration, the US Navy is

556
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.160
going to come to support Taiwan and push back China.

557
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:02.160
Why is that? Because China taking over Taiwan is not

558
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.359
just a military thing, it's an economic situation. The moment

559
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.960
they're successful within Taiwan, there is a complete blockade of

560
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:15.119
the South China Sea. This is the the highest trafficked

561
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:21.720
maritime economic plat economic system in the world. Every almost

562
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:26.039
every supply chain moves through the South China Sea. At

563
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.200
that moment when there's a blockade, the United States is

564
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.279
no longer the top economy in the world. They are

565
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.720
then the fourth economy in the world, the fourth going

566
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.200
from the top to the fourth, that is a complete

567
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:43.960
defeat for the Trump administration, who has an America first policy.

568
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.680
America should be first.

569
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.880
Yeah, wells us falling from first to fourth was something

570
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.720
that started long ago, present before President Trump. You know,

571
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.480
decisions I.

572
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.039
Don't I don't agree with that, but it would be

573
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:03.000
a direct result of not trying to help.

574
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:05.160
That wasn't that wasn't mean to Fanne Troup, whether it

575
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.640
was just like years ago, those decisions were made to

576
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.880
offshore this, you know, manufacture this here cheaper, cheaper, cheaper,

577
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:12.519
and then we gave it away so much that now

578
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:18.599
it's no longer in our control, right, we just lost

579
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.119
our footing that that And also, you know recently because

580
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.200
you were just talking about how how valuable that that

581
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.799
area is with the South China see and all roads

582
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.839
of you know lead lead through or through there or

583
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:36.240
whatnot in terms of commerce. And then China just you know,

584
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:41.359
announced and christened their new ports uh and roots. I

585
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.839
think it was in Peru. I want to say Peru.

586
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:48.079
I might be wrong, but that gives them direct access

587
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.799
going going all the way through up into Brazil and

588
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.279
everything from what I read, and so now that just

589
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.079
solidifies basically what they're labeling the Silk Road to the

590
00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:00.319
sea or the ocean, so that they're already making oos

591
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.440
while we're being distracted. And yeah, we're just giving it

592
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.480
away unfortunately, but China, I have a feeling we're gonna

593
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.079
be talking about that later down the road. Okay, I'm very.

594
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.760
Sorry to bring sorry to bring that, but it's all no,

595
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.400
it's entire geopolitical interplay related.

596
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.800
And I want I asked you because because if you

597
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.079
look at the relationships and who's the allies, it's like

598
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.199
we have to ask that question. Okay, well Putin's doing this,

599
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.119
but what what is China doing because they're they're an ally. Well,

600
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.320
if allies are supposed to back each other and protect

601
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.119
each other, we have to ask that question. We cannot

602
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.320
say that they're just gonna sit on the sidelines. There's

603
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.360
no there's no way. So it's a very important question

604
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.559
ask and really good that you explained that situation because

605
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:46.400
we gotta we got to keep tabs on that for sure. Well,

606
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.639
if we if we we go back, let's go back

607
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.599
into Russia. That though the situation that you Okay, you

608
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:53.840
were going to say it earlier, but I kind of

609
00:34:53.840 --> 00:35:00.920
halt you about then Biden's timing, you know, so oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

610
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.559
because Trump president elect hasn't even taken office yet, and

611
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.119
then all of a sudden, Biden makes it. Well, allegedly

612
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.719
Biden makes this decision. And what were you going to

613
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:11.559
say on that you had something that you want to do.

614
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.559
Yeah, I do, thank you, thank you for letting me

615
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.440
do that, because a lot of the places I don't

616
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.119
get to to, you know, get off my chest what

617
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.000
I want to. So I really think there's something I

618
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.079
wanted to say on NTD when I did my new spot,

619
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.719
but I didn't get a chance to, which is that this.

620
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.320
I do think it was Biden. I know he doesn't

621
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.320
make a lot of decisions, but stick with me on

622
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.400
this one. I think it was Biden that decided to

623
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.639
do this. And the reason why is because he's got

624
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:48.440
a legacy issue here. All with all the bluster about Biden,

625
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.320
you know, everybody this microwave nation, and so everybody on

626
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.400
the left is like, Biden's the best president that ever happened.

627
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.840
Look at the economy, Look at all of this. He

628
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:02.880
understands realistically he's going to go down as the president

629
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:09.119
that left Afghanistan in shambles. He left Ukraine to lose

630
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.159
in the war with Russia. He let China become more

631
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.559
active in the South China Sea and the Indo Pacific.

632
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.800
That's going to be his legacy and he needs to

633
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.440
change it for the better. And so I think the

634
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.320
allowing So it's my opinion that the allowing of these

635
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.599
attack ons missiles to be used deeper in Russian territory

636
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:35.960
is a legacy response. He wants to show that historically. Look,

637
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.079
we did have the Ukrainians back. We did allow them

638
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.360
to use these munitions. Yeah it's too late, sorry, but

639
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.440
we did do it, and we had to wrestle with

640
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.679
that because we didn't want a nuclear war to happen.

641
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.079
I don't think it was a direct response to Donald

642
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.920
Trump being elected in office to make his administration work

643
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.960
harder to stop the war. I think it was a

644
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.880
response to Kamala Harris losing and so the Biden administration

645
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.440
not being able to continue their policy and try to

646
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.039
see this war out. So what I'm saying here is

647
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.480
I do believe that if Kamala Harris did win the election,

648
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:23.800
that we would have seen this happen post inauguration in January,

649
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.079
Kamala Harris would announce it. She would announce all these

650
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:33.639
full force of the US military support in Ukraine to

651
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:37.760
help push back to push back Russia. So time was

652
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.800
of the essence here, and so he made that decision.

653
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:44.480
I think that decision started. So those conversations started to

654
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:50.960
happen two weeks ago as soon as Donald Trump was

655
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.320
seen to be the victor in this election. And it

656
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.639
takes everything with the government. It takes time to formulate

657
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:01.199
that opinion, get it to your cabinet, have them approve it,

658
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.039
and then send that over. So I think that was

659
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.159
the process. I don't think it had anything to do

660
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.639
with we want to make the Trump administration a failure

661
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.480
in the future, so to do that, let's start a war,

662
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:14.800
Let's start World War three. I don't think it had

663
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:16.320
anything to do with World War three. I think it

664
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.719
just was putin's a bully. What you have to do

665
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.320
to a bully is punch them in the face and

666
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.559
see what happens, See what their reaction is. Because nine

667
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:26.960
times out of ten a bully's reaction is not going

668
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.199
to be what they say. They say they're going to

669
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.119
kill you and hurt your family and do all of

670
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.679
this stuff. Typically you punch them in the face and

671
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.840
they have no reaction to it, and they go with

672
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.000
their tailtuch between their legs and they run on right.

673
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.119
They don't know what to do. I like that assessment.

674
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:44.320
I like it too. I don't like the other side.

675
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:48.079
Yeah, it does raise questions though, like what I'm not saying.

676
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.280
I'm not saying it may not be the right response,

677
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.400
but why now, Like that's that's been my whole thing.

678
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.599
That's been my whole problem, mostly with the Biden administration.

679
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:03.159
We get into politics, but as far as decisions like this,

680
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.880
why did they wait so long? I mean, well, that's

681
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:07.360
the reason.

682
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.400
Question they thought they were having they were going to

683
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.159
have another administration. I think internally the Democratic Party said,

684
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:20.079
and listen, they're they're okay, they're very smart people because

685
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.599
they're they're gotten empower and they're their empower. But they're

686
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.360
idiots because they have they just succumbed to their worldview

687
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.000
and in their echo chambers and in their worldview, Trump

688
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.599
had no chance to win this election. Now you get

689
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:37.280
outside your echo Chamber, and you start looking at Pennsylvania

690
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.559
and you drive through the rural counties of Pennsylvania and

691
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:43.760
you see the Trump signs and you see the increase

692
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:49.480
in support for Donald Trump. We listen, I saw it.

693
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:51.760
I'm sure you saw it. We didn't. I don't think

694
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:56.199
we had the conversations about it, but no, we My

695
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:00.719
my exact opinion on this was whoever wins Pennsylvania the election.

696
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:04.719
It's that was Buddy's assessment, really, yep.

697
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:12.119
And I don't think if Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania is

698
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:18.639
she also wins Michigan in Wisconsin, right, and that puts

699
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:21.880
her over the edge. But what I saw are people,

700
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.719
and what I heard were people from Pennsylvania who said,

701
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.360
I'm fed up with what's going on in politics. I

702
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.239
don't want a politician anymore. I want a businessman. That's

703
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.880
what they see Donald J. Trump as I see Trump

704
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.760
as a political businessman, being that he says the things

705
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.880
that his people want to hear, and he can kind

706
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:46.119
of frame things in a way to make people vote

707
00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:49.480
for him and listen to him. But and that's what

708
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:51.599
the people of Pennsylvania said, and they came out in

709
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:56.599
droves in support of him. That's what happened. I don't

710
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:58.960
think the Democratic Party, I don't think the Biden administration

711
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.639
thought that was going to happen. They trusted their internal

712
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.800
polling that had Kamala Harris up by two percent three

713
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.639
percent in Michigan, and they said, hey, we're going to

714
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.760
do this, and once you're in office, you now have

715
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.199
this and you can go support Ukraine in every way

716
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.440
that you want. And they were going to allow after

717
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.960
January twentieth, on the inauguration, they were going to allow

718
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.559
the munitions to be used. Because if they did it,

719
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:32.559
let's say they do it in September before the election,

720
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:39.440
that then you start losing percentage points from the Kamala

721
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:42.480
Harris Because Kamala Harris campaign was just an offshoot of

722
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:46.400
the Biden campaign. Everyone knew her administration was going to

723
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.159
be the Biden administration. And so you have that happen

724
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.519
and then you have putin saying listen, I'm going to

725
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.519
use nuclear weapons. There is a majority of people, not

726
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.920
a majority. There is a percentage of people who still

727
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.639
voted for Kamala harris Is in this election that would

728
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.400
not have voted for her if they did that. If

729
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.559
the Biden administration allowed the attackers to be used.

730
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.280
So okay. So from a from a politically a strategic

731
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:17.920
point of view, that all makes sense. And the issue

732
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:19.800
I have is not an argument, it's more of a

733
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:25.159
why because it's it's showing, okay, if they were concerned that,

734
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:27.840
if they did this, but we're just gonna keep saying

735
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.480
the Biden administration, because that's right. If they're that concern

736
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.280
about nuclear war. It's almost as after saying, well now

737
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.320
that I'm out, I don't care anymore if it happens,

738
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.679
fucking right, But I don't think you can see it's.

739
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:46.320
I don't think it's about actual nuclear No, no, I'm

740
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.039
just trying to think it's about yeah, the rumors of

741
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.039
nuclear war, and those rumors would play out, and the

742
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.400
Republican Party and the Trump the Trump campaign would be

743
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.800
blasting ads about look what the Biden.

744
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.320
Ministry Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, understood.

745
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.320
We can also get onto why France wouldn't let the Ukrainians.

746
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:11.039
So France's long range missiles actually reach further. They can

747
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:16.639
reach Moscow. The attackers cannot reach Moscow where they're currently positioned,

748
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.920
but French munitions can. The UK can go further. Their

749
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.920
munitions can go further than the attacking, So why why

750
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:24.880
didn't France do it? Why did they wait for the

751
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.079
United States to do this? I think that's a conversation

752
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:31.480
that needs to be had within NATO. Who is really

753
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.320
supporting NATO? Well, what's the United States understood?

754
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.039
So going back to what I was going to say,

755
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.320
is the optics here, Basically, I guess we should have

756
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.199
framed it. It looks as if you know, they cared

757
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.880
but now don't. And if we were in full support

758
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.400
of Ukraine winning, it's almost like we sh just stepped

759
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.000
in and said, hey, look, here's your munitions. Let's just

760
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.960
get this done instead of letting it go on for

761
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.760
so long. That's that's what I'm trying to say, you know.

762
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.280
I mean, look, if everybody.

763
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.320
Politics gets in the way of what I'm trying to

764
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:04.960
get is, it gets in the way of things that

765
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.480
are as important as is what I'm saying. So I've

766
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:09.440
taken along road around to get my point.

767
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:15.880
I also say, hey, if you're really that worried, why

768
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.159
don't you like I said this on NTD, I said,

769
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:25.079
is the US military the greatest, most powerful, most agile

770
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.480
force across the globe? Are we or are we affeckless

771
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:34.559
military that won't do anything, And right now we're looking feckless.

772
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:40.199
A good point, because yeah, who cares what Russia is

773
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.280
going to do. We are the greatest fighting force in

774
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:48.360
the world. Put those and I'm not, no, I'm not,

775
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:50.719
This is not what I'm I'm hoping for. Listen, I

776
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:56.360
was in war. I understand war. But we have an

777
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:02.000
entire military base, in military industrial complex, a military base

778
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.920
that has gone through twenty years of war. We understand

779
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:10.159
how war affects US and war works. And you're not

780
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:13.840
going to put that fighting force against the Russians who

781
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:18.280
couldn't push back Ukrainians in Kiev, just because you're scared

782
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.280
of nuclear weapons being useless at the moment, it looks

783
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.239
like the US military could get in defeat the Russian

784
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.360
military and take those nuclear weapons out of the equation,

785
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.320
but we never tried to do that. And now so

786
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.880
that's just the US fighting force. Bring NATO into the conversation,

787
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.000
and now you start to see why Putin is scared

788
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.960
of NATO, and he is scared of NATO. But I

789
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.599
don't think Putin never wants to go to war with NATO.

790
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.119
He would absolutely if it was just Russia versus NATO,

791
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:54.000
they'd be absolutely destroyed. If it's NATO all the allies

792
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.159
in NATO versus Russia and all of their allies, who

793
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:58.360
are the Russian allies?

794
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.800
You're destroyed and has just been picking them up part lately,

795
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.360
you know, with right with their their attacks on their

796
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.280
strategic locations and their basis.

797
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.079
So what are we doing here? Like, what conversation? I'm

798
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.000
not you and not you and me. I'm talking about

799
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.239
on a political level. He what conversations are we actually happening? Uh?

800
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:24.880
I get it. Our our fighting force is tired and weary,

801
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.039
and we don't want to go to a war again.

802
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.199
But leave it to the Americans that if a war

803
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.119
happens and we're called, we're going to go full steam

804
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.320
in battle and we're going to destroy the opposition. I

805
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.039
just had this conversation at work today about when you

806
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.719
ask somebody or when you're talking to somebody, they always say, well,

807
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.440
when what was the last war that the United States won? Right?

808
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:55.519
Because we've got Vietnam, the debacle's there, We've got the

809
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.599
Iraq War, the complete debacle of Afghanistan. Let's we won

810
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.679
all of those wars? Wars I'm talking war, the actual fight,

811
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:11.920
the fight, so troops, the military wins the battles. We

812
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:16.559
absolutely won every single battle. Politicians then come in and

813
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.400
they either win or lose the war with cease fire

814
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:24.320
deals and keys agreements and all it gets mucked up.

815
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.639
And I made this point that when did the Iraq

816
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.760
War end? Because you say we didn't win the Iraq War.

817
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:32.920
You could say whatever you want about whether we should

818
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.960
have gone in or not. That's a totally different conversation.

819
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.079
We could probably talk on it for seven hours and

820
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.199
I could give you Mindlitario opinion.

821
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:41.199
A long time ago.

822
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.000
And we were just two thousand and four. George W.

823
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.159
Bush said, mission accomplished. He went on the aircraft carrier.

824
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:48.639
Did that the war was won?

825
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:49.119
Yes?

826
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.800
At that point, Saddam Hussein had been captured. The entire

827
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.400
Iraqi military was gone, Their government was gone. If you

828
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.599
leave at that point and tell the Iraqis you got

829
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.599
to build it yourself, guys, whatever you do, that's fine.

830
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:05.679
Are we going to be back in Iraq in five

831
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:10.039
to ten years? Probably, But we've won that war. Afghanistan

832
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:14.280
was the forgotten war for a decade after we got

833
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:17.480
there because we ran rough shot through the Taliban. They

834
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.920
had nothing except for little pop shots that they were

835
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:26.559
sending until this Afghanistan withdrawal, which was so I don't

836
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.159
think it should have ever happened, and it was so

837
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.599
long and drawn out, and we gave the Taliban all

838
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.559
the information that it was happening, so of course they

839
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.400
were going to muck it up. The golf the first

840
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:44.480
Golf War, complete destruction of the iraqis. The Vietnam War

841
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:53.440
became a peacekeeping ordeal long before or directly after the

842
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.639
US won all those battles. The problem was the insurgency.

843
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.000
So you're not in a war, you're in a conflict

844
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.239
with an insurgency. And that's where we get into issues

845
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.719
when the US military should not be a peace keeping force.

846
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.159
It should not. We're not trained to do that, and

847
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:14.760
so when things like a terrorist insurgency pops up in Iraq,

848
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:16.480
we don't know how to deal with it except to

849
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.280
kill people, and then ultimately you kill civilians and then

850
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.400
it becomes what we had for two decades in the

851
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:29.199
global War on terrorism. So you Russian pro Russian accounts

852
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.480
can push out, how when was the last time the

853
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.760
US won a war? Well, it was every time. Name

854
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.679
a time that we lost a war, not a conflict,

855
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:45.760
not a political diplomatic peace deal. We just didn't because

856
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.400
we have the greatest fighting force, people that I work

857
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:52.880
with day in and day out, who if you push them,

858
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.039
they're not going to retreat. They're going to come at

859
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:59.400
you with the full force. So we just got to

860
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:01.599
stop being skilled shared of what Russia is going to

861
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:02.880
do forget about it.

862
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.960
Yeah, I agree with you there. I think what people

863
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.960
are scared of is the the word that keeps getting

864
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:13.880
tossed around, which is nuclear. Yeah, you know, because nobody

865
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.760
wants that, and it's understandable that people would be scared

866
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:18.119
of that. But you're right. I mean, in the end,

867
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:21.519
I've always thought, personally, I'm gonna be honest, I agree

868
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.920
with you completely. If we just if we just send

869
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:29.440
strategic strategic forces in there to really just surgically go

870
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.880
in and take care of things, they would do it. Russia.

871
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:33.840
Russia wouldn't be able to stop it, just be honest,

872
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:38.000
they wouldn't. And so I agree with you on that. Listen,

873
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.239
decisions were made I think mostly for optics and politics.

874
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.800
Really absolutely, I mean, if we really really cared, if

875
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.719
we really really really cared, I'm not saying you don't

876
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:51.039
care or you know, just saying the situation we're in

877
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.679
right now. If America really cared, our leaders cared, this

878
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:57.400
would have already been handled. Putin would have been sitting

879
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.960
back at his desk pondering his decisions and you know,

880
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.599
figuring out what he's gonna do to move forward. But hey,

881
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.760
here we are now, and so, yes, people are scared,

882
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:10.119
and they keep tossing around the nuclear war thing. In

883
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.960
your opinion, you don't think that's gonna happen. I I

884
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.800
I'm just gonna have the greatest asset.

885
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.760
If he uses it, He's lost all of his bargaining chips.

886
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:21.760
Yeah, that's all he has to be honest, that is

887
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.679
exactly all he has to keep everybody you know at Bay.

888
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.840
Do you so, let's let's go into the reasoning on

889
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:29.920
why this even happened. Do you think do you think

890
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:33.719
that maybe Putin felt he was backed into a corner

891
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.960
and had to react because of feeling it being encroached

892
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.280
by NATO or encroached on by NATO, And.

893
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.239
Yeah, it's an interesting it's an it's an interesting question.

894
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.440
And I'm in this by strategically, you know, aligning or

895
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.159
bringing you know, nations into the fold, NATO around the

896
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:52.159
borders like slowly just kind of Yeah.

897
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:56.760
Something he's talked about for since he's ever been in

898
00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:02.199
office is that he is protecting So he's protecting his

899
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.480
people from that encroachment from NATO, and he can message

900
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:13.400
that and I absolutely agree that he messages that quite well. Now,

901
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:19.480
my issue with all of that is NATO has never

902
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.199
and correct me if I am wrong, and I don't never.

903
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.199
I don't like to use never because then something happens.

904
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:33.760
But NATO has never instigated a conflict in its entire organization. Right.

905
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:36.519
The only time NATO Article five was used was after

906
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.360
the nine to eleven attacks. That was because, you know,

907
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.840
so I'm bin Lauden decided that America is the Great

908
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:45.599
Satan and he was going to attack it and destroy

909
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:48.360
the Twin Towers in New York and the Pentagon and

910
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.360
try to make a play for the White House. That's

911
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.639
when NATO got involved. When the Iraq War happened, NATO

912
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.800
didn't get involved. They didn't they they said, hey, we're

913
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.280
out of this, this is your war, y goo. That's

914
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.760
what got France. Remember we call them freedom Fries, not

915
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:08.079
French fries. Because France say, we have no agreement that

916
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.239
says we have to help you guys, and we don't

917
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.119
want to get involved in a war. So NATO's never

918
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:19.000
in its inception, it has never started a conflict. It

919
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:23.320
has never instigated a conflict. Yep, it's put itself. It's

920
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:26.400
put itself around the borders of Russia. But that is

921
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.119
because the countries bordering Russia, a lot of especially a

922
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.360
lot of the Soviet former Soviet Union countries are scared.

923
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:39.000
I've talked to the Polish people. They are absolutely terrified

924
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.119
that Russia would come in and start another USSR, another

925
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:50.039
Soviet Union or United Soviet Republic. And that's because a

926
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.880
lot of those people in Poland remember the eighties. They

927
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:58.079
remember when the USSR was active and how terrible their

928
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.719
lives were. I'm sorry, Bernie Sanders, standing in a breadline

929
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.000
is not a good thing. I know this because not

930
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.800
that I've sat in a breadline, or Bernie Sanders has

931
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.239
sat in a breadline. But I've talked to the people

932
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.920
who have stood there and have had to deal with that.

933
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:14.639
I don't, and they're absolutely terrified.

934
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:16.679
I think Bernie's ever worked in his life. He's been

935
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:17.599
a policy he hasn't.

936
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:22.039
He got kicked out of a of a commune in Vermont.

937
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.199
I mean, because he did not work for.

938
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:28.320
A guy who's who's against corporate greed and everything. He's

939
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:31.679
he became a multi millionaire as just being a politician,

940
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:33.679
but he put everything in his wife's name, so he's

941
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:34.880
you know, he has immunity, right.

942
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:36.719
Well, he also wrote a book, so if you want

943
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:38.920
to get if you want to make money, write a book.

944
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:44.039
That's what he is. But but yeah, they're absolutely terrified

945
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.280
that the Russia would do that.

946
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.000
Well, I brought this up because I've heard that theory

947
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.199
and it kind of makes sense on the surface. But

948
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.400
at the same time, you know, after after the USSR

949
00:54:55.639 --> 00:55:00.440
was disbanded, for the most part, it was done. Everything

950
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.440
we're set and it's been set for a while. So

951
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:04.519
it's it's as if Putin's just really using that as

952
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.119
an excuse more than anything, you know, to do what

953
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.880
he's doing. He wants his territories back, he wants to

954
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.719
recreate the good old days, the grand old days of Russia.

955
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:18.079
Absolutely that his land, right, So that's what he's that's

956
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:19.880
what he's really doing. He's he's an excuse, But people

957
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.199
are unfortunately buying into just like all poor Putin, we're

958
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.320
provoking him. We're the ones that it's our fault, it's

959
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.679
NATO's fault. And you're right. NATO only got involved, uh

960
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:30.360
together on nine to eleven. It hasn't been anytime since.

961
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.280
The only time I've ever heard of them ever being

962
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.119
involved was basically for monitoring and control of a situation,

963
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:38.679
maybe supportin nation who might need something, but not really

964
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.119
directly involving troops per see.

965
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:46.000
I believe they got involved in Bosnia as a peacekeeping force.

966
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:47.679
I know the US did that was there in the

967
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:52.840
Clinton administration outside of that, But was war absolutely right, No,

968
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.559
it was not a wartime effort. It was a conflict.

969
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:01.519
Yeah, or like conflict management, if that right? Exactly, they don't.

970
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:03.960
And the thinking there is we don't want it to

971
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.400
spill over in our borders, so let's try to keep

972
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:09.840
this contained and do what we can. And that's the

973
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.039
same exact thing that's going on in Ukraine right now.

974
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:14.760
We want to keep this contained. So it's why NATO

975
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:19.519
isn't getting involved militarily, but they're supporting Ukraine because they're saying,

976
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.360
we don't want this to bleed over into a conflict

977
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.760
outside of Ukraine's borders, and the thought is at some

978
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.639
point it would reach Poland. But they're they're looking at

979
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:33.760
Moldova in Georgia and non NATO countries that were former

980
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.920
Soviet Union countries that are being manipulated by Russia right now,

981
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.119
and those I've said it for two years now, Moldova

982
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.719
is the next country. If Ukraine for Russia is successful,

983
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.920
then they can take over Ukraine. Moldova's the next country

984
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.079
because it's smaller, Their military is not going to be

985
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.440
able to handle a Russian movement, and they've got Transnistria,

986
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:59.800
which is a Russian or enclave right there that they

987
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:03.800
can and then stage troops and invade Moldova immediately. That's

988
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:08.039
the next country to look for. But Poland's there. They're

989
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.239
the first NATO country to be attacked. The Poland's strong,

990
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:14.719
and yeah, Poland's got a strong Trump line here. Their

991
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.880
military is beautiful, It's beautiful, lovely military, and.

992
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.039
And that's I think that's the real key to what's

993
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:24.199
going on here with watching Ukraine, how they handle things

994
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:26.440
if they can win, because if they fall, there's nothing

995
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.079
really going to stop Russia from being emboldened to just

996
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:32.039
keep moving on to like you said, these other nations,

997
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.199
to tap them, bring them into the fold. So you're saying,

998
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.360
let's stop worrying about nuclear war. It's not gonna happen,

999
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.559
because realistically, if America really wanted to, it would just

1000
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:45.679
end it, right, we would just go in there and say, look, no,

1001
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:46.360
not happening.

1002
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.119
I mean, I think, like I said, nuclear weapons are

1003
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.719
a last hitch effort for anybody. But by that point,

1004
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.880
you're at the point where it's like everyone around him

1005
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:02.679
can stop it for their own benefit, right, Like like

1006
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.519
Belarus they have the nuclear weapons, they can see Putin

1007
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:11.360
Pact backed in the corner on life support and go, yeah,

1008
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.159
I know you said that, but there's gonna be a

1009
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:15.559
new administration coming into Russia. We're going to see how

1010
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.280
that plays out before we actually destroy the entire world.

1011
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:27.559
Every nuclear war game ends in complete world collapse, society collapses.

1012
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:34.320
That's good for nobody. But the fear of nuclear war

1013
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.800
actually helps more than actual nuclear war. Who what do

1014
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.159
I say? It helps? That helps putin because if you

1015
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:47.000
can keep saber rattling nuclear saber rattling, fear mongering, this

1016
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:48.880
is gonna be We're gonna go to nuclear war. We're

1017
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:52.199
gonna go to nuclear war. You know, it's just like

1018
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.920
it's like this. Have you ever seen the it's not

1019
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:02.079
a theory. There was a study done that even houses

1020
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:06.920
with the sign that says we have a security system

1021
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:13.239
have a lower rate of criminal activity than like, so

1022
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.159
they don't have a security system, but they just have

1023
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:18.760
that sign. ADT simply say, I'm not going to advertise

1024
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:24.159
for anybody, but just that sign. They don't have a

1025
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.280
security system in place, but they have a sign that

1026
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:30.800
says this house was protected by ADT or whatever. They

1027
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:33.880
have a lower rate of break ins than a house

1028
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.559
that otherwise would not have that sign there. That's this

1029
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.039
nuclear posturing, Hey, we have nuclear weapons, don't attack us.

1030
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.280
It was the whole reason that Saddam Hussein wouldn't admit

1031
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:50.760
to not having weapons of mass destruction. As part of

1032
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.519
the conversation that I get with about going into erect

1033
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:58.239
did Saddam Hussein have weapons of mass destruction? Absolutely? Because

1034
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.400
he had chemical biological weapons. I consider those weapons of

1035
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:04.440
mass destruction. He used it on his people that showed

1036
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.199
he had it. The world sees weapons of mass destruction

1037
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:12.639
as nuclear weapons, and so if Saddam Hussein says, well, no,

1038
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:15.400
we don't have nuclear weapons. They had just gotten done

1039
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.239
with a war in Iran. With Iran, Iran did not

1040
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:22.280
like Iraq at that time. They didn't like the Saddam

1041
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:26.599
Hussein administration, and they were looking for a reason to

1042
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:31.920
attack Iraq. Saddam Hussein understood that, and he said, hey,

1043
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.960
I can't confirm or deny if we have weapons of

1044
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.920
mass destruction for that simple fact, because if I admit

1045
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.360
it that we don't have nuclear weapons, Iran's coming after me.

1046
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:47.000
So the threat that I just might. So this is

1047
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.320
just an Iraq that says a Saddam Hussein that goes,

1048
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.599
hey I might have nuclear weapons. Don't come after me

1049
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:57.280
because I might have them. Now you have Russia. Putin

1050
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:01.679
has nuclear weapons, and he says, hey, I might use them.

1051
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:04.360
That's a deterrent. That's what the US is trying to

1052
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.320
do with China is be a deterrent to that, to

1053
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:12.079
that conflict. Putin's using it very effectively. He's getting exactly

1054
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:13.280
what he wants by using that.

1055
01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:17.000
Well, and I can undert I understand that, I understand,

1056
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.920
I understand this whole game they're playing with. I got it.

1057
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:21.679
You got it. You know if you shoot me, I'll

1058
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.719
shoot I get it, you know. And that's the one

1059
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:26.320
thing that's kept the world kind of at at bay

1060
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.840
from you know, killing each other off entirely. There's all

1061
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.920
You're always going to have to have fear and play

1062
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:33.280
to keep things at bay.

1063
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:33.800
Period.

1064
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.440
And I get what you're saying, Uh, I want to

1065
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:40.760
I want to move on to what's been rumored about

1066
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:45.239
Russia possibly sharing nuclear weapons of technology with North Korea.

1067
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:46.480
Do you think that's going on or is that just

1068
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:46.960
a rumor?

1069
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:52.039
So so at this time, we don't know right that

1070
01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:57.000
that goes into. And so from an intelligence community perspective,

1071
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:03.079
what why are North Korean troops in Russia right now

1072
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:08.199
where there's a you scratch my back, I scratch your back, right?

1073
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:12.679
So Kim Jong un says, we're going to provide soldiers

1074
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.360
in the cursed region to fight back against Ukraine so

1075
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:18.719
that you don't have to use your own troops. You're

1076
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:21.320
going to need to give me something. And there's theories

1077
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:26.079
behind what sort of military capabilities they've had. Nuclear weapons

1078
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:30.280
is a big one. That's a scary one because North

1079
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:35.000
Korea being a full on nuclear power is very dangerous

1080
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:36.880
because they have Kim Jong un Kim Jong un is

1081
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:40.280
a wild card in the geopolitical space. He is if

1082
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.199
anybody is going to use it, it's that guy. Take

1083
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.840
it from Take it from the intelligence community who's been

1084
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:53.559
tracking him and his family. Their entire trajectory. Worse, his

1085
01:02:53.559 --> 01:03:00.559
sister's worse. This is my thing on when hey, let's

1086
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:04.199
kill this despot, let's kill this this guy. So what's

1087
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:08.079
the alternative? Right, Usually the alternative is worse than the

1088
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.639
actual guy that's in power. That is scary. His sister

1089
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:19.400
is far worse than he is. And so I would

1090
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:23.159
say scarier for me than the nuclear technology, which I

1091
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.599
Russia may be helping out, but not enough to give

1092
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:32.519
them a nuclear weapon that could be utilized long range,

1093
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:36.159
because Russia also understands if they do something or putin

1094
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:39.119
even if he does something wrong to North Korea, they

1095
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:43.480
could just go, oh, thanks for that nuclear weapon, now

1096
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.000
we're turning it on you. That's the kind of fear

1097
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:47.079
that that's in place.

1098
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:50.360
I think smart enough to see that he's a volatile

1099
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.559
he's an asset, but you know, an allied with volatile best.

1100
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:55.280
So what's scarier than that?

1101
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:56.360
To me?

1102
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:02.639
It's and this is probably what is being what they're

1103
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:06.280
what Russia is transferring into North Korea, which is the

1104
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:12.320
satellite technology. So Russia's space program is far advanced, far

1105
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.280
more advanced than North Korea. They're on par with the

1106
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.320
United States and China as far as satellite technology. And

1107
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.000
North Korea has had this issue of getting spy satellites

1108
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.440
into the atmosphere. They cannot get their satellites up there,

1109
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:28.800
which would help them kind of not kind of, but

1110
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:34.239
it would help them view South Korea and Japan. So

1111
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:37.840
it would gain intelligence from South Korea and Japan if

1112
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:39.239
they could just get it into the.

1113
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:43.599
Atmosphere sense actually, so that's where.

1114
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:47.400
We're we're going to be seeing. And then in that case,

1115
01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:52.800
spy satellites are used North Korea, who has been far

1116
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:56.719
more aggressive on the Korean Peninsula than they had been

1117
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.559
in the past. If they decide that every nobody else

1118
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:04.239
is looking away, China just invaded this is a future scenario.

1119
01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:07.920
China just invaded Taiwan. We're all talking about that. Russia, Ukraine,

1120
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:10.800
blah blah blah. Can we do can we make a

1121
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:14.079
push for South Korea? They could have that thought based

1122
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.480
off intelligence that they gained from their spy satellites that

1123
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:20.079
Russia helped them with At that point North Korean Kim

1124
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:22.719
Jong un or his sister or his daughter, if that's

1125
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.400
that far in the future, could then go to Russia

1126
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:29.320
and say, look, we helped you. Now we have this issue,

1127
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.119
we need some support from your troops, we need some

1128
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:36.159
munitions from you, and you're gonna have to help us

1129
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:40.199
because we helped you. That's a scary I thought.

1130
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.679
I feel as far as North Korea South Korea goes,

1131
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:47.599
I always I always think, and I'm proud I could

1132
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:49.960
be wrong. So I'm not in the intelligence community. Just

1133
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:53.599
is just me gleaming what I can gather and put

1134
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:56.440
together in my own head. But it seems like Kim

1135
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.760
John un has always been waiting for the opportunity for

1136
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:02.239
everyone to be so distracted and involved that it would

1137
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:05.039
make it easier for him to invade South Korea if

1138
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:05.800
you ever had the chance.

1139
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:10.119
Yes, he's absolutely that's that's what he is waiting for.

1140
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:14.480
He is hoping everyone is distracted like we have. We've

1141
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:18.880
got Russia, Ukraine, Yeah, we've got Israel. Now he's got

1142
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:24.559
to be looking at that and going Okay. Hamas, which

1143
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:28.800
I would say miscalculated in their invasion of Israel in

1144
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:33.559
October of twenty twenty three, because as soon as that happened,

1145
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.119
the world's eyes open back up to the Middle East.

1146
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:41.199
And so there was this timeframe, and I have to

1147
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:42.639
think about it a little bit more. It could have

1148
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:44.760
been six months to maybe a year where we just

1149
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:50.000
stopped talking about Ukraine. We didn't care about Ukraine because

1150
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:53.519
now we're on opposite sides of the Middle East conflict.

1151
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.880
Israel has a right to defend itself. Israel is doing

1152
01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:02.280
too much in Gaza, and you bring Hesbalah in and

1153
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:05.079
so North Korea looks at that and goes, Okay, whatever

1154
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:11.320
happened there, we can't we can't mirror that because if

1155
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:15.280
we do something similar and start a conflict that is

1156
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:19.719
globally interesting, the world's going to view us and we're

1157
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:22.199
going to lose that conflict. But if we can go

1158
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:28.599
under the radar and there's a big enough conflict like

1159
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:34.800
World War three, maybe where our little skirmish isn't really

1160
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:38.840
worried about, we might have a play for the Korean peninsula. Yeah,

1161
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.760
that's all going to be affected by the intelligence gained

1162
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:43.920
through the support from Russia.

1163
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.199
I was going to make another point about the Korean

1164
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:50.559
involvement so the rumor about them getting nuclear technology from

1165
01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:55.000
Russia was one thing. And here's another factor. I don't know,

1166
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.519
I don't know if it's if it's true. This is

1167
01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:02.480
just a little theory here. Do you think that maybe

1168
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:04.159
North Korea could have been one of the allies that

1169
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:07.400
Russia could go to and push into this because I

1170
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.960
know that I know that Russia supplies a lot them

1171
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.320
and them and China both, but Russia does supply a

1172
01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:15.719
lot of food to North Korea because North Korea doesn't

1173
01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:17.399
really grow a lot of their own stuff. I mean,

1174
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.880
they're in such turmoil over there in that nation. They're

1175
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:23.680
farming and everything's just horrible. And I know Russia supplies

1176
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:25.600
a lot of grain and a lot of a lot

1177
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.319
of different supplies to North Korea. Do you think that

1178
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:29.840
could have been a bargaining chip as well?

1179
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:33.439
Yeah, so that was actually part of the bargaining chip.

1180
01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:37.199
So that was the public thing that that was announced.

1181
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.960
Was that I missed it. I didn't even know.

1182
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.479
Yeah, so North Korea said, yeah, we're going to support

1183
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.920
We're supporting Russia. Not from a they didn't they haven't

1184
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:51.960
admitted even yet that they're there militarily, but they did

1185
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:54.800
say yes, we have a mutual So there's a mutual

1186
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:57.880
agreement that was signed in July that just came out

1187
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:02.880
publicly over the few weeks of this, this Russia North

1188
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:06.239
Korea agreement. The major part of that agreement is that

1189
01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:08.680
it goes back to the U scratch my back, I'll

1190
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:12.479
scratch your back. It says if one of us is attacked,

1191
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:15.359
it's sort of the NATO Article five. If one of

1192
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:17.560
us is attacked, the other person is going to come

1193
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:23.039
to support militarily. The other part of that was Russia

1194
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:27.479
is going to continue to supply, believe like tax free

1195
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:33.359
or tari free grains and food and sort of sustenance

1196
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:36.840
to the North Koreans to continue to prop up their

1197
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:40.600
economy because their economies and shambles, they need to improve it.

1198
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:42.319
That was one of the parts of it.

1199
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:44.399
I didn't even I'd even I didn't even know that.

1200
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:47.239
I didn't even catch that that article or that report.

1201
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:50.840
Yeah, I mean it was so that would probably be

1202
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:52.960
because a lot of what the media reported on it.

1203
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:54.680
And then you know how I feel about the media.

1204
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:56.720
I guess I don't need to go in into that,

1205
01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:02.640
but I don't like it. Guys. If anybody's wondering. Well,

1206
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.479
but a lot of their headlines were, oh, this new pact,

1207
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:10.000
this is a new military pact. Well, it was an

1208
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:14.359
economic pact. Honestly, it wasn't really. That was sort of

1209
01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:16.920
like between the line, reading between the lines, got it. It

1210
01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:19.000
was it was an economic pact, all right.

1211
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:20.560
So I wasn't too far off, I guess.

1212
01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:23.880
No, No, I don't think many people understand.

1213
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.760
It, got it. Yeah, it was just a theory. I

1214
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:27.199
was just I was just I didn't know that that

1215
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:29.359
was an actual thing. I mean, there's so much coming

1216
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.960
at us, like I can't I can't grab it all.

1217
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:34.039
So I just I thought I had my own little

1218
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:35.680
theory I came up with. But apparently if someone else

1219
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.560
figured it out, So I just thought i'd ask.

1220
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:40.239
You, Hey, nobody figured it out. You were right, you

1221
01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.399
were on the right track. This is so oh well,

1222
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:46.720
if you want to understand how how the intelligence process works,

1223
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.239
you just you just walked through it. Yeah, hey, you

1224
01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:53.319
know without even having all of the details in place,

1225
01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:57.039
because we have no known knowns, known unknowns and then

1226
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:01.760
unknown unknowns within the intelligence community or within an intelligence perspective,

1227
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:06.399
it's a lot of information, right, you just said it eloquently.

1228
01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.479
We're inundated with a lot of data, a lot of information,

1229
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:11.560
but we've got to understand it. We're not going to

1230
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:14.359
see it all. Not every analyst is going to see

1231
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:15.520
everything that's out there.

1232
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:16.680
There's just so much.

1233
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:20.840
But we use common sense and we take away bias

1234
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:24.359
and we just try to understand the world outside of

1235
01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:30.119
a worldview in that community's view. Right, so north Korea's view,

1236
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:35.159
what would North Korea gain from this? Well, their economy

1237
01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:38.319
is collapsing. There must be some sort of economic factor

1238
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:40.279
to this. What is that? And so at that point,

1239
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.920
if you are the intelligence analyst that's working North Korea,

1240
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:46.079
that's the point where you would start diving deep into

1241
01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:50.479
the economic aspects of it. And that's the difference between

1242
01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:56.880
an economic intelligence analyst and then a sort of military

1243
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:59.560
intelligence anaist. The military intelligence analyst is going to view

1244
01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:04.640
it from a military aspect munitions soldiers, and economic intelligence

1245
01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:07.039
analyst that is going to view it from the economic

1246
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:11.560
perspective and say, well, what what's the benefit here economically?

1247
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.159
I think I think what's hard is for people on

1248
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.439
the outside, like let's just talk about like open source intelligence, right,

1249
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:23.000
everything's based on what's publicly available you know, declassified or

1250
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:25.479
publicly available. So you've got to keep comparing and putting

1251
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:28.159
these pieces together until it's like does A and B

1252
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:31.880
equal X? Yes, yes, and then there's a why, like no,

1253
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.800
it doesn't. You got to comparing to find that you're

1254
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.600
getting enough of the same result to go, Okay, this

1255
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:38.800
might be true or could be true.

1256
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:42.359
And this is my problem with open source intelligence accounts

1257
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:47.880
on x, Twitter or whatever social media is that they're

1258
01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:52.279
they're really just open source information accounts. So they're seeing

1259
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:57.920
information headlines. They're basically just copy and pastes headlines and

1260
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:02.479
regurgitating it, and they're like open source intelligence. No, motherfucker,

1261
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:05.680
that's just information that everyone has access to. You just

1262
01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:09.159
found it first, and there's a there's a benefit to that,

1263
01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.439
But all you're doing is reporting. You're a journalist. You've

1264
01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:17.520
basically just pigeonholed yourself as a journalist because you're reporting

1265
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.960
what happened and nothing else. And my problem with journalism

1266
01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:25.680
outside of so journalists should do what those ostent accounts

1267
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.960
are doing, which is just report what's happening, get into

1268
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:33.319
the details, and leave it at that. Let the investigator,

1269
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:38.720
let the analysts understand, comprehend what's going on and highlight that.

1270
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:43.680
So an open source intelligence account shouldn't say, currently, Ukraine

1271
01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:47.560
just used attackms and so that's a current event. Ukraine

1272
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:52.239
was authorized and they just did use attacks these long

1273
01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:56.479
range US military munitions in Russia. That an open source

1274
01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:59.760
intelligence account on Twitter will say just that that they

1275
01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:04.399
did that. An actual open source intelligence account will say,

1276
01:14:04.760 --> 01:14:08.760
here is what happened, Here is the reasoning behind that.

1277
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:14.920
So Ukraine just used munitions in deeper into Russia. They

1278
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:19.000
did that because they're making a big push to not

1279
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:23.159
go to the negotiating table, you know, backlogged in a

1280
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:25.760
loss in a conflict that's dragged on for two for

1281
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:31.239
two almost three years, and here are the primary, secondary,

1282
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.920
and tertiary effects of that. That's actual open source intelligence

1283
01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:40.560
just saying Reuters reported that this happened, right, that's a journalist.

1284
01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:41.680
Let journalists do that.

1285
01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:46.319
You're not giving a real assessment of why, where it's going,

1286
01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:50.159
what could happen, none of that. You're just regurgitating information.

1287
01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:54.199
And then a lot of the accounts that I do

1288
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:57.399
utilize these accounts. It's great because I get open source

1289
01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:02.600
intelligence from open source information accounts and you have to

1290
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:05.159
so then in that you have to understand those accounts

1291
01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:09.039
are biased as well. You've got pro Ukrainian ones, pro

1292
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:12.920
Russian ones, see it, pro Israel pro. They're not going

1293
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:14.720
to say they're pro Hamas or has Blood.

1294
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:16.760
Well, there's a few that definitely do say.

1295
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:21.079
That, and they give poor assessments on what's going on

1296
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:24.960
based on their worldview because they haven't lived it. They

1297
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:28.880
have not been an intelligence or they were an intelligence practitioner,

1298
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:32.199
and they did it for a couple of years. And

1299
01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:35.239
I'm not denigrating anybody who's done it for a couple

1300
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.079
of years and then wants to go out there, but

1301
01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:39.840
they've only got that sort of two to four years

1302
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:44.760
of training and experience. And it's like a college student

1303
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:49.199
who's in finance and they graduate from college and they

1304
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:53.039
expect to be the CEO of a Wall Street company. Right,

1305
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:55.680
It's like, you can't do that. You've got to actually

1306
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:58.680
do the work and get to it. And I'm not

1307
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:00.880
saying that because I think I'm I'm not better than

1308
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:06.159
them as far as like grabbing the information. So within

1309
01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:12.479
the intelligence cycle you've got, you know, it's it's an

1310
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.039
like I said, it's an entire cycle. So part of

1311
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:21.840
that cycle is the the collection portion, So that collection portion,

1312
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:24.920
they are probably ten times better than I am at

1313
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:30.119
collecting the data. But according to people that trust me,

1314
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:35.279
I am ten times better at analyzing and assessing that

1315
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:37.600
data than they would ever be. Well, and that's not

1316
01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:40.000
propping me up or tooting my own horn, but it's

1317
01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:40.720
just my experience.

1318
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:42.680
This is what I have noticed about you. You're not

1319
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.520
the first person to comment on a situation, which is

1320
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:49.000
a good thing, which means I can trust that you've

1321
01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:51.960
taken your time to really assess what's going on and

1322
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:55.680
comparing the data. Okay, I think think from what I've

1323
01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:57.680
seen because I'm not in the this is not my game.

1324
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:00.319
I mean, I don't have this experience that you do. Uh,

1325
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:04.800
but I see what you see where they're not taking

1326
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:09.159
enough information from enough sources to compare. It's just like, oh,

1327
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:11.239
you know this news network said this, and then this

1328
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.039
other one did. They might take three and go okay,

1329
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:17.079
this what's going on. They're not getting enough. I don't

1330
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:19.159
think they get enough information from different sources that may

1331
01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:22.000
be both biased and unbiased, like I usually try to

1332
01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:25.600
get if it's something that's pro hamas for example, I

1333
01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.279
actually do have some accounts I'll subscribe to and I like,

1334
01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:30.159
I want to see that information because i want to

1335
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:32.479
see what they're saying. I'm not gonna comment on it,

1336
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:34.039
you know, on their social media.

1337
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:37.000
But listen, I articularly do as well. You know, my

1338
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:40.760
follows are not a testament to my belief system. I

1339
01:17:40.760 --> 01:17:43.199
don't think we should be an echo chambers I am.

1340
01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:46.359
I'm happy to hear that you do have even pro

1341
01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:50.680
Hamas or pro Hesbla. I follow accounts. I follow US

1342
01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:55.560
intelligence accounts or for prior service veterans who were or

1343
01:17:56.079 --> 01:18:00.560
US intelligence who are pro Hamas and Hesbela. They wouldn't

1344
01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.079
come out and say it, but the statements that they

1345
01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.640
have made against Israel and for what's going on, what

1346
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:10.439
Hamas is doing, they're definitely a pro Hamas pro has Beloved.

1347
01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:14.520
Maybe not pro terrorism because they don't view those entities

1348
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:18.119
as terrorists, right, but they have a worldview and they

1349
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:22.920
and not everyone in the intelligence community is unbiased. I

1350
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:28.760
have been in a situation where a leader, so my customer,

1351
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:32.039
has told me, hey, can you kind of fudge these

1352
01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:35.600
numbers because we're really trying to go out tonight to

1353
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.000
go after this guy. And I've had to tell them no,

1354
01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:41.560
that's not what the that's not what I'm going to do.

1355
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:44.880
You're not going to do that to me. And if

1356
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:49.560
I so kind of get in how the sausage is made, right,

1357
01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:53.520
we do PowerPoint presentations. Everybody probably knows that PowerPoint ranger.

1358
01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:57.199
I started to file minds as a PDF because they

1359
01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:00.159
couldn't be edited at the time, and send it to

1360
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:03.479
that person only as a PDF because I saw that

1361
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:07.319
they started editing what I was saying. Because I got

1362
01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:10.359
back from people who are in a position of power

1363
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:13.960
now leaders now asking me, hey, you said this and

1364
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.479
it wasn't true what happened there? And I was like,

1365
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:19.399
that is absolutely what I did not say. Here is

1366
01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:22.520
the presentation that I gave them, and what I did say,

1367
01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:26.600
they changed it. That leader that changed it was then

1368
01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:30.520
fired and pushed out. That's definitely. That definitely happens, and

1369
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.039
it's why I push for just like you said, multi

1370
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:39.319
source intelligence reporting, very very interesting. I'm going all over

1371
01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:40.880
the place and I'm very sorry for this. You can

1372
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:42.119
stop me, but oh.

1373
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:43.720
No, this is all gonna look to where we're going next.

1374
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:45.119
So that's okay.

1375
01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:49.760
When I did my my interview for Special Operations and

1376
01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:52.119
I was not I want to make it abundantly clear.

1377
01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.600
I was not a special operations soldier. I did not

1378
01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.640
put on a uniform as a special operations person. I

1379
01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:04.119
was was attached to a special operations unit, these special

1380
01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:08.840
operations unit under the capacity of an intelligence analyst. And

1381
01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:13.920
in my interview for that for because of my background

1382
01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:18.840
in imagery intelligence, I was asked, what do you consider

1383
01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:23.760
the greatest form of intelligence? In my response, which actually

1384
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:30.199
hurt me on my scale, was I think all intelligence

1385
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:34.279
practitioners and every intelligence practice has a benefit, and that

1386
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:39.640
combined all source intelligence, combining every aspect of the intelligence

1387
01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:43.760
community is the most important part of intelligence. And I

1388
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:46.520
was told by the sergeant major at the time, no,

1389
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:48.680
we wanted you to tell it was kind of tongue

1390
01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:51.399
in cheek and a joke, but he was like, no,

1391
01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:53.880
you should have said imagery analysis because you're going to

1392
01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:56.880
be doing geospatial intelligence. I did not do that in

1393
01:20:56.920 --> 01:21:01.000
that capacity. I was an intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance team lead,

1394
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.840
which combined a bunch of different factors, which is what

1395
01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.479
I pushed for. But that, yeah, that was that was

1396
01:21:07.520 --> 01:21:12.439
part of it. I am a proponent of multi sourced

1397
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:18.079
intelligence that those sources come from as far left if

1398
01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:20.000
you want to talk politically, as far left and as

1399
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:23.880
far right as you can be, because you don't understand

1400
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:27.239
what's really going on unless you know what everyone is saying.

1401
01:21:27.279 --> 01:21:28.920
So just like we go back to the art of war,

1402
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:33.000
know your enemy and you'll know and you'll be If

1403
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.479
you know yourself, then you can win a battle. If

1404
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:39.239
you know your enemy as well as yourself, you will

1405
01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:39.800
win the war.

1406
01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:43.319
Right, that's true. Also, what keep your friends closer or

1407
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:45.000
your enemy? Yeah?

1408
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.479
Right, Yeah, keep your friends close and your enemies closer

1409
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.239
closer because you'll know what they're saying about you.

1410
01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:53.640
So it's it's just amazing to me how people who

1411
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:57.960
claim to know or be authorities don't do exactly what

1412
01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:01.319
you said and rely on multiple sources and take the

1413
01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:05.079
time to analyze that data before they actually make a

1414
01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:10.960
statement or have an opinion. It just the average and

1415
01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.680
the average person doesn't see through that, unfortunately, and and

1416
01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:17.720
that's how we get to where we are. At many times,

1417
01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:19.000
it's it's.

1418
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:22.920
Yeah, when you're confused like I am sometimes, So why

1419
01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:25.600
does this account have one point one million followers?

1420
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.079
I have new idea how that happened?

1421
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:30.000
And I can't gain traction when I'm actually putting out

1422
01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:33.279
like and and some of that is I've got to

1423
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.239
deal with that myself of being I know what I'm

1424
01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:39.800
saying is fucking right, so why isn't anybody listening to me?

1425
01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:41.960
Those are internal conversations that.

1426
01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:45.640
My thing with social media is, you know, it has

1427
01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:49.319
turned into more of a source of information than than

1428
01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:51.840
it ever has before in terms of news and what's

1429
01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:56.520
going on. But trying to filter through whether those sources

1430
01:22:56.680 --> 01:23:01.279
are actually legitimate, you know, source This is another issue

1431
01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:03.239
because there's a lot of people doing what you say,

1432
01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:05.600
They're just regurgitating it, and then the more they do it, it

1433
01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:08.560
looks like more people believe it, and then it's assumed

1434
01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:11.600
to now be true because there's so many people regurgitating

1435
01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:14.319
that information, but it's not necessarily the correct information.

1436
01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:17.079
And I got caught up into it too early on.

1437
01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:22.800
It was like, Hey, something happens, and I got a man,

1438
01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:25.359
I've got to comment on this. You know, I'm on

1439
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:27.199
the news, I'm on all this kind of stuff. I've

1440
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:30.079
got to immediately comment. And there were a couple of

1441
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:33.640
times where I commented on something and it turned out

1442
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.119
that it was the wrong source or I was reading

1443
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:40.119
it wrong, and I had another intelligence professional that respected

1444
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:42.600
me and I respect them, and they said, hey, man,

1445
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.560
you got this wrong. I just want to let you

1446
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.840
know you need to recomment on it. And I recommented

1447
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:52.840
on it, but it really this was like two years ago,

1448
01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:56.600
and I was just like, that's not who I am.

1449
01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:59.880
I shouldn't be doing that. I shouldn't be commenting because

1450
01:24:00.760 --> 01:24:04.039
that first response is an emotional response. It's always going

1451
01:24:04.119 --> 01:24:07.439
to be an emotional response, and you get things wrong

1452
01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:12.359
in that and I did for on a couple of occasions,

1453
01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:14.800
and so it's good to hear now that you're seeing that.

1454
01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:16.840
I'll be honest, man, my account is waiting.

1455
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:20.319
Even on my show, I've said some shit where I'm like,

1456
01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:22.800
well maybe I should It's already out there. I can't

1457
01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:26.960
fix it now. Yeah, it happens, and sometimes it's based

1458
01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:28.960
on what's available. As you said, there's other times where

1459
01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.199
it's it's just an emotional or knee jerk response to something.

1460
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:35.039
But at least you can go back and say, hey,

1461
01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:37.279
I fucked up. You know this isn't exactly what it

1462
01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:39.680
was or what I said. I mean, I've been responded

1463
01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:41.439
on x on a few times where i'd have to

1464
01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:42.600
go like, well, you know that was wrong.

1465
01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:46.840
We're all just so I think the response usually should be,

1466
01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:51.880
and this is what I've been trying to work on myself.

1467
01:24:52.840 --> 01:24:56.000
So let's take it real world here. There's a lot

1468
01:24:56.039 --> 01:24:58.680
of conversation going on on if the grand Iatola and

1469
01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:01.000
Iran is in a coma or dead.

1470
01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:02.640
Heard that what's going on?

1471
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:07.159
And so the initial response from a from from an

1472
01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:10.319
account that's looking to gain traction would be to just

1473
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:13.359
copy and paste it and say, Hey, the grand Iatola

1474
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.720
is in a coma and he's on a deathbed. The

1475
01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:20.039
real response that I have is, oh, wow, that's interesting,

1476
01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:26.920
what could that mean if he is there? But within

1477
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:29.159
that response is I don't know if this is.

1478
01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:29.600
True or not.

1479
01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:34.800
And then I go on within what I say, which

1480
01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:39.199
is my probability scale, and I do it very I

1481
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:45.000
try to make it for the civilian consumer, and my

1482
01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:50.560
uh my probably probability scale is unlikely, possible, and probable.

1483
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:54.720
So I posted this on X A couple of days ago.

1484
01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:58.000
When I started seeing the grand Iatola, I said, okay,

1485
01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:02.239
let's use this on the probability scale. Is the is

1486
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:09.520
Homini dead? Unlikely? Is Homini in a coma? It's possible.

1487
01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:11.600
It's possible he's in a coma. This is these are

1488
01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:13.199
the things to kind of look for if he's in

1489
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:17.920
a coma, other people uh making public statements on his behalf,

1490
01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:20.960
not being able to see him in a public setting,

1491
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:25.479
those are things to look for. Then I said, is

1492
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:30.199
the is the Ayatola Comeni an evil, terrible bastard that

1493
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:32.239
has his thumb on his people and is ruining the

1494
01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:36.239
economy of Iran. Yes, that's probable. I have that as

1495
01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:40.119
more than ninety nine percent chance that that's what's going

1496
01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:43.920
on here. But that's the that's the intelligence scale, right.

1497
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:48.159
It's like, oh, this is interesting. I wonder if it's true.

1498
01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:52.199
My first my first initial reaction is this true, It's possible.

1499
01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:55.520
A lot of things are possible. Let me dive deeper

1500
01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:58.199
into it. At this point, I've dove deeper into that.

1501
01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:00.279
I don't think he's in a coma. I just think

1502
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:04.760
that there are some entities within, especially within Iran, who

1503
01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:06.800
want him out and they want to usher in a

1504
01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:11.600
new UH, a new Iran that is friendlier to the West,

1505
01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:14.960
to get those sanctions off of them. And they're probably

1506
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:22.239
there's probable that they're promoting these uh these baseless coma

1507
01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:28.319
or death information. So that's probably where we're at. But

1508
01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:30.800
that's how that's how it's done. And so to just say,

1509
01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:35.000
I'm going to copy this headline that says, uh, Russia

1510
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:39.079
is about to use nuclear weapons, copy paste it, throw

1511
01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:42.560
it into X. It's possible they are, but that's not

1512
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:46.319
what the headline says. It says that they will the problem.

1513
01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:49.319
Okay, So I I personally, since we've been talking about

1514
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:53.600
social media, uh late, you know, right now this conversation,

1515
01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:58.720
I personally already came to conclusion that I don't I

1516
01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:02.159
don't use it to build this massive account like most

1517
01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:04.479
people do. To be honest, I don't have the time

1518
01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:06.800
of the day to sit there and just post and

1519
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:08.640
post and post. I'm not looking at that to make

1520
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:10.920
money like some other people do. And I just can't

1521
01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:14.239
understand that world. It's not what I'm there for. I'm

1522
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:18.199
there for gathering information. I just want to hear the

1523
01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:20.359
whispers and the echoes and kind of get a pulse

1524
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:24.000
on what people are kind of thinking. And as you

1525
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:25.920
said earlier, I mean, there's just so much coming at

1526
01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:28.319
you just kind of got to take it in and start,

1527
01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:33.159
you know, assessing Okay, what might be real, what's plausible,

1528
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:36.079
what isn't And that's what I use it for. So

1529
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:40.000
it's like, for example, I know there's times like guys

1530
01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:41.520
like you who are telling the truth and you know

1531
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:44.680
your shit, You're like, why isn't this cash and fire? Right? Like,

1532
01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.279
I'm telling people what's going on and they're not understanding

1533
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:51.359
that this is what's really happening. And unfortunately I'm seeing that.

1534
01:28:52.119 --> 01:28:55.640
You know, if you're not making people feel, if you're

1535
01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.960
not if you're not getting there and letting them reaffirming

1536
01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:03.439
their beliefs based on what they're getting within the bubbly living,

1537
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:06.319
you're just not going to gain any traction. And that's

1538
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:08.479
not what you are. You're the person it's like, look,

1539
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:12.239
this is the situation based on my professional experience and

1540
01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:15.239
what I've done and everything that I can say given

1541
01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:18.560
the data, this is what's really happening. And that's not

1542
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:20.479
exciting or sexy for people. You know what I'm saying.

1543
01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:21.680
They're just like, oh yeah.

1544
01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:24.359
Yeah, so there I've been I've been just playing this

1545
01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:26.960
line back in my head for months now. So there's

1546
01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:29.920
a line from an Andrew Bird song. I don't know

1547
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:32.239
if you know who Andrew Bird is maybe some people

1548
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:34.279
in your audi. He's a musician. He does a lot

1549
01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:38.479
of like he's incredible. He can play every musical instrument.

1550
01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:41.800
His whistle. I've seen him live. His whistle whistling just

1551
01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:44.760
with his mouth is absolutely incredible. But he has this

1552
01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:49.399
line in the song called Sisyphis, about Sisyphis if everybody

1553
01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:54.760
knows their their philosophy, and the line that really resonated

1554
01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.800
with me. He said, history forgets the moderates, and that

1555
01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:02.439
is absolutely true. It's a great line, actually, and that

1556
01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:06.159
is the problem that a platform like mine or like

1557
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:09.680
yours is coming up against. And it's part of I've

1558
01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:11.920
said this on a on a couple of different podcasts

1559
01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.359
as well as in some writings that I've done. You know,

1560
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:19.000
we can no longer let history forget the moderates. Allow

1561
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:23.279
the moderates to do what we do, which is see

1562
01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:28.720
things outside of the perspective of bias and move this society,

1563
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:32.880
the human culture in society along outside of our tribes

1564
01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:36.720
and worldviews in a path that is far better than

1565
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:38.399
what the extremes are gonna do.

1566
01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:44.239
Yeah, I mean, that's all right, you said it, all right,

1567
01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.039
there you go. No, that's that's all very true. It's

1568
01:30:48.039 --> 01:30:51.399
that's a great statement, because it's I don't know what

1569
01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:53.119
we're gonna do to change people's.

1570
01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:54.880
May if you think about it, have you do you

1571
01:30:54.960 --> 01:31:01.600
know any historical figure who was just moderate. I mean one,

1572
01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:04.640
John Adams comes to mind. He's not even the most popular.

1573
01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:09.399
Here's here's here's the thing. What you said is correct,

1574
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:13.119
because look, it always goes back to that old sailing

1575
01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:17.279
us sailing saying, you know, at some point, everyone's always

1576
01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:22.159
always gonna tell you, well, you got to choose a side. Yeah, right, absolutely,

1577
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:24.279
we're always going to try to play the middle. And

1578
01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:26.279
I'm not saying you're playing the middle. I'm just using

1579
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:27.960
that as a bigger speech here. But we're always going

1580
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.680
to try to say, Okay, here's the right, here's the left,

1581
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:33.680
here's the back front, whatever, we're gonna sit up right here,

1582
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:35.840
right here, kind of in the middle. Take all this

1583
01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:38.119
in and try to make sense of it and make

1584
01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:40.840
sure that people don't start tearing each other's throats out.

1585
01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:43.239
Say hold on, guys, yep, that's not what's really going on.

1586
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:45.039
This's not what he said. She said. This is what's

1587
01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:48.279
really happening, and we all want to at least you,

1588
01:31:48.359 --> 01:31:52.479
and I want to be that person. But historically, the people,

1589
01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:55.560
as you said, that have always been recognized are the

1590
01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:59.199
ones that literally either went full right or full left. Period.

1591
01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:03.399
Well, it's because I think people will take chance. Those

1592
01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:07.000
the extreme people are going to take chances. Now. I'm

1593
01:32:07.039 --> 01:32:10.560
also what some would consider an early adopter. A new

1594
01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.640
technology comes out, I'll use it. I early adopt a

1595
01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:17.600
lot of things. I know one thing on X that

1596
01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:21.000
has a lot of people chromogeny is this new blue

1597
01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:26.920
Sky platform. And know when everybody on X is virtue

1598
01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:29.720
signaling that they're leaving Twitter and they're going to go

1599
01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.399
to blue Sky. I adopted blue Sky very early on

1600
01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:35.720
because I have some friends in journalism that gave me

1601
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.159
access to it and I was able to build an account. Right.

1602
01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:44.199
So I'm an early adopter. That's what I don't want

1603
01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:46.439
to It's not a platform for blue Sky, but if

1604
01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:51.319
you're there, hey follow. So I'm an early adopter. I

1605
01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:55.600
am a moderate in that I try to view things out.

1606
01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:58.359
I have a worldview. I absolutely have a worldview that

1607
01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:03.359
was curate through my entire childhood, into my military experience,

1608
01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.159
through my military career into where I stand right now.

1609
01:33:06.520 --> 01:33:11.000
I have a worldview. What I try to do is

1610
01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:15.520
escape that worldview and identify things that are happening outside

1611
01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:18.800
of ideology. And to do that, you have to understand

1612
01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:23.079
other people's ideology, and you have to understand you have

1613
01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:26.760
to understand people where they're coming from. So we have

1614
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:29.279
a lot of conversations about why how did Trump win?

1615
01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.439
You're asking the wrong people if you're the Democratic Party

1616
01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:36.079
asking why Trump won, because they're only asking each other

1617
01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.439
why they lost. You know why Trump won, Go ask

1618
01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:42.359
the guy in rural Pennsylvania why they voted for Trump,

1619
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:45.199
and they'll tell you. That's who you need to go to.

1620
01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:48.760
That's the kind of moderate that I'm looking for, or

1621
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:51.279
that I'm trying to be. Am I going to take

1622
01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.920
a chance? Am I going to take a side? I'm

1623
01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:57.840
going to take a side on truth and what's actually happening.

1624
01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:00.479
But also, if you're going to ask me to take

1625
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:02.600
a side on my morals and ethics, I'm going to

1626
01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:04.720
take a side on that. I did that in this election,

1627
01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:08.920
on who I voted for. I think I was on

1628
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:12.560
here when I said I wasn't voting in this election. Actually,

1629
01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:15.399
my wife and I sat down and we talked about it,

1630
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.159
and I did vote in this election because she made

1631
01:34:18.159 --> 01:34:21.479
a great point. She said, you are always telling people

1632
01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:26.720
you need to vote locally, and she said, we have

1633
01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:30.119
a local election here, we have an election within I'm

1634
01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.479
in Virginia, Northern Virginia, so we have an election in

1635
01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:39.520
Virginia with our representatives and our Senate. We have in

1636
01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:42.479
our town that we live in. We have elections just

1637
01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:46.560
because you And she's like, you tell people this all

1638
01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:49.279
the time. The presidency doesn't matter. Why are we always

1639
01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:52.479
focused on the presidency. They should not. The president should

1640
01:34:52.479 --> 01:34:54.760
not have that much power in this country. And yet

1641
01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:58.079
you're going to bypass an election based on the presidency

1642
01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:02.039
when they're a local election that you should be voting for.

1643
01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:05.279
And I said, you're absolutely right as part of the

1644
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:10.039
intelligence process. Yes, you're absolutely right, And I'm going to

1645
01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:12.439
change my opinion on that, and I'm going to vote

1646
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:15.560
in the local elections and bypass the presidency. And I

1647
01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:17.279
did that. I didn't vote in the presidency, but I

1648
01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:21.399
voted in all the local elections. That to me is

1649
01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:24.960
taking a bold step as a moderate. I'm not going

1650
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:31.000
to allow these two extreme sides to dictate what we're

1651
01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:33.640
going to do. And at least my community. Where can

1652
01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:36.399
I affect change in my community? So I tried to

1653
01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:39.960
affect change in my community. And I think moderates get

1654
01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:43.880
a bad rap because they're said, well, you don't do anything,

1655
01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:46.239
you just sit on the sidelines. No, we're trying to

1656
01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:48.840
do stuff. You just won't fucking listen to us, guys.

1657
01:35:50.680 --> 01:35:54.640
That's a fair point. And I got in this conversation

1658
01:35:55.359 --> 01:35:59.159
about voting local. I got in this conversation with somebody

1659
01:35:59.239 --> 01:36:01.880
who was actually, I'm I'm in California. I don't even

1660
01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:03.800
care who knows where I live anymore, but I'm in Modesko.

1661
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:07.760
At this point, it's like, you know, who cares what

1662
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:11.720
they're gonna do, say hello, not whatever, But anyway, where

1663
01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:17.039
I'm at it's I had a fellow who was running

1664
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:21.319
for city council District three. I knew who he was

1665
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:23.319
from years ago. I haven't talked to him in a

1666
01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:26.159
long time, but he was he was running for reelection,

1667
01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:27.920
and I had him on the show and we talked

1668
01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:31.439
about that, and in my opinion, I told him, you know,

1669
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:34.720
I should have him back on actually challenging. I kind

1670
01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:37.800
of softball that whole thing for him. But anyway, uh,

1671
01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:41.000
he he didn't agree. With me what I think personally,

1672
01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:42.880
if you want to change your world, I mean your world,

1673
01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:46.159
like your personal world politically, you've got to start local

1674
01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:49.000
because if you don't, if you don't create a base there,

1675
01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:52.039
it's it's never going to reach up to the top.

1676
01:36:52.359 --> 01:36:54.520
It's never gonna like it starts there. You gotta you

1677
01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:57.840
gotta get your base figured out. You got to vote

1678
01:36:57.880 --> 01:37:00.720
for who's gonna affect change in your area around you,

1679
01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:02.479
in the world that you want to live in, and

1680
01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:05.000
you got to protect that. And if enough people pay

1681
01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:09.439
attention to that, then it does filter and expand out

1682
01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:12.279
from there, and it's almost, like, I hate to say it,

1683
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:16.319
like a pyramid scheme to where everything you know, bottom up. Yeah,

1684
01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:18.479
I believe that. I believe that's exactly how we're going

1685
01:37:18.520 --> 01:37:22.760
to ultimately make change. I think that's a kind of

1686
01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:27.039
what we saw with this election with Trump winning. And

1687
01:37:27.439 --> 01:37:30.039
I'm not sure that everybody voted locally the right way.

1688
01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:33.680
It really did look like a lot of people or

1689
01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:35.560
maybe they did. I don't know, a lot of people

1690
01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:39.960
voted for Trump, but then they voted opposite of the party.

1691
01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.039
Yeah, it's a very interesting you know how you know,

1692
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:48.039
theories coming out that it's like, oh, well this Democrat won,

1693
01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:52.000
but Trump won. You know, Trump got the majority of

1694
01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:56.520
votes in this county, let's say, but this Democrat one, Well,

1695
01:37:56.520 --> 01:38:00.800
that's because that the people, the majority of people in

1696
01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:06.840
that community decided, Hey, for me personally, what's best is

1697
01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:10.319
this Democrat politician who said they're going to do these

1698
01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:15.199
things for me personally. But what's best for the country.

1699
01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:20.159
For nationally is Donald Trump? Because look, I've seen my

1700
01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:22.560
bank account. I know it's been a lot less in

1701
01:38:22.600 --> 01:38:25.319
the last four years. I'm this is all hyperbole. It's

1702
01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:27.640
not what I'm saying I did or anyone else did.

1703
01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:31.479
But that's the thought process. What's better nationally? Oh maybe

1704
01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:34.359
it's maybe it's Donald Trump, But what's best locally for me?

1705
01:38:35.199 --> 01:38:39.640
This guy or girl or whoever who was saying, hey,

1706
01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:41.720
this is what they're going to do within the community

1707
01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:43.520
to help my community.

1708
01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:45.399
A lot of people I think.

1709
01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:50.359
I like the people who do those kind of things,

1710
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:54.439
who will not vote because anyone who's walked into a

1711
01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:59.000
polling station understands they get a kind of pamphlet or

1712
01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:01.680
brochure or a leaf that says, here are all the

1713
01:39:01.720 --> 01:39:05.439
Republicans that are running, or here are all the Democrats

1714
01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:08.840
that are running. Whenever you make your vote, just do

1715
01:39:08.920 --> 01:39:13.000
it down this party line, and so seventy percent of

1716
01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:17.039
our electorate will vote down those party lines based off

1717
01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:19.239
of the pamphlet that's handed to them. I think that

1718
01:39:19.239 --> 01:39:23.359
should be fucking illegal. I think we should get party

1719
01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:28.279
politics away from the voting booth and let people go

1720
01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:31.159
in based off of their own knowledge on the people

1721
01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:33.960
that they want to elect, not based off of the

1722
01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:39.279
big R, big D, you know, Libertarian, Independent, Green Party, whatever.

1723
01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:44.199
Have people actually educated on what they're voting for by

1724
01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:47.840
looking into the candidate personally and then voting for that person.

1725
01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:50.880
And then if you don't know the person, like there's

1726
01:39:51.079 --> 01:39:53.760
a ton of different right community elections that you may

1727
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:56.159
not even know the two people running, and so it's

1728
01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:59.039
very easy to see R or D on that person

1729
01:39:59.159 --> 01:40:01.520
and just vote. So the way I do it is

1730
01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:03.640
when I see those names and I don't know any

1731
01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:06.640
single person, I'm not voting. You have a right to

1732
01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:11.279
not vote in that particular election, don't vote for anybody.

1733
01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:13.720
Let the people who have done the research vote for it.

1734
01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:17.800
But to just vote down party lines is that's what

1735
01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:19.880
has gotten us into this two party system that we

1736
01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:20.680
can't get out of.

1737
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:25.640
I won't disagree with that, and I think you're right

1738
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:30.840
because vote voting local is different than voting for for

1739
01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:33.239
the you know, nationally, the voting for the president is

1740
01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:36.640
a whole different thing because everyone's backyard is different regionally,

1741
01:40:37.800 --> 01:40:41.199
your type of job, what's around you, the industries actually

1742
01:40:41.239 --> 01:40:44.720
will shape where you live, and you have to vote

1743
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:47.920
accordingly to keep those things going period. You know, if

1744
01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:49.880
you live in certain areas like where I'm at, it's

1745
01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:52.880
kind of more like Central Valley. It's all farm out here.

1746
01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:56.239
And if you look at California, what's crazy is it's

1747
01:40:56.279 --> 01:41:00.279
one of those forever blue states, but there's a huge

1748
01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:02.359
chunk in the middle, like it's like a few cities

1749
01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:05.640
that determine how blue it is. Yet everything else is red.

1750
01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:08.239
Because you know, a.

1751
01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:11.239
Fun way to go ahead to explain states rights to

1752
01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:15.199
maybe a European fly them over to the United States

1753
01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:21.279
and drive just drive, just go from you know, not

1754
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:25.760
even from the northeast to the to the you know,

1755
01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:31.800
southwest of California, drive from Georgia to Nevada and just

1756
01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:36.319
have them sit there and they understand, Oh, I get

1757
01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:40.079
why France doesn't have states rights because it's just a

1758
01:41:40.119 --> 01:41:42.119
small little country in the middle of Europe. We have

1759
01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:47.560
French rights, our own French rights, but from Georgia, Like,

1760
01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:51.600
I don't think Georgian politicians the state of Georgia. I

1761
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:53.159
guess I shouldn't use that one, because there is an

1762
01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:57.399
ether for Georgia. But South Carolinian politicians should not be

1763
01:41:57.479 --> 01:42:03.800
making laws for Oregon Oregon people. That's not what should

1764
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:08.399
be happening. South Carolinian politicians should be making laws for

1765
01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:14.680
South Carolinians, and senators and House of Representatives in Oregon

1766
01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:17.680
should be focused on the issues that the Oregon people

1767
01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:22.520
should be focused on. The demographics between Florida and the

1768
01:42:22.520 --> 01:42:27.359
state of Washington, two completely different states, are completely different. Obviously,

1769
01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:32.119
you have a different generation. You have tons of different

1770
01:42:32.159 --> 01:42:36.119
generations and different political leanings and all kinds of things.

1771
01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:38.920
Those people shouldn't be making policy. The people of Florida

1772
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:41.520
shouldn't be making policy for the people of California. That's

1773
01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:42.760
not how this should be working.

1774
01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:49.560
Well, it's true, and it's interesting because you always, you know,

1775
01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:55.319
especially this election, you've always heard about the diversity right

1776
01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:58.800
and the left, the left or Democratic Party. I'm just

1777
01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:03.720
saying left would push diversity. Diversity diversity, but the way

1778
01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:05.720
they were saying it or the points we're trying to make,

1779
01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:09.720
was to fit the context of their campaign while also

1780
01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:13.560
ignoring how diverse the United States really is. Like every region,

1781
01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:15.359
as you just said, is so different. Like you have

1782
01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:18.680
states that are literally built around a fishing industry, you

1783
01:43:18.680 --> 01:43:21.920
have others built around the cotton industry. You have, you know,

1784
01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:25.319
so many different walks of life. And you know, sure

1785
01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:28.319
it might make sense for this city and this state

1786
01:43:28.399 --> 01:43:31.199
to be completely democratic in their vote, but it may

1787
01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:33.159
not for the next Maybe that needs to be Republican

1788
01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:36.640
for whatever reasons, I think.

1789
01:43:36.720 --> 01:43:39.640
And then the conversations that came out after that, right,

1790
01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:43.079
which is like because you know, and I talked about

1791
01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:46.279
this on another podcast where it was like we had

1792
01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:49.439
all these discussions about Puerto Ricans are going to flock

1793
01:43:49.680 --> 01:43:53.319
to the Democratic Party now because of what a comedian

1794
01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:57.920
said during yeah, during a conference that was going on.

1795
01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:05.359
Guess what what's funny is that an entire base considers

1796
01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:09.079
themselves the diversity base, right, and yet all of those

1797
01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:15.359
diverse thoughts they talk about are done monolithically, meaning yes,

1798
01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:18.960
they're all diverse, they're African American, you know, black, Hispanic,

1799
01:44:20.039 --> 01:44:23.119
all the different races and religions and creeds, but they

1800
01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:27.359
all think the same way. And so we know we're

1801
01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:29.520
going to get the vote of these people because they're

1802
01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:31.239
just going to vote the same way. And that didn't

1803
01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:34.560
happen because Trump disrupted that. And I think that's a

1804
01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:38.560
good thing that he disrupted that. Let's stop looking at people,

1805
01:44:39.079 --> 01:44:41.680
you know, as a monolith. People would look at my

1806
01:44:41.800 --> 01:44:45.479
background and go, oh, you were raised evangelical, you're evangelical,

1807
01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:49.000
Southern Louisiana, white, you have to vote this certain way,

1808
01:44:49.159 --> 01:44:52.279
so that we are gonna not even talk to you

1809
01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:54.760
as a Democrat because you're not going to vote that way.

1810
01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:58.119
You didn't even talk to me, You didn't even ask

1811
01:44:58.199 --> 01:45:02.520
what my perspective was on the economy or foreign affairs

1812
01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:07.119
or things of that nature. Why because you judged me

1813
01:45:07.680 --> 01:45:09.880
just what you're saying the right wing is doing. They're

1814
01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:14.199
judging people based off of their race, color, creed, gender, everything.

1815
01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:17.920
You're judging me based off of the same things. And

1816
01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:23.479
so stop telling everyone else they're the problem and do

1817
01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:28.399
some you know, internal dialogue and understand that it can't

1818
01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:31.680
be everybody that's the problem. No, it's it's like when

1819
01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:34.680
you talk to a guy that's or you know a

1820
01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:37.760
man or a woman who's been divorced five times and

1821
01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:41.640
they go, hey, you know all those all my exes,

1822
01:45:41.680 --> 01:45:44.439
they were just crazy. It's like, have you done some

1823
01:45:44.520 --> 01:45:47.000
internal dialogue. Maybe look at yourself in the mirror. Maybe

1824
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:50.680
you're the crazy one, because after a certain point, you

1825
01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:52.960
might be the problem. I think that's where the Democratic

1826
01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:55.359
Party's at right now. I think you're the problem.

1827
01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:59.159
I think America's the problem in general. Out with yeah,

1828
01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:02.359
well is outside of okay, people like you and I

1829
01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:05.560
who podcasts, like we put ourselves in a situation where

1830
01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:07.520
we have to talk for an hour, two hours, stars whatever.

1831
01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:10.560
We actually do get to know people based on those conversations,

1832
01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:14.479
and most people don't engage anymore like that. You know,

1833
01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:16.560
they just look at each other and they might say

1834
01:46:16.600 --> 01:46:19.800
a couple of words and they just move on point

1835
01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:24.239
and case. I just had Okay. So for wedding anniversary,

1836
01:46:24.439 --> 01:46:26.960
you know where we got married, the place was closing down.

1837
01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:30.520
The owner sold. So this year wife's like, hey, let's

1838
01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:32.800
let's go out and experienced the place before they close,

1839
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:34.560
because I guess in December they're gone. They sold the

1840
01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:36.399
land and all that. So we went over there and

1841
01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:38.359
I got to talk. We always end up in the bar.

1842
01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:40.439
I don't know how, you know, starts sinning. We end

1843
01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:42.680
up at the bar. That's where you know, that's just where

1844
01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:45.279
things happen. Right. So we're sitting there and the bartender.

1845
01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:48.199
We're talking and my wife likes to be you know,

1846
01:46:48.239 --> 01:46:50.079
she likes to poke the bear, so to speak. Even

1847
01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:53.600
so she she's like talking about the election, and she

1848
01:46:53.720 --> 01:46:55.880
just she can tell by the conversation. She just kept

1849
01:46:55.880 --> 01:46:58.159
saying Trump's name, and I'm just sitting here. She goes,

1850
01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:00.920
come on, you have a podc why don't. I'm like,

1851
01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:05.000
hold on, let's not do this. So anyway, we get

1852
01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:08.600
talking and and the whole the whole point. I was okay,

1853
01:47:08.600 --> 01:47:12.479
I engaged, but I was like everyone expects, like for me,

1854
01:47:12.640 --> 01:47:14.640
for example, that I'm just gonna go out and start

1855
01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:17.359
snapping at people and correcting them or doing whatever. But

1856
01:47:17.439 --> 01:47:19.000
that's not what I like to do. I like to

1857
01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:21.399
sit there and take it in. They gave me the opportunity.

1858
01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:24.279
This guy was extreme left, by the way, which is fine.

1859
01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:26.960
But in talking to that person and not being an

1860
01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:30.359
asshole myself like I usually can be, I was able

1861
01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:32.319
to get that guy's perspective, and that's the thing that

1862
01:47:32.359 --> 01:47:34.600
we need is to talk because you don't know why

1863
01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:37.960
that person thinks that way. Okay, that's we're all brought

1864
01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:40.359
up differently, we all have our own experiences, and they're

1865
01:47:40.359 --> 01:47:44.119
never necessarily exactly the same. There's a reason this person

1866
01:47:44.840 --> 01:47:47.399
shows that. It could be due to just what they

1867
01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.319
read or here on MSNBC. But for the most part,

1868
01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:52.800
that's not always the case. You know, there's there's always

1869
01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:55.119
something you know, deeper that we got to get to

1870
01:47:55.600 --> 01:47:57.960
and get out of the other person to understand them.

1871
01:47:58.039 --> 01:47:59.640
And you don't have to agree, but at least you

1872
01:47:59.640 --> 01:48:01.720
can walk away going Okay, I get it, I get it,

1873
01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:04.079
and you can respect that person for who they are.

1874
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:07.119
And I don't think we're doing that anymore as Americans.

1875
01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:10.279
Just I think that's where conversations should end.

1876
01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:11.039
Right.

1877
01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:16.119
Look, we're not all here to to be Ben Shapiro

1878
01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:19.800
or someone else who owns the left or owns the

1879
01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:23.600
right and have all these grand, grandiose debates and stuff

1880
01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:26.439
like that. That's not what we're here for. There's a

1881
01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:30.279
time and place for it, but in a regular conversation,

1882
01:48:30.359 --> 01:48:32.880
I absolutely understand where you're coming from. At a bar,

1883
01:48:33.079 --> 01:48:38.039
especially because that's typically you sit at a bar. I'm

1884
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:41.359
a big called an introverted extra extrovert, which means I

1885
01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:44.000
like to get out and do things. But I'm not

1886
01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:47.239
the kind of guy like yourself that what you did

1887
01:48:47.239 --> 01:48:50.560
say that sometimes you will engage and stuff, But at

1888
01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:53.760
a bar, typically people will try to engage with me

1889
01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:56.600
because that's hey, we're in this social environment. I don't

1890
01:48:56.600 --> 01:48:58.720
want to be engaged at that point because I'm just

1891
01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:00.640
there to have a couple of drinks. Most of the

1892
01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:02.279
time i'm with my wife. I just want to talk

1893
01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:06.079
to her. That's outside of specially politics, but I'm just

1894
01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:10.279
there to listen. Yeah, so I'm not here for the

1895
01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:14.479
great questions of like, what's your perspective on this? I

1896
01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:17.279
want to know what do you think is really happened?

1897
01:49:17.279 --> 01:49:20.479
And that's why I think podcasting is incredible with what

1898
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:22.920
we've been able to do, which is sit down with

1899
01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:27.279
people who otherwise may have a different opinion and just

1900
01:49:27.359 --> 01:49:30.039
have a conversation. And at the end of the conversation,

1901
01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:32.920
it's not this big debate where we hate each other's

1902
01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:36.640
guts and then we never talk to each other. It's well,

1903
01:49:36.680 --> 01:49:38.880
I'm glad I got your perspective on that. It might

1904
01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:41.000
not have changed my opinion on it, but at least

1905
01:49:41.079 --> 01:49:42.880
now I know where you're coming from, so that when

1906
01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:46.840
you do make a statement in the future, I understand

1907
01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:50.920
it's through this worldview and you're emotional and you have

1908
01:49:50.960 --> 01:49:53.199
an emotional response to it, and I can be down

1909
01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:56.239
for that. I can get behind an emotional response to things,

1910
01:49:57.159 --> 01:49:59.680
understanding that's probably not the truth, but it is the

1911
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:02.199
truth than how you feel about what's.

1912
01:50:02.000 --> 01:50:03.840
Going on right right.

1913
01:50:04.199 --> 01:50:06.560
I'm not here to change your mind. I'm really not.

1914
01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:09.800
I'm here to give you facts, to give you the

1915
01:50:10.119 --> 01:50:14.000
information as I see it, and hopefully you'll understand what's

1916
01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:17.520
really working, what's really going on. But to change your opinion,

1917
01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:21.119
I don't care. I don't care if you think, you know,

1918
01:50:22.239 --> 01:50:25.239
we should be supporting Ukraine or if Russia was right

1919
01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:28.279
to get into Ukraine. I really don't care. That's for

1920
01:50:28.359 --> 01:50:31.640
the that's for Putin and Zelensky to worry about. What

1921
01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:35.079
I care about is what are what are you thinking

1922
01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:37.239
on a personal level, how are you feeling, how's your

1923
01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:41.840
family doing? Are you okay in this economy? Is what's

1924
01:50:41.880 --> 01:50:44.079
going on in this world really benefiting you? Or do

1925
01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:46.359
you think we should have, we should make some changes

1926
01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:50.039
in this country. That's what I think the conversation should be.

1927
01:50:50.880 --> 01:50:52.760
So if I talk to somebody who's a a Kamala

1928
01:50:52.840 --> 01:50:55.880
Harris supporter, and maybe I'm not a Kamala Harris supporter,

1929
01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:58.239
and they say, I really think she would be great

1930
01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:01.680
for this country because there's a bridge there that she

1931
01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:03.840
would you know, there's a gap there that she would

1932
01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:08.119
bridge into another administration. And I think that. You know,

1933
01:51:08.239 --> 01:51:11.359
she's very calm, cool and collected in her responses, and

1934
01:51:11.399 --> 01:51:13.800
I think that's good for the country. I go, Okay,

1935
01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:16.359
I can get behind that. You didn't change my opinion

1936
01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:18.760
on her, but at least now I know where you're

1937
01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:21.039
coming from and we can have a conversation about that.

1938
01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:24.560
I can do that for Trump if you think, well,

1939
01:51:24.760 --> 01:51:27.520
I think Trump draining the swamp in DC and helping

1940
01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:29.520
out the that's going to help the economy and it's

1941
01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:31.000
going to be better for me and my family, and

1942
01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:31.760
that's why I'm going to.

1943
01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:32.239
Vote for him.

1944
01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:35.600
I can go, I get that, I understand that it's

1945
01:51:35.680 --> 01:51:39.119
not about all these other initiatives that are going on.

1946
01:51:39.600 --> 01:51:42.439
You're thinking about yourself personally, and I can get behind that.

1947
01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:46.920
Well, yeah, but yet any you know, everybody likes to

1948
01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.920
judge you based on making a decision, make a decision

1949
01:51:51.960 --> 01:51:55.199
based on how you're feeling or what you're going through,

1950
01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:58.520
Like using economy as example. Maybe they feel what if

1951
01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:03.439
for Trump would move their life because of the you know,

1952
01:52:03.439 --> 01:52:07.000
improving the economy, and then right away you're a Trumpster

1953
01:52:07.199 --> 01:52:10.359
or you're a far right fascist or you know. It's

1954
01:52:10.439 --> 01:52:13.520
ridiculous and that that's the issue we have with social media. Look,

1955
01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:15.319
that is not the platform to have a debate. Everyone

1956
01:52:15.359 --> 01:52:18.399
always says, oh, we can't have we can't have real

1957
01:52:18.439 --> 01:52:21.359
debates and discussion. Look, in less than three hundred words,

1958
01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:23.039
you can't make a point. There's just no way.

1959
01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:25.560
You absolutely cannot have a debate. I would have known

1960
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:27.520
with people who go, oh, we can't have a debate

1961
01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:31.159
here on Twitter, you absolutely can't. No, you can't half

1962
01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:33.680
the time because I can't tell sarcasm. And I'm a

1963
01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:37.039
sarcasm guy. If you know me personally, half of like

1964
01:52:37.159 --> 01:52:39.359
ninety percent of my conversation is going to be sarcasm.

1965
01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:41.359
That does not come through on Twitter.

1966
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:44.800
Let me tell you it doesn't. Well. And the problem

1967
01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:47.000
with some since we talked about podcasting, for example, The

1968
01:52:47.039 --> 01:52:49.640
problem with some personalities, especially in the news and political

1969
01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:53.800
side of things, is they're too evangelical about their messaging.

1970
01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:56.119
You know, I'll just use you know, you said Ben

1971
01:52:56.159 --> 01:52:58.439
Shapiro earlier. We don't want to be like him because

1972
01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:00.600
you know, first off, I'm not going to it's not

1973
01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:02.840
my goal. But I'll use like a damn boung Gino

1974
01:53:02.840 --> 01:53:05.479
as an example too. I listen to them every once

1975
01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:07.880
in a while, and every time I do, it's like, man,

1976
01:53:09.079 --> 01:53:14.159
it's it's almost like hearing a preacher, you know, yeah,

1977
01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:16.760
up on their platform, just talking to their flock, and

1978
01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:20.399
it's like he's a smart guy. But sometimes, like, you know,

1979
01:53:21.239 --> 01:53:23.199
that's enough. I get it, Okay, I got my thirst

1980
01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:24.960
in fifteen thirty minutes, a's we want to the next

1981
01:53:25.159 --> 01:53:29.439
and I just I just think that it gets to

1982
01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:30.000
be too much.

1983
01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:33.960
So in that capacity, yeah, the interesting things to me

1984
01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:38.000
in that capacity is when someone like that says something

1985
01:53:38.039 --> 01:53:42.600
that goes against what I would consider their audience or

1986
01:53:42.600 --> 01:53:45.199
their base would say. So the interesting thing to me

1987
01:53:46.239 --> 01:53:51.199
is when a Dan Bondino or a Ben Shapiro actually

1988
01:53:51.239 --> 01:53:55.760
goes against a right wing talking point and says, oh,

1989
01:53:55.800 --> 01:53:59.560
I see all of this commentary online. But actually, this

1990
01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:03.199
is what's happening. I think they're actually being honest at

1991
01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:06.239
that point. They're not being honest when they're just regurgitating,

1992
01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:10.079
you know, talking points, which most of them actually do.

1993
01:54:10.159 --> 01:54:13.239
It's just a bunch of talking points. Listen. I'm an

1994
01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:17.079
independent podcast. No, I have no producer that writes up

1995
01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:19.600
what I'm gonna say and says, Okay, this is the

1996
01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:21.479
script you're going to follow, say this, this, and this.

1997
01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:24.199
You can't say that because that's gonna not get our

1998
01:54:24.239 --> 01:54:29.159
audience revolved. Those Ben Shapiro types and then Rachel Maddow

1999
01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:32.119
on the left and all of those, they have producers

2000
01:54:32.199 --> 01:54:34.439
telling them you can't say that. You have to say this.

2001
01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:37.840
I know this isn't what you mean, but you can't

2002
01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:40.800
say it. I know this is actually how you feel,

2003
01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:43.800
but you're gonna have to say something else. And I

2004
01:54:43.840 --> 01:54:48.840
got about five more minutes. But I do think we've

2005
01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:52.479
You've got to first understand where these people are coming from.

2006
01:54:52.960 --> 01:54:56.079
And I do appreciate these right wing commentators and the

2007
01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:59.199
left wing commentators because at least you know where they stand.

2008
01:55:00.399 --> 01:55:03.600
So when they're saying a bunch of things that you

2009
01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:06.439
agree with, now you know, okay, that's a right wing

2010
01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:08.760
kind of talking point, that's a left wing talk I.

2011
01:55:08.760 --> 01:55:10.479
Think they I think you know where they stand. But

2012
01:55:10.520 --> 01:55:12.520
I also think that they found the form of that

2013
01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:15.560
works to keep the money coming in as well. Yeah,

2014
01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:17.640
you know, and so they're just they're just keeping up

2015
01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:20.039
with what works to keep their pockets full. I mean,

2016
01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:23.520
let's be honest, I think that's oftentimes more the more

2017
01:55:23.600 --> 01:55:26.920
the point, unless you're a Joe Rogan who's popular and

2018
01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:29.439
doesn't give a shit and he just I mean, one

2019
01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:32.720
day he says one, how many of those are he doesn't? Right,

2020
01:55:32.760 --> 01:55:33.199
he's rare.

2021
01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:36.000
Yeah, he's a one of one. Yeah, you know, And

2022
01:55:36.039 --> 01:55:38.680
I think everybody who's who's trying I'm sorry, I won't

2023
01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:39.199
derail it.

2024
01:55:39.279 --> 01:55:42.800
Oh no, it's not that. I just because you and

2025
01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:44.439
I both got to go. I had, like, I literally

2026
01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:46.640
have to get and I have to drive another thirty

2027
01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:50.760
minutes to do my next thing. But before that, before that, uh,

2028
01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:53.800
let's do the Tulsi gabber thing. Because you're the intelligence guy,

2029
01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:56.640
this was your background. Why is she not a good

2030
01:55:56.680 --> 01:55:58.319
pick for the role.

2031
01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:02.279
Well, okay, first of us, zero at, let me let

2032
01:56:02.319 --> 01:56:04.600
me get into the mic. Here, can you fix this

2033
01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:11.720
audience if I'm screaming, she has zero intelligence experience. And

2034
01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:13.640
now you might say, and I've heard some people who

2035
01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:17.760
are very smart that I might even respect, who say,

2036
01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:20.279
that's the whole point. You get her in there to

2037
01:56:20.680 --> 01:56:25.000
shake things up, not the Director of National Intelligence. I

2038
01:56:25.000 --> 01:56:26.920
don't know if a lot of people understand the Director

2039
01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:31.000
of National Intelligence is over the CIA, that's over the DIA,

2040
01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:36.119
the Defense Intelligence Agency, that's over the Nssay, they control

2041
01:56:36.199 --> 01:56:41.239
the entire intelligence apparatus. She has zero experience. If you

2042
01:56:41.239 --> 01:56:44.960
want to put her as you in your cabinet, as

2043
01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:50.880
a VA representative of veterans assistance, or find something else

2044
01:56:51.079 --> 01:56:56.439
where she's involved in a military capacity or a veteran capacity.

2045
01:56:56.680 --> 01:56:59.520
I have no problems with Tulsi Gabbert. I really don't.

2046
01:56:59.720 --> 01:57:03.479
I think that all of this talk about her being

2047
01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:05.840
some Russian plant, you're gonna have to show me evidence.

2048
01:57:06.119 --> 01:57:08.520
No one's been able to quantify the evidence that she's

2049
01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:11.640
she's a Russian plant. Does she say some things that

2050
01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:15.760
are Russian talking points? Okay, well those are talking points

2051
01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:18.680
that a lot of people are saying, not just the Russians.

2052
01:57:19.760 --> 01:57:21.640
So those are that's part of her worldview, that's part

2053
01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:23.720
of her belief. She can say all of that stuff

2054
01:57:24.439 --> 01:57:28.800
from a military capacity. She's very capable. She's working civil

2055
01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:32.600
affairs in the in special operations in areas that I've

2056
01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:37.079
worked in. I told you this before. Her unit was

2057
01:57:37.079 --> 01:57:39.199
attached to my unit when I was deployed, you know,

2058
01:57:39.239 --> 01:57:42.239
so we deployed at the same time in different locations.

2059
01:57:42.279 --> 01:57:44.399
But she was a combat medic and I was an

2060
01:57:44.399 --> 01:57:50.000
intelligence professional. If she's the Director of National Intelligence, that's

2061
01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:54.399
a problem, I think now full disclosure. I've also reached

2062
01:57:54.399 --> 01:57:59.079
out to the Tulsi, to Tulsi's team, I would say

2063
01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:03.279
and asked, I don't expect any response, And if she's listening,

2064
01:58:03.479 --> 01:58:05.880
or anyone from her team or anyone that supports hers

2065
01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:07.920
listening to this, if you want to get me in

2066
01:58:07.960 --> 01:58:11.760
touch with her. I'm absolutely sincere when I say this.

2067
01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:19.640
I would be a conduit to her moving into the

2068
01:58:19.640 --> 01:58:23.800
Director of National Intelligence. I could consult on that, and

2069
01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:26.720
I would be perfectly willing to do that. And if

2070
01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:28.560
she took me up on that, I'd have a totally

2071
01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:32.479
different opinion, not because of personal reasons, but because she

2072
01:58:32.680 --> 01:58:36.560
understands that she doesn't have full on experience and she

2073
01:58:36.600 --> 01:58:38.600
wants to put a team around her that does have

2074
01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:42.720
the experience where her experience is in a leadership capacity.

2075
01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:45.600
So I'm here to lead my team. They can go

2076
01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:47.600
off and do great things. I'm just going to be

2077
01:58:47.640 --> 01:58:49.760
the figurehead in the face of this organization.

2078
01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:52.720
Do you think she'd be absolutely to do that to

2079
01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:56.640
I think I'm going to find out and to do

2080
01:58:56.680 --> 01:58:59.720
that right, to put people around her that do have

2081
01:58:59.720 --> 01:59:02.399
the experience to help her be the leader she should

2082
01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:03.439
be in that position.

2083
01:59:03.520 --> 01:59:05.840
So there, I would hope so, I would hope so.

2084
01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:10.720
But there's also something that is I'm trying to find

2085
01:59:10.760 --> 01:59:14.079
the right word here in enough time, there's something more

2086
01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:19.159
powerful than that experience and then be wanting to be

2087
01:59:19.199 --> 01:59:22.399
a leader, and that's vindictiveness. That's something as somebody who's

2088
01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:25.039
a New Orleans Saints fan from the New Orleans area,

2089
01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:29.439
we're very petty people. Uh So go look at the

2090
01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:32.319
years with Sean Payton and now how we feel about

2091
01:59:33.079 --> 01:59:36.479
I loved it watching it, actually, but we're very petty.

2092
01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:43.439
I hope that that powerful vindictiveness doesn't come through with her.

2093
01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:48.399
She's as a leader, she could be very good. Is

2094
01:59:48.439 --> 01:59:50.520
she going to put a good team around her? That's

2095
01:59:50.600 --> 01:59:52.960
my worry. That is My only worry it has nothing

2096
01:59:53.000 --> 01:59:56.000
to do with her as an individual. It does have

2097
01:59:56.079 --> 01:59:58.079
things to do with her experience, and that she doesn't

2098
01:59:58.079 --> 02:00:02.960
have the experience to control the entire higher intelligence apparatus

2099
02:00:03.079 --> 02:00:07.720
within this country. And if you think that the intelligence

2100
02:00:07.720 --> 02:00:10.479
community needs to be completely dismantled and that's going to

2101
02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:13.359
fix all the problems in America, I have. I've got

2102
02:00:13.399 --> 02:00:17.600
some ocean front property in Arizona that I'm just waiting

2103
02:00:17.600 --> 02:00:20.239
for you to purchase from me, because that is absolutely false.

2104
02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:22.279
I was gonna say, there's way too many moving pieces

2105
02:00:22.319 --> 02:00:27.680
for that to be Yes the solution, No way. Okay, Well,

2106
02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:30.800
those are all valid, especially from someone with the actual

2107
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experience as yourself. I like her. I didn't expect this

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to be her appointment, to be quite honest, I really

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didn't I when I heard when I heard about this,

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I was like, I okay, you know my reaction was like,

2111
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I good for her, but not what I expected.

2112
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Well, I have twenty plus years in the intelligence community. Yeah,

2113
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and I can't get into the office of the Director

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of National Intel.

2115
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It's crazy, right, I just did not expect for her

2116
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to be appointed in that position. You know something else,

2117
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Like you said, I would have. There's other things that, yeah,

2118
02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:08.279
that I could have seen her definitely stepping into and

2119
02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:13.079
doing an amazing job based on her actual experience, but intelligence.

2120
02:01:12.600 --> 02:01:14.399
You could have done health and human services as well.

2121
02:01:14.439 --> 02:01:17.239
I mean, yeah, she was a medic, a combat medic.

2122
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Basically in her capacity, she was a doctor. I can

2123
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say that wholeheartedly. She was a doctor. She could have

2124
02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:28.119
been great health and human services. We'll never know.

2125
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Well, like I'm hoping, she does what you say and

2126
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she puts a real team around her and she relies

2127
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on that team. And if you're listening, reach out. If

2128
02:01:41.319 --> 02:01:44.199
you move on and you're part of her team, I

2129
02:01:44.199 --> 02:01:45.520
hope we can still stay connected.

2130
02:01:46.239 --> 02:01:50.760
Oh absolutely, you'll be the first person that call right anyway,

2131
02:01:51.479 --> 02:01:53.840
I don't expect it, but you never know.

2132
02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:55.880
Man, you know what, I'll tell you what We'll make well.

2133
02:01:56.079 --> 02:01:57.680
I'll do my best to make sure she hears this.

2134
02:01:58.560 --> 02:02:03.000
Thank you however I can. Anyway, all right, we got

2135
02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.720
that out of the way, and I appreciate your take

2136
02:02:05.760 --> 02:02:09.800
on that and explaining everything's going on in Russia. And

2137
02:02:10.000 --> 02:02:12.239
you know, I know you you're gonna be back again

2138
02:02:12.439 --> 02:02:15.520
down the road, and you have to. I'm sure China

2139
02:02:15.600 --> 02:02:19.159
may be the next conversation. Let's hope not, but let

2140
02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:20.560
hope not too soon it will be.

2141
02:02:20.760 --> 02:02:23.159
My hope is not in the next year, but maybe,

2142
02:02:23.359 --> 02:02:25.640
uh maybe two years from now, that's the hope.

2143
02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:29.039
Yeah. Well, hey, thanks for coming on and taking time

2144
02:02:29.520 --> 02:02:32.960
and absolutely man, definitely want you back again again. I'll

2145
02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:35.960
always stay in touch with you. So again, appreciate you

2146
02:02:36.239 --> 02:02:40.399
clearing all that Russia stuff up. And hopefully people's minds

2147
02:02:40.399 --> 02:02:42.479
are at ease after they hear this. In turn, you know,

2148
02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:44.960
in regard to us not getting into a nuclear war

2149
02:02:45.760 --> 02:02:47.960
and now that we have an understanding like, hey, a

2150
02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:49.640
lot of us is posturing. He's just trying to look

2151
02:02:49.640 --> 02:02:51.560
good for his people, and you know, we know he

2152
02:02:51.600 --> 02:02:55.199
doesn't want that. And then as far as Tolsy goes,

2153
02:02:55.479 --> 02:02:57.880
great to hear from you because your perspective matters on that.

2154
02:02:57.920 --> 02:02:59.159
I mean, you, like I said, twenty years in the

2155
02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:01.920
intelligence community and for you and I were both kind

2156
02:03:01.960 --> 02:03:05.800
of like like her, but didn't expect that appointment. What's

2157
02:03:06.199 --> 02:03:10.199
that was? That was kind of like okay, sure, but yeah,

2158
02:03:10.319 --> 02:03:11.840
let me let you go, man, I know you gotta go.

2159
02:03:12.000 --> 02:03:16.199
I gotta go, all right, Thank you very much. Yeah,

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I have a good one.

2161
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Well, thank you everyone for hanging in there and taking

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02:03:25.600 --> 02:03:29.319
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