Oct. 19, 2024

43 - KERVIN AUCOIN - GEOPOLITICAL INTELLIGENCE EXPERT

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Kervin Aucoin joins me on the show. Kervin is a Geopolitical Intelligence expert. Kervin served in the U.S. Army, where he specialized in clandestine intelligence, working alongside Special Operations Forces. He spent most of his time in high-stakes regions which include Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Africa, and Poland. Kervin has dedicated his expertise to countering Russian disinformation and aggression. Kervin also has a vast knowledge of the delicate dynamics and conflict in the Middle East. His keen understanding of geopolitical trends and real-world intelligence operations continues to be an invaluable asset in the realm of security and global affairs.

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You are listening to a fonts media network, but.

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Like you just let me in my ways.

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Welcome home to the Blaze listeners. I'm excited to have Curvin. Sorry,

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I'm just gonna mispronounce it. Can you just pronounce it yourself?

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We keep going over that, Curvin O quick?

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All right, Curvin, Sorry to do that to you, but yeah.

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We could stick with first names. I'm good with that.

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Uh my my first my last name has gotten me

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in and out of trouble for for many years.

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So you and I were kind of introduced through John

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and another podcaster, and he's he's been around a while,

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but yeah, we got a little chat on next He's like, hey,

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you guys should actually get together and do an episode.

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So definitely wanted to thank him for that, and then

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I I started listening a little bit more to yours.

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Actually it was funny is I came across your podcast

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before that interaction on X and listen to you and

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your wife, and I thought it was interesting on how

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you're able to take so much information and kind of

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like just explain it in a way that people can grasp,

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you know, while not trying to be too over the

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top or you seem to be in the middle on

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most things. I noticed. You know, I'm not going to

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ask your political leaning so much. If you want to

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give it to me, great, But I do like I

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try to take a neutral position to really just explain

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what's going on then you know, letting people form their

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own opinions. So I really liked that. I thought that

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was cool because there's very few of those type of shows.

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I tried doing that in the beginning, but it got

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harder as time went on for me.

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Anyway, Well, the world makes it harder right to kind

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of try to stay neutral. But first of all, I

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want to say thank you for that, because that's the

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hope that I have that comes through and I get

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back last on both sides of the political isles. I'm

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not a very political person. I used to be when

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I was younger, and then I got disillusion to it,

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became very a political and started to do this sort

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of neutral thing that you're talking about, where something happens

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right in a certain side. I know, we'll get into

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Israel and the Middle East and what's going on there,

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and that's really highlighted this kind of divisiveness. Right, So

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if somebody says something about Israel in a positive aspect,

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and I push back in a negative not really a

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negative aspect, but just saying, well, to understand what the

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people in Gods or the people in Lebanon are going

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through right now. You know, they'll say, oh, you're you know,

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a left wing Hamas supporter, and then the same thing

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for Palestinian supporters. I will push back and say, well,

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Israel's the only Jewish nation, Jewish state, surrounded by Arab

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states that have been calling for the entire destruction of

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the Jewish people. I think they have a right to

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defend themselves, and so what they're doing, maybe they're carrying

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it out in the wrong way, but they have a

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right to do what they're doing. And then I get,

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you know, pushed back on on both sides of that.

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It's tough.

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Well, that's that's that's a particular topic. We're too hard

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to be neutral because there's such and we're talking about

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a land with so much history, I mean history in

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regard to you know, everybody argues that it's their land

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number one, no matter how far back to go, And

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a lot of people dismissed the fact that there were

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multiple people's displaced in that land and dispersed throughout the

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world and forced to do so, and then coming back

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to try to claim it again, and then it's there's

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just so much going on. Then from what I understand,

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I'm not and you can definitely correct me on this

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is it seems like a lot of it outside of

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the land is really centered around a faith or religious belief,

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and in the in the issue that I see is

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it's such a closely related belief, but there's always those

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little differences that just for some reason just lead to

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so much bloodshed and it almost makes you scratch or

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hit us and like, why can't they just shake hands

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and really get along? But I think it goes beyond that.

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It's really about the claim to the land and the

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fact that hey, you killed my ancestor, my grandfather, whatever,

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and then the revenge cycle just began and just never

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ended and kept going and going and going. And I

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might be slightly off on that, but.

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Now you're you're absolutely right.

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And it's and also we're talking about history, right, We're

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talking about ancient history, and so what ancient history do

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you actually believe? Because there is so much we know

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so little about our ancestors and the ancestral history. So

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do you trust biblical history? You know where Abraham started

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all of this. You know, he came from Er, which

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is a city south of Baghdad. You know, I deployed

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to Baghdad. If you take a plane and fly a

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mission around that area, you will see Er, one of

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the original settlements in the area. You and Abraham was

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supposed to have walked from there and entered what was then.

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You know, the people not even called the Jewish people

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of that time, but the tribes of Judah entered into

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Israel and they were told that God gave them this land.

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We're talking thousands of years ago and then more recently.

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And I say more recently, but we're still talking about

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a thousand years ago to fifteen hundred years ago. You've

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got a man in Mohammad who was a was a

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prophet or claimed to be a prophet, depending on how

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you and I always say it's depending on how you

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interpret the history. So he claimed to be a prophet,

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and by force he came in and claimed these lands

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for his own people. It's the people, the people of

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the Arab lands, and he claimed these lands. And so

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what you know, when people say, well, this is the

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land of the Palestinians or this is the land of

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the Israelis. How far are we going to go back?

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Right?

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That's always been kind of my take and stance on that.

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And I'll throw I'll throw them out there, and it says,

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you know, and I don't mind bringing up certain other

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personalities and podcasters only because some of these guys are

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very public and they're very openated. But you know, you

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take Dave Smith for example, who I do listen to

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and I respect because he's a pretty smart, intelligent person.

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He does read books, which is great, but it's a

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pretty hard line about you know, it's not Israel's land

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never you know, they were not there, and you know

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it was really Palestinian land, and you can't just drive

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them out and claim that you now have claimed to

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this land. And I get it, but I think I

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think even with him, and the problem with someone like

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Dave is he's super intelligent, but he'll never stop arguing

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until he feels he's right or he's bored of the

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conversation literally, and so he can go forever trying to

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argue that point. But I think when he makes a point,

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he deliberately omits that it was a tribal land that

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did belong to the then Jewish people at the time

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who were displaced. And you can say, hey, the land

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was conquered. Great, if we use that argument, then conquerors

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own and rule that land, just as we did in

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America here with the Native Americans, you know. And unfortunately,

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every country in the world has been developed and made

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and borders have been set based on being conquered. That

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that was just a bloody history of humanity, and that

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is exactly what happens, is just how the world was shaped, unfortunately.

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And the thing with the Jewish people from what I understand,

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from what I researched, and like again you can correct me,

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is they were displaced back then, you know, I mean,

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come on, the Ottoman Empire came in. They ruled most

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of the world back then, and they helped drive the

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Jews out. And at the time, the Palestines before they're

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considered Palestine, sided with the Ottoman Empire so that they

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can remain in the land and live in the land

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and support the Ottoman Empire. What do you think the

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native tribal Jewish people were going to do? Just forget

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about it, and they never did. And so there's that

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part of that history that nobody really talks about. Yeah.

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I mean, look, the Jewish people have been conquered their

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entire lifetime. Yes, right, the Egyptians brought them in, and

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we're learning more about that history because there was a

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brief time where historians thought, well, no, that wasn't Jewish

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people that the Egyptians brought in to Egypt to work

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and do certain things. And now we're finding out through

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certain tablets that have been and scrolls that have been found,

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that the words that they were using for the people

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that they brought in were the same words that were

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used for Jewish people throughout throughout history. And listen, the Romans.

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You know the Jewish people. Yes, it's a very tribal religion,

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but the tribes were there in Israel when Rome had

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their empire and they taxed the Jewish people, and it's

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written record. I mean, you can debate history in ancient history,

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but we have written record of the Jewish people living

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on that land being controlled by the Romans. Like you said,

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you're exactly right. The Ottoman Empire came in, they laid

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waste to that land. People had to either leave or surrender.

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Jewish people said they would not surrender. They left, and

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the Palestinian what are now the Palestinians or where the

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Palestinians then sort of broke her to deal and said,

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if we can just get this sort of land carved

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out right here, there's not really much in it, we'll

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stay here and we'll abide by your rules, which is

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really what the Jewish people said to the Romans. We'll

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abide by your rules, pay your taxes, and then you know,

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that'll be it. Then the Roman Empire started to put

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the fist down on the Jewish people. They had uprisings

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in the early first century, went to war with the Romans,

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and the Romans thought they could defeat them very easily,

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and the Israelis were able to push back on them. Now,

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the Palestinians didn't have to do that because they just understood, Hey,

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the Ottomans are going to let us live here and

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we're going to remain here. Now, if you want to

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go more recent history, and we talk about, you know,

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after World War two and the Holocaust, which was such

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a tragedy, and I want to put that out from

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the very beginning. What happened in the Holocaust and what

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is factually documented that US and British soldiers found as

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they got into the concentration camps was absolutely horrific, and

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millions of people died in World War Two. And so

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they understood that the Jewish people needed, they needed a place.

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They didn't want to go back to Europe. They didn't

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want to go back to their homes because there was

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still a large part of society that didn't want them there.

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You know, they were they were indoctrinated to hate these

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people for their religion, for where they came from. And

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so nations got together and decided, you know, apart from

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everyone else, right, they just said, hey, let's put these

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people back into what we think is the land that

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they deserve. They were put in that land, and immediately

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the Arab nations went to war with Israel because they

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didn't want the Jewish people there. And that I don't

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think that's something that gets highlighted a lot, especially among

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like pro Palestinian crowd, is that the Jewish people went

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there and they said, hey, we're going to live in

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this land, and we're just this is where we're going

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to be settled. They put us here, they were invaded.

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They went to war with places like Egypt and Lebanon

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and Syria, and they won those wars. And when you

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went to war, you get to decide what you're going

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to do, so they kept that land. Then the Palestinian

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question came up, what are we going to do with

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all these Palestinians because they don't want to be ruled

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by the Jewish people, so they need.

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Their own rule, their Arab rule.

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So the Palestinian people got their own government up, their

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own military. A two state solution was brought up. The

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Israelis agreed to the two state solution. The Palestinians and

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the other Arab nations said no, we want all of

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that land because it's our land. And so another war

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kicked off, and so we just have a cycle of wars.

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And it's not just that one side won't agree with

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the other side, it's the israel The Israelis were put there,

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where do you want them to go? The Palestinians say,

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we've been here, where are you going to put us?

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And so now we have a land of just people

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going where are you going to put us? And I

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think if you just took the people and put them

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together and ask them, you know, do a little to

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do a meeting with everybody and say, hey, what do

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you guys think we'd probably find a solution. Our problem

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is we have governments who just don't like each other

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and don't care about the people who want to go

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to war, and they want to put down their fist

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and make this a complete victory for one side or another.

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Israel and Hamas. Right, Israel now has a choice, right

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because they just killed Yahya Sina Sinhwar. He's the leader

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of Hamas. Hamas is in shambles. There is a chance

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if you're a if you're part of the ceasefire, you're

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pro ceasefire in Palestine, that you can have a ceasefire.

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And Hamas is completely dismantled right now. That's something a

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lot of people said would never happen. And they're completely dismantled.

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And the Israelis could say, okay, let's do the sea.

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Spire Net Yahoo has just said if you release all

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the hostages, release all your arms, everything will be fine

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and we'll have a ceasefire. And the Hamas is saying,

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we don't trust you, we don't trust the Israel, we

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don't trust Israel. We don't trust the Jews, and they don't.

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You know, there's the history of not trusting the Israelis

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for right reasons. You know, they say one thing, some

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nen Yahoo especially says one thing and does another and

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and so Israel has a choice do they do. Do

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they try to broker that deal or do they do

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the knockout punch and say we'd because they've said their

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whole goal is the annihilation of Hamas, and so unless

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Hamas is completely annihilated, every single member is gone, they're

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not going to agree to a peace deal which is

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separate from a ceasefire, you know, a full peace deal

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that kind of sets boundaries. So that that's where we

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stand right now. And it's just god be a never

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ending cycle.

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It's the truth of It's kind of an unfortunate truth

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of the situation because the classic example of how the

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people suffer because governments disagree. You know, the problem is

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everybody in the world just wants to live, like literally live,

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you know, food, shelter, enjoy their life, and governments disagree

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and they pull everybody in with them. I mean, why

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can't we just put the leaders of every government in

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the ring and have them just find it out and

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then whoever walks out watch out right. I mean, it's ridiculous.

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I was going to go back to that two state

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solution though. That does come up a lot, and nobody

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can understand why it's unacceptable, and it's always put on

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the Palestinians. Really lately Hamas, who has the governing body

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so to speak, of the Palestinians, even though unofficial.

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So Egypt has denied a two state solution up until recently.

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just to argue the other side, that that agreement originally

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when it was put together or that proposal was kind

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of not equal to where I think it was sixty

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percent of the land or maybe more. I might be

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off on that. I think it was at least sixty

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percent really did go to the Jewish people or Israel

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as it is today, and less of it went to

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the Palestinian side. And also you know, cut off routes

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to you know, the access to the ports and everything

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as well. Yeah, and there's that side, and I can

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see that, but at the same time, you're correct, and

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we're like, yeah, no, it's all or nothing, you know,

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is their response, which is not really negotiating, you know,

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a deal, and I'm sure that they could have came

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to an agreement. But do you know, do you happen

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to know what? Because well I was reading your back

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when you sent me you were you were in intelligence

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right in the army. Is that correct? Yep? And so

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being that that was your career what you did, and

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you were deployed and you worked with uh special operations,

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is that also correct?

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Yes?

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Okay, So what what from your experience just being in

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the area and dealing with all this and just analyzing everything,

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and I think today you still are in intelligence correct,

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and in your own business.

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So yeah, my my company, Open Analytics is a private

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intelligence company that provides intelligence to the everyday consumer as

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opposed to your C suite and Fortune five hundred companies.

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So I've kind of cheapened, not say cheap, and I've

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lessened the price of intelligence for people. It's not cheapening

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this way to tell, it's more accessible. Yeah exactly.

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Yeah, Well, you know, being that's what you do, why why,

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in your opinion, does I don't know if it's all

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the person people or just just the governing bodies of

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the time, why are they denying any kind of deal

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when it could have been done. Yeah, it's and now

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it seems too far away for some reason. But at

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the time I think it could have been done.

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I think there was a chance. Even so before like

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October seventh of twenty twenty three changed the entire landscape

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of the Middle East. Before that, I think there could

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have been a two state solution. But there's another thing

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that I say, and then I'll answer that question. We're

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trying to fix Middle Eastern problems with Western solutions and you.

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Can't do that.

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That's exactly right.

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Yeah, we our ideals are very different from their ideals,

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and no one is right or wrong in that. It's

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just a certain culture. And and so I'm also an

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Arabic linguist, or was an Arabic linguist. I'd have to

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I'd have to think for a second to see how

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my language is now, but I haven't used it in

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quite a while. And with that, so I was at

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the Defense Language Institute learning Arabic. With that, I had

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to learn the the Arab culture and the religion of Islam,

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And I learned a lot about the Arab people and

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and the things that So before Islam even came about

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the Arab people were some of the smartest individuals in

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the world. They created mathematics and algebra, things of you know, poetry.

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Some of the great poems are great Arab poems, and

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so we have that in history of these great minds

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that focused a lot on this. And then not to

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disparage religion, and I don't do that. Every religion, I

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think has its pros and cons But as the religion

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of Islam you started to become widespread in the region,

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the leaders in that timeframe started to crack down on

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more education. And it's it's sort of like when you

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think of certain aspects of Christianity in history, where the

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Enlightenment period was kind of they wanted to crack down

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on it because the more you learn about the world

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and history and all of this stuff, it's possible that

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you're going to call out the religious leaders for certain

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things that they're saying that just don't make sense. And

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that happened and they lost a lot of their history

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and a lot of their education because of this. And

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so starting there, getting into right now, there is a

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trust issue between first of all the Arab community and

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the WA but more pervasively the Arab community and Jews.

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And I saw that during my education for Arabic. You know,

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we'd have to watch news every day in Arabic because

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you want to immerse yourself in the culture and kind

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of understand these level three four five dialogues that are

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going on. And so you watch a lot of even

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Al Jazeera in Arabic, not the English language version, but

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the Arabic, the Arab version, or a more conservative, i

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would say, or far right kind of Arab TV station

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like Memory Memory TV. It's sort of a far right.

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It closely aligns with like RT Sputnik TV. And I

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remember a moment where Egypt there was an earthquake in

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Egypt and I'm watching I can't remember if it was

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Al Jazeera or another news organization, but the headline that

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they kept going with that was that it was the Jews.

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The Jews created this earthquake to destroy parts of Egypt.

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And so this is major mainstream news in Arab countries

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that are being that's what's being promoted, and that's what

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you know, kids are seeing and families are seeing. And

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there's a history of that and a history of not trusting,

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not trusting Jewish people, not trusting America because the United

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States has done some terrible things to Arab communities, especially

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in the Middle East. Not going to deny that, and

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so we have a trust issue here.

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I think we can.

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Yeah. I always say, you know, I know what I

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did as far as in my time in uniform and

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my time working in the Middle East, and I had

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a lot of issues with what some other people were

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doing to Arab people just because they were Arab. You know,

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everybody's a terrorist. We had people coming in saying walking

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while Arab, and that's why we picked them up. And

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I was a human collector. I'm an intelligence analyst, and

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they said I was like, so why'd you get this guy?

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And he was like, he's Arab, He's got to be

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a terrorist. And it's like, no, that's that's not the

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right answer. Yeah, no, it wasn't everywhere, but these pockets, right,

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And so that's where the trust issue comes in.

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And it's so bad that so if you fly.

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Into Israel and let's say someone like myself, I have

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visas and stamps from countries like the uae, Iraq, Kuwait,

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all the Arab countries I go into Israel, they will

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first of all, tell me do you have another passport

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because they don't want to stamp that passport because if

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an Israeli stamp is on that passport, you're not allowed

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in another Arab country with that passport, and they will

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deny you.

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Not allowed in any of them.

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As far as I know now, the Gulf States and

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then Saudi Arabia might be a little bit different. But

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go into a place like Kuwait or Iran, God forbid,

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at this point, you know you'd be you'd be rolled

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up and questioned and interrogated. That's not true for for

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Israel if you go in now. Israel does so something

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we don't do in the US because it's it's probably

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rightfully considered racist or you know, sexist or whatever. Is

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We don't target individuals based on the way that they look.

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The Israelis do. They will.

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They're heavily profiling individuals.

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Yes, they so they profile they're with in the UK

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is CCTV or surveillance cameras and stuff. They are heavily

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watching people that they know and listen. They're in the

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culture all the time. So they see a person and

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they can tell you this person's from Iraq, this person's

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from Iran or Syria, and and they're they're targeting and

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profiling these people based just off of what they love,

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and then they go and question them, and then further

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dialogue happens whether they'll release them and send them along

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on their way or they'll send them to secondary questioning.

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So there's a difference there. I would say Israelis really

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don't trust the Arab community, really, but there's a little

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more trust to that. And for all the conversation about

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Hamas controlling Gaza and that's the government and the military

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wing of Gaza in Palestine, Israel actually supports a lot

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of the infrastructure in Gaza. That also causes problems because

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if you have a trust issue, every rolling blackout is

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Israel's fault, Every collapsed building is Israel's fault. The fact

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that no one can work their way up in life

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and that they're poor, that's Israel's fault. And then on

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the Israeli side, every time there's an Arab strike, that's

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the fault to the Arab community. And so that's why

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I go back to fixing Middle Eastern problems with Western solutions.

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We would see that and go, we'll just stop it, right,

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you're human, like have a conversation with each other, and

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they would go no, because when Abraham did this, it

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started a process, a historical process that got us to

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where we are today. And we cannot stop that.

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Yeah, we cannot forget it, and we're not going to

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let it stand. And the whole thing. There's a lot

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I want to go back to in that. But when

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you were when you were talking about how Israel actually

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supported a lot of the infrastructure in Gaza, You're right.

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I don't think people realize that, like power, water, and

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they would always point the Hamas, I believe, would always

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point the finger, Oh, look, you know we don't have

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water because they're shutting it off on us, or you know, they're,

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like you said, killing our electricity. Maybe something that's true.

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It could be what they were using try to control

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and you know, stifle whatever was going on with Hamas

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and what they were trying to do in terms of

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trying to attack Israel. But I'm not gonna I'm not

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I can't sit here and except that Israel is innocent

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in all of us, I'm not saying that's what you're

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saying at all. By the way, I'm just making a statement.

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I don't I don't believe they're innocent in all of

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this at all either. And I understand you know, the

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long history and how they were mad as a people

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being driven out of land and you know, dispersed, and

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then you know they were they were persecuted by the

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Pagrums years years ago and being hunted and literally killed

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on the street, like basically like you said with profiling,

470
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:43.279
they would see, uh, a Jewish person and literally hang them,

471
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:47.359
hang them in the street, you know, and uh, they've

472
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.920
they've gone through a lot, but I think a lot

473
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.400
of everyone in the Middle East has has gone through

474
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.279
so much because it's like it's just it's just constantly

475
00:26:55.400 --> 00:27:00.640
just a crazy circular vehicle of of of seems like

476
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.720
just hatred, to be quite honest. And we don't understand

477
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:05.440
it though, like you said, as Westerners, we can't get

478
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:07.920
her head around why like why can't we move past?

479
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.400
Why can't we why can't we get around I think

480
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.519
I think the biggest thing that needs to be defined though,

481
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:16.279
because everybody seems to, at least the western side of

482
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:21.240
the world, seems to equate terrorism with Islam. I would

483
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.920
love to know if it can truly be explained the

484
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:28.359
difference between Muslims, you know, people of the Islamic faith

485
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.440
because I'm kind of confused in where I see, you know,

486
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.640
as a Westerner that you know, a woman can't show

487
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.279
herself be full. They closed the whole deal stone of death.

488
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.599
Then you see other Muslims where they're just on Instagram

489
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.319
and you know, and whatnot, and just yeah, I'm confused.

490
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:46.519
It's like, wait a minute, which is it, do you so?

491
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:47.920
Terrorism? Yeah?

492
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.880
So, terrorism, I would say, first of all, is not

493
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:54.880
just It's not a Muslim issue or an Arab issue. Right,

494
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:58.920
We've got Eastern European and terrorists. We've got homegrown terrorists

495
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.440
in our own country on on the right and the left,

496
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.319
so far right and far left, And so I would

497
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:12.160
break it down for a Western audience much like evangelicalism

498
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:16.720
in the United States. What I mean there is you see,

499
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.960
so you go if you go to let's say you're

500
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.039
in Seattle, Washington, and you go to a church in Seattle, Washington,

501
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:27.720
and you're probably gonna see flip flop shorts, women, maybe

502
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:34.039
not dressed provocatively, but regular, normal, normal dress. Right, if

503
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.920
you go to maybe a evangelical church in Missouri or

504
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.000
where I'm originally from in Louisiana and especially in the

505
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:48.400
northern Louisiana area, you may see a more a church

506
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:53.559
that's more aligned with purity laws. Pentecostal. You'll see dresses.

507
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.559
Women can only wear dresses. Men have to wear this

508
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.119
this certain thing. So and so that's an stream view

509
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:05.079
of a particular religion, and I think that's what's pervasive

510
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.960
in the Muslim religion, the religion of Islam. So when

511
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:13.039
people say, well, Islam is a peaceful religion, and for

512
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:16.000
the most part it is, did it always start that way?

513
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.039
If you read the history of Muhammad, it did not.

514
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.599
I mean he was he was basically a war lord.

515
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.839
I'll get a lot of flag from the Arab community

516
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.599
for that because he's the prophet Mohammad, you know, peace

517
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:32.599
be upon him, But he really was. He decided at

518
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:34.279
a very early age that he was going to take

519
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.480
over and create this religion, become the prophet, and he

520
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:44.400
went to war with other nations in order to spread Islam.

521
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.559
And the whole point was in the whole point of jihad,

522
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.960
if you hear jihad, which is just holy war, is

523
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:54.440
that Islam is the only religion. So from an extremist

524
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.119
point of view, Islam is the only religion that should

525
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:01.440
be allowed and in if that's true, then we have

526
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.759
to fight in order to make Islam the only And

527
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:09.799
that's that's why the Muslim you know, Islam very early

528
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.440
they fought the Spaniards who were Catholics. They took over Constantinople,

529
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:19.440
made it Istanbul. So they conquered a lot of the area,

530
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:24.680
a lot of that region in order to spread the religion.

531
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.920
And so that's part of it. Especially so if you're

532
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:33.200
talking about the US, the United States, we talk a lot,

533
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.400
especially right now, because you can't talk about Donald Trump

534
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:42.359
and Kamala Harris without talking about being far left woke

535
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:46.440
person or a far right Christian nationalist. And people are

536
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.039
very scared about Christian nationalists because they are viewing that

537
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:57.640
in some points rightfully so as what's happening in Islam. Right, So,

538
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:01.319
there is a far right sect of is that's isis,

539
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:05.680
that's al Kaied, the that's that's Hamas and Isbellah and

540
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.680
the IRGC, which is the umbrella, that's the peak to

541
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:13.920
the umbrella of all of this. And so it is

542
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.920
a select group of extremists that are making the most

543
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:23.200
amount of noise. So I wouldn't say, especially in the

544
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:28.720
United States. And I've met tons of Muslim people within

545
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:33.079
the United States, and no one that I know is

546
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:37.039
an extremist there. And that's usually true because they kind

547
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.400
of try to hide, hide in plane site and they

548
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.640
probably would not interact with me on most occasions. But

549
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:47.039
for the most part, every Muslim I meet is just

550
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.759
a man, woman, or a child trying to make it

551
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.880
in America. And so the their view is, yeah, I'm

552
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.119
a Muslim, but I am also an American and I'm

553
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.319
here to be a part of this community.

554
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.240
Are you. I think I think most people have a

555
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:08.880
problem separating the fact that they're they're extremes. And you know,

556
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.039
we can even just take take the Christian Bible. You'll

557
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:16.119
have you'll have You'll have some denominations of Christianity or

558
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.160
or believers for example, that just believe the Old Testament,

559
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.519
you know, I for and eye that whole bit. Yeah,

560
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.599
and then there's the New Testament believers that are like, hey,

561
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:26.319
you know, that was the past, that was a history

562
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.599
that has written. Those are the lass set. But the

563
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.519
world changes and here we are now, and this is

564
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.640
how we have to move forward as a people. And

565
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.119
we're nicer and we're forgiving, right, I think that's the

566
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.519
same thing with with Islam. I personally need to do

567
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.559
more research on it, and I've always wanted to just

568
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.359
I just don't have the time right now, but I

569
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.119
really need to dive into it because I want to

570
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.440
understand why, why, there's why, there's just you know, all

571
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.880
we see is the bat and right away it's like

572
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.759
we don't need that here regardless. But then you know,

573
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.400
like I've met many people who are Muslim and it's

574
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.400
like they don't live that way, that's not their believe

575
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.680
Are they reading from the same book? That's my question,

576
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.480
you know, like I don't know, I don't know.

577
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.480
They are reading. So they're reading from the same book, right,

578
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:12.039
the Qoran. But it's all about interpretation. Yeah, and look,

579
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:16.400
Christians read, we're reading from the same Bibles. We because listen,

580
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.079
we're in the West. It's the majority Christian reading from

581
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:24.319
the same Bible. Why do we have so many different

582
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:31.160
sects of Christianity because we've all interpreted different ways. You know,

583
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.599
the best way to interpret it is to go so

584
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.640
there are two ways, not two ways. You've got a

585
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.680
couple two things together. When you're reading ancient texts, especially

586
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.480
like the Bible, and the Qoran. First, you've got to

587
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.839
read it in its own language, and that's very difficult.

588
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.839
Some of the languages like Aramaic, not many people can

589
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.200
can read that. There's very few studiers of Aramic or

590
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:58.480
Greek or or you know, the ancient Hebrew. So you've

591
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.920
first got to read it in the langue which of

592
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.119
that it was written in. But it's not just that,

593
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.279
you've also got to understand the time that it was

594
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:12.719
written in. So when was this written and why was

595
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.239
it written at that point. If you don't understand that,

596
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.159
you can read a text out of context and say, oh,

597
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.679
that's that's really what they mean, and then you understand time.

598
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:24.840
Period is the big context issue though, right.

599
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.320
Yeah, and but we go back to we don't we've

600
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.320
lost so much of our history over time. Yes, we have,

601
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.440
you know, not to bring a Kamala Harris line in,

602
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.440
but the passage of time is the passage of time.

603
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:42.119
Every year that we are removed from those historical points,

604
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.400
we we lose what actually happens, so we lose context

605
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.320
of the text that we are reading, you know. It's

606
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.800
it's why stoicism right now is so pervasive, is because

607
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:59.719
especially among young men, because I think that, Okay, it's

608
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.480
it's language. It's written in a language that some people

609
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:07.719
can can be trained on and understand and read and

610
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:14.400
translate it correctly into English. But those Stoics wrote so

611
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:19.280
much about the history of their time that we understand

612
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.559
almost everything about what was going on in that timeframe.

613
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.199
We've lost bits and pieces, But you talk Marcus Aurelius,

614
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:30.159
we can probably go through his entire lifetime and understand

615
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:33.159
the wars that he was a part of the history

616
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:38.400
of his family because they were very they wrote a

617
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.039
lot about it. Now the Hebrew people or the Jewish

618
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.960
people did the exact same thing. The problem goes back

619
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.960
to being conquered. A lot of the ancient texts were destroyed. Yeah,

620
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:55.559
you've got the look at the Library of Alexandria right

621
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:00.480
in Egypt that was destroyed, that had anything.

622
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.920
Who knows it? Yeah, who knows? I mean I think

623
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.239
about that sometimes, honestly, when you when when you when

624
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.199
you talk about people being conquered over the years, and

625
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:13.639
how the conqueror would suddenly be like, I don't need

626
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.039
your history or your bullshit. I'm just wiping it out

627
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:18.719
and it's all about me now and my people and

628
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:22.840
it's like you lose so much, so much, you know,

629
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.639
it's it's almost like I can say, I know, I'm

630
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.960
getting away from what we're originally discussed. Was kind of

631
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.719
I kind of believe, I kind of believe in the

632
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.920
fact that, well it's not a fact, but I believe,

633
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.079
my opinion anyway, that civilization over time has probably peaked

634
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.599
and and has has gone the way of being technologically

635
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.880
advanced in different forms and then wiped out and rebuilt

636
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.960
over time, because it seems like almost every year, especially recently,

637
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:50.519
it's it's getting they're uncovering more and more of that, like,

638
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.800
wait a minute, how did this happen? And then as

639
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:55.880
you said, you know, like the Library of Alexandra, you know,

640
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.159
how it was like burn done gone. Who knows what

641
00:36:58.280 --> 00:36:59.800
was there that could have probably explained a lot of

642
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.280
what we're seeing when we're when we're finding these new

643
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:06.960
artifacts and whatnot. I think, I think the abolition of

644
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.199
knowledge is horrible, and that's probably one of the worst

645
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:13.599
things you could do in humanity in my opinion, you know, well,

646
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:17.159
outside of torturing and you know, may mean, you know,

647
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.280
causing holocausts against you know, fellow man, but still that's

648
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.559
one thing that I've always hated and and it really

649
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:26.960
just causes confusion and hatred for no reason, because then

650
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:32.639
we lose understanding and like you said, context.

651
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:37.440
Yeah, and I have gone. Every year I have it,

652
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.559
I get closer to the opinion that you know there

653
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.039
were ancient there's a first of all, there's ancient civilizations

654
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:46.360
that we've never heard of. I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

655
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.800
I'm very much, like you said, a moderate intelligence I'm

656
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.760
an intelligence analyst. I try to figure out what's going on,

657
00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:57.599
but within that, I take information and try to assess

658
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.760
what actually happened or what is going to happen. And

659
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.920
the more I read about history, there are ancient cultures

660
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.840
that we have no idea who they are and what

661
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.480
sort of technologies that they have. And I see how

662
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.320
we're using technology right now, and I could very much

663
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.800
be far off. But I have fun with this. It's

664
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.920
something that really helps my mental health a lot because

665
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.119
I can research into this stuff and I'm not I'm

666
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.800
not married to it, so if I'm wrong, who cares?

667
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.840
It was just fun to research it. But the more

668
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:35.559
technology we get, the closer we get to wanting to

669
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:37.920
go back to those ancient times, and we see it

670
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:41.760
all the time. I'm on X, you're on X, Instagram,

671
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.719
all these things, and every day it's like, why do

672
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.000
I even do this? Don't why don't I pick up

673
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:49.880
a book or a newspaper. Let's go back to newspapers,

674
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.320
let's let's help go back my wife. All the time,

675
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.559
I feel like every year I just keep getting dumber

676
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.039
and dumber. Yeah, I mean I used to be very,

677
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.719
very studious and just reading and just soaking. I mean

678
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:01.360
I was out a point.

679
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.599
I'd be reading a five six hundred page novel whatever,

680
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:07.119
and I'm done in a few hours. And now I

681
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.559
fall asleep if I write to read a book, you.

682
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.360
Know, And there is a huge difference too, because you

683
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.559
could read the same amount of words in a day

684
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.280
through news articles or posts on Instagram and Twitter. But

685
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:25.760
for the most part, a book, a novel, or a

686
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:33.119
historical text is supposed to be completely researched, backed by editors, true,

687
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:36.519
backed by historical documents, and it's not allowed to be

688
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.840
released until every until you're sourced out every single thing.

689
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.239
A post on X is just a post on X,

690
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.639
and it could be four pages long. Now, if you

691
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:47.239
have a blue check Mark. You can write as many

692
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.039
words as you want and it could be the dumbest

693
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.559
thing you've ever read. And the problem is a lot

694
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.679
of times, and it happens to me as well. If

695
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.719
it aligns with your worldview, you're going to keep reading

696
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.679
it and it's gonna infuriate you from time to time

697
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.960
because you're going to go, I knew that that that's

698
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.639
what they were going to be doing. I knew that's

699
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.159
what's going to happen. And this guy, this girl, this

700
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.320
whatever is saying would I say it? I'm not saying

701
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:15.000
whatever in the context in a negative context. I'm just saying,

702
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.559
whoever it is it's posting it that agrees with you.

703
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:20.239
You're going to read everything and you're going to go,

704
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.679
that person's right. Anybody who's in the comment saying they're wrong,

705
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:25.000
those people are wrong.

706
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.639
Well, everybody likes affirmation in their belief They want to

707
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.320
be they want to feel that that that what they

708
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.840
believe is correct, and they want that reinforcement. And the

709
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.119
problem is, now we start creating these echo chambers for

710
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:41.159
ourselves because we feel comfortable in our beliefs. I gotta

711
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:43.639
step back and question myself sometimes, where you know, I

712
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.559
just start doom scrolling. You're just like and after a

713
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.400
while I'm like, wait a minute, what's the other perspective,

714
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.360
what's the other side saying about this? You know, you

715
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.280
got to be able to break yourself free. But it

716
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.360
was it's funny what you said about about that, because,

717
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.199
as you said, you know, books, novels, articles us to

718
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.079
be fact check. You couldn't release them until they were

719
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.719
they were cited. You knew exactly where the information came from.

720
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.960
I came across this. It's been said before, but Jay

721
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.599
Van I think is Babel or Babel PhD. He put

722
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:14.599
a post out there. I want to read it because

723
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.039
this is totally relevant. He's talking about how social media

724
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.199
distorts perceptions of normser point one percent of users share

725
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.280
eighty percent of fake news, yea, which is a tiny

726
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.840
portion of bad actors. You saw that, right, Yeah, and

727
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.239
it has this whole article. I didn't go into the

728
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.199
whole thing yet, but it's it's so true. It's a

729
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:37.280
tiny percent is just viewing all the nonsensical bullshit. And

730
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:40.440
the thing is with social media, like, let me get

731
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.920
back to civilization real quick, because it's going to tie

732
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.920
into what I'm trying to say The point I'm trying

733
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:49.679
to tick across is that I feel for advance as

734
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.159
we are now, I don't think we're as advance as

735
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.679
we've ever been. And I'm not sure if that makes

736
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:58.480
any sense to you. But you know, just because we

737
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.159
have an iPhone doesn't mean we're you know, far in

738
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:04.920
a way from where we could have actually possibly been

739
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:10.239
as a species. Absolutely, And the thing that I see

740
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:13.039
with social media is it's nice. I'm just social media.

741
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.079
Let's just say, just having the World Wide Web at

742
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.960
your fingertips is all about access. But the problem is

743
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:23.360
you can't. It's hard to filter true information versus false information,

744
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.679
or information that might not be completely false but done

745
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.920
in a way to guide you and manipulate you to

746
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:33.639
fall on either side of the aisle, so to speak.

747
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.039
And I think that's a big issue, and it's really

748
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.800
hard to especially these days, it's so hard to decipher

749
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.199
what is right what is wrong. I always say sometimes

750
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.039
on my show, to be quite honest, is you know,

751
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.199
I usually like to give all the facts and say

752
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:48.679
here's where I got it from. But there's times where

753
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:51.440
I'm like, you know, what, do your own research If

754
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.159
you don't believe that what I'm saying is correct, and

755
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.320
prove me wrong. Go find it, you know, because I

756
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.960
think it's important for people to start to be that

757
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.400
type of person where you start to question, go, hold on,

758
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.599
is this guy saying the truth or is he just

759
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.599
speaking out of his ass here? And I think everybody

760
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.079
should start to start to do that, get back to

761
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.159
actually fact checking for themselves and not just believe the

762
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:13.039
first thing you read.

763
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.079
Yeah, and you've got people.

764
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:15.440
You know.

765
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.719
There was a show on ESPN a while back called

766
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:23.880
Numbers Never Lie, And as an intelligence analyst, I can

767
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.480
tell you that that's false. Numbers numbers can lie. You

768
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.199
can manipulate data to make it say what you want

769
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.760
it to say. And I say that listen the So

770
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:35.559
the FBI just came out, So they came out a

771
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:40.159
month or two ago saying that extreme crime was down

772
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:45.199
a certain percent, right, familiar. They just changed that recently

773
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:48.639
in the last week that it's actually up by four

774
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:52.280
point eight percent. So they and the way this all

775
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.320
came about was that I believe it's the Institute of

776
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.679
Criminal Justice Studies had they do their own data, and

777
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.960
they were actually saying that violent crime is on the

778
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:07.679
rise in the United States, has been on the rise

779
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:11.599
since twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, it increased year

780
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:13.960
over or twenty twenty three, it increased year over year

781
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.719
from twenty twenty four and twenty twenty four. Is on

782
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.800
the same trajectory. And then the FBI released and said no, actually,

783
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.599
it's it's going down. And they both used different types

784
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.119
of They use the same data, but they also use

785
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.440
different pieces of data that they can collect. There's a

786
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:34.239
lot of pushback to the FBI saying, you're saying it's down.

787
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:38.440
I'm witnessing with my own eyes certain things that kind

788
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.559
of tell me that it's up. So you know what,

789
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.519
say you? And so now with all that pushback to

790
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:48.880
the FBI tried to quietly push out, no, you know

791
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:52.639
it really is. We read, we redid the data, and

792
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:56.559
it the numbers are actually up by four point eight percent. So, yes,

793
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.760
data can lie as long as you can manipulate it

794
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:00.519
in a certain way.

795
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.400
Well, was that manipulation or suppression of information from the

796
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:03.719
get go?

797
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:06.920
Well, so the FBI would tell you they didn't have

798
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:11.719
all the data that they needed in order make the assessment,

799
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.760
and I tell that to people when I'm doing my assessment.

800
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.360
So if somebody asked me, can you do an intelligence

801
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.239
product and assess a certain thing.

802
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:21.599
I've done for.

803
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:28.079
Cross border with Ukrainian people, getting them to safety. I've

804
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:32.119
put out some products for nonprofits to help them move

805
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.800
out there. And at the end it will always say

806
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.960
all this is all the data that I have, and

807
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.880
new data may change my assessment, and that's part of

808
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:47.960
the intelligence cycle. The last part is it used to

809
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:54.440
be just called dissemination, but it's always dissemination and reevaluate.

810
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.280
So give it to the customer, but continue to evaluate

811
00:45:58.480 --> 00:45:59.159
what's going on.

812
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:03.119
Okay, So not disagreeing with you because this is what

813
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.519
you do, so I can't. I mean, you're at the experts,

814
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:10.000
not me in this, but I agree in the state

815
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.840
in that in that statement, and you know, hey, this

816
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.840
is based on basically you're saying, this is based on

817
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:17.599
the information at hand, which is the only way that

818
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.960
you can can give information making assessment on what's going

819
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.199
on your your your conclusion is only as good as

820
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.639
the info that you have understood. But are we to

821
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.880
believe the FBI really didn't have the information?

822
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:34.800
No, I mean they did an organization.

823
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.239
Maybe they didn't have it, they had access, they have

824
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.719
access to it. It's the FBI, it's the Federal Bureau

825
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:43.440
of an Investigation. If they tell a police force that

826
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.719
they need the data, the police force is going to

827
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.360
give them the data. I didn't work in the FBI

828
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:51.840
or on the police force, so I don't know sort

829
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:53.519
of the doctrine that.

830
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.199
Or how that works, how they interact.

831
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.719
Yeah, so there could be, like I said, I don't

832
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.679
know this, so I'm just going to say this as

833
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:08.360
a blanket statement. They there could be requirements that if

834
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.360
the FBI reaches out, the police force has to give

835
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.880
up that information, so that that would then mean the

836
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:19.360
FBI didn't go out searching for that stuff, and their

837
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.360
blanket statement would be, well, we just didn't have access

838
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.559
to it. You have access to everything. You're you're the FBI.

839
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.719
It's like the CIA saying we didn't have access to

840
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.920
the intelligence. Yeah you did, right, you're read on everything

841
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:32.840
you have need to know.

842
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:34.960
Yeah, what don't they know?

843
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.000
Right, that's what we're trying to figure out.

844
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:42.960
Right, Well let's let's uh, we kind of went went

845
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.440
veered off. Yeah, but that's fine. You know, I I'll

846
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.760
sometimes I'll do that because I have my mind. Just

847
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:50.400
my wife will tell you she thinks I have add

848
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.239
but it just never stops, and I'll say, hey, wait

849
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:52.599
a minute.

850
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.480
You know, so I think there should be a study.

851
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.000
I think our whole generation, uh we just go we

852
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.599
have ADHD. It's like there's probably a reason for that.

853
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.039
Oh on how we were brought up.

854
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.159
Now we're gonna get go down a different roads if

855
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.280
we keep talking about that, and then I'll just start going

856
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.519
into the food. But anyway, well, I was going to

857
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:16.199
try to get back to Israel. So here's my question,

858
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.280
because you helped establish the history and you gave us

859
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.559
a lot based on your knowledge and your experience from

860
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.159
the area in which you did in the military and

861
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:29.639
and intelligence and analyzing all that data. But fast forward,

862
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:33.079
I believe Israel had a right to respond. Any country

863
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:37.320
should respond the way they were attacked on that October seventh, okay,

864
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.480
last year twenty three. So do you think at this

865
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.880
time though, are they going too far or are they

866
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.639
not going far enough? Or what does your opinion on it?

867
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.039
I mean, at some point when do you have to say,

868
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.880
you know what you kind of you kind of proved

869
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.039
your point, or is it correct for them to believe

870
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:03.800
in the total destruct and extermination of not the Palestine

871
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.679
is by the I don't think that's their end game here. Obviously,

872
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:08.960
they want to get rid of Hamas has blow any

873
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:12.920
anyone they consider a terrorist to their state. So do

874
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:14.599
you think they're going too far? Or do you think

875
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.519
they're approaching this rationally as any other nation would.

876
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:21.679
I So, all right, this is my opinion. Okay, I

877
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:23.599
just want to I do that on the podcast as well.

878
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:25.719
When I'm going to give my opinion on something, I

879
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.920
want to state it. And that's a point where if

880
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.119
you as an individual listening, can hear my opinion and

881
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.199
then you can go research the facts and form your

882
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:41.039
own opinion off of that. I will say, so, this

883
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:46.480
is what Israel did immediately after October seventh is and

884
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.480
I'm going to say this. I'm not a supporter of

885
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:50.800
Russia and what they did in Ukraine, but from a

886
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:55.559
military standpoint, they did what Russia should have done if

887
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.559
they really wanted to take Ukraine, which is what I

888
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.000
what the US is called with the US did in

889
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.360
Iraq and Afghanistan, which is shock and awe, Okay, you

890
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.320
do shock and all. That's what Israel did. The problem

891
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.679
that I have is that they're still doing it they're

892
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.360
still taking and they go, well, we can't go in

893
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.320
because of the tunnels. And I understand that. You it's

894
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.320
a tough decision for a commander on the ground to

895
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:20.679
make to tell his forces you're going to go in

896
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:24.239
this tunnel. There could be twenty Hamas fighters in there,

897
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.760
and those Hammas fighters have the advantage because they know

898
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.639
you're coming, they can hear you. You don't know where

899
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:31.760
they're at, where they're at, and they know exactly where

900
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:36.119
you're at. So you're sending those troops to die, so

901
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.480
they couldn't do that. You can do a ground war

902
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.840
in Gaza, I believe. Like I said, it's my opinion,

903
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:48.920
once the shock and all was over with, you can

904
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.440
send troops into Gaza and go just like the US

905
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:56.960
military did, door to door, house to house and root

906
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:02.000
out those individuals. Now, the problem that the US military

907
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.880
had was, if you remember, George W. Bush went on

908
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:11.079
the aircraft carrier and put mission accomplished back in two

909
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.480
thousand and five or two thousand and.

910
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:14.280
Six, I believe.

911
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.679
I believe so in Iraq you said mission accomplished, and

912
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:19.400
he got a lot of flak for that. It was

913
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:21.599
two thousand and five because there was an election prop

914
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:23.880
the election process was going on, and he got a

915
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:26.000
lot of flak for that. The truth of the matter

916
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:29.760
is it was true. Mission was accomplished. We got Saddam usin.

917
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.719
We crippled the entire Saddam government. Had the US left

918
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.039
and told Iraq, hey, this is now yours, you do

919
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.400
with it what you want, we'd probably still be in

920
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:44.119
the same situation we are now, but we would have

921
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.599
lost a lot less US troops. What happened was we said,

922
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.719
the international communities going to call us bullies and they're

923
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.400
going to hate us if we don't do peacekeeping in

924
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:56.079
this region.

925
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.159
So with that, do you think the US felt all

926
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.039
it was like obligatory for them to stay there.

927
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:08.280
Absolutely, And then you know that's the al Qaeda uprising

928
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:14.159
started and a lot of Iranian proxies popped up in

929
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.440
Iraq just based on the fact that US troops were

930
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.639
staying there, and so the people of Iraq very disillusion

931
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:26.039
to US troops as the war went on because of

932
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.400
things that I've mentioned before, walking while Arab and having

933
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:32.880
certain people in US military uniforms. Look, the Abu Gharab

934
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:38.800
prison pictures came out showing that we put in US

935
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.079
interrogators put Iraqis that were in prison on top of

936
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.880
each other and stripped them of their clothes and took

937
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.519
pictures with them and did all of these despicable things.

938
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.239
All of that would never have happened. We would have

939
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.199
just left and said, this is now your country. You

940
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:57.880
formed the government do whatever. What we wanted to do

941
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:02.760
was force them to start a government that's pro us

942
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:08.280
so that we can influence Middle East operations, that's oil,

943
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.239
that's you know, other services and goods.

944
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.800
Tried that time and time again, and it never and

945
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:18.079
it failed, never works because that just because like you said,

946
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.840
Western view versus you know, Eastern view.

947
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:26.440
Now, Israel is more attuned to Middle Eastern society, right,

948
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:31.000
so they understand this. But to just keep it is

949
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:34.960
it is targeted, right, the destruction of buildings because a

950
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.800
terrorist is inside of it, that's targeted. But there are

951
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.679
also families in there. Well, those families are dying, and

952
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.239
you're creating new terrorists. Every time that happened.

953
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.800
Absolutely, every time someone's father or brother dies, you know,

954
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.639
another one will uprise, uprises or rises up to take

955
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.639
their place. And I hear what you're saying. You know,

956
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:59.199
I personally think enough enough, enough is enough. But I

957
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.039
know I'm so sometimes I'm fumbling.

958
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:03.000
Well, it's been a lot where I want to I've

959
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:06.679
been thinking about this in like a football analogy, like

960
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:07.679
American football.

961
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:08.400
You know.

962
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:11.480
So I'm a Saints fan. That's not good this year, but.

963
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.360
I've watched Actually I'm liking what the Saints have been doing.

964
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:20.079
I've been supporting them, you know. Ever good, So yeah,

965
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.119
we're definitely watching them as one of our teams this year,

966
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:23.679
for sure. Good deal.

967
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.760
I just I know, I've sat down so many times

968
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.719
and watched a game and seeing a team be up

969
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:36.000
forty to fourteen in the by halftime, right, and that's

970
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:40.360
the arbitrary number or whatever, And then I go check

971
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.119
the score at the end and it was forty two

972
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:45.280
to forty, and you go, what happened? It was like, well,

973
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.320
they had their foot on the throat and they took

974
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:51.880
it off and they decided to let the other team

975
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.159
come back. Now that analogy does not speak anything to

976
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.679
the humanitarian crisis or anything like that. It might be

977
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:03.400
sort of a dumb down analogy. But what I'm trying

978
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:06.599
to get to here is Israel can take their foot

979
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:11.360
off the throat of Hamas. Hamas is going to re establish, reorganize,

980
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:15.639
and get bigger. That's what Israel thinks. So that's where

981
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:17.239
it comes into you have to annihilate.

982
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.920
I can't blame that way of thinking, though. I mean, realistically,

983
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:25.480
I think that Israel has gotten to the point with

984
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:28.440
all of this that they're like, you know what, screw this,

985
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.760
we this time, let's just really end it. And that's

986
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.320
they're trying to do. People don't like it because it's

987
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.400
messy and it's warning. It is what it is. Unfortunately,

988
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.920
you know, innocence die. But Israel also approached it very

989
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.719
messy from the get go by just targeting towns, villages

990
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:47.679
and cities and saying, oh, well, you know their tunnel

991
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:50.239
underneath and we couldn't decipher who was who, which, to

992
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.920
be honest, was bullshit, you know, and they made it

993
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.719
very evident when they were able to suddenly blow people's

994
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.360
pagers up, Well, that seems pretty precise and you know

995
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.960
to me. And and so now after that, I think

996
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.840
that there they've been better at targeting exactly who they

997
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:13.119
want to go after. But you know, how do you

998
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.719
how do you explain them, you know, going ahead and

999
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:21.239
just telling you know, NATO memory, and I know they're

1000
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:22.960
not a NATO nation, but you know members of NATO

1001
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.519
who are also allies of the US like, hey, screw you,

1002
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:26.760
I don't care what you say. We don't need you.

1003
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:30.199
We're gonna do what we want. They blew up that

1004
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.000
French gas company, well company, I believe, whatever it was,

1005
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:39.320
and France didn't respond, you know, not militarily anyway, They

1006
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:40.760
were stern to say, hey, we're no longer going to

1007
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.079
support you, and then Israel just raises their middle fingers like, well,

1008
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.320
we don't need you. At what point is Israel not

1009
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.960
going like they're not realizing I'm not saying they don't

1010
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:52.880
have a right to what they're doing because we went

1011
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:56.239
after bin Laden, we didn't care. We went after everybody

1012
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:58.360
we wanted to go after, and that's what Israel's doing.

1013
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:01.760
But at what point does Israel or net net to

1014
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.719
Yahoo not take a step back and go while we

1015
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:07.760
are doing what we have to do, what are the

1016
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:11.920
consequences of this with everybody else in the world. All

1017
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.119
it takes us for them to do the wrong thing

1018
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:19.119
and get one of the NATO members involved because they

1019
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.440
have to, and then we're in a very messy situation

1020
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:24.440
with Article five, right.

1021
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.880
And yeah, if so, what's your host five?

1022
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.159
Like you mentioned, is is the NATO article that says,

1023
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:34.159
if one NATO nation is attacked, all NATO nations have

1024
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.079
been attacked and they have to come to the defense

1025
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.079
of that one NATO nation. Article five has only been

1026
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:43.960
invoked once, and that is after nine to eleven. So

1027
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:48.840
the United States was attacked for nine to eleven, all

1028
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.679
the NATO nations came together. The Iraq War was not

1029
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:55.079
a NATO war. We had NATO nations that did not

1030
00:57:55.320 --> 00:58:00.280
decide to go with us on that. But here's what

1031
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.079
I'll say, Yeah, so sorry. Here Here's what I'll say

1032
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:11.000
about the Israel conundrum is that at some point, and

1033
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:13.199
you asked, and I don't know if I said definitive

1034
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:17.000
you you asked if I thought they've gone too far definitively.

1035
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.039
What I will say is, at points they have gone

1036
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:25.599
too far. In my opinion, the nations that are supplying

1037
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.280
goods and services militarily to Israel, the United States being

1038
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.400
the key one there, is going to have to decide

1039
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:38.639
when enough is enough, because right now they are it's hey,

1040
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:41.639
don't do this, Israel. Just like you said, Nan Yaho, says,

1041
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:43.719
screw you, I'm going to do it anyway. They do it,

1042
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.000
and the US just goes, well, don't do it again,

1043
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.679
and then don't do it again. And so when I

1044
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.400
when I was a human intelligence analyst out in Iraq,

1045
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:56.840
I had another analyst. This was years ago, and I'm

1046
00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.159
still study I still studying Israel at that time, and

1047
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.159
he was educating me on some things. And you know,

1048
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.079
Israel in the United States, Israel's like that friend at

1049
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.039
the bar you always go to the bar with that

1050
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.599
gets too drunk and then starts a fight, and then

1051
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:11.760
you have to get into the fight.

1052
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:13.440
And you keep going to.

1053
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.800
The bar because you like the guy and you guys

1054
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.480
have a great time, but sometimes he takes it too

1055
00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:21.119
far and then you have to get involved. And at

1056
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.400
some point you have to tell that guy either you're

1057
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:27.280
gonna stop doing that or I'm not going to be

1058
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:31.360
associating with you anymore. And so we're close. I don't

1059
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:33.800
think we're at that level. We are very close to

1060
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:37.400
that level. The response that Israel is going to take

1061
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.639
on Iran is going to say a lot about future

1062
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:42.599
dialogue with the United States.

1063
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:46.000
Yeah, I look, Spain's already announced they're cutting him off

1064
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.480
France cutting him off in terms of support for all

1065
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:52.159
of this. What I see is, I think this is

1066
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.920
an opinion, but I think most people from NOLASA looking

1067
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.760
and can probably agree with this assessment that Israel does

1068
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.800
what they do because they know the US is behind them.

1069
01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:03.400
Yeah.

1070
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:06.960
I believe that I do, and we have a long history.

1071
01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:10.199
We'll get off this topic soon because I wanted to

1072
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:12.679
go into you know, your neck of the woods of

1073
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:14.360
Witch you specialized, and I think it was like Russian.

1074
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:16.000
I've got a few more minutes.

1075
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:21.199
Okay, We'll move out out of this pretty soon. But anyway, Yeah,

1076
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.199
I think they just they just do do what they

1077
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:26.719
do because of because we're behind them. And then if

1078
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:29.199
you look at the history of what they have done

1079
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:33.079
over the years, all over the years, they have been

1080
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:35.480
told to calm down, and more than one one occasion

1081
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:39.000
throughout the years because of how they've approached certain situations

1082
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:41.880
and gone after other nations. So they do have a

1083
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:44.840
history or a pattern of doing this. Now we can

1084
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:49.239
argue whether all of that was justified. But still I

1085
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:52.480
don't know. There's I just hope all this ends soon,

1086
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:55.719
you know, and and it ends in a way that

1087
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:59.840
doesn't drag everybody into a world war. And then with that,

1088
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:01.679
I I kind of want to move. Let's quickly go

1089
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:05.159
over a few other things. So just got just came

1090
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.639
out and I think you saw this. What do you

1091
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:10.440
think about North Korea sending troops over now? Oh yeah,

1092
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:11.159
in the world.

1093
01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:15.519
Over about twelve thousand North Korean troops going out to

1094
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:21.159
Ukraine to fight. So, first of all, for a big picture,

1095
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:25.239
is now you're seeing what we would consider in World

1096
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:29.760
War two the Axis Alliance, which is and Iran has

1097
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.920
called their own group the Axis of Resistance. I think

1098
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.199
that's going to be coined for this entire axis, which

1099
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:41.199
is Russia, China, North Korea, Iran. So those groups are

1100
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:44.599
coming closer, and now you've got twelve thousand to thirteen thousand.

1101
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:48.159
I've seen some say as much as seventeen thousand North

1102
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:52.239
Koreans moving to Russia because they need more fodder. And

1103
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.800
it's very interesting that all those troops are going to

1104
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.559
the Curse Region. And if you haven't been following that

1105
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:01.320
war recently, the Curse Region is where Ukraine successfully did

1106
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:04.760
a counter offensive and took over Russian land in Kursk

1107
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:09.559
to push back those Russian munitions. So they can't hit

1108
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:15.079
places like Kievan Leviv areas within Ukraine. So Russia is

1109
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.159
not only conscripting these North Koreans, they are going to

1110
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:24.199
one of the bigger hotbeds where Russia wants to show

1111
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.000
force and push back Ukrainians back across the border. So

1112
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:29.159
that's very interesting.

1113
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:33.519
Do you think this is something that may pull China

1114
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:34.519
into the fold on this.

1115
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:38.079
I think China's going to be So. China's got their

1116
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:40.400
own thing that they want to do with Taiwan, and

1117
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:43.360
I think they're going to stay out publicly, out of

1118
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:47.559
everything until they can do that. Now, China's got an

1119
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.440
issue with manpower. You know, we see China. They've got

1120
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.719
millions to throw at this war. They've got to do

1121
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:57.559
it very quickly. When I say very quickly, within the

1122
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.880
next five years, because a lot of them in the

1123
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:06.360
men's male service members in China are aging out of

1124
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:07.199
being able to fight.

1125
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:08.320
They are, so.

1126
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:10.960
They're not going to send I absolutely do not think

1127
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.239
I have it as unlikely that China is going to

1128
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:16.960
send p l A into Russia to help that battle.

1129
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.679
What they're going to hope so they're gonna they they're

1130
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:27.119
helping monetarily, They're helping with you know, certain missile defenses,

1131
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:31.119
things of that nature, militarily on the through back channels.

1132
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.039
They won't publicly state that they're doing this, but they are.

1133
01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.440
I think that's where it's going to stay. The country

1134
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.519
I'm looking at getting heavily involved as Belarus.

1135
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:41.960
Uh.

1136
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:46.159
And the problem with Belarus is it's right there with Poland,

1137
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:51.440
and there could come a time where Russia says, screw it,

1138
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:55.039
we're going full on Belarus. You've got the nukes. So

1139
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.639
Russia last summer sent nuclear weapons believe it was last summer.

1140
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:02.639
Timeline could be all off, but the Russia is nuclear

1141
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:06.039
weapons to Belarus to store them along the border there,

1142
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:10.360
and so now Belarus has it. There could come a

1143
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:16.599
time in the near future where Putin says to Lukashenko

1144
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:20.159
and Belarus, hey, all bets are off.

1145
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:21.480
Go into Poland.

1146
01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:24.599
We're going through Ukraine and we're going to get into

1147
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:28.800
Poland and we're going to war with NATO because we're

1148
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.320
at odds and this is this is going to be

1149
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.960
a full war. So Belarus could be very important. Lukashenko

1150
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:39.159
was put in place by Russia, so he has certain

1151
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:43.480
obligations to the Russian state and the Russian military that

1152
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.440
he is going to have to accept once Putin says

1153
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:49.960
Belarussian forces, even if it's just put them in Ukraine,

1154
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:50.920
that's going to happen.

1155
01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:57.239
What a mess, man, it is, it really is. I

1156
01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:59.000
know you're going to have to go here soon, so

1157
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:01.719
I'm gonna I'm just gonna quickly go over a few

1158
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.480
other things. So let's let's go back to the USA itself,

1159
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:05.400
I mean.

1160
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:07.800
And always if you want me back on, we can

1161
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:10.119
spend some more time. When I have more time, you

1162
01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:10.639
gotta go there.

1163
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:17.280
Let's let's really quickly election opinion. What do you think?

1164
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:19.480
And how's that going to go? And then I would

1165
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:21.800
like you to talk more about your podcast, so everybody

1166
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:24.800
knows you know where to find that and listen to

1167
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.800
you and your wife and you know, go over all

1168
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.079
that as well. So let's start with your opinion. What's

1169
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:29.639
going on with the election?

1170
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:34.360
Yeah, look, so I've said it. I was recently on

1171
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.079
a podcast with some people that I say are very

1172
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:40.519
good friends of mine. It is called Songs and Stories.

1173
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:43.280
It's by the band Emery. I was on there and

1174
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.519
I talked heavily about the election. I don't give I'm

1175
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:47.960
not going to give who I'm going to vote for,

1176
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:52.920
but I will give how I'm assessing things are going

1177
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:56.719
to go. And so right now everything flows through Pennsylvania.

1178
01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:02.119
You can run twenty twenty thousand simulations. The person who

1179
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:05.320
wins Pennsylvania wins the presidential election. We all know that

1180
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:08.880
we can agree with. That's evident. That's why Trump and

1181
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:14.039
Harris both have been going into to Pennsylvania recently. What's

1182
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:16.320
been happening that's been interesting to me is Michigan and

1183
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:21.280
Wisconsin have sort of turned over to Trump. Something has

1184
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:25.119
happened within Michigan and Wisconsin that has made them more

1185
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:29.199
palatable to Trump. And if he can win Wisconsin and Michigan,

1186
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:32.960
he doesn't need Pennsylvania. I didn't see that coming a

1187
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.760
couple of months ago. That's another key one to go on.

1188
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:41.079
So depending on who you trust the polsters. The polsters

1189
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:45.599
still have Kamala Harris winning at least the national vote

1190
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.679
by one point eight percent. They still have her favored

1191
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:54.039
in Pennsylvania and a couple of other states, including Nevada,

1192
01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:56.599
which I think is trending more towards Trump. So do

1193
01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.440
you trust the pollsters or do you trust Vegas? Meaning

1194
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.239
people are putting bets on the election, and Vegas doesn't lose.

1195
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.519
I think I think I at this point, I don't

1196
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:08.559
trust the polls. I'm I think I'm leaning more towards

1197
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:11.000
how Vegas is going to be, Yeah, judging how this

1198
01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:13.440
is going to go. Yeah, Well, we'll see how this

1199
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:17.960
all unfolds. Well, let's let's talk about your uh, your

1200
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:20.920
podcast really quick before you have to head off, and

1201
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.119
then you know, whatever else you want people to know

1202
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.119
about you, and we'll get you out of it.

1203
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.960
One more thing on the election. Yeah, and now I'm

1204
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.239
extending my time a little bit, but yeah, so one thing,

1205
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:34.320
one more thing on the election. My hope is that

1206
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:38.119
it's not a hotly contested election either way. Whoever wins,

1207
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:41.159
it probably will be because Pennsylvania is one of those

1208
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.800
states that can't assess the election right after the polls

1209
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:48.199
are done, so it's going to go through the night.

1210
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:53.159
But I hope someone wins with more so than the

1211
01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:56.880
last election or the one before that, because that's what

1212
01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:59.719
China wants. Honestly, that's what they've been trying to do,

1213
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:03.039
is hotly contested election that no one approves of, and

1214
01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:05.960
we have a civil war in this country. So that's

1215
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:08.440
my hope. So I said, I don't care, like I'm

1216
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.599
not going to support one candidate or another, but my

1217
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:13.320
hope is somebody wins by a lot.

1218
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:16.000
I'll just try. I believe what that post was that

1219
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:20.239
came out about the UK Labor Party sending one hundred

1220
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:25.119
people over here to campaign for Harris. But anyway, Yeah,

1221
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:27.680
let's let's go over your podcast here and what you

1222
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.640
offer and you're scheduling and when that comes out and

1223
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:32.359
how that came together.

1224
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:36.319
Yeah, so the podcast is this week explain it's a

1225
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:41.079
geopolitical intelligence podcast, just based off of my history, my

1226
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:44.840
experience as an intelligence analyst. And you set it up

1227
01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:47.439
perfectly at the beginning. We try to break down these

1228
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:50.640
big events and we don't get technical, we don't get

1229
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:54.000
bogged down. And so that's if you know anything about

1230
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.720
intelligence analysis. The reports have to be concise and they

1231
01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:00.199
have to be easy to understand. I say for a

1232
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:04.399
fifth grader. Usually we'll usually say a two star general

1233
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.479
needs to understand it. That's a fifth grade education level.

1234
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.720
Sometimes on these big picture things, that's just a dig

1235
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:15.760
at the at the officer corps. But that's what we're

1236
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:19.239
really trying to do, is everybody's talking about these these

1237
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:22.039
big picture things in a very technical sense, and so

1238
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:25.279
no one really understands it except for the people who

1239
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:29.079
are in these certain technical things. So you talk about tanks,

1240
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:31.760
people who understand tanks, they're gonna be able to speak

1241
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:37.319
very fluently about it. But not everybody understands that, and

1242
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:41.199
every I think everyone needs to understand these big geopolitical events,

1243
01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:43.680
so we try to break it down. And I was

1244
01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:46.479
gonna do it by myself when this all started and

1245
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:48.800
I started, I did what everybody tells. You want to

1246
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:51.239
start a podcast, you start recording. So I hit record

1247
01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:55.720
and I started talking Ben Shapiro type of kind of

1248
01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:58.119
thing where it's just me and I'm just talking and

1249
01:09:58.159 --> 01:09:59.840
you can say whatever you want about that guy, but

1250
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.000
he's got to be brilliant to be able to talk

1251
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.000
for an hour and a half by himself.

1252
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:05.159
I could not do that.

1253
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:09.720
So I said, man, I can't do this, but I

1254
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:12.680
think it's important. I think what I'm doing is very

1255
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:15.159
important and people want to hear it. So I went

1256
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:16.880
to my wife and I was like, I really need

1257
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:19.720
to somebody else, and I don't have any like I

1258
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:22.079
have friends and stuff, but that would kind of get

1259
01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:26.079
bogged down into stories about our past and kind of

1260
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:29.479
goofing off and things like that. And I was like, Tinna,

1261
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.079
you know, we we have these conversations all the time,

1262
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:34.319
Like we sit at the dinner at the dining room

1263
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:36.880
table or in our bed and we just talk about

1264
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:39.359
this stuff and we bounce things off of each other

1265
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:42.159
and we go to one side and the other. Let's

1266
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:45.520
do that as a podcast, and we set up and

1267
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.319
we hit record. And I won't say those early episodes

1268
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:54.119
were the greatest, but it's set the foundation for it

1269
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:57.920
where we could sit and it's become a part of

1270
01:10:57.960 --> 01:11:01.560
our relationship and our marriage where Thursday nights we sit

1271
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:04.359
down and we have a conversation and that's the podcast

1272
01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:07.239
and then Fridays it gets released.

1273
01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:09.720
I like that you too can come together and have

1274
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:13.479
these conversations about politics and you know, major events are

1275
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.960
going on in the world. Not too many couples can

1276
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.199
actually do that, to be honest.

1277
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:21.199
And we get bogged down sometimes, especially Israel Israel Hamas

1278
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:24.920
Israel has blog. I mean, this episode was his real

1279
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:26.880
So yeah, it's a tough one.

1280
01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:30.239
A lot going on out there, and how how do

1281
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:31.800
people find you outside of that? I mean, I know

1282
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:33.920
your podcast is built everywhere. I've heard a few times

1283
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:34.880
already myself.

1284
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:37.000
I like it. I appreciate that.

1285
01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:40.039
And then anything else in terms of socials, websites, anything

1286
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:40.319
like that.

1287
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.800
Yeah, So our our Instagram at Open Analytics, we post.

1288
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:47.840
So if you listen to the podcast, if you're on

1289
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:50.000
that Instagram account, you'll see a lot of the posts

1290
01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:53.399
leading up to it, just talking about big events that happen.

1291
01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:58.159
So the way we do it is put out the event,

1292
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:00.800
have a headline, kind of give you a basis on

1293
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:04.439
it as a screenshot there, and then within the caption

1294
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.279
I will have an assessment. I think that's very important.

1295
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:10.039
Don't just put out what's going on, like you know,

1296
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:14.920
Israel bombed this area, killed twenty civilians. We want the assessment,

1297
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.199
why did they do? What are the secondary and tertiary

1298
01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:20.600
repercussions of that? And that's what we're trying to do

1299
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:25.199
on Instagram, you know, X and Facebook could find this

1300
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:29.840
everywhere on the socials except for TikTok, just because through

1301
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:33.199
my experience, I don't I don't trust TikTok at.

1302
01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:35.560
All and I don't do it either.

1303
01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.399
That probably gets a lot of people to not see

1304
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.279
what we're doing. But I'm going to sleep well at

1305
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.680
night knowing that I am not a part of that album.

1306
01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:47.119
What I can tell people are finding you, and uh,

1307
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:50.640
I think from what I can see, you're growing and growing.

1308
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:54.039
So whatever you're doing, you're doing it right, you know,

1309
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:56.159
and you're presenting you're presenting the info in a way

1310
01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:00.800
that you know that everyone could consume. Like on my show. Yeah,

1311
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:03.439
I'm sure it can get one sided, and I have

1312
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:06.239
a certain audience. I get it. But at the same time,

1313
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:09.920
you know, we need we need people like you who

1314
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:14.359
can just stay correct me, correct others. They go, Nope,

1315
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:16.600
this is where it's at and this is the facts,

1316
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.159
and that's an important thing. So anyway, I appreciate you,

1317
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:20.760
and yes, I would like to have you back if

1318
01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:23.159
you ever have the time. I know you're super busy.

1319
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:25.319
So with that being said, hey, let's get you ad

1320
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:26.479
here so we could do what you got to do,

1321
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:29.680
and next time, hopefully we can spend more time together

1322
01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:31.359
and have a longer conversation.

1323
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:33.600
Yeah, let's go for two to three hours, right, once

1324
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:36.760
I have some time, I think I think there's enough

1325
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:38.159
in the world that you and I could have a

1326
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:41.960
conversation for three hours and it would feel like two minutes.

1327
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:44.920
Oh yeah, and I love learning. So you know, you

1328
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:46.479
have a bunch of knowledge that I don't, and so

1329
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:49.880
I'm yeah, very happy to ask questions and get get educated.

1330
01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:51.159
Same here.

1331
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:53.680
I love bouncing ideas off of smart people like yourself.

1332
01:13:54.159 --> 01:14:01.439
That's debatable. Thank you. Have a good night there, Ran. Yeah,

1333
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:02.800
let's definitely stay in touch off of this.

1334
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:04.640
Okay, thank you so much for having me. As I

1335
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.239
always say, stay safe out.

1336
01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:14.359
There days your content, you feel attention, devils high, if

1337
01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:15.760
be high, redemption

1338
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:18.680
Hug stands on my get